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Methinks everybody knows lawyers are professional liars For them to advise anyone not to do what they do is a monumental joke N'esy Pas?

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Thinking about lying to U.S. border agents about your pot use? 'Do not do that. Trust me,' says lawyer

Rather than lying or admitting pot use, experts suggest a third option: delay



Guy Quenneville· CBC News· Posted: Oct 30, 2018 8:20 PM CT


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Rick Bailey 
Rick Bailey
Who's this lawyer kidding?
If you smoked a joint 30 yers ago in high school absolutely lie about it and say no. Trust me, says Rick Bailey.


David Amos
David Amos
@Rick Bailey Methinks everybody knows lawyers are professional liars for them to advise anyone not to do what they do is a monumental joke to anyone with two clues within their ears N'esy Pas?

David Amos
David Amos 
 @David Amos BTW Does anyone remember the Yankee lawyer by the name of Clinton when asked if he ever smoked dope he said yes but he did not inhale How is that possible? The there the dude named Obama but I will let CBC tell the tale about lawyers and their BS

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/marijuana-legalization-macdonald-1.3895377

"It was a variation on Bill Clinton's not inhaling. Ridiculous, almost cowardly. Or Barack Obama, who admitted cocaine use in a memoir, then oversaw national crackdowns on pot."

BTW I don't smoke No Joke So I don't care if it is legal or not




Ray Davies
Bill Martin
Suddenly the 'devil may care' days of one's youth return decades later to bite you in the adze.


Ray Davies
Ray Davies
@Bill Martin
Only if you have family in the US or are required to do business there...otherwise it's not that big of a deal. Or you could just be sensible and not say yes or something equally stupid like try to avoid the question.

David Amos
David Amos
@Bill Martin What if pulled a Flip Wilson and confessed your sins to the Yankee border guards then told them that the devil made you do it? Do ya think they would laugh a let ya go?

Pierre Sylvan
Pierre Sylvan
@Bill Martin
Unless you want to get on the Supreme Court

Ray Davies
Ray Davies
@David Amos

Seems like they would but they might not...they have the right to detain you and you can't withdraw your intention to cross the border once they've got you. They'll have to let you go at some point but who knows how long that could be...

David Amos
David Amos
@Ray Davies Methinks I have the ticket out of trouble with nasty Yankee Border Guards Check out page 2 of this old file I am way above their pay grade N'esy Pas?

https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right

David Amos
David Amos
@Pierre Sylvan "Unless you want to get on the Supreme Court"

Funny you should say that I about to send the Supreme Court my lawsuit in short order . If you doubt me just Google David Amos Federal Court

Norm Cunningham
Norm Cunningham
@David Amos nope, i don’t think so!
I once took a box of Pot of Gold chocolates as a gift into the U.S.
their customs guy saw it, wrapped by manufacturer and demanded I open it to prove it was chocolates. . . I did, then offered him one, lol. He of course declined, but did let me through.

John Oliver
John Oliver
@Norm Cunningham
Lucky it wasn't a Kinder Surprise. They might have locked you up for 2 years.

David Amos
David Amos 
@Norm Cunningham Methinks I have a better one for ya. I am a Proud Candain citizen but I have permanent resident status in the USA because I am married to an American and the very proud Father of two children with dual citizenship.

Anyway one time I encountered a border guard with no sense of ha ha at all. who maintained that since I was an American resident that I could not cross the border with my antique Harley registered in Nova Scotia. I asked why because I am a Canadian not a Yankee and I still own property in Canada. He could not argue himself out of a wet paper bag with a dude who loves to sue lawyers so he upped the ante and threatened to seize my Harley if I dd not sign documents promising to register the bike in the in the USA ASAP. In the process of filling out forms he demanded that I prove that the old Harley was made in the USA on the spot or he was gonna make me pay a lots of duties as well.

Well I had bought in the USA years before and paid a lot of duty bringing it to Canada but I certainly should not have to pay any duty on bringing a product built in the USA back. Anyway even though everybody knows that Harleys are built in the USA try proving it on the spot to a jerk. Antiques don't come with EPA stickers etc. Anyway I thought a minute then pointed to the taillight lens. Caste in the plastic is "Made in the USA." The Jerk let me ride away because his cohorts were starting to laugh at his malicious nonsense.

True story

David Amos
David Amos
@David Amos Speaking of Border guards Trust that I gave this file to both the Canadian and Yankee border guards in 2004 when I came home to run in the Election of the 38th Parliament in the riding called Fundy Royal. i have run or public office 5 more times since then

https://www.scribd.com/document/2619437/CROSS-BORDER

Methinks page 2 should give Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen a stroke on All Hallows Eve Quite an "October Surprise" even if I do say so myself N'esy Pas?

