https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/trudeau-groping-allegation-1.4738492
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David Amos
Richard Sharp
Richard Sharp
This is about hypocrisy — not about what did or did not happen at a music festival 18 years ago.
It is about "believing women," until it happens to you; about taking all allegations of sexual misconduct seriously, except if they happen to pass some arbitrary expiration date. It is about employing an unwavering zero-tolerance policy, which, in practice, ends up showing some tolerance for the man at the top.
It is about having one set of standards for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, and another set of standards to everyone else. That's the issue. Not what did or did not happen in Creston, B.C.
For the record, there is no dispute from the two parties in question that something happened at that music festival back when Trudeau was a 28-year-old schoolteacher, before he entered politics.
An editorial published at the time in the Creston Valley Advance accused Trudeau of "groping" a young reporter — an allegation the woman re-affirmed in a statement issued last week.
The expectation now is that everyone just move on, in part, because the woman in question says she has put the ordeal behind her and just wants to move on. That much is understandable: This woman is now caught in an unwelcome political firestorm because of something that happened to her nearly 20 years ago. For that reason, many have insisted this incident be dropped altogether.
That would, however, create a terribly harmful precedent. Indeed, we should not ignore misconduct in cases where the target of an unwelcome advance wants her privacy. If nothing else, it would suggest that we cannot right a wrong unless a victim actively participates. But we should strive to be able to both protect women and to hold powerful men to account.
What's more, this is not a situation where an incident was dug up out of nowhere and put on the public record without the woman's permission. For better or worse, this encounter was already on the public record in the form of a published, public editorial. The suggestion that we put the genie back in the bottle now is moot.
Ironically, there is at least one recent occasion when a private allegation was put on the public record without the complainants' express permission: That is, in late 2014 when Trudeau went public with allegations against against MPs Scott Andrews and Massimo Pacetti, without telling the women involved — two NDP MPs — in advance. The women felt blindsided, according to the NDP whip at the time.
Trudeau is himself therefore guilty of publicizing a misconduct allegation without the complainants' permission, which makes the suggestion that we now drop the matter concerning the prime minister's conduct — conduct that was already put on the public record — rather rich. It's that conspicuous double-standard, rearing its head again.
Pacetti, in fact, has used the same defence that Trudeau is now employing in response to allegations that he acted inappropriately. Pacetti, who was accused of having sex without explicit consent with a female MP, has always maintained that he believed the sexual encounter, in which she provided the condom, was entirely consensual. She says it was not. To borrow Trudeau's words: the same interaction was viewed very differently from one person to the next.
This is not a judgment on whether the Pacetti incident was indeed consensual, or to suggest that groping and non-consensual sex are in any way on a par, but simply an observation that the excuse used in both cases — I didn't think I was doing anything wrong — was unacceptable in Pacetti's case (he was permanently removed from caucus), but is now permissible in Trudeau's.
In the past, Trudeau has said that the same standards would apply to him if an accusation of sexual misconduct is levied his way. It appears he changed his mind.
Practically speaking, however, there is probably no point to launching a formal investigation of this allegation now. The most it would do is uncover a few additional details, for which Trudeau would then apologize, leaving us in the same place we are now. The prime minister will not suspend himself or — as been suggested by some fervent critics — resign.
If we really want to move forward, we don't need an investigation. We need an admission that these things are complicated. That "believe women" as a blanket approach to each and every accusation sounds good in theory, but can be problematic in practice. That we can take allegations extremely seriously without having to reflexively believe them. That punishing before investigating is wrong. That there are scales of wrongdoing, and that we can make room for people to learn from their mistakes, while simultaneously showing no tolerance for those who commit the worst ones.
The prime minister is now experiencing first-hand how a one-size-fits all approach to dealing with accusations of sexual misconduct is extremely fraught. But instead of conceding that admission, he is simply changing the standard to a one-size-fits-most: Everyone except the prime minister. That's the issue. It's the hypocrisy, not the act.
This column is part of CBC's Opinion section. For more information about this section, please read this editor's blog and our FAQ.
