http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/inheritance-tax-ccpa-1.4767137
Richard Smith
Lee HUI
Jennifer McIsaac
mike holy
Roland Reimer
Edward Water
Perhaps you are just looking at the accumulated wealth rather than what was done to create that wealth in the first place. Socialism does not move people away from poverty, that is why Russia and China are pursuing capitalism. That is why the best countries in the world have capitalism. When was the last time you went to the poor neighborhoods and gave away your wages? If you have more than the poor people then you should share it first before you ask the government to share out everyone elses wealth.
Simon McVeigh
Richard McIntyre
Mike Heart
John Smythe
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/opinion-lynne-fernandez-manitoba-kpmg-report-1.4344664
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/banks-got-114b-from-governments-during-recession-1.1145997
Lack of inheritance tax is making inequality worse, think-tank study suggests
Canada is the only G7 country without a federal inheritance tax
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Richard Smith
If someone works hard and saves their money, they should be able to leave that money for their children. Why should it be taken away and redistributed to someone else via taxation?
David Amos
@Richard Smith I concur
Lee HUI
There is no inheritance tax but there are capital gains at Fair Market Value plus probate fees which are both a disguised form of inheritance tax...
glen spryszak
@Lee HUI
Robbing the dead. Disgusting.
Robbing the dead. Disgusting.
David Amos
@glen spryszak YUP
Jennifer McIsaac
I have always thought that inheritance taxes are unfair. You work hard for a living, pay your income taxes and manage your finances well - only to have yet more taxes on your nest egg to punsdi you for being financially competent.
While others who blow every penny as they spend it, then rely on welfare programs when they are old are totally free of this obligation.
Why would anyone save for the future if they are punished for it?
We need to encourage wise financial management rather than punish it in my opinion.
Now if this is all about wealth disparity then we need to loo at ways to encourage wage improvements over your life such that the very well remunerated and lowest paid are not so far apart
While others who blow every penny as they spend it, then rely on welfare programs when they are old are totally free of this obligation.
Why would anyone save for the future if they are punished for it?
We need to encourage wise financial management rather than punish it in my opinion.
Now if this is all about wealth disparity then we need to loo at ways to encourage wage improvements over your life such that the very well remunerated and lowest paid are not so far apart
David Amos
@Jennifer McIsaac I agree
mike holy
the alt left even wants to tax death now
and they still wonder how they destroy everything they touch
and they still wonder how they destroy everything they touch
David Amos
@mike holy Methinks it is just another on those things the fake left does that some folks fail to appreciate N'esy Pas?
Roland Reimer
This is exactly how Trudeau came by his wealth and his Prime Ministership.
He inherited it.
He inherited it.
David Amos
@Roland Reimer Methinks the CCPA economist David Macdonald loves to talk the talk and CBC loves to quote him but common folk won't have much luck trying to talk to either of them N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Edward Water
The Left never misses an opportunity to tax the wealth created by other people to spend on propping up individuals too lazy to make the slightest effort to improve their lot in life. Equality of opportunity is does not imply equality of outcome. Nor should it.
Doug James
@George Young
Perhaps you are just looking at the accumulated wealth rather than what was done to create that wealth in the first place. Socialism does not move people away from poverty, that is why Russia and China are pursuing capitalism. That is why the best countries in the world have capitalism. When was the last time you went to the poor neighborhoods and gave away your wages? If you have more than the poor people then you should share it first before you ask the government to share out everyone elses wealth.
David Allan
@Edward Water
Name one multi-millionaire who didn't make their money on the backs of minimum wage earners.
Just one.
Name one multi-millionaire who didn't make their money on the backs of minimum wage earners.
Just one.
Jack O Hill
@David Allan
Bill Gates.
Bill Gates.
Steven Arsenault
@David Allan
That guy who owns Magna. And btw I support your positions.
That guy who owns Magna. And btw I support your positions.
David Allan
@Jack O Hill
"Bill Gates."
Born to a wealthy family.
Do you honestly think that Microsoft never hired anyone at minimum wage?
Think about that.
"Bill Gates."
Born to a wealthy family.
Do you honestly think that Microsoft never hired anyone at minimum wage?
Think about that.
David Allan
@Steven Arsenault
"That guy who owns Magna."
Frank Stronach?
You think minimum wage wasn't involved in the manufacture and distribution of auto parts?
Stroll down the auto parts aisles of Canadian Tire and tell me they aren't minimum wage employees.
"That guy who owns Magna."
Frank Stronach?
You think minimum wage wasn't involved in the manufacture and distribution of auto parts?
Stroll down the auto parts aisles of Canadian Tire and tell me they aren't minimum wage employees.
