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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/risteen-heritage-fredericton-1.4993884

Fate of 1820s stone building in Fredericton causes worry

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David R. Amos

Cheer up Carl the Fat Lady ain't sung yet

Shawn McShane

Developers are learning that heritage buildings can be money-makers. 80 per cent of millennials “would rather spend money at businesses supporting efforts to preserve and protect buildings, architecture and neighbourhoods over those that don’t. They also choose to shop and eat in “historic downtowns . . . and places with historic appeal . . . over malls and planned commercial districts or recently constructed places.”

David R. Amos

@Shawn McShane Methinks everybody knows why that I would not bet the farm on your opinions N'esy Pas?

Shawn McShane

@David R. Amos Not my opinion. A U.S. study commissioned by the National Trust for Historic Preservation, Edge Research and the American Express Foundation.

David R. Amos

@Shawn McShane Methinks you know what I think of Yankee opinions However I bet you didn't know that my wife was one of the top travel agents working American Express years ago N'esy Pas?

Johnny Horton

That’s Gabriel’s style. No respect for his tenants, or history,

He has a bad habit of letting leases expiring and then telling you to get out, a kids any calls or visits to his office she discuss your lease.

Johnny Horton

@Johnny Horton

** avoids (not a kids)

David R. Amos

@Johnny Horton Too Funny

Ken Stephens

If someone owns a property and wants to tear down a very old building like this it's his decision to make, not ours. Perhaps these people who are upset by this can all chip in and buy it from him. The way these things work is that something is there for a while but eventually becomes too old and it gets replaced, and we end up with more value out of the deal as well.

Johnny Horton

@Ken Stephens

Yep value. That’s all that matters. Gotta Aximize that tax base!

yep money, that’s all that matters. Gotta own every property!

David R. Amos

@Ken Stephens Yea Right

Marcus Kingston

@Ken Stephens - It's clear that some people in Fredericton seem to care very little about the built heritage that surrounds us, and makes our city unique. However, there are equally those who do care. The issue shouldn't always come down to how much tax revenue can be gained from a new building. We have a moral obligation to retain certain structures for the enjoyment of future generations. I'm not against all new builds, it can be a part of growing a strong and vibrant city I agree. So too is maintaining what's already here. Perhaps we should tear down Christ Church Cathedral and put the new Starbucks there instead of in Kings Place? It could draw more people to that area of the city.

Respectfully

MK

David R. Amos

@Marcus Kingston Hmmm

Mack Leigh

One thing I greatly admire about many European countries, Great Britain and New England, USA is that they preserve their historical buildings, statues, trees, etc. ..... Way to quick now to tear down, cut down or remove important pieces of our history.... Hopefully they will be able to save this landmark..

Johnny Horton

@Mack Leigh

Gabriel is buying up and taking all the land in the area. Not much chance he’ll save it, or sell it t a preservation group.

David R. Amos

@Johnny Horton So you say

Mack Leigh

We have become a ...throw a way ..... society ....... No thought to the preservation of anything..

David R. Amos

@Mack Leigh YUP

Alex Butt

@Mack Leigh Yes we have become a disposable society, but we have to face facts that New Brunswick is broke and unfortunately there are bigger issues that require funding!

Mack Leigh

@Alex Butt

There are ways to preserve our historical buildings and turn them into money makers.... Erasing our historical buildings is a sad statement as to what society has become and the direction it is headed..

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David R. Amos

@Mack Leigh YUP

Shawn McShane

@Alex Butt Historical places bring in tourists and locals. To be honest I am sick of beautiful old buildings full of character being torn down and replaced with cheap looking construction with a 40 yr life. Why not turn the building into apartments? Sell them. Sell a piece of history.

Louie Youssef

@Mack Leigh What's sad about it? It's sad to move forward? I don't think anyone who puts up a building thinks it will be around forever.

Shawn McShane

@Louie Youssef Obviously the Pharisees did, those pyramids are still around.

Jim Cyr

@Louie Youssef But Mack's point is valid: we absolutely have become a throwaway society. In fact, the expectation now for any building put up by a government entity is that it will last 40 years. (It's right in the specs/contracts). 40 years!! That number used to be at least 75 years when I was a kid.

David R. Amos

@Shawn McShane Methinks you meant the Pharaohs N'esy Pas?

Shawn McShane

@David R. Amos Lols Yes Pharaohs

Alex Butt

@Shawn McShane I agree but we have to face the fact that NB is broke, and not that many people travel to Fredericton to see the old buildings. Unless someone with lots of cash is willing to buy it, then we shouldn't complain that someone wants the land to build something and make money.

