Replying to @DavidRayAmos@Kathryn98967631 and 48 others Methinks all Proud Canadians should not care what the mindless Yankee Majority Whip Steve Scalise says about anything N'esy Pas?
'There is a growing frustration': Top Republican slams Canada's NAFTA negotiating tactics
Trump administration wants a new NAFTA by month's end to meet congressional deadlines
John Paul Tasker· CBC News· Posted: Sep 18, 2018 3:16 PM ET
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Neil Austen
There is no NAFTA without Canada. Canada will decide its fate. It's not the end of the world for Canada if NAFTA dies. Trade will continue between Canada and the U.S. but just at a slower rate of growth. Let Trump fail once again and when a new president is elected in two years, grown up negotiations can take place.
David Amos
@Neil Austen I prefer if they just finally rid us of NAFTA
Arthur Vandalay
"We blame Canada for not bowing to our ridiculous demands in a 'negotiation' which the president has admitted the US has no interest in any form of compromise!"
David Amos
@Arthur Vandalay YUP That Trump's logic at its finest
Barbara Dwyer
It's mid-September. Canada is better off to stall until after the US election.
If Republicans hold on, fine, we try to make do and wrap it up in November.
If the Republicans are ousted, we go for a better, fairer deal for all sides.
But if no reasonable deal is forthcoming, we toss it and go back to the old ways.
Troy Mann
@Barbara Dwyer
All Canada needs to do is to say it is a bad deal for Canada and Mexico which is why we wouldn't sign onto it.
Mexico voted out the guy who wants the deal done, the people of Mexico will want answers why they are accepting a bad deal...
David Amos
@Troy Mann Imagine you and I agreeing on something?
Richard Baumann
The only party not negotiating in good faith is the US. No deal is better than a bad deal. Time is on Canada's side.
David Amos
@Richard Baumann I agree
Michael Murphy
"Canada alone is to blame for the "continued delay.""
Odd, Canada never demanded a new NAFTA
Garfield Stephenson Wu
@Michael Murphy Exactly. It was the loose cannon in the White House that demanded it in the first place, and we just decided to go along with it while luring him and his gang into a trap. Then, when T45 and the Grand Obsolete Party started running out of time and luck and realize that Canada wouldn't cave in to their bullying tactics and their unreasonable demands, they start to grow desperate and throw anything that comes into their little heads. Let's sit tight and leave T45 and his party to their fates.
David Amos
@Garfield Stephenson Wu "we just decided to go along with it while luring him and his gang into a trap."
Who is we?
Alex Aggy
That's nice dear.
I'm no "Top Canadian" or anything, but I slam the US' predatory and completely unhinged negotiation tactics of "here are our demands, deal with it, no compromise, no negotiation" sprinkled with completely ridiculous threats and insults from the president.
These GOP officials would complain about us negotiation no matter what, unless we completely caved to their demands, at which point they'd probably come up with even more demands to shove down our throats.
I don't care. I don't care if Trump's feelings are hurt, or the GOP things we are being hard cases. We can't give in to their demands without dismantling Canada as a nation, so forget about it.
If this were a corporate takeover attempt, the other company would have walked away from the table long ago.
Nick Stoke
@Alex Aggy
Maybe bringing in "native" concerns, "environmenta"l concerns and "gender balance" to a FINANCIAL deal with very serious repercussions for this country might have been a bad idea. ( I guess Jr didn't learn from his China trade fiasco) I know but but Trump....
David Amos
@Nick Stoke Methinks you should quit the "but but Trump" stuff and Google the following if you seek true enlightenment N'esy Pas?
Trump Cohen David Amos NAFTA TPP FATCA
Jonas David Jones
In a scant few weeks Mr Scalise will be the MINORITY whip. These threats are the last desperate measures of a sinking Trump and GOP. Canada will be in a much stronger negotiating position in November. We must wait them out.
David Amos
@Jonas David Jones "In a scant few weeks Mr Scalise will be the MINORITY whip"
@John Young Methinks a snide "wow" ain't much better N'esy Pas?
Kyle Smith
"The third most senior Republican in Congress ... urging Canadian negotiators to either drop some of their hardball tactics or risk being left out of a new NAFTA entirely."
... He said hypocritically employing the exact same 'hardball' tactics that he just argued against!
Kyle Smith
@Kyle Smith
Did anyone else notice that Steve Scalise's comment is basically saying "Stop resisting our unreasonable demands!" ?
David Amos
@Kyle Smith I did
Richard Baumann
Notice how the GOP trots this dipstick out in an attempt to put pressure on Canada to sign a sub par deal? Deejay needs a deal because he knows that the current Congress will not approve anything but a trilateral deal.
David Amos
@Richard Baumann Welcome to the Circus
'There is a growing frustration': Top Republican slams Canada's NAFTA negotiating tactics
Trump administration wants a new NAFTA by month's end to meet congressional deadlines
John Paul Tasker· CBC News·
House Republican Whip Steve Scalise, the number 3 Republican in Congress, says he is increasingly frustrated with Canada's NAFTA negotiating tactics. (Jose Luis Magana/AP Photo)
The third most senior Republican in Congress fired a shot across Canada's bow today, urging Canadian negotiators to either drop some of their hardball tactics or risk being left out of a new NAFTA entirely.
In a statement sent to reporters, House Majority Whip Steve Scalise said he and other U.S. lawmakers are growing increasingly frustrated with Canada's refusal to cede ground on some key sticking points standing in the way of a renegotiated trilateral trade deal, saying Canada alone is to blame for the "continued delay."
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Sarah Goldfeder on latest U.S. NAFTA threats to Canada
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'Now is the moment for Canada to really come to the table and finish this out,' says the former U.S. diplomat as Chrystia Freeland heads back to Washington. 7:15
"Members are concerned that Canada does not seem to be ready or willing to make the concessions that are necessary for a fair and high-standard agreement. While we would all like to see Canada remain part of this three-country coalition, there is not an unlimited amount of time for it to be part of this new agreement," Scalise said.
Canada has long sought allies in the NAFTA talks among Republican members of Congress, believing support from U.S. lawmakers could be a crucial backstop in the face of the Trump administration's anti-trade impulses.
Asked about the letter ahead of question period Tuesday, Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said she was not aware of what Scalise had said but insisted again that Canada is negotiating in good faith.
"From the outset of these modernization negotiations, Canada has been extremely co-operative," Freeland said. "Canada is very good at negotiating trade deals. Canada is very good at finding creative compromises."
Minister of Foreign Affairs Chrystia Freeland speaks to reporters in the foyer of the House of Commons following a cabinet meeting on Parliament Hill. Freeland said Canada is negotiating in good faith. (Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press)
Freeland is headed back to Washington tonight to resume ministerial level negotiations with her U.S. counterpart, Robert Lighthizer.
When pressed on trade deals by his political opponents Tuesday, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said his government will not be pressured into signing just any deal.
"We know that only signing good deals for Canadians is in our best interest. As with CPTPP, when it comes to NAFTA, we will sign a good deal or we will not sign," he said, citing the Comprehensive and Progressive Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) trade agreement Canada reached with 10 other Asian-Pacific countries earlier this year. Legislation to implement that deal is currently before Parliament.
U.S. President Donald Trump also tried to tighten the screws on Canadian negotiators Tuesday by claiming that Canada is "not in a good position" now that the U.S. has a deal with Mexico.
"Canada has taken advantage of our country for a long time. We love Canada. We love it. We love the people of Canada, but they're in a position that's not a good position for Canada. They cannot continue to charge us 300 per cent for dairy products and that's what they're doing," he said, citing tariffs Canada places on some dairy imports to protect local farmers.
U.S. negotiators are gunning for a new NAFTA by month's end to get a text of the agreement to Congress for its mandatory 60-day review period. That would allow the deal to be formally signed before Dec 1., when Mexico's new president, a left-leaning politician, takes office.
Once a deal is reached, the text has to be legally "scrubbed"— redrafted by lawyers, translators and negotiators into a final deal that can take legal effect across the NAFTA zone. That process typically takes longer than a few days, meaning the pressure is on to finalize talks to get Congress an agreement by September 30.
Under U.S. law, while Congress can extend fast track negotiating authority to Trump administration officials — as it has with NAFTA — legislators retain the right to review any proposed trade agreement and decide whether it will be implemented. That relationship is governed by a set of strict, legislated timelines that allow Congress enough time to study a deal before delivering a decision.
"Congress takes seriously and intends to fully enforce the deadlines established in the Bipartisan Congressional Trade Priorities and Accountability Act (TPA). We will not short-circuit the open, transparent, and accountable process established under TPA to ensure that the full text is available to the public," Scalise said.
The U.S. and Mexico reached a preliminary, bilateral agreement in August, prompting Canada to return to the negotiating table to settle some lingering irritants standing in the way of a final deal. Scalise said the U.S. is ready to push ahead with a bilateral deal with Mexico if Canada can't commit to some compromises.
"Mexico negotiated in good faith and in a timely manner, and if Canada does not cooperate in the negotiations, Congress will have no choice but to consider options about how best to move forward and stand up for American workers," he said.
U.S. President Donald Trump gives a speech In West Virginia as Steve Scalise, bottom right, looks on. (Andrew Harnik/AP Photo)
However, despite the pressure from Scalise, a top lieutenant of Trump in Congress, there are questions as to whether the White House could proceed with a Mexico-only deal.
Indeed, forcing a two-party deal on Congress could lead to a legislative headache for Republicans, since the fast track negotiating authority that Congress gave Trump and his administration was a for a trilateral deal, with Canada taking part.
Canada is particularly concerned about how Chapter 19 in the original NAFTA — the dispute settlement mechanism used to challenge anti-dumping and countervailing duty cases, which Canada has deployed in the past over the softwood lumber file — has been renegotiated by the U.S. and Mexico.
Chapter 19 has been a do-or-die issue for Canada, as it has often relied on the clause to fight punitive duties. Lighthizer has long opposed this chapter as a violation of U.S. sovereignty.
The U.S. has also been pushing for greater access to the Canadian dairy market, a segment of the economy protected by supply management. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has pledged to protect Canada's existing agricultural policies.
About the Author
John Paul Tasker
Parliamentary Bureau
John Paul (J.P.) Tasker is a reporter in the CBC's Parliamentary bureau in Ottawa. He can be reached at john.tasker@cbc.ca.
Why Ireland doesn't want Apple's $22 billion in back taxes
Jonathon Gatehouse· CBC News·
Ireland's government has collected almost $22 billion in back taxes from Apple, but it is putting the money in escrow as it fights a legal battle that would allow it to give the money back. (Mark Lennihan/Associated Press)
Taxing Apple
Ireland's government has collected almost $22 billion in back taxes from Apple and doesn't intend to do anything with it.
Both the government and the firm are appealing the decision, saying that Apple's tax deal didn't violate any Irish or European laws, but the legal process is likely to take years.
A Journalist uses his iPhone to record a press conference by Paschal Donohoe in Dublin in 2016. The tax battle involving Apple and the EU has been dragging on for several years. (Paul Faith/AFP/Getty Images)
Ireland, which has a corporate tax rate of 12.5 per cent — about half that of other European countries— maintains that the EU ruling interferes with its ability to attract foreign investment.
"It has taken time to establish the infrastructure and legal framework around the escrow fund, but this was essential to protect the interests of all parties to the agreement," Donohoe said today, expressing his hope that the legal case will now be dropped.
Ireland's Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe, seen here in a Feb. 5 interview, said Tuesday that he hopes the European Commission's legal proceedings against the Irish government in the European Court of Justice will be dropped now that Apple's back taxes have been collected and put in escrow.
(Clodagh Kilcoyne/Reuters)
Apple can certainly afford the hit. Last year, the California-headquartered firm made more than $229 billion US in revenue, and ranked as the world's 11th-most-profitable company, reporting net earnings of $48.3 billion.
Critics say that one of the secrets of Apple's success has been its ability to shield its profits offshore, and cut favourable tax deals around the world.
A protestor dressed as Snow White demonstrates outside the parliament buildings in Dublin in September 2016 in support of the EU ruling to collect 13 billion euros in taxes from Apple. (Paul Faith/AFP/Getty Images)
Philip W. Schiller, senior vice-president of worldwide marketing at Apple, introduces the new Apple iPhone XR at its launch event in Cupertino, Calif., on Sept. 12. The company reported net earnings of $48.3 billion US for its last fiscal year. (Stephen Lam/Reuters)
"I don't want to speak for [the Trump administration], but I think they looked at this and said that it's not really great for the United States to put a tariff on those types of products,"Cook said in an interview with Good Morning America.
"The iPhone is assembled in China, but the parts come from everywhere, including the United States.
You know, the glass comes from Kentucky, there are chips that come from the U.S., and of course the research and development is all done in the United States," he said.
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Le ministère des Finances accuse réception de votre correspondance électronique. Soyez assuré(e) que nous apprécions recevoir vos commentaires.
Thank you for your various correspondence about abusive tax schemes, and for your understanding regarding the delay of this response.
This is an opportunity for me to address your concerns about the way the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) deals with aggressive tax planning, tax avoidance, and tax evasion by targeting individuals and groups that promote schemes intended to avoid payment of tax. It is also an opportunity for me to present the Government of Canada’s main strategies for ensuring fairness for all taxpayers.
The CRA’s mission is to preserve the integrity of Canada’s tax system, and it is taking concrete and effective action to deal with abusive tax schemes. Through federal budget funding in 2016 and 2017, the government has committed close to $1 billion in cracking down on tax evasion and combatting tax avoidance at home and through the use of offshore transactions. This additional funding is expected to generate federal revenues of $2.6 billion over five years for Budget 2016, and $2.5 billion over five years for Budget 2017.
More precisely, the CRA is cracking down on tax cheats by hiring more auditors, maintaining its underground economy specialist teams, increasing coverage of aggressive goods and service tax/harmonized sales tax planning, increasing coverage of multinational corporations and wealthy individuals, and taking targeted actions aimed at promoters of abusive tax schemes.
On the offshore front, the CRA continues to develop tools to improve its focus on high‑risk taxpayers. It is also considering changes to its Voluntary Disclosures Program following the first set of program recommendations received from an independent Offshore Compliance Advisory Committee. In addition, the CRA is leading international projects to address the base erosion and profit shifting initiative of the G20 and the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, and is collaborating with treaty partners to address the Panama Papers leaks.
These actions are evidence of the government’s commitment to protecting tax fairness. The CRA has strengthened its intelligence and technical capacities for the early detection of abusive tax arrangements and deterrence of those who participate in them. To ensure compliance, it has increased the number of actions aimed at promoters who use illegal schemes. These measures include increased audits of such promoters, improved information gathering, criminal investigations where warranted, and better communication with taxpayers.
To deter potential taxpayer involvement in these schemes, the CRA is increasing notifications and warnings through its communications products. It also seeks partnerships with tax preparers, accountants, and community groups so that they can become informed observers who can educate their clients.
The CRA will assess penalties against promoters and other representatives who make false statements involving illegal tax schemes. The promotion of tax schemes to defraud the government can lead to criminal investigations, fingerprinting, criminal prosecution, court fines, and jail time.
Between April 1, 2011, and March 31, 2016, the CRA’s criminal investigations resulted in the conviction of 42 Canadian taxpayers for tax evasion with links to money and assets held offshore. In total, the $34 million in evaded taxes resulted in court fines of $12 million and 734 months of jail time.
When deciding to pursue compliance actions through the courts, the CRA consults the Department of Justice Canada to choose an appropriate solution. Complex tax-related litigation is costly and time consuming, and the outcome may be unsuccessful. All options to recover amounts owed are considered.
More specifically, in relation to the KPMG Isle of Man tax avoidance scheme, publicly available court records show that it is through the CRA’s efforts that the scheme was discovered. The CRA identified many of the participants and continues to actively pursue the matter. The CRA has also identified at least 10 additional tax structures on the Isle of Man, and is auditing taxpayers in relation to these structures.
To ensure tax fairness, the CRA commissioned an independent review in March 2016 to determine if it had acted appropriately concerning KPMG and its clients. In her review, Ms. Kimberley Brooks, Associate Professor and former Dean of the Schulich School of Law at Dalhousie University, examined the CRA’s operational processes and decisions in relation to the KPMG offshore tax structure and its efforts to obtain the names of all taxpayers participating in the scheme. Following this review, the report, released on May 5, 2016, concluded that the CRA had acted appropriately in its management of the KPMG Isle of Man file. The report found that the series of compliance measures the CRA took were in accordance with its policies and procedures. It was concluded that the procedural actions taken on the KPMG file were appropriate given the facts of this particular case and were consistent with the treatment of taxpayers in similar situations. The report concluded that actions by CRA employees were in accordance with the CRA’s Code of Integrity and Professional Conduct. There was no evidence of inappropriate interaction between KPMG and the CRA employees involved in the case.
Under the CRA’s Code of Integrity and Professional Conduct, all CRA employees are responsible for real, apparent, or potential conflicts of interests between their current duties and any subsequent employment outside of the CRA or the Public Service of Canada. Consequences and corrective measures play an important role in protecting the CRA’s integrity.
The CRA takes misconduct very seriously. The consequences of misconduct depend on the gravity of the incident and its repercussions on trust both within and outside of the CRA. Misconduct can result in disciplinary measures up to dismissal.
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The new Offshore Tax Informant Program (OTIP) has also been put in place. The OTIP offers financial compensation to individuals who provide information related to major cases of offshore tax evasion that lead to the collection of tax owing. As of December 31, 2016, the OTIP had received 963 calls and 407 written submissions from possible informants. Over 218 taxpayers are currently under audit based on information the CRA received through the OTIP.
With a focus on the highest-risk sectors nationally and internationally and an increased ability to gather information, the CRA has the means to target taxpayers who try to hide their income. For example, since January 2015, the CRA has been collecting information on all international electronic funds transfers (EFTs) of $10,000 or more ending or originating in Canada. It is also adopting a proactive approach by focusing each year on four jurisdictions that raise suspicion. For the Isle of Man, the CRA audited 3,000 EFTs totalling $860 million over 12 months and involving approximately 800 taxpayers. Based on these audits, the CRA communicated with approximately 350 individuals and 400 corporations and performed 60 audits.
In January 2017, I reaffirmed Canada’s important role as a leader for tax authorities around the world in detecting the structures used for aggressive tax planning and tax evasion. This is why Canada works daily with the Joint International Tax Shelter Information Centre (JITSIC), a network of tax administrations in over 35 countries. The CRA participates in two expert groups within the JITSIC and leads the working group on intermediaries and proponents. This ongoing collaboration is a key component of the CRA’s work to develop strong relationships with the international community, which will help it refine the world-class tax system that benefits all Canadians.
The CRA is increasing its efforts and is seeing early signs of success. Last year, the CRA recovered just under $13 billion as a result of its audit activities on the domestic and offshore fronts. Two-thirds of these recoveries are the result of its audit efforts relating to large businesses and multinational companies.
But there is still much to do, and additional improvements and investments are underway.
Tax cheats are having a harder and harder time hiding. Taxpayers who choose to promote or participate in malicious and illegal tax strategies must face the consequences of their actions. Canadians expect nothing less. I invite you to read my most recent statement on this matter at canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/news/2017/03/ statement_from_thehonourabledianelebouthillierministerofnational.
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Sussex candidates split on work opportunities in N.B. TAMMY SCOTT-WALLACE Telegraph-Journal
September 14, 2018 Participating in the Sussex-Fundy-St. Martins meet the candidates event, hosted by the Chamber of Commerce, are Progressive Conservative candidate Bruce Northrup; Fred Harrison of the Green party; Liberal Ian Smyth; Peoples Alliance candidate Jim Bedford and David Amos running as an Independent. Photo: Tammy Scott-Wallace/Telegraph-Journal SUSSEX • The rate in which families are leaving the province and the pain that causes the economy needs to be a primary focus in the Sussex-Fundy-St. Martins riding this election, said Progressive Conservative candidate Bruce Northrup.
And to him, closing the door to the development of the province’s natural resources is the main contributor to the problem of out-migration.
Differing political positions were represented during a meet the candidates event in the riding Wednesday night.
“Why are they going west?” Northrup asked, answering his own question. “To work in oil fields, to work in natural gas.”
Those who move away for work are often lost forever as they settle down and make their family there, he added. Northrup has been staunchly opposed to the moratorium on hydraulic fracturing Brian Gallant’s Liberal put in place following the last provincial election.
“We have to develop our natural gas and natural resources to keep them here. They’re exiting by the hundreds,” Northrup said.
Liberal candidate Ian Smyth, however, sees it differently.
He believes there’s lots of work, but not the right “attitudes.”
He talked about recent job interviews he was conducting on his farm where he was offering a $13 an hour job. The person he was supposed to interview didn’t bother to show up or call, and that happened five times, Smyth said.
“There’s not a shortage of work. There’s all kinds of work,” he said, “but attitudes have to change.”
People have the right to leave the province for better work opportunities, he added.
“It’s all about choices – it’s a free country,” said the father of four young children.
As someone who left his community of St. Martins where he was fire chief for 22 years to go to Alberta, Peoples Alliance candidate Bedford said, he knows how difficult it is to uproot. The low wages he was earning picking rocks, however wasn’t near enough. He sent six resumes to Alberta companies, and he received calls for work from all six of them.
He lived there with his family for 10 years.
“People are payments away from losing their homes,” Bedford said. “We’re fooling ourselves when we say how great we are. Look around your neighbourhood, look around this room.”
Dollar figures on what the sweet spot should be for an adequate provincial minimum wage fluctuated among parties when the question came up.
Independent candidate David Amos, who ran federally the last time around, says people are not earning what they need to survive. He believes $18 an hour is a fair paycheque.
“Why can’t the working man earn what the old man gets?” he said, referring to his old age pension. He said often the working person still has a family to raise at home.
But an appropriate minimum wage is not only about another couple bucks for the worker, Bedford pointed out.
“It’s a fine balancing act,” the Sussex businessman said. A $15 minimum wage, he said, pushes closer to $35 an hour for the employer who has to contribute more for employment insurance and Canada Pension Plan for the worker.
A small crowd of voters attended the Sussex and District Chamber of Commerce event to meet the candidates of Sussex-Fundy-St. Martins on Wednesday night in Sussex Corner. Photo: Tammy Scott-Wallace/Telegraph-Journal That could mean fewer businesses, and in turn fewer jobs.
“You have to look at what the full impact will be,” Bedford said.
Minimum wage in New Brunswick is currently $11.25 an hour, which is similar to the other Maritime provinces.
But the Liberals are committing as part of their election platform to increasing it to $14 an hour gradually, Smyth said.
“People need $14 to survive,” he said.
The Green party wants to do even better than that, said candidate Fred Harrison, by raising the amount $1 a year until it reaches $15.25.
Northrup said the Tories are not committing to an increase.
Amos, Bedford and Northrup all took aim at the controversial carbon tax the Liberals have committed to.
“There’s no disputing climate change,” Amos said. “Mother Nature is going to do what she wants to do. New taxation isn’t going to fix it.”
Bedford also believes it should be eliminated, as should taxes on used vehicles. There should also be a major drop in small business tax, he said.
The Progressive Conservative platform has a sharp focus on reducing taxes, Northrup said.
“My favourite three words in our platform is ‘no more taxes’,” he said. “We want to put more money in your pockets.
“At the end of the day we’re totally, totally taxed out.”
It was a mild, small crowd of about 25 people that gathered to meet the candidates hosted by the Sussex and District Chamber of Commerce in Sussex Corner.
The Chamber held a similar event in early August, before the writ was dropped.
Wednesday evening’s event took place at the same time a televised debate among the provincial party leaders was happening.
Fracking, which is often a hot topic in the Sussex region with the business community supporting it, received varying opinions during the panel discussion.
Amos is against fracking.
“If there’s nothing in it for all of us, why bother?” he said, referring to the companies that have more to benefit than New Brunswickers with its inadequate royalty structure.
But Northup believes there’s a lot of benefit for New Brunswickers to use its own natural resources, from salt mined in Picadilly, to natural gas.
In his opinion, too much is being brought into the province from outside.
“We need to develop our own resources to benefit ourselves,” he said. People in the riding need to work, especially since the potash mine in the riding closed in 2016, taking hundreds of jobs with it.
Bedford cannot reasonably expect there not to be hiccups along the way with any new developments, but feels “the benefits are going to outweigh the risks.”
He too believes “we need to depend on ourselves. We need to get people working.”
Harrison said potential risks need to be fully understood, but generally speaking he doesn’t oppose natural resource development.
“I would still want to err on the side of the environment and encourage and develop more natural resources that are sustainable,” the artist said.
Province’s only independent candidate says he’s never voted TAMMY SCOTT-WALLACE Kings County Record
October 8, 2015 David Amos Independent SUSSEX • One of the province’s most colourful characters this federal election says he knows a lot about politics, but he has never checked a ballot.
“I never voted in my life,” David Amos, the province’s only Independent candidate, said in a meet-and-greet of candidates held in Sussex Tuesday night.
“Understand the game, never played, never voted.”
The mechanic used to run a motorcycle shop in Four Corners near Sussex, and added a lively component to the gathering that gave candidates of Fundy Royal a forum to speak to issues important to the riding, lead by the Sussex & District Chamber of Commerce.
Incumbent Rob Moore, who is seeking re-election for the Conservatives, faced off with Amos at the polls before in 2004. At that time Moore took the riding by a landslide.
Amos told the crowd he offers as an independent because there is no democracy with towing a party line, as he feels the other candidates do.
“You know how they stand and you must say what they say,” Amos said of party lines. “I speak for the people. You’re my boss. I would make a deal with the devil if it behooves what the people want.”
When someone in the crowd referred to a member of parliament as a leader, Amos objected.
“The parliamentarian is your servant,” he said. “He works for you – he’s not your leader. If he re-offers, check his work.”
The issue of representation came up when Patricia McKay asked from the audience whether parties would consider a better way for the electoral system to function. Last election, she pointed out, the majority of people did not vote for the Conservatives yet that party formed government.
Simply put, said Moore, every riding chooses their representative which he sees as a fair way to choose a government.
“The person with the most votes goes to Ottawa,” he said. The party with the most representatives become government.
Amos said the system isn’t about to change.
“Someone like Elizabeth May would have to be prime minister to change it,” the Independent candidate said, referring to the Green party leader.
Alaina Lockhart believes there could be a new way of creating governments, and other countries can be looked at for examples in ensuring the best representation of all people.
“This would be the last first-past-the-post election system,” she said. “We believe we can do better.”
Green party candidate Stephanie Coburn said her party believes there needs to be democratic renewal, which allows for a system where the interests of each riding can be spoken through their MP without recourse. As it is, she said, the party whip tells members how they need to vote on issues.
“And we’re very interested in proportional representation,” Coburn said, which would reflect all of the voters who elect them in proportion to their number instead of the winner-take-all system in place now.
During the debate Moore went under fire by a member of the audience who asked why, after five opportunities to speak, he never once mentioned his leader Stephen Harper’s name.
“I’m running to be member of parliament for this area,” Moore said. “You have to be able to stand on your own two feet.”
He said he respects his leader and feels he has lead the country through considerable economic challenges. Through Harper’s leadership Moore is convinced Canada is an envied nation.
He said he won’t, however, “ride on somebody’s coat tails” as he seeks re-election in Fundy Royal. His hope, he said, is people vote for what he has done the past 10 years in the riding based on his record.
“Each of us here have to get elected – it’s our name on the ballot,” Moore said.
Lockhart said she is proud to use her leader Justin Trudeau’s name.
“I’m standing on my own two feet to be a representative of this area,” he said, “but you have to be proud of your leader as well.”
Jennifer McKenzie, the candidate for the NDP, feels the Harper government failed in finding opportunities to improve the economic condition of the country.
“And the Liberal plan is not much better,” she said. She believes like New Brunswick Liberal Premier Brian Gallant, Trudeau is “likely to do the opposite of what he said he would do during his campaign.”
Amos laughed at the question directed at Moore.
“He won’t say his boss’s name,” the Independent candidate said.
He said, however, he is not only critical of Harper as the other parties tended to be during the evening.
“I don’t like all the leaders,” he said to a chuckling crowd.
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Therien <therien.mike@brunswicknews.com> > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:35:58 -0400 > Subject: Re: ATTN Mike Therien Because you played dumb > To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > I see that you are an independent candidate. I still have no idea why you > are emailing me and phoning and hanging up. If you have an issue, please > state it. Otherwise, please stop. > > *Mike Therien* > Editor | Telegraph Journal > ------------------------------ > > Telephone: (506) 645-3260 > therien.mike@brunswicknews.com > https://www.telegraphjournal.com/ > ------------------------------ > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 18:28:04 -0400 > Subject: Fwd: Here is my latest complaint about the SEC, Banksters and > Taxmen > To: wallace.tammy@brunswicknews.com, "Jacques.Poitras" > <Jacques.Poitras@cbc.ca>, "peacock.kurt" > <peacock.kurt@telegraphjournal.com>, "Robert. Jones" > <Robert.Jones@cbc.ca>, oldmaison <oldmaison@yahoo.com>, andre > <andre@jafaust.com> > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > Date: Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:02 PM > Subject: Fwd: Here is my latest complaint about the SEC, Banksters and > Taxmen > To: "Andre.Lareau"<Andre.Lareau@fd.ulaval.ca> > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Customer Contact Centre <consumer.queries@fca.org.uk> > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:04:38 +0000 (GMT) > Subject: RE: 20150925 David Amos - FSA complaint # ISS10441377 Yo > Minister George Osborne does anyone even w [ > ref:_00Db0K8yP._500b0Puckd:ref ] > To: "motomaniac333@gmail.com"<motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > Our ref: 203286755/ 41282294 > > Dear Mr Amos > > Thanks for your further emails about KPMG and alleged tax evasion. > This response covers both your email to my colleagues in the > complaint team, and also the one addressed directly to us. > > Tax evasion > > Tax evasion is the responsibility of Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs > (HMRC). They're the organisation in the UK that oversees tax law. As > you've got concerns about KPMG and their tax activities in the UK, you > can report this to HMRC. We can't act on reports of tax evasion. > > Also, I can't comment on media reports about action that may be taken, > such as the one you've sent me in the link. What we doWe auhtorise and > regulate financial services firms in the UK. > The types of firms we regulate include banks, mortgage brokers and > insurance providers. > > I realise this isn't the response you were hoping for, but trust that > I've clarified our position. > > Yours sincerely > > Nicola Grady (Miss)Associate > | Customer Contact Centre > > Financial > Conduct Authority > > Consumer Helpline: 0800 111 > 6768 > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Amos [mailto:motomaniac333@gmail.com] > Sent: 25 September 2015 16:04 > To: investigations@cbc.ca; Andre.Lareau@fd.ulaval.ca; dean.buzza; > Complaints Scheme > Cc: David Amos; Consumer Queries; oig; oig > Subject: Fwd: RE FSA complaint # ISS10441377 Yo Minister George > Osborne does anyone even work in "Not So Merry" Old England? > > http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/kpmg-tax-sham-could-lead-to-criminal-investigation-experts-say-1.3223371 > > CBC asked Lareau, an internationally recognized expert on tax law, to > visit the renowned offshore haven in the Irish Sea in a bid to track > down answers about a KPMG tax scheme that the CRA is alleging was > "intended to deceive" authorities. > > "It really is a textbook case of a sham, when you look at the > documents," Lareau concluded. > > But he also cautioned that a criminal investigation would require a > higher burden of proof, both to collect evidence in the first place > and to obtain a conviction. > > And that the CRA would need to show that KPMG and its clients > knowingly deceived tax authorities. > > "They have to prove the intention to defraud the system," he said. > > > > https://www.fd.ulaval.ca/faculte/personnel/46 > > André Lareau > Faculté de droit > Pavillon Charles-De Koninck > 1030, avenue des Sciences-Humaines > Bureau 2135 > Université Laval > Québec (Québec) G1V 0A6 > Contact > (418) 656-2131, poste 3481 > (418) 656-7714 > Andre.Lareau@fd.ulaval.ca > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Customer Contact Centre <consumer.queries@fca.org.uk> > Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:23:10 +0000 (GMT) > Subject: Financial Conduct Authority [ ref:_00Db0K8yP._500b0Puckd:ref ] > To: "motomaniac333@gmail.com"<motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > Dear Mr Amos, > > Thank you for your recent email addressed > to the whistle blowing department within the Financial Conduct Authority > (FCA). > Your email has been passed onto the contact centre as the most > appropriate department to reply to you. > > While I do appreciate you have concerns with KPMG in the US, the FCA > will be unable to intervene as we only regulate the KPMG entity based > in the UK. I can see from your email you have contacted the relevant > bodies in the US and Canada I suggest you continue to liaise with > them. > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 06:18:15 -0400 > Subject: Here is my latest complaint about the SEC, Banksters and Taxmen > To: Andrew.Treusch@cra-arc.gc.ca, John.Ossowski@cra-arc.gc.ca, > Richard.Montroy@cra-arc.gc.ca, irussell@iiac.ca, bamsden@iiac.ca, > ministre@justice.gouv.qc.ca, public.integrity@oag.state.ny.us, > dmills@cra.ca, dfrancis@nationalpost.com, dsimon@stu.ca, > rick.hancox@nbsc-cvmnb.ca, DAmirault@bankofcanada.ca, > ZLalani@bankofcanada.ca, victor.boudreau@gnb.ca, ibruce@petersco.com, > rod.giles@osfi-bsif.gc.ca, tobin.lambie@cica.ca, jlisson@fasken.co.uk, > labe@fasken.com, george.greer@cica.ca, Rachel.degrace@payroll.ca, > Kerry-Lynne.Findlay@cra-arc.gc.ca, atip-aiprp@cra-arc.gc.ca, > atip-aiprp@bankofcanada.ca, jbutler@cppib.com, mmcdaid@cppib.com, > "roger.l.brown"<roger.l.brown@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, pm <pm@pm.gc.ca>, > Karine Fortin <info@ndp.ca>, oig <oig@sec.gov>, > Kerry-Lynne.Findlay@parl.gc.ca, Philippe.Brideau@cra-arc.gc.ca, > Madonna.Gardiner@cra-arc.gc.ca, Bill.Blair@cra-arc.gc.ca, > Doug.Gaetz@cra-arc.gc.ca, "Jacques.Poitras"<Jacques.Poitras@cbc.ca>, > gopublic <gopublic@cbc.ca>, "Robert. Jones"<Robert.Jones@cbc.ca>, > "terry.seguin"<terry.seguin@cbc.ca>, whistle <whistle@fca.gov.uk>, > Whistleblower <Whistleblower@ctv.ca>, whistleblower > <whistleblower@finra.org>, "peter.mackay" > <peter.mackay@justice.gc.ca>, leader <leader@greenparty.ca>, Raynald > Lampron <Lampron.Raynald@psic-ispc.gc.ca> > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>, "matt.taibbi" > <matt.taibbi@rollingstone.com>, "John.Lally" > <John.Lally@fredericton.ca>, jesse <jesse@jessebrown.ca> > > > ENJOY > > https://www.scribd.com/doc/281544801/Federal-Court-Seal > > https://www.scribd.com/doc/281442628/Me-Versus-the-Crown > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 19:19:07 -0400 > Subject: Re: Media: Fundy Royal election story > To: Tamara Gravelle <gravelle.tamara@brunswicknews.com> > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com> > > Sorry but I am not on the Internet much lately and I just got your message > now. > > Ten years ago I returned to my traveling way. I have no home or phone > per se just a MagiJack (902 800 0369) You can call an leave a message > if you wish. However I can only use it while on line and suffice to > say that I do not have an Internet provider so I rely on resturant > WiFi etc as I move about. > > Kinda busy lately I have a lawsuit I must file Monday then see some > folks, I plan to be back in Susses next week to get my name on the > ballot and begin raising some Hell again. Perhaps you will get to see > me in action. > > Best Regards > Dave > > On 9/11/15, Tamara Gravelle <gravelle.tamara@brunswicknews.com> wrote: >> Hey David, >> >> I'm wrapping up the story I'm working on today. If you would like to >> contribute please give me a call at 433-1070 before 5 p.m. >> >> Thanks and I hope to hear from you soon, >> >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Tamara Gravelle < >> gravelle.tamara@brunswicknews.com> wrote: >> >>> Hey David, >>> >>> Unfortunately I won't be back in the office until 9:30 tomorrow. We >>> could >>> either do a phone interview then, or I can email you a list of questions >>> and you can send me back the response. >>> >>> What works best for you? >>> >>> Thanks for the story, it's definitely interesting. >>> >>> Tamara >>> On Sep 10, 2015 5:26 PM, "David Amos"<motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I am online right now are you? >>>> >>>> FYI Here is what you folks wrote 11 years ago >>>> >>>> Raising a Little Hell- Lively Debate Provokes Crowd >>>> >>>> By Erin Hatfield >>>> >>>> "If you don't like what you got, why don't you change it? If your >>>> world is all screwed up, rearrange it." >>>> >>>> The 1979 Trooper song Raise a Little Hell blared on the speakers at >>>> the 8th Hussars Sports Center Friday evening as people filed in to >>>> watch the Fundy candidates debate the issues. It was an accurate, if >>>> unofficial, theme song for the debate. >>>> >>>> The crowd of over 200 spectators was dwarfed by the huge arena, but as >>>> they chose their seats, it was clear the battle lines were drawn. >>>> Supporters of Conservative candidate Rob Moore naturally took the blue >>>> chairs on the right of the rink floor while John Herron's Liberalswent >>>> left. There were splashes of orange, supporters of NDP Pat Hanratty, >>>> mixed throughout. Perhaps the loudest applause came from a row towards >>>> the back, where supporters of independent candidate David Amos sat. >>>> >>>> The debate was moderated by Leo Melanson of CJCW Radio and was >>>> organized by the Sussex Valley Jaycees. Candidates wereasked a barrage >>>> of questions bypanelists Gisele McKnight of the Kings County Record >>>> and Lisa Spencer of CJCW. >>>> >>>> Staying true to party platforms for the most part, candidates >>>> responded to questions about the gun registry, same sex marriage, the >>>> exodus of young people from the Maritimes and regulated gas prices. >>>> Herron and Moore were clear competitors,constantly challenging each >>>> other on their answers and criticizing eachothers' party leaders. >>>> Hanratty flew under the radar, giving short, concise responses to the >>>> questions while Amos provided some food for thought and a bit of comic >>>> relief with quirky answers. "I was raised with a gun," Amos said in >>>> response to the question of thenational gun registry. "Nobody's >>>> getting mine and I'm not paying 10 cents for it." >>>> >>>> Herron, a Progressive Conservative MP turned Liberal, veered from his >>>> party'splatform with regard to gun control. "It was ill advised but >>>> well intentioned," Herron said. "No matter what side of the house I am >>>> on, I'm voting against it." Pat Hanratty agreed there were better >>>> places for the gun registry dollars to be spent.Recreational hunters >>>> shouldn't have been penalized by this gun registry," he said. >>>> >>>> The gun registry issues provoked the tempers of Herron and Moore. At >>>> one point Herron got out of his seat and threw a piece of paper in >>>> front of Moore. "Read that," Herron said to Moore, referring to the >>>> voting record of Conservative Party leader Steven Harper. According to >>>> Herron, Harper voted in favour of the registry on the first and second >>>> readings of the bill in 1995. "He voted against it when it counted, at >>>> final count," Moore said. "We needa government with courage to >>>> register sex offenders rather than register the property of law >>>> abiding citizens." >>>> >>>> The crowd was vocal throughout the evening, with white haired men and >>>> women heckling from the Conservative side. "Shut up John," one woman >>>> yelled. "How can you talk about selling out?" a man yelled whenHerron >>>> spoke about his fear that the Conservatives are selling farmers out. >>>> >>>> Although the Liberal side was less vocal, Kings East MLA Leroy >>>> Armstrong weighed in at one point. "You're out of touch," Armstrong >>>> yelled to Moore from the crowd when the debate turned to the cost of >>>> post-secondary education. Later in the evening Amos challenged >>>> Armstrong to a public debate of their own. "Talk is cheap. Any time, >>>> anyplace," Armstrong responded. >>>> >>>> As the crowd made its way out of the building following the debate, >>>> candidates worked the room. They shook hands with well-wishers and >>>> fielded questions from spectators-all part of the decision-making >>>> process for the June 28 vote. >>>> >>>> Cutline - David Amos, independent candidate in Fundy, with some of his >>>> favourite possessions-motorcycles. >>>> >>>> McKnight/KCR >>>> >>>> The Unconventional Candidate >>>> >>>> David Amos Isn't Campaigning For Your Vote, But.. >>>> >>>> By Gisele McKnight >>>> >>>> FUNDY-He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his >>>> wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone >>>> that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle." >>>> >>>> Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot-David Amos. >>>> >>>> The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife >>>> and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from >>>> running for office in Canada. >>>> >>>> One has only to be at least 18, a Canadian citizen and not be in jail >>>> to meet Elections Canada requirements. >>>> >>>> When it came time to launch his political crusade, Amos chose his >>>> favourite place to do so-Fundy. >>>> >>>> Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his >>>> dissatisfaction with politicians. >>>> >>>> "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he >>>> said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum." >>>> >>>> The journey that eventually led Amos to politics began in Sussex in >>>> 1987. He woke up one morning disillusioned with life and decided he >>>> needed to change his life. >>>> >>>> "I lost my faith in mankind," he said. "People go through that >>>> sometimes in midlife." >>>> >>>> So Amos, who'd lived in Sussex since 1973, closed his Four Corners >>>> motorcycle shop, paid his bills and hit the road with Annie, his 1952 >>>> Panhead motorcycle. >>>> >>>> "Annie and I rode around for awhile (three years, to be exact) >>>> experiencing the milk of human kindness," he said. "This is how you >>>> renew your faith in mankind - you help anyone you can, you never ask >>>> for anything, but you take what they offer." >>>> >>>> For those three years, they offered food, a place to sleep, odd jobs >>>> and conversation all over North America. >>>> >>>> Since he and Annie stopped wandering, he has married, fathered a son >>>> and a daughter and become a house-husband - Mr. Mom, as he calls >>>> himself. >>>> >>>> He also describes himself in far more colourful terms-a motorcyclist >>>> rather than a biker, a "fun-loving, free-thinking, pig-headed >>>> individual," a "pissed-off Maritimer" rather than an activist, a proud >>>> Canadian and a "wild colonial boy." >>>> >>>> Ironically, the man who is running for office has never voted in his >>>> life. >>>> >>>> "But I have no right to criticize unless I offer my name," he said. >>>> "It's alright to bitch in the kitchen, but can you walk the walk?" >>>> >>>> Amos has no intention of actively campaigning. >>>> >>>> "I didn't appreciate it when they (politicians) pounded on my door >>>> interrupting my dinner," he said. "If people are interested, they can >>>> call me. I'm not going to drive my opinions down their throats." >>>> >>>> And he has no campaign budget, nor does he want one. >>>> >>>> "I won't take any donations," he said. "Just try to give me some. It's >>>> not about money. It goes against what I'm fighting about." >>>> >>>> What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues - tainted blood, >>>> the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to >>>> name a few. >>>> >>>> "The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs - fishing, >>>> farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm >>>> death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it >>>> (NAFTA) out the window. >>>> >>>> NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an >>>> easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico. >>>> >>>> Amos disagrees with the idea that a vote for him is a wasted vote. >>>> >>>> "There are no wasted votes," he said. "I want people like me, >>>> especially young people, to pay attention and exercise their right. >>>> Don't necessarily vote for me, but vote." >>>> >>>> Although.if you're going to vote anyway, Amos would be happy to have >>>> your X by his name. >>>> >>>> "I want people to go into that voting booth, see my name, laugh and >>>> say, 'what the hell.'" >>>> >>>> On 9/9/15, Tamara Gravelle <gravelle.tamara@brunswicknews.com> wrote: >>>> > Hi, >>>> > >>>> > I'm a reporter with the Kings County Record in Sussex and I heard you >>>> may >>>> > be running in the federal election this year in the riding of Fundy >>>> Royal. >>>> > >>>> > I was wondering if this is true and, if so, if we could do a short >>>> > phone >>>> > interview for a story? >>>> > >>>> > Please let me know what you think and when would be good for you. >>>> > >>>> > Thanks, >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Tamara Gravelle >>>> > Reporter | Kings County Record >>>> > @TamaraEileenSTU <https://twitter.com/TamaraEileenSTU> >>>> > (W) 433-1070 >>>> > >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Tamara Gravelle >> Reporter | Kings County Record >> @TamaraEileenSTU <https://twitter.com/TamaraEileenSTU> >> (W) 433-1070 >> >