David Amos
@David Allan 'Name one multi-millionaire who didn't make their money on the backs of minimum wage earners. "
Methinks I can name a lot of artists and sport personalities why do I have pick just one? That said the old song and dance man Bob Dylan who be a fine example N'esy Pas?
Methinks I can name a lot of artists and sport personalities why do I have pick just one? That said the old song and dance man Bob Dylan who be a fine example N'esy Pas?
Simon McVeigh
My family earned it through hard work and ALL our sacrifices... My family should get to keep it... keep your hands of others' money ! Simple... dunno why the government should feel entitled to more... except of course, it's easier to keep going into the well, rather than be fiscally prudent. It's easy to spend OPM...
David Allan
@Simon McVeigh
What business is your family in?
Remember, if it's a business you should all be partners and have no inheritance to worry about.
What business is your family in?
Remember, if it's a business you should all be partners and have no inheritance to worry about.
David Amos
@Simon McVeigh "My family should get to keep it"
YUP Methinks that particularly important when you consider the fact it what your folks have managed save after so many years of taxation N'esy Pas?
YUP Methinks that particularly important when you consider the fact it what your folks have managed save after so many years of taxation N'esy Pas?
Richard McIntyre
Sounds like communist BS. CCPA on brand as usual with their left wing lunacy.
Richard Sharp
@Richard McIntyre
The lunacy is all yours. The CCPA (and the Council of Canadians) are two of the most thoughtful “civil society” organizations in the country. What part of progressive taxation bothers you?
The lunacy is all yours. The CCPA (and the Council of Canadians) are two of the most thoughtful “civil society” organizations in the country. What part of progressive taxation bothers you?
Peter Ray
@Richard Sharp
"...What part of progressive taxation bothers you?..."
The regressive aspect.
The wealth transfer from those who do and can to those who choose not to.
The bolstering of a utopia of nonproductive and noncontributory existence.
But I don't expect a partisan liberal or socialist to understand the concept of EARNING anything.
"...What part of progressive taxation bothers you?..."
The regressive aspect.
The wealth transfer from those who do and can to those who choose not to.
The bolstering of a utopia of nonproductive and noncontributory existence.
But I don't expect a partisan liberal or socialist to understand the concept of EARNING anything.
Eileen Kinley
@Richard McIntyre
They are talking about a mechanism that is in place in countries like the U.S., the U.K. ...
They are talking about a mechanism that is in place in countries like the U.S., the U.K. ...
Richard Sharp
@Peter Ray
You can expect whatever you want. Jesus would be overturning the tables of today’s super rich in rage. Helping the poor and the sick may be out of style for some, but most Canadians retain those values even if you don’t.
You can expect whatever you want. Jesus would be overturning the tables of today’s super rich in rage. Helping the poor and the sick may be out of style for some, but most Canadians retain those values even if you don’t.
Dave Lane
@Eileen Kinley So? There’s no need for Canada to jump off the same cliff.
Ian Smyth
@Peter Ray do you really believe that being rich or poor is based on willingness to work hard?
Lee Day
@Richard Sharp
Every part and mostly you.
Every part and mostly you.
Peter Ray
@Richard Sharp
I'm ALL FOR helping the sick FAR MORE than we already do.
All we'd have to do is eliminate the money and resources that go to those who can and CHOOSE not to and redirect to those who truly can't and are deserving of our help.
In Canada, for the able-minded and able-bodied, poverty is a CHOICE.
I'm ALL FOR helping the sick FAR MORE than we already do.
All we'd have to do is eliminate the money and resources that go to those who can and CHOOSE not to and redirect to those who truly can't and are deserving of our help.
In Canada, for the able-minded and able-bodied, poverty is a CHOICE.
Susan Sydney
@Eileen Kinley Those countries can keep that tax WE don’t need yet another tax.
Dave Plain
@Ian Smyth yes, combined with financial accumen to not live beyond your means.
I have a grade 12 education, no rich predecessors, and I'm comfortable. I put my nose down and worked in a blue collar industry and advanced. I'm not rich by anybody's definition. Im comfortable....and EARNED every penny and saved what i could.
I have a grade 12 education, no rich predecessors, and I'm comfortable. I put my nose down and worked in a blue collar industry and advanced. I'm not rich by anybody's definition. Im comfortable....and EARNED every penny and saved what i could.
Peter Ray
@Ian Smyth
"...do you really believe that being rich or poor is based on willingness to work hard?..."
Of course.
What OTHER possible reason COULD there be? Other than not acting ones wage.
"...do you really believe that being rich or poor is based on willingness to work hard?..."
Of course.
What OTHER possible reason COULD there be? Other than not acting ones wage.
