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The LIEbranos show us their nasty arses about their continued support of the rape of Crown land just before the election

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/forest-management-strategy-new-brunswick-crown-land-1.4784581



Liberals will maintain Crown wood allocations Tories gave to big companies

New forest management strategy will add 150,000 hectares of Crown land to forest conservation areas

Bobbi-Jean MacKinnon· CBC News· Posted: Aug 14, 2018



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David Amos 
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David Amos
Methinks the MLA David Coon and Green Party leader should be offended that CBC blanks out his name in its comment sections N'esy Pas?

"Green Party Leader David Coon contends it's already too late.

"Unfortunately, the horse has already left the barn," he tweeted.

"The Liberals waited too long to reinstate the conservation forest. Much of the important old forest has already been clear cut or will be in the next [five] years."





David Amos
David Amos
Methinks everybody knows by now that I have no faith in anything Roberta Clowater or David Coon or the Mi'gmaq Chiefs may say about anything for very legitimate reasons N'esy Pas?





Paul Bourgoin 
Paul Bourgoin
The governing Liberals plan to maintain the controversial Crown land cheap timber allocations given to New Brunswick's big forestry companies thus closing the price negotiation door for private woodlot owners to sell their wood at a fair competitive price!


David Amos
David Amos
@Paul Bourgoin Methinks folks should not forget the very questionable JDI lawsuit against SNB as well N'esy Pas?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/j-d-irving-launches-suit-against-woodlot-groups-1.3962317

J.D. Irving launches suit against woodlot groups

Legal action follows attempt by SNB board to assert authority over wood purchases





David Amos 
David Amos
"Jason Limongelli, vice-president of woodlands for J.D. Irving Ltd., the province's largest forestry company, said Tuesday's announcement came as a surprise and is "concerning in the absence of any consultation."

Methinks the last thing the JDI guys were was surprised N'esy Pas?





David Amos 
David Amos
More Deja Vu from a Conservative point of view This is CBC work not mine N'esy Pas?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-crown-forest-plan-criticized-by-ex-dnr-ministers-1.2632056

New Crown forest plan criticized by ex-DNR ministers

"I don't know who is controlling everything right now," he said.Volpé said he's tried to talk to members of the Alward cabinet about the forestry plan, but hasn't been successful.

"It doesn't even seem to be the politicians to tell you the truth.

"It seems like the lobbying power of the some of the industries is so great now that they don't even go to all the politicians, they go to one or two and this is how decisions are being made. This is scary," said Volpé."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/irving-natural-resources-crown-land-forestry-marketing-boards-1.4474896

Natural resources minister in Alward government says Irving letter got him fired

"Pressure from Jim Irving led former premier David Alward to switch natural resources ministers, says Bruce Northrup, speaking for the first time about how he lost the portfolio in a cabinet shuffle four years ago.

The shuffle came months after Irving, the co-CEO of J.D. Irving Ltd., sent a frankly worded letter to the Progressive Conservative premier, expressing frustration that Northrup seemed opposed to increasing how much Crown land should be made available to industry.

In the letter, Irving attacks decisions Northrup made, saying they were disruptive and hasty and showed a lack of understanding of the consequences."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-blaine-higgs-forestry-negotiated-deal-progressive-conservative-1.4498851

Blaine Higgs open to changing PC-negotiated forestry deal





 David Amos 
David Amos
Methinks folks may enjoy a little Deja Vu because it was about 30 years ago that the liberals under Frank McKenna removed private wood as the primary source of wood supply in the province N'esy Pas?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/legislature-coon-woodlots-doucet-forestry-1.4448805

"Minister Rick Doucet appeared to admonish Coon for raising the issue at a time when the province is fighting punitive trade tariffs imposed by the U.S. Commerce Department.

"It's about time we started to stand up for the mills in this province," Doucet said to loud cheers from members of the Liberal caucus.

"Things have changed in the last 30 years."





 David Amos 
David Amos
"William Richards, chair of the Southern New Brunswick Forest Products Marketing Board, said he is "disappointed."

Methinks Mr Richards has every right to be "disappointed" but the last thing he should be is surprised N'esy Pas?





 David Amos 
David Amos
"Mike Legere, executive director of Forest NB, an industry organization that does not include J.D. Irving, said it's too soon to comment on what the impact on the sector will be. "The devil will be in the details," he said."

Methinks that is true because that is where the devil always is N'esy Pas?

Paul Bourgoin
Paul Bourgoin
@David Amos
Jason Limongelli, vice-president of woodlands for J.D. Irving Ltd., the province's largest forestry company, said Tuesday's announcement came as a surprise and is "concerning in the absence of any consultation." YEAH RIGHT!!!"

David Amos
David Amos
@Paul Bourgoin At least the latest Minister cannot deny that he invited my input before the last election N'esy Pas?