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> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Liliana (Legal Services) Longo"<Liliana.Longo@rcmp-grc.gc.ca> > Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 11:28:36 -0400 > Subject: Re: Attn Suzelle Bazinet.(613-995-5117) I just earlier > Whereas I was not allowed to speak to you today its best that we > confer in writng anyway (Away from the office/absente du bureau) > To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > I will be away from the office June 26 to 28, 2017. In my absence, > Barbara Massey will be acting and she can be reached at (613) 843-6394. > > Je serai absente du bureau du 26 au 28 juin 2017. En mon absence, > Barbara Massey sera interimaire et peut être rejointe au (613) 843-6394. > > Thank you / Merci > Liliana > > > Liliana Longo, Q.C., c.r. > Senior General Counsel / Avocate générale principale > RCMP Legal Services / Services juridiques GRC > 73 Leikin Drive / 73 Promenade Leikin > M8, 2nd Floor / M8, 2ième étage > Mailstop #69 / Arrêt Postal #69 > Ottawa, Ontario > K1A 0R2 > Tel: (613) 843-4451 > Fax: (613) 825-7489 > liliana.longo@rcmp-grc.gc.ca > > Sandra Lofaro > Executive Assistant / > Adjointe exécutive > (613)843-3540 > sandra.lofaro@rcmp-grc.gc.ca > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Brian Gallant <briangallant10@gmail.com> > Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 12:29:03 -0700 > Subject: Merci / Thank you Re: So says the Mean Mindless New Neo Con > Dominic Cardy so say you all? > To: motomaniac333@gmail.com > > (Français à suivre) > > If your email is pertaining to the Government of New Brunswick, please > email me at brian.gallant@gnb.ca > > If your matter is urgent, please email Greg Byrne at greg.byrne@gnb.ca > > Thank you. > > Si votre courriel s'addresse au Gouvernement du Nouveau-Brunswick, > svp m'envoyez un courriel à brian.gallant@gnb.ca > > Pour les urgences, veuillez contacter Greg Byrne à greg.byrne@gnb.ca > > Merci. > > > > ---------- Original message ---------- > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 15:28:58 -0400 > Subject: So says the Mean Mindless New Neo Con Dominic Cardy so say you > all? > To: ATIP-AIPRP@clo-ocol.gc.ca, Ghislaine.Saikaley@clo-ocol.gc.ca, > mylene.theriault@ocol-clo.gc.ca, nelson.kalil@clo-ocol.gc.ca, > "hon.melanie.joly"<hon.melanie.joly@canada.ca>, "Hon.Dominic.LeBlanc" > <Hon.Dominic.LeBlanc@canada.ca>, oldmaison@yahoo.com, > "Katherine.dEntremont"<Katherine.dEntremont@gnb.ca>, > andre@jafaust.com, justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca, briangallant10 > <briangallant10@gmail.com>, premier <premier@gnb.ca>, pm@pm.gc.ca, > "Jack.Keir"<Jack.Keir@gnb.ca>, "jody.carr"<jody.carr@gnb.ca>, > "Dominic.Cardy"<Dominic.Cardy@gnb.ca>, kelly <kelly@lamrockslaw.com>, > "Gerald.Butts"<Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>, > anglophonerights@mail.com, info@thejohnrobson.com, ronbarr@rogers.com, > kimlian@bellnet.ca, iloveblue.beth@gmail.com, "randy.mckeen" > <randy.mckeen@gnb.ca>, BrianThomasMacdonald > <BrianThomasMacdonald@gmail.com>, adam <adam@urquhartmacdonald.com>, > "carl.urquhart"<carl.urquhart@gnb.ca>, "Davidc.Coon" > <Davidc.Coon@gmail.com>, leader <leader@greenparty.ca>, MulcaT > <MulcaT@parl.gc.ca>, "andrew.scheer"<andrew.scheer@parl.gc.ca>, > "heather.bradley"<heather.bradley@parl.gc.ca>, Geoff Regan > <geoff@geoffregan.ca> > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>, "kirk.macdonald" > <kirk.macdonald@gnb.ca>, Hamish.Wright@gnb.ca, jbosnitch > <jbosnitch@gmail.com>, "blaine.higgs"<blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>, > "Rachel.Blaney"<Rachel.Blaney@parl.gc.ca>, david <david@lutz.nb.ca>, > "elizabeth.thompson"<elizabeth.thompson@cbc.ca>, "David.Coon" > <David.Coon@gnb.ca>, "dan. bussieres <dan.bussieres@gnb.ca>, > Tim.RICHARDSON <Tim.RICHARDSON@gnb.ca>, info ,"<info@gg.ca> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Cardy, Dominic (LEG)"<Dominic.Cardy@gnb.ca> > Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 17:02:30 +0000 > Subject: RE: RE A legal state known as "functus" For the Public Record > I talked to Mylene Theriault in Moncton again and she told me that > same thing she did last year > To: "Wright, Hamish (LEG)"<Hamish.Wright@gnb.ca> > Cc: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > Hamish, > > Did you contact Mr. Amos about the elk? How many elk were there? Were > the police involved and if so did they wear the antlers you bought > them? > > DC > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Patrick Bouchard <patrick.bouchard@rcmp-grc.gc.ca> > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 15:44:18 -0400 > Subject: Re: Fwd: RE A legal state known as "functus" Perhaps you, > Governor General Johnston and Commissioner Paulson and many members of > the RCMP should review pages 1 and 4 one document ASAP EH Minister > Goodale? (AOL) > To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > I will be AOL until July 6th 2017. > > I will not have access to Groupwise. > > I may be reached at my personal e-mail thebouchards15@gmail.com > depending on data coverage. > > ********************************************************* > > Je vais être en vacances jusqu'au 6 Juillet 2017. > > Je n'aurais pas accès a mon GroupWise. > > Il est possible que je vérifies mon courriel personnel > thebouchards15@gmail.com de temps à autre. > > > > Cpl.Patrick Bouchard > RSC 5 RCMP-GRC > Sunny-Corner Detachment > English/Français > Off: 506-836-6015 > Cell : 506-424-0071 > >>>> David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> 06/22/17 16:43 >>> > > >> http://www.ocol-clo.gc.ca/en/contact/index >> >> Atlantic Region >> Commissioner’s Representative:Mylène Thériault >> Heritage Court >> 95 Foundry Street, Suite 410 >> Moncton, New Brunswick E1C 5H7 >> Telephone: 506-851-7047 >> >> BTW I called this dude too and left a voicemail telling him to dig >> into his records and find what he should to give to his temporary boss >> ASAP >> >> Access to Information and Privacy Coordinator >> Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages >> 30 Victoria Street, 6th Floor >> Gatineau, Quebec K1A 0T8 >> Telephone: 819-420-4718 >> E-mail: ATIP-AIPRP@clo-ocol.gc.ca >> >> Clearly I have very good reasons to make these calls N'esy Pas Mr >> Prime Minister Trudeau "The Younger and Mr Speaker Geof Regan??? >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com >> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:32:09 -0400 >> Subject: Attn Integrity Commissioner Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C., >> To: coi@gnb.ca >> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com >> >> Good Day Sir >> >> After I heard you speak on CBC I called your office again and managed >> to speak to one of your staff for the first time >> >> Please find attached the documents I promised to send to the lady who >> answered the phone this morning. Please notice that not after the Sgt >> at Arms took the documents destined to your office his pal Tanker >> Malley barred me in writing with an "English" only document. >> >> These are the hearings and the dockets in Federal Court that I >> suggested that you study closely. >> >> This is the docket in Federal Court >> >> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=T-1557-15&select_court=T >> >> These are digital recordings of the last three hearings >> >> Dec 14th https://archive.org/details/BahHumbug >> >> January 11th, 2016 https://archive.org/details/Jan11th2015 >> >> April 3rd, 2017 >> >> https://archive.org/details/April32017JusticeLeblancHearing >> >> >> This is the docket in the Federal Court of Appeal >> >> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=A-48-16&select_court=All >> >> >> The only hearing thus far >> >> May 24th, 2017 >> >> https://archive.org/details/May24thHoedown >> >> >> This Judge understnds the meaning of the word Integrity >> >> Date: 20151223 >> >> Docket: T-1557-15 >> >> Fredericton, New Brunswick, December 23, 2015 >> >> PRESENT: The Honourable Mr. Justice Bell >> >> BETWEEN: >> >> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS >> >> Plaintiff >> >> and >> >> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN >> >> Defendant >> >> ORDER >> >> (Delivered orally from the Bench in Fredericton, New Brunswick, on >> December 14, 2015) >> >> The Plaintiff seeks an appeal de novo, by way of motion pursuant to >> the Federal Courts Rules (SOR/98-106), from an Order made on November >> 12, 2015, in which Prothonotary Morneau struck the Statement of Claim >> in its entirety. >> >> At the outset of the hearing, the Plaintiff brought to my attention a >> letter dated September 10, 2004, which he sent to me, in my then >> capacity as Past President of the New Brunswick Branch of the Canadian >> Bar Association, and the then President of the Branch, Kathleen Quigg, >> (now a Justice of the New Brunswick Court of Appeal). In that letter >> he stated: >> >> As for your past President, Mr. Bell, may I suggest that you check the >> work of Frank McKenna before I sue your entire law firm including you. >> You are your brother’s keeper. >> >> Frank McKenna is the former Premier of New Brunswick and a former >> colleague of mine at the law firm of McInnes Cooper. In addition to >> expressing an intention to sue me, the Plaintiff refers to a number of >> people in his Motion Record who he appears to contend may be witnesses >> or potential parties to be added. Those individuals who are known to >> me personally, include, but are not limited to the former Prime >> Minister of Canada, The Right Honourable Stephen Harper; former >> Attorney General of Canada and now a Justice of the Manitoba Court of >> Queen’s Bench, Vic Toews; former member of Parliament Rob Moore; >> former Director of Policing Services, the late Grant Garneau; former >> Chief of the Fredericton Police Force, Barry McKnight; former Staff >> Sergeant Danny Copp; my former colleagues on the New Brunswick Court >> of Appeal, Justices Bradley V. Green and Kathleen Quigg, and, retired >> Assistant Commissioner Wayne Lang of the Royal Canadian Mounted >> Police. >> >> In the circumstances, given the threat in 2004 to sue me in my >> personal capacity and my past and present relationship with many >> potential witnesses and/or potential parties to the litigation, I am >> of the view there would be a reasonable apprehension of bias should I >> hear this motion. See Justice de Grandpré’s dissenting judgment in >> Committee for Justice and Liberty et al v National Energy Board et al, >> [1978] 1 SCR 369 at p 394 for the applicable test regarding >> allegations of bias. In the circumstances, although neither party has >> requested I recuse myself, I consider it appropriate that I do so. >> >> >> AS A RESULT OF MY RECUSAL, THIS COURT ORDERS that the Administrator of >> the Court schedule another date for the hearing of the motion. There >> is no order as to costs. >> >> “B. Richard Bell” >> Judge >> >> >> Below after the CBC article about your concerns (I made one comment >> already) you will find the text of just two of many emails I had sent >> to your office over the years since I first visited it in 2006. >> >> I noticed that on July 30, 2009, he was appointed to the the Court >> Martial Appeal Court of Canada Perhaps you should scroll to the >> bottom of this email ASAP and read the entire Paragraph 83 of my >> lawsuit now before the Federal Court of Canada? >> >> "FYI This is the text of the lawsuit that should interest Trudeau the >> most >> >> http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2015/09/v-behaviorurldefaultvmlo.html >> >> 83 The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war >> in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to >> allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over >> five years after he began his bragging: >> >> January 13, 2015 >> This Is Just AS Relevant Now As When I wrote It During The Debate >> >> December 8, 2014 >> Why Canada Stood Tall! >> >> Friday, October 3, 2014 >> Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And >> Stupid Justin Trudeau? >> >> >> Vertias Vincit >> David Raymond Amos >> 902 800 0369 >> >> P.S. Whereas this CBC article is about your opinion of the actions of >> the latest Minister Of Health trust that Mr Boudreau and the CBC have >> had my files for many years and the last thing they are is ethical. >> Ask his friends Mr Murphy and the RCMP if you don't believe me. >> >> Subject: >> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:35 -0400 >> From: "Murphy, Michael B. \(DH/MS\)"MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca >> To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com >> >> January 30, 2007 >> >> WITHOUT PREJUDICE >> >> Mr. David Amos >> >> Dear Mr. Amos: >> >> This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29, >> 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP. >> >> Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have >> taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve >> Graham of the RCMP “J” Division in Fredericton. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Honourable Michael B. Murphy >> Minister of Health >> >> CM/cb >> >> >> Warren McBeath warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote: >> >> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:34:53 -0500 >> From: "Warren McBeath"warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca >> To: kilgoursite@ca.inter.net, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca, >> nada.sarkis@gnb.ca, wally.stiles@gnb.ca, dwatch@web.net, >> motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com >> CC: ottawa@chuckstrahl.com, riding@chuckstrahl.com,John.Foran@gnb.ca, >> Oda.B@parl.gc.ca,"Bev BUSSON"bev.busson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, >> "Paul Dube"PAUL.DUBE@rcmp-grc.gc.ca >> Subject: Re: Remember me Kilgour? Landslide Annie McLellan has >> forgotten me but the crooks within the RCMP have not >> >> Dear Mr. Amos, >> >> Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off >> over the holidays and returned to work this evening. Rest assured I >> was not ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns. >> >> As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our position >> is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process >> testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the >> Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these >> services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this >> instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done. >> >> As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false >> imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear >> that Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada >> the US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment >> and policing in Petitcodiac, NB. >> >> It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on >> December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Warren McBeath, Cpl. >> GRC Caledonia RCMP >> Traffic Services NCO >> Ph: (506) 387-2222 >> Fax: (506) 387-4622 >> E-mail warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca >> >> >> >> Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C., >> Office of the Integrity Commissioner >> Edgecombe House, 736 King Street >> Fredericton, N.B. CANADA E3B 5H1 >> tel.: 506-457-7890 >> fax: 506-444-5224 >> e-mail:coi@gnb.ca >> >>
----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Therien <therien.mike@brunswicknews.com> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:35:58 -0400 Subject: Re: ATTN Mike Therien Because you played dumb To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
I see that you are an independent candidate. I still have no idea why you are emailing me and phoning and hanging up. If you have an issue, please state it. Otherwise, please stop.
----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "McKnight, Gisele"McKnight.Gisele@kingscorecord.com > > > > To: lcampenella@ledger.com > > > > Cc:motomaniac_02186@hotmail.com > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 2:53 PM > > > > Subject: David Amos > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Lisa, > > > > > David Amos asked me to contact you. I met him last June after he > > became > > > an > > > > > independent (not representing any political party) candidate in our > > > > federal > > > > > election that was held June 28. > > > > > > > > > > He was a candidate in our constituency of Fundy (now called > > > Fundy-Royal). > > > > I > > > > > wrote a profile story about him, as I did all other candidates. That > > > story > > > > > appeared in the Kings County Record June 22. A second story, written > > by > > > > one > > > > > of my reporters, appeared on the same date, which was a report on > the > > > > > candidates' debate held June 18. > > > > > > > > > > As I recall David Amos came last of four candidates in the election. > > The > > > > > winner got 14,997 votes, while Amos got 358. > > > > > > > > > > I have attached the two stories that appeared, as well as a photo > > taken > > > by > > > > > reporter Erin Hatfield during the debate. I couldn't find the photo > > that > > > > > ran, but this one is very similar. > > > > > > > > > > Gisele McKnight > > > > > editor A1-debate A1-amos,David for MP 24.doc debate 2.JPG > > > > > Kings County Record > > > > > Sussex, New Brunswick > > > > > Canada > > > > > 506-433-1070 > > > > > > > > > > > > Raising a Little Hell- Lively Debate Provokes Crowd
By Erin Hatfield
"If you don't like what you got, why don't you change it? If your world is all screwed up, rearrange it."
The 1979 Trooper song Raise a Little Hell blared on the speakers at the 8th Hussars Sports Center Friday evening as people filed in to watch the Fundy candidates debate the issues. It was an accurate, if unofficial, theme song for the debate.
The crowd of over 200 spectators was dwarfed by the huge arena, but as they chose their seats, it was clear the battle lines were drawn. Supporters of Conservative candidate Rob Moore naturally took the blue chairs on the right of the rink floor while John Herron's Liberalswent left. There were splashes of orange, supporters of NDP Pat Hanratty, mixed throughout. Perhaps the loudest applause came from a row towards the back, where supporters of independent candidate David Amos sat.
----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Therien <therien.mike@brunswicknews.com> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:18:11 -0400 Subject: Re: ATTN Mike Therien We just talked and I could not get to first base with you So I must ask why does the Irviing media still play dumb after all these years? To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Mr Amos, I have now received your email. I'm not sure why you have emailed me, nor why you phoned my office and hung up. Mike
You are welcome Premier Gallant and Premier Ford Please notice that two years later I finally got my Barring notice in English ONLY
---------- Original message ---------- From: "Gallant, Premier Brian (PO/CPM)" Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 16:48:36 +0000 Subject: RE: Meet the Evil Acadian Herménégilde Chiasson yapping on CBC 14 years to the day after he and Danny Boy Bussieres and Kevin Vickers of the RCMP had me Barred from the legislature in New Brunswick To: David Amos
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---------- Original message ---------- From: Jody.Wilson-Raybould@parl.gc.ca Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 17:28:57 +0000 Subject: Automatic reply: You are welcome Premier Gallant and Premier Ford Please notice that two years later I finally got my Barring notice in English ONLY To: david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com
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---------- Original message ---------- From: "Barry, Clare"<Clare.Barry@justice.gc.ca> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 17:28:55 +0000 Subject: Automatic reply: You are welcome Premier Gallant and Premier Ford Please notice that two years later I finally got my Barring notice in English ONLY To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Je serai absente du bureau entre le 7 et 24 septembre, 2018. Dans mon absence, veuillez contactez Ginette Mazerolle ou Sam Boorman dans notre bureau regional. I will be away from the office from September 7 to 24, 2018 inclusive. In my absence, kindly contact Ginette Mazerolle or Sam Boorman of the Atlantic Regional Office.
Replying to @DavidRayAmos@Kathryn98967631 and 48 others Methinks it is quite a revelation that Brian Gallant's Liberals have a wide lead in the polls among francophone New Brunswickers N'esy Pas?
It's high time we stop allowing the Liberal and Conservative party to think that they're the only two jockeying for power, and if we're displeased with one after 4 years, that a win for the other will be a sure thing. Stop splitting the dissent vote, support the NDP, and shock the Liberals and Conservatives back to the drawing board to regain any shred of appeal they might have once held.
Johnny Horton
@Greg Smith
NDP? In NB? Never happen.
The Greens would win long before the NDP in this province.
No, I don’t support the Greens.
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David Amos
@Johnny Horton "No, I don’t support the Greens."
Pick me I am a vegetable
David Amos
"Brian Gallant's Liberals have a wide lead in the polls among francophone New Brunswickers, but are trailing among anglophones"
Wow Methinks that is quite a revelation N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Not really, they always trail with the English population before a switch, the same would have happened to the Cons if the would have won last election.
Mark Deckard
Brian Gallant is taking the Acadian vote for granted. Proof: he's not even running radio ads on the most listened to francophone radio station in the province (which covers his riding btw). But he's running radio ads on a English rock station. Acadians need to wake up. There's more than one party to vote for. If you don't want to vote PC, vote Green.
David Amos
@Mark Deckard "Brian Gallant is taking the Acadian vote for granted"
I agree
Paul Arseneault
@David Amos If the Liberal party is taking the north, where I live, for granted by not running various ads, what does it say about the PC party's perception of the north by electing a leader who can not even speak the predominant language of the people?
Paul Arseneault
@Mark Deckard If the Liberal party is taking the north, where I live, for granted by not running various ads, what does it say about the PC party's perception of the north by electing a leader who can not even speak the predominant language of the people?
David Amos
@Paul Arseneault Methinks you are a little redundant N'esy Pas?
Dwight Williams
It works the same way nationally.
Does it really matter if the CPC wins seats in Alberta and Saskatchewan by 60% or 65%?
Yet the same people telling you here that this doesn't matter will tell you that it does matter in other cases.
David Amos
@Dwight Williams Methinks Harper figured out during the last election that not all Maritimers were not defeatists as they defeated his minions in every riding N'esy Pas?
Colin Seeley
Now why would Francophone’s seem so partial to Liberalism ?
Perhaps it’s got something to do with where the money gets spent.
JJ Carrier
@Marc Martin Votes in NB are more riding by riding than most...Look at Doucett, Hache, Culbert, Maher, Godin etc etc
David Amos
@JJ Carrier Not really
Mario Doucet
The English language debate in Quebec proves the tides are turning on bilingualism, liberal pandering to the French won't be enough in the future to determine the outcome of provincial elections anymore.
David Amos
@Mario Doucet Heres hoping
Mario Doucet
87 + thousand have already decided they don't want the liberals again.
David Amos
@Mario Doucet Methinks they decided something but I only of how one person voted and so should you N'esy Pas?
Mario Doucet
The Trudeau carbon tax scam has been enough to defeat liberals elsewhere.
David Amos
@Mario Doucet YUP
Craig O'Donnell
Sounds like it's time to start thinking about dividing this province into 2 separate ones.
David Amos
@Craig O'Donnell Methinks its High Time we had a Constitution N'esy Pas?
Bernard McIntyre
Eric Grenier, with 4 other parties running in this election whom you didn't mention, maybe the lib or con might not end up with majority. Hopefully this happens because N.B can't afford an other lib or con majority government.
David Amos
@Bernard McIntyre Heres hoping for a minority
Bernard McIntyre
There are more than francophone and anglophone people in N.B in case the writer of this article doesn't know.
David Amos
@Bernard McIntyre YUP there are lots of Scottish and Irish folks too. Methinks French folks should Google "Harper and Bankers" and look for names such as McKenna and Bragg N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, "N'esy Pas"? What language is that?
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Chiac
Marc Martin
@David Amos
I know some Chiacs and I've never heard them say that...Are you making things up again David?
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, I live at the center of Chiac country and there is no such word. That "N'esy Pas?" at the end of all your comments is mighty childish and corny.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks you should call my fellow Independent Dr Roger Richard in Kent North and ask him if he has heard my Chiac before when he comes down to Fundy N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Kris Austin, a former pastor? - Well that explains why he is so tolerant to minorities, just like those south of the border.
Marc Martin
@Marguerite Deschamps
Agreed.
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks that you should have wrote that in Chiac N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
How is the life on social assistance David ?
David Amos
@Marc Martin Clearly you have no idea who I am N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
No idea and dont want to know.
Paul Arseneault
Here are my seat predictions for Monday's election. If anyone does see it different, please let me know. Thank you. Liberal 26 seats...( Rest-West, Camp-Dal, Rest-Ch,Bath-West,Bath-East, Caraquet, Ship-Lam, Trac-Sheila, Mir-Bay-Neg, Mir, Kent-North, Kent-South, Shed-Bay, Shed-Beau, Mem-Tan, Dieppe, Monc-East, Monc-Center, Monc-South, Fundy Isles-S.J., St. Croix, Fred-North, Carl-Vic, Vic-LaV, Ed-Mad, Mad-Les-Lacs)...P.C. 21 seats...( South-West-Mir, Monc-North, Monc-South, Riverview, Albert, Gage-Petit, Sussex-Fun, Hampton, Quis, Roth, S.J.East, Port-Sim, S.J. Har, Lanc, Kings-Cen, Oro-Linc, New Mary- Sun, Fred-York, Fred-West, Carl-York, Carleton, ) Green 1...( Fred-South), P.A. 1 ( Fred-Grand-Lake) .If I mistakenly left one out, or made some other accounting error my apologies. Any thoughts?
David Amos
@Paul Arseneault Methinks like most elections there may a few surprises at the Circus that nobody could predict N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@Paul Arseneault
You are going to make the purple crowd throw you tomato's lol
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. Hopefully you will still lol if the purple and green crowds hold the power.
Paul Arseneault
@Marc Martin This is really just as I see it. I believe that the only liberal seat I placed in their win column, that might be in jeopardy is Stephen Horsman's seat in Fredericton. Other than that, I think this is pretty much how it shakes out.
Marc Martin
@Paul Arseneault
Stephen Horseman will be re-elected.
Paul Arseneault
@Marc Martin I hope so. A good friend and a good man!
Marc Martin
@Paul Arseneault
Yeah he's pretty much everywhere unlike the purple leader who only attends Anti-French rally's and meetings.
Dianne MacPherson
@Paul Arseneault But he doesn't belong in Politics !!!!
Marc Martin
@Dianne MacPherson
Of course he does ! At least he can spell Fredericton correctly. :)
Dianne MacPherson
@Marc Martin CASE CLOSED !!!
Dan Armitage
@Dianne MacPherson its the same every time he speaks
Marc Martin
@Dianne MacPherson
Not really, it will be closed when I decide too.
Marc Martin
@Dan Armitage
The Anti-French does not like me because I overwhelm them with facts.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Reviser. Translation Services (Unit) · Service New Brunswick
David Amos
@Marc Martin I remember you
Gil Murray
It would be best if the billion $ boy failed to get a majority government. I doubt that my middle class income could withstand the strain of ever increasing taxes after electing the liberals. I don't like Blaine Higgs too much either but by comparison, at least he is not promising to "invest" the remainder of my earnings in questionable ventures and McKenna's TD Bank. Not before the election at any rate. I would like to see somebody new who understands priorities and restraint.
David Amos
@Gil Murray "I don't like Blaine Higgs too much either but by comparison, at least he is not promising to "invest" the remainder of my earnings in questionable ventures and McKenna's TD Bank. Not before the election at any rate."
Methinks folks should Google "Harper and Bankers" and look for names such as McKenna and Bragg N'esy Pas?
Redmond O'Hanlon
Sounds like more fear mongering on "splitting the vote".
David Amos
@Redmond O'Hanlon It is
Marc LeBlanc
Forget the polls.Gathering polling information via land lines is antiquated and inaccurate.The undecideds will determine the outcome of this election
David Amos
@Marc LeBlanc YUP
Dan Armitage
If Gallants government gets a majority get ready for them to spend more and take more from us. Not that we have anymore to give. They up'd the gas tax twice by adding 3 cents on the Litre as well adding 2 points on the PST. So how will they gauge us next time. It would have made sense but not taking care of the deficit proved how they have thier own agendas instead of the agenda for all New Brunswickers we are going bankrupt so get ready
David Amos
@Dan Armitage I concur
Johnny Horton
The polls aren’t close, but Eric Grendel still needs to justify his paycheque and convince his bosses he has a purpose.
David Amos
@Johnny Horton YUP
Shawn McShane
New Brunswick has slipped to the bottom of the list of median household income of all provinces and territories, down from second-lowest in 2005 with the highest rate of children living in low-income households. Yet with New Brunswick's individual tax burden- provincial personal income taxes, social security contributions paid by employees, property taxes, provincial sales taxes and the HST makes us the highest taxed province. Keep voting for more of the same with red or blue.
David Amos
@Shawn McShane Methinks the NDP and the Greens would be even worse when it comes to taxation N'esy Pas?
JJ Carrier
Been saying this for years for my readers for Brunswick News and my other pubs...How is this new?
Methinks everybody knows I am running in this election and am still an Intervener in this matter N'esy Pas?
Marc LeBlanc
Correction...It will cost the taxpayers 135M
David Amos
@Marc LeBlanc More
Thomas Imber
It sounds like the supposed Liberal "freeze" on power bills has a caveat attached. Like everything Gallant says, there's always a catch, and it always costs New Brunswickers more.
David Amos
@Thomas Imber YUP
Matt Steele
A power rate freeze would be great for New Brunswicker's ; and the short fall in revenue could easily be absorbed by cuts within the utility . N.B. Power is heavily overstaffed , and has been used as a make work project for political appointees for years . Rate payers would be shocked at the salaries that many N.B. Power employees are being paid ; even some of the Security Guards at Pt. Lepreau make in excess of a $100,000 a year ; and then people wonder why the power rates are so high ?.
David Amos
@Matt Steele "N.B. Power is heavily overstaffed , and has been used as a make work project for political appointees for years "
YUP
Murray Brown
So a taxpayer funded utility will need to give carbon taxes to the taxpayer funded federal government... Hmm! Pardon me while I laugh a minute. NB Power is likely one of the most wasteful and bloated utilities in existence. And with regards to carbon taxes, individuals who are truly convinced that the sky is falling are fee to pay extra taxes if they prefer to. The rest of us would prefer to keep the little bit of money we are left with after paying too many taxes already, in our own pockets.
David Amos
@Murray Brown Welcome to the Circus
stephen blunston
I do agree that nb power can probably find a lot of money to save if they stop letting their buddies run it , but at those costs I not sure. maybe they need to get big business to fair actual costs and polluters pay , or better yet stop selling to the US east coast cheaper than they sell it to us
David Amos
@stephen blunston I agree
Shawn McShane
Progressive Conservative carbon tax impact isn't exaggerated after all?
The utility indicated that if carbon taxes were imposed at those levels (federal) it would require significantly more money from customers...
David Amos
@Shawn McShane YUP
Jeff Smith
Another flat regressive tax on everyone is what carbon taxes are. Why do Liberals always try to dress it up as something good?
David Amos
@Jeff Smith Methinks its just another one of those things "Canada's Natural Governing Party" does that most of us fail to appreciate N'esy Pas?
herbie harris
NB power will have to find some cost savings that's all imagine if they really could and the taxpayers got stable rates for the next 4 years.. WOW
David Amos
@herbie harris Imagine
Marc Martin
They should have sold NB Powers year ago. The Anglo did not want to sell it.
Toby Tolly
@Marc Martin the problem is you dont pick who you sell it to you put it out for offers (shady deal)
Marc Martin
@Toby Tolly
Ah the famous don't sell it to *Quebec* because they are French...Look at where we are now, all the Anglo fault.
Rosco holt
@Marc Martin We would have the same rates, if not higher.
The sale was to please Irving, not benefit NBers.
Shawn McShane
@Marc Martin MONTREAL — Two Hydro-Quebec executives in charge of the contentious smart-meter program quietly resigned...The $1-billion smart-meter file has sparked boycotts and petitions over the safety of the devices and Hydro-Quebec’s pushy installation measures. Clients have reported major hikes on their hydro bills and difficulty getting answers from Hydro-Quebec.
stephen blunston
@Marc Martin we wanty4ed to sell but the company buying didn't want all the parts like coal plants and stuff they only wanted the good parts and leave taxpayers to pay to decommission the bad parts , glad they didn't take that terrible deal
Marc Martin
@Rosco holt
*We would have the same rates*
But less of 6 billion in depth
*The sale was to please Irving*
The sale to Quebec was to be able to bring down rates for big companies to establish in NB, NB is among the highest in electricity rates for big industries.
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane
And what does this have anything to do with my post ? Remember what I told you earlier pot will only be legal in October.
Marc Martin
@stephen blunston
Terrible deal eh, they would have taken the Mactaquac dam, how is the dam going to cost us again ? minimum 4 billion and they would have given us 5 billion to buy the power plant. Another thing you might add is that all the salaries on NB power where going to be paid by Hydro Quebec. Oh before I forget since the electricity lines could not carry enough electricity to sell to the US they would have upgraded them all , that would have brought jobs to the province...Lets do the math shall we...5 billion + 4.5 Billion + 5 million in salaries = 10 billion $... The 10 billion $ would have done a lot for the province don't you think...
Marc Martin
@stephen blunston
Oh I forgot...Hydro Quebec qould have taken over the cost of Point Lepreau after it was completed...It was completed 3 years ago..Now lets do math again, Point Lepreau costs us 1 million a day each time its closed..So we probably ended paying around 500+ million so far. Anymore questions or concerns?
Rosco holt
@Marc Martin *We would have the same rates*
But less of 6 billion in depth
*The sale was to please Irving*
The sale to Quebec was to be able to bring down rates for big companies to establish in NB, NB is among the highest in electricity rates for big industries.*We would have the same rates*
You fail to understand that we would pay either way, 6 billion would still be paid be NBers.
Has for big Industries having the highest rates, that's BS brought by Irving to get his way. It's been said at the EUB that big industrial users don't pay their fair share of the electricity they use. Their rate is below the cost of production. If I recall correctly their rate is 3 c/KWH while the cost of production was 7.
And what big industry would come to NB, except those who come to get huge subsidies?
Marc Martin
@Rosco holt
*You fail to understand that we would pay either way, 6 billion would still be paid be NBers. *
Not at all...and I explained it and wont explain it again, you can ask an intelligent relative of yours to explain it to you.
*Has for big Industries having the highest rates, that's BS brought by Irving to get his way.*
*And what big industry would come to NB, except those who come to get huge subsidies?*
Every industry live on subsidies across Canada.
Rosco holt
@Marc Martin "Not at all...and I explained it and wont explain it again, you can ask an intelligent relative of yours to explain it to you. "
You should question you're own intelligence if you believe what politicians says.
By their chart NB rates are 4th that's in (2017).
Hydro Quebec's plan was to raise rates to pay for their purchase . The Graham plan was to transfer ownership of the assets( no money) that Quebec wanted which was mainly transmission and sold what they didn't wanted, out of which there were no guarantee that the third party buyers would respect the agreement between the Graham government and Hydro.
"Every industry live on subsidies across Canada." That is why we are in a financial mess.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks we should meet N'esy Pas?
Why winning the most votes might not be enough for Brian Gallant's Liberals
Liberals have historically needed far more votes than the PCs to secure a majority
Éric Grenier· CBC News·
Brian Gallant's Liberals have a wide lead in the polls among francophone New Brunswickers, but are trailing among anglophones. (James West/Canadian Press)
For Brian Gallant's Liberals, winning the most votes in New Brunswick's Sept. 24 election might not be enough to keep their party in power.
The Liberals have historically won francophone ridings with strong majorities — bumping up the party's popular vote — but ultimately lose or end up with a minority government when the Progressive Conservatives squeak by in anglophone ridings. Whether a party wins a seat by 2,000 votes or 200 votes, they still only get one seat..
It's called an inefficient vote and polls are increasingly suggesting it could be at play in 2018. That means Gallant might need to beat Blaine Higgs' Progressive Conservatives by a significant margin in the provincewide popular vote to secure another majority government.
According to the CBC's New Brunswick Poll Tracker, the Liberals hold a 6.7-point lead over the PCs and are projected to win between 22 and 35 seats, compared to 12-25 seats for the Tories. The most likely outcome would give the Liberals 27 seats, but in three of those ridings the Liberals are projected to have a lead of three points or less. It would not take much to flip those seats blue and drop the Liberals below the 25-seat threshold for a majority government.
The model suggests that if the Liberal lead over the PCs province wide drops below five points, they would no longer be favoured to win more seats than the PCs.
This is nothing new for the Liberals. While their vote's inefficiency is not a constant in every provincial election, the Liberals have needed more votes to win more seats than the PCs in most elections since New Brunswick first adopted single-member districts in 1974.
Ridings won by thin spreads decided 2014 election
This was especially marked in 2014, when the Liberals won just six more seats than the PCs despite taking the popular vote by a margin of 8.1 percentage points. The four ridings the Liberals took by the narrowest margins — the ridings that made the difference between the Liberals and PCs forming a majority government — were won by a difference of 1.4 points or less.
Theoretically, had the popular vote swung toward the PCs by just 1.4 points, those four seats would have gone to the Tories. This means that the PCs could have won a majority government while losing the popular vote by as much as 6.7 points.
While that's the most extreme example, the PCs could still have secured a majority government in 1974, 1987 and 1995 even if they had lost the popular vote by around four points.
On average, the Liberals have needed to win the popular vote by at least 1.7 points in order to win a majority government. If we exclude the 1991 provincial election — in which the Confederation of Regions party formed the official opposition with 21.2 per cent of the vote, splitting the conservative vote with the PCs — the Liberals have needed an average lead of at least 2.3 points over the PCs to win a majority government.
In only three of the last 11 elections in New Brunswick has the PC vote been more inefficient: in 1991, 2003 and 2006.
Francophone vote behind inefficiency
According to the electoral boundaries and representation commission — which redrew the province's electoral boundaries before the 2014 vote — there were 14 ridings in which at least two-thirds of the population listed French as its mother tongue in the 2011 census.
In those 14 ridings, the Liberals won an average of 56 per cent of the vote in 2014, beating the Progressive Conservatives by 28.5 points and winning 13 of them.
By comparison, the PCs won 10 of the 14 ridings with the highest share of anglophones. On average, the PCs were 9.1 points ahead of the Liberals in these 14 ridings. Overall, ridings in which at least four-fifths of the population was English-speaking were won by the PCs by an average margin of 7.5 points.
Liberal gains among francophones in 2014
However, this represents a rather dramatic swing from earlier elections. In 2010, the PCs won those French-speaking ridings by an average of 2.9 points — and the predominantly anglophone ones by a margin of 23 points.
In 2006, there was virtually no linguistic split between the two parties. The Liberals won the most francophone ridings by an average of 0.2 points and lost the anglophone ones by 0.3 points.
It suggests there was a dramatic swing in the francophone vote between 2010 and 2014 that helped the Liberals get elected but increased the inefficiency of their vote. Provincewide, there was a 22.4-point swing in support between the PCs and the Liberals between 2010 and 2014. In francophone ridings, the swing was 31.4 points — twice what it was in English-speaking ridings.
Could Liberal fortunes get worse in 2018?
Two polls published last week suggest the vote could be getting even more inefficient for the Liberals. Forum Research found the Liberals ahead of the PCs among francophones by a margin of 60 to 23 per cent, while a Léger/Acadie-Nouvelle poll put the gap at 64 to 14 per cent. It suggests the Liberals are on track to win predominantly francophone ridings by enormous margins.
But among anglophones, Forum and Léger put the PCs ahead of the Liberals by seven and six points, respectively. They found competitive races or splits that favoured the PCs in Fredericton and Saint John.
New Brunswick Progressive Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs has struggled to make inroads among francophones. (James West/Canadian Press)
If those kinds of numbers are replicated in the Sept. 24 election, the Liberals could win New Brunswick's francophone ridings by an even wider margin than they did in 2014 — giving them few, if any, extra seats in the Legislative Assembly — while losing ridings with higher anglophone populations by narrow margins. This is the recipe for a Liberal popular vote victory that still results in a PC majority government.
The surging popularity of the People's Alliance and Greens further complicates the electoral arithmetic, with the potential to distort the relationship between the popular vote and legislative seats even further.
About the Author
Éric Grenier
Politics and polls
Éric Grenier is a senior writer and the CBC's polls analyst. He was the founder of ThreeHundredEight.com and has written for The Globe and Mail, Huffington Post Canada, The Hill Times, Le Devoir, and L’actualité.
NB Power rate freeze could cost utility $135M in stranded carbon costs
Federal carbon taxes are scheduled to take effect on major greenhouse gas emitters like NB Power on Jan. 1
Robert Jones· CBC News·
Brian Gallant has said a re-elected Liberal government would introduce legislation to freeze power rates over the next four years for residential customers and small businesses. (Shane Magee/CBC)
The potential cost of a four-year power rate freeze to NB Power keeps climbing.
On Tuesday, the Liberals said they will not allow NB Power to pass along the cost of any carbon taxes imposed by the federal government to customers covered by a freeze, on top of not allowing the utility to apply for its normal two per cent rate hikes.
That could leave the utility stuck with $135 million in stranded carbon costs over four years and raise the total revenue shortfall to NB Power because of the promised freeze to as high as $300 million.
That is well-beyond the "$13 million per year" the Liberals suggested when the policy was unveiled three weeks ago.
Still, the party is adamant it weighed all the potential financial consequences to the utility before the freeze was proposed.
"We have considered all of the cost pressures and believe that this can be achieved," said Jonathan Tower, a Liberal party spokesperson, in an email to CBC News about whether the rate freeze will hold in the face of federal carbon taxes.
"The rate freeze will apply to all residential and small business customers for four years."
Federal carbon tax to take effect
Federal carbon taxes are scheduled to take effect on major greenhouse gas emitters, such as NB Power, on Jan. 1.
Although the final amounts are not set, the utility has a large carbon footprint and it is generally known what kind of bill it is facing.
According to rules put forward by the federal government so far, NB Power's coal-fired generating station in Belledune will have to start paying a $10 per tonne tax on about 60 per cent of its total emissions in January after credits are applied — an amount that will cost the utility close to $18 million for 2019.
That will double in 2020, triple in 2021 and quadruple in 2022 until the tax reaches $50 per tonne in 2023.
Liberals promise to freeze power rates
Gallant promised to freeze NB Power rates if re-elected. He said "enough is enough." 0:56
Additional emission taxes will have to be paid by NB Power on output at four other oil- and diesel-fired generating stations. While carbon costs will also raise prices on power, NB Power is obliged to buy from two privately-owned natural gas generators.
Earlier this year the utility indicated that if carbon taxes were imposed at those levels it would require significantly more money from customers to remain profitable.
Darren Murphy, NB Power's chief financial officer, explained to the Energy and Utilities Board in March that the utility was committed to limiting its rate increases to two per cent, unless a carbon tax was imposed.
"The one single exception to that I would suggest is the uncertainty associated with carbon cost," said Murphy.
Special annual rate increases
According to the utility's 10-year financial plan the federal carbon tax — if imposed — could require a series of special annual rate increases of 1.7 per cent to customers to pay for the extra costs, on top of the standard two per cent increase the utility normally applies for.
That's a combined 3.7 per cent increase beginning on April 1, 2019 and continuing for several years to follow.
Carbon tax scenarios
The CBC's provincial affairs reporter, Jacques Poitras, breaks down the carbon tax scenarios for you. And whether you will pay more. 1:54
But potential carbon costs were not mentioned as being covered by the freeze when Liberal Leader Brian Gallant announced the promise on Aug. 29 — only the regular two per cent hike
"The planned two per cent increase that NB Power has mused about for the last little while for the next four years would cost the NB Power customers about $13 million per year," said Gallant.
"Consumers will no longer have to pay the cost of NB Power's planned rate increases which could have cost them more than $13 million extra each year over the four years."
New Brunswick Leaders' Debate: Environment
New Brunswick’s party leaders discuss environmental issues at the leaders’ debate on Wednesday night. 8:31
The actual amount of money involved — including the rate freeze's effect on carbon costs — is more than double that.
The freeze is set to apply to $784 million of NB Power's current electricity sales, preventing the utility from charging both a two per cent regular rate increase and a special 1.7 carbon cost increase would save affected consumers — and cause a revenue shortfall to NB Power of $29 million in the first year — not $13 million.
Identical rate hikes planned for subsequent years means the revenue shortfall would then compound to $59 million in the second year of the freeze, $90 million in year three and $122 million in year four — for a total combined cost to NB Power over the four years of $300 million.
Liberals say cost cutting at the the utility and other measures can make up for lost revenue caused by the rate freeze and leave NB Power profitable.
Green Party hopes to cultivate Kent North, stronghold for the Liberals in last 2 elections
Richibucto area riding needs to keep farms strong, candidate says
CBC News·
Green Party candidate Kevin Arseneau says his party could take Kent North this election after a second-place finish in 2014. (Tori Weldon/CBC)
The Green Party is hoping to take the riding of Kent North surrounding Richibucto, a reliable Liberal riding during recent elections.
The Liberals won by a landslide in 2014, when Bertrand LeBlanc earned more than 4,000 votes and secured the riding for the Liberals for a second term. But Green candidate Rebeka Frazer-Chiasson took second place with more than 1,700 votes.
Now Green party candidate Kevin Arseneau wants to take first place.
Green party versus Liberal
Arseneau said he's been knocking on doors and is consistently hearing that people are fed up with the two parties that usually control the province and are looking for another option.
The organic farmer from Rogersville said he believes the riding needs a strong voice for rural economic development and he also wants to revitalize family farms in the area.
"We have to stop seeing rural development as one-size-fits-all," he said. "Kent North will thrive when we start looking at economic development in a different way for every community that's part of the riding.
"I think we have to trust the people on the ground," said Arseneau.
The Liberal candidate won Kent North by a large margin in 2014.
"I feel confident, but obviously the real test will be Sept. 24," he said. "We've never been this close to winning."
But Liberal candidate Emery Comeau said he is confident he'll be able to secure the riding much like past Liberal candidates. Comeau was the assistant to former MLA Bertrand LeBlanc and stepped forward when LeBlanc decided not to seek re-election.
Comeau agrees that rural economic development is a key concern for voters, along with the condition of local roads.
"They're concerned about the finances of province, health care and education," he said. "We have an aging population and we're losing our youth."
"Road were the most common thing talked about," said Comeau.
The government under Brian Gallant has made progress keeping young people in the region, he added. "The platform that Brian has, I find it's all there," he said.
"We're very confident, but we don't take anything for granted," he said. "I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing, meeting people, but I feel good where I am."
NDP candidate says he won't win
New Democratic Party candidate Neil Gardner, a professor with St. Thomas University, also says that bringing back youth is a big issue for Kent North and can be done through economic development.
He said while it's not likely the NDP will win the riding he noted that the party's 2014 candidate, Allan Marsh, secured 13 per cent of the vote.
Gardner believes transparency about government subsidies to corporations is also an important issue. "It's time New Brunswickers took the province back from the corporation," he said. "We shouldn't be a company province anymore."
Roger Richard said he's hoping to get a few votes as the independent candidate, but isn't doing any campaigning to get them.
He decided to run as an independent after the Green Party decided to support smart meters. "Either you are for the environment or you are not and that's why."
Richard said he doesn't think any of the parties have a strong enough voice when it comes to protecting the environment.
Katie Robertson is running in Kent North for the Progressive Conservative Party and Roger Richard is running as an Independent.
Sussex-Fundy-St. Martins is a rural riding that extends along the Trans-Canada Highway from Burton in the west to Steeves Mountain in the east. The riding includes Sussex, Sussex Corner and St. Martins.