Peter Mals
@Peter Ray so I guess you're an alt-right wing bat then? grown up with your "liberal is a slur" bs
Eileen Kinley
@Dave Lane
I'm not saying Canada should jump off the same cliff. What I am saying is that is far from being a communist plot
I'm not saying Canada should jump off the same cliff. What I am saying is that is far from being a communist plot
David Allan
@Richard McIntyre
You don't know what communism is.
You don't know what communism is.
Doug James
@Richard Sharp
Money changers in the temples. Rich did not seem to bother him.
Money changers in the temples. Rich did not seem to bother him.
Zane Gateman
@Richard McIntyre Yep, as communist as
*... looks up nearest nation with said tax... *
The United States of America
*... looks up nearest nation with said tax... *
The United States of America
David Amos
@Richard McIntyre YUP
David Amos
@Richard Sharp "The lunacy is all yours. The CCPA (and the Council of Canadians) are two of the most thoughtful “civil society” organizations in the country. "
Methinks you drink far too much of the fake left kool aid N'esy Pas?
Methinks you drink far too much of the fake left kool aid N'esy Pas?
Mike Heart
More redistribution of wealth. Take away the incentive to work hard and we will have the socialist utopia that these people are dreaming of...like Venezuela.
David Allan
@Jamie Thak
"because working hard nets you much more than living on welfare or doing nothing."
Many who work hard still require welfare.
The key factor in being rich is being born rich.
The key factor in being poor is being born poor.
"because working hard nets you much more than living on welfare or doing nothing."
Many who work hard still require welfare.
The key factor in being rich is being born rich.
The key factor in being poor is being born poor.
David Amos
@David Allan "The key factor in being rich is being born rich."
YUP
YUP
John Smythe
Most wealthy are mobile, raise taxes high enough, they move.
Neil Gregory
@John Smythe
Seize their passports!
Seize their passports!
George William
@Neil Gregory .. Authoritarian thinking will take us to the promise land of milk and honey eh Neil!!
Sean Lagacé
@John Smythe Yeah. If the CCPA has its way, someone with $3M in investments (i.e. rich, but not filthy rich) and a $100k salary (~$70k after taxes) would basically be working for free in Canada: salary pays taxes on investment returns. I'd expect many people like that to quit their job, become resident in a low-tax country, and spend 182 days in Canada per year. Canada ends up losing both tax revenue and talent.
Bill Billings
@George William it’s a joke. This idea of taxing the rich is not workable....if you took all the money from the top 10 wealthiest,not just tax the money...how long do you think that will run the federal govt? Ppl can’t deal with numbers that big.
Reg Proutle
@Neil Gregory
I think they do that in... ummm... North Korea.
Nope I'm wrong - the average person there doesn't have a passport (or any money).
I think they do that in... ummm... North Korea.
Nope I'm wrong - the average person there doesn't have a passport (or any money).
Mike Heart
@Neil Gregory
You can’t be serious...
You can’t be serious...
Mike Heart
@Sean Lagacé
Don’t expect socialists to be able to do the math.
Don’t expect socialists to be able to do the math.
David Allan
@John Smythe
You said that in 2015.
Trudeau raised taxes on the wealthy. He created a new bracket just for them.
No exodus.
You said that in 2015.
Trudeau raised taxes on the wealthy. He created a new bracket just for them.
No exodus.
David Amos
@Mike Heart "Don’t expect socialists to be able to do the math."
Methinks the right wingnuts are no better at it N'esy Pas?
Methinks the right wingnuts are no better at it N'esy Pas?
Lack of inheritance tax is making inequality worse, think-tank study suggests
Canada is the only G7 country without a federal inheritance tax
The gap between the haves and the have-nots is getting wider in Canada — and the country's lack of an inheritance tax is a big reason why, according to a new report from the left-leaning think-tank Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives.
In a report released Tuesday, CCPA economist David Macdonald looked at inequalities in wealth between those on the extreme high end in Canada and everybody else.
Similar reports have tended to focus on income inequality — the gap between what different people make every year. But Macdonald chose instead to focus on wealth inequality — the difference between what they are worth.
The 87 wealthiest families in Canada owned a collective $259 billion at the end of last year, or just shy of $3 billion apiece, Macdonald said. According to Statistics Canada data, that figure has increased by $850 million between 2012 and 2016 — a jump of 37 per cent.
Add it all up and that's "about what everyone in Newfoundland and Labrador, Prince Edward Island and New Brunswick collectively owns," Macdonald said.
He contrasted that with the numbers for the median Canadian family, which saw its net worth increase by just 15 per cent over the same time period — rising to $295,100 from $257,200.