---------- Original message ----------
From: "Doucet, Rick (LEG)"
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 01:07:58 +0000
Subject: RE: Final Docs
To: David Amos

Will get right on this.
Always look forward to your brilliant thoughts.
R

Hon.Rick Doucet
Legislative member for Charlotte-the isles
28 Mt.Pleasant Rd.
St.George, N.B. E5C 3K4






Chantal LeBouthi
Chantal LeBouthi
NB poeples need to get mad and protect forests and rivers  
 

Norman Albert Snr
Norman Albert Snr
@Chantal LeBouthi They are Mad. Mad as a hatter!!!

Those who finally get fed up with it move. We are the only province in Canada with a declining population growth rate even with the increase in immigrants taking up temporary residency here. They are not rooted here. They will go where the grass is greener and who could blame them when those rooted here are leaving. The reasons are clear (Irving Domination in almost all sectors). This is not the promise land Chantal.

 
David Amos
David Amos 
@Chantal LeBouthi Methinks David Coon and his blogging buddy Chucky Leblanc in particular know that I have been mad for years. N'esy Pas?

This is a quote from an Irving owned newspaper the Kings County Record from the time when I ran in the election of the 38th Parliament in 2004 that I posted with Chucky's blog the following year not long before I ran in Fredericton in the election of the 39th Parliament.

http://oldmaison.blogspot.com/2005/09/sussex-gold-found-and-bernard-lords.html

The Unconventional Candidate

David Amos Isn’t Campaigning For Your Vote, But….

By Gisele McKnight

FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."

Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos.

"What he’s fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes’ gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.

"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I’m death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window.

NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico.

Amos disagrees with the idea that a vote for him is a wasted vote.

"There are no wasted votes," he said. "I want people like me, especially young people, to pay attention and exercise their right. Don’t necessarily vote for me, but vote."




  
Norman Albert Snr
Redmond O'Hanlon
New Brunswick is one big corporate controlled mono culture tree farm. Old growth forests are nearly non existent and deer wintering habitat is all but destroyed. Seems like the Americans aren't fooled by the giveaway either.


Norman Albert Snr
Norman Albert Snr
@Redmond O'Hanlon Once you peel back the cover there is no really difference in the two governing parties here. The do exactly as they are told by corporate (Irving) interests. There is NO democracy under corporate rule.

David Amos
David Amos
@Redmond O'Hanlon I agree


David Amos
David Amos
@Norman Albert Snr YUP


  


Allan J Whitney

Chantal LeBouthi
Doing clear cutting in 2018 is pathetic

David Amos
David Amos
@Chantal LeBouthi Methinks you should read my first reply to you before it goes "Poof" N'esy Pas?





Allan J Whitney   
Rosco holt
We see who controls the province.


Rosco holt
Rosco holt
@Dianne MacPherson
How much does these "jobs" cost the rest of NBers?

How much sacrifice most we keep giving?
The province is dying because it's run to profit the chosen few, who send their billions offshore.

Dianne MacPherson
Dianne MacPherson
@Rosco holt
How much do we "sacrifice" when Govt. wastes
money bringing in Companies supposed to
bring jobs ????
At least the forest is ours !!!

Rosco holt
Rosco holt
@Dianne MacPherson
We sacrifice too much, to get little in return.
When a government entity that's business is to invest taxpayers money in businesses, won't give data on the performance of their "investments".

Alarms should go off, law enforcement should be called.

Dianne MacPherson
Dianne MacPherson
@Rosco holt
Govts. do what the voter allows them to do
when they go to the voting booth !!!!!
Those "alarms" are ear-piercing,
wouldn't you say ???

Rosco holt
Rosco holt
@Dianne MacPherson
Yep, after 4 years at election time. If they've been in government before they are booted out. They qualify for their golden pension.

If they've been a good little puppet, they're rewarded with job on corporate boards(Lord, McKenna, etc...) or another government job(Alward).

That's showing them. LoL


Gil Murray
Gil Murray
@Dianne MacPherson The forest is ours?? Really? Lets see, forest companies (local and foreign) control crown land through very, very long term contracts guaranteeing their long-term financial position. This is most of "your" forest which accounts for 70% of NB total forested lands. The rest is in the hands of private woodlot owners and industrial freehold.
Getting real job numbers is very difficult unless you believe the Irving news rags. Most are seasonal at that.


David Amos
David Amos
@Gil Murray "Lets see, forest companies (local and foreign) control crown land through very, very long term contracts guaranteeing their long-term financial position. "

Methinks the contracts would be legal if our corrupt politicians had not made backroom deals with those greedy companies N'esy Pas?


Allan J Whitney 
Allan J Whitney
The forests of New Brunswick are a fantastically valuable treasure.
Stop giving them away to giant foreign operators that shave them right down to the stone and leave a shameful DESERT.


