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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tasker-freeland-nafta-talks-trump-1.4801706
Trudeau 'encouraged' by NAFTA progress as Canada faces pressure to sign or face auto tariffs
Canada's top concern is chapter 19 of NAFTA, the dispute settlement mechanism, sources say
· CBC News· Posted: Aug 28, 2018 12:38 PM ET Comments
Lily O'Loughlin
Trump has trouble with a word too - it's T R U T H
David R. Amos
@Lily O'Loughlin Methinks Trump and his many lawyers should Google the following ASAP N'esy Pas?
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trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/preliminary-us-mexico-trade-deal-uncertain-trump-freeland-1.4801470
Preliminary U.S.-Mexico trade deal leaves trail of questions unanswered for Canada
Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Freeland heads to Washington today in effort to restart negotiations
The Associated Press· Posted: Aug 28, 2018 8:43 AM ET Comments
Neil Austen
So Trump caved on having the sunset clause he so wanted. So weak. If that was the case NAFTA would have been a successful deal months ago. Trump is such a clown. He causes all the problems and then submits to losing, but then declares victory. Has there been a more disgusting human being sitting as President of the U.S. ? There is no NAFTA deal without Canada and a solely Mexico deal is pretty much useless for Trump as his failure in NAFTA will seal his fate in midterm elections. Canada will decide the fate of NAFTA regardless of what Mexico has agreed to
David R. Amos
@Neil Austen Methinks I should ask is did the Yankee Robert Lighthizer and his fellow lawyers review the info I sent them and many others over a month ago N'esy Pas?
Andy Steinbach
I called this yesterday. Trump would try to use this and spin fake news and try to bully us again. Try and make himself look 'bigger' than he really is. He needs all the help he can get in that respect.
David R. Amos
@Andy Steinbach "I called this yesterday"
Methinks Many people know that I began calling and emailing Trump's lawyers in the summer of 2015 and the Yankee Robert Lighthizer last month Hence I am way ahead of you N'esy Pas?
Methinks Many people know that I began calling and emailing Trump's lawyers in the summer of 2015 and the Yankee Robert Lighthizer last month Hence I am way ahead of you N'esy Pas?
Ash Khar
Not the time to be conservative or liberal. It is time to be Canadian and think of Canada's interests. Or do we also want to be a divided nation along party lines? The posts in this forum predict a bleak future ....
David R. Amos
@Ash Khar "Not the time to be conservative or liberal. It is time to be Canadian and think of Canada's interests."
Methinks everybody should agree. I appears that Trump wants us to overlook the obvious. In a nutshell there is no hurry for Trudeau The Younger to make a bad deal before the Yankee mid term elections and the Mexican President leaves office. N'esy Pas?
Methinks everybody should agree. I appears that Trump wants us to overlook the obvious. In a nutshell there is no hurry for Trudeau The Younger to make a bad deal before the Yankee mid term elections and the Mexican President leaves office. N'esy Pas?
Heath Tierney
So is Mexico paying for your wall, Donald?
Nope, didn't think so.
Another fail.
Nope, didn't think so.
Another fail.
Heath Tierney
@Rob Kov
The wall is a symptom of everything that is wrong with the trump White House.
The wall is a symptom of everything that is wrong with the trump White House.
David R. Amos
@Heath Tierney YUP
Kevin Delaney
Trump is using Mexico to get at Canada. Smoke. Pure Smoke. There may well be some useful items and we shall see. Trusting Trump? Never. Trump has one objective here... get the right headline for Nov.
Canada needs to... Stand On Guard... now more than ever. Trump is an attack on Canada.
Canada needs to... Stand On Guard... now more than ever. Trump is an attack on Canada.
David R. Amos
@Kevin Delaney "Trump is using Mexico to get at Canada. Smoke. Pure Smoke."
Stan Cox
Trump declares a 'victory' every time he combs over his hair.
Canada should bide its time - and await the jury decisions.
Canada should bide its time - and await the jury decisions.
David R. Amos
@Stan Cox "Canada should bide its time - and await the jury decisions."
Methinks we should at least wait until the Yankee mid term elections are history and the new Mexican President assumes office N'esy Pas?
Methinks we should at least wait until the Yankee mid term elections are history and the new Mexican President assumes office N'esy Pas?
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/nafta-canada-1.4800838
For Canada, a bad NAFTA deal is better than no deal at all
There are no poison pills left — only bitter ones for Canada to swallow
· for CBC News· Posted: Aug 28, 2018 4:00 AM ET
Comments
George Economou
Stupid article encouraging surrender to a bad administration, we have many options and Orange will blink first if we use them as we can and should. I am not a liberal pundit , politics has nothing to do with this , it's in our national interests to protect Canadian workers and consumers. we have already given up so much the past 20 years or so, look at the loonie and where it's trading.
David R. Amos
@George Economou "Stupid article encouraging surrender to a bad administration"
I wholeheartedly agree
I wholeheartedly agree
Fred Rogers
Canada existed before NAFTA.
We were fine.