While the group of super-rich would no doubt contain a large number of high earners, Macdonald says they are even more disproportionately made up of people who inherited much of their wealth.
While slightly less than half of Canada's super-rich were self-made, creating businesses that came to be worth hundreds of millions, the remainder inherited much of their wealth, before they themselves were able to grow it.
According to the CCPA, one solution to that growing gulf that Canadian policy-makers have so far been unwilling to explore is to implement an inheritance tax — a one-time fee that an heir would pay upon receiving an inheritance, typically paid out of the estate before it is handed down.
While there are various probate fees and capital gains taxes that can be levied when someone inherits real estate or other investments, Canada has no formal inheritance tax at the federal or provincial levels.
That makes the country one of 15 OECD member-nations that has no such tax, while countries such as the United States, the U.K., France, Japan and South Korea all take up to 40 per cent or more, of large inheritances.
Some sort of inheritance tax in Canada would be one of the most effective ways of combating inequality, Macdonald says, since it would target only the very rich and only assets that are, for the most part, not filtering through the broader economy.
"A family's stock of wealth can accumulate not just over a single lifetime, but over generations, through inheritance, which further widens whatever income gaps may have existed on an annual basis," Macdonald said.
By his math, if Canada were to implement a 45 per cent tax on inheritances of $5 million or more, it would add $2 billion a year to government coffers.
"You'd expect Canada's tax regime would try to counteract this concentration of wealth at the very top, where it's needed the least. But in fact, federal policies encourage it."
Of course, that's not a universal view. Harvard economics professor Greg Mankiw has written extensively on inheritance taxes and says that keeping the tax on inheritances low or non-existent is the best way of encouraging investment, which boosts the economy and grows wages and government revenues over the long haul.
"It is a good rule of thumb that when you tax an activity, you get less of it," Mankiw wrote in one of his many published papers on the subject. "If we stopped taxing estates, estate-building would be more attractive, and that would be good for everyone in the economy."
"The repeal of the estate tax would stimulate growth and raise incomes for everyone, even those who never receive a bequest,"Mankiw writes in another paper.
If evening out wealth inequality is the goal, Mankiw suggests consumption taxes — where people are taxed every time they buy something — is a better way of levelling the playing field.
But Macdonald is unconvinced. In addition to implementing what he calls a "modest" inheritance tax, the CCPA report advocates overhauling how the government treats capital gains and dividend income — two tax advantages that are disproportionately used by wealthy people.
"Eliminating the 50 per cent tax break for capital gains and the 25 per cent tax break on dividends would raise $11 billion and $5 billion annually while almost exclusively targeting Canada's highest earners," Macdonald says.
In a report released Tuesday, CCPA economist David Macdonald looked at inequalities in wealth between those on the extreme high end in Canada and everybody else.
Similar reports have tended to focus on income inequality — the gap between what different people make every year. But Macdonald chose instead to focus on wealth inequality — the difference between what they are worth.
The 87 wealthiest families in Canada owned a collective $259 billion at the end of last year, or just shy of $3 billion apiece, Macdonald said. According to Statistics Canada data, that figure has increased by $850 million between 2012 and 2016 — a jump of 37 per cent.
Add it all up and that's "about what everyone in Newfoundland and Labrador, Prince Edward Island and New Brunswick collectively owns," Macdonald said.
He contrasted that with the numbers for the median Canadian family, which saw its net worth increase by just 15 per cent over the same time period — rising to $295,100 from $257,200.
Wealth accumulated 'over generations'
While the group of super-rich would no doubt contain a large number of high earners, Macdonald says they are even more disproportionately made up of people who inherited much of their wealth.
While slightly less than half of Canada's super-rich were self-made, creating businesses that came to be worth hundreds of millions, the remainder inherited much of their wealth, before they themselves were able to grow it.
While there are various probate fees and capital gains taxes that can be levied when someone inherits real estate or other investments, Canada has no formal inheritance tax at the federal or provincial levels.
That makes the country one of 15 OECD member-nations that has no such tax, while countries such as the United States, the U.K., France, Japan and South Korea all take up to 40 per cent or more, of large inheritances.
Some sort of inheritance tax in Canada would be one of the most effective ways of combating inequality, Macdonald says, since it would target only the very rich and only assets that are, for the most part, not filtering through the broader economy.
"A family's stock of wealth can accumulate not just over a single lifetime, but over generations, through inheritance, which further widens whatever income gaps may have existed on an annual basis," Macdonald said.
By his math, if Canada were to implement a 45 per cent tax on inheritances of $5 million or more, it would add $2 billion a year to government coffers.
"You'd expect Canada's tax regime would try to counteract this concentration of wealth at the very top, where it's needed the least. But in fact, federal policies encourage it."