David R. Amos

@Alex Butt Methinks you are a bit redundant N'esy Pas?

Alex Butt

I love the heritage idea, and everyone is all for keeping such buildings, yet no one is willing to face the hard facts that it will cost lots of money and very few are willing to put their money where their mouth is. Perfect example was the Fredericton train station. Everyone cried to keep the falling apart eye sore, and who ended up paying for it? The tax payers did. Time to wake up and realize that NB is broke and falling apart and need to set real priorities!

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David R. Amos

@Alex Butt "Time to wake up and realize that NB is broke and falling apart"

Methinks we got the governments we deserve because we overslept N'esy Pas?

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David R. Amos

@Alex Butt Oh My My Methinks you should ask yourself why my reply to you was blocked N'esy Pas?

David R. Amos

@Alex Butt "Perfect example was the Fredericton train station. Everyone cried to keep the falling apart eye sore, and who ended up paying for it? The tax payers did."

Methinks the Irving Clan didn't cry N'esy Pas?

Grant Buote

@David R. Amos - quick question: why do you keep say "N'esy Pas"? What, exactly , are you trying to say?

Ian Scott

@Alex Butt And now its a booze store. At our expense.

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David R. Amos

@Grant Buote Its Chiac

Now Go Figure Who is crazy and who is not

http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/lockwood_anthony_8E.html

However, the political crisis following Lieutenant Governor Smyth’s death on 27 March provided the occasion, if not the inducement, for Lockwood’s spectacular descent into madness.

An interim president of the Council being required, George Leonard*, the octogenarian senior member, was first offered the position, which he declined on the grounds of age. Despite a challenge by supporters of Christopher Billopp, Ward Chipman* assumed the post of administrator on 1 April. The challenges continued however. Lockwood attended the Council meetings on 30 April and on 1 May. Thereafter he absented himself and for the next few weeks his whereabouts are uncertain. By 24 May he had persuaded Leonard to assert his right to the presidency “in the hope that it would produce tranquillity in the province.” Ostensibly to assist in that purpose, Lockwood appointed himself as Leonard’s civil aide-de-camp and inspecting field officer, as well as acting secretary. On 25 May he attempted to disseminate Leonard’s proclamation in Saint John – while at the same time writing a letter to Chipman offering terms for his, Lockwood’s, support. From 25 to 30 May Lockwood behaved with erratic violence in Saint John: issuing threats, brawling, taking up residence in Government House, and gathering an appreciative mob. Dr Paddock attended him with scant success. By the time he returned to Fredericton on 30 May, Lockwood was approaching collapse; on the steamboat General Smyth he scribbled a desperate note to Chipman requesting release from his present public offices since his “ailment” was “subject to increase from confinement.”

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@Grant Buote continued

The Council considered Lockwood’s state of mind at their meeting on 31 May, hearing depositions from the doctors who had treated him and from the mayor of Saint John. The following day Lockwood set up a table in Fredericton square, at which he drank coffee, issued proclamations, and reacted pugnaciously to the crowd, before taking horse and riding about the streets firing pistols and declaring himself called to assume the government of the province. By nightfall Lockwood had been arrested and placed in the Fredericton jail. The Council received further evidence from the sheriff of York County on 2 June and were “fully satisfied” of Lockwood’s derangement. Chipman appointed a commission de lunatico inquirendo that day and by 5 June it had determined that Lockwood was legally mad, and had been since 19 May. On 7 June his wife and son petitioned for a committee of custody over his person and estate, which was immediately granted.

When George Shore, Lockwood’s replacement, examined the surveyor general’s office, he found confusion, mutilated documents, and disarray which would take “two extra employees five years to straighten out.” Furthermore, the discrepancy between Lockwood’s receipts as receiver general and the office’s bank deposit amounted to more than £2,000. Although he was moved from the jail to what was, in effect, house-arrest in September, Lockwood and his family had to suffer the public sale of his real and personal estate as the custodial committee sought to recover the missing public monies.

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David R. Amos

@Alex Butt "Time to wake up and realize that NB is broke and falling apart and need to set real priorities!"

Methinks history can repeat itself The province has seized control of the Lockwood house before N'esy Pas?

http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/lockwood_anthony_8E.html

The following day Lockwood set up a table in Fredericton square, at which he drank coffee, issued proclamations, and reacted pugnaciously to the crowd, before taking horse and riding about the streets firing pistols and declaring himself called to assume the government of the province. By nightfall Lockwood had been arrested and placed in the Fredericton jail. The Council received further evidence from the sheriff of York County on 2 June and were “fully satisfied” of Lockwood’s derangement. Chipman appointed a commission de lunatico inquirendo that day and by 5 June it had determined that Lockwood was legally mad, and had been since 19 May. On 7 June his wife and son petitioned for a committee of custody over his person and estate, which was immediately granted.