Google "Fundy Royal Debate" sometime if you want a pretty good chuckle









Everett Mincey
Everett Mincey
There is a foolproof way to avoid border conflicts-stop going to USA. Unless there is an absolute reason involving significant business needs or personal tragedy this is a good time in our history with US to put leisure travel on hold until border laws change. A significant drop in Canadian visits will have a large effect on US border crossing laws. Recently, there has been a large drop in Chinese tourism due to measures by US to discourage Chinese tourists. Tourism and visitor-based businesses in America will put pressure on officialdom to change how border crossings are handled. Just be patient and things will change!


Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@Everett Mincey, nothing the US of A will change my mind about crossing their border. Their border officers have always been rude and ignorant. Nothing will change.
Eric Giesbrecht
Eric Giesbrecht
@Marguerite Deschamps .Strange i have always thought they were very polite etc , it's coming back that the hassles start with the Canadian guards

David Amos
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David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks the nasty Yankee border guards remind many local folks of the snobby Quebeckers who think they know all about the Maritimes Trust that the Feds in Canada and the USA know that I have many Cajun and Acadian friends who no doubt agree with me N'esy Pas?

Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@Eric Giesbrecht, it was never the case out east. Canadian guards were always polite and respectful. But I have not been anywhere near a US border for decades.

Richard Mackay
Richard Mackay
@Marguerite Deschamps I have traveled extensively for business and I think it is a North American thing. Of all the Developed countries (EU, USA Canada, Japan and Korea) only two stand out as having ignorant, nasty, impolite and power trips, USA CBP and Canada's CBSA both are thoroughly unpleasant people to deal with! Actually the CBSA has been the most unpleasant of the two!

Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, it depends on the Quebecker. Some are nasty while others are very nice people. Same goes for some US people as well. It's normally the ignorant from the boondocks that paint everyone with the same brush.

David Amos
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David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps "ignorant from the boondocks "

Methinks you think I resemble your not so sly remark. However you were so busy knowing it all about everything that you did not bother to get the first clue about me before you opted to libel me N'esy Pas?



David Amos
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David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks CBC must be protecting you from "a ghost of comments past" on All Hallows Eve N'esy Pas?



John Peters
John Peters
@Marguerite Deschamps
If you haven't been near a US border for decades, then you probably don't know if they are rude.

David Amos
David Amos
@John Peters Methinks the lady doth protest too much N'esy Pas?


The stinking hypocrisy over pot finally ending: Neil Macdonald

A look at Canada's damaging history with marijuana and what legalization might bring



Neil Macdonald· CBC News· Posted: Dec 14, 2016 5:00 AM ET

The government has promised to table legislation for the legalization of pot next spring, but it could take much more time for the bill to be studied and eventually passed into law. (Justin Tang/Canadian Press)



My late father was born early enough to remember mail-order catalogues offering THC capsules to people who were having trouble sleeping or eating.

It worked, obviously. THC, or tetrahydrocannabinol, is the active ingredient in cannabis, and while the term "the munchies" didn't exist in rural Ontario during the first two decades of the 20th century, that's what the catalogues were selling. That, and a nice buzz.

Anyway, Dad said it was elderly people, farmers worn out by a life of hard labour, who used the capsules, and no one connected the drug to murder, insanity, death or the rape of white women by members of other races.

Then, in 1923, Canada lost its mind, bought the murder, rape and insanity thing, and criminalized cannabis, and for the next 93 years — to this very day — has persecuted heaven knows how many people, ruining lives, ending careers, denying comfort to the ill, and actually sending people to the horror of prison, all for something most smart people knew all along is a piddling, victimless act.


Lives ruined


Of course, most victims of this were young people, who are more easily caught than adults with private homes. Or minorities, because they're shaken down far more often by police.

And the stinking hypocrisy was that plenty of politicians, including prime ministers, and plenty of police, and plenty of judges had, at one time or another, smoked a joint themselves, but remained willing to continue wrecking other people's lives for doing the same thing.

Few had the courage to speak out.

Twenty years or so ago, doing a documentary on cannabis, I spoke to a man who, as a university law student in 1979, had persuaded the Joe Clark government to propose decriminalization in the speech from the throne. (When I asked Clark many years later what happened to that initiative, he answered: "Ronald Reagan happened.")