Some might argue we were better.
Trump can take a long walk of a short pier.
We were fine.
Some might argue we were better.
Trump can take a long walk of a short pier.
David R. Amos
@Fred Rogers "Canada existed before NAFTA. We were fine. Some might argue we were better."
Methinks everybody in the know knows why I dislike NAFTA N'esy Pas?
Methinks everybody in the know knows why I dislike NAFTA N'esy Pas?
Jim McAlpine
So an ex-aide to Harper is saying Trudeau has to cave in to Captain Orange? Not likely. There's no doubt that Harper would have folded to the US like a cheap suit, but we need to be tough on this or they will roll over us on every issue we face.
If we are smart, we take our time and ensure the deal is as good as we can get it. Trump himself has said this isn't NAFTA - it's a new deal (what a mistake!), so reviewing a completely new deal (even though we know it's just a tweaked NAFTA deal) should take long enough to ensure the House and Congress has been rejigged with more favourable representation. Congress has to approve any major changes to an agreement they want to be trilateral.
Take your time, Canada, take your time.
If we are smart, we take our time and ensure the deal is as good as we can get it. Trump himself has said this isn't NAFTA - it's a new deal (what a mistake!), so reviewing a completely new deal (even though we know it's just a tweaked NAFTA deal) should take long enough to ensure the House and Congress has been rejigged with more favourable representation. Congress has to approve any major changes to an agreement they want to be trilateral.
Take your time, Canada, take your time.
David R. Amos
@Jim McAlpine "So an ex-aide to Harper is saying Trudeau has to cave in to Captain Orange?"
Methinks thats kinda special in light of Harper's not so secret visit to the White House not so long ago N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-white-house-west-wing-1.4731144
Methinks thats kinda special in light of Harper's not so secret visit to the White House not so long ago N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-white-house-west-wing-1.4731144
Michael Finlay
Considering the author of this article, it's no surprise the doom and gloom. She was with Harper when he tried to sell Canada out from under us. It's an opinion piece, not actual news, or in her case, actual facts.
When you've got 2/3 of US States saying they need Canada to maintain their economy, and a Senate that understands the reality of, well, everything, compared to Trump, Canada is actually in a good position.
Yesterday morning, when all this was breaking, all the networks were saying "NAFTA is dead"...Well, after a bit of research, they took their hand off the panic button, and walked backed on most of their rhetoric once they actually had the facts that there was no actual deal, and the Trump couldn't actually "Kill NAFTA"
Trudeau is handling this right, like an adult. He has to, considering the Child occupying the White House.
When you've got 2/3 of US States saying they need Canada to maintain their economy, and a Senate that understands the reality of, well, everything, compared to Trump, Canada is actually in a good position.
Yesterday morning, when all this was breaking, all the networks were saying "NAFTA is dead"...Well, after a bit of research, they took their hand off the panic button, and walked backed on most of their rhetoric once they actually had the facts that there was no actual deal, and the Trump couldn't actually "Kill NAFTA"
Trudeau is handling this right, like an adult. He has to, considering the Child occupying the White House.
David R. Amos
@Michael Finlay "She was with Harper when he tried to sell Canada out from under us. It's an opinion piece, not actual news, or in her case, actual facts. "
Oh So True
Oh So True
Alan Hanchard
The author is clearly in the Trump/Bernier camp. President Bonespurs can take a flying leap. 35 Governors and the Senate know how important Canada is to their economies.
David R. Amos
@Alan Hanchard I concur
Philip Weigel
I don't get where conservative commentators and ex Harper aides continue to tell us we should constantly sell ourselves short for a bad deal. Like it's great the author here has an opinion but she is just like Harper in the sense that she believes we must deal from a position of weakness instead of one where we are allies with the US and Mexico.
Canada should never sign a bad deal just to have one
Canada should never sign a bad deal just to have one
David R. Amos
@Philip Weigel "Canada should never sign a bad deal just to have one"
Methinks that is just common sense but that was a rare thing to find in the Harper PMO N'esy Pas?
Methinks that is just common sense but that was a rare thing to find in the Harper PMO N'esy Pas?
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Methinks its strange Saudi's Tweet about me but Freeland doesn't have the first clue who I am Anyone can Google the following N'esy Pas?
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2018/08/trump-announces-us-mexico-trade-deal-to.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nafta-us-mexico-progress-monday-1.4800182
Trump announces U.S.-Mexico trade deal to replace NAFTA, and says 'we will see' if Canada can join
PMO says Trudeau and Trump held 'constructive conversation'; Freeland heads to Washington
· CBC News· Posted: Aug 27, 2018 10:24 AM ET Comments
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Two top threads went"POOF" but at least I managed to save my comments within them before they did
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David R. Amos
@David Rodgers "Love the liberals on here, making all the excuses they can"
Methinks Conservatives make just as many odd comments after they Google the following N'esy Pas?
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David R. Amos
@David R. Amos trump cohen fatca nafta tpp david amos
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@Steve Whitaker YUP
Al Heywood
Canada has been badly served by the Trudeau liberal government.
