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Liberal leader rejects Green MLA's fraud allegation in 2022 leadership race

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Liberal leader rejects Green MLA's fraud allegation in 2022 leadership race

Susan Holt says she has seen no evidence that nursing home residents became party members against their will

The leader of New Brunswick's Liberal Party says she's seen no evidence to support a claim that residents of two nursing homes were signed up to vote in the 2022 party leadership race without their knowledge or against their will.

That's the allegation made by Green MLA Kevin Arseneau, who says he has evidence that he filed last week as part of a complaint with the province's seniors' advocate.

But Susan Holt told reporters that supporters of one of her leadership rivals did sign up residents of the two Bathurst-area homes, she is not aware that any were registered unknowingly.

"No, I don't know of any," she said. 

WATCH |'It's really serious': Liberal leader on voter sign-up claims:
 

Liberal leader says no evidence seniors were signed up unknowingly

Duration 1:26
Susan Holt responds to claim that nursing home residents were added to Liberal leadership voting list without their consent.

Minutes after her comments, Holt approached Arseneau in the rotunda of the legislature asking him to supply her with the evidence he says he has.

He refused, saying he got his information from conversations with residents and suggested Holt go speak to them herself.

2 homes owned by same person

Arseneau said last week that his own grandmother, who has dementia, is a resident of one of the two homes.

The Green MLA said in the legislature last week that 28 out of 30 residents of one Bathurst-area nursing home had been signed up as Liberals, as were 25 out of 30 residents of a second home belonging to the same owner. 

A letter on Liberal Party letterhead 

A letter from the Liberal Party to Arseneau demands that membership lists be returned. (Jacques Poitras/CBC News)

He called it "a suspected case of fraud and abuse."

The two homes are both known as Chez Annie. One is in Bathurst and one is in nearby Robertville.

Arseneau said he asked the advocate to investigate what happened and accused the Liberals of having known about the issue since 2022 without acting on it.

The co-owner of the two nursing homes, Steven Sisk, told CBC News that he was approached by a supporter of leadership candidate Donald Arseneault to invite residents to join the party to vote for its new leader.

"I checked if there was any interest in taking part in that on the part of residents, and by popular demand, yes, I guess they were very interested," Sisk said.

"Everyone who was enrolled consented to it."

He also said most of the residents were very interested in politics, made their own decisions on who to vote for and were not pressured to support a particular candidate.

"They knew who they wanted to vote for anyways," he said. "You can't force nobody into nothing."

MLA's grandmother signed up

Sisk said not all of the 53 residents who signed up ended up voting, particularly residents with dementia or Alzheimer's.

"The ones who could not, did not."

He added that he didn't know if Kevin Arseneau's grandmother voted but said she consented to being signed up.

On Wednesday the Liberals sent an official notice to the Green MLA demanding he return "personal and confidential information regarding its members."

Kevin Arseneau speaks in the legislature Arseneau accused the Liberal Party of signing up members from a nursing home, some without their knowledge or consent. (Legislative Assembly of New Brunswick)

Possessing the information was "unauthorized, unethical and lawful," Liberal Party president Carley Parish wrote.

Arseneau confirmed he obtained an 11-page list of all Liberal Party members in the two ridings where the nursing homes are located.

He said the Liberal notice was an attempt to "change the narrative," and he would "absolutely not" return the membership lists because it constitutes evidence supporting his complaint.

Holt said the party became aware from media organizations that Arseneau had the information, though no news organizations had referred to the list or published any of the names, addresses or other information on it at the time she made the assertion.

Arseneau said while he showed the documents to some journalists, he knew they would not publish any of the personal information. 

"I have not released that information publicly. I have used it in a very responsible way, so that we could address a very real and severe and sinister problem." 

Donald Arseneault, who placed fourth in the 2022 leadership race, said by text Wednesday that he rejected the suggestion his volunteers would sign up seniors without their consent.

"I have no reason to doubt that they didn't do anything wrongfully," he said.

"To make these allegations is quite unfortunate. Seniors have the right to vote."

Bathurst West-Beresford MLA Rene Legacy, who supported Arseneault for leader, challenged Kevin Arseneau to present his evidence publicly that some residents were registered without their consent.

"The MLA who brought it up is going to have to bring up the proof. I'm not going to go into a campaign of dirtying the Liberal name until I have the proof."

Holt said Wednesday that she canvassed her caucus and none of her current MLAs, including Arseneault's supporters, signed up residents of the nursing homes.

She also said the party has made it clear that volunteers must ensure "that people in positions of influence aren't unduly influencing people to do something that's not of their free will. It's something we take really seriously."

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Jacques Poitras

Provincial Affairs reporter

Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New Brunswick since 2000. He grew up in Moncton and covered Parliament in Ottawa for the New Brunswick Telegraph-Journal. He has reported on every New Brunswick election since 1995 and won awards from the Radio Television Digital News Association, the National Newspaper Awards and Amnesty International. He is also the author of five non-fiction books about New Brunswick politics and history.