Prime Minister Joe Clark mentioned the possibility of decriminalizing marijuana back in 1979. (Fred Chartrand/Canadian Press)
But would that former law student talk on the record? Umm, no. Because, you see, he'd become a Crown attorney, and although he assured me his views had not changed, the police wouldn't appreciate them.

I also called a judge (later to become a much more senior and famous judge) who, in her student days, had advocated for reform of marijuana laws. Would she speak? Please don't mention me, she said.
Ditto a federal public servant who'd once headed the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) in 1979. He was just plain scared by 1993; he hung up on me.

I even approached former justice minister Kim Campbell, running for prime minister at the time, to ask if she'd ever smoked pot. Yes, she said haughtily, but if you understand the law, Mr. Macdonald, you'll know I never violated it, because I never possessed the drug. It was passed to me. (The Mounties instantly disagreed with her legal opinion.)


During the 1993 campaign, Prime Minister Kim Campbell admitted she'd smoked marijuana before. (Tom Hanson/Canadian Press)
It was a variation on Bill Clinton's not inhaling. Ridiculous, almost cowardly. Or Barack Obama, who admitted cocaine use in a memoir, then oversaw national crackdowns on pot.

Which brings us to Justin Trudeau. Let's be clear here: He openly acknowledged having used cannabis, and decided not just to decriminalize it, but to outright legalize it.

Good for Justin Trudeau. That took guts. That's called courageous leadership.
Conservatives, of course, will screech about this, until they shut up and accept it, the way they've given up fighting gay marriage.

But the weird thing is that legalization of marijuana is, strictly speaking, a conservative idea. Conservatives are, or are supposed to be, laissez-faire.

It's liberals who desperately want to use government to protect people from themselves.

Disclosure here: I enthusiastically smoked cannabis for years, until I stopped. It weirds me out now, and I can't handle it. It never made me want to try heroin, though, or rape anybody, or steal to get my pot fix. I am 100 per cent sure alcohol and tobacco, the single most preventable cause of cancer, did me far more damage. Let the government outlaw tobacco if it's so concerned about public health.

Big money


We are still in bizzaro world, by the way. We're supposed to be so much more progressive than the Americans, and yet hundreds of millions of Americans live in states where possession of cannabis is completely legal, or an offence that merits nothing more than a traffic ticket. At the same time, the Americans will bar a Canadian from the U.S. for life for admitting ever having smoked dope, and may continue to do so, especially under their bizarro-world new president.

And don't forget, there's a hell of a lot of money at stake here. Police, who have for decades inflated their budgets by busting kids for pot during the "war on drugs," are no doubt having urgent discussions with their political masters about keeping those budgets intact.


Police raids on marijuana dispensaries made plenty of headlines in Canada this year. (Judy Trinh/CBC)
And of course other public servants are licking their chops at the prospect of enlarging their departments.

The Liquor Control Board of Ontario is already waving its hand around anxiously. The recommendation of the federal task force that marijuana be sold in a separate facility from alcohol is even better; new LCBOs (MCBOs?) can be built, and all sorts more staff hired, thereby grossly inflating the price of a joint. It's the Canadian way.

No doubt some LCBO executives are already planning glossy monthly magazines suggesting pairings of Thai-stick or Maui Wowee with a nice leg of lamb or a risotto. The governments that sent people to prison for pot will be promoting it. Shamelessness always pays.


Customers browse samples at Shango Cannabis shop on the first day of legal recreational marijuana sales in Portland, Ore., in October 2015. (Steve Dipaola/Reuters)
You can bet a month's pay that conservative corporate Canada is already planning to elbow aside the funky little shops selling things like "purple kush" and the "edibles" bakeries, the sort that operate in Colorado and Washington. We don't want to be having too much fun.

Here's something else you can count on: tax, and lots of it. This week's task force recommendations even proposed taxing more potent pot more heavily. For everyone's safety, of course.
Nothing ever really changes.

Oh, and one other thing: once legalization happens, anybody with a marijuana-related criminal record should be pardoned.
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Thinking about lying to U.S. border agents about your pot use? 'Do not do that. Trust me,' says lawyer

Rather than lying or admitting pot use, experts suggest a third option: delay


Canadian defence lawyers advise against lying about your past cannabis use when crossing a U.S. border. (Elaine Thompson/AP Photo)

Al Larocque says he's always been truthful when crossing the border.

But if the Fruitvale, B.C., resident is asked by U.S. border agents if he's ever smoked marijuana, he knows what he's going to do.

"I'm going to lie," he said Tuesday.


