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Methinks you should review my comment earlier today about the EUB before the truth was finally revealed N'esy Pas?
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Harsh words, disallowed expenses greet NB Power in rate increase decision
‘The utility must stop overspending,’ Energy and Utilities Board says
· CBC News· Posted: Oct 02, 2020 8:44 PM AT
NB Power has been told by its regulator, the Energy and Utilities Board, it is not doing enough to control costs or reduce debt. (Radio-Canada)
New Brunswick's Energy and Utilities Board has finally approved part of NB Power's year-old request for a rate increase but not before stripping out $1.4 million in expenses it called unjustified and chastising the utility for not controlling its costs.
"The utility must stop overspending on items … that are within its control," wrote the board.
"It does not appear there has been any meaningful changes taken by NB Power in its approach to control costs or reduce debt. Only modest improvements have been seen on debt repayment."
In the decision released Friday, the EUB ordered NB Power's to recalculate its rate request after subtracting disallowed portions. That will likely lead to a 1.85 per cent power rate increase to customers, although potentially not until next spring.
"With these changes, NB Power is directed to provide the Board, for review, its calculation for a revised rate increase across all customer classes," wrote the Board in its 21-page decision.
NB Power originally applied to the EUB for a two per cent rate hike one year ago on Oct. 2, 2019. It was hoping to have the increase approved and in place for April 1, 2020.
Hearings were conducted last February, but on March 19, with a ruling imminent, the utility requested an indefinite suspension of the application in light of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Energy and Utilities Board acting chairperson Francois Beaulieu led a three-person panel reviewing NB Power's request for a rate increase back in February. The decision finally came on Friday. (CBC)
"Many businesses are closed or at reduced operation for an unknown time frame and many employees of those businesses have been affected as a result," said then NB Power president Gaëtan Thomas in a letter to the EUB.
"NB Power has concluded that a rate increase implemented on April 1, 2020, would be counterproductive."
In August, NB Power finally asked the EUB to issue its decision but requested whatever increase it approved to be moved to March 31, 2021, to minimize disruption to the economy.
The EUB has not yet ruled on that request.
Although focused mostly on the current rate increase, the EUB also turned its attention to a string of poor financial results and missed debt reduction targets posted by NB Power over the last half-decade.
The utility lost $16 million in the last fiscal year, the fifth year in a row it has missed its own profit target, and the EUB called on the organization to look internally for solutions.
"NB Power must find a way to stay within its budget and reduce its costs," wrote the board.
The board did approve most of NB Power's budget request with exception of $1.1 million in inflated costs for buying electricity from the Pokeshaw wind farm in northeastern New Brunswick after NB Power negotiated lower prices than it included in its budget documents.
Maritime Iron study
The EUB also disallowed $300,000 the utility had earmarked to study the potential of integrating the proposed Maritime Iron development in Belledune with its nearby coal-fired generating station.
NB Power has since ceased its investigation of how it might help the Maritime Iron project, and the board said it heard nothing at hearings to justify the utility charging customers anything to investigate the feasibility of a development proposed by an outside party.
"This project is speculative. The Board is not satisfied as to the prudence of this spending," it wrote in its decision.
The disallowance by the EUB of $1.4 million budgeted for those two items in NB Power's budget was in addition to money NB Power itself dropped from its request early in proceedings.
At the start of hearings in February, utility executives, including new president Keith Cronkhite, declared $1.4 million in planned spending to support a hydrogen-from-seawater partnership with Florida-based Joi Scientific inappropriate to bill customers for and withdrew the amount from its budget.
Former NB Power CEO Gaëtan Thomas, centre, with Joi Scientific executives Robert Koeneman, left, and Traver Kennedy on a beach in Cape Canaveral, Fla., promoting the company's hydrogen-from-seawater research. NB Power's spending on that project and other items is being deducted from its rate increase. (Joi Scientific)
Those three changes combined total $2.8 million and are all to be deducted from the original two per cent increase requested by the utility.
EUB board member John Herron wrote a dissenting opinion, arguing NB Power should be able to keep the rate increase portions tied to disallowed expenses to boost its bottom line, but that position was rejected by EUB acting chairperson Francois Beaulieu and board member Michael Costello, who made up the balance of the three-person panel.
The EUB will likely rule next week on when the rate increase will take effect, after NB Power recalculates the amount without the disallowed expenses.
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David Amos
Surprise Surprise Surprise
June Arnott
All expense accounts should stop. No travel expenses or executive trips. Kill all bonuses.
David Amos
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Reply to @June Arnott: Methinks you should review my comment earlier today about the EUB before the truth was finally revealed N'esy Pas?Tim Trites
oh well welcome to the worst run jurisdiction in the western world
David Amos
Methinks over the course of the next four years it may become commonly known as Higgy's Police Sate N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Tim Trites: Welcome back to the Circus
Methinks over the course of the next four years it may become commonly known as Higgy's Police Sate N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: Is that all you ever have ? No wonder you didn't even bother running this time . I doubt you could get 25 signatures on your nomination papers , let alone 25 votes .
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks before you spin doctors embarrass Higgy et al any further you really should check my work within the EUB and Federal Court N'esy Pas?
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From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 16:22:47 -0300
Subject: YO Higgy Methinks I have huge bone to pick Minister Mikey
Holland NB Power their buddie the EUB and Johnny "Never been Good
Herron in paricular N'esy Pas???
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> From: "Anderson-Mason, Andrea Hon. (JAG/JPG)"<Andrea.AndersonMason@gnb.ca>
> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 16:54:11 +0000
> Subject: Automatic reply: YO Higgy Methinks whereas there is no
> transcript available that supports the EUB decision about "Not So
> Smart" Meters folks are entitled to know what my friend Roger Richard
> before the election N'esy Pas???
> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
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> From: NBEUB/CESPNB <General@nbeub.ca>
> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 16:35:06 +0000
> Subject: RE: YO Minister Mikey Holland RE The Not So Smart Meter Games
> I trust that your lawyer or Ellen Desmond can explain what the EUB has
> acknowledged before I take you people to a REAL COURT
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> Subject: YO Minister Mikey Holland RE The Not So Smart Meter Games I
> trust that your lawyer or Ellen Desmond can explain what the EUB has
> acknowledged before I take you people to a REAL COURT
>
> These are the EUB published words not mine CORRECT?
>
> These documents can be sourced from the records of the 375 Matter
>
> http://www.nbeub.ca/opt/M/
>
> 02/07/2018 Hearing - Day 1 / Audience - 1ier jour
>
> Page 295
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Thank you. So there is the two interveners or two
> participants in the proceeding that have no legal counsel. One is Mr.
> Richard and the other one is Mr. Bourque. So I just want to provide --
> yes, Mr. Rouse?