Other ways to level the playing field?
Of course, that's not a universal view. Harvard economics professor Greg Mankiw has written extensively on inheritance taxes and says that keeping the tax on inheritances low or non-existent is the best way of encouraging investment, which boosts the economy and grows wages and government revenues over the long haul.
"It is a good rule of thumb that when you tax an activity, you get less of it," Mankiw wrote in one of his many published papers on the subject. "If we stopped taxing estates, estate-building would be more attractive, and that would be good for everyone in the economy."
"The repeal of the estate tax would stimulate growth and raise incomes for everyone, even those who never receive a bequest,"Mankiw writes in another paper.
If evening out wealth inequality is the goal, Mankiw suggests consumption taxes — where people are taxed every time they buy something — is a better way of levelling the playing field.
But Macdonald is unconvinced. In addition to implementing what he calls a "modest" inheritance tax, the CCPA report advocates overhauling how the government treats capital gains and dividend income — two tax advantages that are disproportionately used by wealthy people.
"Eliminating the 50 per cent tax break for capital gains and the 25 per cent tax break on dividends would raise $11 billion and $5 billion annually while almost exclusively targeting Canada's highest earners," Macdonald says.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/opinion-lynne-fernandez-manitoba-kpmg-report-1.4344664
KPMG's value-for-money report is an exercise in confusion: CCPA
Plan to cut civil service jobs relies on faulty comparison, says Lynne Fernandez
This week's long-awaited release of the KPMG value-for-money report provided the background for an important policy announcement from Manitoba's finance minister.
Based on the report's recommendations, Finance Minister Cameron Friesen advised that his government will be eliminating 1,200 jobs from Manitoba's civil service.
To justify the cut, the minister claimed that Manitoba's civil service is 20 per cent larger than the Canadian average. He derives this information from the KPMG report.
The problem with that reference is that the minister does not seem to understand the difference between the provincial civil service and the broader public sector.
His statement refers to data on the public sector as a whole, which includes those who work for municipalities, the federal government, school boards, government business enterprises, hospitals and clinics, universities and colleges, and even non-governmental organizations.
Manitoba civil servants — the group the minister should be concerned with — work directly for the province.
This is a nuance you would expect the finance minister to understand. The assertion seemed to be that there are 20 per cent more civil servants working directly for the provincial government than the national average.
There is no way of coming to that conclusion using the data provided by KPMG because we can't distinguish between federal, provincial, municipal or NGOs.
According to the Manitoba Bureau of Statistics, in 2015, the provincial civil service numbered 14,687 and made up 2.3 per cent of the total Manitoba workforce. The bureau also reports that the Manitoba civil service was 1.4 per cent smaller in 2015 than it was six years earlier and four per cent smaller than in 2012.
In 2012, the NDP announced it would be reducing the size of the civil service by 600 over four years, a target it seems to have met.
Even if we were to compare the total provincial public sector (civil service, hospitals, universities, and Crown corporations), the analysis would be skewed. Alberta does not have a public utility like Manitoba Hydro, public insurance or a public liquor system. These Crown corporations keep prices affordable and circulate hundreds of millions of dollars back into the public purse, more than paying for the Manitobans who work for them.
Furthermore, it makes no sense to compare a small province like Manitoba to the national average.
Averages are affected by the big provinces like Ontario, B.C. and Alberta which can realize economies of scale in their public sectors. It makes much more sense to compare Manitoba to similarly sized provinces like Saskatchewan.
In fact, the KPMG data— albeit irrelevant for Minister Friesen's argument — show that in 2016,
Saskatchewan's public sector was very close to the same size as Manitoba's in terms of its percentage of total employment (24.5 per cent versus 25.7 cent) and per 1,000 population (122 versus 125).
Why would KPMG and the minister refer to data that blur the provincial civil service and the broader public sector, and includes municipal, federal and NGO workers as wards of the province?
The report does include the information we're interested in — the size of the provincial civil service — so why did the minister not base his recommendation on that? Is it because it is buried and difficult to find, in contrast to the splashy total public sector table at the front of the report?
The minister also fails to acknowledge the damage that getting rid of so many good jobs inflicts on our economy — demand will fall and GDP will decline.
We at the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives recently published a report on just how much is lost when workers lose their jobs: overall labour income decreases by $1.20 for every $1.00 of change in demand.
Furthermore, when you combine all the cuts already announced in the health-care sector, the 900 job losses at Manitoba Hydro, the 600 jobs cut under the NDP and now the loss of 1,200 positions, one wonders what kind of jobs there will be for our youth, and whether they will leave Manitoba for greener pastures.