Hypocrisy is at the crux of the Trudeau groping allegation
The prime minister and his defenders are asking for a type of consideration previously denied to others
369 Comments
David Amos
Richard Sharp
Urback must think she's died and gone to heaven what with CBC paying her to hate Trudeau in front of a captured audience.
David Amos
@Richard Sharp Methinks desperate liberal people post desperate comments N'esy Pas?
David Amos
YO @Richard Sharp Its been so long and still you don't call, you don't write Methinks its clear you don't love me.. Now it appears the cat still has not got your tongue in CBC as you love affair ends with them N'esy Pas?
Richard Sharp
What groping 18 years ago way before he entered public life? We don't know how totally innocent it
might have been but Trudeau is man enough NOT to call her on it. She doesn't want to pursue anything and Trudeau is respecting that wish.
The corporate media, including and especially the CBC, have done a hatchet job on the prime minister of Canada.
might have been but Trudeau is man enough NOT to call her on it. She doesn't want to pursue anything and Trudeau is respecting that wish.
The corporate media, including and especially the CBC, have done a hatchet job on the prime minister of Canada.
Earl Sargent
@Richard Sharp Your opinion Richard. CBC has not covered everything in my opinion to protect Trudeau. It was far far worst then you make it out to be. So In this case I would accuse CBC of covering it up. The fact is he is a hypocrite. He does not stand by his own rules.
John Gran
@Richard Sharp Imagine if this was Harper before he entered public life. The Liberals would have had a collective hissy-fit.
Trudeau set the standard for his own MPs & now we're supposed to give the MP who happens to be the PM a pass.
Just keep throwing those stones......
Trudeau set the standard for his own MPs & now we're supposed to give the MP who happens to be the PM a pass.
Just keep throwing those stones......
Earl Sargent
@jason smith You nailed it Jason. Just look at the liberal reaction with Patrick. do as they say, not as they do.
Richard Sharp
@John Grant
No pass. Trudeau gave a full account, many times now. He's out there facing the music, no matter how contrived the attacks on his character.
Harper would NEVER have put himself in such a vulnerable position but Trudeau does it HUNDREDS OF TIMES compared to Harper's NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS,
No pass. Trudeau gave a full account, many times now. He's out there facing the music, no matter how contrived the attacks on his character.
Harper would NEVER have put himself in such a vulnerable position but Trudeau does it HUNDREDS OF TIMES compared to Harper's NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS,
Earl Sargent
@Richard Sharp This not a school yard Richard. It is a country. And there are not just a few eyes on Trudeau ,there is a country full of eyes on Trudeau. This Is not a silly game. And it certainly is not a " Do as I say ,not as I do" moment.
Al Kennedy
@Richard Sharp
Here is his "full account"https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/andrew-coyne-did-he-or-didnt-he-trudeau-needs-to-start-making-sense?video_autoplay=true
Here is his "full account"https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/andrew-coyne-did-he-or-didnt-he-trudeau-needs-to-start-making-sense?video_autoplay=true
Murray Woods
@Richard Sharp Doesn't appear your deflection BS is selling with the reading public, maybe switch to Harper made him do it.
David Amos
@Richard Sharp Methinks the jig was up on your hero Trudeau The Younger when as 3rd party leader he supported Harper and his evil Bills N'esy Pas?
Richard Sharp
Trudeau is holding back on the truth in respect for the woman's request for privacy and an end to this. He respectfully disagrees and both sides are done with it.
Except the wolves and pigs in the corporate media and among their owners.
Except the wolves and pigs in the corporate media and among their owners.
David Amos
@Richard Sharp Oh My Methinks you are quite upset ovr the fact that your hero Trudeau The Younger got caught by his own rhetoric and even CBC is finally disgusted with his nonsense N'esy Pas?
Hypocrisy is at the crux of the Trudeau groping allegation
The prime minister and his defenders are asking for a type of consideration previously denied to others
This is about hypocrisy — not about what did or did not happen at a music festival 18 years ago.
It is about "believing women," until it happens to you; about taking all allegations of sexual misconduct seriously, except if they happen to pass some arbitrary expiration date. It is about employing an unwavering zero-tolerance policy, which, in practice, ends up showing some tolerance for the man at the top.
