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Green MLA Kevin Arseneau has been critical of People Alliance Leader Kris Austin's use of the phrase 'common sense,' suggesting it disguises an agenda to undermine francophone rights. (CBC)
The Speaker of the New Brunswick Legislature has ruled that a Green MLA's reference to Nazi propaganda during a debate in the house was a poor choice of words but did not violate parliamentary rules.
Daniel Guitard ruled Tuesday on Kent North MLA Kevin Arseneau's use of a quotation by Adolf Hitler's propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, while criticizing the People's Alliance.
He asked Arseneau if he wanted to withdraw the words but Arseneau refused.
The famous quotation, which Arseneau used last Friday during the throne speech debate, says that with "sufficient repetition," people can be convinced "that a square is in fact a circle" because "words can be moulded" to disguise someone's real meaning.
He read the quotation while critiquing Alliance Leader Kris Austin's frequent comment about the need for "common sense" in the application of language rights in New Brunswick.
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Arseneau refused to take back his comments when given a chance in the legislature on Tuesday. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)Austin rose on a point of order during Tuesday's sitting of the legislature and argued that Arseneau's "insinuations" were not appropriate.
"I understand heated debate, I understand emotional debate, but in my opinion and the opinion of my caucus, he certainly overstepped," Austin said.
Guitard said he had already reviewed Arseneau's comments.
"They're not unparliamentary, but I can say as far as the choice of words, it was poor taste, and a poor choice of words."
Because the words were not unparliamentary, the Speaker could not order Arseneau to withdraw them, but he invited Arseneau to do it anyway.
After Arseneau refused, he said twice that he was not making a comparison between the Alliance and the Nazi regime in Germany.
Guitard cut him off when he tried to continue speaking.
Green Leader David Coon defended Arseneau to reporters, saying the Goebbels quotation is a well-known quotation and it's fair to use it to comment, without drawing a comparison to Nazism, on how politicians use words.
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Methinks the Crown knows the nasty SANB Trolls Marc Martin and Marguerite Deschamps continue with their libel of me in CBC for the benefit of their former President Kevin Arseneau N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/green-mla-comments-1.4922740
Nazi reference in poor taste but doesn't break rules, Speaker decides
Comments
William Henry
With representation like that, the Greens are showing why there is only room for the Liberals on that side of the policitical pendulum. Mr Arsenault should take the time to learn parliamentary decorum and refrain from this kind of inflammatory language or go back to your farm in Kent County. I am ashamed that I even thought about voting Green in the last election. Glad my spider senses were tingling.
Marc Martin
@William Henry
*should take the time to learn parliamentary decorum and refrain from this kind of inflammatory language *
You didn't read ? What he said was not against the law.
*should take the time to learn parliamentary decorum and refrain from this kind of inflammatory language *
You didn't read ? What he said was not against the law.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Marc Martin, they can't even read English. No wonder they're not bilingual!
Marc Martin
@Marguerite Deschamps
I've seen tons of them laughing at my English, I have an excuse its my second language, they don't have any excuses.
I've seen tons of them laughing at my English, I have an excuse its my second language, they don't have any excuses.
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks I should remind you SANB people that my barring notice is in ENGLISH ONLY N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
@Marc Martin, they have an excuse; you can't fix $tupid!
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps True However
Methinks you know that the Crown is well aware that I can certainly sue it if the RCMP won't prosecute both the dumb and the clever criminals N'esy Pas?
Methinks you know that the Crown is well aware that I can certainly sue it if the RCMP won't prosecute both the dumb and the clever criminals N'esy Pas?
Tim Astle
Well, the only option with credibility on the left are the Liberals.
David Amos
@Tim Astle Methinks politicians never concern themselves with credibility They already know most folks don't believe them anyway N'esy Pas?
Stephen Wood
With the Speaker of the House being a Liberal and SANB , I am not surprised he viewed things the way he did. Mr Arsenault had his chance to redeem himself but flat out refused clearly showing he and the Green party are NOT willing to work with the other parties. IMO, Mr Arsenault will be the downfall of the Green party in New Brunswick.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Stephen Wood, just like in sports, if you don't like the decision, blame the reff!
Marc Martin
@Stephen Wood
But you where ok when the Liberal appointed him so that *your kind* could push their agenda right ?
But you where ok when the Liberal appointed him so that *your kind* could push their agenda right ?
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks you would do the same if the shoe was on the other foot N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks you make no sense what so ever Its a small wonder to me the former SANB President is recorded in the parliamentary claiming that he did not know what common sense was N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
We all know that quote is used for something else.
We all know that quote is used for something else.