>
> MR. ROUSE: I guess I don't have legal counsel either.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: True. So you are -- NCFS doesn't have legal counsel?
>
> MR. ROUSE: That's correct.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: So I will address the three of you then. So Mr. Bourque
> and Mr. Rouse -- I think, Mr. Rouse, you know how the proceeding
> proceeds. So Mr. Bourque, essentially when it comes and you have a
> panel, they are subject to cross-examination. And if you do have any
> questions specifically to the panel, you will be asked to come in
> front and ask your question to whomever your questions you want to ask
> to. Now if there is an objection to your questioning I would ask you
> to stop and at that point what I will do is I will hear the person
> who was objecting to your question and afterwards I will hear if you
> have any other comments to make regarding the objection and we will
> deal with those -- with the objection as it comes. So do you
> understand that?
>
> MR. BOURQUE: Yes, I do and thanks for explaining it.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you. Monsieur Richard, essentiellement
> qu’est ce qui va arriver, pis quoi je mentionnais en anglais, c’est
> que vous êtes non-représenté par un avocat donc vous – peut-être que
> vous connaissez pas toute la façon que les procédures fonctionnent.
> Donc, l’Énergie Nouveau-Brunswick a différent panel qui – qui vont
> introduire pour – pour – pour contre-interrogatoire, donc si vous avez
> des questions a demandé aux personnes, donc, vous allez poser vos
> questions à ces personnes-là. Et puis si y’a une partie qui s’objecte
> à votre question, j’vous demanderais juste d’arrêter. Et puis quoi ce
> que la Commission va faire c’est qu’elle va entendre la partie qui
> s’objecte. Et puis à ce moment-là j’vas vous demandez si vous avez
> aucun commentaire à regarder l’objection et puis on – on va – on va
> rendre une décision à ce point-là relativement à l’objection. Est-ce
> que vous comprenez ceci.
>
> DR. RICHARD: Oui. Oui, Monsieur Vice-président.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN : Pis je comprends aussi que, Monsieur Richard, que vous
> êtes un professionnel, donc durant la procédure vous serez pas ici à
> tous les jours. J’pense que vous avez autorisé un Monsieur LeBlanc de
> – d’être ici à – pour vous représenter lorsque vous serez dans votre
> clinique. Je ne sais pas où votre clinique est, donc ce que je
> comprends bien que cette personne-là va vous représentez lorsque vous
> serez pas disponible.
>
> DR. RICHARD : Oui c’est bien ça
>
> Page 322
>
> CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. BOURQUE:
>
> Q. - Mr. Murphy, as Chief Financial Officer, do you agree with 13 the
> accounting of KPMG?
>
> MR. MURPHY: Sorry, do I understand the question, do I agree with the
> accounting of KPMG?
>
> Q. - Yes.
>
> MR. MURPHY: Yes, I do.
>
> Q. - Do you know the account -- the KPMG auditor, and if so who are they?
>
> MR. MURPHY: Sorry, I am having a little difficult time 21 hearing up
> here, did you say the owner or the author?
>
> Q. - The auditors, sorry about that.
>
> MR. MURPHY: Yes, I do. I know the primary partner on our particular audit
> file.
>
> Q. - Do you have a name for them?
>
> MR. MURPHY: Our primary audit partner is Jamie O'Neil.
>
> Q. - Jamie O'Neil. And I was a bit surprised that when I asked the
> question earlier and there was -- the audit was not signed and any
> business I have ever been involved with before, the auditors always
> came and made the presentation of the audit and this didn't appear to
> happen. Is there a reason for that?
>
> MR. MURPHY: So I am not exactly sure of the reference that's being
> made, but our audit statements are signed every year. As described, we
> have a very traditional process in terms of the auditors coming in and
> making a final presentation to the boards of directors. It's at that
> time that we do sign off on the audited statements and they are
> available online for anybody to go in and view them.
>
> Q. - Mr. Murphy, are you familiar with David Amos and Greg Hickey and
> their concerns about the payout to pulp mills by the NB Power Large
> Industrial Renewable Energy Purchase programs and the fact that the
> U.S. Department of Commerce consider it corporate welfare affecting
> the American interest and with trade with Canada?
>
> MR. FUREY: Mr. Chair, we have been down this road before in previous
> hearings. Mr. Hickey addressed this in at least one, and if I am not
> mistaken, two hearings. And I
> believe where we objected to certain questions of Mr. Hickey in the
> past like this, the Board concluded that relevant questioning -- that
> it would be a relevant question to ask questions related to compliance
> by NB Power with provisions of the Electricity Act and the LIREPP
> regulation, the renewable regulation, which includes the LIREPP
> program, but debate about policy, as to whether or not LIREPP is a
> desirable policy is not a matter for this Board and I think we have
> had that resolved in previous hearings.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mr. Bourque, Mr. Furey is right. We did have -- when
> Mr. Hickey was here last year, and I think at other hearings, we had
> that debate and so it's a policy issue. If you have questions
> regarding LIREPP, regarding compliance, I think you are permitted to
> ask those questions, but if it's questions regarding policy, regarding
> the LIREPP program, it's not relevant and it's in the legislation so
> --
>
> MR. BOURQUE: I wasn't aware of what took place last year.
>
> Q. - Mr. Murphy, are you aware of my friend, David Amos and the
> concerns with the NB Power since 2006?
>
> MR. MURPHY: I would not say that I am aware of any detailed concerns
> that Mr. Amos has expressed.
>
> Q. - Have you read the filings that NB Power filed into the record of
> this matter since -- on October 30th of 2017?
>
> MR. MURPHY: Yes, generally I have read all the documents.
>
> Q. - Have you read the transcript of the hearing on October 2 31st?
>
> MR. MURPHY: I did not read the transcript.
>
> Q. - And have you read the emails that Mr. Amos sent since then?
>
> MR. MURPHY: I did not read the emails. If there is something in
> particular that's filed on evidence that you would like to bring up on
> the screen for me to review, I am happy to review it and answer
> questions on it, but I have not read the emails.
>
> Q. - Ms. Clark, why does NB Power consider the smart meter it wished
> to attach to my home a federal matter? If I get sick, or because of
> an injury to my home or property, do I sue the federal or do I sue NB
> Power?
>
> MS. CLARK: So with respect to the smart meters, the AMI installation,
> we would be complying with all of Health Canada's Guidelines with
> respect to the meter installation.
>
> Q. - So if there is a problem NB Power is responsible for it or the
> federal, if you are complying by the federal regulations?
>
> MR. FUREY: Mr. Vice-Chair, I don't think that's a fair question to
> address to this panel.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Is there going to be another panel that can address his
> question, Mr. Furey?