David R. Amos
@jim mika Methinks its strange that even the Saudi's understand and Tweet about me but Freeland does not have even the first clue yet N'esy Pas?
Carlson Tucker
This is what Trudeau considers "winning".
David R. Amos
@Carlson Tucker Methinks anyone can Google the following N'esy Pas?
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
Trudeau 'encouraged' by NAFTA progress as Canada faces pressure to sign or face auto tariffs
Canada's top concern is chapter 19 of NAFTA, the dispute settlement mechanism, sources say
CBC News
Freeland rejoins NAFTA talks in Washington, D.C. LIVE
In his first comments since the U.S. and Mexico put pen to paper on a draft trade deal, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he is "encouraged" by the progress Canada's NAFTA partners have made on writing a renewed trade deal.
The optimism comes even as White House officials threaten to impose punitive tariffs on Canadian-made cars if Canada doesn't sign on to the new deal by Friday.
"We have been encouraged by the progress made by our NAFTA partners over the past weeks. This is an important step to moving forward on renegotiating and improving NAFTA," he said during a brief news conference in Longueuil, Que. Tuesday.
Trudeau said Canada's negotiation team is busy poring over the details of a draft bilateral agreement in principle announced by the U.S. and Mexico on Monday. Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland has arrived in Washington to sit down with her American counterparts to try and hammer out a trilateral deal.
Freeland is expected to address the media at 5 p.m. ET from Washington. CBCNews.ca will carry her remarks live.
Canada's chief trade negotiator, Steve Verheul, and a team from the Prime Minister's Office, including Trudeau's principal secretary, Gerald Butts, took another early-morning flight from Ottawa to Washington D.C.
"The team in Washington is digging into the progress made and looking at what the next steps are. We will engage in a positive and constructive way as we always have been and look forward to ultimately signing a deal as long as its good for Canada and good for middle class Canadians," the prime minister said.
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Trudeau gives NAFTA update
When asked if Trudeau would continue to defend Canada's system of supply management for some farm sectors — in the face of entrenched and vocal opposition from U.S. President Donald Trump — Trudeau said Canada's position on that issue has not changed. "We will defend supply management," he added.
The trip by high-level Canadian officials comes as pressure mounts to sign a deal with the U.S., by far this country's largest and most important trading partner. Freeland cut short a swing through Europe to resume stalled negotiations.
While the U.S. and Mexico had been expected to work through existing bilateral issues between the two countries, they also negotiated some aspects of the deal that are considered trilateral — without Canada at the table.
U.S. and Mexico have signalled they'd like to see a deal by week's end to ensure an agreement can swiftly be sent to Congress for its mandatory 90-day review. The incoming Mexican administration will take office on Dec. 1, meaning a timeline is becoming increasingly constrained.
Canada will now be cajoled to sign a deal quickly — largely concluded without our negotiators at the table for pressing trilateral-issues — or face damaging U.S. tariffs on Canadian-made vehicles that could cripple the domestic auto industry.
Canadian sources, speaking on background to CBC News, said they need to see what exactly Mexico and the U.S. have agreed to in the preliminary, bilateral trade deal before they can "formulate an opinion" on Canada's negotiating position.
Positive 'momentum': sources
While aspects of the deal have been described to the Canadian team, these negotiators want to see all the text for themselves.
What the two countries agreed to on rules of origin, particularly around autos, has been described as "encouraging" to Canada, sources said.
That sentiment was shared publicly by Trudeau Tuesday. "There's been some very positive progress, particularly on autos, and we're happy to be engaging as we have been," he said.
Details from the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) show the preliminary agreements include a wage provision that 40 to 45 per cent of auto content would be made by workers earning at least $16 US an hour, and increase in the auto content required from the NAFTA region to 75 per cent, up from the current 62.5 per cent.
Chapter 19 has been a do-or-die issue for Canada as it is often relied on to fight punitive duties. The USTR's Bob Lighthizer, who is leading the U.S. negotiations, has long opposed this chapter as he believes it's in violation of U.S. sovereignty.
Sources with direct knowledge of the situation, and who spoke to CBC News on background, said Canada won't accept a deal without a strong dispute resolution system.
The momentum is said to be "better than the momentum has been at any point in the negotiating process," a source said.
Trump threatens auto tariffs on Canada
Larry Kudlow, U.S. President Donald Trump's top economic adviser, praised the "pro-growth" deal Trump signed with his Mexican counterpart while warning the U.S. will only accept a "good deal with Canada" that includes some major concessions, including with respect to Canada's system of supply management for some farm sectors.
"That good deal by the way has to include, among other things, intellectual property rights but also it's got to include the dairy farm stuff," Kudlow said in an interview with Fox News Tuesday.
"There's a word that Canada has trouble with and it's M-I-L-K. Milk. Anything to do with milk and dairy — they have this government-run, centrally planned system and some tariffs run upwards of 300 per cent. They're going to have to fix that," he said.