One also has to wonder how services will be affected. The report assumes that cutting so many jobs will only have a positive effect. Does the minister really have such a low opinion of the work being done by so many Manitobans? Does he believe we won't see a decline in services when they're gone?
If there's anything we can learn from this "value-for-money" report it's that KPMG and the minister may know the cost of a lot of things, but they don't really understand the value of much.
This column is part of CBC's Opinion section. For more information about this section, please read this editor's blog and our FAQ.
Based on the report's recommendations, Finance Minister Cameron Friesen advised that his government will be eliminating 1,200 jobs from Manitoba's civil service.
To justify the cut, the minister claimed that Manitoba's civil service is 20 per cent larger than the Canadian average. He derives this information from the KPMG report.
The problem with that reference is that the minister does not seem to understand the difference between the provincial civil service and the broader public sector.
Public sector more than civil servants
His statement refers to data on the public sector as a whole, which includes those who work for municipalities, the federal government, school boards, government business enterprises, hospitals and clinics, universities and colleges, and even non-governmental organizations.
Manitoba civil servants — the group the minister should be concerned with — work directly for the province.
This is a nuance you would expect the finance minister to understand. The assertion seemed to be that there are 20 per cent more civil servants working directly for the provincial government than the national average.
There is no way of coming to that conclusion using the data provided by KPMG because we can't distinguish between federal, provincial, municipal or NGOs.
According to the Manitoba Bureau of Statistics, in 2015, the provincial civil service numbered 14,687 and made up 2.3 per cent of the total Manitoba workforce. The bureau also reports that the Manitoba civil service was 1.4 per cent smaller in 2015 than it was six years earlier and four per cent smaller than in 2012.
In 2012, the NDP announced it would be reducing the size of the civil service by 600 over four years, a target it seems to have met.
Even if we were to compare the total provincial public sector (civil service, hospitals, universities, and Crown corporations), the analysis would be skewed. Alberta does not have a public utility like Manitoba Hydro, public insurance or a public liquor system. These Crown corporations keep prices affordable and circulate hundreds of millions of dollars back into the public purse, more than paying for the Manitobans who work for them.
Damage to Manitoba economy
Furthermore, it makes no sense to compare a small province like Manitoba to the national average.
Averages are affected by the big provinces like Ontario, B.C. and Alberta which can realize economies of scale in their public sectors. It makes much more sense to compare Manitoba to similarly sized provinces like Saskatchewan.
In fact, the KPMG data— albeit irrelevant for Minister Friesen's argument — show that in 2016,
Saskatchewan's public sector was very close to the same size as Manitoba's in terms of its percentage of total employment (24.5 per cent versus 25.7 cent) and per 1,000 population (122 versus 125).
Why would KPMG and the minister refer to data that blur the provincial civil service and the broader public sector, and includes municipal, federal and NGO workers as wards of the province?
The report does include the information we're interested in — the size of the provincial civil service — so why did the minister not base his recommendation on that? Is it because it is buried and difficult to find, in contrast to the splashy total public sector table at the front of the report?
The minister also fails to acknowledge the damage that getting rid of so many good jobs inflicts on our economy — demand will fall and GDP will decline.
Furthermore, when you combine all the cuts already announced in the health-care sector, the 900 job losses at Manitoba Hydro, the 600 jobs cut under the NDP and now the loss of 1,200 positions, one wonders what kind of jobs there will be for our youth, and whether they will leave Manitoba for greener pastures.
One also has to wonder how services will be affected. The report assumes that cutting so many jobs will only have a positive effect. Does the minister really have such a low opinion of the work being done by so many Manitobans? Does he believe we won't see a decline in services when they're gone?
If there's anything we can learn from this "value-for-money" report it's that KPMG and the minister may know the cost of a lot of things, but they don't really understand the value of much.
This column is part of CBC's Opinion section. For more information about this section, please read this editor's blog and our FAQ.
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Banks got $114B from governments during recession
Support for banks 'more substantial than Canadians were led to believe': CCPA report
Canada's biggest banks accepted tens of billions in government funds during the recession, according to a report released today by the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives.
Canada's banking system is often lauded for being one of the world's safest. But an analysis by CCPA senior economist David Macdonald concluded that Canada's major lenders were in a far worse position during the downturn than previously believed.
Macdonald examined data provided by the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions and the big banks themselves for his report published Monday.
It says support for Canadian banks from various agencies reached $114 billion at its peak. That works out to $3,400 for every man, woman and child in Canada, and also to seven per cent of Canada's gross domestic product in 2009.
The figure is also 10 times the amount Canadian taxpayers spent on the auto industry in 2009.
"At some point during the crisis, three of Canada's banks — CIBC, BMO, and Scotiabank — were completely under water, with government support exceeding the market value of the company," Macdonald said.