>
> MR. FUREY: Well to be asked to comment in advance on circumstances in
> which liability might arise, you know, certainly if there is a
> specific fact circumstance presented, maybe the question could be
> answered, but this is very broad.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: So are you suggesting that if he rephrases his
> question that this panel could answer the question?
>
> MR. FUREY: I guess I would have to hear the question, but I -- what I
> am saying is the question as framed is I think impossible to answer.
> And it's unfair to ask any witness to commit to liability around a
> question as broad as if something goes wrong.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mr. Bourque, can you reframe your question?
>
> Q. - Well my -- my concern is the spending of a lot of money for the
> smart meters. And as we heard earlier this morning, the temperature
> has a big temp' -- a big effect on the use of power. Well do we need
> to spend millions of dollars to tell us when the temperature gets
> colder and that? NB Power knows that. When the temperature goes down,
> they are going to have to start producing, you know, more power to
> supply the demand. And I think it's really -- wonder if it's worth
> sending that. The other thing is I have received some videos off the
> internet of smart meters where they literally caught the side of the
> house on fire. There was pictures of just around the meter and that.
> So if that happens to my house, who is responsible?
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Panel?
>
> MS. CLARK: I will address your question in two parts. The first part
> of it is with respect to the installation of smart meters or the AMI
> project. The example that was given would be a perfect reason for NB
> Power to install advanced metering infrastructure. During the times
> when the utility or when the province is facing very cold
> temperatures, having the advanced metering infrastructure in place
> would allow customers to have more information readily available
> during the month. So when we are dealing with high bill complaints,
> like we have been this last month due to the extremely cold
> temperatures, customers would actually be able to see their usage
> throughout the month and not be subject to receiving a final bill at
> the end of the month and being surprised by their consumption because
> of the cold weather. So this would be a perfect example of why the
> advanced metering infrastructure would be in the -- it would be in the
> benefit of our customers.
> The second piece, I think with reference to the safety of meters, we
> will be following Measurement Canada safety standards, Health Canada
> safety standards. All of our meters will be tested. And during the
> install, we will actually be able to look at customers' premises to
> see if there are any issues related to safety that we should be
> addressing at the time. There are specific incidents where there have
> been some issues with meters being installed, but those are very
> specific to either the geographical location where they were being
> installed or the customers' equipment itself. But again when we are
> actually installing the meters, as we are installing 355,000 meters
> across the province, we will actually be able to visually inspect
> each one of those locations to see if there is any issues with respect
> to the meter itself or the installation that's on the customers'
> premises. But it would depend on what exactly it is we find as to how
> it would be handled.
>
> Q. - I got one final question. If a customer decides he doesn't want a
> smart meter at his place, can he opt out?
>
> MS. CLARK: Yes, absolutely. We will have an opt out policy.
>
> MR. BOURQUE: Thank you.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Is that all your questions, Mr. 20 Bourque?
>
> MR. BOURQUE: Yes.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you.
>
> MR. BOURQUE: Thank you.
>
>
> 02/09/2018 Hearing - Day 3/ Audience - 3ième jour
>
>
> Page 590
>
> MR. CRONKHITE: That is a pretty broad statement. If you could be a
> little bit more specific on restrictions you are referring to.
>
> Q. - Well for an example, Mr. Cronkhite, would be the LIREPP program
> restricts how your generation assets are used. Would you agree with
> that?
>
> MR. CRONKHITE: The LIREPP program is simply a input of renewable
> resources into the system. It does not, in my opinion, for the size of
> the contribution, restrict our operations in any way.
>
> Q. - Okay. You have purchase power agreements. Do they mot also
> dictate or indicate how your generation assets can be used?
>
> MR. CRONKHITE: Certainly we do have power purchase arrangements when
> energy would be an example where we need to incorporate that wind when
> it's generated. As a result of that, we do position, so I think maybe
> Ms. Desmond may be asking this that we do need to position our
> remaining fleet to accommodate or adjust and follow that wind
> variation as it operates today. Not unlike that we would have with
> embedded generation assets, and to a much smaller degree obviously,
> home generation around solar and different items such as that.
>
> Q. - If we were to maximize the benefits of AMI in our smart grid,
> isn't it also true that we should maximize the use of our generation
> supply assets that we currently have, and wouldn't that mean
> revisiting some of these existing constraints?
>
> MR. CRONKHITE: We are always mindful of the existing commitments that
> we have on our system today. When we look forward with respect to the
> time frames, and as I mentioned earlier, that this is a managed
> transition not over five years, but over 15, 20 and 25 years, we are
> always mindful and that's why we have looked at power purchase
> arrangements that are coming due in the mid-20s and beyond that we
> allow the freedom and flexibility for us to make the correct
> adjustments, as we move towards those particular milestones.
> With respect to new generation coming on line, that's why we do the
> modelling, that's why we do sensitivities around various scenarios to
> ensure that we are optimizing to the best of our ability. One of the
> foundational items around our Energy Smart NB plan is being able to
> connect with customers to connect to intermittent generation that we
> know is coming onto the system in the near term and medium term and
> having more visibility on that. So that exactly we can optimize our
> generation fleet more effectively today through visibility on this
> distributed generation resources so that we can synchronize it much
> more effectively with the system moving forward.
>
> Q. - I wasn't specifically asking about new generation. It really was
> the existing constraints that you have to work around and deal with in
> terms of generation dispatch.
>
> MS. DESMOND: Okay. I think those are all of our questions though.
> Thank you very much.
>
>
> BY THE BOARD:
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Ms. Desmond. So I think we do have -- as
> Board members we do have a couple of questions to ask. So I will
> start. I am looking at your current business case that you have
> before us with your total project contribution of minus $1.3 million.
> And from the evidence that we have heard the last couple of days, is
> that you consider this as a breakeven number, and I think that that's
> what you were telling us, Ms. Clark.
> So the normal individual, your rate customer, would you not think
> that he would not perceive your $1.3 million as a breakeven number?
>
> MS. CLARK: I guess in the context in which I was using breakeven is
> it is an investment rationale document and it's intended to cover the
> life cycle costs of the program, and those are assumptions and it's
> hovering very close to zero when you look at it over the life cycle.
> I think in the last few days of the hearing, we have indicated that
> it's more than breakeven and would even say that if we were to
> incorporate the adjustments, and the undertaking we just took from Ms.
> Desmond to provide the adjustments that were recommended in the
> Synapse report, we are looking at an investment rationale that is
> leaning closer to probably $10 million or 8 or $9 million. And if we
> were to quantify some of those non-quantifiable benefits and be less
> conservative in some of the estimates that we put in the investment
> rationale document, I think we could easily get to a $10 million
> improvement.