Kudlow warned Trump has a large trade weapon in his arsenal if Canada balks at U.S. demands: massive tariffs on Canadian-made automobiles, which could make those vehicles
prohibitively expensive to the average American consumer thereby endangering our domestic industry.
"The president did say if he cannot satisfactorily negotiate with [Canada] he may have to go to a large 20 to 25 per cent tax on Canadian automobiles headed for the U.S. That's part of his negotiating strategy. I would take him seriously, but let's hope Canada comes on board. Let's take him seriously," the former TV personality turned White House official said.
Supply management
Trump has long called on Canada to dismantle the system of supply management, which allows specific commodity sectors — dairy, poultry and eggs — to limit the supply of their products to what Canadians are expected to consume in order to ensure predictable, stable prices.
That is then paired with the imposition of high tariffs on most foreign imports, a policy that makes these goods prohibitively expensive for Canadians, leaving domestic supply as virtually the only option for consumers.
The United States, in contrast, has largely maintained support for the farming sector through subsidies.
So Americans foot the bill for farm supports indirectly, through the taxes they pay, while Canadians pay for those supports directly, through higher prices for supply managed products.
Trudeau has vowed to protect Canada's existing farm policies.
With a file from The Canadian Press
Preliminary U.S.-Mexico trade deal leaves trail of questions unanswered for Canada
Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Freeland heads to Washington today in effort to restart negotiations
U.S. President Donald Trump's declaration of victory Monday in reaching a preliminary deal with Mexico to replace the North American Free Trade Agreement raised at least as many questions as it answered.
Can Canada, the third member country in NAFTA and America's No. 2 trading partner, be coaxed or coerced into a new pact?
If not, is it even legal — or politically feasible — for Trump to reach a replacement trade deal with Mexico alone?
"There are still a lot of questions left to be answered," said Peter MacKay, former minister of justice, defence and foreign affairs, who is now a partner at the law firm Baker McKenzie. "There is still a great deal of uncertainty — trepidation, nervousness, a feeling that we are on the outside looking in."
Trump was quick to proclaim the agreement a triumph, pointing to Monday's surge in the stock market, which was fuelled in part by the apparent breakthrough with Mexico.
"We just signed a trade agreement with Mexico, and it's a terrific agreement for everybody," the president declared. "It's an agreement that a lot of people said couldn't be done."
Freeland bound for Washington
Trump suggested that he might leave Canada out of a new agreement. He said he wanted to call the revamped trade pact "the United States-Mexico Trade Agreement" because, in his view, NAFTA has earned a reputation for being harmful to American workers.
But first, he said, he would give Canada a chance to get back in — "if they'd like to negotiate fairly." To intensify the pressure on Ottawa to agree to his terms, the president threatened to impose new taxes on Canadian auto imports.
Trump: We'll give Canada chance to join U.S.-Mexico trade deal
"We will only sign a new NAFTA that is good for Canada and good for the middle class," said Adam Austen, a spokesperson for Freeland, saying "Canada's signature is required."
Talking to reporters, the top White House economic adviser, Larry Kudlow, urged Canada to "come to the table."
"Let's make a great deal like we just made with Mexico," Kudlow said. "If not, the U.S.A. may have to take action."
Trilateral agreement 'imperative'
Critics denounced the prospect of cutting Canada out a North American trade pact, in part because of the risks it could pose for companies involved in international trade. Many manufacturers have built vital supply systems that depend on freely crossing all three NAFTA borders.
Noting the "massive amount of movement of goods between the three countries and the integration of operations," Jay Timmons, president of that U.S. National Association of Manufacturers, said "it is imperative that a trilateral agreement be inked."
Trump has frequently condemned the 24-year-old NAFTA trade pact as a job-killing "disaster" for American workers. NAFTA reduced most trade barriers between the three countries. The president and other critics say the pact encouraged U.S. manufacturers to move south of the border to exploit low-wage Mexican labour.
The U.S. Congress wouldn't vote on it until next year — after November midterm elections that could end Republican control of the House of Representatives. But initially, it looks like at least a tentative public relations victory for Trump, the week after his former campaign manager was convicted on financial crimes and his former personal attorney implicated him in hush money payments to two women who allege they had affairs with Trump.
Before the administration began negotiating a new NAFTA a year ago, it had notified Congress that it was beginning talks with Canada and Mexico. So Monday's announcement raises the question: Is the administration authorized to reach a deal with only one of those countries?
Republicans cautious
A senior administration official, who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity, said yes: The administration can tell Congress it had reached a deal with Mexico — and that Canada is welcome to join.
But other analysts said the answer wasn't clear: "It's a question that has never been tested," said Lori Wallach, director of the left-leaning Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch.
Mexico will have a difficult time selling 'Trump's deal' back home if Canada does not think it is a good deal.- Daniel Ujczo, trade lawyerEven a key Trump ally, Rep. Kevin Brady, the Texas Republican who chairs the House ways and means committee, expressed caution about Monday's apparent breakthrough. Brady said he looked forward "to carefully analyzing the details and consulting in the weeks ahead to determine whether the new proposal meets the trade priorities set out by Congress."