Since 2006, the riding has steadfastly elected a PC candidate, but had flipped between Liberal and PC from 1987 to 2006.
The 2013 redistricting saw Kings East incorporate parts of the Hampton-Kings and Saint John-Fundy ridings. Kings East was also renamed Sussex-Fundy-St. Martins.
Candidates
Liberal: Ian Smyth
Progressive Conservative: Bruce Northrup (incumbent)
Served as the Minister of Natural Resources and the minister of public safety in previous Tory governments
NDP: Dawna Robertson
Green: Fred Harrison
People’s Alliance: Jim Bedford
Independent: David Raymond Amos
History
2014 PC incumbent Bruce Northrup re-offered in the 2014 election. Northrup retained his seat, earning 49.9 per cent of the vote compared to Liberal candidate Heike MacGreor, who earned 23.2 per cent of the vote.
2010 Tory incumbent Bruce Northrup retained his seat with 66.7 per cent of the vote, defeating Liberal challenger George Horton who earned 21.1 per cent of the vote.
Ontario's highest court paves way for major cuts to size of Toronto city council
Court of Appeal for Ontario ruling means a 25-ward election in Toronto on Oct. 22 more likely
CBC News· Posted: Sep 19, 2018 4:00 AM ET
3562 Comments
"POOF" jim mika
BRAVO !!!
Common sense and democracy prevails yet again!
David Amos
@Bob Palmateer "Clayton Ruby, Justice Hackland, come to mind with respect to activist judges and leftist pals. "
YUP
David Amos
@Paul Doe "Very interesting interview."
YUP
David Amos
@Xavier Galan Welcome to the Circus
David Amos
@jim mika Trust that I called interim Liberal leader John Fraser and city council candidate Chris Moise after reading their words.
jim mika
So, the left demanded that this remain with the courts.
Fine. It did.
Now, they're furious.
Amazing.
John Werry
@jim mika I am not furious. I support the Courts even if I did not get my way...
David Amos
@John Werry "I support the Courts even if I did not get my way..."
Not I
Richard Dekkar
Looks like the legal opinions on last week's ruling all correct: the government is on solid footing. The notwithstanding clause won't be used and the City of Toronto can now look forward to a streamlined government where things actually get done. Kudos to Ford for taking a stand and seeing it through!
William Whittingham (The Phantom)
@Richard Dekkar
Shows what all the high school dropouts know around here today. It's a stay - the original court decision still stands, and has to be enacted. A stay is just a delay to give time to respond to it.
The fact the election will be now forced to be disrupted by it, the stay, only adds even MORE denial of rights that the original decision found.
I mean really. Not a lawyer, but I did get a high school diploma...
The staying court will be up for extreme criticism on this later on, as their decision to allow the stay does not in any way protect the rights of the original rights holders, but DOES rather directly protect those who were found to have been the deniers of the original rights...
???
(Just a hunch but based on the above, I speculate the professional careers of those stay granters, and, the reputation of their court - just went up in smoke...)
David Amos
@William Whittingham (The Phantom) (Just a hunch but based on the above, I speculate the professional careers of those stay granters, and, the reputation of their court - just went up in smoke...)
Methinks they just became heroes to many other Canadians who obviously do not think like you N'esy Pas?
Dave MacDonald
Vindication that Ford was right all along . Waiting for all the progressives to apologize now . Yes,I know they won't because they can't admit when they are wrong .
Michael Murphy
@Dave MacDonald I'm neither right nor wrong
I support the courts, even when i disagree
You see, I'm not a Conservative
if the Supreme Court were to overrule this court, I support that too
Dave MacDonald
@Michael Murphy More like you can't admit you were wrong and don't understand our constitution .
Michael Murphy
@Dave MacDonald I don't even live in Toronto, I never took a stand at all
My issue is why do I have to pay taxes to fight court battles to save someone else money?
Isn't that "redistribution of wealth"?
David Amos
@Dave MacDonald I concur
David Amos
@Michael Murphy Isn't that "redistribution of wealth"?
Nope
Bill Davis
Like this guy more everyday. Don't know much about him or his politics but he looks polar opposite to a run-of-mill politician and that alone is enough for me. Go Dougie. The left is going to go crazier than they already are.
Charlie Groh
@Bill Davis You don't know anything about him but you like him more everyday because he doesn't come across as the usual "run-of-mill politician"?
So, it doesn't matter to you if he is actually capable of governing, of managing finances, of following the law in the administration of justice, of maintaining and improving our education system, as well as our health and social services, and of maintaining our highways?
Thank you for confirming what I have come to believe - Far too many people vote without educating themselves on the issues and without thinking about the possible outcomes. In other words, without having a clue.
David Amos
@Charlie Groh If you are oh so clued in then you must know why I am laughing at you Correct?
Peter Neziol
Thank goodness they over turned the decision! Cant have one judge hold up democracy. Great job Dougie!!
David Amos
@Peter Neziol Methinks many a true word is said in jest N'esy Pas?
Jacques Untel
Common sense prevails over judicial activism. Keep going Doug!
Cindy Louis
@Jacques Untel
Don't you think there's other, more pressing stuff to concentrate on? The Ford Government is looking like a bunch of clowns worrying about sex ed and civic government sizes.
David Amos
@Cindy Louis Cry me a river
Zao Medong
Go Doug go
Less Toronto politicians = less taxes, nannying, bans.
Bye bye
Rayman Bacchus
@Zao Medong are you really under the impression that less politicians will lower taxes? Knowing our governments, it will raise taxes. This changes and lowers nothing and was a complete waste of time for ONTARIO. The size of council in Toronto means nothing for the rest of the province. It was a waste of tax payer money simply so that the Ford family so they can bully Toronto. That was all this was. At the end of the day....no tax payer money will be saved and nothing will change.
David Amos
@Rayman Bacchus "At the end of the day....no tax payer money will be saved and nothing will change."
The Fat Lady ain't sung yet
Milloy Johnson
Who would actually want more city councilors? 25 even seems high
This should be good news for everyone but the fact its Doug doing it will create automatic backlash
David Amos
@Milloy Johnson "Who would actually want more city councilors? 25 even seems high "
I agree
Rod Begin
Great news go Premier Ford judges do not rule this country!
William Whittingham (The Phantom)
@Rod Begin
Then any of the laws or procedures that Ford passes while he is Premier, then following governments will be able to undo at will for the same reason.
(Glad you like that idea...)
David Amos
@William Whittingham (The Phantom) I do too
Ontario's highest court paves way for major cuts to size of Toronto city council
Court of Appeal for Ontario ruling means a 25-ward election in Toronto on Oct. 22 more likely
CBC News·
An Ontario Superior Court deemed Premier Doug Ford's council-cutting Bill 5 'unconstitutional' last week. But on Wednesday, the PCs won their attempt to gain a stay of last week's decision, moving closer to slashing the size of Toronto council for next month's election. (Cole Burston/Canadian Press)
Ontario's highest court has paved the way for a considerable cut to the size of Toronto's city council just weeks from a municipal election.
This morning, a panel of three Court of Appeal justices stayed a lower court's Sept. 10 ruling that struck down a provincial bill that would cut the council from 47 to 25 members.
The decision — which basically freezes the lower court's decision — means city staff will immediately begin preparing for a 25-ward election Oct. 22.
In its arguments earlier this week, the province's legal team said the stay was necessary to provide certainty to the city clerk, who is responsible for upholding a fair election.
The timing and circumstances of the election were thrown into chaos when the Progressive Conservatives unexpectedly introduced the council-cutting legislation, Bill 5, after the campaign period had already begun. The city challenged it in Ontario Superior Court, and Judge Edward Belobaba ruled against the province, saying the legislation was unconstitutional because it violated freedom of expression rights for candidates and voters.
The Court of Appeal, however, disagreed with his assessment of the legislation, calling it a "dubious ruling that invalidates legislation duly passed by the legislature.
Unfairness alone does not establish a charter breach.- Court of Appeal for Ontario decision
"Unquestionably, Ontario's announcement of its intention to introduce Bill 5 disrupted the campaigns that were already underway. However, Bill 5 does not limit or restrict any message the candidates wish to convey to voters," the ruling said.
"While the change brought about by Bill 5 is undoubtedly frustrating for candidates who started campaigning in May 2018, we are not persuaded that their frustration amounts to a substantial interference with their freedom of expression," it continued.
"Candidates had a reasonable expectation that they would be operating under a 47-ward platform …. However, neither that platform nor that expectation was constitutionally guaranteed. Unfairness alone does not establish a charter breach."
PC MPP Stephen Lecce said the government is pleased with the ruling and Torontonians should be, too.
Lecce said it amounts to "removing waste from government" and blasted city council for being "ineffective."
Lecce reiterated the government's argument that a smaller council will lead to the city building key infrastructure, like transit and housing, faster, adding it will "unleash the economic potential" of Toronto.
Appeal likely to succeed, judges say
In addition to its successful request for a stay, the province responded to Belobaba's ruling by filing an appeal and introducing a second, nearly identical bill to circumvent his decision. Bill 31 includes a rarely used and controversial constitutional provision known as the notwithstanding clause.
The province's legal team said in court this week that if a stay were granted, the government would not move to pass Bill 31.
The decision released Wednesday means Premier Doug Ford is one step closer to slashing the size of Toronto council, while his government will avoid using the notwithstanding clause —a move that has drawn ire from legal scholars and activists.
The outcome of the province's appeal remains uncertain, and is unlikely to be heard by a court before the first week of November. However, in their decision, the appeals court justices said it too will likely succeed.
"The question for the courts is not whether Bill 5 is unfair but whether it is unconstitutional," they wrote.
"On that crucial question, we have concluded that there is a strong likelihood that application judge erred in law and that the Attorney General's appeal to this court will succeed."
The news drew immediate outrage from both Ford's rivals at Queen's Park and his critics on Toronto city council.
MPP John Fraser, interim Liberal leader, said the ruling is "not good for democracy.
"I think most reasonable people would say, 'There's an election on, why are you changing the rules in the middle of the game?'"
He added that he is concerned that Ford may threaten to use the notwithstanding clause in future legislative battles.
Meanwhile, city council candidate Chris Moise, who was planning to run in the city's downtown core, said he feels like the province has trampled on his rights.
"I feel pretty disappointed," he told reporters at city hall, pointing out that he's poured months of effort into his council run.
"My life has now changed completely."
CBC News Toronto
Chris Moise: "I just feel really disappointed by the decision
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Chris Moise, who was planning a run for a seat in Toronto's new ward 25, reacts to the Bill 5 decision. 0:44
With files from Lucas Powers, John Rieti, Lauren Pelley and The Canadian Press
Content disabled "One former bureaucrat recalled rejecting a candidate on suspicions their assets were corruptly obtained His boss instructed him to be more lenient because corruption existed in Quebec too"
Rich investors granted Canadian residency despite fake documents and dubious assets, ex-officials say
Special immigration track meant to lure wealthy to Quebec sees most end up in B.C., Ontario
Frédéric Zalac, Francis Plourde· Radio-Canada· Posted: Sep 20, 2018 5:00 AM ET
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David Amos
"One former bureaucrat recalled rejecting a candidate on suspicions their assets were corruptly obtained. His boss instructed him to be more lenient next time because corruption existed in Quebec too.'
Methinks therein lies the rub N'esy Pas?
Content disabled. David Amos I wonder if this liberal lawyer expects to be reelected again.
"Quebec Immigration Minister David Heurtel told reporters in March that he wasn't fazed by this tendency. "Even if an immigrant investor goes elsewhere in Canada, their money stays here," he said
mo bennett
only in quebec, you say? pity! and, go figure!!
David Amos
@mo bennett Naw Methinks if you had bothered to read the article you would have noticed that the questionable people moved to BC etc N'esy Pas?
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David Amos
@mo bennett YO MO How many of our comments do ya think CBC will block today?
mo bennett
@David Amos u tryin' out for Sid's job?
Jean-Richard Pelland
Our citizenship should not be for sale and we should not overlook dishonesty in applications for citizenship or residency. Integrity ought to count for something.
David Amos
@Jean-Richard Pelland "Integrity ought to count for something."
If it doesn't then nothing counts
David Amos
@Jean-Richard Pelland "Integrity ought to count for something"
Apparently not
Joseph Mediano
Oh the irony. Quebec, which wanted to ditch Canada, is now getting rich selling Canadian citizenship and watching the applicants immediately leave Quebec for other provinces to deal with. But let's not rock that boat.
David Amos
@Joseph Mediano "Oh the irony"
Methinks its far worse than merely ironic N'esy Pas?
Ken MacDonald
Money talks, ethics walk.
David Amos
@Ken MacDonald Oh So True
James Carpenter
@Ken MacDonald
I mentioned in a post a week ago about people in their 40's who don't speak English driving HumVees and CBC banned it...
David Amos
@James Carpenter You should the ones of mine that they blocked
David Amos
@David Amos Methinks therein lies the rub N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Ken MacDonald "One former bureaucrat recalled rejecting a candidate on suspicions their assets were corruptly obtained. His boss instructed him to be more lenient next time because corruption existed in Quebec too.'
Do ya think the RCMP read that yet?
Glen Acanthus
But of course..."a special Quebec program". Are you surprised? Why not? Considering the liberals are letting in vast numbers of undocumented people anyway this comes as no shock at all.
The only difference between these people and the ones crossing the boarder in up-state New York is these ones flew here in first class.
David Amos
@Mark Oliver I agree
Chris MacKenzie
Somebody's back is being scratched. All levels government in Canada as well as Quebec have questionable ethics.
David Amos
@Chris MacKenzie YUP
Andrew Szollos
This is only a surprise to the uninformed and blissfully ignorant. Sadly, Canada is not open for business, it is up for sale.
David Amos
@Andrew Szollos YUP
Andrew Hebda (NS)
Citizenship should not be for sale IMHO
David Amos
@Andrew Hebda (NS) True
Abe Buckingham
@David Amos It really is though. Unless you're coming in for marriage or as a refugee the point system is strongly weighted in favor of the highly educated and wealthy. We don't let people who are poor or middle class in even from our closest allies.
David Amos
@Abe Buckingham Tell that nonsense to the 30 thousand or so who illegally walked across our border with the USA last year
Chris Johnson
Liberals fail again.
Bruce Chatwin
@Chris Johnson
The program existed under the Conservatives too.
David Amos
@Bruce Chatwin YUP
bill barber
The program needs to be stopped immediately.
David Amos
@bill barber I agree
Joseph Cluster
Go into partnership with a resident to buy a company in Canada - one gets an address-an open door to immigrate for education/purchasing real estate. More sponsorship with simple signatures of an hired employee. Just examples of what happens all the timed perfectly acceptable.
David Amos
@Joseph Cluster Perfectly acceptable to whom?
Mike Mayers
Find out who these people are and revoke their residency
David Amos
@Mike Mayers Methinks many are already Canadians N'esy Pas?
Joseph Cluster
Forged documents, look the other way, wink, wink, Quebec, "be more lenient next time because corruption existed- investigating corruption and collusion in Quebec's construction industry."
Seriously they have to stop this train of thought in Quebec.
David Amos
@Joseph Cluster Methinks its the Feds who make them Canadian citizens N'esy Pas?
David Barry Cooper
The word corruption is synonymous with Quebec and has been since the Duplessis era of the '30's.
David Amos
@David Barry Cooper Methinks its the Feds who make the questionable people Canadian citizens N'esy Pas?
Richard Hirschfield
Right out of the Mulroney playbook as when he sold citizenship to wealthy residents of Hong Kong for $250,000 before the China regained control.
David Amos
@Richard Hirschfield Methinks the liberals did it too N'esy Pas?
Robert Brannen
@David Amos
A co-operative effort of a Conservative federal government and a Liberal government in 1986.
Rich investors granted Canadian residency despite fake documents and dubious assets, ex-officials say
Special immigration track meant to lure wealthy to Quebec sees most end up in B.C., Ontario
Frédéric Zalac, Francis Plourde· Radio-Canada·
Quebec Immigration Minister David Heurtel says he's not fazed that most wealthy investors accepted under the province's special visa program don't actually end up living in Quebec. 'Even if an immigrant investor goes elsewhere in Canada, their money stays here,' he said. (Jacques Boissinot/Canadian Press)
Some rich foreigners seeking Canadian residency under a special Quebec program for wealthy investors couldn't point to the province on a map, while others submitted fake documents or disguised their assets — yet many of them were still accepted for immigration, former civil servants say.
The officials, charged with administering the Quebec Immigrant Investor Program (QIIP), say they were sometimes pressured into ignoring signs that applicants' fortunes were founded on corruption or other ill-gotten gains.
"It's a program that has lots of gaps, that permits people with dubious or even illicit business to launder money through the program and to buy themselves citizenship inexpensively," said one former immigration officer.
Numerous current and former civil servants in Quebec spoke to Radio-Canada's investigative program Enquête on condition of anonymity, revealing what they see as major flaws in an immigration program that has granted permanent residency to tens of thousands of people since it began in 1986.
QIIP applicants must have at least $2 million in assets and agree to loan $1.2 million of that to the Quebec government interest-free for five years. The government invests the money and uses the interest to provide grants to small- and medium-sized businesses.
"We were under a lot of pressure to approve applicants in order to meet annual financial targets," said one ex-bureaucrat.
Staff were overwhelmed
The federal government used to have a similar immigration track for rich investors seeking to settle in Canada, but shut it down in 2014 due to concerns about its effectiveness.
The Quebec version still accepts 1,900 people a year, plus their family members, with two-thirds coming from mainland China. Last year alone, more than 5,000 people obtained their permanent residency through the program.
All of the applications from China would've pass through Quebec's immigration office in Hong Kong, until it closed last year. The office was overwhelmed by the workload, with staff working 60 to 70 hours a week to keep up, according to the former officials who spoke to Enquête.
Two-thirds of those accepted to Quebec's Immigrant Investor Program every year are from mainland China. Until it closed last year, all of their applications were assessed at a provincial government office in Hong Kong. (Anthony Wallace/AFP/Getty)
The provincial government allotted seven hours to screen each application — including verifying that applicants had come by their fortunes honestly. But as one former immigration officer said: "It takes time to do proper due diligence, and we didn't have it."
Officials' suspicions could be raised by any number of things, including copycat submissions.
"The applicants were all heads of sales, then became assistant managers," the ex-bureaucrat said. "The first time you have an applicant like that, you tell yourself, 'Why not.' Then you get 10, 20, 30 more from the same immigration consultant. It raises serious doubts about their back story."
In the early 2000s, the Quebec government hired an outside firm to help vet applications. It was found that more than 65 per cent of them contained forged documentation.
And according to data obtained under Quebec's access-to-information law, from 2013 to 2017, a total of 1,783 immigrant investor applications were rejected by the province's officers in Hong Kong due to faked documents.
'Really shocked me'
But even as dodgy candidates were flagged, immigration officers say they felt pressure to overlook many applications with apparent shortcomings.
One former bureaucrat recalled rejecting a candidate on suspicions their assets were corruptly obtained. His boss instructed him to be more lenient next time because corruption existed in Quebec too.
We knew they weren't coming to Quebec and we also knew they weren't going to learn French.- Former immigration official
Around the same time, the Charbonneau Commission was investigating corruption and collusion in Quebec's construction industry. "It really shocked me to hear that," he said.
Another civil servant said they were told by a senior official at Quebec's Immigration Ministry not to dig too deep into each applicant's background. Some immigration staff bowed to those pressures and accepted more applicants, the people interviewed by Enquête said, while others refused.
Government claims credit for job creation
In a statement, Quebec's Immigration Ministry said its vetting process is effective at maintaining the integrity of the immigrant-investor program. It said applicants and their assets are examined multiple times: by financial institutions that help recruit them, by governmental financial analysts, and by immigration personnel. Finally, FINTRAC, the federal financial intelligence agency, verifies the funds that successful applicants lend to the Quebec government.
The province also says the program has had important economic benefits, allowing for $695 million in grants to small- and medium-sized businesses since 2000 — which it says has translated into tens of thousands of jobs.
'We're way off our immigration targets under this program,' said Suzanne Ethier, a former Quebec associate deputy minister of immigration. (Radio-Canada)
But those numbers may be overly rosy.
Grants from the Quebec Immigrant Investor Program are limited to a maximum of 10 per cent of a business's expansion or modernization project. Nevertheless, Investment Quebec, the provincial agency that administers the grants, counts all the jobs created or saved by the expansion projects it supports — meaning the employment gains seem to be inflated by a factor of 10.
Investment Quebec maintains it's a standard method of calculating and it doesn't deem every one of those jobs to stem from its grants.
Westward bound
Perhaps the most controversial aspect of QIIP is that while it's meant to draw wealthy investors to la belle province, the vast majority who have taken up residency in Canada under the program settle in other provinces.
As part of the process, applicants have to sign two forms declaring their intention to reside in Quebec. But once in Canada, the law allows anyone to move freely. Data reported earlier this year by Global News shows that 85 per cent of Quebec's immigrant investors — since the program began in 1986 — have ended up in British Columbia and Ontario. Only 10 per cent remained in Quebec.
The Quebec Immigrant Investor Program is a scam from start to finish. I think that everyone who's involved in the program knows that.- Ian Young, newspaper columnist
"We're way off our immigration targets under this program," said Suzanne Ethier, who served as Quebec's associate deputy minister of immigration from 2005 to 2006.
"We knew they weren't coming to Quebec and we also knew they weren't going to learn French," said one of the former bureaucrats who helped run the program.
Quebec Immigration Minister David Heurtel told reporters in March that he wasn't fazed by this tendency. "Even if an immigrant investor goes elsewhere in Canada, their money stays here," he said.
Other provinces aren't so keen to welcome Quebec's immigrants, though, and to bear the costs of providing health care and education. Freedom-of-information records obtained by Enquête show the B.C. government complained to Quebec several times in 2015 and 2016
Former federal immigration minister Chris Alexander, who served in Stephen Harper's last government, said he brought up the issue with his Quebec counterparts, and while they "recognized there were problems, they weren't ready to move forward with any changes."
Quebec has since taken steps to retain more of its immigrant investors, Heurtel said, including prioritizing applicants from francophone countries and sending out videos and brochures promoting living in Quebec.
But that hasn't been enough to alter how the program's critics see things.
"The Quebec Immigrant Investor Program is a scam from start to finish. I think that everyone who's involved in the program knows that," said Ian Young, the Vancouver correspondent for Hong Kong's South China Morning Post newspaper and a seasoned observer of immigration patterns from China to Canada.
"I think that includes policy-makers, the people who facilitate it and the immigrants themselves."
What gun owners need to know about Ottawa's new firearms bill
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Albert Ford Upton
Illegal gun possession is the problem. Punks with the guns don't care about the laws and this tinkering achieves nothing but political optics. Get real.
David Amos
@Albert Ford Upton "Get real."
Methinks the old lawyer Goodale does not even know what your expression means N'esy Pas?
Norma Mathers
What illegal gun toting gang members need to know about Ottawa's new firearms bill...This won't affect you in any way
Kevin Delaney
@Norma Mathers Agree, Gun laws are for those who are law biding. Both odd & interesting that criminals do not abide by laws. One can make.. All The Laws In The World... and oddly, criminals will not... Abide By Them. Ever.
David Amos
@Kevin Delaney Methinks we also require ethical cops to uphold the law N'esy Pas?
Scott Stephens
What a clueless bunch. Even the police told then this won't work.
Robert Fry
@Scott Stephens
Didn't read the article?
David Amos
@Robert Fry Why bother? Its just liberal spin
George Suzu
Why dont the introduce strict laws for anyone who commits a crime with a gun? Or anyone who posesses or transports an illegal firearm?
John Gerrits
@George Suzu The question should be....why don't we "enforce" the laws that are already on the books
David Amos
@John Gerrits Methinks old Ralph and his boss would never consider the obvious N'esy Pas?
John Brown
Finally...an end to gang shoot-em-ups. Plus, police will know who to look for cause of all that paperwork those gang guys gotta fill out. Yes sir, it's bulletproof it is, absolutely bulletproof.
David Amos
@John Brown I doubt Ralph will get your joke
Mike Cardinal
The Liberals should have a gun registry just for them, they shoot themselves in the foot at least once a week.
Joseph SMITH
@Mike Cardinal Often seems to be a daily event
David Amos
@Joseph SMITH YUP
Maurice Vogel
These new proposed changes will do nothing for saving lives due to gun crime. The vast majority of the guns used for crime are illegally brought into the country and are unregistered. How about better funding for police to fight guns & gangs.
Joseph SMITH
@Maurice Vogel What a reasonable approach
Rob Carter
@Joseph SMITH ...we could start by giving the promised money to Police forces! Instead of bargaining away firearms charges in plea bargains, we could try keeping those charges in place, maybe even give a criminal the maximum penalty.
David Amos
@Rob Carter Crown prosecutors do not understand common sense
Manny Fredrick
I like the graph that the CBC provided, it would seem to show that under the previous government gun crime was going down and actually hit the lowest rate ever. Shot back up again as soon as the liberals were put in.
Alex Kreus
@Manny Fredrick Well said... "Data Shows Gun Violence surge NEVER HAPPENED" Search it in the news
Alex Kreus
@Doug McComber It def. is a Politically motivated piece SCAPEGOATING nothing more.... Like how the CBC is fixated with Trump issues while JT fumbles with Trade talks and practicing what he preaches in terms of tolerance ....
David Amos
@Alex Kreus YUP
John A Smith
RCMP shouldnt be the ones making LAWS, They perhaps should be involved but the actual SAY and final decision about what a firearm is classified should be left to stakeholders, govt. With this, RCMP are making laws, and it shouldnt be their business. They are there to ENFORCE laws not make them!
Lesley Durham-McPhee
@John A Smith The theory with this is that the RCMP is less political and less likely to be swayed by lobbyists or vociferous public opinion. Also, politicians don't know enough about the guns to make logical rules about their classification. That seems to make sense to me.
Victor Wisniak
@Lesley Durham-McPhee
Sorry, it's a little funny. Police commissioners are chosen by politicians and answer to them. They are political animals and have to manage their political bosses.
Rob Carter
@Lesley Durham-McPhee ...the RCMP is less political makes sense to you ?? Politicians don’t know enough? This type of thinking may be part of the problem?
John Sollows
@Victor Wisniak
I don't have a problem with that. We elect governments and elected governments set directions as a consequence. But knowledgeable unelected long-term employees provide necessary guidance. Hopefully, the tension between the two forces remains positive.
Although when I look south, I cringe...
John A Smith
@Lesley Durham-McPhee You could ask for their input, that does make sense but it should also include various stakeholders and yes that include hunters, shooting clubs governing bodies and such. It shouldnt be just up to the govt nor the RCMP.
Rob Carter
@John Sollows why would you look South?
David Amos
@John A Smith "RCMP are making laws, and it shouldnt be their business."
Methinks old Ralph and everybody else knows that the RCMP and I have been butting heads about their not upholding the law since 1982 N'esy Pas?
What gun owners need to know about Ottawa's new firearms bill
Liberal government vows 'modest' reforms - but gun owners fear they're being targeted
John Paul Tasker· CBC News·
Toronto Police display guns seized during a series of raids. The Liberal government has introduced changes to the nation's gun laws through Bill C-71. (Chris Young/Canadian Press)
The Liberal government is poised to pass new firearms legislation — changes to the country's firearms regime that Ottawa says are "modest" but necessary reforms to reduce the frequency of violent gun crime.
In the last election, the Liberal Party vowed to reverse a decade's worth of Conservative changes to gun rules they claim bolstered firearm-related crime. Bill C-71, introduced by Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale, fulfils that commitment through an overhaul of the background check system, new record-keeping requirements for retailers and further restrictions on transporting a firearm.
"The provisions in Bill C-71 are modest and reasonable, and they do not entail a significant new cost," Goodale said of the legislation, which is at third reading in the House of Commons.
"Bill C-71 [is] an important piece of legislation in support of public safety and the ability of law enforcement to investigate gun crimes, while at the same time being reasonable and respectful toward law-abiding firearms owners and businesses."
The Conservatives have railed against the bill, claiming it will impose onerous regulations on lawful gun owners while doing little to crack down on gang-related crime largely carried out with illegal firearms sourced from the U.S. And at least 86,000 Canadians agree the bill should be killed, having signed one of the largest e-petitions in Parliament's history.
The Liberal government, meanwhile, says a troubling spike in gun crime demands some sort of legislative response.
Here's a look at the changes C-71 would bring about:
Enhanced background checks
The chief firearms officer in each province conducts a background check on anyone applying for a Possession and Acquisition License (PAL) — something all firearms owners must have before they can legally purchase a firearm in this country.
Under the proposed legislation, police would examine a person's entire life history for potential red flags. Under the current standard, they only assess an applicant's previous five years.
This review is designed to weed out people who shouldn't have guns — those with a violent criminal past, for example, or a history of spousal abuse. Critics say the current five-year limitation is too arbitrary, allowing people who might be considered undesirable for a PAL to simply run out the clock.
Gun rights advocates, however, worry the background checks could become too invasive and extensive, resulting in many more prospective gun owners being disqualified.
"By making the required background check basically limitless, a new applicant with a 10-year old prescription to antidepressants may be put under additional scrutiny, or simply turned away," Calibre, a firearm magazine, recently lamented in an article titled, 'Bill C-71: A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing.'
Following an amendment at the public safety committee, the chief firearms officer also would be able under the new legislation to review a person's online history before granting a licence.
Mandatory record-keeping
While the opposition Conservatives have said they can accept some changes to the background check system, they are very much opposed to the Liberal government's plan to force retailers keep a record of all firearms sales and inventories.
Gun rights advocates maintain these log books — which retailers would have to maintain for 20 years — are akin to a revived long-gun registry, which the former Conservative government dismantled.
Gun owners complained about registering their non-restricted firearms, like shotguns, claiming the process was too onerous and the registry was ineffective in stopping gun crime. Many of the country's police services thought otherwise. (Restricted and prohibited firearms, like handguns, must be still be registered.)
Under Bill C-71, a business must record dates, references and licence numbers and the firearm's make, model, type and serial number — information Ottawa said it believes will help police trace guns used in crimes.
The Liberal government says it is disingenuous to call these new record-keeping practices a "back door gun registry" because they will be maintained by retailers — not government — and will only be available to police with a warrant.
Most major sports retailers, like Cabela's and Canadian Tire, already record all sales as a matter of good business practice.
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'It is simply not a federal long gun registry. Full stop. Period.'
Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale discusses the government's new gun control bill and the concerns that some provisions may amount to a 'backdoor gun registry.' 7:41
"It's simply not a federal long gun registry, full stop, period," Goodale said in a recent interview with CBC News. "The requirement for retailers to maintain their own private record is just that — they're private records of the retailers, and they will not be accessible to government.
"They would be accessible to police when they are investigating gun crimes, with the proper basis of reasonable cause and judicial authorization through a warrant."
Gun rights activists are skeptical and fearful those records, in the hands of the wrong people, could put lawful firearms owners at risk of being targeted for theft.
Many gun control advocates, meanwhile, say the Liberals haven't gone far enough and that they should have restored the so-called "1977 provisions."
That's a reference to a firearms law that once forced gun retailers to record all firearms sales and to make those records easily available to police looking to trace non-restricted firearms — without a warrant.
The Liberals say C-71 brings Canada in line with the U.S., where federal law requires that records be kept on every gun sale through federally licensed firearms dealers.
The legislation also makes it an offence to sell a firearm to a person without first checking their licence and verifying that it is still valid. Again, most reputable retailers already follow this practice.
It is already illegal to sell a firearm to anyone who doesn't possess the appropriate licence, but the Liberals say too many retailers are not actually checking the licence before completing a sale.
Authorization to transport
The Liberals are reversing another Harper-era change to the country's firearms laws by tightening the rules on carrying firearms away from home.
A licensed gun owner must possess an authorization to transport (ATT) document if they want to travel with a restricted firearm like a handgun.
The Harper government tweaked the regime so that the ATT was attached to a person's licence — some called it an "automatic ATT"— thus eliminating a layer of paperwork.
After the change, gun owners did not have to seek approvals from police each time they transported their firearm for certain routine activities, like target shooting, taking a firearm home after a transfer, or going to a gunsmith or a gun show.
While that change was praised by gun owners as a major time-saver that pared down some of the firearm bureaucracy, gun control advocates said it made the rules far too lax. The Canadian Association of Chiefs Police said the Harper ATT rules amounted to a licence to take a firearm anywhere.
Drugs and firearms are presented at a news conference at the RCMP headquarters in Surrey, B.C. Conservative critics say Bill C-71 targets lawful gun owners rather than cracking down on illegal firearms from the U.S. often used by gangs. (Jonathan Hayward/Canadian Press)
"Because the ATT was automatic and applied to numerous different destinations, it became virtually impossible for police to detect the transportation of restricted or prohibited weapons for illegal purposes," Goodale said in a recent speech in the Commons defending C-71.
"Bill C-71 seeks to narrow and clarify the scope of the ATT rules."
An automatic ATT would be extended to those taking a firearm to a certified shooting range; in other circumstances, a separate ATT would be required. The government maintains that 95 per cent of all gun transportation is to and from a gun range, so the impact on most owners would be minimal.
Gun rights advocates say this is strictly a political move designed to punish legal owners because no criminal has ever applied for an ATT to carry out a gun crime. Gun control advocates, on the other hand, argue that strong controls over legal guns reduce the chance that they'll fall into the wrong hands.
Classification of firearms
While definitions of the three classes of firearms — non-restricted, restricted and prohibited — will continue to be set by Parliament, the Liberal government is giving the RCMP the power to decide how individual firearms are classified.
"After the definitions have been set in law by Parliament, it should be firearms experts who make the technical determination as to which firearm fits into which category. That is a factual, technical function, and it should not be politicized. Bill C-71 makes that point very clear," Goodale said.
The Liberals say that, under Harper, cabinet was able to "contradict the experts" and assign a lower category to a particular firearm. Those opposed to C-71 say the government is abdicating its legislative responsibilities by allowing police to make these choices without political approval.
Content disabled. David Amos Trust that Trump's minions know why a lot of folks will be looking at my name the ballot again today in New Brunswick.
This is from a story that appeared in the Kings County Record June 22, 2004
The Unconventional Candidate By Gisele McKnight
"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."
Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos. The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from running for office in Canada."
"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."
"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.
"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window.
NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico."
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@Carson Brook "We are lucky we have Trudeau, Freeland, and that whole tremendous Canadian trade team"
WOW Talk of jerking an old dog's chain EH? Methinks folks should never mind Facebook nonsense and check out the real world in order to have some idea of who a man is before you opt to tease him N'esy Pas?
If they continually try to force deadlines, then they obviously do NOT want a "fair" NAFTA with Canada.
David Amos
@Jan Lenova Methinks Trump claimed NAFTA wasn't a fair deal long before he was ever elected N'esy Pas?
Rick Wier
@David Amos ignore this guy until he learns how to spell
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@Rick Wier Methinks you are way past too late to learn about ethical conduct N'esy Pas?
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@Rick Wier I get "Content disabled." notice after my reply to you had been published for hours?
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David Amos
@David Amos Now I get a "Content disabled." notice as soon as I click on reply?
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Content disabled. David Amos Trust that Trump's minions know why a lot of folks will be looking at my name the ballot again today in New Brunswick.
This is from a story that appeared in the Kings County Record June 22, 2004
The Unconventional Candidate By Gisele McKnight
"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."
Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos. The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from running for office in Canada."
"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."
"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.
"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window.
NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico."
David Amos "The Canadians may prefer not to make unpopular dairy market concessions this week, in the final days of Quebec's election campaign."
"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's decision to vote in the upcoming Ontario provincial election while representing a Quebec riding federally has offended at least one Conservative MP from Quebec."
I have no doubt Trudeau The Younger is very much in tune with his home province. Even though he voted in Ontario during the last provincial election he does not seem to care about New Brunswick's election at all.
greg howard
Thank goodness we have a government willing to stand up to trump, rather than the Dimple team that wants a deal no matter what! They would have done a deal for short term political gain, and long term economic pain. Stay the course JT!!
David Amos
@greg howard "the Dimple team" ???
Pray tell is that whom I refer to asl Harper 2.0 and the Boyz and Girlz in Blue?
Jim Donald
@greg howard In this instant I think every one should keep their bigotry (Liberal, Conservative and other) to them selves. Far to much at stake for the whole country for name calling and posturing.
David Amos
@Jim Donald Ladies used to claim that my dimples were attractive. So how is that an insult? Furtmore methinks Andy is honoured to be called Harper 2.0 N'esy Pas?
Dave Bear
@Milena Ville
The last time we had a CAD at that level was when Chretien and his Band of Bandits was running the show. Can Trudeau take us to a lower level?
David Amos
@Dave Bear 'Can Trudeau take us to a lower level?'
We are already there along with his peoplekind
Jan Lenova
If they continually try to force deadlines, then they obviously do NOT want a "fair" NAFTA with Canada.
David Amos
@Jan Lenova Methinks Trump claimed NAFTA wasn't a fair deal long before he was ever elected N'esy Pas?
Rick Wier
@David Amos ignore this guy until he learns how to spell
Content disabled. David Amos
@Rick Wier Methinks you are way past too late to learn about ethical conduct N'esy Pas?
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David Amos
@Rick Wier I get "Content disabled." notice after my reply to you had been published for hours?
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David Amos
@David Amos Now I get a "Content disabled." notice as soon as I click on reply?
David Amos
@Rick Wier "ignore this guy until he learns how to spell"
Who is "this guy" ???
Bryan Atkinson
Deadlines. Deadlines. Oh the deadlines. What is this? A newspaper or a trade deal?
The Trumps are getting desperate. They need a deal to con the base before the midterms.
Rob Scott
@Bryan Atkinson
Trump plans to ditch the deal with much fanfare to fulfill his campaign promise and rile up his base. He doesn't want a deal. I think the Canadian team knows this yet continue to bargain in good faith as a contrast to Team Trump who we all know aren't. Canada will appear rational to 70 % of Americans when Trump fails at negotiating and stomps off piously.
David Amos
@Rob Scott "Trump plans to ditch the deal with much fanfare to
fulfill his campaign promise"
Perhaps
However CBC tells us
The Canadians may prefer not to make unpopular dairy market concessions this week, in the final days of Quebec's election campaign.
And standing tough against Americans can be politically popular.
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland, who chooses her words carefully, revealed to reporters this week that supportive notes — even gifts of flowers and chocolate — are arriving at her office to thank Canada's team for hanging in against the perceived bullying of Trump's team.
"In the meantime, the three nations have a deal in effect that (apart from the steel and aluminum tariffs) keeps North America's trade tariff-free. That's the 'pro' of the status quo."
BTW I am on the ballot again in Fundy and Polling Day for me and all the other folks in New Brunswick is tomorrow, Methinks we had been hit hard by Trump tariffs as well N'esy Pas?
Stanley Baird
@Bryan Atkinson I don’t think much changes regardless of the midterms.
David Amos
@Stanley Baird I disagree
Don King
The US is not a reliable, honest, or ethical trading partner. They regard us with contempt and their leader is self-serving and fickle. What could possibly go wrong? Kudos to our negotiating team for not flinching in the face of constant threats, bluffing, and mean spiritedness. With that all said, we need them. Yeesh!!
David Amos
@Don King Welcome to the Circus
Stanley Baird
@Don King getting along with the US is not that hard but seemly difficult for Freeland and Trudeau. This is ultimately getting us a worse trade deal or no deal.
Rick Turpin
@Don King Quite frankly, the FTA of 1988 and NAFTA have been bad for Canadian workers, Canadian culture - where are the Canadian TV and movies we used to have - and also Canadian manufacturing. The US has broken every treaty it has ever signed from the Native treaties to the Paris Accord and International Criminal Court - their motto have always been " Never give a sucker an even break." We'd be far better off w/o any trade deals with them. As we were in 1987.
David Amos
@Stanley Baird "The Canadians may prefer not to make unpopular dairy market concessions this week, in the final days of Quebec's election campaign."
Seems they forgot the Dairy Farmers and the Woodsmen in New Brunswick yet Polling Day is tomorrow while I am on the ballot in Fundy again,
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@Rick Turpin It appears that we agree about a few things, Small wonder that a lot of folks will be looking at my name the ballot again tomorrow
This is from a story that appeared in the Kings County Record June 22, 2004
The Unconventional Candidate By Gisele McKnight
"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."
Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos. The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from running for office in Canada."
"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."
"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.
"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window.
NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico."
Carson Brook
@David Amos
The big Trump Lies about US and dairy Fact is that the USDA is setting milk prices on spontaneous and devastating rates which are destroying the dairy farmer of US. So Trump is running heavy with his 'hate Canada' and Canada is destroying the dairy farmers whom we love'. rants.... when in fact he is supporting the programs in the US which are destroying the whole industry and the small communities. And I'm sure that the Canadian trade negotiators already know this. Some of the reality 'aces' they still have u p their sleeves: factual information. We are lucky we have Trudeau, Freeland, and that whole tremendous Canadian trade team look at documentary film https://www.facebook.com/forgottenfarms/
@Carson Brook "We are lucky we have Trudeau, Freeland, and that whole tremendous Canadian trade team"
WOW Talk of jerking an old dog's chain EH? Methinks folks should never mind Facebook nonsense and check out the real world in order to have some idea of who a man is before you opt to tease him N'esy Pas?
""very good deal that was designed by Mexico and the U.S. to appeal to Canada.""
Translation... Not worth the paper(toilet) it was scribbled on
No Deal is better than a Trump deal
David Amos
@Jordan F. Dorino I concur
Nick Danger
@Jordan F. Dorino If the Trump deal with Mexico was so great then why isn't Mexico building his wall?
David Amos
@Nick Danger Exactly
Andrew McLaren
Why should Canadians be in any particular rush to submit to Donald Trump’s “heads I win tails you lose”, divide-and-conquer agenda, of slamming America First/Always all over the rest of the planet? Wait for the November attitude adjustor at least.
David Amos
@Andrew McLaren Why not wait to hear what Congress has to say about Trump's nonsense?
Stanley Baird
@Andrew McLaren you really think Congress is gonna stand up for Canada - seems like a risky strategy
Michele McLean
@Stanley Baird
They'd be standing up for the existing tri-lateral NAFTA, which they know favours them.
That IS in their interest.
You frame the issue dishonestly.
David Amos
@Michele McLean I agree
John Sollows
I keep looking at the ethics of the administration to our south and it scares the hell out of me.
We had better keep our distance. We are going to get hurt in any case. Let's think long-term and focus on doing the right thing.
Rolling over for this bunch will hurt us a lot more and a lot longer.
David Amos
@John Sollows Methinks to be fair you should check the ethics of our own government while you are at it N'esy Pas?
John Sollows
@David Amos
We should check the ethics of any government, but let's get real shall we?
David Amos
@John Sollows I am for real Google David Amos Federal Court
Kate Ferguson
Trump hasn't got the memo, and neither has FOX - Canada doesn't recognise their fabricated deadlines, because Canada is negotiating for Canada, and we aren't signing any deal anytime soon.
John Mestills
@Kate Ferguson
Fox is trying to help DT by laying his NAFTA failure at the feet of Canada.
Get ready for the narrative "Trump gave Canada a great deal but the Canadians wanted more .. they wanted to continue taking advantage of US while laughing at us.."
David Amos
@John Mestills Who is FOX to us?
Neil Gregory
Trump's team is NOT bargaining on good faith. - We have already had several fake deadlines, and now we have another one. - We have had punitive tariffs imposed on our steel and aluminum, and threats of more tariffs. - We have had too many unfair and unreasonable demands made on us, and likely more to come.
In Trump's world "Give and take" mean that the HE takes and EVERYBODY else gives.
David MacKinnon
@pat fisher every negoiation I have ever had with a US corporation or person went like this, it seems that they wish to win in baseball, football, hockey, business, science ect. we in Canada are much nicer, we are not sure why anybody would want to keep score and well it's just more polite to finish last.
David Amos
@David MacKinnon "we in Canada are much nicer, we are not sure why anybody would want to keep score and well it's just more polite to finish last."
Trust that many lawyers, cops and politicians camped on both sides of the 49th know that I am definitely not the type of Canadian you describe us to be. Methinks many folks in Fundy would think that you deny the nature of your obvious Scottish heritage far too easily. Trust that not all of us are defeatists as Harper described. His British song and dance ancestors came to Fundy Royal long ago and where they first located is still called Harper Settlement N'esy Pas?
Jordan F. Dorino
Je suis Canadien de l'Alberta, je soutiens les producteurs laitiers du Québec. Ils ne doivent pas être jetés sous le bus, juste parce qu'un Buffoon le veut.
I'm a Canadian from Alberta, I support Quebec Dairy Farmers. They are not to be thrown under the bus, just because a Buffoon wants it.