> Again, and I know you have heard this before, the intention was to
> come in as conservative as possible, and know that we had all the
> potential upside. In hindsight, perhaps we should have taken a
> different approach, but I do believe that we can demonstrate that we
> have a positive investment rationale as well.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: So there was discussion around -- and I think it was
> brought forward by Mr. Bourque and Dr. Richard, all about -- and Ms.
> Desmond regarding the option of option in and option out. Have you
> surveyed your current residential customers to see who will opt in and
> who will opt out before making $123 million investment?
>
> MS. CLARK: Customer engagement is a big part of this project, and
> we are as concerned as you would be about making that sort of an
> investment. So we will be doing, as part of our customer engagement,
> but part of it is the focus group that we did early on is people don't
> understand what the smart meter is, so part of it would be around
> education of what the smart meter is and the benefits it can provide
> to customers. So we need to educate our customers first and then
> allow them to make an informed decision. So that will be part of the
> roll-out plan and we will check and adjust along the way. If there
> are issues concerning the social engagement or a customer's uptake,
> you know, this is very similar to what has been done in other
> jurisdictions and they haven't had those challenges, but if we did, we
> certainly wouldn't be looking at making an investment of this size
> without having the customer with us.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Well don't you think, Ms. Clark, that you should
> have your educational piece before the Board approves $123 million
> spend?
>
> MS. CLARK: I recognize the challenge. The commitment the utility
> would make is, as part of the project itself, we would be doing --
> undertaking the engagement process with our customers again starting
> with the education piece.
> Assuming that was positive, we would proceed and we are prepared
> to give the Board updates, as we come forward, either through the general
> rate application or through any other process including the quarterly
> updates we are providing at this point in time on our infrastructure, so
> that
> can be done and conditional with the approval of the project.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: So I am trying to understand the objective of the
> AMI, and there was discussion, so can -- and I am having a little bit
> of difficulty understanding what is the objective or objectives that
> you are trying to do with AMI?
>
>
> Page 601
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: I was a bit surprised when I heard this morning and
> yesterday that you are entering into a contract at the end of February
> and is that with respect to the purchase of the smart meters?
>
> MS. CLARK: That's correct.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: So how can you enter into a contract without the
> firm approval of this Board, if we are going to approve or not the
> AMI? How prudent is that?
>
> MS. CLARK: So we are at the end stages of the contract in terms of
> just the final terms and conditions, but we have been very clear that
> we -- with the vendor -- and they recognize that, because we also have
> Nova Scotia Power, who is part of our consortium, who also needs Board
> approval. So should we not get -- this is conditional on EUB
> approval. So should we not get EUB approval, the contract would not
> proceed.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Now there was discussion yesterday, I think it was
> with Mr. Stoll regarding time of use and time based pricing, and so I
> went through the evidence this morning, and in your main evidence, and
> I think one of the objective of having the AMI going forward to a time
> of use price structure -- rate structure. So am I understanding that
> correctly?
>
> MS. CLARK: That is correct. And in the evidence, we did answer an
> interrogatory on that and you will see that AMI is an enabler for time
> varying rates in the Energy Smart NB Plan. And we did have time
> varying rates included in our investment rationale. We took it out,
> because we couldn't -- we couldn't pinpoint without more detail as to
> what those time varying rates may be and the benefit of those, so we
> took them out of the investment rationale at this point in time, but
> certainly it's something that we are looking at in the future.
>
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: So the fundamental question here is that the Board
> should heard -- or hear Matter 357 before approving the AMI? So if we
> don't approve time of use, that basically what will happen with your
> AMI, I mean it's -- if we don't approve the time of use, which we are
> going to hear next year, how can we proceed in approving the AMI
> before we look at the rate structure?
>
> MS. CLARK: As we have talked about in our investment rationale,
> there are a number of other benefits to both the customer and to the
> utility over and above time varying rates that we believe are
> important for the utility and for the movement forward of our Energy
> Smart New Brunswick plan. Many of those benefits accrue to the
> customer. And many of those benefits accrue to the utility and
> ultimately the customer. So even if we were not to move in the
> direction of time varying rates, we believe that the investment
> rationale supports the AMI installation based on the other investment
> -- or based on the other benefits that it provides.
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: NBEUB/CESPNB <General@nbeub.ca>
> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 11:00:12 +0000
> Subject: RE: YO Minister Mikey Holland RE EUB Matter 452 and NB
> Power's VERY sneaky Application for Approval of an Advanced Metering
> Infrastructure Capital Project
> To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
>
>
>
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>
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> Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>; robert.gauvin
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> Subject: YO Minister Mikey Holland RE EUB Matter 452 and NB Power's
> VERY sneaky Application for Approval of an Advanced Metering
> Infrastructure Capital Project
>
> Methinks questionable lawyer Mr Furey wishes to forget many rather
> important emails I sent him and his bosses over the years but one I
> sent on the 12th of February of 2018 should be of great importance to
> mon ami Roger Richard today N'esy Pas?
>
> Vertias Vincit
> David Raymmod Amos
>
>
> P.S.Trust that I published the emails found beloe on the Internet just
> like I always do
>
> http://davidraymondamos3.
>
>
> Tuesday, 30 January 2018
> RE: Matter 375 - NB Power 2018-2019 General Rate Application This
> should prove the sneaky Yankees such as Wilbur Ross that I know how to
> read N'esy Pas Premier Gallant and and Bill Morneau?
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: NBEUB/CESPNB <General@nbeub.ca>
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 17:40:39 +0000
> Subject: RE: Matter 375 - NB Power 2018-2019 General Rate Application
> This should prove the sneaky Yankees such as Wilbur Ross that I know
> how to read N'esy Pas Premier Gallant and and Bill Morneau?
> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
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> Début du message réexpédié :
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> De: "Furey, John"<JFurey@nbpower.com>
> Objet: RE: Matter 452 - NB Power Application for Approval of an
> Advanced Metering Infrastructure Capital Project /
> Date: 5 août 2020 14:59:11 UTC−3
> À: "Mitchell, Kathleen"<Kathleen.Mitchell@nbeub.ca>,
> "Colleen.Mitchell@
> <Colleen.Mitchell@
> <david.sollows@gnb.ca>, "Heather.Quinn@gnb.ca"<Heather.Quinn@gnb.ca>,
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> <NbdotCa@hotmail.com>, "Paul.Volpe@libertyutilities.
> <Paul.Volpe@libertyutilities.
> <Gilles.volpe@
> "dave.lavigne@
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>
> Dear Ms. Mitchell,
>
> In relation to the above noted Matter, please find attached a Notice
> of Motion and supporting documentation.
>
> All parties to Matter 452 are being served with this documentation.
>
> Regards,
>
> John
>
> John G. Furey
> Senior Legal Counsel
> New Brunswick Power Corporation
> P.O. Box 2000
> 515 King Street
> Fredericton, N.B.