When George Shore, Lockwood’s replacement, examined the surveyor general’s office, he found confusion, mutilated documents, and disarray which would take “two extra employees five years to straighten out.” Furthermore, the discrepancy between Lockwood’s receipts as receiver general and the office’s bank deposit amounted to more than £2,000. Although he was moved from the jail to what was, in effect, house-arrest in September, Lockwood and his family had to suffer the public sale of his real and personal estate as the custodial committee sought to recover the missing public monies.

David R. Amos

@Grant Buote Methinks you should ask Fat Fred City's infamous blogger or his buddy the Mayor to explain my Chiac to you N'esy Pas?

David R. Amos

@Grant Buote Methinksin return I should ask an Urban Planning Technologist if he recalls why I ran in Fat Fred City for a seat in the 39th Parliament Trust that Chucky and Mikey know N'esy Pas?

Emilien Forest

He owns it, he should be able to do with the way he wants. The Fredericton elite wanna be's should learn to respect that. Enjoy your herbal tea now...

David R. Amos

@Emilien Forest How do you spell R.E.S.P.E.C.T ??? Methinks you and your foes the Fredericton elite wanna be's have no clue as to what I am up to N'esy Pas?

Marc LeBlanc

@Emilien Forest There should be some kind of prize for this post!!!
Finally someone with my sense of humor...now watch we'll get bumped

David R. Amos

@Marc LeBlanc I have already been bumped twice

Louie Youssef

Those properties were listed, and for sale for a very long time. Anyone who wanted to save them, or do anything else with them, could have bought them. Just because something is old, it doesn't mean it should stay around forever.

Why should anyone have the right to dictate what all future generations do with private property? There are people around who just love to have a cause to champion, and that's fair. But when someone spends their time, money and energy taking a risk on something, it's not right to try and change the rules of the game, mid game. If tearing down old, inefficient, obsolete buildings was prevented, New York city would never have been built.

It's called progress. Getting rid of something to build something better, that will provide badly needed housing, shouldn't be discouraged.

Emilien Forest

@Louie Youssef

Well said!

Jason jeandron

@Louie Youssef It's that attitude that saw corporations dump hazardous waste into watercourses, destroy wetlands and pollute the atmosphere a few decades ago. Heritage is a community asset which provides well documented advantages when preserved. Improved community, increased economic benefits from taxes, tourism and jobs creation. And while they fail to follow it, the City has committed to conserving our heritage in their Municipal Plan. As you'll be aware, the City/Province/Nation often has a say in how development occurs, to prevent the loss of life, environment and increasingly heritage. Allowing developers to destroy iur heritage, that others have helped to survive for nearly 2 centuries in this case, is short-sighted. There are other places that developers can build in that will not destroy our non-renewable heritage resources.

Marcus Kingston

@Louie Youssef@Louie Youssef I respect your response, however I also respectfully disagree with your response. This building is old yes, but it has extreme heritage value to the city and the province. People come to Fredericton to see these structures and admire their craftsmanship and design. The New York City that you speak of actually 'landmarks' many of their historic structures as the realize their importance to the history and culture of their city.

If city planners in Fredericton had had their way in the 1960's/70's then the entirety of Queen Street including City Hall would have been demolished. How would this have benefited Fredericton in the long run? Are you aware of how many tour busses stop outside of City Hall on any given day in the summer months?

Last summer we lost two 'beautiful' yellow homes on Regent Street, heritage homes that could have easily been saved, when there was an open lot just up the street on the corner of Charlotte and Regent. Tourists will be less and less inclined to visit Fredericton if we keep erasing it's past. I'm all for 'progress ' as you say, however progress isn't always 'moving forward'. I welcome new builds, many of us do, but why can they not be built on existing lots that are already vacant? Or put in places that do not already have historic structures.

Heritage should belong to us all, not simply those who can afford to own it.

If I had had $7,000,000 then I would have purchased all of these properties and saved them. However only a few people can afford to do such things. I'm sure no one jumped on these purchases because no one would have assumed that a buyer would demolish them. St. Dunstan's was turned into apartments as was York House, restoration is possible, you can mix old and new.

Respectfully,

MK

Louie Youssef

@Marcus Kingston You're making an awful lot of assumptions. Two homes were destroyed, you have no idea what condition they were in, or what was needed to make them efficient. I do, because I owned them.
Now 16 families will be able to live where previously 3 could. You take a very simplistic view of development. It's not up to just one person to say "oh, there's some vacant property, I think I'll have it and build something". That's not how it works. Not everything can be saved, for both practical and financial reasons.