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, you can think what you want; the rules are the rules. I personally do not see anything wrong in quoting anybody, be he, Jos Goebel or Jos from Cocomo. It does not mean that Austin and his COR party would resort to atrocities perpetrated by the Nazis. But these populist parties do resort to perpetrating untruths and the masses fall for it, just like Trump in the US, Ford and Max Bernier in Canada.
Marc Martin
@Marguerite Deschamps
That's exactly right. He didn't call him a Nazi he took a quote from a Nazi, that is not the same. Its weird he felt targeted by this....
That's exactly right. He didn't call him a Nazi he took a quote from a Nazi, that is not the same. Its weird he felt targeted by this....
Fred Brewer
My respect for the Green Party is rapidly vanishing.
Mack Leigh
@Fred Brewer
I am surprised that there is anyone left that has any respect for them at all... Arseneau will be ****'s undoing...
I am surprised that there is anyone left that has any respect for them at all... Arseneau will be ****'s undoing...
Marc Martin
@Fred Brewer
Who cars you didn't vote for them anyway.
Who cars you didn't vote for them anyway.
David Amos
@Fred Brewer Methinks many folks are enjoying the part in circus they are playing N'esy Pas?
Dan Lee
Mr Arsenault will have respect from his voters.......hang your head high sir...you are right
Dan Lee
@Fred Brewer
Speaking of hatefull remarks........
Speaking of hatefull remarks........
Seamus O'hern
@Dan Lee ....oh yes.....congratulations.....hang your head indeed.
Marc Martin
@Dan Lee
Well said sir.
Well said sir.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Too Funny
Carroll Cameron
@Dan Lee
"HOLD" your hea.......
Works better.
"HOLD" your hea.......
Works better.
capilano dunbar
I am a little puzzled why Austin didn't raise a point of privilege during the speech. The inference is not very nuanced and in this case it really isn't called for. If New Brunswickers want rural paramedics then they will have to put up with at least some unilingual paramedics otherwise they will have none at all. Common sense, in the ordinary meaning, would assume some unilingual paramedics are better than none. Very disappointing M. Arsenault didn't apologise of his own volition.
Johnny Horton
@capilano dunbar
The problem is the people of the Brockway, Sussex corners and oak hills are fine with unilingual paramedics. But someone sitting in the tracadoes and edmunstons is demanding how others will be served.
The problem is the people of the Brockway, Sussex corners and oak hills are fine with unilingual paramedics. But someone sitting in the tracadoes and edmunstons is demanding how others will be served.
Clive Gibbons
@Johnny Horton
They're fine with unilingual medics, as long as they are unilingual anglophones.
They're fine with unilingual medics, as long as they are unilingual anglophones.
Jim Reid
@Clive Gibbons stay on track there clive...
Clive Gibbons
@Jim Reid
I guess what I said was true then.
I guess what I said was true then.
Pierre Adam Bulger
@capilano dunbar common sense is knowing that the issue is not the language but the retetion / employement tatics used to get paramedics. theyre paid like **** , treated like **** and arent even considered medical professionals. but i guess when its not your language in jeopardy , common sense is whatever THEY tell you it is.
Marc Martin
@Johnny Horton
*Sussex corners and oak hills are fine with unilingual ENGLISH paramedics.*
Corrected you.
*Sussex corners and oak hills are fine with unilingual ENGLISH paramedics.*
Corrected you.
David Amos
@capilano dunbar Methinks you should just relax and enjoy the circus I explained this nonsense yesterday but it was not my fault much of it was blocked N'esy Pas?
Lloyd Joslin
Green and liberals are one
Seamus O'hern
@Lloyd Joslin ....the greens and libs are done.....
Johnny Horton
@Seamus O'hern
The North has almost half the seats. The libs will continue to win lots of seats,
The North has almost half the seats. The libs will continue to win lots of seats,
David Amos
@Lloyd Joslin YUP
Methinks in more ways than one N'esy Pas?
Methinks in more ways than one N'esy Pas?
Harold Benson
My caucus lol. Good to see some newbie fresh breath, willing to tell it like it is, but he'd better watch out for the thin skinned litigious ones.
Johnny Horton
@Harold Benson
Your comment is hilarious,
Why?
Because it was arseneau thst went to the rcmp.
Your comment is hilarious,
Why?
Because it was arseneau thst went to the rcmp.
Clive Gibbons
@Johnny Horton
Arsenal didn't threaten anyone's family.
Arsenal didn't threaten anyone's family.
David Amos
@Harold Benson Methinks I should ask if your buddy Sam agrees N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Marc Martin "Yes because individuals like your kind threaten him."
Methinks that is dangerously close to libel but I don't believe that is the other dude's real name so no foul play However what you post about yours truly is a different kettle of fish N'esy Pas?