David Amos
@Jordan F. Dorino Good for you
Rick Wier
@Manny Fredrick most Canadian dairy farmers are not big corporate monopolies,they are mostly hard working family businesses providing quality milk products to Canadians and not flooding the market iike the heavily subsidized corporte milk produced south of the border
Jordan F. Dorino
@Charly Vaughan
The Unstable Clown Posse/Unhinged Crackpot Party(UCP). Led by a former Party Harper elitist. A man who makes noise about how unfair the Equalization Program is, hoping Albertans have very short memories. The current EQ program was passed by the Party Harper. The same man is the one who opened the floodgates with TFWs to suppress wages for working people. Yeah, they will really do wonders for Alberta
David Amos
@Rick Wier I would lay odds that many Dairy Farmers know exactly who I am while they have ever heard of you
David Amos
@Jordan F. Dorino Perhaps you may enjoy Googling the following
trump cohen david amos nafta fatca tpp
Jordan F. Dorino
@David Amos
Trumps fake news?
David Amos
@Jordan F. Dorino Should your insult of my work somehow impress me?
Jordan F. Dorino
@David Amos
I'm sure your over-inflated Ego impresses itself
David Amos
@Jordan F. Dorino Perhaps you should Google your own name
Missing another NAFTA deadline would be risky — but not fatal
'Whether Canada is in or out ... you can't get the text done by Sept. 30,' ex-U.S. negotiator says
Janyce McGregor· CBC News·
U.S. President Donald Trump imagined that negotiating a better NAFTA deal would be quick and easy. Turns out he was wrong. (Mike Segar/Reuters)
Washington's warning to Canada to not miss the next deadline in the renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement is starting to sound at this point like a boy crying wolf. Several deadlines have been blown already. The talks continue.
The latest warning came Friday from White House economic adviser Kevin Hassett, who told Fox News that President Donald Trump's administration was "a little puzzled" about why negotiators hadn't yet closed the "very good deal that was designed by Mexico and the U.S. to appeal to Canada."
"We're getting very, very close to the deadline where we're going to have to move ahead with Mexico all by themselves," he said.
That deadline — Oct. 1 — is next weekend. Last week's talks failed to make a breakthrough, and it's not clear when officials might meet again. Might another deadline come and go without a deal? Should Canadians be alarmed if it does?
It certainly wouldn't be the first time. In May, negotiators put on the steam to reach an agreement in time for the current U.S. Congress to vote on it.
It didn't work. The U.S. turned up the heat and stopped exempting Canada and Mexico from the global steel and aluminum tariffs it levied to protect the "national security" interests of its domestic industry.
Then came some secret summer brinksmanship: the U.S. and Mexico met alone for nearly the entire month of August, reached a preliminary agreement, and then expected Canada to sign on within a couple of days.
No dice. Congress was notified a deal had been reached that Canada could join as talks bled into September.
Already too late?
The U.S. Congress needs to see text 60 days before Trump would be authorized to sign anything with outgoing Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, who leaves office on Dec. 1.
People familiar with drafting trade agreements say they suspect that because nothing was decided this week, it's already too late — the key players just aren't admitting it publicly.
"Whether Canada is in or out, either way, you can't get the text done by Sept. 30," said Jennifer Hillman, a former U.S. trade official and adjudicator, now a professor at the Georgetown Law Center.
The August agreement was premised on Canada joining, and it would need a drastic overhaul before the United States and Mexico could proceed as a twosome. "I just don't see how that's realistic," she said.
Plus, Congress is expecting a renegotiated NAFTA, not a two-way deal, Hillman said.
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland told reporters this week that her office has received notes of encouragement and gifts of flowers and chocolate from Canadians grateful to negotiators for standing up for them at the NAFTA table. (Carolyn Kaster/Associated Press)
Yes, some Republicans loyal to Trump are warning Canada to get with the program, but "what you've mostly heard from the Congress is, 'Don't you dare do a deal without Canada,'" she said. At the same time, it's still all just talk.
"So far, this Congress has been completely spineless," said Hillman.
Couple that with an impatient, unpredictable president, and there's rough road ahead if a last-minute deal doesn't land soon.
Risky bet
Yes, Congress could intervene to stop the president from withdrawing from NAFTA. Others might go to court to hold him back as well.
And yes, the automotive industry's dire warnings about car tariffs could be taken seriously, to the point where the Commerce Department decides not to proceed with them (or to at least exempt Canada and Mexico).
But if you're in Justin Trudeau's government, you're thinking it's pretty stomach-churning to count on American politicians and business interests right now — with the fall midterms bearing down and with the urge to stage some attention-grabbing drama running high in American political circles.
"My assumption is that the negotiations can keep going," Hillman said. "To ask Canada to sign on in just three weeks strikes me as a little bit unfair."
The process that was started at the end of August has a 90-day minimum time frame, but "there is no maximum," she pointed out.
It helps Canada's case that it appears to be working hard toward a deal, she said.
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As for the outgoing Mexican president, there's nothing preventing him from signing an agreement early, if a bit more time is what it takes to land a deal.
"Lots and lots of treaties are not all signed in the same place at the same time," Hillman said.
In the meantime, the three nations have a deal in effect that (apart from the steel and aluminum tariffs) keeps North America's trade tariff-free. That's the 'pro' of the status quo.
The 'con' is that those damaging steel and aluminum tariffs, and the threatened car tariffs, could do serious economic damage if the current situation drags on.
Tariffs a 'loaded gun'
Mexico's desire to make its political calendar work — incoming president Andres Manuel López Obrador supports the deal, but doesn't want to wear it — led to Mexico's self-preserving move to sign a separate deal last month. It also put Canada in a tight spot.
This week, Peña Nieto's lead negotiator, Kenneth Smith Ramos, said that Mexico didn't insist on lifting the steel and aluminum tariffs because it's confident they're just temporary.
(U.S. allies are arguing they're illegal before the World Trade Organization — an adjudicator quickly becoming hobbled by a lack of American co-operation.)
Today @KenSmithramos explained why MX took gamble of agreeing to a 2.4 million auto export quota if Trump enacts 232 tariffs: •"We dont think (232 tariffs) would survive for long" •"No (US) Administration lasts forever" •”This (armor) covers (exports) for at least next 4 yrs"
From Mexico's perspective, the threatened car tariffs — for which it obtained "insurance" in a side letter — are far scarier.
From Canada's viewpoint, both the existing metals tariffs and the possible car tariffs are a nightmare.
"It's like leaving a loaded gun on the table," said John Manley, the former Liberal foreign affairs and finance minister who now heads the Business Council of Canada. "We've already seen that they'll pick it up and point it at our heads."
Trump's too unpredictable, Manley said. "I am cautiously pessimistic that there'll be anything that comes out of this that looks like a deal, or that's good for Canada."
Both Hillman and Manley agree a deal takes flexibility on both sides.
Americans accuse Canada's negotiators of "slow-walking" and dragging out the talks.
Meanwhile, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Wednesday that Canada needs to see movement from the U.S.
"I've seen more evidence that the U.S. negotiating team does not negotiate, but simply makes demands," said Manley, whose organization is closely monitoring the talks.
Only the fly on the wall knows for sure who's not budging, or whether both sides are being stubborn.
Flowers and chocolate for Freeland
The Canadians may prefer not to make unpopular dairy market concessions this week, in the final days of Quebec's election campaign.
And standing tough against Americans can be politically popular.
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland, who chooses her words carefully, revealed to reporters this week that supportive notes — even gifts of flowers and chocolate — are arriving at her office to thank Canada's team for hanging in against the perceived bullying of Trump's team.
"I used to say there were two rules in Canadian politics: don't get too close to the U.S. and don't get too far from the U.S.," said Manley, who guided Canada's relationship with Washington in the difficult days following the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
"No politician could look at that without thinking, 'I wonder if there's some way I can be running against Donald Trump in the next Canadian election?'
"It would be surprising to me if the prime minister and his team aren't thinking that already. But at the same time, we have vital national interests at stake."
after watching how justin has ran this country the past 3 yrs its amazing anyone would vote liberal. Yes forsure ied say we need more doctors asap
David Amos
@Chuck MacDonald This is an election in New Brunswick
Jordan Talbot
Another Liberal govt bites the dust. Nice to see Canada coming to it's senses. Next Quebec, then Ottawa.
David Amos
@Jordan Talbot Gallant has not admitted defeat and the Lt Governor must allow him to make a stab at overseeing us again. Trust that I will enjoy the Circus
Richard Dekkar
This bodes badly for Justin in 2019. He’ll need every scrap in Atlantic Canada to offset his party being wiped out from Ontario to the Pacific.
Norman Shankland
@Richard Dekkar He manged to do so 2015. Given that more people voted for the Liberals in NB indicates that they may do so again next fall.
David Amos
@Norman Shankland Dream on
David Amos
@Richard Dekkar YUP
Tony Trowel
Congratulations to the Conservative Party of New Brunswick!
Marc Martin
@Tony Trowel
22 isn't enough one of their member will need to be speaker so it still leaves them 21 lol...This is going to be interesting the Cons will needs vote from both Green and PANB...I predict another election in a year.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Wrong The Speaker does not have to be a Conservative
Mike Ferrely We were unfortunate enough to have been transferred to NB for 3 years by my employer, what a miserable 3 years. Despite my wife having an education and years of experience in her field she was unable to find a job in her profession because she doesn't speak French, government cash grabs and fees attached to literally everything, yearly vehicle inspection cash grabs, record out-migration, more deaths than births for the last several years in a row, no industry, no prospects, province teetering on bankruptcy, generational EI and welfare abuse etc etc. We were overjoyed when we got transferred back to Alberta. All that being said, I hope the Conservatives get in down there and sort things out. That province is in danger of becoming insolvent and despite being a disaster otherwise, it is a fairly scenic and quiet place to live.
Joseph Vacher
@Marguerite Deschamps note: french will never be good enough to meet requirements
David Amos
@Joseph Vacher Methinks the lady doth protest too much N'esy Pas?
Jason Lafitte
boy the liberals sure hate to lose, then don't even have the most seats and still think the deserve to be in power.
David Amos
@Jason Lafitte Welcome to the Circus
Matt Steele
Quite amusing . Brian Gallant has no way of forming a govt. as he already said that he would not work with the PCs or the Peoples Alliance ; yet he still thinks he won . Whats he going to do , hold his breath and jump up and down until someone tells him he won . Even with support from the Greens , he still cannot form govt . . Mr. Gallant needs to grow up , and take a look at the seat count .
David Amos
@Matt Steele What makes you think he knows how to count?
Mike Ferrely
Liberal arrogance just now on display in full force. Gallant just said on live TV that he is not conceding and is acting tomorrow as if he has won the election. The PC's have the most seats and the liberals think they're still in power.
David Amos
@Mike Ferrely "The PC's have the most seats and the liberals think they're still in power"
Thats because they are
Linda Taylor
People are starting to wake up and finally, wanting what is right for them and better gov't. Change is happening, like Ont and will be in 2019 when trudeau is out. It's time this country grew up and people quit being so obedient and like sheep.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Jim Mintz,fortunately, the ultra right is not smart enough to stick together and end up turning against each other.
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Cry me a river
Dawn Lee
Vote for the candidate, vote for the party, vote for the leader, just do make sure to vote. It is a small and meaningful act to participate in democracy, so don't take it for granted.
David Amos
@Dawn Lee YUP
Bob Lashram
That's quite a loss for the liberals...Congrats to the NB PCs
David Amos
@Bob Lashram What makes you think Higgs can form a government?
Mick Murcatto
A party that would cut the cost and burden of duality would work.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Natalie Pugh COR = PANB !
Marguerite Deschamps
COR = also a lot of CORservatives, including their leader!
David Amos
@Mick Murcatto YUP
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks you appear to be quite upset ce soir N'esy Pas?
Colin Jackson
The Maritimes should all be under one single government.
David Amos
@Colin Jackson NOPE
Andy Davis
Stay smart New Brunswick Look at the good Ontario elected Don’t make the same mistake
David Kane
@Michael Murphy - funny you thought it was enough when your failed King achieved 39.5 % …...then realized under electoral reform he would be back to street performing
David Amos
@David Kane Methinks I know of a Mikey Murphy in Moncton who ain't a happy camper ce soir N'esy Pas?
Daniel McIntyre
And the liberal spin doctors in Ottawa are busy determining exactly how they can re-frame a resounding liberal defeat into a pile of lollipops.
David Amos
@Daniel McIntyre Methinks the Fat Lady ain't sung yet N'esy Pas?
Colin Seeley
It’s been a very unhappy and unprosperous past 4 years.
Unless you were in receipt of the Liberal freebies !
Matt Steele
@Colin Seeley ....Very true ; and there were lots of folks filling their pockets with govt. cash for the past four years .
David Amos
@Colin Seeley Cry me a river
Dale Verigan
Too much useless baggage called government in this nation.
David Amos
@Dale Verigan Bitter?
Liberals and Tories in dead heat, People's Alliance makes history
A 2nd Liberal majority in jeopardy, and smaller parties play major role on election night
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It's a dead heat.
The Progressive Conservatives and the Liberals are tied at 21 seats as the final votes are counted in the 39th provincial general election
But Monday will a night to remember for New Brunswick's smaller parties.
CBC News projects PCs to win 16 ridings and the party is leading in another five, while the Liberals are sitting at 17 elected and leading in four. The parties are tied despite the Liberals taking a larger piece of the vote.
With 88.3 per cent of polls reporting, the Liberals have received 37.8 per cent of the votes compared with the PC share of 32.3 per cent.
New Brunswick's party leaders, from left, NDP Leader Jennifer McKenzie, Green Party Leader David Coon, People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin, Liberal Leader Brian Gallant and PC Leader Blaine Higgs will be anxiously watching the returns roll in Monday night. (Marc Grandmaison/The Canadian Press)
With 12. 7 per cent of the vote, the People's Alliance has won two ridings, CBC News projects, and is leading in two more. Plus, the Green Party, with 11.3 per cent of the vote, is projected to win one riding and it is leading in another two.
Liberal Leader Brian Gallant won his home riding of Shediac Bay-Dieppe, while Tory Leader Blaine Higgs won in Quispamsis.
The People's Alliance made history party leader Kris Austin to captured Fredericton-Grand Lake and Michelle Conroy won Miramichi, home to Liberal minister Bill Fraser. The party is leading in Southwest Miramichi-Bay Du Vin and Fredericton-York.
People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin poses for photo before voting Monday. Austin is projected to make history Monday by capturing one of the party's first ever seats. (CBC)
Green Leader David Coon retained his Fredericton-South seat, and the Greens also have a significant lead in Kent North and a slight edge in Memramcook-Tantramar.
In 2014, Coon became the first Green MLA elected in New Brunswick.
"The people of Fredericton South voted for hope, not fear. They voted for kindness. They voted for change, not the status quo," he said during his victory speech in downtown Fredericton.
NDP Leader Jennifer McKenzie, sitting third in Saint John Harbour, conceded in front of a room of supporters. The party received five per cent of the vote.
"Tonight, people have decided to send others to the legislature," she said.
Three Liberal-held ridings are projected to flip, including Fundy-The-Isles-Saint John West., where Tory candidate Andrea Anderson-Mason beat cabinet minister and longtime MLA Rick Doucet. The party is also trailing in another two ridings it won in 2014.
Another single-term government?
The Gallant Liberals are seeking another four years in power, while the Progressive Conservatives hope to take back the legislative assembly and extend the recent string of single-term governments.
But a trio of smaller parties — the People's Alliance, the Green Party and the NDP — could play an "enormous" role in determining the outcome, said CBC poll analyst Eric Grénier. A third of voters could throw their support behind parties besides the Liberals or Tories.
The Liberals are aiming to be the first government to win a second term since the Bernard Lord Tories in 2003.
When the legislature dissolved, there were 24 Liberals, 21 Progressive Conservatives, one Green, one independent and two vacancies.
Voter turnout
Elections New Brunswick is hoping for a better voter turnout after the historic low of 64.7 per cent in 2014. And so far, the turnout has been positive, according to chief electoral officer Kim Poffenroth.
As of 2 p.m. Monday, more than 177,000 ballots had been cast — higher than normal at that point on election day, she said.
The figure is in part fuelled by a larger turnout in advance voting. More than 87,000 voted early this year compared to 67,317 last election.
Green Party Leader David Coon delivers his victory speech in downtown Fredericton on Monday night. (Catherine Harrop/CBC)
The number doesn't account for special ballots or on-campus voting.
Poffenroth said voting had gone smoothly so far Monday, with just one of the more than 470 polling stations opening late. The Le Goulet station in Shippagan-Lamèque-Miscou riding will remain open for an extra 20 minutes.
However, at least three ridings reported issues with tabulation machines. Elections New Brunswick said the issues in Hampton, Saint John Harbour and Fredericton North have been resolved.
The Liberals chose a pro-spending campaign in the face of concern from economists and the public to improve the province's finances. The party promised heavy spending on infrastructure, health care, nursing homes and education, while also pledging to freeze power rates.
If Gallant wasn't touting his record or making a spending pledge, he was attacking Higgs. The Liberals routinely targeted the PC leader's record as finance minister as well as his connections with big business and warned the electorate of cuts to public services.
Fredericton residents made their way to the polls on Monday as New Brunswick prepares to elect a new provincial government. (James West/Canadian Press)
The PCs were just as active in criticizing Gallant, saying the province "can't afford" another four years of "reckless" Liberal spending.
Higgs stood by his record and even said — in rather dramatic fashion— the Liberals approached him about taking a job in their government following the 2014 election. Gallant denied the claim.
Stabilizing provincial finances and boosting the economy were the pillars of Tory messaging. The party promised to balance the budget two years into their mandate without making cuts to education and health care.
Higgs also campaigned against the "job-killing" carbon tax.
A two-party province no longer
New Brunswick has been a two-party province for, well, forever. Only twice in the past 100 years has a third party held more than one seat in a legislature.
However, a pair of upstart parties in their third election seem poised to play a major role Monday night. The People's Alliance and the Green Party were polling at unprecedented levels leading up to election day.
Feeling the smaller party pressure, both Gallant and Higgs have cautioned against vote splitting. Coon made history in the 2014 election, becoming the first Green MLA elected in the province by winning Fredericton South. Now the party wants to build from Coon's growing profile and name recognition after four years in office.
Liberal Leader Brian Gallant, left, and PC Leader Blaine Higgs routinely attacked each other on the campaign trail. (CBC)
The People's Alliance leader was defeated in Fredericton-Grand Lake by 26 votes in the last election, but Austin has returned with a groundswell of support behind him as the party seeks not only its first seat but multiple seats in the legislative assembly.
The Alliance has gained a fervent following in the past eight years, culminating in its largest field of candidates (30) this year. However, some of its policies, particularly on language issues, have spurred controversy and alienated voters.
The NDP, once firmly positioned as the third-party alternative, fell to fifth place in polls taken during the campaign.
NDP Leader Jennifer McKenzie, who is running in Saint John Harbour, steered the party away from the centre and back to its leftist roots in hopes of capturing its first seat in 15 years.
Gallant is running in Shediac Bay-Dieppe, while Higgs is running in Quispamsis.
Methinks anyone who thinks he can predict the outcome tonight is as wacko as your buddy Chucky Leblanc and the mindless Mr Faust N'esy Pas Premier Gallant?
---------- Original message ---------- From: "Gauvin, Serge (SNB)"<Serge.Gauvin@snb.ca> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 15:11:27 +0000 Subject: Automatic reply: Methinks anyone who thinks he can predict the outcome tonight is as wacko as your buddy Chucky Leblanc and the mindless Mr Faust N'esy Pas Premier Gallant? To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
I am out of the office. I will be back on Tuesday morning, September 25 Please contact Patrick Windle at patrick.windle@snb.caPatrick.windle@snb.ca >
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---------- Original message ---------- From: Mary Wilson <votemarywilson@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 15:08:42 -0300 Subject: Re: Clearly Chris Collins and CBC know that other Independent candidates are in quite a battle as well N'esy Pas Premier Gallant? To: motomaniac333@gmail.com
Thank you for sharing this information, It has been passed on to Mary. The Mary Wilson Campaign Team
> > http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2018/09/cbc-fails-again-to-talk-of-battles-of.html > > Friday, 7 September 2018 > > CBC fails again to talk of the battles of other Independent > politicians in New Brunswick > > > > https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/moncton-centre-chris-collins-election-1.4812940 > > A battle is brewing in Moncton Centre, with Chris Collins an independent > > Former Liberal MLA is confident he can regain seat after being bounced > from caucus > Kate Letterick · CBC News · Posted: Sep 07, 2018 6:00 AM AT > > > "This is all going to come out in public when the lawsuit is proceeded > with and all of the documents have to become public, so until then, I > shouldn't be held back from doing the job that I love, and that's > serving the people of my riding." > > Collins said voters are concerned about a number of issues, including > government spending and language." > > > > https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/shediac-beaubassin-cap-pele-nb-2018-election-1.4810051 > > 'Incestuous politics': a look at New Brunswick's die-hard red riding > > Shediac-Beaubassin-Cap-Pelé is considered one of the safest Liberal > ridings in New Brunswick, if not Canada > Gabrielle Fahmy · CBC News · Posted: Sep 06, 2018 7:00 AM AT > > "We've been voting Liberal since day one. I think we should be > rewarded," said Gallant. > > Marcel Doiron, the Conservative candidate and a Cap-Pelé native, is > campaigning hard in the village. He doesn't miss an opportunity to > take a jab at the Liberals. > > "They take everybody for granted," said Doiron. "We can't live like > this anymore." > > > ---------- Original message ---------- > From: "Gallant, Premier Brian (PO/CPM)"<Brian.Gallant@gnb.ca> > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 11:03:40 +0000 > Subject: RE: Why would the Bankster Frank McKenna ask Gerry Lowe a > former union rep to run in the Harbour that is the heart of the Irving > Empire? > To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > Thank you for writing to the Premier of New Brunswick. Please be > assured that your email will be reviewed. > > If this is a media request, please forward your email to > media-medias@gnb.camedia-medias@gnb.ca
>. Thank you! > > ************************************* > > Nous vous remercions d’avoir communiqué avec le premier ministre du > Nouveau-Brunswick. Soyez assuré(e) que votre courriel sera examiné. > > Si ceci est une demande médiatique, prière de la transmettre à > media-medias@gnb.camedia-medias@gnb.ca>. Merci! > > > ---------- Original message ---------- > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 07:03:36 -0400 > Subject: Why would the Bankster Frank McKenna ask Gerry Lowe a former > union rep to run in the Harbour that is the heart of the Irving > Empire? > To: "Frank.McKenna"<Frank.McKenna@td.com>, "darrow.macintyre" > <darrow.macintyre@cbc.ca>, "brian.gallant"<brian.gallant@gnb.ca>, > ddale <ddale@thestar.ca>, Newsroom <Newsroom@globeandmail.com>, > sugarhil@nb.sympatico.ca, "Bill.Oliver"<Bill.Oliver@gnb.ca>, > "blaine.higgs"<blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>, "terry.seguin" > <terry.seguin@cbc.ca>, rjspeer555@gmail.com, "Ross.Wetmore" > <Ross.Wetmore@gnb.ca>, shoreviewholsteins@gmail.com, "hance.colburne" > <hance.colburne@cbc.ca>, BrianThomasMacdonald > <BrianThomasMacdonald@gmail.com>, oldmaison <oldmaison@yahoo.com>, > andre <andre@jafaust.com>, jbosnitch <jbosnitch@gmail.com>, washington > field <washington.field@ic.fbi.gov>, "Robert.E.Lighthizer" > <Robert.E.Lighthizer@ustr.eop.gov>, "Chrystia.Freeland" > <Chrystia.Freeland@parl.gc.ca> > Cc: "Gerald.Butts"<Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>, "Catherine.Tait" > <Catherine.Tait@cbc.ca>, "sylvie.gadoury" > <sylvie.gadoury@radio-canada.ca>, "Chuck.Thompson" > <Chuck.Thompson@cbc.ca>, "dean.buzza"<dean.buzza@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, > "maxime.bernier"<maxime.bernier@parl.gc.ca>, "elizabeth.may" > <elizabeth.may@parl.gc.ca>, David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>, > "andrew.scheer"<andrew.scheer@parl.gc.ca>, "David.Akin" > <David.Akin@globalnews.ca>, correspondence@ustr.eop.gov, > bjanovitz@ustr.eop.gov, jgreer@ustr.eop.gov, svaughn@ustr.eop.gov, > rlighthizer@ustr.eop.gov, jrvanoord@gmail.com, gdaley@nbnet.nb.ca, > bwwoodslane@gmail.com, dykfarm@nbnet.nb.ca, dejongfons@gmail.com, > kayepeter10@gmail.com, deniscyr10@rogers.com > > > http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2018/09/lets-how-many-comments-cbc-edits-after.html > > > If the election in New Brunswick ain't important why would CBC just > block my comment about Trump, Wllbur Ross and I? Why would the > Bankster Frank McKenna ask Gerry Lowe a former union rep to run in the > Harbour that is the heart of the Irving Empire? > > > https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/saint-john-harbour-nb-election-2018-1.4808144 > > "A city councillor for five years, he played a key role in > successfully persuading council to ask the province to repeal the > city's longstanding tax deal with Irving Oil on the Canaport LNG > terminal. > He decided to run provincially for the Liberals at the request of > Brian Gallant and former premier Frank McKenna. > > "There are so many things that have to be changed and they all exist > in Fredericton," Lowe said. > His major concerns include affordable housing and fair taxation — > especially greater control for the municipality over taxes and > assessments and phasing out double taxation." > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 12:02:58 -0400 > Subject: Re: Hey Kyle read real slow > To: llo@nb.aibn.com, serge.gauvin@snb.ca, patrick.windle@snb.ca, > Erin.Hardy@snb.ca, john.mcnair@snb.ca, claude.poirier@snb.ca, > Michel.Carrier@gnb.ca, Hugues.Beaulieu@gnb.ca, > Katie.Robertson.KentN@gmail.com, MarcelDoiron > <MarcelDoiron@rocketmail.com>, claudetteturner405@gmail.com, > "Gilles.Cote"<Gilles.Cote@gnb.ca>, "dan. bussieres" > <dan.bussieres@gnb.ca>, "chris.collins"<chris.collins@gnb.ca> > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>, "brian.gallant" > <brian.gallant@gnb.ca>, "serge.rousselle"<serge.rousselle@gnb.ca>, > MRichard@lawsociety-barreau.nb.ca, kevhache@nb.sympatico.ca, > krisaustin@peoplesalliance.ca > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Gauvin, Serge (SNB)"<Serge.Gauvin@snb.ca> > Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 15:31:17 +0000 > Subject: Automatic reply: Hey Kyle read real slow > To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > > I am out of the office. I will be back on Monday morning, September > 10 Please contact Patrick Windle at > patrick.windle@snb.caPatrick.windle@snb.ca> > > Je suis absent du bureau. Je serai de retour au bureau lundi matin, > le10 septembre. Veuillez contacter Patrick Windle à > patrick.windle@snb.caPatrick.windle@snb.ca> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Windle, Patrick (SNB)"<Patrick.Windle@snb.ca> > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 13:11:54 +0000 > Subject: Automatic reply: Hey Serge Trust that the First Canadian > Title people, the Fidelity minions and many lawyers will tell you that > I will figure out what a form 13a is. > To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > > I am out of the office until Thursday, August 23. > > For inquiries regarding the land registry, please contact Serge Gauvin > at serge.gauvin@snb.ca. > > For inquiries regarding the corporate registry, please contact the > registry at (506) 453-2703 or SNBCorporateAffairs@snb.ca > > > ________________ > > Soyez avisés que je suis absent du bureau jusqu'à jeudi le 23 août. > > Pour les demandes relatives au registre de biens-fonds, veuillez > contacter Serge Gauvin au serge.gauvin@snb.ca. > > Pour les demandes relatives au registre des affaires corporatives, > veuillez contacter (506) 453-2703 ou SNBCorporateAffairs@snb.ca > > > Patrick Windle > Director – Corporate Registry | Directeur - Registre corporatif > Deputy Registrar General of Land Titles | registrateur général adjoint > des titres de biens-fonds > Registrar of the Personal Property Registry | Registraire du Réseau > d’enregistrement des biens personnels > Registries / Registres > Service New Brunswick / Service Nouveau-Brunswick > > Phone / Téléphone : 506-453-3758 > Fax / Télécopieur : 506-444-3033 > E-mail / Courriel : patrick.windle@snb.ca > > http://www.snb.ca/ > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Hardy, Erin (SNB)"<Erin.Hardy@snb.ca> > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 13:11:58 +0000 > Subject: Automatic reply: Hey Serge Trust that the First Canadian > Title people, the Fidelity minions and many lawyers will tell you that > I will figure out what a form 13a is. > To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > Hello, > > I will be out of the office from August 9-24 inclusive. I will reply > to your email upon my return, however, I will be checking emails > periodically. Thank you. > > Bonjour, > > Je serai absent du bureau du 9 au 24 août inclusivement. Je répondrai > à votre courriel à mon retour, mais, je vérifierai régulièrement les > courriels. Merci. > > > On 9/7/18, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 09:11:48 -0400 > > Subject: Hey Serge Trust that the First Canadian Title people, the > > Fidelity minions and many lawyers will tell you that I will figure out > > what a form 13a is. > > To: serge.gauvin@snb.ca, patrick.windle@snb.ca, "claude.poirier" > > <claude.poirier@snb.ca>, "john.mcnair"<john.mcnair@snb.ca>, > > Erin.Hardy@snb.ca, "alan.roy"<alan.roy@snb.ca> > > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>, "brian.gallant" > > <brian.gallant@gnb.ca>, "hugh.flemming"<hugh.flemming@gnb.ca>, > > MRichard@lawsociety-barreau.nb.ca, "serge.rousselle" > > <serge.rousselle@gnb.ca>, kevhache@nb.sympatico.ca, "greg.byrne" > > <greg.byrne@gnb.ca>, krisaustin <krisaustin@peoplesalliance.ca>, > > "David.Coon"<David.Coon@gnb.ca>, "blaine.higgs" > > <blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>, David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com> > > > > Serge Gauvin > > Registrar General of Land Titles > > Called to the bar: 1995 (NB) > > Phone: 506-457-6933 > > Fax: 506-444-3033 > > Email: serge.gauvin@snb.ca > > Patrick V. Windle > > Deputy Registrar General of Land Titles > > Called to the bar: 1997 (NB) > > Email: patrick.windle@snb.ca > > Service New Brunswick > > Land Registry, 985 College Hill Rd. > > PO Box 1998, Stn. A > > Fredericton, New Brunswick E3B 5G4 > > > > ---------- Original message ---------- > > From: "Auto-reply from kevhache@nb.aibn.com"<kevhache@nb.aibn.com> > > Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 18:20:04 -0400 > > Subject: Re: Too Funny I just talked to Claude Landry Elvy Robichaud’s > > old Chief of Staff He forgot what went down in 2004 and the emails I > > sent him since > > To: david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com > > > > Bonjour > > > > Je serais absent du bureau du 6 aout au 22 aout inclusivement. Le > > bureau sera fermé du 6 au 19 aout inclusivement pour les vacances d > > ete et sera ouvert a partir du 20 aout. Bonne Vacance a tous > > > > Je retournerais votre courriel a mon retour. > > > > Kevin J. Hache > > > > CABINET KEVIN J. HACHE > > 8 Boul St-Pierre Ouest > > C.P. 5662 > > Caraquet NB E1W 1B7 > > 506 727 5150 (telephone) > > 506 727 6686 (telecopieur) > > kevhache@nb.sympatico.ca > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Brian Gallant <briangallant10@gmail.com> > > Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 06:01:57 -0700 > > Subject: Merci / Thank you Re: Fwd: I just called Alan Roy again about > > my right to health care, my missing 1965 Harley, the Yankee Wiretaps > > tapes in its saddlebag and Federal Court and his assistant played dumb > > as usual > > To: motomaniac333@gmail.com > > > > (Français à suivre) > > > > If your email is pertaining to the Government of New Brunswick, please > > email me at brian.gallant@gnb.ca > > > > If your matter is urgent, please email Greg Byrne at greg.byrne@gnb.ca > > > > Thank you. > > > > Si votre courriel s'addresse au Gouvernement du Nouveau-Brunswick, > > svp m'envoyez un courriel à brian.gallant@gnb.ca > > > > Pour les urgences, veuillez contacter Greg Byrne à greg.byrne@gnb.ca > > > > Merci. > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 10:42:09 -0400 > > Subject: Attn Marc Richard and John McNair I just called AGAIN Say hey > > to my Brother in Law W. S. Reid CHEDORE and his brother of the law > > David Lutz QC for me will ya? > > To: MRichard@lawsociety-barreau.nb.ca, John.McNair@snb.ca, > > "serge.rousselle"<serge.rousselle@gnb.ca>, Erin.Hardy@snb.ca, > > David.Eidt@gnb.ca > > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Marc Richard <MRichard@lawsociety-barreau.nb.ca> > > Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 22:51:09 +0000 > > Subject: Automatic reply: RE Irving's ridiculous constitutional > > challenge and Federal Court File no T-1557-15 I wonder if George > > Cooper and Hélène Beaulieure even know how many times the Irvings and > > partners of their VERY snobby law firm have offended me over t... > > To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > > > I will be out of the office until October 30, 2017. Je serai absent > > du bureau jusqu'au 30 octobre 2017. > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: "Eidt, David (OAG/CPG)"<David.Eidt@gnb.ca> > > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 00:33:21 +0000 > > Subject: Automatic reply: Yo Mr Lutz howcome your buddy the clerk > > would not file this motion and properly witnessed affidavit and why > > did she take all four copies? > > To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > > > I will be out of the office until Monday, March 13, 2017. I will have > > little to no access to email. Please dial 453-2222 for assistance. > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Marc Richard <MRichard@lawsociety-barreau.nb.ca> > > Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 13:16:46 +0000 > > Subject: Automatic reply: RE: The New Brunswick Real Estate > > Association and their deliberate ignorance for the bankster's benefit > > To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > > > I will be out of the office until August 15, 2016. Je serai absent du > > bureau jusqu'au 15 août 2016. > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: "McNair, John (SNB)"<John.McNair@snb.ca> > > Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 16:04:29 +0000 > > Subject: Automatic reply: RE: The New Brunswick Real Estate > > Association and their deliberate ignorance for the bankster's benefit > > To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > > > I will be out of the office August 1 - August 12. I will reply to your > > email when I return. If you require immediate assistance, please > > contact Chantal Leger at 663-2510. Thank you. > > > > Je serai absent du bureau les 1 aout - 12 aout. Je répondrai à votre > > courriel à mon retour. Si vous nécessitez de l'assistance > > immédiatement, veuillez contacter Chantal Leger au 663-2510. Merci. > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: "Hardy, Erin (SNB)"<Erin.Hardy@snb.ca> > > Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 16:04:28 +0000 > > Subject: Automatic reply: RE: The New Brunswick Real Estate > > Association and their deliberate ignorance for the bankster's benefit > > To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > > > Le francais suit: > > > > Hello, > > > > I am currently out of the office. I will gladly reply to your message > > upon my return on August 15, 2016. Should you require immediate > > assitance please contact Celeste Savoie at (506) 471-5290 or by email: > > Celeste.Savoie@snb.ca. > > > > Have a nice day! > > > > Bonjour, > > > > Je suis presentement hors du bureau. Il me fera plaisir de repondre a > > votre message a mon retour August 15, 2016. Si vous avez besoin d'une > > assitance immediate, veuillez communiquer avec Celeste Savoie au (506) > > 471-5290 ou par courriel a: Celeste.Savoie@snb.ca. > > > > Bonne journee! > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Marc Richard <MRichard@lawsociety-barreau.nb.ca> > > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 17:43:27 +0000 > > Subject: Automatic reply: Oh My My we just talked briefly Correct Ms > > Beaulieu? It appears to me that the latest President of the NB Law > > Society thinks non lawyers are not worth talking to > > To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > > > I will be out of the office until July 21, 2014. Je serai absent du > > bureau jusqu'au 21 juillet 2014. > > > > > > > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com > >> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:32:09 -0400 > >> Subject: Attn Integrity Commissioner Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C., > >> To: coi@gnb.ca > >> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com > >> > >> Good Day Sir > >> > >> After I heard you speak on CBC I called your office again and managed > >> to speak to one of your staff for the first time > >> > >> Please find attached the documents I promised to send to the lady who > >> answered the phone this morning. Please notice that not after the Sgt > >> at Arms took the documents destined to your office his pal Tanker > >> Malley barred me in writing with an "English" only document. > >> > >> These are the hearings and the dockets in Federal Court that I > >> suggested that you study closely. > >> > >> This is the docket in Federal Court > >> > >> > http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=T-1557-15&select_court=T > >> > >> These are digital recordings of the last three hearings > >> > >> Dec 14th https://archive.org/details/BahHumbug > >> > >> January 11th, 2016 https://archive.org/details/Jan11th2015 > >> > >> April 3rd, 2017 > >> > >> https://archive.org/details/April32017JusticeLeblancHearing > >> > >> > >> This is the docket in the Federal Court of Appeal > >> > >> > http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=A-48-16&select_court=All > >> > >> > >> The only hearing thus far > >> > >> May 24th, 2017 > >> > >> https://archive.org/details/May24thHoedown > >> > >> > >> This Judge understnds the meaning of the word Integrity > >> > >> Date: 20151223 > >> > >> Docket: T-1557-15 > >> > >> Fredericton, New Brunswick, December 23, 2015 > >> > >> PRESENT: The Honourable Mr. Justice Bell > >> > >> BETWEEN: > >> > >> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS > >> > >> Plaintiff > >> > >> and > >> > >> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN > >> > >> Defendant > >> > >> ORDER > >> > >> (Delivered orally from the Bench in Fredericton, New Brunswick, on > >> December 14, 2015) > >> > >> The Plaintiff seeks an appeal de novo, by way of motion pursuant to > >> the Federal Courts Rules (SOR/98-106), from an Order made on November > >> 12, 2015, in which Prothonotary Morneau struck the Statement of Claim > >> in its entirety. > >> > >> At the outset of the hearing, the Plaintiff brought to my attention a > >> letter dated September 10, 2004, which he sent to me, in my then > >> capacity as Past President of the New Brunswick Branch of the Canadian > >> Bar Association, and the then President of the Branch, Kathleen Quigg, > >> (now a Justice of the New Brunswick Court of Appeal). In that letter > >> he stated: > >> > >> As for your past President, Mr. Bell, may I suggest that you check the > >> work of Frank McKenna before I sue your entire law firm including you. > >> You are your brother’s keeper. > >> > >> Frank McKenna is the former Premier of New Brunswick and a former > >> colleague of mine at the law firm of McInnes Cooper. In addition to > >> expressing an intention to sue me, the Plaintiff refers to a number of > >> people in his Motion Record who he appears to contend may be witnesses > >> or potential parties to be added. Those individuals who are known to > >> me personally, include, but are not limited to the former Prime > >> Minister of Canada, The Right Honourable Stephen Harper; former > >> Attorney General of Canada and now a Justice of the Manitoba Court of > >> Queen’s Bench, Vic Toews; former member of Parliament Rob Moore; > >> former Director of Policing Services, the late Grant Garneau; former > >> Chief of the Fredericton Police Force, Barry McKnight; former Staff > >> Sergeant Danny Copp; my former colleagues on the New Brunswick Court > >> of Appeal, Justices Bradley V. Green and Kathleen Quigg, and, retired > >> Assistant Commissioner Wayne Lang of the Royal Canadian Mounted > >> Police. > >> > >> In the circumstances, given the threat in 2004 to sue me in my > >> personal capacity and my past and present relationship with many > >> potential witnesses and/or potential parties to the litigation, I am > >> of the view there would be a reasonable apprehension of bias should I > >> hear this motion. See Justice de Grandpré’s dissenting judgment in > >> Committee for Justice and Liberty et al v National Energy Board et al, > >> [1978] 1 SCR 369 at p 394 for the applicable test regarding > >> allegations of bias. In the circumstances, although neither party has > >> requested I recuse myself, I consider it appropriate that I do so. > >> > >> > >> AS A RESULT OF MY RECUSAL, THIS COURT ORDERS that the Administrator of > >> the Court schedule another date for the hearing of the motion. There > >> is no order as to costs. > >> > >> “B. Richard Bell” > >> Judge > >> > >> > >> Below after the CBC article about your concerns (I made one comment > >> already) you will find the text of just two of many emails I had sent > >> to your office over the years since I first visited it in 2006. > >> > >> I noticed that on July 30, 2009, he was appointed to the the Court > >> Martial Appeal Court of Canada Perhaps you should scroll to the > >> bottom of this email ASAP and read the entire Paragraph 83 of my > >> lawsuit now before the Federal Court of Canada? > >> > >> "FYI This is the text of the lawsuit that should interest Trudeau the > >> most > >> > >> > >> ---------- Original message ---------- > >> From: justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca > >> Date: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:18 PM > >> Subject: Réponse automatique : RE My complaint against the CROWN in > >> Federal Court Attn David Hansen and Peter MacKay If you planning to > >> submit a motion for a publication ban on my complaint trust that you > >> dudes are way past too late > >> To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com > >> > >> Veuillez noter que j'ai changé de courriel. Vous pouvez me rejoindre à > >> lalanthier@hotmail.com > >> > >> Pour rejoindre le bureau de M. Trudeau veuillez envoyer un courriel à > >> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca > >> > >> Please note that I changed email address, you can reach me at > >> lalanthier@hotmail.com > >> > >> To reach the office of Mr. Trudeau please send an email to > >> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca > >> > >> Thank you, > >> > >> Merci , > >> > >> > >> > http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2015/09/v-behaviorurldefaultvmlo.html > >> > >> > >> 83. The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war > >> in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to > >> allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over > >> five years after he began his bragging: > >> > >> January 13, 2015 > >> This Is Just AS Relevant Now As When I wrote It During The Debate > >> > >> December 8, 2014 > >> Why Canada Stood Tall! > >> > >> Friday, October 3, 2014 > >> Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And > >> Stupid Justin Trudeau > >> > >> Canada’s and Canadians free ride is over. Canada can no longer hide > >> behind Amerka’s and NATO’s skirts. > >> > >> When I was still in Canadian Forces then Prime Minister Jean Chretien > >> actually committed the Canadian Army to deploy in the second campaign > >> in Iraq, the Coalition of the Willing. This was against or contrary to > >> the wisdom or advice of those of us Canadian officers that were > >> involved in the initial planning phases of that operation. There were > >> significant concern in our planning cell, and NDHQ about of the dearth > >> of concern for operational guidance, direction, and forces for > >> operations after the initial occupation of Iraq. At the “last minute” > >> Prime Minister Chretien and the Liberal government changed its mind. > >> The Canadian government told our amerkan cousins that we would not > >> deploy combat troops for the Iraq campaign, but would deploy a > >> Canadian Battle Group to Afghanistan, enabling our amerkan cousins to > >> redeploy troops from there to Iraq. The PMO’s thinking that it was > >> less costly to deploy Canadian Forces to Afghanistan than Iraq. But > >> alas no one seems to remind the Liberals of Prime Minister Chretien’s > >> then grossly incorrect assumption. Notwithstanding Jean Chretien’s > >> incompetence and stupidity, the Canadian Army was heroic, > >> professional, punched well above it’s weight, and the PPCLI Battle > >> Group, is credited with “saving Afghanistan” during the Panjway > >> campaign of 2006. > >> > >> What Justin Trudeau and the Liberals don’t tell you now, is that then > >> Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien committed, and deployed the > >> Canadian army to Canada’s longest “war” without the advice, consent, > >> support, or vote of the Canadian Parliament. > >> > >> What David Amos and the rest of the ignorant, uneducated, and babbling > >> chattering classes are too addled to understand is the deployment of > >> less than 75 special operations troops, and what is known by planners > >> as a “six pac cell” of fighter aircraft is NOT the same as a > >> deployment of a Battle Group, nor a “war” make. > >> > >> The Canadian Government or The Crown unlike our amerkan cousins have > >> the “constitutional authority” to commit the Canadian nation to war. > >> That has been recently clearly articulated to the Canadian public by > >> constitutional scholar Phillippe Legasse. What Parliament can do is > >> remove “confidence” in The Crown’s Government in a “vote of > >> non-confidence.” That could not happen to the Chretien Government > >> regarding deployment to Afghanistan, and it won’t happen in this > >> instance with the conservative majority in The Commons regarding a > >> limited Canadian deployment to the Middle East. > >> > >> President George Bush was quite correct after 911 and the terror > >> attacks in New York; that the Taliban “occupied” and “failed state” > >> Afghanistan was the source of logistical support, command and control, > >> and training for the Al Quaeda war of terror against the world. The > >> initial defeat, and removal from control of Afghanistan was vital and > >> > >> P.S. Whereas this CBC article is about your opinion of the actions of > >> the latest Minister Of Health trust that Mr Boudreau and the CBC have > >> had my files for many years and the last thing they are is ethical. > >> Ask his friends Mr Murphy and the RCMP if you don't believe me. > >> > >> Subject: > >> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:35 -0400 > >> From: "Murphy, Michael B. \(DH/MS\)"MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca > >> To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com > >> > >> January 30, 2007 > >> > >> WITHOUT PREJUDICE > >> > >> Mr. David Amos > >> > >> Dear Mr. Amos: > >> > >> This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29, > >> 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP. > >> > >> Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have > >> taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve > >> Graham of the RCMP “J” Division in Fredericton. > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> > >> Honourable Michael B. Murphy > >> Minister of Health > >> > >> CM/cb > >> > >> > >> Warren McBeath warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote: > >> > >> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:34:53 -0500 > >> From: "Warren McBeath"warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca > >> To: kilgoursite@ca.inter.net, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca, > >> nada.sarkis@gnb.ca, wally.stiles@gnb.ca, dwatch@web.net, > >> motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com > >> CC: ottawa@chuckstrahl.com, riding@chuckstrahl.com,John.Foran@gnb.ca, > >> Oda.B@parl.gc.ca,"Bev