"Without government supports to fall back on, Canadian banks would have been in serious trouble."
During October 2008 and June 2010, the banks combined to report $27 billion in profits on their balance sheets.
One of the most well-known ways in which policymakers helped the banks during the crisis is through a $69-billion CMHC program whereby the housing agency took mortgages off the balance sheets of big Canadian banks. In contrast with other support facilities, all of the funds granted by the CMHC were through selling assets (in this case mortgages) to the housing agency. They were not funds that had to be paid back.
The CMHC has provided the aggregate total of how much was given out, but has yet to release specifics on which banks sold how much to them, and when, the CCPA says.
When asked for comment in reaction to the CCPA report, the Canadian Bankers Association noted that the $69 billion that Canada's big banks sold into the CMHC program is in fact only 55 per cent of what was allocated for the program.
"Many of the mortgages were already insured and therefore, created no additional risk for the government," the CBA noted in an email to CBC News. The CMHC estimates that by the time the program is wound up, it will have generated $2.5 billion in profit as those mortgages are paid off, the bankers' group noted.
Calling the CCPA report "completely baseless," Department of Finance spokesperson Chisholm Pothier noted that the mortgage program has already generated more than $1.2 billion in net revenues for the CMHC's coffers.
But Canadian lenders also dipped into a program set up by the U.S. Federal Reserve aimed at providing cash to keep American banks afloat. CIBC and BMO took almost $3 billion each out of the fund, RBC and TD took out $8 billion and Scotiabank drew down almost $12 billion, the CCPA report found.
That data came from the U.S. Federal Reserve, which released it publicly. But Macdonald's analysis found that Canadian banks got a comparable amount — $41 billion — from Bank of Canada facilities, an agency that has been far less transparent in sharing information.
"Despite Access to Information requests for the data, the Bank of Canada refuses to release it," the CCPA report states.
"The federal government claims it was offering the banks 'liquidity support,' but it looks an awful lot like a bailout to me," says Macdonald. "Whatever you call it, Canadian government aid for the country's biggest banks was far more indispensable than the official line would suggest.
"The support for Canadian banks was much more substantial than Canadians were led to believe," Macdonald said.
The Canadian Bankers Association disputes the notion that the funds in question were any sort of bailout, arguing they were routine transactions aimed at keeping the financial system liquid.
"These funding measures were put in place to ensure that credit was available to lend to businesses and consumers to help the economy through the recession," the CBA said. "These funding measures were not put in place because banks were in financial difficulty."
Since the start of the recession, the CBA notes 436 U.S. banks have failed. No Canadian financial institution went under, but Canada's banking sector was hit by an overall crisis of confidence in the banking sector that caused some of the banks' normal lending sources to dry up, the CBA says.
Canadian banks get about two-thirds of their funding from consumer and business deposits, but the other third comes from credit markets.
"It was these markets that were seizing up. Funding was less available," the CBA says. "Canadian banks continued to lend and increased their lending after some non-bank lenders pulled out of the Canadian market."
While some of the funding came from government sources such as the Bank of Canada, the bankers' association points out that the central bank itself says Canadian banks needed less official central bank liquidity support than their foreign counterparts.
"The credit was extended at competitive interest rates to protect taxpayers," Pothier said. "Financial institutions accepting this credit paid interest on the loans."
To show the scale of the funding, the CCPA report contrasted the total value of the support Canadian banks took against the bank's total value at the time. Under that comparison, CIBC received $21 billion in support — almost 1.5 times the value of the company at the time. BMO maxed out at $17 billion or 118 per cent, Scotiabank peaked at $25 billion or 100 per cent of its value, while TD and RBC maxed out at $26 billion and $25 billion — good enough for 69 and 63 per cent, respectively, of the total value of those companies at the time.
"It would have been cheaper to buy every single share in these companies," Macdonald said.
But the CBA disputes those numbers too, saying comparing a bank's value to the level with which it participated in a liquidity program aimed at boosting confidence in the market is "an apples to oranges comparison as the two factors are not at all related."
"The Oxford dictionary defines bailout as 'financial assistance to a failing business or economy to save it from collapse," the Canadian Bankers Association noted.
"That definitely was not the case here: not one bank in Canada was in danger of going bankrupt or required the government to buy an equity stake under taxpayer-funded bailouts."
Canada's banking system is often lauded for being one of the world's safest. But an analysis by CCPA senior economist David Macdonald concluded that Canada's major lenders were in a far worse position during the downturn than previously believed.
Macdonald examined data provided by the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions and the big banks themselves for his report published Monday.