Cities are growing, and everyone has a right to live in them. Just because a few people think something is pretty, it doesn't mean that saving that house, and denying many others the right to live in a city is the best thing to do. It's not right to target a specific development that doesn't have any restrictions of demolition on it after the fact. That's a policy that needs to be in place before investment is made.

I'm against it, but I respect what the majority says. That's how a democratic society works.

Shawn McShane

@Louie Youssef New York City held onto a significant number of structures that date all the way back to the middle of the 17th century.

Louie Youssef

@Jason jeandron What is heritage exactly? Is it any house that's old? Isn't a house just something made of sticks and stones? I would say that what makes a home important are the memories that are made inside of it.

Those memories are important to the people who made them. Beauty is subjective. Some people may like old architecture, some people may like contemporary. There is no right or wrong. To me, people should be able to do what they like with private property, while respecting the laws that are in place.

As far as pollution, wetlands, etc, I'm not sure why that's part of this commentary. But that's your right.

Shawn McShane

@Louie Youssef Do all the neighbors appreciate having 16 families, the noise and traffic? Did it make their own property value go down?

Dundonald Street area property owners say they have enough apartments on their street and they don't want another...Elzayat said he will make two-bedroom units to entice families. "A single family home or an apartment, they're family dwellings. Maybe you should change your thinking on that." - May 20th, 2010

Jim Cyr

@Louie Youssef Louie, your point is valid. However, the building is not 100 years old. It's not even 150 years old. It's 200 years old. And we are not Europe; we have very few old buildings.

Jim Cyr

@Jim Cyr Oh, and Louie, one more thing: functional apartments can literally be built almost anywhere. That's just a fact of life.

David R. Amos

@Emilien Forest Nope

David R. Amos

@Marcus Kingston Methinks that you have lots of time to type but not to talk N'esy Pas?

Roy Nicholl
@Louie Youssef wrote

"It's called progress. Getting rid of something to build something better, that will provide badly needed housing, shouldn't be discouraged.:

The problem is that what we are building may be newer, but is not always better. Nor is it even significantly more efficient. Very few of the apartment buildings erected in the City in the past 25 years will see a 100th birthday let alone 200.

With respect to the Risteen Building (Significance of the original portion of the building being it was the first cut stone building in the City (perhaps province) and was the home of New Brunswick's first Surveyor General), I understand Gabriel's conundrum. I had looked at this building (and the surrounding properties) a year or two earlier with the intention of incorporating the Lockwood house into a Passivhaus mixed-use complex, but, in the end, could not reduce the risk sufficiently to move forward.

Shawn McShane

Colin Seeley

Too bad. Gallant and the money tree is gone.

David R. Amos

@Colin Seeley Nope

Here is the problem with all of the comments on this article: People are posting their opinions about the fate of a property, and trying to cast the owner in a bad light, when in reality he is not doing anything wrong.
To the people who are calling this building a “heritage building” – if that is so, why does it not have a designation? Shouldn’t that be your avenue, trying to get a designation, rather than badmouthing law-abiding property owners?
To those who object to building higher density housing, shouldn’t your avenue be to change the zoning bylaws if you want to prevent more apartments in the city, not bashing property owners who are not breaking any rules?
And finally, what makes any of you authorities on what has value and what doesn’t? Your own opinion? Because it doesn’t seem like it is backed by any democratic process.

Jim Cyr

@ It's a tourism thing. Tear down enough of these old buildings, to put up bland apartment blocks, and pretty soon people like me stop wanting to visit Fredericton. 1,000 people per year who didn't spend that $1,000 in Fredericton equals a loss per year of one million dollars . Ten million dollars over ten years. It's all about the money: does Fredericton want that ten million dollars, or not?? (If it had no competition, then of course the question would be moot. However, it DOES have competition in the "semi-quaint old cities in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia" category.....Saint John, Moncton and Halifax.)

Shawn McShane

@ Anonymous City councils change zoning by-laws to ALLOW higher density in order to collect more money and to collect on NEW building permits. The property owner/developer goes to the the same councils, the developer hears the public complaints and doesn't care as long has he gets approval from the council. He gives not one whit about the public and neither does the council. Follow the money.

David R. Amos

@ Methinks we all should who are you N'esy Pas?

Jim Cyr

Let me just as you: what kind of city tears down a 200 year-old, perfectly functional building to put up APARTMENTS?? A city that has tons of 200 year-old buildings, I guess.......