BUSSON"bev.busson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, > >> "Paul Dube"PAUL.DUBE@rcmp-grc.gc.ca > >> Subject: Re: Remember me Kilgour? Landslide Annie McLellan has > >> forgotten me but the crooks within the RCMP have not > >> > >> Dear Mr. Amos, > >> > >> Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off > >> over the holidays and returned to work this evening. Rest assured I > >> was not ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns. > >> > >> As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our position > >> is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process > >> testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the > >> Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these > >> services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this > >> instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done. > >> > >> As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false > >> imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear > >> that Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada > >> the US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment > >> and policing in Petitcodiac, NB. > >> > >> It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on > >> December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors. > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> > >> Warren McBeath, Cpl. > >> GRC Caledonia RCMP > >> Traffic Services NCO > >> Ph: (506) 387-2222 > >> Fax: (506) 387-4622 > >> E-mail warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca > >> > >> > >> > >> Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C., > >> Office of the Integrity Commissioner > >> Edgecombe House, 736 King Street > >> Fredericton, N.B. CANADA E3B 5H1 > >> tel.: 506-457-7890 > >> fax: 506-444-5224 > >> e-mail:coi@gnb.ca > >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Justice Website <JUSTWEB@novascotia.ca> > > Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:21:11 +0000 > > Subject: Emails to Department of Justice and Province of Nova Scotia > > To: "motomaniac333@gmail.com"<motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > > > Mr. Amos, > > We acknowledge receipt of your recent emails to the Deputy Minister of > > Justice and lawyers within the Legal Services Division of the > > Department of Justice respecting a possible claim against the Province > > of Nova Scotia. Service of any documents respecting a legal claim > > against the Province of Nova Scotia may be served on the Attorney > > General at 1690 Hollis Street, Halifax, NS. Please note that we will > > not be responding to further emails on this matter. > > > > Department of Justice > > > > On 8/3/17, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> If want something very serious to download and laugh at as well Please > >> Enjoy and share real wiretap tapes of the mob > >> > >> http://thedavidamosrant.blogspot.ca/2013/10/re-glen-greenwald-and-braz > >> ilian.html > >> > >>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/06/09/nsa-leak-guardian.html > >>> > >>> As the CBC etc yap about Yankee wiretaps and whistleblowers I must > >>> ask them the obvious question AIN'T THEY FORGETTING SOMETHING???? > >>> > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vugUalUO8YY > >>> > >>> What the hell does the media think my Yankee lawyer served upon the > >>> USDOJ right after I ran for and seat in the 39th Parliament baseball > >>> cards? > >>> > >>> http://archive.org/details/ITriedToExplainItToAllMaritimersInEarly200 > >>> 6 > >>> > >>> http://davidamos.blogspot.ca/2006/05/wiretap-tapes-impeach-bush.html > >>> > >>> http://www.archive.org/details/PoliceSurveilanceWiretapTape139 > >>> > >>> http://archive.org/details/Part1WiretapTape143 > >>> > >>> FEDERAL EXPRES February 7, 2006 > >>> Senator Arlen Specter > >>> United States Senate > >>> Committee on the Judiciary > >>> 224 Dirksen Senate Office Building > >>> Washington, DC 20510 > >>> > >>> Dear Mr. Specter: > >>> > >>> I have been asked to forward the enclosed tapes to you from a man > >>> named, David Amos, a Canadian citizen, in connection with the matters > >>> raised in the attached letter. > >>> > >>> Mr. Amos has represented to me that these are illegal FBI wire tap > >>> tapes. > >>> > >>> I believe Mr. Amos has been in contact with you about this previously. > >>> > >>> Very truly yours, > >>> Barry A. Bachrach > >>> Direct telephone: (508) 926-3403 > >>> Direct facsimile: (508) 929-3003 > >>> Email: bbachrach@bowditch.com > >>> > >> > > > > > http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2017/11/federal-court-of-appeal-finally-makes.html > > > > > > Sunday, 19 November 2017 > > Federal Court of Appeal Finally Makes The BIG Decision And Publishes > > It Now The Crooks Cannot Take Back Ticket To Try Put My Matter Before > > The Supreme Court > > > > https://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/fca-caf/decisions/en/item/236679/index.do > > > > > > Federal Court of Appeal Decisions > > > > Amos v. Canada > > Court (s) Database > > > > Federal Court of Appeal Decisions > > Date > > > > 2017-10-30 > > Neutral citation > > > > 2017 FCA 213 > > File numbers > > > > A-48-16 > > Date: 20171030 > > > > Docket: A-48-16 > > Citation: 2017 FCA 213 > > CORAM: > > > > WEBB J.A. > > NEAR J.A. > > GLEASON J.A. > > > > > > BETWEEN: > > DAVID RAYMOND AMOS > > Respondent on the cross-appeal > > (and formally Appellant) > > and > > HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN > > Appellant on the cross-appeal > > (and formerly Respondent) > > Heard at Fredericton, New Brunswick, on May 24, 2017. > > Judgment delivered at Ottawa, Ontario, on October 30, 2017. > > REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY: > > > > THE COURT > > > > > > > > Date: 20171030 > > > > Docket: A-48-16 > > Citation: 2017 FCA 213 > > CORAM: > > > > WEBB J.A. > > NEAR J.A. > > GLEASON J.A. > > > > > > BETWEEN: > > DAVID RAYMOND AMOS > > Respondent on the cross-appeal > > (and formally Appellant) > > and > > HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN > > Appellant on the cross-appeal > > (and formerly Respondent) > > REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY THE COURT > > > > I. Introduction > > > > [1] On September 16, 2015, David Raymond Amos (Mr. Amos) > > filed a 53-page Statement of Claim (the Claim) in Federal Court > > against Her Majesty the Queen (the Crown). Mr. Amos claims $11 million > > in damages and a public apology from the Prime Minister and Provincial > > Premiers for being illegally barred from accessing parliamentary > > properties and seeks a declaration from the Minister of Public Safety > > that the Canadian Government will no longer allow the Royal Canadian > > Mounted Police (RCMP) and Canadian Forces to harass him and his clan > > (Claim at para. 96). > > > > [2] On November 12, 2015 (Docket T-1557-15), by way of a > > motion brought by the Crown, a prothonotary of the Federal Court (the > > Prothonotary) struck the Claim in its entirety, without leave to > > amend, on the basis that it was plain and obvious that the Claim > > disclosed no reasonable claim, the Claim was fundamentally vexatious, > > and the Claim could not be salvaged by way of further amendment (the > > Prothontary’s Order). > > > > > > [3] On January 25, 2016 (2016 FC 93), by way of Mr. > > Amos’ appeal from the Prothonotary’s Order, a judge of the Federal > > Court (the Judge), reviewing the matter de novo, struck all of Mr. > > Amos’ claims for relief with the exception of the claim for damages > > for being barred by the RCMP from the New Brunswick legislature in > > 2004 (the Federal Court Judgment). > > > > > > [4] Mr. Amos appealed and the Crown cross-appealed the > > Federal Court Judgment. Further to the issuance of a Notice of Status > > Review, Mr. Amos’ appeal was dismissed for delay on December 19, 2016. > > As such, the only matter before this Court is the Crown’s > > cross-appeal. > > > > > > II. Preliminary Matter > > > > [5] Mr. Amos, in his memorandum of fact and law in > > relation to the cross-appeal that was filed with this Court on March > > 6, 2017, indicated that several judges of this Court, including two of > > the judges of this panel, had a conflict of interest in this appeal. > > This was the first time that he identified the judges whom he believed > > had a conflict of interest in a document that was filed with this > > Court. In his notice of appeal he had alluded to a conflict with > > several judges but did not name those judges. > > > > [6] Mr. Amos was of the view that he did not have to > > identify the judges in any document filed with this Court because he > > had identified the judges in various documents that had been filed > > with the Federal Court. In his view the Federal Court and the Federal > > Court of Appeal are the same court and therefore any document filed in > > the Federal Court would be filed in this Court. This view is based on > > subsections 5(4) and 5.1(4) of the Federal Courts Act, R.S.C., 1985, > > c. F-7: > > > > > > 5(4) Every judge of the Federal Court is, by virtue of his or her > > office, a judge of the Federal Court of Appeal and has all the > > jurisdiction, power and authority of a judge of the Federal Court of > > Appeal. > > […] > > > > 5(4) Les juges de la Cour fédérale sont d’office juges de la Cour > > d’appel fédérale et ont la même compétence et les mêmes pouvoirs que > > les juges de la Cour d’appel fédérale. > > […] > > 5.1(4) Every judge of the Federal Court of Appeal is, by virtue of > > that office, a judge of the Federal Court and has all the > > jurisdiction, power and authority of a judge of the Federal Court. > > > > 5.1(4) Les juges de la Cour d’appel fédérale sont d’office juges de la > > Cour fédérale et ont la même compétence et les mêmes pouvoirs que les > > juges de la Cour fédérale. > > > > > > [7] However, these subsections only provide that the > > judges of the Federal Court are also judges of this Court (and vice > > versa). It does not mean that there is only one court. If the Federal > > Court and this Court were one Court, there would be no need for this > > section. > > [8] Sections 3 and 4 of the Federal Courts Act provide > that: > > 3 The division of the Federal Court of Canada called the Federal Court > > — Appeal Division is continued under the name “Federal Court of > > Appeal” in English and “Cour d’appel fédérale” in French. It is > > continued as an additional court of law, equity and admiralty in and > > for Canada, for the better administration of the laws of Canada and as > > a superior court of record having civil and criminal jurisdiction. > > > > 3 La Section d’appel, aussi appelée la Cour d’appel ou la Cour d’appel > > fédérale, est maintenue et dénommée « Cour d’appel fédérale » en > > français et « Federal Court of Appeal » en anglais. Elle est maintenue > > à titre de tribunal additionnel de droit, d’equity et d’amirauté du > > Canada, propre à améliorer l’application du droit canadien, et > > continue d’être une cour supérieure d’archives ayant compétence en > > matière civile et pénale. > > 4 The division of the Federal Court of Canada called the Federal Court > > — Trial Division is continued under the name “Federal Court” in > > English and “Cour fédérale” in French. It is continued as an > > additional court of law, equity and admiralty in and for Canada, for > > the better administration of the laws of Canada and as a superior > > court of record having civil and criminal jurisdiction. > > > > 4 La section de la Cour fédérale du Canada, appelée la Section de > > première instance de la Cour fédérale, est maintenue et dénommée « > > Cour fédérale » en français et « Federal Court » en anglais. Elle est > > maintenue à titre de tribunal additionnel de droit, d’equity et > > d’amirauté du Canada, propre à améliorer l’application du droit > > canadien, et continue d’être une cour supérieure d’archives ayant > > compétence en matière civile et pénale. > > > > > > [9] Sections 3 and 4 of the Federal Courts Act create > > two separate courts – this Court (section 3) and the Federal Court > > (section 4). If, as Mr. Amos suggests, documents filed in the Federal > > Court were automatically also filed in this Court, then there would no > > need for the parties to prepare and file appeal books as required by > > Rules 343 to 345 of the Federal Courts Rules, SOR/98-106 in relation > > to any appeal from a decision of the Federal Court. The requirement to > > file an appeal book with this Court in relation to an appeal from a > > decision of the Federal Court makes it clear that the only documents > > that will be before this Court are the documents that are part of that > > appeal book. > > > > > > [10] Therefore, the memorandum of fact and law filed on > > March 6, 2017 is the first document, filed with this Court, in which > > Mr. Amos identified the particular judges that he submits have a > > conflict in any matter related to him. > > > > > > [11] On April 3, 2017, Mr. Amos attempted to bring a motion > > before the Federal Court seeking an order “affirming or denying the > > conflict of interest he has” with a number of judges of the Federal > > Court. A judge of the Federal Court issued a direction noting that if > > Mr. Amos was seeking this order in relation to judges of the Federal > > Court of Appeal, it was beyond the jurisdiction of the Federal Court. > > Mr. Amos raised the Federal Court motion at the hearing of this > > cross-appeal. The Federal Court motion is not a motion before this > > Court and, as such, the submissions filed before the Federal Court > > will not be entertained. As well, since this was a motion brought > > before the Federal Court (and not this Court), any documents filed in > > relation to that motion are not part of the record of this Court. > > > > > > [12] During the hearing of the appeal Mr. Amos alleged that > > the third member of this panel also had a conflict of interest and > > submitted some documents that, in his view, supported his claim of a > > conflict. Mr. Amos, following the hearing of his appeal, was also > > afforded the opportunity to provide a brief summary of the conflict > > that he was alleging and to file additional documents that, in his > > view, supported his allegations. Mr. Amos submitted several pages of > > documents in relation to the alleged conflicts. He organized the > > documents by submitting a copy of the biography of the particular > > judge and then, immediately following that biography, by including > > copies of the documents that, in his view, supported his claim that > > such judge had a conflict. > > > > > > [13] The nature of the alleged conflict of Justice Webb is > > that before he was appointed as a Judge of the Tax Court of Canada in > > 2006, he was a partner with the law firm Patterson Law, and before > > that with Patterson Palmer in Nova Scotia. Mr. Amos submitted that he > > had a number of disputes with Patterson Palmer and Patterson Law and > > therefore Justice Webb has a conflict simply because he was a partner > > of these firms. Mr. Amos is not alleging that Justice Webb was > > personally involved in or had any knowledge of any matter in which Mr. > > Amos was involved with Justice Webb’s former law firm – only that he > > was a member of such firm. > > > > > > [14] During his oral submissions at the hearing of his > > appeal Mr. Amos, in relation to the alleged conflict for Justice Webb, > > focused on dealings between himself and a particular lawyer at > > Patterson Law. However, none of the documents submitted by Mr. Amos at > > the hearing or subsequently related to any dealings with this > > particular lawyer nor is it clear when Mr. Amos was dealing with this > > lawyer. In particular, it is far from clear whether such dealings were > > after the time that Justice Webb was appointed as a Judge of the Tax > > Court of Canada over 10 years ago. > > > > > > [15] The documents that he submitted in relation to the > > alleged conflict for Justice Webb largely relate to dealings between > > Byron Prior and the St. John’s Newfoundland and Labrador office of > > Patterson Palmer, which is not in the same province where Justice Webb > > practiced law. The only document that indicates any dealing between > > Mr. Amos and Patterson Palmer is a copy of an affidavit of Stephen May > > who was a partner in the St. John’s NL office of Patterson Palmer. The > > affidavit is dated January 24, 2005 and refers to a number of e-mails > > that were sent by Mr. Amos to Stephen May. Mr. Amos also included a > > letter that is addressed to four individuals, one of whom is John > > Crosbie who was counsel to the St. John’s NL office of Patterson > > Palmer. The letter is dated September 2, 2004 and is addressed to > > “John Crosbie, c/o Greg G. Byrne, Suite 502, 570 Queen Street, > > Fredericton, NB E3B 5E3”. In this letter Mr. Amos alludes to a > > possible lawsuit against Patterson Palmer. > > [16] Mr. Amos’ position is that simply because Justice Webb > > was a lawyer with Patterson Palmer, he now has a conflict. In Wewaykum > > Indian Band v. Her Majesty the Queen, 2003 SCC 45, [2003] 2 S.C.R. > > 259, the Supreme Court of Canada noted that disqualification of a > > judge is to be determined based on whether there is a reasonable > > apprehension of bias: > > 60 In Canadian law, one standard has now emerged as the > > criterion for disqualification. The criterion, as expressed by de > > Grandpré J. in Committee for Justice and Liberty v. National Energy > > Board, …[[1978] 1 S.C.R. 369, 68 D.L.R. (3d) 716], at p. 394, is the > > reasonable apprehension of bias: > > … the apprehension of bias must be a reasonable one, held by > > reasonable and right minded persons, applying themselves to the > > question and obtaining thereon the required information. In the words > > of the Court of Appeal, that test is "what would an informed person, > > viewing the matter realistically and practically -- and having thought > > the matter through -- conclude. Would he think that it is more likely > > than not that [the decision-maker], whether consciously or > > unconsciously, would not decide fairly." > > > > [17] The issue to be determined is whether an informed > > person, viewing the matter realistically and practically, and having > > thought the matter through, would conclude that Mr. Amos’ allegations > > give rise to a reasonable apprehension of bias. As this Court has > > previously remarked, “there is a strong presumption that judges will > > administer justice impartially” and this presumption will not be > > rebutted in the absence of “convincing evidence” of bias (Collins v. > > Canada, 2011 FCA 140 at para. 7, [2011] 4 C.T.C. 157 [Collins]. See > > also R. v. S. (R.D.), [1997] 3 S.C.R. 484 at para. 32, 151 D.L.R. > > (4th) 193). > > > > [18] The Ontario Court of Appeal in Rando Drugs Ltd. v. > > Scott, 2007 ONCA 553, 86 O.R. (3d) 653 (leave to appeal to the Supreme > > Court of Canada refused, 32285 (August 1, 2007)), addressed the > > particular issue of whether a judge is disqualified from hearing a > > case simply because he had been a member of a law firm that was > > involved in the litigation that was now before that judge. The Ontario > > Court of Appeal determined that the judge was not disqualified if the > > judge had no involvement with the person or the matter when he was a > > lawyer. The Ontario Court of Appeal also explained that the rules for > > determining whether a judge is disqualified are different from the > > rules to determine whether a lawyer has a conflict: > > 27 Thus, disqualification is not the natural corollary to a > > finding that a trial judge has had some involvement in a case over > > which he or she is now presiding. Where the judge had no involvement, > > as here, it cannot be said that the judge is disqualified. > > > > > > 28 The point can rightly be made that had Mr. Patterson been > > asked to represent the appellant as counsel before his appointment to > > the bench, the conflict rules would likely have prevented him from > > taking the case because his firm had formerly represented one of the > > defendants in the case. Thus, it is argued how is it that as a trial > > judge Patterson J. can hear the case? This issue was considered by the > > Court of Appeal (Civil Division) in Locabail (U.K.) Ltd. v. Bayfield > > Properties Ltd., [2000] Q.B. 451. The court held, at para. 58, that > > there is no inflexible rule governing the disqualification of a judge > > and that, "[e]verything depends on the circumstances." > > > > > > 29 It seems to me that what appears at first sight to be an > > inconsistency in application of rules can be explained by the > > different contexts and in particular, the strong presumption of > > judicial impartiality that applies in the context of disqualification > > of a judge. There is no such presumption in cases of allegations of > > conflict of interest against a lawyer because of a firm's previous > > involvement in the case. To the contrary, as explained by Sopinka J. > > in MacDonald Estate v. Martin (1990), 77 D.L.R. (4th) 249 (S.C.C.), > > for sound policy reasons there is a presumption of a disqualifying > > interest that can rarely be overcome. In particular, a conclusory > > statement from the lawyer that he or she had no confidential > > information about the case will never be sufficient. The case is the > > opposite where the allegation of bias is made against a trial judge. > > His or her statement that he or she knew nothing about the case and > > had no involvement in it will ordinarily be accepted at face value > > unless there is good reason to doubt it: see Locabail, at para. 19. > > > > > > 30 That brings me then to consider the particular circumstances > > of this case and whether there are serious grounds to find a > > disqualifying conflict of interest in this case. In my view, there are > > two significant factors that justify the trial judge's decision not to > > recuse himself. The first is his statement, which all parties accept, > > that he knew nothing of the case when it was in his former firm and > > that he had nothing to do with it. The second is the long passage of > > time. As was said in Wewaykum, at para. 85: > > To us, one significant factor stands out, and must inform > > the perspective of the reasonable person assessing the impact of this > > involvement on Binnie J.'s impartiality in the appeals. That factor is > > the passage of time. Most arguments for disqualification rest on > > circumstances that are either contemporaneous to the decision-making, > > or that occurred within a short time prior to the decision-making. > > 31 There are other factors that inform the issue. The Wilson > > Walker firm no longer acted for any of the parties by the time of > > trial. More importantly, at the time of the motion, Patterson J. had > > been a judge for six years and thus had not had a relationship with > > his former firm for a considerable period of time. > > > > > > 32 In my view, a reasonable person, viewing the matter > > realistically would conclude that the trial judge could deal fairly > > and impartially with this case. I take this view principally because > > of the long passage of time and the trial judge's lack of involvement > > in or knowledge of the case when the Wilson Walker firm had carriage. > > In these circumstances it cannot be reasonably contended that the > > trial judge could not remain impartial in the case. The mere fact that > > his name appears on the letterhead of some correspondence from over a > > decade ago would not lead a reasonable person to believe that he would > > either consciously or unconsciously favour his former firm's former > > client. It is simply not realistic to think that a judge would throw > > off his mantle of impartiality, ignore his oath of office and favour a > > client - about whom he knew nothing - of a firm that he left six years > > earlier and that no longer acts for the client, in a case involving > > events from over a decade ago. > > (emphasis added) > > > > [19] Justice Webb had no involvement with any matter > > involving Mr. Amos while he was a member of Patterson Palmer or > > Patterson Law, nor does Mr. Amos suggest that he did. Mr. Amos made it > > clear during the hearing of this matter that the only reason for the > > alleged conflict for Justice Webb was that he was a member of > > Patterson Law and Patterson Palmer. This is simply not enough for > > Justice Webb to be disqualified. Any involvement of Mr. Amos with > > Patterson Law while Justice Webb was a member of that firm would have > > had to occur over 10 years ago and even longer for the time when he > > was a member of Patterson Palmer. In addition to the lack of any > > involvement on his part with any matter or dispute that Mr. Amos had > > with Patterson Law or Patterson Palmer (which in and of itself is > > sufficient to dispose of this matter), the length of time since > > Justice Webb was a member of Patterson Law or Patterson Palmer would > > also result in the same finding – that there is no conflict in Justice > > Webb hearing this appeal. > > > > [20] Similarly in R. v. Bagot, 2000 MBCA 30, 145 Man. R. > > (2d) 260, the Manitoba Court of Appeal found that there was no > > reasonable apprehension of bias when a judge, who had been a member of > > the law firm that had been retained by the accused, had no involvement > > with the accused while he was a lawyer with that firm. > > > > [21] In Del Zotto v. Minister of National Revenue, [2000] 4 > > F.C. 321, 257 N.R. 96, this court did find that there would be a > > reasonable apprehension of bias where a judge, who while he was a > > lawyer, had recorded time on a matter involving the same person who > > was before that judge. However, this case can be distinguished as > > Justice Webb did not have any time recorded on any files involving Mr. > > Amos while he was a lawyer with Patterson Palmer or Patterson Law. > > > > [22] Mr. Amos also included with his submissions a CD. He > > stated in his affidavit dated June 26, 2017 that there is a “true copy > > of an American police surveillance wiretap entitled 139” on this CD. > > He has also indicated that he has “provided a true copy of the CD > > entitled 139 to many American and Canadian law enforcement authorities > > and not one of the police forces or officers of the court are willing > > to investigate it”. Since he has indicated that this is an “American > > police surveillance wiretap”, this is a matter for the American law > > enforcement authorities and cannot create, as Mr. Amos suggests, a > > conflict of interest for any judge to whom he provides a copy. > > > > [23] As a result, there is no conflict or reasonable > > apprehension of bias for Justice Webb and therefore, no reason for him > > to recuse himself. > > > > [24] Mr. Amos alleged that Justice Near’s past professional > > experience with the government created a “quasi-conflict” in deciding > > the cross-appeal. Mr. Amos provided no details and Justice Near > > confirmed that he had no prior knowledge of the matters alleged in the > > Claim. Justice Near sees no reason to recuse himself. > > > > [25] Insofar as it is possible to glean the basis for Mr. > > Amos’ allegations against Justice Gleason, it appears that he alleges > > that she is incapable of hearing this appeal because he says he wrote > > a letter to Brian Mulroney and Jean Chrétien in 2004. At that time, > > both Justice Gleason and Mr. Mulroney were partners in the law firm > > Ogilvy Renault, LLP. The letter in question, which is rude and angry, > > begins with “Hey you two Evil Old Smiling Bastards” and “Re: me suing > > you and your little dogs too”. There is no indication that the letter > > was ever responded to or that a law suit was ever commenced by Mr. > > Amos against Mr. Mulroney. In the circumstances, there is no reason > > for Justice Gleason to recuse herself as the letter in question does > > not give rise to a reasonable apprehension of bias. > > > > > > III. Issue > > > > [26] The issue on the cross-appeal is as follows: Did the > > Judge err in setting aside the Prothonotary’s Order striking the Claim > > in its entirety without leave to amend and in determining that Mr. > > Amos’ allegation that the RCMP barred him from the New Brunswick > > legislature in 2004 was capable of supporting a cause of action? > > > > IV. Analysis > > > > A. Standard of Review > > > > [27] Following the Judge’s decision to set aside the > > Prothonotary’s Order, this Court revisited the standard of review to > > be applied to discretionary decisions of prothonotaries and decisions > > made by judges on appeals of prothonotaries’ decisions in Hospira > > Healthcare Corp. v. Kennedy Institute of Rheumatology, 2016 FCA 215, > > 402 D.L.R. (4th) 497 [Hospira]. In Hospira, a five-member panel of > > this Court replaced the Aqua-Gem standard of review with that > > articulated in Housen v. Nikolaisen, 2002 SCC 33, [2002] 2 S.C.R. 235 > > [Housen]. As a result, it is no longer appropriate for the Federal > > Court to conduct a de novo review of a discretionary order made by a > > prothonotary in regard to questions vital to the final issue of the > > case. Rather, a Federal Court judge can only intervene on appeal if > > the prothonotary made an error of law or a palpable and overriding > > error in determining a question of fact or question of mixed fact and > > law (Hospira at para. 79). Further, this Court can only interfere with > > a Federal Court judge’s review of a prothonotary’s discretionary order > > if the judge made an error of law or palpable and overriding error in > > determining a question of fact or question of mixed fact and law > > (Hospira at paras. 82-83). > > > > [28] In the case at bar, the Judge substituted his own > > assessment of Mr. Amos’ Claim for that of the Prothonotary. This Court > > must look to the Prothonotary’s Order to determine whether the Judge > > erred in law or made a palpable and overriding error in choosing to > > interfere. > > > > > > B. Did the Judge err in interfering with the > > Prothonotary’s Order? > > > > [29] The Prothontoary’s Order accepted the following > > paragraphs from the Crown’s submissions as the basis for striking the > > Claim in its entirety without leave to amend: > > > > 17. Within the 96 paragraph Statement of Claim, the Plaintiff > > addresses his complaint in paragraphs 14-24, inclusive. All but four > > of those paragraphs are dedicated to an incident that occurred in 2006 > > in and around the legislature in New Brunswick. The jurisdiction of > > the Federal Court does not extend to Her Majesty the Queen in right of > > the Provinces. In any event, the Plaintiff hasn’t named the Province > > or provincial actors as parties to this action. The incident alleged > > does not give rise to a justiciable cause of action in this Court. > > (…) > > > > > > 21. The few paragraphs that directly address the Defendant > > provide no details as to the individuals involved or the location of > > the alleged incidents or other details sufficient to allow the > > Defendant to respond. As a result, it is difficult or impossible to > > determine the causes of action the Plaintiff is attempting to advance. > > A generous reading of the Statement of Claim allows the Defendant to > > only speculate as to the true and/or intended cause of action. At > > best, the Plaintiff’s action may possibly be summarized as: he > > suspects he is barred from the House of Commons. > > [footnotes omitted]. > > > > > > [30] The Judge determined that he could not strike the Claim > > on the same jurisdictional basis as the Prothonotary. The Judge noted > > that the Federal Court has jurisdiction over claims based on the > > liability of Federal Crown servants like the RCMP and that the actors > > who barred Mr. Amos from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004 > > included the RCMP (Federal Court Judgment at para. 23). In considering > > the viability of these allegations de novo, the Judge identified > > paragraph 14 of the Claim as containing “some precision” as it > > identifies the date of the event and a RCMP officer acting as > > Aide-de-Camp to the Lieutenant Governor (Federal Court Judgment at > > para. 27). > > > > > > [31] The Judge noted that the 2004 event could support a > > cause of action in the tort of misfeasance in public office and > > identified the elements of the tort as excerpted from Meigs v. Canada, > > 2013 FC 389, 431 F.T.R. 111: > > > > > > [13] As in both the cases of Odhavji Estate v Woodhouse, 2003 SCC > > 69 [Odhavji] and Lewis v Canada, 2012 FC 1514 [Lewis], I must > > determine whether the plaintiffs’ statement of claim pleads each > > element of the alleged tort of misfeasance in public office: > > > > a) The public officer must have engaged in deliberate and unlawful > > conduct in his or her capacity as public officer; > > > > b) The public officer must have been aware both that his or her > > conduct was unlawful and that it was likely to harm the plaintiff; and > > > > c) There must be an element of bad faith or dishonesty by the public > > officer and knowledge of harm alone is insufficient to conclude that a > > public officer acted in bad faith or dishonestly. > > Odhavji, above, at paras 23, 24 and 28 > > (Federal Court Judgment at para. 28). > > > > [32] The Judge determined that Mr. Amos disclosed sufficient > > material facts to meet the elements of the tort of misfeasance in > > public office because the actors, who barred him from the New > > Brunswick legislature in 2004, including the RCMP, did so for > > “political reasons” (Federal Court Judgment at para. 29). > > > > [33] This Court’s discussion of the sufficiency of pleadings > > in Merchant Law Group v. Canada (Revenue Agency), 2010 FCA 184, 321 > > D.L.R (4th) 301 is particularly apt: > > > > …When pleading bad faith or abuse of power, it is not enough to > > assert, baldly, conclusory phrases such as “deliberately or > > negligently,” “callous disregard,” or “by fraud and theft did steal”. > > “The bare assertion of a conclusion upon which the court is called > > upon to pronounce is not an allegation of material fact”. Making bald, > > conclusory allegations without any evidentiary foundation is an abuse > > of process… > > > > To this, I would add that the tort of misfeasance in public office > > requires a particular state of mind of a public officer in carrying > > out the impunged action, i.e., deliberate conduct which the public > > officer knows to be inconsistent with the obligations of his or her > > office. For this tort, particularization of the allegations is > > mandatory. Rule 181 specifically requires particularization of > > allegations of “breach of trust,” “wilful default,” “state of mind of > > a person,” “malice” or “fraudulent intention.” > > (at paras. 34-35, citations omitted). > > > > [34] Applying the Housen standard of review to the > > Prothonotary’s Order, we are of the view that the Judge interfered > > absent a legal or palpable and overriding error. > > > > [35] The Prothonotary determined that Mr. Amos’ Claim > > disclosed no reasonable claim and was fundamentally vexatious on the > > basis of jurisdictional concerns and the absence of material facts to > > ground a cause of action. Paragraph 14 of the Claim, which addresses > > the 2004 event, pleads no material facts as to how the RCMP officer > > engaged in deliberate and unlawful conduct, knew that his or her > > conduct was unlawful and likely to harm Mr. Amos, and acted in bad > > faith. While the Claim alleges elsewhere that Mr. Amos was barred from > > the New Brunswick legislature for political and/or malicious reasons, > > these allegations are not particularized and are directed against > > non-federal actors, such as the Sergeant-at-Arms of the Legislative > > Assembly of New Brunswick and the Fredericton Police Force. As such, > > the Judge erred in determining that Mr. Amos’ allegation that the RCMP > > barred him from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004 was capable of > > supporting a cause of action. > > > > [36] In our view, the Claim is made up entirely of bare > > allegations, devoid of any detail, such that it discloses no > > reasonable cause of action within the jurisdiction of the Federal > > Courts. Therefore, the Judge erred in interfering to set aside the > > Prothonotary’s Order striking the claim in its entirety. Further, we > > find that the Prothonotary made no error in denying leave to amend. > > The deficiencies in Mr. Amos’ pleadings are so extensive such that > > amendment could not cure them (see Collins at para. 26). > > > > V. Conclusion > > [37] For the foregoing reasons, we would allow the Crown’s > > cross-appeal, with costs, setting aside the Federal Court Judgment, > > dated January 25, 2016 and restoring the Prothonotary’s Order, dated > > November 12, 2015, which struck Mr. Amos’ Claim in its entirety > > without leave to amend. > > "Wyman W. Webb" > > J.A. > > "David G. Near" > > J.A. > > "Mary J.L. Gleason" > > J.A. > > > > > > > > FEDERAL COURT OF APPEAL > > NAMES OF COUNSEL AND SOLICITORS OF RECORD > > > > A CROSS-APPEAL FROM AN ORDER OF THE HONOURABLE JUSTICE SOUTHCOTT DATED > > JANUARY 25, 2016; DOCKET NUMBER T-1557-15. > > DOCKET: > > > > A-48-16 > > > > > > > > STYLE OF CAUSE: > > > > DAVID RAYMOND AMOS v. 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(CBC) > > > > New Brunswick's Progressive Conservative party is losing one of its > > highest-profile MLAs just months before the next provincial election. > > > > Brian Macdonald says he won't be a candidate this fall and may instead > > jump into federal politics. > > > > Calling the last year "my best year in politics," the two-term MLA > > said his decision has nothing to do with PC Leader Blaine Higgs, who > > beat Macdonald for the party leadership in 2016. > > > > "It's been a really good year," Macdonald said. "I've had a strong > > voice in the legislature on issues that are really important to my > > heart. > > > > "I also think it can be a challenge being in provincial politics. It's > > very small, it's very close, it's very tight, and on a personal basis, > > I want to move on." > > > > Macdonald says he’s considering running for the federal Conservative > > nomination in New Brunswick Southwest, which includes part of the > > riding of Fredericton West-Hanwell, where he has been the MLA. (CBC) > > > > Macdonald said he's considering running for the federal Conservative > > nomination in New Brunswick Southwest, a constituency that includes > > part of Macdonald's provincial riding of Fredericton West-Hanwell. > > > > Health critic slams 'gutting' of top doctor's office > > > > Blaine Higgs faces internal PC dissent over appointment > > > > That decision would pit him against former Conservative MP John > > Williamson, who announced May 21 he'll also seek the nomination in the > > riding he represented from 2011 to 2015. Party members in the riding > > will nominate their candidate June 28. > > > > Macdonald said he'll also consider running federally in Fredericton. > > The former soldier said he's also looking at job opportunities with > > national organizations that advocate for veterans. > > > > "I'm looking for opportunities and considering a lot of options," he > said. > > > > Blaine Higgs wins N.B. PC leadership race on 3rd ballot > > > > Tory leadership hopefuls scramble to be 'second choice' of rivals' > > supporters > > > > Macdonald is the fifth candidate from the 2016 provincial PC > > leadership race to opt against running in this year's election under > > Higgs. > > > > Macdonald said he is confident he would have won his riding again and > > the Tories will win the election Sept. 24, meaning he'd have a shot of > > becoming a minister. > > > > But he said being a provincial politician "does wear on you and it > > does make you think about what the other options are. … If I go > > another four years in provincial politics, it concerns me that my > > options would be limited after that." > > > > The 47-year-old also said the recent death of some friends made him > > realize he should pursue other opportunities when he can. > > > > Macdonald's interest in federal politics has been well-known for > > years. He was a political assistant to former federal Defence Minister > > Peter MacKay and sought the federal Conservative nomination for > > Fredericton for the 2008 election. > > > > After failing to win that nomination, he ran provincially in > > Fredericton-Silverwood in 2010 and was elected. He was re-elected in > > the newly created riding of Fredericton West-Hanwell in 2014, when he > > defeated then-NDP leader Dominic Cardy. > > > > Macdonald ran for the leadership of the New Brunswick Progressive > > Conservative Party but lost to Blaine Higgs. (Jacques Poitras/CBC) > > > > In 2016, Macdonald ran for the PC leadership, placing sixth on the > > first ballot out of seven candidates. > > > > Macdonald said he doesn't think his departure will hurt the provincial > > party's chances of holding on to Fredericton West-Hanwell. > > > > "It's going to be very attractive to a number of high-calibre > > candidates who are now beginning to come forward," he said. > > >
Greens predict 'tough negotiations' with Liberals, PCs over governing partnership
Brian Gallant announced the Liberals will approach the Green Party in hopes of forming a partnership
Elizabeth Fraser· CBC News· Posted: Sep 27, 2018 8:13 AM AT
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Shawn McShane
It is unacceptable that some in NB are signing petitions warning the PCs and Liberals that they better not form a coalition with the People's Alliance.
Is this even legal? Doesn't this undermine our democratic process?
Tim Raworth
@Shawn McShane Welcome to NB The English don't matter.
wayne guitard
@Shawn McShane Maybe all those Acadian politicians should try and create their own province.
Barry Odonnell
@Shawn McShane The Acadian Federation is sacred to death that they may lose some of the entitlements they feel entitled to. Now they are trying to intimidate people.
Mack Lei
@Barry Odonnell
I did not realize that they had ever stopped trying to intimidate people .. They have their hired gun, MD , always at the ready to stir things up..
Kris Austin defends himself, as Acadian voices against People's Alliance multiply
Language rights groups suspicious of Austin's 'common sense' approach, but Austin says they misunderstand
Gabrielle Fahmy· CBC News· Posted: Sep 27, 2018 10:36 AM AT
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David Amos
Methinks the election results forever prove that there was no misunderstanding about the French versus English issues among the voters N'esy Pas?
The politicians can play dumb all they wish but they must know that they are not fooling anyone
"People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin believes there has been a big misunderstanding about his party's stand on language rights in the province.
The statement comes on the heels of an increasing number of voices being raised by Acadian groups, warning against a possible coalition involving the three elected Alliance MLAs.
They could hold the balance of power in a minority government.
Liberal and Green Party leaders have also been categorical in rejecting any notion of aligning with the party, on the basis of the language elements of its platform.
So was the Conservatives' only elected francophone candidate, Robert Gauvin, who won in Shippagan-Lamèque-Miscou.
"It's just really unfortunate that that's what being perpetuated by some people out there," said Kris Austin.
"I think it's fear-mongering among some elite groups."
"Kevin Arseneau, winner in the riding of Kent North when asked who the Green Party would likely form an alliance with, the new MLA said he wasn't sure, since the party has a trust and confidence problem with the Liberals and an ideology problem with the PCs. "
John Pokiok
You want to talk about the fairness in New Brunswick my wife works at the Saint John regional hospital she is fully bilingual but she's english-born she has to have testing in her French speaking abilities every year but nurses who are born French are never tested for their abilities in speaking English even though they're holding a bilingual positions isn't that discrimination against English or what.
Dan Armitage
@John Pokiok This is the unfairness of it all. When ever theres a change its never in the middle always too left or too right. Maybe just maybe someday we'll see it happen.
Marc Martin
@John Pokiok
Maybe she has poor French ? Or maybe its all the complaint the Hospitals in Saint John got regarding dissing and snubbing French patients.
Mario Doucet
@Marc Martin English having "poor" French is always the issue, French having poor English is never the issue.
Marc Martin
@Mario Doucet
So you saying its because of all the complaints they got then ? ok.
John Pokiok
@Marc Martin No that is not the case at all she actually probably speaks better French than you do because most likely you speak a chiack. And her results states that she has advance speaking reading or writing ability of French. Now my point is when you get tested once and you pass why do yo have to do this every year yet no one ever test French born nurses on their ability of English.
Robert Thibodeau
@John Pokiok John, she doesn't need to get tested every year. Her language certificate is good for 3 years. I'm fluent in both languages, and I had to be tested in both languages. English first language gets tested in French. French first language in English. Don't be spreading bull.
John Price
@John Pokiok I call horse manure. If this was actually the case, why wouldn't a union be filing grievances, why no human rights complaint, why no official language complaint? I know why - because it's complete bunk.
David Amos
@John Pokiok YUP
David Amos
@John Pokiok Methinks Mr Martin and his liberal cohorts have made too much fun of my Chiac in the past I bet they didn't even notice that I was on the ballot in Fundy again N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Why would I notice that ? Your not even a relevant candidate.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Interesting insult I never heard of such a thing Please explain in Chaic.
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David Amos
@Marc Martin "Why would I notice that ? Your not even a relevant candidate."
Methinks many politicians are familiar with this story that appeared in the Kings County Record June 22, 2004 N'esy Pas?
The Unconventional Candidate By Gisele McKnight
"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."
Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos. The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from running for office in Canada."
"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."
"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.
"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window.
NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico."
David Amos
@David Amos Oh My My Blocked again
David Amos
@David Amos Methinks the soon to be MLA Robert Gauvin should be able to explain your reasoning N'esy Pas?
Jacques Poitras @poitrasCBC · Sep 26, 2018 Replying to @poitrasCBC
Liberal + Green = 24 seats. Not a majority, and that's before a speaker is chosen. Gallant won't comment on that but says Libs will talk to PC MLAs about coming over.
Jacques Poitras @poitrasCBC
Some PC MLAs won't be comfortable with Alliance cooperation, Gallant says. He names Robert Gauvin in particular. 2:38 PM - Sep 26, 2018
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Actually you did....how many people vote for you anyways ?
David Amos
@Marc Martin Need I say that I am honoured that you didn't?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
How many people voted for you?
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks you say interesting things about elected French dudes N'esy Pas?
"Paul Arseneault You might want to put a hold on that PC/PA alliance, Gauvin is getting cold feet and no wonder..if it happens he is a one term MLA."
"Marc Martin @Paul Arseneault He will switch, ive heard people already have a rope with a tree for him."
cheryl wright
i don't understand how having 2 separate health authorities - be it bilingual - infringes on the Acadian rights. I don't understand how having a bus ride shared with both English and French students infringes on anybody's rights or having a linguistic translation device in ambulances infringes on anybody's rights. what does infringe on all rights is not having ambulatory services in a timely fashion or at all due to restrictions, wait times as some hospitals and not others due to staffing, and having a debt that is ballooning out of control.
cheryl wright
@cheryl wright sorry I meant to type NOT having 2 separate health authorities
Dan Armitage
@cheryl wright I'd like to see the acadian society answer those great questions Cheryl
Marc Martin
@cheryl wright
*having 2 separate health authorities - be it bilingual - infringes on the Acadian rights.*
In my point of view it does not, but for the English its all about power.
*I don't understand how having a bus ride shared with both English and French students infringes on anybody's rights *
Because you have two different school administration, both have their own money to budget the buses but again for the English its all about power, for me the only reason I can see is that the French population is scared of the English population, and from all the hatred posts I see here I don't blame them.
*having a linguistic translation device in ambulances infringes on anybody's rights*
It does because when you die you want to make sure to put every chances on your side ? Again its all about eh English wanting control and power, if the table would be changed and they only hired French paramedic across NB would you still be happy ?
Mario Doucet
@Mario Doucet That means Canada and NB.
cheryl wright
@Marc Martin I can tell you that the rights of someone needing medical assistance is better met with a translation box to assist an English paramedic with a French patient than to have nobody answer their call at all. and by all rights it is the French who have started the bullying here starting with mr. Melansons interview this morning on cbc
Marc Martin
@cheryl wright
So its ok if they hire French only paramedics from now on ?
cheryl wright
@Marc Martin you are clearing missing the point and I am done trying to explain it to you. I hope that in your lifetime you do not need the assistance of a paramedic that cant answer your call because of a shortage. bonne nuit
Roy Nicholl
@cheryl wright Your argument is a strawman. Having no ambulance is an entirely different matter than having one of the two paramedics be able to communicate with French or English patients.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl That was not her argument
David Amos
@cheryl wright For what it is worth I agree with you
Marc Martin
@cheryl wright
Hey answer the question would you be ok if they only hired French paramedics ? Ill answer for you its NO.
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos Her statement was " I can tell you that the rights of someone needing medical assistance is better met with a translation box to assist an English paramedic with a French patient than to have nobody answer their call at all"
Which is a strawman.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Why insult the lady or me for that matter?
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos There was no insult on my part, just pointing out the argument was false.
It would be just as false to suggest a translation box to assist a French paramedic with an English patient better meets the rights of someone needing medical assistance than providing none at all.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Yea Right I remember even trying to talk to you before the election.
Rick Given
I watched Mr. Melanson's interview last night and I came away feeling that I had just watched a temper tantrum by a 5 year old.
Dan Armitage
@Rick Given nailed it
David Amos
@Rick Given Me Too
Bernard McIntyre
Sounds like the Acadian Society are the ones who are fear mongering here not the P.A. The Acadian Society are sounding Anti Anglophone. Hopefully not?
Winston Smith
@Bernard McIntyre I think what he is saying is that with such a razor thin margin of victory Mr Gauvin is a king maker. Mr. Higgs may not like it but Mr. Gauvin holds an enormous amount of power in such a crippled legislature. The humour in this situation is brillant to say the least.