And the No. 2 Senate Republican, John Cornyn of Texas, while hailing Monday's news as a "positive step," said Canada needs to be party to a final deal.
"A trilateral agreement is the best path forward," Cornyn said, adding that millions of jobs were at stake.
There are political reasons to keep Canada inside the regional bloc.
"Mexico will have a difficult time selling 'Trump's deal' back home if Canada does not think it is a good deal," said Daniel Ujczo, a trade lawyer with Dickinson Wright PLLC. "It will appear that Mexico caved."
Delay over 'sunset clause'
Indeed, Mexico has said it wants Canada included in any new deal to replace NAFTA.
"We are very interested in this being an agreement of three countries," said president-elect Andres Manuel Lopez Observador. At the same time, Foreign Minister Luis Videgaray told reporters that "Mexico will have a free trade agreement regardless of the outcome" of U.S.-Canada negotiations.
The Office of the U.S. Trade Representative said Mexico had agreed to ensure that 75 per cent of automotive content be produced within the trade bloc (up from a current 62.5 per cent) to receive duty-free benefits, and that 40 per cent to 45 per cent be made by workers earning at least $16 an hour. Those changes are meant to encourage more auto production in the United States.
For Canada, a bad NAFTA deal is better than no deal at all
There are no poison pills left — only bitter ones for Canada to swallow
On Monday, U.S. President Donald Trump announced a preliminary trade deal with Mexico, signalling he may withdraw the U.S. from NAFTA unless Canada rejoins the talks on his terms. Trade lawyers will argue about the constitutionality of the president's threats, but Canada has no choice but to take them seriously.
Once again at the table, the U.S. will essentially offer us a take-it-or-leave-it deal based on the Mexico-U.S. negotiations. It will certainly be a worse deal for Canada than the NAFTA we have known for more than two decades, and Trump will force Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to either make serious concessions, or else be pushed aside.
To accept the Canadian government's mantra that "no deal is better than a bad deal" is to misread the situation. First, that view arrogantly overstates our economic importance to the Americans. Despite having a balanced trading relationship, 75 per cent of Canada's exports are bound for the U.S., while only 15 per cent of U.S. exports are destined for Canada. Our research on the post-Sept. 11 period demonstrates that American businesses can reorient those exports away from Canada when bilateral barriers to trade increase.
Second, the argument fundamentally misunderstands how the ground has shifted with Mexico since its incoming president was elected in July. President-elect Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador is anxious for NAFTA to be finalized so that he can focus on domestic matters, and both the U.S. and Mexico are using the transition period to accelerate a deal.
Failing to secure even a "bad deal" for Canada would be devastating for the country. In a situation where Canada walks away from a NAFTA-lite, President Trump has promised to get revenge by imposing punitive tariffs on Canada's auto sector. If introduced in the 25 per cent range, such action would be catastrophic to the Ontario economy, with job losses estimated by some at more than 100,000. With no NAFTA deal or regard for international trade rules, there is little to stop a petulant and vengeful president from introducing tariffs on other Canadian exports, or from obstructing cross-border flows of goods and people.
In essence, Trudeau is being forced to negotiate with a gun to his head. There are a range of matters still to be resolved, but it seems as though there are no poison pills left — only bitter ones for Canada to swallow.
For example, Mexico has agreed to raise its de minimis value — the threshold below which imports are free from duties and taxes — to $100 USD from $50 USD. That's something that Canada has long resisted, with our de minimis at a measly $20 CAD. I have long argued that Canada should offer to raise its de minimis level in order to make gains at the NAFTA table. Now that Mexico and the U.S. have reached agreement, we gain no leverage for this concession.
But in order for Canada to make the necessary political concessions on dairy, the U.S. will have to further revise its sunset clause proposal beyond its reported agreement with Mexico to make NAFTA a 16-year deal. Congress strongly opposes an automatic expiry clause, and Canada should continue to argue for its removal from the deal.
Once again at the table, the U.S. will essentially offer us a take-it-or-leave-it deal based on the Mexico-U.S. negotiations. It will certainly be a worse deal for Canada than the NAFTA we have known for more than two decades, and Trump will force Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to either make serious concessions, or else be pushed aside.
To accept the Canadian government's mantra that "no deal is better than a bad deal" is to misread the situation. First, that view arrogantly overstates our economic importance to the Americans. Despite having a balanced trading relationship, 75 per cent of Canada's exports are bound for the U.S., while only 15 per cent of U.S. exports are destined for Canada. Our research on the post-Sept. 11 period demonstrates that American businesses can reorient those exports away from Canada when bilateral barriers to trade increase.
Second, the argument fundamentally misunderstands how the ground has shifted with Mexico since its incoming president was elected in July. President-elect Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador is anxious for NAFTA to be finalized so that he can focus on domestic matters, and both the U.S. and Mexico are using the transition period to accelerate a deal.
In essence, Trudeau is being forced to negotiate with a gun to his head. There are a range of matters still to be resolved, but it seems as though there are no poison pills left — only bitter ones for Canada to swallow.