Shawn McShane

@Jim Cyr Same kind of city that tears town beautiful mature trees at at Officer’s Square against the wishes of the public?

David R. Amos

@Jim Cyr Methinks that thou doth jest too much N'esy Pas?

David R. Amos

@Shawn McShane And methinks that thou doth protest too much N'esy Pas?

John Young

Fredericton is turning into pressboard paradise. Structurally sound old buildings systemically torn down for profit and greed. Officer’s Square is being converted to Coney Island, while Main St. looks like Las Vegas Strip. Our city is losing its historical identity and beauty.

David R. Amos

@John Young YUP

David R. Amos

Methinks some folks may enjoy knowing a bit of my conversation that I just had with my friend Carl Risteen N'esy Pas?

In a nutshell Carl said that his home is considered a heritage home and he can't change the colour of even a shingle with Fat Fred City's permission and that the reports of people trying to buy it are pure BS. I told him that he should register with CBC and tell the folks himself Carl said he can't be bothered and was going for a walk and gave me his permission to state this.

Shawn McShane

@David R. Amos Carl Risteen lives in the house that his great-grandfather built adjacent to the building and it is heritage but the 200 year old Risteen building itself is not heritage?

Something smells

David R. Amos

@Shawn McShane YUP

Ray Bungay

Very simple to per like Heritage enthusiast Mr. Marcus Kingston, is to find out the value of that property now, plus what the value is now, plus the value of the property after the new construction is complete minus the demolition and then make an offer to buy it. I not then leave the owner alone to do what he/they want to do with it. We see this almost yearly here in Saint John most recently the old falling apart Jelly Bean homes and old Sydney Street Court House. Public monies should no be used to save old buildings rather private money should if it can be raised and a specific time frame to fix up or in the end tearing it down. Anyone in Fredericton with very deep pockets? No one showed up in Saint John for the Jelly Bean homes and no private developer has come forth for the court house.

David R. Amos

@Ray Bungay Methinks folks should follow the money right now not after the fact N'esy Pas?

Bob Smith

For those crying and moaning about this, put your money where talk is directed. Want to save the "historic buildings" in Fredericton and St. John? Buy them or allow developers to fix the properties up without red tape and complaints when a single brick is moved or replaced. Media always finds folks like Kingston to interview about this but these same individuals seem to have only words and no money..

David R. Amos

@Bob Smith Methinks Mr Higgs and his Minister of Tourism, Heritage and Culture
Robert Gauvin as Minister of Tourism, Heritage and Culture should step up to the plate and classify it a "historic building" It is located in the Capital District N'esy Pas?

Roy Nicholl

@Bob Smith
Some of us are doing just that.

Trevis L. Kingston

North America has no "old" buildings.
1492...was the starting date of 4 sided structures as we know them on this continent.
A 200 year old structure here is socially as valuable as a 2000 year old Italian Cathedral.
Canadians travel to the four corners of the world to see what?....old buildings !
But we will never have any for tourists to see if we tear them all down.
People pay good money to see Kings Landing and the Acadian Village. (1783 plus.)
Fredericton...the City of Stately...apartment buildings?

Harold Benson

@Trevis L. Kingston I'll trade ya

David R. Amos

@Harold Benson "Fredericton...the City of Stately...apartment buildings?"

Methinks Mayor Mikey and his cohorts no doubt like the sound of that Perhaps they will change Fat Fred City's slogan N'esy Pas?

Shawn McShane

That building is a brick schitt house. Solid. So replace it with another particle board apartment? There was a developer in Moncton who did the opposite...Heritage Developments Ltd?.

David R. Amos

@Shawn McShane Methinks the latest Minister of Heritage Mr Gauvin is no doubt very proud of Moncton's efforts to preserve it history N'esy Pas?

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David R. Amos

@Shawn McShane Methinks the folks should checkout the history swirling around the Lockwood House N'esy Pas?

http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/lockwood_anthony_8E.html

Harold Benson

Git them Gagetown boys up here with one of them newfangled tanks. Problem solved, training to boot.

David R. Amos

@Harold Benson Methinks Sam does not agree with such nonsense N'esy Pas?

David R. Amos

Carl Risteen told me to checkout the history swirling around Anthony Lockwood. Methinks because the Receiver General was such a comical scallywag the cornerstone of Queen Street should certainly be preserved and our history become better known N'esy Pas?

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David R. Amos

The Fat Lady is about to sing Carl I trust that you cheered up and got a chuckle out of the comments

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Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 12:29:19 -0400
Subject: YO Marcus Kingston I just called but you were too busy having coffee
to talk to me about your concerns about the Risteen building
To: marcus.kingston@gnb.ca, mike.obrien@fredericton.ca,
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However I did tell what I was up to Correct?