Paul Arseneault
@Bernard McIntyre Actually, at this point it seems it is becoming more increasingly difficult for the PC party. Mr. Higgs would not dare try to form a PC/PA coalition without the support of Robert Gauvin and there is no way that is happening.
Bernard McIntyre
@Paul Arseneault. So what your saying is Mr. Gauvin rules the P.C Party not Mr. Higgs or the other 20 M.L.A's.
SarahRose Werner
@Bernard McIntyre - And the Anglophone Rights Association of New Brunswick is anti-Acadian. Your point?
Bernard McIntyre
@SarahRose Werner. I haven't heard the Angolphone Association making any statements so where are you getting your point?
JJ Carrier
@Bernard McIntyre They make statements every day in every form possible...Many of the PANB are WARs, but with better clothing on than the old days of, ahem triple letter protests against the French...Unless history has been rewritten, check the direct link in all these Anglo rights group...You might be surprised what you find in your Scottish/Irish heritage, especially in NNB
Bernard McIntyre
@JJ Carrier. What does WARs stand for? And I do know a little history of my culture. WE are not Anglo.Thats like calling the French, Spainish. Our culture was desimated by the English. How do you think Haggis was made.
David Amos
@Bernard McIntyre Methinks Robert Melanson and his Anti Anglophone Cohorts doth protest too much N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Winston Smith "The humour in this situation is brillant to say the least."
Welcome to the Circus
Marc Martin
@Winston Smith
*They are represented by the People's Alliance who speak for them now.*
There ya go, finally someone who admits that PANB represents the anti-francophone group of NB.
Denis Thomas
@SarahRose Werner I'm a French Acadian and a member/supporter of the ARA.
You were saying?
David Amos
@Denis Thomas Methinks with that and two loonies you can get a cup of coffee N'esy Pas?
James MacDonald
Robert Melanson said, "If you're against duality, then you're against bilingualism." As long a that backwards thinking remains , New Brunswick will remain a backwards province. Every time a party mentions "duality of service" , someone races out to explain the benefits of bilingualism for the province . I think bilingualism is great. I think the segregation of school kids on buses ,based on language is stupid, and probably violates someone's Charter Rights. Having two health care authorities when we can barely afford one, all in the the name of "Bilingualism"? I moved here 27 years ago and I saw right away how messesd up things were in NB. I am leaving here in February and things are still the same. Au revoir. Bonne chance.
Dan Armitage
@James MacDonald I like it too James but thier taking the good out of it all. Want they really want is a one system for themselves not every New Brunswicker
Jeff LeBlanc
@James MacDonald imagine replacing the word "french" with "black" when talking about the school bus situation? It's ridiculous that in 2018 these things are even issues to people. I'm Acadian and couldn't care less what language the bus driver speaks as long as he gets the kids there safely.
Dan Armitage
@Jeff LeBlanc great stuff Jeff
Marc Martin
@James MacDonald
*the segregation of school kids on buses*
Name me one place where people not in power or having the majority segregated the other part? You find it anywhere, it just show the English the lack of understanding their own English language.
Al Bekirkey
@Marc Martin its 2018 bud
Bill Thompson
@Marc Martin Would you repeat that, please.? And this time could you write it in the English language?
Roy Nicholl
@Bill Thompson Perhaps you should ask politely in French?
John Price
@James MacDonald What's most hilarious about this PANB (or COR ver. 3.0), and you James, is do you think somehow magically removing 1 health authority, and saving on, what, maybe 50 busses is going to solve the financial crisis in this province? NOPE. Because the problem never was, and isn't about duality or bilingualism. The problem is all the years people go out and work and pay taxes to other provinces, only to come back to NB to use our hospitals and healthcare system for the most expensive part of their life. Not to mention the fact that the province pays for stupidly small schools, stupidly paved roads for 3 houses, stupidly clearing snow for these same rural roads, etc. it's government waste, but mostly because of healthcare. There is ZERO reason to have 17 odd hospitals in this province - maybe 5 or 6 at most are needed.
John Price
@Jeff LeBlanc Congratulations Jeff. You're Acadian, and you don't care that the bus driver in Edmundston, or Caraquet can't give instructions to a purely francophone kid during an emergency, or can't diffuse a situation when there's a fight on the bus, etc. Totally makes sense. /sarcasm.
Marc Martin
@Al Bekirkey
And ?
Marc Martin
@Bill Thompson
At least I try my best buddy, how about you ?
By the way I cant *repeat* this because I am not talking, I am writing.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Methinks I should write another lawsuit and write it in Chiac this time N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@John Price
Wow...this is well said ty sir. May I add this, we have a shortage of doctors in NB, UNB and the University of Moncton choose more immigrant outside Canada because it pays more leaving our kids who want to be doctors to not have a chance to attend the University, these are subjects we should be talking about.
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos wrote: "Methinks I should write another lawsuit and write it in Chiac this time N'esy Pas?"
If you would find that fulfilling, then you should.
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Maybe you should write it in welfare language.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Should I mention you and your cohorts within it?
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos wrote: "Should I mention you and your cohorts within it?"
Oh, please do. Just be certain to let me know who they are in advance so we can keep our stories straight.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Scroll up and down
John O'Brien
It is now abundantly obvious that it is the French who fear equality. All this fuss is caused by Francophone reaction to the people of NB ( a good number of them Francophones) voting in 3 candidates who dared to say that maybe we should re-examine the state of Language laws here. It really does not make much common sense. I came to Moncton voluntarily 40 years ago; mainly because of the bi-cultural atmosphere. The more I get to know the elite Francophones, the more anti-Francophone I get. Things have changed - a lot. The greed in Francophone circles is staggering.
Marc Martin
@John O'Brien
*It is now abundantly obvious that it is the French who fear equality*
They fear losing their equality, right now its the anti-French that want to remove everything from hem.
* came to Moncton voluntarily 40 years ago*
Then you accepted the fact that NB was a bilingual province, you always have the choice to *voluntarily* move back.
John Price
@John O'Brien It's hilarious you think "a good number of them" voted for COR ver. 2.0. Absolutely hilarious. Why would anyone vote for a party who's looking to take rights away from others?
Also, isn't it interesting that if they're getting great support from English AND French - why did they get elected in the most English areas of the province? Why didn't they win seats up north or down south?
David Amos
@John O'Brien "The greed in Francophone circles is staggering"
I concur
Edwin Kelley
La Patente seems to be alive and well in New Brunswick. According to recent census (2016) there is 66.7% of the population that lists english as their mother tongue and 31.1% that lists french as their mother tongue. There are only 8.5% who are uni lingual french. The divisive rhetoric being spouted by certain groups is unfounded to say the least.
John Price
@Edwin Kelley The dinosaurs from COR ver 1.0 are also still alive & well too apparently.
David Amos
@Edwin Kelley True
Elaine Jones
It is so sad that there are so many individuals out there that are so short sighted. The PA stand on "duality" only makes sense both economically and socially. Segregation by either language or race is both wrong and reckless. The government needs to run the province with the needs of all it's citizens in mind, not just an elite few.
John Price
@Elaine Jones So it's just "an elite few" that get to go on a school bus? Or just the elite that get to go to the hospital? Or is it only the elite that get to get government services?
Yeah, I thought so.
Elaine Jones
@John Price interesting, so you are for separating families and friends . Having one set of rules for some and not for others, interesting. You must be one of those elite.
Marc Martin
@Elaine Jones
*Segregation by either language or race *
A minority who is not in power or a majority cannot segregate anyone pls educate yourself.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "pls educate yourself"
Methinks you should take your own advice N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Not at all, im sure im am more educated then you, for one I have never used welfare, how about you ?
David Amos
@Marc Martin I was Never on welfare in my life as a bureaucrat you should know at least that. I never collected unemployment either because I owned my own business for years. Trust that I made a decent living and NEVER employed people who acted like you.
Bill Thompson
There it is right there! Robert Melanson and Yvon Lapierre do not want bilingualism in this province. They want duality. They want one government for the English and a separate one for the French. So long as the English government is required to be bilingual.
Ian Scott
@Bill Thompson exactly and he said it right there. Duality at a cost of millions and duplications where not warranted yet touts bilingualism as an asset which it is and can be improved on where common sense prevails. He wants duplicated hospital services duplicated public office services duplicated bus services duplicated translation services duplicated french schools next will be the attack on doctors lawyers dentists etc. Secretaries and on it goes.
Rosco holt
@Ian Scott I'll put it this way if everyone was bilingual we wouldn't even have this discussion.
It just some don't bother to learn and then complain that they can't get a certain job because they are not bilingual, while those who learned are being punished.
David Amos
@Bill Thompson Methinks lots of folks had the agenda of Robert Melanson, Yvon Lapierre and their cohorts figured out a long time ago N'esy Pas?
Tim Trites
or any job for that matter. and if the province can't get english kids, after all this time able to function in french then who are they to demand english kids be able to function in french in order to work for them?
talk about your constitutional rights violations, there's one.
read in reverse order
Roy Nicholl
@Tim Trites
It's not the province's responsibility alone to ensure "English" kids are able to function in French. The parents are also part of the equation.
Children are born without language, but with the amazing ability to learn any language or languages - they simply cannot help but learn. We as parents and as a society need to provide the opportunity.
Let's turn your scenario around and ask: Why is it that the majority of Francophone kids are able to function in English by the time they are adults? What can we learn from this to aid their English counterparts in their pursuit of French? We spend more resources now to help English kids learn French than we do to help French kids learn English.
Ian Scott
@Roy Nicholl because it takes a lot of time and effort when 99% of the world around functions in English. And it’s Need is dwindling while Asian languages are in fact likely to be neede more. Take a trip to Ontario.!
Ian Scott
@Ian Scott and many of us just are not wired for it unlike say ?Freeland who speaks several languages. My new nephew is handicapped but picks up both but we have had years of limited exposure and it remains limited. But to force it when not needed is "......duality for political purpose and money.
Marc Martin
@Ian Scott
* because it takes a lot of time and effort *
You have just told us the reason why the English population does not want or want to make the effort to learn a language, well guess what your the only one to blame.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl "What can we learn from this to aid their English counterparts in their pursuit of French?"
Easy have a vote then change the Charter
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos
Once again, your response does not answer the question.
Roy Nicholl
@Ian Scott Then are you willing to give up services and systems in English?
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl I answered it just fine
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos
Then explain how changing the charter will assist English students learn French?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
You didn't answer because you dont know what your talking about.
David Amos
@Marc Martin That why I sued the Queen Correct?
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Why is it so hard to understand that I do not believe the Charter is valid?
Jake Quinlan
From March 12, 1993. I find the wording in 16.1(1) "....as are necessary...." interesting. Perhaps Austin's "common sense approach" are rooted in these few words?
Amendment to the Constitution of Canada
1. The "Constitution Act, 1982" is amended by adding thereto, immediately after section 16 thereof, the following section: "16.1 (1) The English linguistic community and the French linguistic community in New Brunswick have equality of status and equal rights and privileges, including the right to distinct educational institutions and such distinct cultural institutions as are necessary for the preservation and promotion of those communities. (2) The role of the legislature and the government of New Brunswick to peserve and promote the status, rights and privileges referred to in subsection (1) is affirmed."
2. This amendment may be cited as the "Constitution Amendment, 1993 (New Brunswick)".
Marc Martin
@Jake Quinlan
Purple Barney of if you like the CoR leader only has one agendy the removal of French right for the benefit of the anti-French groups in NB...Its not a coincidence he went to every anti-French group ralley in Fredericton in the past 4 years.
cheryl wright
@Marc Martin that is absolutely not true. nowhere in the constitution does it mention that there is a requirement to have separate busses or hospitals etc. it is education only and they have that, they have French schools barely being occupied while English schools recently built are having to add mobile classrooms.. but it is their constitutional right. Education. as far as Kris Austin is concerned about his party agenda maybe if you open your ears instead of your lips you would clearly see that the party is not COR or anti- French and the only ones spewing segregation and fear mongering and inequality is the likes of Mr. Melanson himself
Marc Martin
@cheryl wright
Wrong post, maybe you should read the posts instead of writing nonsense.
*French schools barely being occupied while English schools recently built are having to add mobile classrooms*
Errr sorry ? Fredericton had 1 schools and it was so full that kid where starting to fall out of the windows. What about the half full 18 school the English have in Fredericton ?
PANB = CoR.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. As I said in another comment. You only read what you want to hear.
Robert Thibodeau
@cheryl wright They have , They have.... Come on. Can you hear yourself? You get all these services in your language too.
Robert Thibodeau
@Bernard McIntyre "You only read what you want to hear" . Thats a new one.
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre
Not really I'm stating facts that no one here can even chalenge me on them...In the end its all about jealousy and bitterness.
David Amos
@Jake Quinlan Methinks you should study my lawsuit ASAP N'esy Pas?
Google David Amos Federal Court
Marc Martin
@David Amos
No one wants to google that, its a waste of time.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks that you don't want them to N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks that you don't want them to N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Want what ?
Tim Trites
just so it's clear. NOWHERE in the Constitution does it guarantee DUALITY rights
Roy Nicholl
@Tim Trites The constitution does guarantee service in your choice of English or French. To delivery those services necessitates some form of duality.
Marc Martin
@Tim Trites
It does for school administration.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Nope
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos
The alternative would be for all those involved in the delivery of services to be fluently bilingual ... which probably would not sit well with your purview.
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl What makes you think that the Charter holds water?
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos Philisopical existentialism aside, the Charter, like the other foundations of our society (government, courts, etc) is a human construct which has validity because we have given it.
While it is good for us to question our social constructs, we should do so earnestly and not from a place of malice, fear or contempt.
Timothy Meehan
The Charter says the GOVERNMENT must be bilingual. Not the PROVINCE or the COUNTY. Why are not all police 100% bilingual? Why do drunk drivers go free every year because a police officer can't be arsed to learn French? It's all games. (I support PA but also Acadian rights. Their position is misrepresented.)
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Who do you think you impressed with the fancy lingo?
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos wrote: "Who do you think you impressed with the fancy lingo?"
David: This would be one of those times when it is difficult to see what you are talking about.
June Arnott
@Tim Trites that is true.
Marc Martin
@Roy Nicholl
*David: This would be one of those times when it is difficult to see what you are talking about.*
Lucky you I never understand anything he says....
Tim Trites
nor does it say that any GIVEN job needs to be bilingual
David Amos
@Tim Trites True
JJ Carrier
Can we track Buster Astle down and ask him if he has stopped partying?
David Amos
@JJ Carrier Methinks he no longer cares N'esy Pas?
June Arnott
Well! I’ve been called many things but never an elitis. I will give the common sense part though. Our ambulance services are suffering. Why not hire English only and put them in those areas. Still though , say no to this backwards party.
Marc Martin
@June Arnott
Why not hire everyone French ?
David Amos
@Marc Martin Why not fire all the French?
james taylor
Ambulance ? Call 911,,,,,, enter 1 for English Ambulance,,,,, enter 2 for French Ambulance,,,,, enter 3 "If You Don't Give A ****" .
David Amos
@james taylor Good Point
Greens predict 'tough negotiations' with Liberals, PCs over governing partnership
Brian Gallant announced the Liberals will approach the Green Party in hopes of forming a partnership
Elizabeth Fraser· CBC News· Posted: Sep 27, 2018 8:13 AM AT
Green Party Leader David Coon says New Brunswickers want parties to work together in the legislative assembly.
Green Party Leader David Coon is predicting "tough negotiations" between his party and the Liberals and Progressive Conservatives as the political leaders continue to grapple with the province's minority government situation.
"We have an unprecedented situation with the results of this election," said Coon.
"Our caucus's goal is to deliver to New Brunswickers a stable government and serve the public interest and tackle the challenges we've got in front of us."
The two major parties fell short of the required 25 seats for a majority — the PCs won 22 and the Liberals 21, pending recounts. The remaining six seats in the legislature were evenly split between the Greens and the People's Alliance.
New Brunswick has not had a minority government since 1920.
Coon has arranged to have individual phone conversations on Thursday with both Higgs and Gallant to "look at what kind of government might be built in the legislative assembly.
"I'm humbled by the fact the people of this province have voted to give us the balance of responsibility to help build a stable government in the legislature."
Coon said his goal right now is to be part of a collaboration that will last. He hopes both parties will recognize they didn't receive a majority of support and can't govern that way.
"If we're going to get a throne speech passed, if we're going to get a budget passed, then we've got to have some kind of agreement in the legislative assembly that enables a minority government to function," he said.
Coon didn't say what that agreement might look like.
"It's going to be tough negotiations over the next couple of weeks," he said in an interview with Information Morning Fredericton.
But Coon did make it clear he will not make a decision until October, after the final results are confirmed.
Premier Brian Gallant, standing before the Liberal caucus outside the New Brunswick Legislative Building, said Wednesday the party will approach the Greens about a formal partnership. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)
"What we need here is an agreement to enable the legislature to function and a government to serve the people of this province."
Later on Thursday, Higgs rejected striking any deals with other parties or forming a coalition but he wasn't clear about how his party, with only 22 seats, might govern. He said he expected to be able to work with the other parties on areas where there is agreement.
On Wednesday, Gallant announced the party will approach the Green Party with the hope of forming a partnership based on shared "progressive policies."
What shape that partnership would take would have to be discussed, Gallant said. It was the first public chess move by a party in the two days since Monday's election that left both the Liberals and Progressive Conservatives claiming the right to govern.
Catching up on Monday's dramatic election results? This video will give you the highlights
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New Brunswick election night in 90 seconds
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Gallant said during the campaign that he would not work with the PCs or the People's Alliance because they don't share Liberal "values."
He said Wednesday that voters sent a clear message they wanted the government to work with "other parties," but he suggested that the Greens are the more natural pairing for the Liberals.
With files from Information Morning Fredericton and Colin McPhail
PC Leader Blaine Higgs says he expects to govern eventually but won't cut deals
Higgs says Lt.-Gov. Jocelyne Roy Vienneau told him he'll be asked to govern if Gallant loses confidence vote
Elizabeth Fraser· CBC News·
Progressive Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs arrives at Government House prior to his meeting with Lt.-Gov. Jocelyne Roy Vienneau in Fredericton on Thursday. (James West/Canadian Press)
Progressive Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs says the lieutenant-governor has told him he'll be asked to form a government if the Liberals lose a confidence vote in the legislature, but he won't cut any deals to make it happen or stay in power.
"I'm hopeful we will form a minority government, because that's exactly what the province voted for," Higgs told reporters after his meeting with Lt.-Gov. Jocelyne Roy Vienneau in Fredericton, which lasted more than an hour.
At the meeting, Higgs also asked that the legislature be called back as soon as possible. Gallant has suggested it could happen anytime before Christmas.
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The legislature is set to resume Oct. 23, a date set long before the election and subject to change.
"She said this isn't going to go on, we can't have this instability in the province," Higgs said. "She gave every indication this will not go months, it'll go days and weeks."
I have the most seats. That is typically how democracy works and I'm calling on Brian Gallant to realize he lost the election.- Blaine Higgs , leader of the PC party
After the meeting, Higgs made it clear there would not be another election until the Liberals give governing a try, and then the Conservatives if necessary.
Neither won enough seats Monday for a majority, but the PCs came out one seat ahead of the Liberals. Higgs said he would not form a coalition and was adamant he will not "work things out" with Gallant. But Higgs did say he is willing to work with other parties in the legislative assembly.
"I have faith in both the Green Party and People's Alliance," he said. "I'm not cutting deals to stay in power."
Getting on with the job
Meanwhile, Green Party Leader David Coon has arranged to have individual phone conversations on Thursday with both Higgs and Gallant to "look at what kind of government might be built in the Legislative Assembly."
"It's going to be tough negotiations over the next couple of weeks," he said in an interview with Information Morning Fredericton.
"What we need here is an agreement to enable the legislature to function and a government to serve the people of this province."
Initially, Higgs indicated he would be meeting with Roy Vienneau on Tuesday, but that meeting was postponed to Thursday, which last for more than an hour.
Liberal Leader Brian Gallant met with Roy Vienneau on Tuesday morning and said she gave him permission to continue governing while he and his Liberals try to win the confidence of the legislature.
But Higgs fired back that Gallant was merely "prolonging the inevitable" and it's "sad Gallant is so focused on his future career."
The PC leader urged the premier to call the legislature, so New Brunswick can have a legitimate government again.
"I have the most seats. That is typically how democracy works and I'm calling on Brian Gallant to realize he lost the election.
"The province deserves and needs a functioning government."
He said there are timely issues that need addressing, and he cited delays in compensating flood victims and the harm being done to New Brunswick companies by the 20 per cent U.S. tariffs on softwood lumber.
Crossing the floor
But Higgs also emphasized he wouldn't make backroom deals with other parties or MLAs, saying voters are "sick and tired of people holding onto power."
He suggested this set him apart from Gallant.
"It's evident he's desperate to hold onto power and he's trying to buy time with the hopes he can convince one of my MLAs to cross the floor," Higgs said.
Although he wouldn't say who, Higgs said he was present when one of his MLAs received a call from Liberals on Wednesday night suggesting the MLA cross the floor.
Before Higgs met with Roy Vienneau, a Liberal staffer shared copies of a PC to Liberal email about discussing the next government.
"All of a sudden the reception got real bad when I got on the phone," he said.
Before Higgs met with Roy Vienneau, a Liberal staffer shared copies of an email from a PC to a Liberal about discussing the next government.
Higgs said he did not authorize anyone to speak with other MLAs about crossing the floor. "I will not buy anyone to cross the floor. I will not and have not offered anyone something to join."
Higgs and Gallant have been clashing this week over how to interpret the election results where the PCs won 22 seats compared to the 21 seats held by the Liberals. A party needs 25 seats for a majority government.
The People's Alliance and the Green Party each won three seats.
After his meeting with Roy Vienneau, Higgs was to meet with his caucus at the Fredericton Inn.
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Kris Austin defends himself, as Acadian voices against People's Alliance multiply
Language rights groups suspicious of Austin's 'common sense' approach, but Austin says they misunderstand
Gabrielle Fahmy· CBC News·
Kris Austin said he finds it unfortunate so many voices are being raised against the People's Alliance in the wake of Monday's election because of the party's opposition to certain language requirements. (CBC)
People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin believes there has been a big misunderstanding about his party's stand on language rights in the province.
The statement comes on the heels of an increasing number of voices being raised by Acadian groups, warning against a possible coalition involving the three elected Alliance MLAs.
They could hold the balance of power in a minority government.
Liberal and Green Party leaders have also been categorical in rejecting any notion of aligning with the party, on the basis of the language elements of its platform.
So was the Conservatives' only elected francophone candidate, Robert Gauvin, who won in Shippagan-Lamèque-Miscou.
"It's just really unfortunate that that's what being perpetuated by some people out there," said Kris Austin.
"I think it's fear-mongering among some elite groups."
Says he respects French and English
Throughout the campaign, francophones have expressed shock and horror at what they perceived as their acquired rights up for debate for the first time in decades.
What we're asking for is let's apply some common sense to how we make this work."- Kris Austin, People's Alliance
The Official Languages Act was passed nearly 50 years ago by the Louis Robichaud government, giving New Brunswickers the option to receive public services in the language of their choice.
Austin campaigned on a platform that would see francophone and anglophone health authorities merge, duality in school busing end, and the office of the official languages commissioner abolished.
The Alliance elected three MLAs on Monday night in mostly anglophone rural ridings. (CBC)
The party also wants to eliminate bilingual requirements for public service jobs in regions where there's no demand —something Austin said Wednesday he will not compromise on, citing ambulance wait times in rural areas.
"We're not asking to dilute minority rights," he said. "We respect the rights of both French and English in this province. What we're asking for is let's apply some common sense to how we make this work."
I think the words of 'common sense approach' is a trap, essentially. - Yvon Lapierre, Dieppe mayor
Austin, who said he was "baffled" by the comments he's heard from francophone groups since the election, believes ambulance services are in crisis, something he blames in part on bilingual requirements leaving jobs unfilled.
But he said that doesn't make him anti-francophone.
"We're saying, we'll do whatever it takes to make sure paramedics show up in a decent amount of time," said Austin.
Francophones not buying it
"That is for me bullshit," said Robert Melanson, president of the Acadian Society of New Brunswick. "When you're against duality, you're against bilingualism, you're against everything — well you're not for the equality."
Melanson's group is one of 14 that signed a letter against any coalition scenario involving the People's Alliance.
Robert Melanson doesn't believe Kris Austin is not anti-bilingualism. (CBC)
"It would be a terrible historical error for any political party that would do that," Melanson said. "Because I think that would be a stigma that would stay on a political party."
The mayors of 19 municipalities, from Memramcook in the southeast to Edmundston in the northwest, also signed.
Dieppe Mayor Yvon Lapierre was one of them.
"I'm concerned that francophones in this province will lose rights that they have acquired over many years," said Yvon Lapierre.
"I think the words of 'common sense approach' is a trap, essentially."
Yvon Lapierre said francophones are worried they are losing ground in New Brunswick. (CBC)
Both believe bilingualism is being used as a scapegoat for the province's poor finances.
"I think there's a sense with people particularly in rural New Brunswick that they have lost something," said Lapierre. "I think it's quite to the contrary, when we look at the benefits of bilingualism that have brought to our economy locally."
He cited the example of jobs being brought with the TD call centre coming to Dieppe because of the bilingual workforce.
"Bilingualism is bringing over $1.4 billion to the province every year," Melanson said. "It's a populist party that is trying to put the economic blame on the Acadians and that is not right.
Bilingualism … is there to stay. - Robert Melanson , Acadian Society
"Bilingualism — by the way, is there to stay."
Blaine Higgs, who has worked hard to persuade francophone voters he is their ally, won the most seats on Monday night although Premier Brian Gallant will continue governing if he wins the confidence of the legislature.
Higgs has been careful not to use the word coalition, but he said he would work with other parties on a case-by-case, bill-by-bill basis.
He and Austin have not spoken since the election, according to their spokespeople.
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People's Alliance more likely to support the PCs, Kris Austin says
No talks yet, but Alliance leader open to a formal agreement to keep another party in power
Jacques Poitras· CBC News·
Kris Austin says the People's Alliance Party would have to have a formal agreement to support another party in a minority government. (CBC)
People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin says he's open to a formal agreement to support a minority government for a fixed period of time, and says it seems "obvious" his party is more likely to vote with the Progressive Conservatives.
It was the Alliance leader's first public comments since election night on what his caucus of three MLAs may do when the legislature convenes later this fall.
Both the incumbent Liberal government and the PCs lack the majority they would need to win the confidence of the house and pass legislation.
"We understand this is a minority situation," Austin said. "It requires negotiation. There's going to have to be give and take. We're willing to be part of that, but they have to be willing to part of that with us."
Before the election, the Alliance said in a tweet that it will decide how to vote "bill by bill," deciding case by case whether to help pass legislation rather than propping up one party.
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Seeks formal agreement
But Austin now says he'd also look at a more formal arrangement similar to the NDP-Green agreement in British Columbia. The Greens agreed to support the NDP on confidence votes and budgets for two years, in exchange for a role in developing policy.
"We're open to both scenarios and that's the key," Austin said. "That's why we're still internal discussions to try to think about the best way to make this work."
PC spokesperson Nicolle Carlin said leader Blaine Higgs wouldn't comment on the idea of a formal deal "until he actually hears from Mr. Austin. At this point, the two have not spoken."
Kris Austin said Premier Brian Gallant has said Liberals won't work with the People's Alliance, so it would likely work with the Progressive Conservatives led by Blaine Higgs. (Photo: Canadian Press)
Monday's vote left the PCs with 22 seats, one more than the Liberals at 21. The Greens and the Alliance won three each.
Despite that, Premier Brian Gallant said he will use parliamentary rules that give him the right to call the legislature and try to win enough support to continue to govern.
Gallant said during the campaign that he would not work with the PCs or the Alliance because they don't share Liberal "values."
2 parties ruled out co-operation
Austin said those comments suggest the Alliance is more likely to end up supporting the Tories.
"I think it's pretty obvious," he said. "With that said, we've always said from day one that we're willing to work with any party that's willing to work with us. What is unfortunate is the Liberals and the Greens have made it clear they don't have the same feeling."
Green Party Leader David Coon refused to discuss his options in such detail Wednesday, saying he and his new MLAs want to look for ways to make the legislature more co-operative to reflect the will of voters.
"For us, it's really about doing things differently," Coon said.
He told reporters that the three other parties all have positions the Greens could support, including the Alliance's promise to ban glyphosate spraying.
"That's a particular issue we could co-operate with them on," he said.
He said the Greens would not compromise on fundamental issues such as language rights but didn't say what he'd do if he felt other parties were threatening those rights.
"I don't see that happening," Coon said said.
Softer language rules are Austin's priority
Austin would not say whether the Alliance would have a red-line position — an Alliance policy that he'd force a government to adopt in return for support in the legislature.
But he said his call to relax bilingual hiring requirements for ambulance paramedics, a commitment PC Leader Blaine Higgs has also made, will be the party's top priority.
"That will be a big one for us, for sure."
Several of the Alliance leader's positions have alarmed francophones. On Tuesday, PC Robert Gauvin, newly elected in Shippagan-Lamèque-Miscou and the party's only francophone MLA, said he'd find it difficult to accept any co-operation between his party and Austin's.
"I'd love to have a coffee with him," Austin said. "I would simply clarify what we've been saying all along and address any concerns that he may have, or his constituents."
No conversations about crossing floor
People's Alliance candidate Rick DeSaulniers won in Fredericton-York. (CBC)
Monday's election saw the Alliance elect its first ever MLAs. Besides Austin himself, who has run in three elections, voters elected Michelle Conroy in Miramichi and Rick DeSaulniers in Fredericton-York. So far, no other party has talked to any of them about crossing the floor, he said.
Austin said Gallant's decision to try to hold on to power "may be constitutionally and legally right, but I'm not so sure it's in the best interests of the people."
He said the premier should be clearer on how quickly he'll convene the legislature and attempt to win a confidence vote.
Michelle Conroy won in the riding of Miramichi. (Radio-Canada)
"'Before Christmas' is pretty vague. Are we talking December 7 or December 14? Are we talking Oct. 15? That's before Christmas, too. How do you read that?"
Because the election results haven't been certified, Austin and his two colleagues haven't taken any steps to set up offices at the legislature, he said.
But he joked that among the staffers he may need to hire is an expert in parliamentary procedure.
"We're going to need some direction in that sense," he said. "We have a general idea of how it works but we're certainly going to need some advice."
We are a divided province. The French are united we stand and the English are divided we will fall. The Cons will never do anything but walk the fine line, trying not to upset either group. So many bought into the foolish propaganda they touted about splitting the vote. Meanwhile we continue to slide. Did anyone bother to read the first article about our finances? Duality costs and its a luxury we cant afford. Wake up English NB!
Marc Martin
@Tim Raworth
Barney is putting wrong facts in your head, just the merging itself of the 2 health authority will cost millions and at the end you still need the staff to do the work.
Jeff Smith
I don't see how Liberals can make a deal with both an extreme left and extreme right party. It's going to be Higgs as Premiere with the PC's and making a deal with PA after the confidence vote next month.
There is no way the cons will align themselves with the purple anti-francophone group it would be the death of its party.
Mack Leigh
@Marc Martin Why is it you keep spout falsehoods with absolute glee ?? The PANB are not now , nor have they ever been anti-francophone... They are however anti-waste, anti-segregation, anti-marginalization of the majority, anti-forced social engineering , anti-apartheid style governing, anti-unrealistic, unnecessary and unwarranted language requirements, anti- treating anyone who does not speak french like a second class citizen....... They are pro-unity, pro-common sense, pro-balancing the budget, pro-fairness, pro- treating every New Brunswicker the same however they are not, have not and will never be anti-francophone.....
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh
*Why is it you keep spout falsehoods with absolute glee *
Not falsehoods at all 90% of their platform is on language.
*anti- treating anyone who does not speak french like a second class citizen*
Again lies from PANB supporters, you have the same rights we do, you have access to the same services, in the end this is all about bitterness and jealousy for a few hundred jobs for the provincial government of NB.
Matt Steele
It is a tough situation . The Greens and the Liberals both believe in heavy taxes , and wasteful spending ; but their numbers together only total 24 , 1 short of the required 25 seats required . The PCs and the Peoples Alliance may be able to work together for a total of 25 seats ; but then new PC MLA Robert Gauvin will throw a hissy fit ; and jump to the Liberal party . Meanwhile , the N.B. economy remains in the dumpster ; and the debt continues to spin out of control !!!
Roy Nicholl
@Matt Steele Have you read the party platforms and polices of the parties you "slag". Surprising to many folks, the Green Party has a fairly conservative and sustainable approach to finances.
Marc Martin
@Matt Steele
*Peoples Alliance may be able to work together for a total of 25 seats *
WRONG its 24 seats, they would have to appoint a speaker.
Mack Leigh
@Marc Martin Thankfully they have the option of enticing a Green Party member to be Speaker......et voila !
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh
That wont happen.
Chris McNee
Any party that gets rid of 2 health care networks to 1 would get my vote next election (in 12 weeks) our province is broke yet we have to health networks? Take all the pays we give to a second set of executives and get us more drs.
Marc Martin
@Chris McNee
The merge would cost millions and the cost savings would only be towards directors, at the end you cant assume the staff can do double work, stop thinking like Barney he's like the childrens cartoon.
Mack Leigh
@Marc Martin The merge would save millions, end the constant push and pull that has been going on and the me first mentality...... Why are you so against any cost savings and collaboration ?? We need to leave our ego's and the me, me, me mentality at the door and actually act in the best interest of all...... all of the people of New Brunswick....
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh
*The merge would save millions*
Says a failed pastor...Don't you think if they could save money the Libs and Cons would have done it already, the merging would need reorganising everything and would cost millions of $.
*Why are you so against any cost savings and collaboration *
I'm not at all against it, the thing is the saving of money would be minimum, and it would only save money In a few years.
*need to leave our ego's and the me*
The French are fighting to keep their rights and the anti-French PANB is fighting to remove these rights that a big difference.
Paul Arseneault
You might want to put a hold on that PC/PA alliance, Gauvin is getting cold feet and no wonder..if it happens he is a one term MLA.
Marc Martin
@Paul Arseneault
He will switch, ive heard people already have a rope with a tree for him.
Bob Rae says minority rule is all about numbers — but 3rd parties shouldn't overreach
Former politician has some experience with supporting and ending minority governments
Angela Bosse· CBC News·
Bob Rae was in Fredericton this week to deliver a lecture on human rights and populism. (CBC News)
New Brunswick is facing its first minority government in almost 100 years, coupled with a ripple of populism that will bring two small parties to greater prominence in the legislature. This is unknown territory for voters and politicians alike.
Enter Bob Rae, who knows a thing or two about starting, and finishing, minority governments. In 1979, it was Rae's motion as an NDP member of Parliament that precipitated the end of Joe Clark's minority government.
As leader of Ontario's NDP during the minority election of 1985, Rae signed an accord with the second-place David Peterson Liberals that toppled Frank Miller's Progressive Conservatives, ending a 42-year-old Tory dynasty and putting the Liberals in power.
In minority governments you think you've got a lot of leverage if you're the balance of power, as they say, but you've got to always be careful not to overplay your hand.- Bob Rae, former federal cabinet minister
Then, as a federal Liberal MP and interim party leader, Rae had a front-row seat to Stephen Harper's two consecutive minority governments. The lesson from all those political nail-biters?
"It's all about the numbers," the now-retired politician said during a brief stop in Fredericton to deliver a university lecture.
"It's not about the theories about what you can do, but can you actually do it?"
Bob Rae on the future of a minority government in New Brunswick
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Former NDP premier and Liberal leader Bob Rae said while minority coalition governments can work well when there is a clear shared agenda, the numbers in New Brunswick election are so close it's hard to tell if stability can be achieved. 0:15
Despite Blaine Higgs's claim that he should have the first chance to form government because he won the most seats, Rae said Premier Brian Gallant has every right to try to govern if he can.
"The question is will he be able to pull it off," Rae said.
"Looking at these numbers, it's hard for me to see how that lasts for four years, unless something dramatic happens."
In New Brunswick, the past few days have been all about the political drama as parties scramble to keep their footing following an election with no clear victor.
On Monday, the PCs won 22 seats, the Liberals 21, and the Green and People's Alliance parties each won three.
New Brunswick Premier Bian Gallant intends to continue governing and is going after Green Party support. (James West/THE CANADIAN PRESS)
Gallant has made clear he intends to continue governing, either on his own or in co-operation with a third party, and he hopes to work something out with the Greens.
"Our caucus believes that there are a lot of commonalities that we could work on to ensure there's a progressive government," Gallant said.
Both the Greens and the People's Alliance could wield significant power over the future of New Brunswick's government. Neither the Liberals nor the PCs can govern without the support of one or both of the third parties.
How those parties exercise that power also has significant implications for their future political success. Rae warned third parties that forming a coalition with larger partners can backfire if they try to overreach.
"In minority governments you think you've got a lot of leverage if you're the balance of power, as they say, but you've got to always be careful not to overplay your hand," he said.
"The reality is that the Liberal Party got 37 per cent and the Conservative Party got 32 per cent, and that's a lot more than the other parties got."
Rae was in Fredericton to give the annual Bernie Vigod lecture on human rights at St. Thomas University. His subject, human rights in the age of populism, also had resonance in New Brunswick's election.
People's Alliance Party Leader Kris Austin promised during his 'common sense' campaign that he would end language duality. (CBC)
Populism, according to Oxford, is a political movement that "strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups."
Both the People's Alliance and the Green Party share some populist roots, even if they do occupy opposite ends of the political spectrum.
We have a premier in Ontario who said he won a massive majority. Well he won 40 per cent of the vote. Mr. Trump didn't have a majority, he lost the popular vote. - Bob Rae
Rae cautions that populism may have legitimate roots, but that it is vulnerable to chauvinism and manipulation by demagogues, particularly the Donald Trump brand of "me first" politics that most people associate with populism today.
Kris Austin's "common sense" approach appeals to the concerns of many ordinary New Brunswickers, but his linguistic policy and opposition to duality have francophones worried about their constitutional language rights.
Green Party Leader David Coon has made it clear his party is opposed to the Alliance's language policies. At the same time, Coon has said his economic policy would shift investment inward to focus on businesses and co-operatives at the community level, instead of courting larger corporations.
He said the Green Party would support "co-operatives at the community level that are community-based, locally owned and particularly that are focused on meeting the needs of New Brunswickers to help reduce our imports, and that will keep more money in our economy, creating more jobs here and more opportunity here."
Coon's vision of a self-sufficient New Brunswick demonstrates populist tendencies when it comes to the economy, and his party's grassroots environmental movement does set itself against the political status quo of Liberals and PCs — take the party's popular bumper sticker slogan "David Coon works for me," for example.
The Green Party, which, like the People's Alliance, won three seats, could also play an important role in what happens next with the New Brunswick government. (Sarah Morin/CBC)
"Populism, if you're not careful, can tip over the edge and say this is about the majority getting whatever the hell they want," Rae said. "And then you say, 'Wait a minute, who decides what the majority want?' We have a premier in Ontario who said he won a massive majority. Well he won 40 per cent of the vote. Mr. Trump didn't have a majority, he lost the popular vote."
Rae said human rights are about protecting minorities, which creates a conflict with populism. "That's not always popular for a court to say, 'We're going to protect that minority and we're going to do what needs to be done to protect it.'
"In the case of New Brunswick, it's the language issue, it's a classic. We have laws that protect the linguistic minority, and if you just throw that overboard you're into pretty dangerous territory."
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Green MLA Kevin Arseneau says he'll put Kent North first
Kevin Arseneau says he was approached by Liberals and PCs but wasn't asked to cross the floor
CBC News·
Kent North MLA Kevin Arseneau said he was approached by the Liberals and PCs but wasn't asked to to join either party in efforts to govern. (Tori Weldon/CBC)
Kent North's newest MLA, Kevin Arseneau, says he will represent the people of the riding before he represents Green Party interests.
"I have a problem with this tight, tight party line, where you have to — and I've heard horror stories from other politicians of how they use the party line to intimidate MLAs into taking certain decisions."
If I represent these people, I've got to feel, understand, experience what they're living. - Kevin Arseneau, elected in Kent North
Arseneau said that's not the type of politics he wants to be a part of, and suggested he ran because the Green Party agrees.
"I really like the fact that, you know, I get to represent the people of Kent North before putting the interests of the party first."
Arseneau won the formerly Liberal seat with 4,056 votes, one of three wins for the Greens on Monday.
"During my campaign I wanted to understand — I have to represent some fishermen — if I wanted to understand what they were doing, I wanted to go on a boat for a whole day."
Even though people cautioned him from spending too much time doing that, Arseneau said he felt he had to.
"If I represent these people, I've got to feel, understand, experience what they're living."
Arseneau described this as the on-the-ground way he plans to do his job as MLA.
Change wanted
As he campaigned door-to-door, Areseneau said, he was told over and over that people wanted a change.
"They told me they were fed up with this blue-red kind of always fighting together. And we see that they're continuing to do it."
He was referring to Premier Brian Gallant and Progressive Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs each expecting to govern after a close election left the PCs with one more seat than the Liberals.
"Both of them are wanting to grasp on power instead of just working together for the better of everyone."
Arseneau said he believes this is why so many voters were fed up.
I told them basically, we have met already with the Green caucus and we're converging today to meet in person and having a long work meeting about this. - Kevin Arseneau
"This is what I was hearing at the door, and I was giving them a message a lot more positive." The Green Party and People's Alliance will each have three seats in the legislature, which could give the Greens or the Alliance some unexpected influence.
Arseneau said his campaign included supporting all cultures and languages, and he wants to continue working the same way, rather than being like the People's Alliance, which he said is causing division. "In the riding, we've stopped shale gas by coming all together," he said.
No rush for alliance
Arseneau said the Green Party is in no rush to form alliances with any other political party, he said. Representatives of other parties have been in touch and want an answer right away, but the party is taking its time replying.
"We're going to take a little bit of time and talk about it and see what the different options are and try to chose the best option for my riding and for the people of New Brunswick as a whole."
Arseneau confirmed he was himself approached by other parties about possibly sitting down and talking with them or working with with them but said there were no invitations to cross the floor.
Information Morning - Moncton
NB Votes - Kevin Arseneau
00:0009:30
Kevin Arseneau, winner in the riding of Kent North talks about the Green party's role in a minority government. 9:30
"I told them basically, we have met already with the Green caucus and we're converging today to meet in person and having a long work meeting about this."
When asked who the Green Party would likely form an alliance with, the new MLA said he wasn't sure, since the party has a trust and confidence problem with the Liberals and an ideology problem with the PCs.
lol... Kavanaugh tried to blame the Clintons for God's sake. This man is not fit for SC justice. He's an emotional mess and is clearly anti-Dem. You may say all justices carry political leanings, but I have NEVER heard one carry on with such nonsense (Clintons, lol) and be so biased in his political views. And this is before the three women had the courage to come forward! Repubs ram this nomination through, they will pay at price at the polls next month because women would be more motivated than ever to neuter Trump, who is a conman who the Russians backed as president. Not to mention the steady stream of Trump SWAMP cronies pleading guilty to felonies. With all these convictions, its official .. Trump's admin is the most corrupt since Nixon's. No way around that fact I'm afraid..
Oh My My Looky Looky we have another noname LIEbrano Troll making comments within my blog. Methinks Trudeau The Younger needs far better help ASAP N'esy Pas?
Methinks the Yankee political actors such as Alec Baldwin playing Trump or Robert De Niro playing Mueller and now Matt Damon acting as Kavanaugh would have read this file N'esy Pas?
'SNL' has Matt Damon play an angry Brett Kavanaugh
By Frank Pallotta, CNN
Updated 3:06 AM ET, Sun September 30, 2018
New York (CNN)"Saturday Night Live" kicked off its season premiere Saturday with a sketch about this week's hearing of US Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh. The twist? Kavanaugh was played by Matt Damon.
The 44th season premiere of the NBC sketch series opened with Damon playing an angry Kavanaugh screaming at the Senate committee asking him questions.
"WHAT?!" Damon's Kavanaugh said, opening the hearing. "Let me tell you this, I'm going to start at an 11 then I'm going to take it to a 15 real quick!"
Damon's Kavanaugh explained that he wrote his statement the night before while "screaming into an empty bag of Doritos."
"I'm usually an optimist," Damon said as the nominee. "I'm a keg-half-full kind of guy, but what I've seen from the monsters on this committee makes me want to puke ... and not from beer!"
The satirical sketch series has used celebrities for key roles the last few seasons from Alec Baldwin playing President Trump to Robert De Niro playing special counsel Robert Mueller.
Damon's Kavanaugh, who was viciously drinking glasses of water and was either yelling in a blind rage or crying, said that his accuser, Christine Blasey Ford, had no real evidence. He, on the other hand, has calendars.
"I've got these calendars," he said. "These beautiful, creepy calendars."
The sketch also mocked the Senate Judiciary Committee's treatment of sex crimes prosecutor Rachel Mitchell, who was played by Aidy Bryant.
"Hi, I have about 4,000 loose papers on this weird little baby desk they set up for me here," Bryant's prosecutor said. "My name is Rachel Mitchell. I'm mostly here for Twitter."