Colin Seeley
Colin Seeley
@Allan J Whitney

A few question for you based on your generalizations:

What is the acreage of the valuable forest lands of NB.?

What is the annual acreage of forests that have been shaved by foreign and domestic operators ?

How much revenue is given back to Govt of NB by these operators and is NB getting fair price returns ?


David Amos
David Amos
@Colin Seeley Methinks your questions are pointless Everybody knows that the the bottom line is that GNB loses money on the rape of OUR Crown Land N'esy Pas?


 


Rosco holt
William Reed
They are just as complicit as the Cons at throwing sweetheart deals to Irving then . This whole thing was onerous to begin with, a last minute give-away by a floundering government about to be thrown out. Now, all of a sudden, it must stay because no one wants to give away revenue when one has his hands on it. This is why you fight to not allow these things to get started immediately after they are done. The same would be true of fracking. Do not let them ever start.

Rosco holt
Rosco holt
@William Reed
What do you expect, they are bought just like the Cons are.

David Amos
David Amos
@Rosco holt YUP






Samuel Porter 
Samuel Porter
Check out latest successful ruling against glycophosphate. A 289 million dollar ruling against them for a man who got cancer using roundup. Same chemicals being used in NB.


David Amos
David Amos
@Samuel Porter I new about that as soon as the news broke on that monumental decision. At a local level methinks many employees of GNB know that I was in touch with Monsanto's lawyers before I went to the last showing of the play "SEEDS" at the Playhouse In Fat Fred City. I would wager that David **** and many others can still remember that before I took my front row centre seat the very pretty actress petted me like an old bear because she liked my hair and beard N'esy Pas?







Samuel Porter 
Samuel Porter
" wild " blueberries are being sprayed an poisoning our land.


Norman Albert Snr
Norman Albert Snr
@Samuel Porter Monsanto/Bayer just lost their case pertaining to their use of Glyphosate as was the reason for Dr Cleary's sudden firing. They were ordered to Pay $289M. We could probably go after the Government and Irving for 10X that amount in class action.

David Amos
David Amos
@Samuel Porter Methinks you and anyone else who truly cares should Google "Harper and Bankers" to find an old letter of mine published on the Internet in 2006. Folks should enjoy look for a certain name of the wealthy dude they call The Oracle of Oxford, N.S. who is the blueberry king of the Maritimes among other things. Trust that Frank McKenna (who also addressed in the letter) and many other politicians know that The Oracle's nephew was once a liberal MLA in Nova Scotia N'esy Pas?






Liberals will maintain Crown wood allocations Tories gave to big companies

New forest management strategy will add 150,000 hectares of Crown land to forest conservation areas


The forestry sector employs more than 24,000 people in New Brunswick, according to the government. (Canadian Press)


The governing Liberals plan to maintain the controversial Crown land timber allocations given to New Brunswick's big forestry companies by the previous Progressive Conservative government, Department of Energy and Resource Development Minister Rick Doucet announced Tuesday.

But the government plans to add 150,000 hectares, or 1,500 square kilometres, to Crown conservation areas over the next five years as part of the province's new forest management strategy, he said in Saint John.

Doucet did not provide any specifics as to how both goals will be achieved.
"The only way we're going to get there is we've got to dialogue," he said. "We have to be continuing to talk to each other."

The government said the review included discussions with "dozens of groups and individuals," including environmentalists, industry representatives, private woodlot owners and biologists.


Energy and Resource Development Minister Rick Doucet said he believes the same type of dialogue and working together used in the review can also solve problems between private woodlot marketing boards and companies that are now bypassing them through the use of 'direct contracts.' (Connell Smith/CBC)
But several stakeholders told CBC News they were not consulted.

Other criticisms from big and small companies, environmentalists and First Nations alike had to do with the lack of details, not moving fast enough to protect the environment, and the impact on Aboriginal and treaty rights.

The new strategy comes just weeks before the provincial election scheduled for Sept. 24. It is based on the department's review of the David Alward government's 2014 forest management strategy, as promised by Brian Gallant and his Liberals in their 2014 election platform.

Jason Limongelli, vice-president of woodlands for J.D. Irving Ltd., the province's largest forestry company, said Tuesday's announcement came as a surprise and is "concerning in the absence of any consultation."

"In addition to the environment, we urge government to undertake a fact-based review to carefully consider the impacts on people, businesses and communities across New Brunswick that depend on this sector," he said in an emailed statement.

Need competitive, growing supply


JDI has invested more than $450 million in modernizing its mills and other operations and building the skills of its workforce since 2014.

"These and future investments depend on a competitive and growing wood supply," Limongelli said, declining further comment until the company understands how the government intends to achieve its goal.