It is about having one set of standards for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, and another set of standards to everyone else. That's the issue. Not what did or did not happen in Creston, B.C.
For the record, there is no dispute from the two parties in question that something happened at that music festival back when Trudeau was a 28-year-old schoolteacher, before he entered politics.
An editorial published at the time in the Creston Valley Advance accused Trudeau of "groping" a young reporter — an allegation the woman re-affirmed in a statement issued last week.
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The expectation now is that everyone just move on, in part, because the woman in question says she has put the ordeal behind her and just wants to move on. That much is understandable: This woman is now caught in an unwelcome political firestorm because of something that happened to her nearly 20 years ago. For that reason, many have insisted this incident be dropped altogether.
That would, however, create a terribly harmful precedent. Indeed, we should not ignore misconduct in cases where the target of an unwelcome advance wants her privacy. If nothing else, it would suggest that we cannot right a wrong unless a victim actively participates. But we should strive to be able to both protect women and to hold powerful men to account.
The National
Trudeau reacts to statement from reporter who alleged he groped her
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What's more, this is not a situation where an incident was dug up out of nowhere and put on the public record without the woman's permission. For better or worse, this encounter was already on the public record in the form of a published, public editorial. The suggestion that we put the genie back in the bottle now is moot.
Ironically, there is at least one recent occasion when a private allegation was put on the public record without the complainants' express permission: That is, in late 2014 when Trudeau went public with allegations against against MPs Scott Andrews and Massimo Pacetti, without telling the women involved — two NDP MPs — in advance. The women felt blindsided, according to the NDP whip at the time.
Trudeau is himself therefore guilty of publicizing a misconduct allegation without the complainants' permission, which makes the suggestion that we now drop the matter concerning the prime minister's conduct — conduct that was already put on the public record — rather rich. It's that conspicuous double-standard, rearing its head again.
The crux here is that the Trudeau and his defenders are asking for a type of leniency and consideration not afforded to other politicians similarly accused of misconduct. MP Kent Hehr, for example, is now out of cabinet because of inappropriate words, though not physical contact. And MPs Andrews and Pacetti were suspended first, investigated later, when allegations against them first surfaced.
Pacetti, in fact, has used the same defence that Trudeau is now employing in response to allegations that he acted inappropriately. Pacetti, who was accused of having sex without explicit consent with a female MP, has always maintained that he believed the sexual encounter, in which she provided the condom, was entirely consensual. She says it was not. To borrow Trudeau's words: the same interaction was viewed very differently from one person to the next.
This is not a judgment on whether the Pacetti incident was indeed consensual, or to suggest that groping and non-consensual sex are in any way on a par, but simply an observation that the excuse used in both cases — I didn't think I was doing anything wrong — was unacceptable in Pacetti's case (he was permanently removed from caucus), but is now permissible in Trudeau's.
Applying universal standards
In the past, Trudeau has said that the same standards would apply to him if an accusation of sexual misconduct is levied his way. It appears he changed his mind.
Practically speaking, however, there is probably no point to launching a formal investigation of this allegation now. The most it would do is uncover a few additional details, for which Trudeau would then apologize, leaving us in the same place we are now. The prime minister will not suspend himself or — as been suggested by some fervent critics — resign.
If we really want to move forward, we don't need an investigation. We need an admission that these things are complicated. That "believe women" as a blanket approach to each and every accusation sounds good in theory, but can be problematic in practice. That we can take allegations extremely seriously without having to reflexively believe them. That punishing before investigating is wrong. That there are scales of wrongdoing, and that we can make room for people to learn from their mistakes, while simultaneously showing no tolerance for those who commit the worst ones.
The prime minister is now experiencing first-hand how a one-size-fits all approach to dealing with accusations of sexual misconduct is extremely fraught. But instead of conceding that admission, he is simply changing the standard to a one-size-fits-most: Everyone except the prime minister. That's the issue. It's the hypocrisy, not the act.
This column is part of CBC's Opinion section. For more information about this section, please read this editor's blog and our FAQ.
EXACTLY
Methinks many people are in shock today to see CBC finally agree and publish what many people have been thinking since the story broke in the social media weeks ago N'esy Pas?