> E3B 4X1
> Direct Line - 506-458-6970
> Facsimile - 506-458-4319
> JFurey@nbpower.com
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> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: "Greg H."
> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 10:36:10 -0400
> Subject: Re: Hey Greg say Hey to two good friends whom I call the
> other two stooges Curly and Moe
> To: David Amos , rrichard , Gerald Bourque
> Cc: David Amos
>
> I hear this morning that Canada has made application to take the
> US/Cdn softwood lumber dispute before the NAFTA Chapter 19 dispute
> resolution panel. They interviewed some trade expert from Queens
> University(if my memory has not failed me here) on the CBC NB morning
> show...he thought it would be a "touchy situation" regards outcome
> this time around.
> We know the NB saw-mills are being hit with countervailing and dumping
> duties but I am asking myself about the pulp-mills which are receiving
> the fraudulent LIREPP subsidy...*we are even subsidizing a US based
> pulp-mill with NB Pwr ratepayers $s !*...that being the one on the US
> side(Madawaska) being fed from the Edmundston pulp-mill switch-yard as
> they feed its electrical supply for that US operation from the
> Canadian Edmundston mill side...all supplied via NB Pwr at
> multi-million $ discounts each year. There is no "renewable energy"
> received onto the NB Pwr electrical grid...the whole thing is a
> fraudulent subsidy scam!
> **G.*
> *
>
> On 16/11/2017 10:00 AM, David Amos wrote:
>> Methinks Mr Furey is gonna regret having an ethical computer N'esy Pas
>> Moe?
>>
>> Enjoy your day fellas. If don't wake up tommorrow please know it is
>> because I died laughing in my sleep.
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Dave
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Furey, John"
> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 12:51:03 +0000
> Subject: Automatic reply: EXT - Attn Hon.Rick Doucet Are you aware of
> what transpired at eh NBEUB on Oct, 31, 2017 and these documents with
> regards the U.S .Commerce Dept concerns about NB Power and its Large
> Industrial Renewable Energy Purchase Program (LIREPP)?
> To: David Amos
>
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> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: "Furey, John"
> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 12:11:59 +0000
> Subject: Automatic reply: EXT - Re The news NB Power payola and a
> little Deja Vu about my indignation towards Gaëtan Thomas and Ed
> Barrett and their meeting with Kris Austin and PANB seven years ago
> To: David Amos
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> Tuesday, 30 January 2018
>
> RE: Matter 375 - NB Power 2018-2019 General Rate Application This
> should prove the sneaky Yankees such as Wilbur Ross that I know how to
> read N'esy Pas Premier Gallant and and Bill Morneau?
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Original message ----------
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> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 21:03:59 +0000
> Subject: Automatic reply: Re Round 2 of the NB Power 2018-2019 General
> Rate Application This weekend after I read the Transcript of the
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> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 21:04:12 +0000
> Subject: Automatic reply: Re Round 2 of the NB Power 2018-2019 General
> Rate Application This weekend after I read the Transcript of the
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> From: "MinFinance / FinanceMin (FIN)"
> <fin.minfinance-financemin.
> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 21:05:13 +0000
> Subject: RE: Re Round 2 of the NB Power 2018-2019 General Rate
> Application This weekend after I read the Transcript of the Hearing -
> Day 3 I opted to attend Day 4
> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
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> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 17:03:28 -0400
> Subject: Re Round 2 of the NB Power 2018-2019 General Rate Application
> This weekend after I read the Transcript of the Hearing - Day 3 I
> opted to attend Day 4
> To: dhebert@npcc.org, charles.berardescof@nerc.net,
> mpopowich@nbpower.com, ecdesmond@nbeub.ca, newsroom
> <newsroom@globeandmail.ca>, "Robert. Jones"<Robert.Jones@cbc.ca>,
> publicaffairs@doc.gov, "Furey, John"<jfurey@nbpower.com>, wharrison
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> Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> <David.Coon@gnb.ca>, BrianThomasMacdonald
> <BrianThomasMacdonald@gmail.
> "Jody.Wilson-Raybould"<Jody.Wilson-Raybould@parl.gc.
> "Bill.Morneau"<Bill.Morneau@canada.ca>, "brian.gallant"
> <brian.gallant@gnb.ca>
>
> Tuesday, 30 January 2018
>
> RE: Matter 375 - NB Power 2018-2019 General Rate Application This
> should prove the sneaky Yankees such as Wilbur Ross that I know how to
> read N'esy Pas Premier Gallant and and Bill Morneau?
>
>
> Hey
>
> Clearly I have some serious issues to dispute with Darren Murphy the
> CFO of NB POWER and the rest of his cohorts within a Crown
> Corporation. This is as brief as I can make an argument in support of
> the need of my testimony in the 375 Matter about what occured within
> it and the 357 Matter etc. In a nutshell I have every right to be an
> Intervenor and to testify as a witness under oath. NB POWER and its
> cohorts in NBEUB failed to prove why I have no right to do so. However
> they certainly proved to anyone who knows how to read what has been
> published why they should be prosecuted libel ASAP. Section 300 of the
> Canadian Criminal Code applies to lawyers too. If you don't think I
> was libeled then introduce me to your lawyer.
>
> The public shows that NBEUB did bar me for malicious reasons on
> October 31st yet permitted me to attend the public hearings this month
> in order to advise my friends Gerald Bourque and Roger Richard. On
> February 7th Gerald Bourque did manage to ask Darren Murphy and his
> associates on NB Power's 1st panel of witnesses a few questions that I
> had asked him to. Need I say that I enjoyed their responses? The
> NBEUB also allowed me to speak for 21 minutes during the Public
> Session that evening but the transcript of the aforesaid session has
> not been filed in the NBEUB records as of yet.
>
> My friends Gerald Bourque and Roger Richard as Intervenors in this
> matter have every right to say and do what they wish which also
> includes paying heed to my advice or ignoring it altogether. The
> filings of Roger Richard in this matter easily attest to the fact that
> initially he wished for me to testify on his behalf in this matter.
> However after Daniel Leblanc appeared in the matter in order to speak
> on my friend's behalf I was removed as a witness. So be it. The NBEUB
> and all the other Intervenors know the truth of my concerns anyway
> byway of many filings within the 357 and 375 Matters. More importantly
> I stated my opinion of this fancy little circus in no uncertain terms
> of the evening of February 7th and I look for to reviewing what I said
> in the heat of the moment.
>
> This weekend after I read the transcript of the 3rd day of the hearing
> I ried to convince my friend Roger Richard to ignore Leblanc's advice
> and put me in his witness list again. However he did not wish to, so I
> respectfully backed away again and will not interfere with my friend's
> plan to stop smart meters going to NB. Methinks the key to it will be
> the media N'esy Pas Mr Jones?