For example, Mexico has agreed to raise its de minimis value — the threshold below which imports are free from duties and taxes — to $100 USD from $50 USD. That's something that Canada has long resisted, with our de minimis at a measly $20 CAD. I have long argued that Canada should offer to raise its de minimis level in order to make gains at the NAFTA table. Now that Mexico and the U.S. have reached agreement, we gain no leverage for this concession.
- Trump announces U.S.-Mexico trade deal to replace NAFTA, and says 'we will see' if Canada can join
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But in order for Canada to make the necessary political concessions on dairy, the U.S. will have to further revise its sunset clause proposal beyond its reported agreement with Mexico to make NAFTA a 16-year deal. Congress strongly opposes an automatic expiry clause, and Canada should continue to argue for its removal from the deal.
In many respects, accepting a worse deal will be the price that Canada must pay for the Trudeau government's early missteps on NAFTA. From pre-emptively offering to negotiate the deal before President Trump ever asked, to ragging the puck on negotiations throughout, to criticizing Trump following his departure from the G7 meeting in Quebec: Trudeau's team placed Canada in the penalty box when it mattered most.
Trump: We'll give Canada chance to join U.S.-Mexico trade deal
Now that Mexico and the U.S. have moved forward without us, Trudeau must pay the piper and accept a worse NAFTA. If not, he should be clear-headed about the alternative: an all-out trade war with Trump. High tariffs and other trade barriers on many Canadian exporting sectors, the gutting of our auto sector, the end to NAFTA visas and easy cross-border movement for Canadians and other disruptions to our economy that we haven't yet predicted.
One day, Canada can seek to reopen NAFTA again — under a future U.S. administration that is less protectionist and more open to its historic friendship with Canada. Some Canadians will continue to hold out hope for the president's impeachment or for Congress to reject the deal. Perhaps those are future possibilities, especially if the balance of power in Congress shifts following the midterm elections in a few months. But American legislators have done little to curb their rogue president so far and time's up for Trudeau. He has to negotiate now.
One day, Canada can seek to reopen NAFTA again — under a future U.S. administration that is less protectionist and more open to its historic friendship with Canada. Some Canadians will continue to hold out hope for the president's impeachment or for Congress to reject the deal. Perhaps those are future possibilities, especially if the balance of power in Congress shifts following the midterm elections in a few months. But American legislators have done little to curb their rogue president so far and time's up for Trudeau. He has to negotiate now.
Trump announces U.S.-Mexico trade deal to replace NAFTA, and says 'we will see' if Canada can join
PMO says Trudeau and Trump held 'constructive conversation'; Freeland heads to Washington
Trump: We'll give Canada chance to join U.S.-Mexico trade deal
U.S. President Donald Trump announced a new trade agreement with Mexico Monday that he says will replace the North American Free Trade Agreement.
Will Canada can be part of it? "We will see," Trump said, suggesting that if Canada is prepared to negotiate fairly it should be simple. He said the U.S. would put automotive tariffs on Canadian imports if talks don't succeed.
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland is now on her way to Washington to join the talks.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Trump had a "constructive conversation" about the talks Monday, according to a readout of the call issued by the Prime Minister's Office.
"The leaders welcomed the progress that has been made in discussions with Mexico and look forward to having their teams engage this week with a view to a successful conclusion of negotiations," the PMO said in a statement.
"They want a negotiated deal very badly," Trump said of the Trudeau government earlier Monday, adding that applying car tariffs would be easier to do than working out an agreement with the third NAFTA partner.
"Perhaps the other [a deal] would be much better for Canada," he said.
Was that a threat?
"Absolutely not," Transport Minister Marc Garneau, speaking on behalf of the government, told CBC News Network's Power & Politics.
"Now we're going to be back at the table to negotiate a deal trilaterally."
Trump said the name NAFTA has a "lot of bad connotations to a lot of people" and suggested renaming the agreement the U.S.-Mexico free trade agreement.
While he was speaking to reporters in the Oval Office, Trump had Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto on speakerphone. After a few technical difficulties establishing the call, Pena Nieto emphasized repeatedly that Canada now needed to join the talks so it could be incorporated into the agreement.
The Mexican president said that negotiations are now required on "sensitive" bilateral matters between the U.S. and Canada.
Currently, NAFTA's agriculture provisions are composed of a series of three bilateral deals, so changes must be renegotiated separately for this chapter, for example.
U.S. trade representative Robert Lighthizer, who was congratulated by Trump for reaching the deal with Mexico, said they hoped to conclude talks with Canada by Friday in order to comply with the 90-day window required by Congress before a deal could be signed with the outgoing Mexican administration. Pena Nieto leaves office on Dec. 1.
Trump again mentioned Canada's "300 per cent" dairy tariffs as an issue between the two countries.
The U.S. president said American farmers "are going to be so happy" with this deal.
"Farmers have stuck with me," Trump said, adding that "Mexico has promised to immediately start purchasing as much farm products as they can."