Perhaps Chucky Lebalnc and his cohorts will take up your battles with
Fat Fred City with his buddy Premier Blaine Higgs and Hon. Robert
Gauvin in particular N'esy Pas?

https://www2.gnb.ca/content/gnb/en/departments/thc/heritage/content/historic_places/designations.html

Heritage Designations in New Brunswick
Through the Heritage Conservation Act, the province is involved in a
number of procedures that can result in different types of heritage
designations. Depending on the level and nature of significance,
places in New Brunswick may be eligible for recognition under the
following types of designations:

•Provincial Heritage Place Designation
•Municipal Heritage Conservation Area
•Local Historic Place Designation
Provincial Heritage Places and Local Historic Places are listed on the
New Brunswick Register of Historic Places and on the Canadian Register
of Historic Places. Information on the Canadian Register of Historic
Places is available at www.HistoricPlaces.ca. For National Historic
Sites and related information, contact Parks Canada Agency web site,
click here.

Hon. Robert Gauvin

Deputy Premier
Minister of Tourism, Heritage and Culture
Minister responsible for La Francophonie

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Triumph26said:
December 14, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Isn't it great that this Smart City we live in sold this club for $125,000 less than they paid to a known slum landlord. There were several other solutions to this issue.

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Fate of 1820s stone building in Fredericton causes worry

Owner wants to put up new apartments on property in downtown Fredericton

CBC News· Posted: Jan 26, 2019 8:00 AM AT

The Risteen Sash and Door factory was established in the 1870s in one of the first stone cut buildings in New Brunswick. (Provincial Archives)

Concern is growing for an old stone building in downtown Fredericton, once the home of a thriving woodworking factory and now possibly headed for demolition.

The Risteen building at the corner of Queen and Smythe streets, the first cut stone building in New Brunswick, could be torn down to make way for a new development.

Gabriel Elzayat says he wants to put apartments on the property.

The prospect saddens Carl Risteen, great-grandson of Joseph Risteen, who took the building over in the 1870s.

"This building here is the cornerstone basically of Queen Street, so it's the first house in Queen Street," Risteen said.

He still lives in the house that his great-grandfather built adjacent to the building.

The Risteen building was erected in the 1820s but Joseph Risteen turned it into a woodworking plant toward the end of the 19th century. (Jon Collicotte CBC News)

"It would be a shame to see it gone," he said.

It was built in the 1820s by Anthony Lockwood, surveyor general of New Brunswick. When Joseph Ristine took it over, he created the Risteen Sash and Door factory.

"My great-grandfather bought the burned-out shell in about 1870 or thereabouts and fixed up the interior and built the big extension on the back — the big wooden part on the back — for his woodworking factory," Risteen said.

The products of that factory can still be found in the finishings and doorways of the New Brunswick Legislature, said Risteen.

Carl Risteen's great-grandfather created the Risteen Sash and Door factory. (Jon Collicott CBC News)

But the building itself may not last much longer. It's one of several buildings developer Elzayat has acquired on the block.

He said he's not sure whether the building will be torn down or salvaged, but he's open to ideas about incorporating it into his new development.

The city said it hasn't received an application for development yet, but tenants are already on the move.
Ross Davidson, whose kitchen supply shop has been in the building for decades, has been told to vacate by the end of February.

"We got a notice from our landlord that the property was going to be redeveloped and that was it," Davidson said.

Marcus Kingston wants to find a way to save the Risteen building in Fredericton. (Jon Collicott CBC News)

Some are worried about what the loss of the building will mean for the city's heritage.
Heritage enthusiast Marcus Kingston wants to find a way to save it.

"It's been sitting on the spot for … nearly 200 years and it deserves to stay," he said.

Despite its history, there's no heritage designation to protect the Risteen building, which means developers are free to do whatever they want with it.

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LOCKWOOD, ANTHONY, naval officer, hydrographer, surveyor, office holder, and politician; b. c. 1775 in England; he had one son, also named Anthony, who was born in 1804; m. 11 May 1819 Mrs Harriet Lee of Saint John, N.B.; buried 25 Jan. 1855 in Stepney (London), England.

Anthony Lockwood joined the Royal Navy in 1791, holding the ranks of midshipman and master’s mate before being made a master of the Jason, on which he served from 20 May 1797 to 25 Feb. 1799. He was master of the Crescent between 25 April 1799 and 26 July 1801, during which time he surveyed Curaçao and part of the Spanish Main. Illness then interrupted his naval career until July 1804, but over the next two years he conducted surveys of Cap Ferrat, France, La Coruña, Spain, and Falmouth harbour, England, as well as making an incomplete survey of the Channel Islands.