>
>
>
>
> These documents can be sourced from the records of the 375 Matter
>
> http://www.nbeub.ca/opt/M/
>
> 02/07/2018 Hearing - Day 1 / Audience - 1ier jour
>
> Page 295
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Thank you. So there is the two interveners 6 or two
> participants in the proceeding that have no legal counsel. One is Mr.
> Richard and the other one is Mr. Bourque. So I just want to provide --
> yes, Mr. Rouse?
>
> MR. ROUSE: I guess I don't have legal counsel either.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: True. So you are -- NCFS doesn't have legal counsel?
>
> MR. ROUSE: That's correct.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: So I will address the three of you then. So Mr. Bourque
> and Mr. Rouse -- I think, Mr. Rouse, you know how the proceeding
> proceeds. So Mr. Bourque, essentially when it comes and you have a
> panel, they are subject to cross-examination. And if you do have any
> questions specifically to the panel, you will be asked to come in
> front and ask your question to whomever your questions you want to ask
> to. Now if there is an objection to your questioning I would ask you
> to stop and at that point what I will do is I will hear the person
> who was objecting to your question and afterwards I will hear if you
> have any other comments to make regarding the objection and we will
> deal with those -- with the objection as it comes. So do you
> understand that?
>
> MR. BOURQUE: Yes, I do and thanks for explaining it.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you. Monsieur Richard, essentiellement
> qu’est ce qui va arriver, pis quoi je mentionnais en anglais, c’est
> que vous êtes non-représenté par un avocat donc vous – peut-être que
> vous connaissez pas toute la façon que les procédures fonctionnent.
> Donc, l’Énergie Nouveau-Brunswick a différent panel qui – qui vont
> introduire pour – pour – pour contre-interrogatoire, donc si vous avez
> des questions a demandé aux personnes, donc, vous allez poser vos
> questions à ces personnes-là. Et puis si y’a une partie qui s’objecte
> à votre question, j’vous demanderais juste d’arrêter. Et puis quoi ce
> que la Commission va faire c’est qu’elle va entendre la partie qui
> s’objecte. Et puis à ce moment-là j’vas vous demandez si vous avez
> aucun commentaire à regarder l’objection et puis on – on va – on va
> rendre une décision à ce point-là relativement à l’objection. Est-ce
> que vous comprenez ceci.
>
> DR. RICHARD: Oui. Oui, Monsieur Vice-président.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN : Pis je comprends aussi que, Monsieur Richard, que vous
> êtes un professionnel, donc durant la procédure vous serez pas ici à
> tous les jours. J’pense que vous avez autorisé un Monsieur LeBlanc de
> – d’être ici à – pour vous représenter lorsque vous serez dans votre
> clinique. Je ne sais pas où votre clinique est, donc ce que je
> comprends bien que cette personne-là va vous représentez lorsque vous
> serez pas disponible.
>
> DR. RICHARD : Oui c’est bien ça
>
> Page 322
>
> CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. BOURQUE:
>
> Q. - Mr. Murphy, as Chief Financial Officer, do you agree with 13 the
> accounting of KPMG?
>
> MR. MURPHY: Sorry, do I understand the question, do I agree with the
> accounting of KPMG?
>
> Q. - Yes.
>
> MR. MURPHY: Yes, I do.
>
> Q. - Do you know the account -- the KPMG auditor, and if so who are they?
>
> MR. MURPHY: Sorry, I am having a little difficult time 21 hearing up
> here, did you say the owner or the author?
>
> Q. - The auditors, sorry about that.
>
> MR. MURPHY: Yes, I do. I know the primary partner on our particular audit
> file.
>
> Q. - Do you have a name for them?
>
> MR. MURPHY: Our primary audit partner is Jamie O'Neil.
>
> Q. - Jamie O'Neil. And I was a bit surprised that when I asked the
> question earlier and there was -- the audit was not signed and any
> business I have ever been involved with before, the auditors always
> came and made the presentation of the audit and this didn't appear to
> happen. Is there a reason for that?
>
> MR. MURPHY: So I am not exactly sure of the reference that's being
> made, but our audit statements are signed every year. As described, we
> have a very traditional process in terms of the auditors coming in and
> making a final presentation to the boards of directors. It's at that
> time that we do sign off on the audited statements and they are
> available online for anybody to go in and view them.
>
> Q. - Mr. Murphy, are you familiar with David Amos and Greg Hickey and
> their concerns about the payout to pulp mills by the NB Power Large
> Industrial Renewable Energy Purchase programs and the fact that the
> U.S. Department of Commerce consider it corporate welfare affecting
> the American interest and with trade with Canada?
>
> MR. FUREY: Mr. Chair, we have been down this road before in previous
> hearings. Mr. Hickey addressed this in at least one, and if I am not
> mistaken, two hearings. And I believe where we objected to certain
> questions of Mr. Hickey in the past like this, the Board concluded
> that relevant questioning -- that it would be a relevant question to
> ask questions related to compliance by NB Power with provisions of the
> Electricity Act and the LIREPP regulation, the renewable regulation,
> which includes the LIREPP program, but debate about policy, as to
> whether or not LIREPP is a desirable policy is not a matter for this
> Board and I think we have had that resolved in previous hearings.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mr. Bourque, Mr. Furey is right. We did have -- when
> Mr. Hickey was here last year, and I think at other hearings, we had
> that debate and so it's a policy issue. If you have questions
> regarding LIREPP, regarding compliance, I think you are permitted to
> ask those questions, but if it's questions regarding policy, regarding
> the LIREPP program, it's not relevant and it's in the legislation so
> --
>
> MR. BOURQUE: I wasn't aware of what took place last year.
>
> Q. - Mr. Murphy, are you aware of my friend, David Amos and the
> concerns with the NB Power since 2006?
>
> MR. MURPHY: I would not say that I am aware of any detailed concerns
> that Mr. Amos has expressed.
>
> Q. - Have you read the filings that NB Power filed into the record of
> this matter since -- on October 30th of 2017?
>
> MR. MURPHY: Yes, generally I have read all the documents.
>
> Q. - Have you read the transcript of the hearing on October 2 31st?
>
> MR. MURPHY: I did not read the transcript.
>
> Q. - And have you read the emails that Mr. Amos sent since then?
>
> MR. MURPHY: I did not read the emails. If there is something in
> particular that's filed on evidence that you would like to bring up on
> the screen for me to review, I am happy to review it and answer
> questions on it, but I have not read the emails.
>
> Q. - Ms. Clark, why does NB Power consider the smart meter it wished
> to attach to my home a federal matter? If I get sick, or because of
> an injury to my home or property, do I sue the federal or do I sue NB
> Power?