She added that even though those on the committee would likely call her "female prosecutor," you can just call her "prosecutor."
The NBC sketch show also had cast member Kate McKinnon add Sen. Lindsey Graham to her long line of characters.
McKinnon played up Graham's angry reaction from Thursday's hearing.
"You know what this is, Judge Kavanaugh? This is HELL!" McKinnon's Graham said.
"This is my audition for Mr. Trump's Cabinet and for a regional production of 'The Crucible.'"
The cold open ended with Damon's Kavanaugh wrapping up his questioning.
"If you think I'm angry now just wait until I get on that Supreme Court because then you're all going to pay," he said before shotgunning a beer.
He then finished with beer still on his chin by saying the show's catch phrase,
This whole article is a pile of donkey dung. Ever since the beginning of time Judges have been appointed along political lines. The are nominated by the President of the day based on political affiliation. And confirm by the party with a majority of votes. Kavanagh just exposed the hypocrisy in a public forum.
Kendra Mayben
@Robert Uncle That's not always true. The canadian supreme court is a good example of even though the justices may have conservative / liberal leanings, some of the "conservative" judges write fairly liberal opinions. For example, Justice Brown on our current supreme court.
Ron Paul
@Robert Uncle The republicans nominate people who protect the constitution and democrats appoint people who will pass their policies that aren't popular enough to have the people pass through normal government channels.
Kendra Mayben
@Ron Paul Republicans are outnumbered in America by democrats in number. By millions. So, no. Republicans do not represent the popular vote in America.
John Montgomery
@Ron Paul I didn't realize committing felonies were required to protect the constitution. Seems to be the common thread for all Trump's appointees.
John Montgomery
@Rob Davies Donald Trump only appreciates men who take what they want, regardless of stupid laws.
Robert Uncle
@Rob Davies ...I agree that appointments need to be screened. But what we witnessed is a partisan attack. Regardless of who gets nominated by what president the objective of the other party is to use every dirty trick available to discredit the nomination. Is he guilty??? Who knows. The whole process is not intended to find the truth but to publicly humiliate and discredit the appointee.
David Amos
@Robert Uncle I agree it is well known that Harper politically vetted every judge he appointed (over 800) just as the liberals do now.
David Amos
@Robert Uncle Here is something Kavanagh don't know about'
Google the following
Trump Cohen David Amos NAFTA FATCA TPP
Content disabled. David Amos
"Content disabled." ???
Shame on CBC
Content disabled. David Amos Methinks I should remind Mr Trump and Mr Trudeau and their many lawyers and judges and cops why I sued so many people and ran for public office 7 times thus far N'esy Pas?
This story appeared in the Kings County Record June 22, 2004
The Unconventional Candidate By Gisele McKnight
"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."
Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos. The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from running for office in Canada."
"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."
"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.
"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window.
NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico."
Content disabled. Carlson Tucker
That's a rich argument coming from the media. The media's bias is utterly crystal and those who don't toe the non-objective narrative have their rebuttals disabled while those who break posting guidelines are permitted to make personal attacks.
The sycophants are running the asylum. Keep it up, that's what got Trump elected in the first place
Content disabled. Andrew Ogden
@Carlson Tucker HERE! HERE!
Content disabled. David Amos
@Carlson Tucker YUP
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David Amos
@Carlson Tucker My latest comment is another stress test of the system
Content disabled. Anne Bochan @Andrew Ogden that is hilarious.
Content disabled. Andrew Ogden @Anne Bochan Thank ... you?
Lee Hall
Trump gave Kavanaugh very bad advice suggesting he take an aggressive, confrontational stance in his testimony. After his weak interview with Fox News.
It made him look unprofessional, easily rattled, and highly partisan to the general public. The same way Trump consistently appears in public.
Taylor Godspeed
@Lee Hall the man had been accused of being a sexual predator and gang rapist for 2 weeks. These allegations destroyed his reputation and family. Given that, I’m surprised he was as composed as he was. The average person would be irate and justifiably so.
Montgomery L Pownall
@Taylor Godspeed it’s a job interview, for one of the most important jobs in the US. Unfortunately somone leaked the info, Ford came out. Allegations have to be dealt with. He is a judge, he should have not gone on his democrat rant and conspiracy theory on the Clinton Revenge rhtoric. He is not your average person, he is a judge.
Lee Hall
@Taylor Godspeed <--- a="" an="" around="" br="" danced="" degree="" drew="" fbi="" him.="" investigation="" kavanaugh="" more="" of="" possibility="" suspicion="" the="" towards="" tremendous="" way=""> As a judge vying for the Supreme Court, he would know that transparency would go a long way to demonstrating his innocence.
But instead he is telegraphing fear of an investigation.--->
Taylor Godspeed
@Lee Hall he has been investigated by the FBI 6 times already. This investigation is going to ask people questions they’ve already been asked and they will give answers they’ve already given under oath. This is simply a delay by the Dems.
Montgomery L Pownall
@Taylor Godspeed Flake isn’t a dem, he is the one who delayed. You get vetted at different tines over the years depending on jobs, security clearances etc. These 6 vettings were not all at once. They on,y go back so far. The witnesses that were not allowed at the hearing will now be questioned by the FBI...
Jennifer McIsaac
@Taylor Godspeed
I doubt very much that the past investigations would have found Christine Blasey Ford and her allegations as they would not have been alerted to her assault.
Timmy Trivetts
@Lee Hall When people are smearing your name, you stand up and fight back. In his particular situation, he literally has no choice now, they have destroyed his name and career unless he prevails.
Jennifer McIsaac
@Lee Hall
Kavanaugh came across to me as deranged. He seems temperamentally completely unsuited to be on the Supreme Court.
Then his obvious biases would also make him unsuitable.
Partisanship will be the end of the US if they do not rein it in and return to an objective outlook in their world views. Tribalism is not something that should enter into politics.
The whole process for appointing and affirming Supreme Judges is horribly flawed when it becomes so political.
Lee Hall
@Timmy Trivetts <--- advice="" aggressive="" and="" as="" bad="" be="" br="" combative.="" gave="" him="" i="" kavanaugh="" suggested="" telling="" to="" trump="" very=""> It's that very approach that Trump takes that makes him such a polarizing figure. Especially with the general public... non-fans of Trump.
Trump may have cost his own man the job.--->
Montgomery L Pownall
@Timmy Trivetts unless he is innocent. If he is innocent, he has no worries, does he? Except for that rant about democrats and conspiracy theories....imo...if he is innocent, he should not have to “prevail”..imo
James Holden
@Lee Hall Kavanaugh's performance in the hearing showed that he is unfit to judge anyone impartially. This alone should be disqualifying for his current position let alone a seat on the Supreme Court. Stating falsehoods under oath to the Committee should lead to his removal as a judge. The sex crime allegations are not even needed to conclude that Kavanaugh should not be on the Supreme Court.
mo bennett
@Lee Hall bad advice is what 45 does best.
Marc LeBlanc
@Taylor Godspeed Based on those accusations an "average person"as you say would be screaming for more investigations and take a polygraph if he/she were innocent.Clearing his so called good name should be the highest priority for him..but it's not
Matt Thuaii
@Lee Hall
But now the investigation they were refusing to conduct was all their idea...and they’re geniuses for thinking of it first...
...also I bet the FBI is now the greatest, with all the best people.
Stephen George
@Taylor Godspeed
Your picture is worth a thousand words.
André Carrel
@Montgomery L Pownall No, this is no a 'job interview'. What is at stake is not Kavanaugh's job, a promotion, a better benefits plan, better working conditions for the man, with an attractive pension plan and health care.
This is not about Kavanaugh, it is about the future of the Supreme Court of the United States, and the responsibility assigned to that Court under the country's constitution.
Jim Palmer
@Lee Hall
"Trump gave Kavanaugh very bad advice suggesting he take an aggressive, confrontational stance in his testimony ....."
It's all little donnie knows; when caught/trapped in his lie(s), the bully 'doubles down' ! Sad.
Richard Sharp
@Lee Hall
“Judicial temperament," indeed. In the crunch, Kavanaugh came across as the spoiled frat boy he has always been
Matt Thuaii
@Lee Hall
Now, after trashing the FBI for two years, they’re saying this investigation will definitely be fair and impartial, and are confident it will arrive at the conclusion they desire...
I wouldn’t bet on it.
Matt Thuaii
@Lee Hall
They’ve followed him over the cliff...
...and now they’re riding him all the way.
Lee Hall
@Matt Thuaii <--- aligned="" all.="" are="" as="" at="" be="" been="" br="" cia="" democrat="" establishment.="" fbi.="" flake="" handling="" has="" in="" interesting.="" interesting="" is="" it="" many="" matt.="" not="" of="" or="" outcome="" over="" pleased="" remain="" republicans="" s="" so="" successful="" taking="" the="" they="" this="" trump="" why="" will="" with=""> There is no doubt, all facets of the US government and judicial system are becoming highly politicized.--->
Lee Hall
@Lee Hall <--- 1="" and="" behaviour="" br="" but="" conservatives="" far="" find="" for="" from="" genuinely="" have="" highly="" him="" inspire="" insulting="" is="" largely="" lost="" majority="" may="" most="" not="" of="" offensive="" on="" people="" primarily="" republicans="" s="" the="" themselves="" trump="" truthful.="" voters.="" way="" worked=""> Trying to appoint a judge that is far right, while the majority of Americans have leaned left for decades in their social views, just indicates how greedy, self serving, and power hungry the Republicans and the 1% they represent, truly are.--->
Andrew Hebda (NS)
@Lee Hall
Kavanaugh (a Judge) took the advice of (= was influenced) by the POTUS...
That immediately casts doubt on his ability to be impartial ... so, IMHO he has disqualified himself from the post (not to mention his current post). Does the American public not see this?
Jason Tremblay (JasonDiggy)
@Lee Hall
If a woman had acted that way, she would have been dismissed as "hysterical."
Yet Republican men circled the wagons around him, including Trump.
James Holden
@Lee Hall
It is interesting to note that the so called 'deep state' that Trump refers to like a boogie man are simply civil servants doing their jobs. What has been happening since Trump took power is the installation of highly partisan operatives to head every agency and they, in turn, have purged the highly placed civil servants and replaced them with more highly partisan 'termites' that are destroying those agencies from the inside. Look at EPA and that is systemic under Trump. In effect, he has installed his own Deep State where there was none before.
It is an axiom with Trump that when he accuses some person or group opposing him of something, he or the Republicans have already been doing it.
Richard Donald
@Jason Tremblay (JasonDiggy) Did you follow the 2016 presidential election and Hillary Clinton resistance tours?
Michele McLean
@Lee Hall
And you know, if he was stupid enough to take any advice from Trump, is he really Supreme Court material?
Michele McLean
@Jennifer McIsaac
And he is probably and incorrigible drunk as well.
Michele McLean
@Stephen George
And what smart person would use such a pic anyway, knowing that their own employment prospects would be limited by it?
Michele McLean
@Andrew Hebda (NS)
I'm hoping that the UN overtly laughing at Trump broke the spell that has been over so many of the American people.
I believe some have finally awakened to recognize that the emperor has no clothes - and neither does the empire.
@Lee Hall The fact that under oath Kavanaugh misrepresented his drinking at Yale should disqualify him. Surely truth matters to a Supreme Court judge.
Dan Shortt
@Lee Hall What makes you think Kavanaugh was talking Trump's advice?
Lee Hall
@Arlond Lynds ' Surely truth matters to a Supreme Court judge.' ____________________________________________________
Not for a Republican led Senate Committee more interested in approving a heavily partisan Supreme Court judge that could give the political right a voting advantage for many years to come. Even though the US population has leaned left socially for decades. As the US would be headed towards full blown fascism in its government and judiciary. Kavanaugh has shown a strong belief in protecting corporation's best interests over individual's and women's rights in the past. And believes in protecting the strong executive powers of the president.
Authoritarian fascism would then best describe the US.
Claire Bensen
@Lee Hall Yet DT got elected....seems to be a winning strategy. Tragically.
David Amos
@Richard Sharp So you say However methinks the lady doth protest too much after saying nothing for so many years N'esy Pas?
Lee Hall
@David Amos 'Methinks the lady doth protest too much after saying nothing for so many years N'esy Pas?' ___________________________________________________________
@Lee Hall it seems most political news is reported with bias. By evading questions regarding a potential FBI investigation he really put the rest of the story in the background. He made himself look dishonest.
Felicia Kinzburg
@Lee Hall He is a human, he was upset - this is normal, considering the amount of libel he was subjected for the last few weeks. You, sure, are aware that he is innocent till proven guilty. And it is a duty of accuser to prove his guilt, not vice versa.
Lee Hall
@Felicia Kinzburg <--- and="" anti-women="" anti-worker="" as="" balanced="" be="" br="" comments="" decisions.="" far="" has="" have="" he="" his="" i="" in="" is="" it="" kavanaugh="" many="" mine="" not="" of="" partisan="" personally="" policies="" pro-corporations="" pro-military="" pro-oligarchy="" reject.="" right="" s="" said="" shown="" support="" that="" to="" views.=""> Very much for giving almost authoritarian powers to the president.
He is not nearly balanced enough to be suitable for a country that leans left socially and in their laws. He is hard right wing.
No person that leans left, would have any rational reason to support Kavanaugh (or Trump).--->
Brent Christianson
@Taylor Godspeed
This is the most realistic accurate name ever on these postings!
Louren Organzo
@Michele McLean Right, because everybody here uses their real name...lol
James Holden
@Felicia Kinzburg
It was an interview for a job, not a court of law. If someone treated judge Kavanaugh in his court the way he treated Senator Klobuchar in the committee chamber, they would be in jail for contempt.
David Amos
@Lee Hall I am saying that I didn't believe her
Lee Hall
@David Amos I am saying that I didn't believe her __________________________________________________________
??? Your original comment strongly suggests you think she has too much to say, after not coming out sooner.
Joe Renaud
@Felicia Kinzburg
This might be normal for someone off the street but we are talking about a justice in the highest court in the most powerful country in the world. He must be above the fray and not take the bait and most certainly not express any political bias. In these respects, Kavanaugh has failed dismally.
Clayton Delaney
@Taylor Godspeed >> Not justifiably so if he's guilty. But I guess we'll never know for sure now.
Staś Tarkowski
@Lee Hall
True, he did appear quite unglued at times. But boy did her story have holes. and then some.
Penny Robertson
@Staś Tarkowski
No, it didn't. His had far more holes. She was completely credible.
Jim Palmer
@Lee Hall
Kavanaugh demonstrated that he is as totally unfit to be a Supreme Court Judge as Trump has repeatedly demonstrated that he is totally unfit to be POTUS. These are very dark times for America. Sad.
Content disabled. David Amos
@Lee Hall The record of this comment section clearly shows what I wrote
Who are you to put words in my mouth?
David Amos
@Felicia Kinzburg I agree
Content disabled. David Amos
@Lee Hall "No person that leans left, would have any rational reason to support Kavanaugh (or Trump)."
Methinks thats what all left wingnuts say in the USA and Canada EH?
David Amos
@Joe Renaud "He must be above the fray and not take the bait"
Welcome to the Circus
Perhaps you may enjoy my baiting of Trump and his lawyers et al by Googling the following
Trump Cohen David Amos NAFTA FATCA TPP
Content disabled. David Amos
@Louren Organzo "Right, because everybody here uses their real name...lol"
What is so funny?
I certainly use my real name and always did even before CBC dreamt up the rules that state we must be who we claim to be. I agree with this because Noname Trolls have no right to Free Speech particularly when they practice libel within a domain overseen by the Crown and financed by my fellow citizens N'esy Pas?.
Neil Gregory
"faith in a neutral Supreme Court"
I have been following Aerican politics for several decades and have reached the conclusion that the last thing the right-wing Republicans want is a fair, impartial, and neutral supreme court. One very strong piece of evidence for my assertion was their absolute refusal to even consider anyone nominated by Barak Obama.
William Perry
@Neil Gregory Bingo ! Totally agree. Mitch McConnell once stated that the Republican Party's main goal was to make sure that Barak Obama did not get a second term. Republicans...party first....country second. I would assume that the Democratic Party's main goal is to make sure Trump does not get a second term....but for very different reasons. Country first !!!!
Dougie carlson
@William Perry the country is American and Trump is America first. Obama is a globalist which is not country first
Montgomery L Pownall
@Dougie carlson Obama is not the president. Is he? Trump just added a Trillion to the deficit. Started trade wars that are now putting the cost of products up, eating away any of the tiny little tax cut he gave to the poor and middle class, while giving a giant tax cut to his elite rich buddies, but keep believing his nterstnis for you..imo.
Montgomery L Pownall
@Montgomery L Pownall interests ..
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John Sollows
@Dougie carlson
Intelligent people who are prosperous realize that when they help needful others and cooperate with like minds, they are looking after themselves, as well.
It's gonna be a long time, if ever, before the U.S, regains the level of trust and respect it had under Obama. That'll cost it. Bigly.
Dougie carlson
@Montgomery L Pownall Obama is still going and is on the left wing campaign trail . Obama added 10 trillion in 8 years.
Dougie carlson
@John Sollows all my American family is better off under Trump and that includes a lot of people. But i guess Trump hasn't helped you.
James Holden
@Dougie carlson
Trump is Trump first, second and third.
Globalism has been extremely profitable for America, far more than protectionism can ever be.
James Holden
@Dougie carlson @Montgomery L Pownall Obama is still going and is on the left wing campaign trail . Obama added 10 trillion in 8 years.
Bush's tax cuts and wars led directly to the stock market bubble and collapse necessitating massive government spending to prevent the recession from becoming full depression. Americans are enjoying the results of Obama's spending in the prosperity they feel today. Growth has slowed slightly under Trump and his round of tax cuts widely used for stock buybacks have again artificially propped up the Stock Market. Republicans don't seem to learn. Get ready for Trump's recession.
John Sollows
@Dougie carlson
Better off for now …
Is financial well-being is all that matters to you? Seems to me, ethical leadership equates to looking after your grandchildren.
Matt Thuaii
@Dougie carlson
People about to retire watching their investments grow (without really understanding why) don’t count...and they must not work in coal, or manufacturing, or any sector related to trade with Canada (lumber, construction, auto-sector)...or make less than $250000/yr...
I bet they’re all shareholders with Goldman-Sachs.
Matt Thuaii
@Dougie carlson
Righty-O. And Obama was going to invade Iran, Venezuela and several other countries before Trump saved America from WW3...and Trump has an IQ of 180...and Trump is 6’3”...has a perfect BMI...hires all the best people...is worth a billion-kajillion dollars...
...and so on...and so on.
LiAngelo Fisher
@Neil Gregory
It was the Democrats that made this current nomination process the sham it turned out to be, and Lindsey Graham was right for calling them out.
Lee Hall
@LiAngelo Fisher It was the Democrats that made this current nomination process the sham it turned out to be, and Lindsey Graham was right for calling them out. ________________________________________________________
The Democrats proposed the moderate judge Merrick Garland. Mitch McConnell and the Republicans deliberately stalled his appointment. Until they could get a clear right wing candidate.
Garland was moderate. Kavanaugh is very openly partisan right wing, , pro oligarchy, and supportive of Trump.
How in any way, is that in the American people's best interests? You should be researching this stuff, before making embarrassing claims.
"I have been following Aerican (sic) politics for several decades and have reached the conclusion that the last thing the right-wing Republicans want is a fair, impartial, and neutral supreme court"
It has been a long time since America has had a "fair, impartial, and neutral Supreme Court". And if left to this current despicable batch of Republicons, America may not see such a Supreme Court in our lifetime. Sad.
Matt Thuaii
@Mohamed Khan
The problem with the wealthy is that they have the capital to pay poor people what to think...
...and currently they’re paying the poor to think that sharing and cooperating in the interests of creating a better world for all (you know, that awful “lefty” stuff) is evil and dangerous.
Tom Barry
@Neil Gregory
"I have been following Aerican politics for several decades and have reached the conclusion that the last thing the right-wing Republicans want is a fair, impartial, and neutral supreme court"
Then you obviously know that's a two way street.
Richard Nichols
@Tom Barry
Not obvious to me. The left have never had anything like a Scalia or Thomas as judge, and Gorsuch and Kavanaugh are equal replacements. With Kennedy gone, neutrality is as well.
Tom Barry
@Richard Nichols
What Scalia and Thomas rulings support your assertion?
Dary Moed
@Neil Gregory Both parties do the same thing. They need a new system where they do not get bogged down in harmful processes.
Tom Barry
@Richard Nichols
Also,
What Kavanaugh and Gorsuch rulings support it?
James Holden
@Tom Barry
Citizens United. (Game and match.)
arthur blair
@Neil Gregory Wake up, Neil! Do you think that the Democrats want "a fair, impartial, and neutral supreme court"? US politics has no middle ground and obviously, you haven't figured it out yet.
Jamie Pike
@arthur blair
The whole American government structure is collapsing under the weight of its partisanship. It seems that one tribe would rather work with a foreign government against the other tribe instead of the two tribes working together for the benefit of all. Let's hope they are able to rescue the situation before complete disaster.
George Lewis
@Montgomery L Pownall wrote "Trump just added a Trillion to the deficit."
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Obama increased The Federal debt by 8.58 trillion in 8 years.
Left or right, U.S. Presidents have not only increased the debt substantially but at an ever increasing rate.
So deficits seem to have a sort of bi-partisan support.
& I think this pattern applies to our current & previous governments. (So we shouldn't be so smug about criticizing others)
And approaching it as if it's just a Right Wing problem or a Left Wing problem means that automatically you are going to miss addressing at least half the problem.
Maybe the problem is not with government but with voters. Because politicians try to appeal to what we want in order make it past the job interview (elections).
& they appeal to our expectations.
On the one hand we say we want the Federal debt reduced.
But whenever government tries to (seriously & effectively) reduce debt/cut spending, this or that group screams bloody murder.
This obviously isn't a new problem or unexpected. It existed well before 2016.
Looking at the debt/deficit problem through a tiny (& divisive) lens is not going to help fix the problem.
Michele McLean
@Dougie carlson
That's not what my American family members say, and the rest have relocated to Canada.
Michele McLean
@LiAngelo Fisher
What on earth are you talking about?
Where were you when the Republicans flat-out refused to allow Obama to make any appointment to the Court?
Michele McLean
@Richard Nichols
Exactly.
Americans treated Scalia like he was some kind of god, when in fact, he was hugely detrimental to democratic rights, what with his ridiculous frozen constitution beliefs.
Unfortunately, he was also very smart and pretty much single-handedly managed to manipulate the American justice system into what it is today - hardly just or democratic.
Clarence Thomas, well, let's just say that the man doesn't have the ability to be on any court, sexual proclivities aside.
Tom Barry
@cbc
No rebuttal allowed?
Fair and balanced.
James Holden
@George Lewis
Obama added to the debt for a very good reason. To keep America from going into depression and turning around the recession that Bush 43's tax cuts and wars helped drive them into. Trump gave away more than a Trillion to those that needed it least which was mostly used for share buybacks creating a bubble in the stock market that will soon burst starting the cycle over again.
Patrick Smyth
@Neil Gregory To be fair Neil, the Democrats are not any better. Political partisanship will always be the name of the game in a 2 party system.
Unfortunately, because the US has long considered itself the summit of democratic governance, it rarely has the capacity to look at itself objectively and realize that the system of governance is out dated and stagnant and has been since the early 20th century. The only tweaking of the system appears to be along partisan lines which only evokes a similar response on the other side when in power.... Bi=partisan cooperation is limited to disasters and expressions of nationalistic pride.
It's a sad state of affairs and sadly Canada is barely better because we ALSO see ourselves as "paragons of democratic virtue".....
George Lewis
@James Holden wrote "Obama added to the debt for a very good reason. To keep America from going into depression and turning around the recession that Bush 43's tax cuts and wars... "
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I think that reply proves my point about blinders, cherry picked facts & connect-the-dots theories (in order to make the picture you want to see/ confirmation bias).
It was the 2008 World Financial Crisis that caused the recession. Which had to do with the banking system & mortgage market.
But what you are talking about (tax cuts/wars) wasn't the main driving force behind that recession.
& when you criticize Harper, do you leave out that he, too, had to deal with the 2008 World financial Crisis? ( Just like many other countries, not just The U.S.)
George Lewis
@Patrick Smyth wrote "To be fair..."
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I gave you a "like" because for the most part I agreed. But as far as allowing FBI Investigations or the general assumption that someone who is open is innocent & someone who isn't open is more likely guilty...that is a stretch.
First of all, for the sake of this general discussion, there are 2 kinds of people who make false accusations.
Those who knowingly make false accusations & those that are projecting (or are delusional) & see things that aren't really there. & so they believe their false accusations are true even if they aren't. (Like when a video of an event proves the honest-but-mistaken victim "positively I.D." an innocent person.)
Secondly, if lawyers routinely do not have their client take the witness stand even when they know their client is innocent of the charge, then that tells me there is a good reason for innocent people not to allow themselves to be opened up to such scrutiny.
Once a reputation of an innocent person is ruined it practically never comes back to being as good as it once was.
James Holden
@George Lewis You conveniently cut off the quote before the words that made the statement accurate. Here it is again: Obama added to the debt for a very good reason. To keep America from going into depression and turning around the recession that Bush 43's tax cuts and wars helped drive them into. Trump gave away more than a Trillion to those that needed it least which was mostly used for share buybacks creating a bubble in the stock market that will soon burst starting the cycle over again.
Talk about cherry picking and changing what I said. Are you seriously trying to argue that the tax cut fed share buy back bubble and Bush's unfunded wars had nothing to do with the recession? The "World Financial Crisis" Started in the good 'ol USA. When the market bubble burst it spread to the world like a virus.
Harper claimed there was no crisis until well after it was obvious to everyone else.
Richard Sharp
@James Holden
Harper called the 2008 election contrary to HIS OWN EVERY 4 year election law, because he knew the crash was coming and it would be his last shot at a majority for several years. He lied about that and he lied when he promised there would be no recession or budget deficit during the 2008 election campaign.
He never apologized.
Richard Sharp
Um, those are facts, CBC. All three of them.
Joe Brebeanu
@Neil Gregory Obama begat Trump.
David Amos
@Richard Sharp "Harper called the 2008 election contrary to HIS OWN EVERY 4 year election law, because he knew the crash was coming and it would be his last shot at a majority for several years. "
I agree
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David Amos
@Richard Sharp 3 More Facts
I called you and we spoke personally on the phone within the past year and I sent you email that CBC got as well. Correct?
Every time I challenge your integrity within the CBC comments either you ignore me or my replies are blocked or erased just like yours often are. Correct?
If you or I manage to have a successful exchange within a comment thread often time the entire thread is deleted Correct?
David Amos
@Richard Sharp How dare you post facts?
David Amos
@Joe Brebeanu True
David Sampson
In a mere 2 years Trump has caused institutional damage that will take a generation to fix. Let's simply hope his tenure in the WH is short-lived.
Dougie carlson
@David Sampson if the dems get in they can get back to open borders in a couple weeks.
Stan Smith
@David Sampson Three generations
Mandel Rooney
@Dougie carlson More than 50% of the illegal immigrants in the US arrive via plane and overstay their visa. Are they going to stop letting tourists and business people arrive as well? At least they won't kidnap children from their parents. That "Family Values" for you.
Gerard Rosen
@Dougie carlson That's the problem with the GOP, they're afraid of everything.
Matt Thuaii
@David Sampson
All completely predictable...
All totally avoidable.
Jim Palmer
@David Sampson
"Late on Friday, Trump ordered the FBI to reopen its investigation into Kavanaugh over sexual misconduct allegations, but said the work must be done in less than a week"
Poor, poor little donnie; nothing he could do to stop this; must be killing him. And then, to top it off, he throws in another one of his fake deadlines ("the work must be done in less than a week"). Donnie, you have the worst 'poker face' in history; everybody and their mother knows that only you and your fellow Republicons have the 'deadlines', the biggest one being the pending elections in November when & where you will start to be 'shown the exit'
James Holden
@Dougie carlson
1/3 of all Nobel Prize winners were immigrants to America.
Dave Schulz
@Dougie carlson Why is this an left/right spat in the US an issue for a Cdn? Sounds like you're carrying Trump's water for him.
Sean McNamee
@James Holden They were mostly European, too.
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David Amos
@Dave Schulz "Why is this an left/right spat in the US an issue for a Cdn? Sounds like you're carrying Trump's water for him."
Why is CBC publishing so much on the topic and why are you commenting about another's opinion of it?
David Amos
@Dougie carlson "if the dems get in they can get back to open borders in a couple weeks."
Yea Right Methinks you overlooked the fact that Obama, Hillary and Kerry made matters over our borders even worse after Bush N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Dave Schulz "Why is this an left/right spat in the US an issue for a Cdn?"
Survey Says?
Bryan Atkinson
You'd think they'd want to be sure they're not assigning a predator to the supreme court.
But it seems for Lindsay Graham, Chuck Grassley, et al, that doesn't matter.
Mohamed Khan
@Bryan Atkinson if that was the goal why not send this info to the FBI when they were vetting the candidate in July?
Annie Martin
@Bryan Atkinson they want him seated for October to rule on Supreme Court docket "Gamble v US". It's a "separate sovereigns" exception to double jeopardy case re: people tried for federal crimes cannot be tried for that crime at the state level...Trump can pardon the lot of them and they'd have nothing to fear from State's Attorneys
Arlond Lynds
@Bryan Atkinson Kavanaugh's classmate and drinking buddy at Yale has stately that he complete;y misrepresented his drinking habits under oath. She had not problem with his drinking but a huge problem with not being truthful about it. Liz Swisher, former Yale classmate and I believe most Americans still think truthfulness matters in a Supreme Court pick, surely even in the age of Trump.
Douglas Henry
@Bryan Atkinson Of course it matters to them. They would never support a predator nominated by a President from the Democratic Party.
David Amos
@Bryan Atkinson Are you surprised?
David Amos
@Mohamed Khan Exactly
Mark Baker
kavanaugh has no one to blame but himself. Even if the accusations are left unproven - he has demonstrated that he is not fit to serve on the supreme court.
The politically charged rant he made Thursday will bring his rulings under scrutiny for the rest of his life.
While I question his morals. It is clear he is lacking in integrity. And demonstrates a quick temper.
Has the USA no one better to choose from?
mo bennett
@Mark Baker look at who picked him.
Mark Baker
@mo bennett
trump may not be stew-ped but he is reckless. The selection of kavanaugh is perhaps the most damaging thing that trump has done to date.
I feel many republican senators on the panel would agree but it is not in their purview to question the selection of the president. Simply to vet the candidate.
Americans should reflect on their choice of president and vote with more care next time.
Joe Rose
@Mark Baker "BIRDS OF A FEATHER......"
Jim Palmer
@Mark Baker
"Has the USA no one better to choose from?"
I'm sure that they do, but this one is a firm believer that POTUS is 'above the law', and we all know what Trump thinks about that, thus rendering the qualities of any other candidates moot !
Doug James
@Mark Baker
Yep, two weeks of death treats to his family, media circus of unprovable accusations, and a constant attack on his character have proven that he lacks patience. The 7 previous FBI investigations so he could obtain the highest level of security clearance means nothing. The FBI must be wrong...7 times. The hundreds of letters from past co-workers and friends also mean nothing. A lesser man would have broken. Could you have handled it?
James Holden
@Doug James
6 perfunctory background checks and he did not receive the 'highest level' of security clearance. The one letter signed by many supporters (some of whom have since recanted.) The extreme reluctance to let the FBI investigate the new information. The death threats to Ford were so credible and graphic that she was forced out of her home before even agreeing to testify. She handled it far better than he did. He looked pretty broken up that his past was coming back to haunt him.
Mark Baker
@Doug James
If he wants the job he has to complete the process. If he thought a SC seat would be easy he was naive.
Dr. Ford on the other hand has nothing to gain and has experienced more backlash.
I know who deserves sympathy and it's not kavanaugh .
John Sollows
@Mark Baker
"Has the USA no one better to choose from?"
The USA does.
Trump doesn't.
Carson Brook
@Mark Baker
it isn't just that Kavanaugh's whole rant is politically charged, lacks ethics, and is just plain mean.................. it's also how just plain crazy and incoherent he is WHJILE being mean, unethical, quick to rage, and fully partisan in the worst ways...... it's the baseline of crazy that tips him over the edge of not being suitable to be the janitor in the local town hall.even
James Holden
@Carson Brook
You forgot to mention that he also perjured himself under oath.
David Amos
@Doug James Good luck arguing left wingnuts within CBC
David Amos
@Doug James Who got more votes in the election last week me or you?
Lee Hall
Not only does Kavanaugh appear highly partisan, but he seems very bitter towards the left. Like he would want to pursue revenge or vendettas. (What province do we see that now?)
That is ridiculous.
He needed to appear calm and professional. He could never be partial, given his attitude.
Trump gave him *very* bad advice suggesting he appear combative.
Jackson Thomson
@Lee Hall
Exactly. To be a judge, once must appear to be logical and non emotional.
He is not applying for an acting job.
Lee Hall
@Jackson Thomson <--- aggressive="" br="" combative="" fact.="" highly="" i="" in="" into="" kavanaugh="" pressured="" seemed="" stance.="" the="" think="" trump="" unnatural="" using="" very=""> People have come to expect that offensive, ignorant style from Trump. When others do it, it comes across as highly insulting.--->
Montgomery L Pownall
@Lee Hall I agree, bad coaching by team Trump. Rumour has it, when he was in the three day prep, of an innocent man, he was getting angry under the practice questioning, so imo..they may have switched strategy to go the upset root, and he got caught up in the moment and went off script, hence the Clinton Revenge conspiracy comment...
Jennifer McIsaac
@Lee Hall
When Trump does it, it also comes across as insulting.
Lee Hall
@Jennifer McIsaac <--- absolutely.="" p="">--->
Andrew Hebda (NS)
@Lee Hall
If Kavanaugh did indeed heed the advice of the POTUS... in that very action he has shown that he can be manipulated... for political purposes... an automatic disqualification, IMHO
Dave Schulz
@Lee Hall So what province do we see wanting "to pursue revenge or vendettas"?
Doug James
@Lee Hall
Want a machine on the supreme court? The man, his family, and his reputation have been viciously attacked. Should he offer no deference? I prefer a person with passion.
Michele McLean
@Lee Hall
But the question is, why would this supposedly learned fellow take advice from Trump at all?
That, to me, is the hallmark of his partisanism - which should never be allowed in the court system, let alone on the Supreme Court.
Michele McLean
@Doug James
Passion over reason the the Supreme Court?
You may as well fill it with Trump clones.
Absolutely ridiculous.
Lee Hall
@Michele McLean <--- 11="" advice="" and="" back.="" bad="" believed="" br="" committee="" from="" had="" heavily="" him.="" in="" kavanaugh="" likely="" male="" mostly="" naively="" pressured="" reassuring="" regarding="" republicans="" s="" senate="" taking="" that="" the="" trump:="" trump="" white="" words.=""> Kavanaugh would not be the first (or last) manipulated by Trump's dubious (and myopic) advice.--->
William Myles
@Doug James You realize the number one requirement to serve as a judge, at any level, and especially at the highest level, is to be dispassionate - it's the fundamental basis of a court, any court.
Showing volatile anger and being full of open passion, is everything a judge should not be. He doesn't get it.
Joe Renaud
@Doug James
Right - just what you would want from a judge - to be passionate. Pretty sure you would not want to be in front of a judge whose moral or political outrage could cause him to overlook your innocence.
David Amos
@Doug James Me Too
David Amos
@Joe Renaud Methinks you should ask me about all the Canadian and Yankee judges I have encountered since 2002 N'esy Pas?
Samuel Porter
Even if he's not guilty of the allegations, which I believe he is, he seems like a very angry, conceited man, and it is scary to think he is even a judge right now.
Alex Munter
@Samuel Porter
How would you feel if out of the blue you were accused of inappropriate interactions 36 later
John Smith
@Alex Munter Call for an independent investigation to clear my name? Oh, wait.....
Joe Renaud
@Alex Munter
No one seems to have a hard time with men who come out alleging inappropriate actions of the catholic clergy 30 or 40 years later. Why the double standard?
David Amos
@Joe Renaud "No one seems to have a hard time with men who come out alleging inappropriate actions of the catholic clergy 30 or 40 years later."
Perhaps you should scroll down to page 134 of this old file of mine to check the Court Date Stamp then Google Cardinal Bernard Law and see where he went the very next day.
If you do why not give the FBI a call and tell them I said Hey EH?
Lee Hall
Both parties play political games.
Moderate judge Merrick Garland and Obama certainly got the shaft from Mitch McConnell with his delay tactics.
Obama went out of his way, to get Republican support for Garland.
James Holden
@Lee Hall You don't have to convince me that universal healthcare is the way to go but you must admit that Democrats are the lesser evil. The first step to getting corporate money out of US politics is to put a centrist or left leaner into the Supreme Court and overturn the Citizens United 5/4 ruling. It is something to be worked toward. It won't be easy or quick. In 2016 the US spent $10,348 US per person on healthcare. Canada spent $4,752 US per person. Canada's life expectancy is higher. Canada has better outcomes for patients. Canada spent 10.44% of GDP on healthcare in 2015. The US spent 16.84% of GDP on healthcare in 2015. Us GDP in 2015 was $18.04Trillion The difference to the US if they spent the same per capita on healthcare would be $1.15456Trillion per year in 2015. It would be more now but not that much more. It looks like the Koch brothers don't want as they tag savings at only $200 Billion per year.
Lee Hall
@James Holden <--- and="" anti-establishment="" as="" being="" br="" candidate.="" clinton="" establishment="" is="" led="" populist="" quo="" seen="" status="" the="" to="" trump="" what=""> Both parties are broken, as there is very weak representation for the left and average people.
If the Democrat Party was showing indicators they were open to progressive politics, I would be enthused. However, the corporate Democrats work harder to defeat Sander's movement than Trump. The Democrats and Republicans don't want to break up their duopoly, as their monopoly on politics (and wealthy donors) makes them very rich.
If progressive politics, that genuinely helps the people, makes a breakthrough. Then yes, I would endorse the Democrat Party. The Republicans meanwhile, are the enemy of average Americans. They are the party of the 1% and the oligarchy.--->
David Amos
@Lee Hall Every time I see a Canadian sing Clinton's praises I see red recalling tainted blood issues.
Methinks many liberals know why I ran in FUNDY again in the election last week and why I reminded folks of this story which appeared in the Kings County Record June 22, 2004 N'esy Pas?
The Unconventional Candidate
By Gisele McKnight
"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."
Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos. The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from running for office in Canada."
"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."
"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.
"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window.
NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico."
David Amos
@Lee Hall Arguing about Health Care and Clinton is enough to make any Proud Canadian's blood boil if they recall tainted blood issues.
Jeffrey Wayne
Kavanaugh certainly showed he political bias, and refused to ask for an investigation to clear his name..
I don't think he passed the job interview for the top court.
John Sollows
@Jeffrey Wayne
Except for the level of bias in the folks making the decision.
Carol Becker
@Jeffrey Wayne He will get the job because Trump wants him in the job. If the FBI finds anything that should put Kavanaugh out of the running, Trump will justify keeping him. The Republicans will vote in favour. A midterm election is coming and it looks like the Republicans will lose their majority so this is the last chance to stick it to the Democrats. It is all political on both sides.
Andrew Hebda (NS)
@Jeffrey Wayne
In this country, Supreme Court Judges have been examples of a broader spectrum of backgrounds and of opinions (regardless of government in power). As well they are among the few in this country who lose their right to Vote (in Federal elections) - to minimize further bias... a more mature approach (regardless of the accusations of "unelected lawyers overruling politicians made on this forum)
David Amos
@Andrew Hebda (NS) "(regardless of the accusations of "unelected lawyers overruling politicians made on this forum)"
Methinks you should Google the following N'esy Pas?
chief justice beverley mclachlin david amos
Robin Trower
To me, the worst part is that his rant was scripted. You can see him turning the pages as he spoke.
Layton Bennett
@Robin Trower Bingo!
Mandel Rooney
@Robin Trower Yeah, the fact that he planned to blame the Democrats and the Clintons, wrote it down, and said "nailed it" is a little scary. But to be clear, this was written to appease Trump. He had to keep Trump happy, or Trump could have pulled the nomination.
mo bennett
@Robin Trower that's exactly why he spent days at the white house getting prep'd by 45 on what to say.
Jim Palmer
@Robin Trower
"To me, the worst part is that his rant was scripted. You can see him turning the pages as he spoke" Mind boggling indeed; just imagine how much worse it could have been if he had decided to 'do a donnie' and jumped off script to speak from his 'heart' ! Scary.
Michele McLean
@Robin Trower
Which just makes it that much worse.
Anyone can say something stupid off the cuff.
But to have it scripted and still not recognize how stupid it is?
He's not impartial and he's really not smart enough to be on the Supreme Court either.
David Amos
@Robin Trower Good Point
Brett Kavanaugh exposed his political grudges — now faith in a neutral Supreme Court may be lost for decades
Future of court's impartiality in doubt as judge shows flashes of 'loathing' for Democrats, legal experts say
Matt Kwong· CBC·
U.S. Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh testifies before a Senate judiciary committee hearing on Capitol Hill in Washington on Sept. 27, 2018. (Jim Bourg/Reuters)
In defending his name in an emotional and combative Senate hearing this week, U.S. Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh laid bare his partisan resentments — the kind of bitter tribalism that legal scholars warn could tarnish Americans' trust and faith in the top court's impartiality for generations.
"This whole two-week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit, fuelled with apparent pent-up anger about President Trump and the 2016 election," Kavanaugh said, fuming at Democratic members of the Senate judiciary committee on Thursday.
A day later, that 21-member committee voted along partisan lines to ultimately recommend that Donald Trump's nominee be sent to the highest court in the land. (Though Republican swing vote Sen. Jeff Flake made his nod contingent on an FBI probe into the attempted-rape allegations Kavanaugh is facing.)
In spite of it all, the accomplished judge and accused sexual assaulter stands a strong chance of getting a lifetime promotion to the ostensibly apolitical Supreme Court.
Thursday's hearings before the Senate judiciary committee examined the veracity of Christine Blasey Ford's allegations that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her at a Maryland house party when they were both teenagers in 1982.
The National
Republicans delay Kavanaugh vote after Jeff Flake wavers
00:0008:01
Sen. Jeff Flake initially announced he would vote to advance Brett Kavanaugh's Supreme Court nomination — but, after being confronted by protesters, requested an FBI investigation into Kavanaugh's background. 8:01
Trump called Ford "credible" after she testified against his Supreme Court pick, as Kavanaugh forcefully disputed the allegations during his testimony, calling it a political hit job.
He blamed "revenge on behalf of the Clintons" over his prior role in the Ken Starr investigation into then-President Bill Clinton, as well as "millions of dollars in money from outside left-wing opposition groups," for conspiring to sink his nomination.
'Short-term consideration'
Sheldon Goldman was floored by what he heard. The Supreme Court expert with the University of Massachusetts Amherst saw Kavanaugh's aggressive style as a direct appeal to the party of Trump.
"The support of the president, that's the name of the game," Goldman said. "It's short-term consideration to keep the support of the Republicans or the president, at the expense of public perception of him and of the court."
Except that public perception is vital for the sanctity of a neutral Supreme Court, he said.
"It matters to the extent that people will want to accept the court's ruling as legitimate," Goldman said.
"And if the court is considered simply another political body, people are going to ask: Why should we insulate these lifetime appointments from politics when they're so heavily involved in politics?"
Sen. Jeff Flake, of Arizona, is considered the swing Republican vote on the Senate judiciary committee. On Friday, Flake was confronted by two women who implored him to change his mind about voting in support of Brett Kavanaugh. Flake voted in support of Kavanaugh, but on the condition of an FBI investigation. (Pablo Martinez Monsivais/Associated Press)
The Supreme Court's justices don't have the same legitimacy as elected officials. Nor does the top U.S. court have the power to enforce judgments, relying instead on the public's will to comply with its mandates and faith that its wisdom is nonpartisan.
"But Kavanaugh's testimony attests to the fact that he's not impartial," said Carl Tobias, a law professor at the University of Richmond. "You can think of lots of cases — campaign finance cases — that can come before the court, that you might wonder: Will he prejudge those issues? Will he recuse himself?"
Trump on Friday ordered the Federal Bureau of Investigations to conduct a "supplemental investigation" on Kavanaugh, which he said "must be limited in scope and completed in less than one week."
Barring some inconsistencies or lies that might be dug up by the FBI, Kavanaugh could be confirmed in a vote in a week's time. Republicans appear to have the votes to advance the nomination for now, though four key senators — Republicans Jeff Flake, Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski, and Democrat Joe Manchin — supported a delay on a full floor vote.
Questions about temperament
Tobias believes the past week should give senators more misgivings about Kavanaugh's fitness to serve on the court, due to his unsubstantiated charges in his testimony about Clinton "revenge" and "left-wing" money.
"One of the important criteria [for a Supreme Court nominee] is judicial temperament," he said. "Unfortunately, this suggests he's partisan and very political."
