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Some — but not all — PC MLAs gather as election speculation continues

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Some — but not all — PC MLAs gather as election speculation continues

6 Tory members who broke ranks with premier aren't invited to Fredericton meeting

Several cabinet ministers including Attorney-General Ted Flemming and Finance Minister Ernie Steeves were seen driving into the parking garage at Chancery Place, where the premier's office is located.

Three backbench MLAs, Mike Dawson, Michelle Conroy and Ryan Cullins, also arrived, walking into the main entrance.

The Speaker of the legislature, Bill Oliver, showed up too, claiming to be unaware what was going on.

"I'm just going to a meeting. … I'm not sure yet," he said.

A grid of six individuals. Three on the top row: a woman, a man, and another woman. Three on the bottom row are all men.  Six caucus members, clockwise from top left, Andrea Anderson-Mason, Trevor Holder, Dorothy Shephard, Jeff Carr, Ross Wetmore and Daniel Allain, were not at Tuesday's meeting. They broke ranks with Higgs in June over changes to the gender-identity policy for schools. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)

But the six PC MLAs who broke ranks with Higgs in June over changes to Policy 713, the gender-identity policy for schools, were not at the meeting.

The premier's chief of staff, Paul d'Astous, buttonholed by reporters outside the building, said the meeting was unrelated to a possible election and was not a full caucus meeting.

He said it was a meeting of the policy and priorities board, a committee of cabinet ministers that some backbenchers are able to attend.

But some of the MLAs arriving did not seem to know that. 

"I'm not even sure myself," Cullins said when asked what the meeting was.

Speakers of the legislature, who are officially neutral in their roles, do not attend most caucus meetings for partisan discussions.

A man with white hair wearing a blue blazer and dress shirt speaking into a CBC branded microphone. Paul d’Astous, the premier’s chief of staff, told reporters outside the building that the Tuesday meeting was unrelated to a possible election and was not a full caucus meeting. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)

But d'Astous said Oliver was there Tuesday as a "resource person" to the group because he'll be presiding over the opening of a new session of the legislature on Oct. 17.

D'Astous wouldn't guarantee that will happen, however.

"Anything can change," he said.

A smiling man in a black suit and blue tie in front of a microphone. New Brunswick and Canada flags are in the background. Speaker of the legislature Bill Oliver claimed to be unaware what the meeting was about. D’Astous said Oliver was there as a 'resource person.' (CBC)

The June rebellion and what Higgs calls the resulting "instability" and "political drama" in his caucus is why he has not ruled out a snap election this fall.

As a result, all political parties have been preparing for the possibility. Social Development Minister Jill Green announced last week she will run again.

Another member of cabinet, Health Minister Bruce Fitch, said last week he doesn't think Higgs should call an election this fall.

Under the province's Elections Act, it's now too late for a provincial election to take place Nov. 6. The next possible date is Monday, Nov. 13.

Dawson, elected in 2022 as MLA for Southwest Miramichi-Bay du Vin, said if Higgs asks his advice, he'll encourage him to do it. 

"I can go to the polls tomorrow," he said.

"Why not? Are we going to able to function … in the middle of this month?"

Dawson said he doesn't trust assurances by the six MLAs who broke ranks in June that they'll support Higgs's agenda in the legislature.

A man in a suit standing outside. Backbench MLA Mike Dawson said if Higgs asked his advice on a snap election, he’d encourage him to do it. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)

"They'll probably say whatever they want to get back into the house," he said.

Those six have declared emphatically they won't vote against the government in any confidence votes such as the budget, and some have said they know of no bills this fall they'd vote against.

But they also said in a joint letter to the PC caucus in August that they want all Tory MLAs to have more input into government decision-making.

They've also accused Higgs of refusing to hold a full meeting of the 29-member PC caucus to sort out the disagreement.

Some of the MLAs arriving told reporters they weren't aware that the group of six had not been invited.

"You know more than we do," Conroy said.

A spokesperson notified reporters hours before the meeting started that Higgs would not be available to speak to reporters.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Jacques Poitras

Provincial Affairs reporter

Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New Brunswick since 2000. He grew up in Moncton and covered Parliament in Ottawa for the New Brunswick Telegraph-Journal. He has reported on every New Brunswick election since 1995 and won awards from the Radio Television Digital News Association, the National Newspaper Awards and Amnesty International. He is also the author of five non-fiction books about New Brunswick politics and history.