On 1 July 1807 Lockwood was appointed acting master attendant at the naval yard in Bridgetown, Barbados, by Vice-Admiral Sir Alexander Forrester Inglis Cochrane. He retained this position until the beginning of 1814, when he commenced surveys on the coasts of British North America. During the next four years, sailing the sloop Examiner and based near Halifax, Lockwood made extensive marine surveys of Nova Scotia and Grand Manan Island, N.B., in addition to producing a chart of the Saint John harbour. His last Admiralty chart was certified at the Hydrographic Office in London on 25 March 1818.

Seeking post-war preferment, in 1818 Lockwood published in London, at his own expense, A brief description of Nova Scotia, with plates of the principal harbors, which contained fulsome dedications to the lieutenant governor of the colony, Lord Dalhousie [Ramsay*], and officers of its government, especially Surveyor General Charles Morris*, who had already employed Lockwood as a map-maker.

On 25 Feb. 1819, with the written support of Commander Charles Bullen, Lockwood petitioned the colonial secretary, Lord Bathurst, for the position of surveyor general of New Brunswick. Seven weeks earlier, however, Lieutenant Governor George Stracey Smyth* had recommended George Shore, then acting surveyor general, for the appointment. Receiving no reply, Smyth confirmed his recommendation by letter to Bathurst dated 25 March. This, too, Bathurst ignored, appointing Lockwood on 23 April 1819 – a fact unknown to Smyth until Lockwood presented himself in Fredericton that July.

While passing through Saint John en route, Lockwood had encountered a shipload of Welsh emigrants from the snow Albion, for whom he issued location tickets on his arrival in the capital. This action, taken even before he had introduced himself to Smyth and his Council, proved to be a significant initiative in forming settlement policy in New Brunswick. By August, Lockwood had assisted in founding the Cardigan Society, to aid the Welsh settlement of that name; it was in turn quickly absorbed by the Fredericton Emigrant Society of which he became secretary.

Lockwood’s exertions during his first months in New Brunswick were impressive. Before taking his oath for the Council, which he automatically joined as surveyor general, he had written to Bathurst advising that the province be surveyed into sections. He took his place on the Council on 13 October, and found time that same fall to conduct the first survey of a canal route through the Chignecto Isthmus, which evidently won him valuable support among the Saint John merchants. On 16 December he proposed to the Council that he run a new survey of the boundaries of Kings, Queens, and Westmorland counties. During 1820 he surveyed 84 lots for emigrants on Cape Tormentine and built them a road to the Gaspereau River, as well as surveying another road between the Nerepis and Oromocto rivers. On 22 July of that year the Council heard Lockwood’s report on a land grant to the Micmac band on the Richibucto River. He submitted recommendations for further emigrant lots in Shepody Road at the Council meeting on 5 October.

After such a vigorous introduction, Lockwood apparently withdrew into the routine conduct of his office, though by June 1822, it appears, he was appointed receiver general of casual revenues in addition to the post he already held. Perhaps his periods of frantic activity followed by ones of relative inactivity were ominous. In the early fall of 1822 Lockwood first consulted Dr Thomas Emerson* of Fredericton and then received treatment from Dr Thomas Paddock of Saint John for mental illness of some sort. He had recovered sufficiently, nevertheless, to attend nine meetings of the Council between 18 Jan. and 13 March 1823, on the latter occasion presenting a plan of the Richibucto River, which displayed town reserves, and another for the Buctouche River. However, the political crisis following Lieutenant Governor Smyth’s death on 27 March provided the occasion, if not the inducement, for Lockwood’s spectacular descent into madness.

An interim president of the Council being required, George Leonard*, the octogenarian senior member, was first offered the position, which he declined on the grounds of age. Despite a challenge by supporters of Christopher Billopp, Ward Chipman* assumed the post of administrator on 1 April. The challenges continued however. Lockwood attended the Council meetings on 30 April and on 1 May. Thereafter he absented himself and for the next few weeks his whereabouts are uncertain. By 24 May he had persuaded Leonard to assert his right to the presidency “in the hope that it would produce tranquillity in the province.” Ostensibly to assist in that purpose, Lockwood appointed himself as Leonard’s civil aide-de-camp and inspecting field officer, as well as acting secretary. On 25 May he attempted to disseminate Leonard’s proclamation in Saint John – while at the same time writing a letter to Chipman offering terms for his, Lockwood’s, support. From 25 to 30 May Lockwood behaved with erratic violence in Saint John: issuing threats, brawling, taking up residence in Government House, and gathering an appreciative mob. Dr Paddock attended him with scant success. By the time he returned to Fredericton on 30 May, Lockwood was approaching collapse; on the steamboat General Smyth he scribbled a desperate note to Chipman requesting release from his present public offices since his “ailment” was “subject to increase from confinement.”