However, it's unclear if the U.S. will withdraw its tariffs on Mexican steel and aluminum imports. Earlier this summer, Mexico retaliated with high tariffs on some U.S. farm exports.
Earlier Monday, Mexico's economy minister, Ildefonso Guajardo, told reporters on his way into his fifth week of bilateral meetings with the Americans that he still had to conclude a "very important" issue. It's unclear whether this issue is now resolved.
The U.S.-Mexico negotiators have been trying to make a breakthrough on the deal's automotive chapter, after talks to redefine what should constitute a tariff-free North American vehicle broke down prior to the Mexican presidential election in July.
The revised rules will require 75 per cent of auto content to be made in the United States and Mexico, up from 62.5 per cent, and 40-45 per cent of auto content to be made by workers earning at least $16 per hour.
It's unclear, however, what will happen to automotive imports from Mexico that do not comply with these new rules. The U.S. tariff for non-NAFTA car imports is currently 2.5 per cent, a rate that does not provide a significant incentive to make costly changes to comply with the new rules.
U.S. officials briefing reporters later said the U.S.-Mexico deal wasn't designed to put pressure on anyone, and it wasn't a negotiating strategy meant to isolate Canada. It's hard to get three people to agree at the same time, the official said, characterizing the sequencing as a normal, ordinary way to come to an agreement.
Canada has been part of the talks over the last year, the official said — it's not like the Canadians are just coming in at the last minute.
Rather than a five-year sunset clause, as originally proposed by the U.S., this new deal would set a 16-year term for the trade agreement, with a review process after six years to consider whether the deal would be renewed for another 16-year term. Officials briefing reporters said this longer period of time would protect the interests of investors.
Reporters were also told that the new deal represents an improvement for every sector over the previous NAFTA.
Lighthizer has spoken repeatedly of wanting a deal that can receive bi-partisan support in Congress, and strict labour requirements for Mexico were thought to be key to securing votes from Democrats in Congress.
Investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) provisions, contained in the current NAFTA's Chapter 11, are also dialed back, but not removed entirely.
Industries that sign direct contracts with governments — oil and gas, infrastructure, other energy providers and telecommunications — will continue to have protection under what an official called "old-fashioned" ISDS.
It also includes new measures on digital trade, financial services and intellectual property — all improvements the U.S. had sought in the Trans-Pacific Partnership — and officials suggested the new provisions exceed those the U.S. negotiated in the TPP, to which both Canada and Mexico were signatories.
The new agreement also includes a textiles chapter, to limit the use of inputs that don't originate in North America in the apparel trade, and stronger environmental provisions than the original NAFTA.
The Mexicans have agreed to increase the value of their "de minimis" shipment level to $100 US from $50 — shipments under this dollar amount enter Mexico without customs duties or taxes, and with minimal formal entry procedures.
Right now Canada's de minimis level is only $20 Cdn, raising the question of whether Canada now needs to increase its own level to be part of this deal. Such an increase might be welcomed by cross-border shoppers in Canada, but hurt Canadian retailers.
Mexico has also agreed to increase intellectual property protection for biologics drugs. The TPP would have offered eight years of protection, but this deal offers up to 10 years.
Canada has not been part of the marathon talks, now in their fifth week in Washington. But an official suggested Canada would join them Monday afternoon.
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland is on government business in Germany, but received updates from both the Americans and the Mexicans throughout the weekend.
"Given the encouraging announcement today of further bilateral progress between the U.S. and Mexico, Minister Freeland will travel to Washington, D.C., tomorrow to continue negotiations," said a spokesperson for her office. "We will only sign a new NAFTA that is good for Canada and good for the middle class."
"Canada's signature is required," Freeland's office emphasized.
Guajardo said Sunday that once Canada returns to the table the three parties would need at least another week of negotiations.
In a tweet prior to Trump's announcement, Pena Nieto said he had spoken to Trudeau to express the importance of Canada rejoining the trilateral talks this week.
Will Canada can be part of it? "We will see," Trump said, suggesting that if Canada is prepared to negotiate fairly it should be simple. He said the U.S. would put automotive tariffs on Canadian imports if talks don't succeed.
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland is now on her way to Washington to join the talks.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Trump had a "constructive conversation" about the talks Monday, according to a readout of the call issued by the Prime Minister's Office.
"The leaders welcomed the progress that has been made in discussions with Mexico and look forward to having their teams engage this week with a view to a successful conclusion of negotiations," the PMO said in a statement.
"Perhaps the other [a deal] would be much better for Canada," he said.
Was that a threat?
"Absolutely not," Transport Minister Marc Garneau, speaking on behalf of the government, told CBC News Network's Power & Politics.
"Now we're going to be back at the table to negotiate a deal trilaterally."
While he was speaking to reporters in the Oval Office, Trump had Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto on speakerphone. After a few technical difficulties establishing the call, Pena Nieto emphasized repeatedly that Canada now needed to join the talks so it could be incorporated into the agreement.
The Mexican president said that negotiations are now required on "sensitive" bilateral matters between the U.S. and Canada.
