"Folks are breaking into some of our substation terminals and they are stealing copper," said Phil Landry, N.B. Power's executive director of project management offices and engineering.

"And no different than we've seen on the news, getting our catalytic converters stolen out of our trucks."

Daily at N.B. Power's rate hearing, attention swings widely from big-picture examinations of billion-dollar expenses like the upcoming refurbishment of the Mactaquac dam down to issues that involve thousands — or even tens of dollars —  like thefts, vandalism or poor gas mileage recorded in company vehicles.

J.D. Irving Ltd. lawyer Brianne Rudderham questioned N.B. Power on a variety of cost items Thursday from spending on the Mactaquac dam project to the cost of speeding employees. (Jonathan Collicott/CBC)

On Thursday, J.D. Irving Ltd. lawyer Brianne Rudderham covered all of those topics and more.

On the theft and vandalism issue, the utility documented 118 incidents in 2022, more than double the number in 2021 and nearly five times what was suffered in 2019 when just 25 events were noted.

N.B. Power's director of finance operations, Angela Leaman, said with incidents occurring more frequently, the utility has set up a category in its accounting and budgeting system to track events and costs as they occur.

High gasoline and diesel prices in New Brunswick over the past year hit N.B. Power and its extensive vehicle fleet. The utility says speeding by employees in company cars and trucks is adding to that problem. (Robert Jones/CBC)

"We hadn't been, but this past fiscal year we did set up a structure," said Leaman.

N.B. Power self-insures many of its assets and Phil Landry said every incident represents a complete financial loss.

"Are these covered by insurance," asked Rudderham.

"No, they are not," said Landry.

Rudderham asked questions on the big issues as well. She tried to get a figure on how much has been spent on planning for the multi-billion-dollar Mactaquac dam refurbishment project to date but no one had the amount at their fingertips.

One man was killed in 2019 attempting to steal copper wire from an N.B. Power substation in Bathurst. N.B. Power told its rate hearing Thursday thefts and vandalism have only escalated since then. (Francois Lejeune/Radio-Canada)

She had more luck on smaller items, including a revelation some lead-footed N.B. Power employees regularly drive over the speed limit and add to company fuel costs.

Leaman confirmed many company vehicles are equipped with devices that track driving habits and in some cases they do show evidence of high speeds.

N.B. Power self insures much of its vehicle fleet and has been taking losses on the theft of catalytic converters. (Catherine Harrop/CBC News)

"The faster you go, the more fuel you burn," said Leaman.

"To the extent that they are exceeding speed limits when they are executing their work, there would be reports available to provide to managers." 

Twenty-two N.B. Power witnesses are scheduled to testify during the two-week hearing, in which 400 documents have been submitted for review. Three expert witnesses hired by other participants are also expected to give evidence.