The Council considered Lockwood’s state of mind at their meeting on 31 May, hearing depositions from the doctors who had treated him and from the mayor of Saint John. The following day Lockwood set up a table in Fredericton square, at which he drank coffee, issued proclamations, and reacted pugnaciously to the crowd, before taking horse and riding about the streets firing pistols and declaring himself called to assume the government of the province. By nightfall Lockwood had been arrested and placed in the Fredericton jail. The Council received further evidence from the sheriff of York County on 2 June and were “fully satisfied” of Lockwood’s derangement. Chipman appointed a commission de lunatico inquirendo that day and by 5 June it had determined that Lockwood was legally mad, and had been since 19 May. On 7 June his wife and son petitioned for a committee of custody over his person and estate, which was immediately granted.

When George Shore, Lockwood’s replacement, examined the surveyor general’s office, he found confusion, mutilated documents, and disarray which would take “two extra employees five years to straighten out.” Furthermore, the discrepancy between Lockwood’s receipts as receiver general and the office’s bank deposit amounted to more than £2,000. Although he was moved from the jail to what was, in effect, house-arrest in September, Lockwood and his family had to suffer the public sale of his real and personal estate as the custodial committee sought to recover the missing public monies.

Throughout his confinement Lockwood petitioned for his liberty. But it was not until 10 Nov. 1825 that a further commission of inquiry, appointed by Lieutenant Governor Sir Howard Douglas*, declared him “restored to his understanding.” Soon after his release he returned with his wife to England, where he continued to receive a £150 annual pension from the government of’ New Brunswick until his death. Anthony Lockwood’s respite from suffering was only brief. “At times subject to fits of insanity” until 1836, he probably spent some of the last years of his life in the Bethnal Green Lunatic Asylum in London.

Peter Thomas

Anthony Lockwood prepared A brief description of Nova Scotia, with plates of the principal harbors; including a particular account of the island of Grand Manan (London, 1818). His chart of Saint John harbour was published under the title Mouth of the River St. John ([London], 1818; a copy is available in the British Library (London), Dept. of Printed Books); a photograph of this chart is in the PANB’s map collection, H2-203.29-1818.

N.B. Museum, W. F. Ganong, “New Brunswick biography,” 133; W. F. Ganong coll., box 12, packet 3; H. T. Hazen coll.: Ward Chipman papers, corr., George Leonard to Chipman, [27 or 28 May 1823]; Anthony Lockwood to Chipman, 25 May 1823; Lockwood to Thomas Wetmore, 10 Sept. 1823; George Shore to Chipman, 14 June 1823; Ward Chipman papers, deposition of R. C. Minette, city surveyor, Saint John; memorandum, Bank of New Brunswick, 7 Oct. 1823; Reg. of marriages for the city and county of Saint John, book A (1810–28); SB 42: 72 (L. [M. B.] Maxwell, “History of central New Brunswick,” column in Daily Gleaner (Fredericton), 1933). Old Loyalist Graveyard (Fredericton), Tombstone of Anthony Lockwood Jr. PANB, “N. B. political biog.” (J. C. and H. B. Graves); RG 2, RS6, A2, 2 Oct., 16 Dec. 1819; 22 July, 5 Oct., 23 Dec. 1820; A3, 13 March, 30 April, 2 June 1823; RS8, Estates, 2/1, administration of Anthony Lockwood. PANS, RG 20A, 68, 1817. PRO, ADM 1/4822, Pro L, nos.224–25; 1/4824, Pro L, no.248; 1/4826, Pro L, no.261; 1/4849, Pro L, no.74; ADM 11/4, 11/6; ADM 36/14409; ADM 106/1560, 27 Oct. 1806; 106/1693, 31 Jan. 1814 (enclosure in 31 Jan. 1818), 25 March 1818; 106/2248: 398; 106/3517, 1 April 1822; CO 188/25, Lockwood to Lord Bathurst, 25 Feb. 1819; Smyth to Bathurst, 4 Jan., 15 March 1819. N.S., House of Assembly, Journal and proc., 1820: 158. New-Brunswick Royal Gazette, 22 June, 6, 9 July, 7 Dec. 1819. Nova-Scotia Royal Gazette, 30 June 1819. Acadian Recorder, 12 Dec. 1896, supp.

Fate of 1820s stone building in Fredericton causes worry

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