Currently, NAFTA's agriculture provisions are composed of a series of three bilateral deals, so changes must be renegotiated separately for this chapter, for example.
U.S. trade representative Robert Lighthizer, who was congratulated by Trump for reaching the deal with Mexico, said they hoped to conclude talks with Canada by Friday in order to comply with the 90-day window required by Congress before a deal could be signed with the outgoing Mexican administration. Pena Nieto leaves office on Dec. 1.
High-stakes talks now with Canada
Trump again mentioned Canada's "300 per cent" dairy tariffs as an issue between the two countries.
The U.S. president said American farmers "are going to be so happy" with this deal.
"Farmers have stuck with me," Trump said, adding that "Mexico has promised to immediately start purchasing as much farm products as they can."
Earlier Monday, Mexico's economy minister, Ildefonso Guajardo, told reporters on his way into his fifth week of bilateral meetings with the Americans that he still had to conclude a "very important" issue. It's unclear whether this issue is now resolved.
The revised rules will require 75 per cent of auto content to be made in the United States and Mexico, up from 62.5 per cent, and 40-45 per cent of auto content to be made by workers earning at least $16 per hour.
It's unclear, however, what will happen to automotive imports from Mexico that do not comply with these new rules. The U.S. tariff for non-NAFTA car imports is currently 2.5 per cent, a rate that does not provide a significant incentive to make costly changes to comply with the new rules.
U.S. officials briefing reporters later said the U.S.-Mexico deal wasn't designed to put pressure on anyone, and it wasn't a negotiating strategy meant to isolate Canada. It's hard to get three people to agree at the same time, the official said, characterizing the sequencing as a normal, ordinary way to come to an agreement.
Canada has been part of the talks over the last year, the official said — it's not like the Canadians are just coming in at the last minute.
Compromise reached on sunset clause
Rather than a five-year sunset clause, as originally proposed by the U.S., this new deal would set a 16-year term for the trade agreement, with a review process after six years to consider whether the deal would be renewed for another 16-year term. Officials briefing reporters said this longer period of time would protect the interests of investors.
Reporters were also told that the new deal represents an improvement for every sector over the previous NAFTA.
Lighthizer has spoken repeatedly of wanting a deal that can receive bi-partisan support in Congress, and strict labour requirements for Mexico were thought to be key to securing votes from Democrats in Congress.
Industries that sign direct contracts with governments — oil and gas, infrastructure, other energy providers and telecommunications — will continue to have protection under what an official called "old-fashioned" ISDS.
It also includes new measures on digital trade, financial services and intellectual property — all improvements the U.S. had sought in the Trans-Pacific Partnership — and officials suggested the new provisions exceed those the U.S. negotiated in the TPP, to which both Canada and Mexico were signatories.
The new agreement also includes a textiles chapter, to limit the use of inputs that don't originate in North America in the apparel trade, and stronger environmental provisions than the original NAFTA.
The Mexicans have agreed to increase the value of their "de minimis" shipment level to $100 US from $50 — shipments under this dollar amount enter Mexico without customs duties or taxes, and with minimal formal entry procedures.
Right now Canada's de minimis level is only $20 Cdn, raising the question of whether Canada now needs to increase its own level to be part of this deal. Such an increase might be welcomed by cross-border shoppers in Canada, but hurt Canadian retailers.
Mexico has also agreed to increase intellectual property protection for biologics drugs. The TPP would have offered eight years of protection, but this deal offers up to 10 years.
Canada has not been part of the marathon talks, now in their fifth week in Washington. But an official suggested Canada would join them Monday afternoon.
Freeland returning from Europe
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland is on government business in Germany, but received updates from both the Americans and the Mexicans throughout the weekend.
"Given the encouraging announcement today of further bilateral progress between the U.S. and Mexico, Minister Freeland will travel to Washington, D.C., tomorrow to continue negotiations," said a spokesperson for her office. "We will only sign a new NAFTA that is good for Canada and good for the middle class."
"Canada's signature is required," Freeland's office emphasized.
Guajardo said Sunday that once Canada returns to the table the three parties would need at least another week of negotiations.
In a tweet prior to Trump's announcement, Pena Nieto said he had spoken to Trudeau to express the importance of Canada rejoining the trilateral talks this week.
Hablé con el Primer Ministro de Canadá, @JustinTrudeau, sobre el estado de las negociaciones del TLCAN y el avance entre México y EUA. Le expresé la importancia de su reincorporación al proceso, con la finalidad de concluir una negociación trilateral esta misma semana.
A release from Trudeau's office Monday confirmed the pair spoke on Sunday and discussed the ongoing negotiations.
U.S. officials downplayed talk of tension between Trudeau and Trump during their briefing.
Officials said that ideally Canada will be included in the agreement notified to Congress by the end of the week. Otherwise, the Trump administration will notify Congress that it has reached an agreement with Mexico, and it is open to Canada joining it in the future.
They said it would be a better agreement with all three countries.
With files from CBC's Katie Simpson, Reuters