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David R. Amos
I knew there would be an election as soon as I received the legal documents that were revealed a week later

N.B. Power rate increase announcement cancelled, province retracts debt reduction target

Minister denies pre-election motive behind change in 2019 order
Robert Jones · CBC News · Posted: Oct 04, 2023 6:00 AM ADT 
 
 
David R. Amos

Reply to David R. Amos
Natural Resources and Energy Development Minister Mike Holland said a decision made by cabinet last week to release N.B. Power from a four-year-old debt reduction target had nothing to do with a potential early election call. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)

Never believe anything until Mikey denies it

 
 
 
 
David R. Amos
Speakers of the legislature, who are officially neutral in their roles, do not attend most caucus meetings for partisan discussions. But d'Astous said Oliver was there Tuesday as a "resource person" to the group because he'll be presiding over the opening of a new session of the legislature on Oct. 17.

D'Astous wouldn't guarantee that will happen, however. "Anything can change," he said.

Yea Right

 
 
David R. Amos
I wonder if Cardy's opinion of a snap election was discussed  
 
 
 
David R. Amos
 "Former education minister Dominic Cardy, who resigned last October and was ejected from the PC caucus, said an election isn't necessary to remove Higgs from office.

He told reporters that if the premier visits Lt.-Gov. Brenda Murphy and asked her to dissolve the house, she should instead ask the PC caucus if another of its members could take over and lead a government with majority support in the legislature.

Cardy acknowledged that move, while possible in the parliamentary system, is rare but not out of the question.

"The lieutenant-governor's job is to ascertain whether there's anybody else who can command the majority of the house," he said.

 
Dan Lee  
Reply to David R. Amos 
i wish Carr would try.......more of a people person     
 
 
Le Wier 
Reply to Dan Lee
That is the last thing NB needs 
 
 
 
 
 
David R. Amos
GNB tells me that Andrea Johnson is Higgy’s chief of staff  
 
 
David R. Amos

Reply to David R. Amos 

Contact Information

Phone : (506) 453-7494
Fax : (506) 453-3461
Email : Andrea.Johnson@gnb.ca

 
Le Wier 
Reply to David R. Amos 
Yes her job for the pc party has been posted last month 
 
 
David R. Amos
Reply to Le Wier 
She didn't last as long as the liberal I ran against. I wonder if both party loyal ladies will be on the next ballots 
 
 
Le Wier 
Reply to David R. Amos
It will be interesting. I haven’t seen if Johnson’s successor has been announced.
 
 
David R. Amos

Reply to Le Wier 
Paul d’Astous  
 
 
David R. Amos
Reply to Le Wier
The old war horse is mentioned in this article 
 
 
 
 
Matt Steele
A good time to have an election , and give Premier Higgs another mandate tp keep the province on track for prosperity and growth . The Liberals and Greens are in a complete disarray , and have next to zero money ; plus the Liberal Party Chief of Staff has jumped from the sinking ship recently . Premier Higgs has done a fantastic job in managing the province , and has made massive reductions to the provincial debt saving millions in interest payments , posted budget surpluses , and has a new N.B. Museum , Fredericton Courthouse , Provincial Correctional Center , and new schools being built . Meanwhile , he has stood up for family values , and is ensuring that parents can name and raise their children ; and not the State . Thank You Premier Higgs for a job well done , the citizens of N.B. appreciate all your efforts and hard work .   
 
 
David R. Amos
Reply to Matt Steele 
'Methinks the dude who was serenading the Liberal Chief of Staff after he did pretty well losing to her boss will wear a red coat in the next election in order to secure fine job and pension N'esy Pas? 
 
 
 
 
MoveUniversityDeMoncktonOutOfMonckton !
We desperately need an election and a true Higgs majority now! 
 
 
David R. Amos
Reply to MoveUniversityDeMoncktonOutOfMonckton !
Surely you jest 
 
 
 
 
Ralph Skavinsky  
Higgs is not calling an election now so cool your heels folks. 
 
 
David R. Amos
Reply to Ralph Skavinsky 
How do you know? 


Al Clark 
Reply to David R. Amos 
was at the meeting 
 
 
 
 
Dan Lee 
i hope them 6 go as independants and remind their voters on how Higgs treated them................
 
 
David R. Amos
Reply to Dan Lee  
Me too
 
 
Le Wier 
Reply to Dan Lee 
If Higgs refuses to sign their nomination papers they will have no choice if they want to try to keep their pay and pension contributions coming in.
 
 
David R. Amos
Reply to Le Wier
They could turncoat


Al Clark 
Reply to David R. Amos
Doubtful. They seem dedicated to the pcs , just not what higgs is running.  
 

 

 


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