The Alward government's 2014 forest management strategy, which was also released shortly before a provincial election, was also met with condemnation.
The Liberals waited too long to reinstate the conservation forest. Much of the important old forest has already been clear cut or will be in the next [five] years. -  David Coon, Green Party leader
That plan boosted the amount of softwood that industrial forest operations could cut on Crown land annually by 20 per cent, or 660,000 cubic metres, by reducing the amount of Crown land that was off-limits to them, such as old growth forest and deer wintering habitat, to 23 per cent from the traditional level of 30 per cent.

Graham Forbes, a forestry professor at the University of New Brunswick, referred to it as "an abject fail" at the time. He was one of 184 academics who had called on the Alward government to halt implementation of the plan.

Roberta Clowater, the executive director of the New Brunswick chapter of the Canadian Parks and Wilderness Society, had described the Tory plan as "really regressive" and said she didn't believe the forest eco-system would be able to sustain the increased pressure on public land.

Doucet told reporters Tuesday that adding 150,000 hectares will bring the conservation levels back up to about 28 per cent.

The location of the 150,000 hectares has yet to be identified.

Clowater said the new plan is an improvement, noting long-term conservation of biodiversity has been identified as a priority.

Other issues identified as needing improvement include:
  • Increasing transparency and accountability when it comes to Crown land management.
  • Growing a healthy and productive forest.
  • Respecting the rights and developing the interests of First Nations.
  • Creating a vibrant and competitive forest sector.
"The question we have," said Clowater, "is who is going to be involved in making those decisions and can we speed up the timeline a little bit?

"Over the last five years there's been a lot of cutting in many of those areas, so we're waiting to see the details about how and where they're going to add that conservation forest back into the system, and also we're wondering what level of protection they're going to give to those forests."


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Today the gov't released its review of its forest management strategy. Unfortunately, the horse has already left the barn. The liberals waited too long to reinstate the conservation forest. Much of the important old forest has already been clear cut or will be in the next 5 years

Green Party Leader David Coon contends it's already too late.

"Unfortunately, the horse has already left the barn," he tweeted.

"The Liberals waited too long to reinstate the conservation forest. Much of the important old forest has already been clear cut or will be in the next [five] years."

'Further action' possible


 The Mi'gmaq Chiefs of New Brunswick said the group was not adequately consulted during the review and is "still deeply concerned" about the impacts the forest strategy and forest agreements will have on their treaty rights to hunt, fish and gather, as well as on the health of New Brunswick's forests.

The chiefs contend the government failed to address their concerns about a clause in the agreements, which they say gives licence-holders a veto over forest management practices.

"This is something that should be worrisome to all New Brunswickers, the chiefs said in an emailed statement.

"The practice of giving too much power, access and, essentially subsidies, to corporate interests has to be reviewed."

The chiefs said they will continue to speak with their communities and others in the forest sector and "look at what further action will need to be taken."

'Devil will be in the details'


Mike Legere, executive director of Forest NB, an industry organization that does not include J.D. Irving, said it's too soon to comment on what the impact on the sector will be.

"The devil will be in the details," he said.

Putting 150,000 hectares "back into conservation is a change, make no mistake about that. … Anytime you put additional land into conservation, that is a constraint."

Legere did say industry has followed through on its 2014 pledge to make investments, based on the increased allocation.

"We've had employment created, we've had over $750 million in investment, there's been additional purchase of private wood. Those things have been delivered on and I think anything that changes the formula here has to be looked at closely."

Doucet said $500 million of investment has taken place with another $400 million expected.

Not much to show for 3 years of review


William Richards, chair of the Southern New Brunswick Forest Products Marketing Board, said he is "disappointed."

"It sounds a little bit weak to take three years to do a review. And then essentially no change."

He hoped to see more support for the approximately 4,000 private woodlot owners the group represents, which comprises 30 per cent of the forested land in New Brunswick, he said.

"They have said essentially they are going to respect the contracts which were signed by the Alward government with industry and that is for the amount of wood supply which can be taken off Crown land," Richards said.

"So that same supply is going to be there tomorrow as it is today, only taken off a smaller portion of land. It calls into question the long-term management plan: Is it really sustainable?"

Could help trade talks


Treasury Board president Roger Melanson, who is also the minister responsible for trade policy, expects some of the changes to the strategy will address concerns raised by the United States government during negotiations to restore New Brunswick's exemption from softwood lumber tariffs
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The government is working hard to "achieve the best possible outcome" in its negotiations with the United States on softwood lumber tariffs, Melanson said in a statement.

The changes "are important to these talks and put us in an even better position," he said.

Further changes will be considered, if necessary, to help resolve the trade issue, the government release said.

The forestry industry is a vital component of the province's economy, employing more than 24,000 people, said Doucet.

"We need to ensure it is sustainable."

The new forest management strategy was scheduled to be announced last Friday in Fredericton, but the news conference was cancelled after the shooting that claimed the lives of two city police officers and two civilians.


With files from Connell Smith







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