>
> MS. CLARK: So with respect to the smart meters, the AMI installation,
> we would be complying with all of Health Canada's Guidelines with
> respect to the meter installation.
>
> Q. - So if there is a problem NB Power is responsible for it or the
> federal, if you are complying by the federal regulations?
>
> MR. FUREY: Mr. Vice-Chair, I don't think that's a fair question to
> address to this panel.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Is there going to be another panel that can address his
> question, Mr. Furey?
>
> MR. FUREY: Well to be asked to comment in advance on circumstances in
> which liability might arise, you know, certainly if there is a
> specific fact circumstance presented, maybe the question could be
> answered, but this is very broad.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: So are you suggesting that if he rephrases his
> question that this panel could answer the question?
>
> MR. FUREY: I guess I would have to hear the question, but I -- what I
> am saying is the question as framed is I think impossible to answer.
> And it's unfair to ask any witness to commit to liability around a
> question as broad as if something goes wrong.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Mr. Bourque, can you reframe your question?
>
> Q. - Well my -- my concern is the spending of a lot of money for the
> smart meters. And as we heard earlier this morning, the temperature
> has a big temp' -- a big effect on the use of power. Well do we need
> to spend millions of dollars to tell us when the temperature gets
> colder and that? NB Power knows that. When the temperature goes down,
> they are going to have to start producing, you know, more power to
> supply the demand. And I think it's really -- wonder if it's worth
> sending that. The other thing is I have received some videos off the
> internet of smart meters where they literally caught the side of the
> house on fire. There was pictures of just around the meter and that.
> So if that happens to my house, who is responsible?
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Panel?
>
> MS. CLARK: I will address your question in two parts. The first part
> of it is with respect to the installation of smart meters or the AMI
> project. The example that was given would be a perfect reason for NB
> Power to install advanced metering infrastructure. During the times
> when the utility or when the province is facing very cold
> temperatures, having the advanced metering infrastructure in place
> would allow customers to have more information readily available
> during the month. So when we are dealing with high bill complaints,
> like we have been this last month due to the extremely cold
> temperatures, customers would actually be able to see their usage
> throughout the month and not be subject to receiving a final bill at
> the end of the month and being surprised by their consumption because
> of the cold weather. So this would be a perfect example of why the
> advanced metering infrastructure would be in the -- it would be in the
> benefit of our customers.
> The second piece, I think with reference to the safety of meters, we
> will be following Measurement Canada safety standards, Health Canada
> safety standards. All of our meters will be tested. And during the
> install, we will actually be able to look at customers' premises to
> see if there are any issues related to safety that we should be
> addressing at the time. There are specific incidents where there have
> been some issues with meters being installed, but those are very
> specific to either the geographical location where they were being
> installed or the customers' equipment itself. But again when we are
> actually installing the meters, as we are installing 355,000 meters
> across the province, we will actually be able to visually inspect
> each one of those locations to see if there is any issues with respect
> to the meter itself or the installation that's on the customers'
> premises. But it would depend on what exactly it is we find as to how
> it would be handled.
>
> Q. - I got one final question. If a customer decides he doesn't want a
> smart meter at his place, can he opt out?
>
> MS. CLARK: Yes, absolutely. We will have an opt out policy.
>
> MR. BOURQUE: Thank you.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Is that all your questions, Mr. 20 Bourque?
>
> MR. BOURQUE: Yes.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you.
>
> MR. BOURQUE: Thank you.
>
>
> 02/09/2018 Hearing - Day 3/ Audience - 3ième jour
>
>
> Page 590
>
> MR. CRONKHITE: That is a pretty broad statement. If you could be a
> little bit more specific on restrictions you are referring to.
>
> Q. - Well for an example, Mr. Cronkhite, would be the LIREPP program
> restricts how your generation assets are used. Would you agree with
> that?
>
> MR. CRONKHITE: The LIREPP program is simply a input of renewable
> resources into the system. It does not, in my opinion, for the size of
> the contribution, restrict our operations in any way.
>
> Q. - Okay. You have purchase power agreements. Do they mot also
> dictate or indicate how your generation assets can be used?
>
> MR. CRONKHITE: Certainly we do have power purchase arrangements when
> energy would be an example where we need to incorporate that wind when
> it's generated. As a result of that, we do position, so I think maybe
> Ms. Desmond may be asking this that we do need to position our
> remaining fleet to accommodate or adjust and follow that wind
> variation as it operates today. Not unlike that we would have with
> embedded generation assets, and to a much smaller degree obviously,
> home generation around solar and different items such as that.
>
> Q. - If we were to maximize the benefits of AMI in our smart grid,
> isn't it also true that we should maximize the use of our generation
> supply assets that we currently have, and wouldn't that mean
> revisiting some of these existing constraints?
>
> MR. CRONKHITE: We are always mindful of the existing commitments that
> we have on our system today. When we look forward with respect to the
> time frames, and as I mentioned earlier, that this is a managed
> transition not over five years, but over 15, 20 and 25 years, we are
> always mindful and that's why we have looked at power purchase
> arrangements that are coming due in the mid-20s and beyond that we
> allow the freedom and flexibility for us to make the correct
> adjustments, as we move towards those particular milestones.
> With respect to new generation coming on line, that's why we do the
> modelling, that's why we do sensitivities around various scenarios to
> ensure that we are optimizing to the best of our ability. One of the
> foundational items around our Energy Smart NB plan is being able to
> connect with customers to connect to intermittent generation that we
> know is coming onto the system in the near term and medium term and
> having more visibility on that. So that exactly we can optimize our
> generation fleet more effectively today through visibility on this
> distributed generation resources so that we can synchronize it much
> more effectively with the system moving forward.
>
> Q. - I wasn't specifically asking about new generation. It really was
> the existing constraints that you have to work around and deal with in
> terms of generation dispatch.
>
> MS. DESMOND: Okay. I think those are all of our questions though.
> Thank you very much.
>
>
> BY THE BOARD:
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Ms. Desmond. So I think we do have -- as
> Board members we do have a couple of questions to ask. So I will
> start. I am looking at your current business case that you have
> before us with your total project contribution of minus $1.3 million.
> And from the evidence that we have heard the last couple of days, is
> that you consider this as a breakeven number, and I think that that's
> what you were telling us, Ms. Clark.
> So the normal individual, your rate customer, would you not
> think that he would not perceive your $1.3 million as a breakeven
> number?
>
> MS. CLARK: I guess in the context in which I was using breakeven is
> it is an investment rationale document and it's intended to cover the
> life cycle costs of the program, and those are assumptions and it's
> hovering very close to zero when you look at it over the life cycle.