 
 
 
87 Comments
 
 
 
David Amos

Methinks Mr Outhouse is enjoying reading the news and the comments today N'esy Pas? 
 
 
 
David Amos

Does anyone recall the fun Rebel News had with the Liberal Party president Carley Parish when she sent them a nasty letter on behalf of the RCMP?
 
 
 
David Amos
Methinks Mr Finnigan will be stepping up to the plate in short order N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
Marge Timmons
Regardless of party, the basic fact remains....most politicians are not ethical people and are led by their massive egos.  
 
David Amos
Reply to Marge Timmons 
Amen
 
 
 
G. Timothy Walton  
So a high percentage of people in the old Liberal dog-riding region signed up, including many people with dementia who probably think it's decades ago, when voting Liberal there was as much tribal as voting PC in Kings or Carleton Counties.

I'd be shocked if they got any other result.

 
David Amos
Reply to G. Timothy Walton 
Everybody knows where I live if you put a blue coat on a dog it will win and common sense has nothing to do with it Its tribal all the was down the line before Confederation 
David Amos
Reply to David Amos 
You 
Kyle Woodman
Reply to G. Timothy Walton 
David Amos
Reply to David Amos 
You
 
 
 
 
Don Corey 
Does anyone actually believe anything Kevin Arsenault has to say? 
 
Ron parker 
Reply to Don Corey 
Same could be said about all of them.  
 
Bryan Jones
Reply to Don Corey
He's resentful because the Libs didn't want him.
 
David Amos
Reply to Bryan Jones
Bingo 

David Amos
Reply to Ron parker 
Oh So True  
 
David Amos
Reply to Don Corey 
I doubt it 
 
Kyle Woodman  
Donald Arsenault is as greasy as they come in NB politics, but Kevin Arseneau also has an axe to grind, so there's that.
 
Kyle Woodman 
 
Jim Lake
Reply to Kyle Woodman
Yes Ronald, you barely, if ever, read the story.

Stop impersonating, and completely misrepresenting, Kyle.

Jim Lake
Reply to Kyle Woodman
I think most would call your impersonation behaviour a type of bullying Ronnie.

Not cool at all.

Kyle Woodman 
Reply to Kyle Woodman
Wrong again Ronald. 
 
Kyle Woodman 
Reply to Kyle Woodman 
It's funny because I'm actually criticizing the Liberals here, and you can't even recognize that.
 
David Amos
Reply to Kyle Woodman
Donald Arsenault and Kevin Arseneau are two peas in a pod  



Kyle Woodman 
 
Kyle Woodman 
Reply to Kyle Woodman 
Oh please Ron. This is nothing compared to the failures of the Higgs government.
 
David Amos
Reply to Kyle Woodman
Welcome back to the circus 
 
 
 
Eugene Peabody  
It sure seems like the Green MLA is worried about the momentum Ms. Holt has and is worried about his seat. It is worth noting that he made his statement in the house were he could not be sued for false accusations.
 
David Amos
Reply to Eugene Peabody   
I noticed that too
 
 
 
Rusty Shackleford 
Somehow JP will blame hoiggs  
 
Jim Lake
Reply to Rusty Shackleford  
Only when it’s justified.
 
Don Corey
Reply to Jim Lake
No, not justified, but ok as long as it somehow fits his agenda.
 
David Amos
Reply to Don Corey 
Nope and Yup 
 
 
 
Marcel Marcotte 
Provincial Politics in New Brunswick is getting nasty and we still have 5 months before the Provincial Election. Hopefully this does not profit Mr. Higgs and his party.
 
David Amos
Reply to Marcel Marcotte 
It already has 
 
 
 
Inger Nielsen  
Stirring the pot! my guess is someone does not want a green lib coalition.
 
David Amos
Reply to Inger Nielsen  
Who would that be?
 
 
 
Shawn Tabor  
Well, well, lets see what will come of this. LOL
 
David Amos
Reply to Shawn Tabor   
You know as well as I that nothing will come of this
 
 
 
Daniel Henwell  
if true, this is a pretty dirty trick.
 
David Amos
Reply to Daniel Henwell
All is fair in love, war, litgation and politicking 
 
 
 
pete prosser  
Who voted for Green MLA Kevin Arseneau? Really?  
 
Ron parker
Reply to pete prosser 
enough to put him in there. 
 
pete prosser  
Reply to Ron parker  
and what bribin' did he do to get those votes.....
 
Ron parker
Reply to pete prosser  
My experience is they all do, no matter the team. 
 
Clive Gibbons
Reply to Ron parker 
Twice.
 
Jack Bell 
Reply to pete prosser 
"Who voted for Green MLA Kevin Arseneau?"

His SANB buddies.

https://onfr.tfo.org/kevin-arseneau-de-la-sanb-a-lassemblee/
 
David Amos
Reply to pete prosser 
Yup
 
David Amos
Reply to Jack Bell
Hmmm
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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