It says support for Canadian banks from various agencies reached $114 billion at its peak. That works out to $3,400 for every man, woman and child in Canada, and also to seven per cent of Canada's gross domestic product in 2009.
The figure is also 10 times the amount Canadian taxpayers spent on the auto industry in 2009.
"At some point during the crisis, three of Canada's banks — CIBC, BMO, and Scotiabank — were completely under water, with government support exceeding the market value of the company," Macdonald said.
"Without government supports to fall back on, Canadian banks would have been in serious trouble."
During October 2008 and June 2010, the banks combined to report $27 billion in profits on their balance sheets.
CMHC mortgage program aided banks
One of the most well-known ways in which policymakers helped the banks during the crisis is through a $69-billion CMHC program whereby the housing agency took mortgages off the balance sheets of big Canadian banks. In contrast with other support facilities, all of the funds granted by the CMHC were through selling assets (in this case mortgages) to the housing agency. They were not funds that had to be paid back.
The CMHC has provided the aggregate total of how much was given out, but has yet to release specifics on which banks sold how much to them, and when, the CCPA says.
When asked for comment in reaction to the CCPA report, the Canadian Bankers Association noted that the $69 billion that Canada's big banks sold into the CMHC program is in fact only 55 per cent of what was allocated for the program.
"Many of the mortgages were already insured and therefore, created no additional risk for the government," the CBA noted in an email to CBC News. The CMHC estimates that by the time the program is wound up, it will have generated $2.5 billion in profit as those mortgages are paid off, the bankers' group noted.
Calling the CCPA report "completely baseless," Department of Finance spokesperson Chisholm Pothier noted that the mortgage program has already generated more than $1.2 billion in net revenues for the CMHC's coffers.
But Canadian lenders also dipped into a program set up by the U.S. Federal Reserve aimed at providing cash to keep American banks afloat. CIBC and BMO took almost $3 billion each out of the fund, RBC and TD took out $8 billion and Scotiabank drew down almost $12 billion, the CCPA report found.
That data came from the U.S. Federal Reserve, which released it publicly. But Macdonald's analysis found that Canadian banks got a comparable amount — $41 billion — from Bank of Canada facilities, an agency that has been far less transparent in sharing information.
"Despite Access to Information requests for the data, the Bank of Canada refuses to release it," the CCPA report states.
"The federal government claims it was offering the banks 'liquidity support,' but it looks an awful lot like a bailout to me," says Macdonald. "Whatever you call it, Canadian government aid for the country's biggest banks was far more indispensable than the official line would suggest.
"The support for Canadian banks was much more substantial than Canadians were led to believe," Macdonald said.
The Canadian Bankers Association disputes the notion that the funds in question were any sort of bailout, arguing they were routine transactions aimed at keeping the financial system liquid.
"These funding measures were put in place to ensure that credit was available to lend to businesses and consumers to help the economy through the recession," the CBA said. "These funding measures were not put in place because banks were in financial difficulty."
Since the start of the recession, the CBA notes 436 U.S. banks have failed. No Canadian financial institution went under, but Canada's banking sector was hit by an overall crisis of confidence in the banking sector that caused some of the banks' normal lending sources to dry up, the CBA says.
Canadian banks get about two-thirds of their funding from consumer and business deposits, but the other third comes from credit markets.
"It was these markets that were seizing up. Funding was less available," the CBA says. "Canadian banks continued to lend and increased their lending after some non-bank lenders pulled out of the Canadian market."
While some of the funding came from government sources such as the Bank of Canada, the bankers' association points out that the central bank itself says Canadian banks needed less official central bank liquidity support than their foreign counterparts.
"The credit was extended at competitive interest rates to protect taxpayers," Pothier said. "Financial institutions accepting this credit paid interest on the loans."
To show the scale of the funding, the CCPA report contrasted the total value of the support Canadian banks took against the bank's total value at the time. Under that comparison, CIBC received $21 billion in support — almost 1.5 times the value of the company at the time. BMO maxed out at $17 billion or 118 per cent, Scotiabank peaked at $25 billion or 100 per cent of its value, while TD and RBC maxed out at $26 billion and $25 billion — good enough for 69 and 63 per cent, respectively, of the total value of those companies at the time.
"It would have been cheaper to buy every single share in these companies," Macdonald said.
But the CBA disputes those numbers too, saying comparing a bank's value to the level with which it participated in a liquidity program aimed at boosting confidence in the market is "an apples to oranges comparison as the two factors are not at all related."
"The Oxford dictionary defines bailout as 'financial assistance to a failing business or economy to save it from collapse," the Canadian Bankers Association noted.
"That definitely was not the case here: not one bank in Canada was in danger of going bankrupt or required the government to buy an equity stake under taxpayer-funded bailouts."