Methinks that is dangerously close to libel but I don't believe that is the other dude's real name so no foul play However what you post about yours truly is a different kettle of fish N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
*Methinks that is dangerously close to libel *
Nah. If it was, I could have had you and most people here convicted for hate crimes.
*Methinks that is dangerously close to libel *
Nah. If it was, I could have had you and most people here convicted for hate crimes.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks that is libel N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Constantly hating or discriminating against a minority is considered a crime you didn't know ?
Constantly hating or discriminating against a minority is considered a crime you didn't know ?
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks you are well aware that I know the law N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Apparently you don't. You need to take a look at section 319(2)Promoting hatred. Yeah I know the law too.
Apparently you don't. You need to take a look at section 319(2)Promoting hatred. Yeah I know the law too.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks you did not read my lawsuit closely Perhaps should ask the RCMP how I dealt with that section in the prosecution of the nasty neo nazi Arthur Topham and his strange buddy the evil Zionist Barry Winters Trust that the Crown you work for knows both criminals hated me with a passion and I was honoured that they did N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, aka J. J. Robinette!
David Amos
Seamus O'hern
The Card Carrying "Speaker" said it was OK and no need to withdraw NAZI Reference....".there's a shocker"....expect the same and worse then "SPEAKER"
David Amos
@Seamus O'hern Methinks the current Speaker will soon give up the chair and Mr Higgs will likely ask Mr Fitch to take a seat It that comes true then you should be happy N'esy Pas?
Colin Seeley
The Law is an asss.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Colin Seeley, and so is the leader of the PA, aka COR party!
David Amos
@Colin Seeley Methinks the rules were upheld and believe that a nurse should not argue law with such an attitude N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Green Party irrelevance and their SANB member shines big time !
David Amos
@Lou Bell YUP
Marguerite Deschamps
Thin skin Austin; if you can't stand the hear in the kitchen, get out of the kitchen!
Marc Martin
@Marguerite Deschamps
Exactly, well said.
Exactly, well said.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks you two are too too funny indeed N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, most on here are droll, and it's not in the sense of funny.
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks your buddy Mr Martin's libel is not funny at all N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
*Nazi reference in poor taste but doesn't break rules, Speaker decides*
There ya go, its not illegal.
There ya go, its not illegal.
Fred Dee
@Marc Martin
but it is sooo wrong!!!
but it is sooo wrong!!!
Marc Martin
@Fred Dee
Nah its not, he didn't called them Nazi directly he was making a reference that's all.
Nah its not, he didn't called them Nazi directly he was making a reference that's all.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks you should review Section 300 of the Canadian Criminal Code N'esy Pas?
FMarc Martin
@David Amos
Did he call him directly a Nazi yes or no ? He did not.
Did he call him directly a Nazi yes or no ? He did not.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks everybody but you understands that I am dealing with what you have been posting about me N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Surprise Surprise Surprise
JJ Carrier
If the sheet fits
Nazi reference in poor taste but doesn't break rules, Speaker decides
Green MLA Kevin Arseneau won't withdraw Nazi propaganda reference in criticism of People's Alliance
The Speaker of the New Brunswick Legislature has ruled that a Green MLA's reference to Nazi propaganda during a debate in the house was a poor choice of words but did not violate parliamentary rules.
Daniel Guitard ruled Tuesday on Kent North MLA Kevin Arseneau's use of a quotation by Adolf Hitler's propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, while criticizing the People's Alliance.
He asked Arseneau if he wanted to withdraw the words but Arseneau refused.
The famous quotation, which Arseneau used last Friday during the throne speech debate, says that with "sufficient repetition," people can be convinced "that a square is in fact a circle" because "words can be moulded" to disguise someone's real meaning.
He read the quotation while critiquing Alliance Leader Kris Austin's frequent comment about the need for "common sense" in the application of language rights in New Brunswick.
"I understand heated debate, I understand emotional debate, but in my opinion and the opinion of my caucus, he certainly overstepped," Austin said.
Guitard said he had already reviewed Arseneau's comments.
"They're not unparliamentary, but I can say as far as the choice of words, it was poor taste, and a poor choice of words."
Because the words were not unparliamentary, the Speaker could not order Arseneau to withdraw them, but he invited Arseneau to do it anyway.
After Arseneau refused, he said twice that he was not making a comparison between the Alliance and the Nazi regime in Germany.
Guitard cut him off when he tried to continue speaking.
Green Leader David Coon defended Arseneau to reporters, saying the Goebbels quotation is a well-known quotation and it's fair to use it to comment, without drawing a comparison to Nazism, on how politicians use words.