Larocque lives just north of B.C.'s border with Washington state, a boundary he crosses several times a year to reach his winter home in Arizona.​
But a report Monday— about Estevan, Sask., residents being refused entry into North Dakota after admitting to past cannabis use — has Larocque spooked about his next southbound trip next month.

"I don't want to lie. And I'm going to lie. And that is unfortunate. Because I am a truthful person and I think most Canadians are," he said.

Larocque is worried about getting cut off from his second home.

Still, he should rethink his plan, say lawyers consulted by CBC News.

"Do not do that. Trust me," said Henry Chang, a partner at the Toronto law firm Blaney McMurtry LLP who specializes in immigration law and practises in both Ontario and California.

The repercussions of being caught lying to a U.S. border agent outweigh the potential gain of fibbing without detection, Chang said — namely, you could be permanently banned from entering the U.S.

'People don't understand' the rules: lawyer


There are two other things that could get you banned from the U.S. in the post-Canadian legalization age, according to Chang.

The first is a prior conviction for marijuana possession.

The second is admitting to having used marijuana before its recreational use was legalized by the Canadian government on Oct. 17.


Henry Chang, an immigration lawyer based in Toronto, says people can refuse to answer the question and seek American legal advice in the meantime. (Blaney McMurtry LLP)
"If you say, 'Yeah, I smoked marijuana when I was 18, but it's not a problem, right?'— it is problem. You are barred for life, as if you had been convicted back then. People don't understand that," said Chang.

"Legalization doesn't cure prior problems," he added.
Medical marijuana users with a valid prescription are exempt from this category, though they still can't import any marijuana into the U.S.

What about recreational users who admit to doing marijuana after it was legalized?
"It's not as black and white," said Chang.

If it was a one-time tryout by a curious newbie involving cannabis bought from a legal Canadian seller, "you should be OK," he said.

Medically examined for signs of addiction


But a person who admits to using cannabis repeatedly could still be barred from entering the United States, said Chang.

"If they conclude that you're a drug abuser [or addict], you're barred [on] that ground, separate and apart from whether it's legal or not."

That conclusion can't be reached, however, until a Canadian panel physician approved by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) examines someone following a detention.

"You will be temporarily banned until you get the medical exam done," said Chang, adding that the findings are shared directly with CBP, not with the patient.

"If they tell you [at your next border trip] you're not getting in, you know what the medical exam said," he said.

People barred on this ground aren't necessarily banned for life, however, thanks to what Chang called a "remission provision." The panel physician (either in Vancouver, Toronto or elsewhere) may re-examine someone and find they no longer meet the definition of addict or abuser.

"But it can bar someone for several years until they have proven that they no longer use drugs, including legal cannabis," said Chang.


Andrew Mason, a Saskatoon defence lawyer, said people with past convictions for pot possession can obtain a waiver but it's a costly and 'cumbersome' process. (CBC)
People with a prior pot possession conviction have an option too.

They can apply to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services for a waiver (form I-192) that would essentially see the U.S. government overlook a past offence.
People have to provide a criminal record check and references, pay a $1,200 Cdn fee and periodically get their waiver renewed.

"It's a cumbersome process," said Andrew Mason, a Saskatoon-based defence lawyer.

And it's not to be confused with a pardon from the Canadian government, which may not do any good anyway, Mason added.

"It doesn't erase the fact that you had committed the offence in the past."

Their advice? Delay


Given all these strict rules, what should marijuana users do when questioned by border agents?

"That's a question I get a lot," said Chang. "It's a no-win situation for anyone who gets asked the question.

"If you admit to using controlled substances prior to legalization, you are barred," he continued. "If you lie and say you've never smoked it and they find out, it's a permanent bar for material misrepresentation, which is also quite serious."

Chang and Mason agree it's better to take a take a third, if imperfect, approach.

Delay.

"Refuse to answer the question. Say it's irrelevant. Say you don't know why this question is being asked," said Chang.

It won't get people to their destinations — and they'll merely be confronted with the same question next time —  but at least they can consult a lawyer, he said.

That lawyer may even be able to resolve the situation directly with CBP "without you having to make an actual admission," said Chang.

"Because once you've admitted it, it's done. You're barred. Nothing anybody can do except apply for a waiver."

A diplomatic solution 


Mason is hopeful another solution can be worked out.

"I expect the governments of Canada and the U.S will get together and make it so that most people who have smoked it in the past but who are not likely to break U.S. drug laws will not be disallowed in the United States.

"But that's going to take a bit of negotiation and discussion."

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Guy Quenneville
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