> I think in the last few days of the hearing, we have indicated that
> it's more than breakeven and would even say that if we were to
> incorporate the adjustments, and the undertaking we just took from Ms.
> Desmond to provide the adjustments that were recommended in the
> Synapse report, we are looking at an investment rationale that is
> leaning closer to probably $10 million or 8 or $9 million. And if we
> were to quantify some of those non-quantifiable benefits and be less
> conservative in some of the estimates that we put in the investment
> rationale document, I think we could easily get to a $10 million
> improvement.
> Again, and I know you have heard this before, the intention
> was to come in as conservative as possible, and know that we had all
> the potential upside. In hindsight, perhaps we should have taken a
> different approach, but I do believe that we can demonstrate that we
> have a positive investment rationale as well.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: So there was discussion around -- and I think it was
> brought forward by Mr. Bourque and Dr. Richard, all about -- and Ms.
> Desmond regarding the option of option in and option out. Have you
> surveyed your current residential customers to see who will opt in and
> who will opt out before making $123 million investment?
>
> MS. CLARK: Customer engagement is a big part of this project, and
> we are as concerned as you would be about making that sort of an
> investment. So we will be doing, as part of our customer engagement,
> but part of it is the focus group that we did early on is people don't
> understand what the smart meter is, so part of it would be around
> education of what the smart meter is and the benefits it can provide
> to customers. So we need to educate our customers first and then
> allow them to make an informed decision. So that will be part of the
> roll-out plan and we will check and adjust along the way. If there
> are issues concerning the social engagement or a customer's uptake,
> you know, this is very similar to what has been done in other
> jurisdictions and they haven't had those challenges, but if we did, we
> certainly wouldn't be looking at making an investment of this size
> without having the customer with us.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Well don't you think, Ms. Clark, that you should
> have your educational piece before the Board approves $123 million
> spend?
>
> MS. CLARK: I recognize the challenge. The commitment the utility
> would make is, as part of the project itself, we would be doing --
> undertaking the engagement process with our customers again starting
> with the education piece.
> Assuming that was positive, we would proceed and we are
> prepared to give the Board updates, as we come forward, either through
> the general rate application or through any other process including
> the quarterly updates we are providing at this point in time on our
> infrastructure, so that can be done and conditional with the approval
> of the project.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: So I am trying to understand the objective of the
> AMI, and there was discussion, so can -- and I am having a little bit
> of difficulty understanding what is the objective or objectives that
> you are trying to do with AMI?
>
>
> Page 601
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: I was a bit surprised when I heard this morning and
> yesterday that you are entering into a contract at the end of February
> and is that with respect to the purchase of the smart meters?
>
> MS. CLARK: That's correct.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: So how can you enter into a contract without the
> firm approval of this Board, if we are going to approve or not the
> AMI? How prudent is that?
>
> MS. CLARK: So we are at the end stages of the contract in terms of
> just the final terms and conditions, but we have been very clear that
> we -- with the vendor -- and they recognize that, because we also have
> Nova Scotia Power, who is part of our consortium, who also needs Board
> approval. So should we not get -- this is conditional on EUB
> approval. So should we not get EUB approval, the contract would not
> proceed.
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: Now there was discussion yesterday, I think it was
> with Mr. Stoll regarding time of use and time based pricing, and so I
> went through the evidence this morning, and in your main evidence, and
> I think one of the objective of having the AMI going forward to a time
> of use price structure -- rate structure. So am I understanding that
> correctly?
>
> MS. CLARK: That is correct. And in the evidence, we did answer an
> interrogatory on that and you will see that AMI is an enabler for time
> varying rates in the Energy Smart NB Plan. And we did have time
> varying rates included in our investment rationale. We took it out,
> because we couldn't -- we couldn't pinpoint without more detail as to
> what those time varying rates may be and the benefit of those, so we
> took them out of the investment rationale at this point in time, but
> certainly it's something that we are looking at in the future.
>
>
> VICE-CHAIRMAN: So the fundamental question here is that the Board
> should heard -- or hear Matter 357 before approving the AMI? So if we
> don't approve time of use, that basically what will happen with your
> AMI, I mean it's -- if we don't approve the time of use, which we are
> going to hear next year, how can we proceed in approving the AMI
> before we look at the rate structure?
>
> MS. CLARK: As we have talked about in our investment rationale,
> there are a number of other benefits to both the customer and to the
> utility over and above time varying rates that we believe are
> important for the utility and for the movement forward of our Energy
> Smart New Brunswick plan. Many of those benefits accrue to the
> customer. And many of those benefits accrue to the utility and
> ultimately the customer. So even if we were not to move in the
> direction of time varying rates, we believe that the investment
> rationale supports the AMI installation based on the other investment
> -- or based on the other benefits that it provides.
>
>
> 10/31/2017 Pre-Hearing / Conférence préalable à l'audience
>
>
> Page 84
>
> CHAIRMAN: All right. I will now give the decision of the Board on this
> matter.
>
> Mr. Amos seeks intervenor status in Matter 375. NB Power objects to
> his intervention claiming his conduct during the hearing of a motion
> in Matter 357 was confrontational and that his arguments lacked any
> connection to the issues before the Board. The Board agrees with that
> assessment.
>
> In the present matter, Mr. Amos was given ample opportunity to put
> forward a case that would support a respectful and responsible
> intervention. He failed to do so, rolling forward issues raised in
> Matter 357 and not addressing the issue before us today.
>
> Mr. Amos states that the interests he would bring before the Board
> are those raised by Mr. Bourque and Mr. Richard. The Board is
> satisfied that those two intervenors can adequately represent those
> issues. In addition, those issues will undoubtedly be addressed by
> the Public Intervenor and others.
>
> Page 85
>
> The Board finds on a balance of probability that Mr. Amos will not
> participate in this matter in a respectful and responsible manner. As
> a result, the Board will exercise its discretion and refuse
> intervenor status to Mr. Amos. Intervention is encouraged but it must
> be responsible.
>
> Mr. Amos may participate in the public session which date will be
> announced shortly. But again he is reminded that any presentation
> must be done in a respectful and responsible manner.
>
> Finally, Mr. Amos had indicated that he wished to assist his two
> colleagues that are sitting with him today. And certainly the Board
> has no issue with that at all. But Mr. Amos will have no status at the
> hearing in terms of cross-examination or making any argument.
> So that is the decision of this Panel with respect to the status of Mr.
> Amos.
>
> Are there any other issues to deal with today? There being no other
> issues, then we will adjourn.
>
>
> This exhbit was filed by NB Power along with many others to support my
> barring from the 375 Matter
>
> NB Power Notice of Objection - Appendix I 10/30/2017
>
> For the benefit of my fellow stakeholders I wish to explain all of the
> transcript found above of under oath
>