CBC News
Key moments from Ford and Kavanaugh testimony
00:0015:33
Watch the highlights from Christine Blasey Ford and Brett Kavanaugh's emotional testimonies. 15:33
Kavanaugh seemed to understand the gravity of being viewed as impartial during one of his hearings earlier this month, which took place before three women publicly accused him of sexual misconduct.
"A good judge must be an umpire — a neutral and impartial arbiter who favours no litigant or policy," he said at the time.
Judges, he said, ought to be above politics. "We stay out of it."
The Supreme Court's neutrality has been called into question before. Individual justices are known to lean liberal or conservative. Arch-conservative Justice Clarence Thomas survived his confirmation process in 1991 when Anita Hill accused the then-nominee of sexual harassment.
Thomas, at the time, slammed the process as "a high-tech lynching."
University of Oklahoma law professor Anita Hill testifies before the Senate judiciary committee in this Oct. 11, 1991 file photo ahead of the nomination of Clarence Thomas to the U.S. Supreme Court. (Associated Press)
But former Senate judiciary committee staffer Victoria Bassetti said she had never heard anything like Kavanaugh's partisan screed during his opening testimony on Thursday.
"Have you ever seen a justice — any judge — just literally light into an entire group of people and accuse them like that?" she said. "What he was demonstrating was deep-seated, transcendent, permanent, hard-to-knock-down loathing. Loathing of a group of people."
No recusal rules
It troubles Bassetti, who wonders whether Kavanaugh could, in good faith, rule on any piece of legislation authored by a Democratic senator.
"How is he going to react to something from [California Democrat] Kamala Harris that comes before the court a few years from now?" Bassetti asked. "Or how can Sen. Richard Blumenthal file an amicus brief? How is Kavanaugh going to process that?"
CBC News
'You're prepared for an FBI investigation?'
00:0005:30
Sen. Dick Durbin asks Kavanaugh repeatedly if he thinks an FBI investigation should be held. 5:30
The Supreme Court has no recusal rules, with every justice being their own determiner of their own propensity for introducing bias in certain cases. Justices have in the past recused themselves in cases where a good friend is arguing before the court, Bassetti noted.
"Doesn't it make sense, then, that you should recuse yourself if you loathe someone with the fire of a thousand suns?"
The nine-member Supreme Court doesn't have the power to enforce judgments, relying instead on the public's will to comply with its mandates. Brett Kavanaugh has been nominated to replace Anthony Kennedy, seated, second from left, after he announced his retirement. (Jonathan Ernst/Reuters)
Presuming he is confirmed and manages "to work through his feelings and come to a place of peace," Bassetti said public perception will remain an obstacle.
"Will the public ever be fully confident that's what he's managed to do? Because at the end of the day, the force and moral authority of the Supreme Court depends upon the faith of the people."
Without faith that the Supreme Court can make decisions in a dispassionate and honest way, Bassetti fears the worst for the institution. "It will slowly degrade, and ultimately even demolish the rule of law," she said.
If confirmed, Kavanaugh could rule for decades on the most important American court cases. And Bassetti expects women will remember the accusations levelled against him for a long time one way or another.
"I was in law school when the Anita Hill hearings happened. And I've never forgotten."
About the Author
Matt Kwong
Reporter
Matt Kwong is a Washington-based correspondent for CBC News. He previously reported for CBC News as an online journalist in New York and Toronto. You can follow him on Twitter at: @matt_kwong
Methinks the LIEbranos and their nasty spin doctors within CBC are expecting a similar outcome to the election in Quebec tomorrow as the results in New Brunswick last week N'esy Pas?
Ahead of Quebec's election, polls indicate François Legault's CAQ is close to winning a majority
CAQ holds narrow lead over incumbent Liberals, but edge among francophones could be decisive
Éric Grenier· CBC News·
Coalition Avenir Québec Leader François Legault is on track to win the most seats in Monday's provincial election. (Ryan Remiorz/Canadian Press)
779 Comments
Jonathan Murphy
Canadians have woken up to the failure of liberalism everywhere. Provincial liberal governments are falling across the country because people are fed up with fiscal mismanagement, lecturing and virtue signalling. Hopefully the federal liberal government are sent packing next fall and Mr. Trudeau can simply return to his inherited millions and not do any more damage to this country.
David Amos
@Jonathan Murphy I agree to a point.
Methinks I would like to see the outcome in this election in Quebec and the federal one next year yield minority governments with polling results just like what the folks in New Brunswick were treated to last week. Maybe then we would finally get the governments we deserve N'esy Pas?
steve martin
The Exorcism of liberals province by province is sure fun to watch
David Amos
@steve martin Welcome to the Circus
ralph jacobs
I think the present Liberal government has turned a lot of Canadians off the Liberal party.
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@ralph jacobs Methinks Harper 2.0 and his old buddy Maxime love to read such things posted in CBC. However its rather strange that your comment was not disabled N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@ralph jacobs I agree
Rob Preston
Get rid of the liberals Quebec and be proud again.
David Amos
@Rob Preston Who said they were not?
Roger Jerome
Trudeau owns liberal failure
David Amos
@Roger Jerome Nope Methinks his puppet masters do After all he is just following their orders N'esy Pas?
Terry R Avante
Bye bye liberals. Coast to coast there is a cleansing taking place. The feds will be next. The root of division in Canada, the party that attends trade demanding gender equality as 73% of our export is for goods and services not values. The party that has its face in every facet of Canadian’s lives. How much tax dollars are now being funnelled into Quebec in an effort to prop up the liberal party there? Time for a federal cleansing.
Ken Douglas
@Terry R Avante Yes, a year and a half ago the BC Liberals were toppled after taking a $5M bribe to approve the TMX expansion. Not $5M to the province, $5M to the party.....the party so far right they almost fell off.
David Amos
@Ken Douglas Methinks a liberal or a conservative by any other name would smell as corrupt N'esy Pas?
David Kane
The only one who truly loves Trudeau , is Trudeau ,...….seems the votes lately show that , but the media tries to spin everyone loves the narcissist
Robbie Adams
@David Kane ..""""The only one who truly loves Trudeau , is Trudeau ,""
I'm sure his wife and kids love him
Reid Fleming
@Robbie Adams Is not being seen in the public eye together for many months an expression of love, or something else? Justin seems to be flying solo these days...
David Amos
@David Kane "everyone loves the narcissist"
Of course just the dude many Yankees call "The Donald"
mo bennett
all aboard justin's gravy train boys! well, for a year and a couple of weeks anyway.
Content disabled. David Amos
@mo bennett I will lay odds you are already on board and have your belly against the the pork barrel N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@mo bennett YO MO Methinks its not fair that you can tease me but I can't do the same to you N'esy Pas?
Ernie Zimmerman
Soon to be another liberal party gone in Canada. The trudeau liberal government is next. Goodbye liberals.
steve curtis
@Ernie Zimmerman Can't be soon enough!
Ernie Zimmerman
@steve curtis I agree.
David Amos
@Ernie Zimmerman Me Too
Dave MacDonald
This is historic.The most left wing province in Canada is about to elect a right wing government .
Stanley Baird
@Dave MacDonald workers finally looked at their bank accounts.
David Amos
@Dave MacDonald Methinks that is a telling thing N'esy Pas?
Ahead of Quebec's election, polls indicate François Legault's CAQ is close to winning a majority
CAQ holds narrow lead over incumbent Liberals, but edge among francophones could be decisive
Éric Grenier· CBC News·
Coalition Avenir Québec Leader François Legault is on track to win the most seats in Monday's provincial election. (Ryan Remiorz/Canadian Press)
When Quebec's election campaign began 38 days ago, Coalition Avenir Québec Leader François Legault was the favourite to win a majority government. A few gaffes and ill-defined policy proposals later, Legault's odds of securing that majority have dropped to no better than a coin-toss.
But if he has a little luck on his side, the ingredients are there for the centre-right CAQ to reach the 63-seat mark necessary to control Quebec's National Assembly — despite his party enjoying the support of less than one-in-three Quebecers.
The CBC Quebec Poll Tracker, an aggregation of all publicly released polling data, suggests that the CAQ sits at 31.8 per cent support. That puts it narrowly ahead of Philippe Couillard's Liberals, who have 30.1 per cent support.
That's a much narrower margin than the eight-point lead the CAQ held over the Liberals early in the campaign. But it isn't Couillard nor Jean-François Lisée and the Parti Québécois, which stands at 18.8 per cent support, who have been most responsible for the CAQ's slide in the polls.
Instead, Manon Massé's left-wing Québec Solidaire has had the momentum over the last few weeks.
The party, which captured just 7.6 per cent of the vote in the 2014 provincial election, is now averaging 16.3 per cent in the polls.
That indicates the stability there has been in the numbers. The CAQ has registered between 29 and 32 per cent support in nine consecutive polls, though the latest results all suggest a modest rebound at the expense of the PQ. The last six polls have put the Liberals between 29 and 31 per cent. There are still, however, a lot of unknowns going into Monday's election.
Their range of seats runs from 48 to 81, a wide band suggesting plenty of close contests throughout the province — some of them involving all four major parties.
The Liberals are estimated to have about a one-in-12 chance of winning the most seats, a result of their historically low support among francophones. The party is projected to win between 29 and 55 seats — well short of the majority threshold. But there is enough overlap with the CAQ that the Liberals could emerge with more seats, particularly if their support is underestimated in the polls.
The Parti Québécois is at risk of losing official party status in the National Assembly, which requires at least 12 seats or 20 per cent of the popular vote. The polls suggest the party may fall short of the latter, while the projection model puts them at 11 seats. However, they are involved in many tight races — trailing the CAQ by five points or less in seven ridings according to the Poll Tracker — so a small bump at the ballot box could make a big difference.
Parti Québécois Leader Jean-François Lisée is running third place in the polls. (Paul Chiasson/Canadian Press)
As for Québec Solidaire, which held only three seats at dissolution, the party could double or even triple its representation in the National Assembly. The model awards the party nine seats — as many as six on the island of Montreal, its traditional base of support, but also one in Quebec City and two in the rest of the province — but sees a potential for even more upsets if the party's momentum continues through to Monday.
But QS could easily fall short of this target, as the party is strongest among young voters, who historically have a low turnout rate.
Legault holds decisive lead among francophones
No party in Quebec has won a majority government with less than 38 per cent of the vote, making the coin-toss odds for a CAQ victory at under 32 per cent a historical anomaly.
But the CAQ has a number of decisive advantages over its rivals. The most important is its support among francophones, estimated to be 37 per cent by the Poll Tracker. That gives the CAQ a 14-point lead over the PQ, which sits at just 23 per cent support. Québec Solidaire is tied with the Liberals at 19 per cent.
Québec Solidaire co-spokesperson Manon Massé could lead her party to a breakthrough off the island of Montreal. (Paul Chiasson/Canadian Press)
Francophones make up about two-thirds or more of the population in 100 of Quebec's 125 ridings, so the CAQ's wide lead among this demographic gives them a key edge in their potential seat count.
Regionally, it translates into commanding leads in the Quebec City region and the suburbs around the island of Montreal, and in the rest of the province outside of the two major urban centres.
Only in Montreal do the Liberals hold a lead, thanks to their dominance among non-francophones. The CAQ is about 30 points behind the Liberals on the island, suggesting they may struggle to win their first seat there. But there is little additional ground in Montreal for the Liberals to gain.
Majority, minority, red or blue?
Put together, the numbers suggest that the CAQ is very likely to win the most seats and has a good chance of squeaking by with a majority government. Those chances will improve if the Parti Québécois, floundering in the final week, continues to bleed support to the CAQ.
The CAQ would also benefit even if the PQ loses voters to QS instead, as the CAQ and QS are not competing for many ridings, whereas the CAQ and the PQ are.
Quebec Liberal Leader Philippe Couillard hasn't been able to make significant gains for his party in this campaign. (Jacques Boissinot/Canadian Press)
But all is not lost for the Liberals. They have a historical tendency to out-perform their polls. That may not happen in this election — particularly since the possibility of a referendum on Quebec independence, an issue that has helped drive undecided voters to the Liberals, has been taken off the table by the PQ. But in 2012, the Liberals were on track for a third-place showing. Instead, they emerged just four seats and less than one percentage point short of the Parti Québécois.
That was a different campaign, however, with three parties splitting the vote between them almost equally. That is not the case in 2018, with the PQ on track for its worst showing and QS changing the electoral landscape in the province.
The margin between the CAQ and the Liberals looks close. It could end up that way on Monday. But there is very good reason to believe that Legault, after failing to deliver in his last two campaigns as leader, is finally on track to win.
Join us tonight at 6 p.m. ET for a live election Q&A with our political and polling experts Jonathan Montpetit and Éric Grenier on our Facebook page.
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Éric Grenier
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Éric Grenier is a senior writer and the CBC's polls analyst. He was the founder of ThreeHundredEight.com and has written for The Globe and Mail, Huffington Post Canada, The Hill Times, Le Devoir, and L’actualité.
Political twists mean the Quebec election is now too close to call
CBC Radio·
Liberal leader Philippe Couillard, left to right, PQ leader Jean-François Lisée, CAQ leader Francois Legault and Quebec Solidaire leader Manon Massé shake hands before their English debate Monday, September 17, 2018 in Montreal, Que. (THE CANADIAN PRESS)
The outcome of Quebec's Oct. 1 election is still far from certain.
About six weeks ago, polls showed Liberal Premier Philippe Couillard was destined to lose to François Legault, leader of the Coalition Avenir Québec. But the tide has turned during the campaign.
The Liberals and the CAQ are now neck-and-neck. If either wins a minority of seats, the other parties in contention will hold the balance of power: the Parti Québecois, led by Jean-François Lisée or Québec Solidaire, co-founded by Manon Massé.
The PQ used to be one of the two leading parties in the province, but it has lost significant ground during this election.
"That is the party that is self-destroying in front of our eyes, that is the true drama of what's going on here," journalist and filmmaker Francine Pelletier told The Sunday Edition's host Michael Enright.
"Will the Parti Québecois be, essentially, a shadow of itself as of October second?"
Lise Ravary, a columnist for The Montreal Gazette and Le Journal de Montréal, has covered many provincial elections, but none quite like this one.
Weeks ago, CAQ Leader Francois Legault had a significant lead in the polls. But the tide has turned during the campaign. (THE CANADIAN PRESS)
"We have four parties competing and all four of them, in one way or another, are contenders," she said.
According to Pelletier, the usual tension of federalism versus separatism has been replaced with a left-right split in this election, with two parties on either side of the divide.
"If you compare the CAQ with the Liberals, there's hardly any difference. Even though François Legault is more to the right of Philippe Couillard, he is no Donald Trump, he's not even a Doug Ford," she said. "The one question this election poses is 'Whither the left?'"
Immigration and identity politics were not as dominant an issue during the campaign as many expected they would be. The CAQ advocated for reduced immigration levels, compulsory courses in French and a mandatory Quebec "values test" for newcomers.
"But it wasn't the emotional issue we lived through when we went through the 'reasonable accommodation' debate," said Ravary. (In 2008, two commissioners in Quebec held months of public hearings on the impact of religious accommodation on Quebec's identity and values.)
Both women predict the CAQ will win the upcoming election. Ravary forecasts a majority government, while Pelletier believes the party will have a minority of seats and will have to form a coalition.
Click 'listen' above to hear the interview.
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Robert Edward Cox
Do I need this opinion in this story about "neck and neck" to form my decision on how to vote? Is this a useful piece of information? Or does it cloud the decision a person would make with a fanciful interpretation of reality? I already voted, in order to skip the last-minute hysteria in the media - and it's a secret ballot, which I won't be revealing, so that "polls" cannot be accurate if people don't proclaim their choices.
Ballots to bounty: People's Alliance poised to receive up to $700K
Election of 3 MLAs means abrupt end to shoestring budget, enabling party to pursue its work full-time
Robert Jones· CBC News· Posted: Oct 01, 2018 2:16 PM AT
169 Comments
Henry Moody
It's really too bad the Francophone radicals have tainted what could/can be the best thing for NB politics in 50+ years. The PANB work(ed) extremely hard, and their dedication was tireless. It's inspiring if you choose to look at their success from the proper perspective.
herbie harris
@Henry Moody What perspective henry.. fear.. lies... which one would you choose.. oh yes they promised no front license plate should be a huge savings!!
Joseph Vacher
@herbie harris ending the fact that people are dying waiting for ambulances that speak 2 languages?
Marc Martin
@Henry Moody
There is no radical French, there is only anti-French groups.
Marc Martin
@Joseph Vacher
Who died ? Please lets see the facts ?
Joseph Vacher
@Marc Martin lol what about the acadian society?
Marc Martin
@Joseph Vacher What Acadian societe that doesnt even exist...By the way you dont see any Francophone do ralys against the English now do ya ?
kelly sherrard
@Joseph Vacher and what about SANB???
David Amos
@Marc Martin Why would you complain we gave you all the great jobs N'esy Pas?
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. I know of one radical French person.
David Amos
@Bernard McIntyre Methinkks he is worried about keeping his fancy government job if the PCs take over N'esy Pas?
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin, Mr. David Harvey Do you not read the newspapers or watch the news on tv
Pierre LaRoches
@Marc Martin come on Marc, the SANB is virulently anti-english, it is shameful to me that it exists in this day and age.
Marc Martin
@kelly sherrard
Please show me where SANB mentioned they wanted to remove English rights ?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
You did not give me anything Dave, but im pretty sure your enjoying my monthly cheque.
Marc Martin
@David Amos
I have a government job ?
Marc Martin
@Pierre LaRoches
Show me where they want to remove English rights compared to PANB, CoR or ARANB ? Show me ?
David Amos
@Marc Martin I called you remember?
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David Amos
@Marc Martin "im pretty sure your enjoying my monthly cheque"
LIAR
David Amos
@Marc Martin Libel people much?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
You called me ? LOL
Who do I work for Davis ?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
So angry....
David Amos
@Marc Martin Mr Gallant BTW Its Mr Amos to yoo
Matt Steele
It is only fair that the PANB receive the money . The Green Party only had one MLA after the 2014 election , and was given official party status , and the extra money ; so the PANB should receive official party status as well with three MLAs . Fair is fair . It would be interesting to know how much govt. funding the Acadian Society has received from Govt. over the years ?
SarahRose Werner
@Matt Steele - If we're going to question the Acadian Society's sources of funding, then we should also do so for the Anglophone Society of New Brunswick. They're two sides of the same coin.
Henry Moody
@SarahRose Werner Only minority language groups are eligible for funding.
Joseph Vacher
@SarahRose Werner Anglophone Society of New Brunswick? does such a thing even exist?
Fred Brewer
@Matt Steele Rights to Information documents verify from Jan. 1st, 2014 to March 31st, 2015 the French-related organizations in NB received from Canadian Heritage over $126 million dollars.
Marc Martin
@Fred Brewer
And so did the English culture, by the way do you know who is Canadian Heritage ? Its a Federal department that funds anything related to culture, this means museum like the one in Fredericton. Educate yourself.
kelly sherrard
@Marc Martin educate yourself
David Amos
@Marc Martin New Brunswick has a Heritage Minister too Methinks that you did not know that some us celebrate a history that is not British or French N'esy Pas?
Its all you can say, you have no fact to prove me wrong :)
Marc Martin
@David Amos
But isn't that what you wanted Davis?
David Amos
@Marc Martin You know who I am why paly dumb?
Fred Brewer
I am happy to see the Greens and PA enjoy the fruits of their hard work. Diversity is a good thing for democracy.
SarahRose Werner
@Fred Brewer - I agree. However, I expect that when after the second election we almost certainly have coming up, at least some of those fruits will vanish as voters hold their noses and vote for whichever one of the two larger parties they find less repugnant.
Fred Brewer
@SarahRose Werner
I respectfully disagree. I think in the next election you will see more seats for the Greens and for the PA and less for the Libs and Cons. The voters are getting sick and tired of the same old same old with successive red/blue governments.
cheryl wright
@Fred Brewer especially the way that both gallant and higgs have handled themselves during this election/post election
Tony Chamberlain
@SarahRose Werner I can see the 3rd parties get more votes next time around. There are several reasons I'll let you figure it out.
David Amos
@Fred Brewer "The voters are getting sick and tired of the same old same old with successive red/blue governments."
I would not bet against your opinion
Colin Seeley
Ambulances .
School busses.
Get it done !
Eom!
David Amos
@Colin Seeley What about our debt and Health Care etc etc etc?
Dan Armitage
Congratulations to PANB and the GREENS. Remember were your votes came from and don't sell out to the other parties. they voted for your party and not your party to make bad deals with the devil that thinks thier governing now.
David Amos
@Dan Armitage "Remember were your votes came from and don't sell out to the other parties."
Methinks they are already making deals with the devils N'esy Pas?
Marc LeBlanc
Two words...Proportional representation
Joseph Vacher
@Marc LeBlanc that would be great, francophone NB is disproportionately represented
Tony Chamberlain
@Joseph Vacher Yea good idea if you do the math peoples alliance would get more seats.
Marc LeBlanc
@Joseph Vacher Under PR the Greens and PA would have gotten 6 seats each...careful what you wish for.
Marc Martin
@Joseph Vacher Do you honestly belive that only francophones voted Liberal ?
kelly sherrard
@Marc LeBlanc the problem in this province is that there are people in this province who vote the same way every election, regardless of how that party plans to govern or how their decisions affect their way of life and financial status. There are people who have voted that haven't read a newspaper article or watched the news to see what is going on in the province, yet ignorantly vote to reelect a government that ignores the needs to certain groups of people.
David Amos
@Marc Martin At least as many francophones voted for PANB and the PCs N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
LOL, show me the people who voted French compared to the ones who voted for the Cons lol, PANB didn't even have a riding in the French areas...oh you didn't know that Davib ?
Jeff LeBlanc
I'm Acadian, still voted for PA. Would and will do it again.
Robert Thibodeau
@Jeff LeBlanc A uninformed Acadian.
Jeff LeBlanc
@Robert Thibodeau it's "an" uninformed Acadian but thanks for playing!
David Amos
@Jeff LeBlanc it is a democracy
Marc Martin
@Jeff LeBlanc
A wanna be Acadian.
David Amos
@Marc Martin So says a Quebecer
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Im not from Quebec, not all French people come from Quebec Davis.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Who do you think you are fooling Paul Martin?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Your making no sense...Who is Paul Martin ?
How many people voted for you Davis?
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks not as many who voted for the liberal boss when we both ran in the Elections of the 38th and 39th Parliaments N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
@Jeff LeBlanc, parles-tu français?
kelly sherrard
People need to stop and listen to the message of PANB and not listen to the misinformation that is being spread about the group. It is only fair. It is in the newspapers that Acadian groups are trying to blacken this groups name and create suspicion but yet they can't adequately defend themselves with examples. There must be message that people are responding to or they wouldn't have elected 3 MLAs in this election. The Liberals don't like them because they have stolen seats. This is the future folks, take it or leave it. People are getting tired of the political parties that have their own mandate and don't listen to the voters.
Marc Martin
@kelly sherrard The facts are there, Kris Austin was avery anti-french raly in NB , he also refused any interview from the French media..These are facts no one can deny.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Cry me a river
Pierre LaRoches
@Marc Martin No one in their right mind should talk to so called French media. They intentionally translate to shape the story and make people look good or bad based on what the paper wants to support. They aren't real journalists.
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Who pulled on your chain today David?
Marc Martin
@Pierre LaRoches
Loose the fake name l....
David Amos
@Marc Martin "Who pulled on your chain today David?"
YOU
Marc Martin
@David Amos
And you barked :)
David Amos
@Marc Martin Naw I will bark at your boss
David Amos
@David Amos Services de traduction N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Who is my boss ?
David Amos
@Marc Martin Mr Gallant
David Amos
@David Amos and Bergeron
Marc Martin
@David Amos
LOL I dont work for translation.
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Gallant is not my boss or that other guy Bergeron.....
Marc Martin
@David Amos
*Services de traduction N'esy Pas?*
OMG please dont tell me you did not call this guy?, there is one working for NB ha ha ha...This is hilarious....
@Marc Martin They did not deny it months ago when you first attacked me.
Marc Martin
@David Amos
OMG lol...He must have laugh at you bud...Next time do more research, my name is not listed on any website, in fact most civil servants that work for provincial or Federal are lol.
David Amos
@Marc Martin I am not your buddy I am the man suing your boss
Marc Martin
@David Amos
OMG please continue calling, its going to make the news lol...No one attacked you bud, its called freedom of speech :)
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Soooo angry...its so funny..please call them again ha ha
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David Amos
@Marc Martin "its called freedom of speech :)"
Except when its called libel
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Lol, yeah sure you are....
David Amos
@Marc Martin Federal Court File # T-1557-15
David Amos
@Marc Martin Libel is not free
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David Amos
@Marc Martin Every time I see "Content disabled." I know CBC is nervous
Marc Martin
@David Amos
That court as been inactive in 2 years lol, stop trying to make yourself important.
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Libel ?
David Amos
@Marc Martin "That court as been inactive in 2 years lol, stop trying to make yourself important."
What planet are you from?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Do you want another Marc Martin phone number ? ha ha
Dan Armitage
Liberal Premier Brian Gallant, who got fewer seats than the Progressive Conservatives, will not enter into a formal agreement with the People's Alliance, a decision that could throw a wrench into his party winning a confidence vote in the house.
So there you have it! Thier gonna paint your PANB with the racist brush every day from here on in so get use to it. But I don't think that it'll work in thier favour so much like the last party (COR). The best part is it's all about our economics and the state of New Brunswick. Not language but keep trying I'm sure some will suck it up like last springs maple syrup. But the real voters know who blew it.
Marc Martin
@Dan Armitage PANB is all about bitterness and jealousy against the Francophones. PANB = CoR
Dan Armitage
@Marc Martin Marc everyone who reads this forum are use to your selfish ways
Matt Steele
@Dan Armitage .....Very true . Right from day 1 ; Brian Gallant did not have the life and work experience required to govern a province ; and chose to go on a massive spending spree as the prov. taxes and debt soared . Of course , Gallant never accepts responsibility for any of his actions ; so now he will try to blame the PANB for everything . Just another incompetent ONE TERM Premier who took his party down to defeat !!!
kelly sherrard
@Marc Martin get your facts straight.
Marc Martin
@Dan Armitage Nothing selfish defending aquired rights .
Marc Martin
@kelly sherrard All my facts are true, you cant even deny them PANB = CoR
kelly sherrard
@Matt Steele talking to Gallant is like talking to a teenager who is in over his head. He has people around him who tell him what to say and do. Confront him with facts and figures and ask him to explain something, he finds a way to get out of it and walk away. Experienced this myself.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Yea right tell us another one
Marc Martin
@David Amos
PANB + CoR
How many votes did you get Davis?
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks I know of one French dude who would never vote for me in Fundy N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
There are French people in Fundy ? I dont think it matter French or English would not vote for your davis.
herbie harris
So really why give them party status... Save the money.. Makes sense I think.. 12 percent of the vote really don't cut it.. if you go by the rules or should they break the rules a Minister wouldn't want rules broken I hope...
Matt Steele
@herbie harris ....The Green Party received Official Party status with one MLA in 2014 ; so precedent was set . Now to be fair , all parties who have an MLA elected to the House should receive official party status , and the extra funding . It is only fair to all parties involved .
Henry Moody
@herbie harris So you're apparently happy with the status quo of the revolving door of red & blue? They've done such a great job up to now right? Get your head out of the sand. The PANB, like any new party, has to start somewhere. Besides, the purse is the same no matter how many parties are involved.
herbie harris
@Henry Moody Do you know anything about politics henry or just venting... yes the precedent was set was it right maybe not.. Just because the pot is full doesn't mean you have to spend it but in your case I guess it does you should run next time you have all the answers...
kelly sherrard
@herbie harris 12 % this election. Who is to say how many seats/votes PANB will get in the next election????
David Amos
@herbie harris I am no fan of Kris Austin but he is entitled to his entitlements just like every other political animal N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@kelly sherrard
Who cares how many ? The other party will not work with the anti-French party of NB.
Nancy Alcox
@Matt Steele it doesn’t work that way. The MLAs get to vote on it, that simple. They voted to make the Green Party an official party.
David Amos
@Marc Martin A better question would be who cares what you think?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
You do, if you wouldn't you wouldnt be reading me posts :)
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David Amos
@Marc Martin Wrong I am saving your words to use against the CROWN
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David Amos
@Marc Martin I will lay odds my reply is blocked
William Reed
700K to drive a bigger wedge into this province's linguistic politics. Sigh. I'm sure lots of people are salivating at that idea.
Henry Moody
@William Reed you're wrong.
Joseph Vacher
@William Reed lol you can thank your liberals for the divide
cheryl wright
@William Reed the PANB are the ones trying to bring us together not divide us. NOTHING in their platform are they attempting to get rid of bilingualism, NEVER did they say they were going to infringe on anyone's rights. Education is the only thing constitutionally legislated ( not bussing as the busses are under provincial transportation not education ) ; health authorities would still remain bilingual but we would have 1 set of administrations which would allow them to spend more money on nurses and doctors; paramedics who aren't bilingual cannot get any hours and most either leave the province or go into some other line of work. this is causing a shortage in our ambulatory service as we don't have the staff to assist... calls are not getting answered fast enough or at all. how does having a translation box hurt anybody's rights???? do you think in larger cities the paramedics speak every language?? to those of you who are thinking that by doing any of this is going to be worse off for the francophones get over yourselves, listen to Mr. Austin and think for yourselves and put yourselves in the shoes of those who cant get service in a timely fashion and think of the front line workers that can be hired with the savings!
Marc Martin
@William Reed
Agreed...
Marc Martin
@Henry Moody
No hes not, Barneys purple party is anti-French.
Marc Martin
@cheryl wright
The leader of PANB refused any interview with any French media outlet. Also he was always at all the anti-French rally's in Fredericton and across the province.
*we would have 1 set of administrations *
You cant expect people to do double the work, it makes no sense.
*do you think in larger cities the paramedics speak every language?? *
Then your ok if we hire only French people across the province ?
PANB = CoR stop drinking the blue kool aid
Joseph Vacher
@Marc Martin Get your head out of the mud. Duality is costing us millions and spreading us apart. get over it.
Bilingual Parking lot attendants in the city of Fredericton should not be a requirement
Marc Martin
@Joseph Vacher so you would be ok if they only hired French people ?
If duality costs that much lets see the numbers.
kelly sherrard
@Marc Martin it costs this province millions to run dual health services. We have a majority of people in this province who are English only speaking. We have people in their jobs who speak only English who can't advance within their careers because they only speak English and have to leave the province. They are basically being discriminated against by their own gov't for this reason. The attitude of "French first" in this province is wrong. The gov't in this province is so far off the rails it will take a miracle to get sound footing. and no, I am not "anti french", this is reality, like it or lump it.
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. When politician's are asked how much it costs, they keep on saying we don't know.
David Amos
@William Reed "I'm sure lots of people are salivating at that idea."
Me Too
Marc Martin
I never tought id see the day that an anti-french political party would get money to do more anti-french raly and groups...
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Dan Armitage
@Marc Martin thier not anti French your anti English and you keep proving it every time you hit the keyboard
kelly sherrard
@Marc Martin PANB are not "anti french". You should do some research. I could say that the Liberal party, with 42% of his MLAs graduating from U de M are "anti english", how correct is that statement?
Marc Martin
@Dan Armitage Where did i ever want to remove any English rights ? Yeah i tought so.
Marc Martin
@kelly sherrard Thats the worst comparison you could ever make...Do you think only French voted Liberals ? Lol... How about who voted for PANB? All English...
Jeff LeBlanc
@Marc Martin while I am sympathetic to your idea of losing French rights, I think most posters on here would think you are being a tad dramatic. Nobody is going to take away your right to speak French, learn French or get essential services like healthcare in French. However....enough people voted for the PA that they got 3 seats. That should show you that a lot of folks are saying the current system is broken and needs fixing. As an Acadian I concur, stop signs don't need to say "arret" and kids should be able to take the same bus. That's not taking away anything from anyone.
Pierre LaRoches
@kelly sherrard not to mention the main backroom people all being leftovers of the Parti Acadien separatists.
Marc Martin
@Jeff LeBlanc
* I am sympathetic to your idea of losing French rights*
No you are not.
*Nobody is going to take away your right to speak French, learn French or get essential services like healthcare in French. *
Oh not for years for sure, these will all go to court and cot billion to the province.
*enough people voted for the PA that they got 3 seats*
The CoR got more where are they now ?
*As an Acadian*
Wanna be Acadian, your not even French.
Marc Martin
@Pierre LaRoches
Time for you to go make more anti-French panels.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "Wanna be Acadian, your not even French"
Methinks you should explain your reasoning to a lot of French folk who hail from around the Bay of Fundy such as Chucky Leblanc and his kissing cousin Dominic the Liberal Cabinet Minister N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David Amos
I have no idea what your talking about...
David Amos
@Marc Martin You have no idea what you are talking about
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Davis you make no sense...is it medication time ?
Fred Brewer
@Marc Martin "Where did i ever want to remove any English rights ?"
Marc, could you please explain what you mean by "English rights"? Thanks.
Fred Brewer
@Marc Martin "Davis you make no sense...is it medication time ?"
Marc, do you not see that instead of helping your cause, you are harming it?
Dave Peters
Marc Martin SANB = Parti Quebecois. If you know your history CoR did not start in New Brunswick, check it out. This argument has been going on for 50 years in NB and still not resolved to the detriment of us all. The 2018 electoral map says alot, North vs South, English vs French. PANB did not do this, the 2 party system did this & people have taken notice of this issue and many others. The fact that Robert Melanson stated he will not talk to PANB says it all for me. No dialogue - No respect for democracy. Almost 48K votes. Surely this must mean something to SANB, surely they will not continue to disrespect democracy and the people who voted for PANB. What if your wrong. Would this not be the time to know your adversary instead of listening to a message from a person who has not even spoken to Kris Austin. Unbeleivable. How does this qualify Mr. Melanson as a leader, every opportunity should be taken to listen. This would be reasonable.
David Amos
@Dave Peters Methinks you mean Robert Gauvin N'esy Pas?
@Dave Peters, will the dialogue be in French or English?
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps "will the dialogue be in French or English?"
Methiinks Chiac would be the proper lingo N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, do you think le Crisse d'Austie would understand Chiac? It would constitute a middle ground, n'est-ce pas?
Content disabled. David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinsk everybody who is anybody in NB understand Chiac only snobby people like you Quebecers make fun of it N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@Dave Peters
*SANB = Parti Quebecois*
Wrong only your anti-French friends believe that. By the way, its sad to see a PANB representative post on CBC. By the way why doesn't your leader refusing all interview with any French media?
*North vs South, English vs French*
WRONG again, didn't Gallant get elected 2 mls in Moncton and 1 in Bathurst and 1 in Saint John ? try again.
*PANB did not do this*
WRONG AGAIN.Actually they did, attending anti-French rally and anti-french groups reunion made the province divided even more.
*The fact that Robert Melanson stated he will not talk to PANB says it all for me.*
Why would he want to talk to an anti-French group ?
*No respect for democracy. Almost 48K votes*
No respect for anti-French groups no.
*surely they will not continue to disrespect democracy and the people who voted for PANB*
They are not obligated to respect people who are anti-French.
Marc Martin
@Marguerite Deschamps
Why do you even ask...
Marc Martin
@David Amos
Hey Davis I found another Marc Martin who works in Ontario do you want his number ? ha ha
Nancy Alcox
Wake up people...I figured I’d see posts about how much money these guys get, whichever party, but no, back to the French and English dilemma. Look at what most people live on in NB and what the MLAs get. No wonder most of them want to get into politics.
David Amos
@Nancy Alcox After eight years they get a hell of pension too N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
@Nancy Alcox, I beg to differ. You could not pay me enough to run for such a thankless job!
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps I ran for public office 6 times thus far with no false illusions about being elected At least l have earned the right to laugh at the nonsense that you and your friends say about me and chastise whomever publishes the libel N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
What's the matter; the Kay Kay Kay doesn't have any money?
Marc Martin
@Marguerite Deschamps
He does now...Well at least he can change his own job to a unilingual one lol
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks you two deserve each other N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, you are sure spending a lot of time on here, n'est-ce pas?
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks I should do something while watching your beloved liberals get kicked to the curb in Quebec 78 to 31 thus far N'esy Pas?
Denis Thomas
To the ones desperately trying to paint PANB in a bad light...no shame? Not even a little?
You can't find anything to support any of your claims. If so, we're waiting....
David Amos
@Denis Thomas Methinks certain political animals know that Kris Austin painted himself into a corner with me in 2010 N'esy Pas?
Aaron Allison
We need to end Political Subsides . Next election in BC there will be, know more Political Subsides to Political Parties. We have the Highest Child Poverty in Canada. All Parties need to be ashamed . We need a Consensus Government
David Amos
@Aaron Allison "We need to end Political Subsides"
YUP
JJ Carrier
Votes are cash...When the Rhinos got their cheques, they fed their leader...
David Amos
@JJ Carrier Did they get enough votes to do so?
Trevor Lee Watson
It's unbelievable the amount of uninformed people in here. PANB is not anti french, they are for the Equality of everyone. The elite would have others believe otherwise. Wake up people ....
Marc Martin
@Trevor Lee Watson
*they are for the Equality of everyone.*
Everyone is already equal, PANB = CoR
Trevor Lee Watson
@Marc Martin or are you an elite wackjob looking to stir the linguistic pot in hopes of creating more misinformation.
Marc Martin
@Trevor Lee Watson
PANB and the anti-French crowd did that themselves.
David Amos
@Trevor Lee Watson "are you an elite wackjob looking to stir the linguistic pot in hopes of creating more misinformation."
BINGO
Ballots to bounty: People's Alliance poised to receive up to $700K
Election of 3 MLAs means abrupt end to shoestring budget, enabling party to pursue its work full-time
Robert Jones· CBC News·
People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin could see a $20,000 salary bump if the party is granted official status. (CBC)
A year after the People's Alliance polled two per cent of the vote in the 2014 New Brunswick election, money became so scarce Sterling Wright personally lent the party $4,000 to keep the bills paid and the lights on.
"It was very tight at times," said Wright, who is the party's executive director. "There was no money to throw around."
Those lean times are about to come to an abrupt end as the People's Alliance stunning election of three MLAs in last week's provincial election unlocks up to $700,000 in publicly funded salaries, expense accounts, administrative supports and political funding for it to pursue its work full-time for the first time.
"It's going to make a tremendous difference," Wright said.
"When you start with nothing and then you have something … something's pretty good."
All successful parties in last week's provincial election are in line for financial rewards of different kinds, and although the largest of those rewards will go to whichever of the two main parties eventually forms government, the People's Alliance may undergo the largest changes.
In addition to $85,000 salaries and expense accounts waiting for the three People's Alliance MLAs, each will also have $40,000 budgets supplied by the legislature to open and staff offices in their ridings to serve constituents.
At the legislature, if the People's Alliance is granted official status, which is likely, party leader Kris Austin will qualify for an additional $20,000 salary bump paid to leaders of third parties in the assembly, with a minimum of $150,000 more supplied to staff a legislature office.
We always felt that more money would be nice, and if we had it we could use it effectively.- Sterling Wright, executive director
The party itself will also be eligible for nearly $80,000 in annual public funding as its share of a $658,000 pool supplied by the legislature to all parties, based on their vote total in the most recent election.
That's a sixfold increase over the $13,000 the People's Alliance has been receiving since the 2014 election.
For a party that just three years ago raised less than $6,000 from 56 donors, the resources suddenly available to it are enormous.
"We always felt that more money would be nice and if we had it we could use it effectively," said Wright, who has only known shoestring budgets and volunteer labour during the party's eight-year history.
"We just made do with what we had. We were used to it."
Greens will see similar funds
The election of three Green Party's MLAs will unleash nearly identical resources for their party, but the Greens have enjoyed some of those benefits already after electing leader David Coon as a single MLA in 2014.
For the People's Alliance, it is all new bounty.
"It can make a big difference," said UNB political scientist J.P. Lewis.
According to Lewis, the Greens proved in 2014 the money and profile that come with having an MLA in the legislature can elevate a party's standing dramatically.
The greater resources available to both Greens and the People's Alliance based on this year's election could generate an even larger impact for each, he said.
"It gives opposition parties the ability to act as a player on the same stage as government," Lewis said. "They achieved significant things — they got seats. It gives you a lot of legitimacy."
About the Author
Robert Jones
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Robert Jones has been a reporter and producer with CBC New Brunswick since 1990. His investigative reports on petroleum pricing in New Brunswick won several regional and national awards and led to the adoption of price regulation in 2006.
For the benefit of all before the Yankee Mid Term Election please check out my idea of an "October Surprise" for Trump Hopefully "The Donald" becomes the biggest Lame Duck in the history of the WORLD N'esy Pas?
I waited until the last possible minute in a sincere to try to make Trudeau the Younger and his mindless minions that I was not joking about my offer of assistance against Trump and NAFTA. In return the LIEbranos and the Conservative cohorts just lauged at me. Well now a little proof of what I say is true it was duly recorded forever in the PUBLIC RECORD of the Federal Court files in Fredericton NB before the ink was dry in Ottawa and Washington. Trust that I will be on the phone and emailing this document to many Yankees as my idea of an "October Surprise" for Mr Trump and his evil cronies to enjoy before the Mid Term election and hopefully for the benefit of all "The Donald" becomes the biggest lame duck in the history of the USA.
(Check Don Brown's Most Liked comment) Methinks many politicians are familiar with this story that appeared in the Kings County Record June 22, 2004 N'esy Pas?
With its new trade deal, Canada surrenders sovereignty to a bully: Neil Macdonald
We're obliged to inform the U.S. of any intention to pursue negotiations with a "non-market" country
Neil Macdonald· CBC News· Posted: Oct 01, 2018 4:08 PM ET
1161 Comments Commenting is now closed for this story.
Don Brown
Boycott USA , they cant stop that . Dont cross the line to save a few bucks .
Richard O'Mara
@Don Brown It's mainly not the money .... but the availability and selection
Don Brown
@Richard O'Mara - People are a wasteful , how many choices do you need ?
Richard Riel
@Don Brown Choice and quality.
Edward Peter
@Richard Riel 16 varieties of Cheddar cheese is worth the trip alone/s
Bob Smith
@Don Brown I'm down there every weekend and proud of it. Want me to shop Canadian, don't f me in taxes.
Terry Smith
@Don Brown Spoken like a true communist
Don Brown
@Terry Smith - Spoken like a Trump schill
Claire Bensen
@Edward Peter Psst... we have cheese shops in Canada too
David Amos
@Don Brown Methinks many politicians are familiar with this story that appeared in the Kings County Record June 22, 2004 N'esy Pas?
The Unconventional Candidate By Gisele McKnight
"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."
Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos. The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from running for office in Canada."
"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."
"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.
"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window
NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico."
'Death by a thousand cuts': Canadian dairy farmer disappointed by USMCA deal
Deal will affect the livelihood of farmers and their families, says B.C. farmer
CBC Radio·
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Teddy Clifton
""Justin Trudeau promised over and over again " this once again demonstrates his consistency of promising . The list of broken or unkept promises is getting very long.
David Amos
@Teddy Clifton Perhaps someday the Dairy Farmers will pay attention to what I have been saying about NAFTA etc since 2004
Nathanial Nasci
@Teddy Clifton He promised to keep Supply Management and he has.
1 litre of milk in Newfoundland, my home province, is almost $3. 1 litre in Boise, Idaho, where I live now, is less than 90 cents. The difference is the price many Canadians pay to indirectly subsidize Canadian dairy producers. Of course it is also not fair that the US directly subsidizes farm production but this new deal does not address US farm subsidies.
Barney Miller
@
US farm subsidies can easily be addressed with WTO legal action.....but I wouldn't hold my breath for that to happen.....Trudeau can't even find the time to fill the empty court benches in Canada....and our "new" Trade Minister, Jimmy Carr thinks that "affection" for Canada, is the basis for trade negotiation....LOL....these Liberal clowns don't know what, when or how to react.
Barney Miller
@
US farm subsidies can easily be addressed with WTO legal action.....but I wouldn't hold my breath for that to happen.....Trudeau can't even find the time to fill the empty court benches in Canada....and our "new" Trade Minister, Jimmy Carr thinks that "affection" for Canada, is the basis for trade negotiation....LOL....these Liberals don't know what, when or how to react.
David Amos
@Barney Miller Methinks you are a little redundant but perhaps some liberal will get your message N'esy Pas?
Howard Larade
@ We pay 3.57 for 2L of milk in Stephenville NL so not sure where you are to pay $3.00 for 1L.
Methinks many people were correct about Trudeau The Younger knuckling under to Trump I bet a herd of Dairy Farmers are gonna be plenty pissed off N'esy Pas?
With its new trade deal, Canada surrenders sovereignty to a bully: Neil Macdonald
We're obliged to inform the U.S. of any intention to pursue negotiations with a "non-market" country
Neil Macdonald· CBC News· Posted: Oct 01, 2018 4:08 PM ET
Ottawa's calculus, in the end, was pretty obvious. Surrender to American bludgeoning on the big-picture stuff, and hang on if possible to barriers and protections that force Canadian consumers to pay for our lack of competitiveness. (Jacquelyn Martin/The Associated Press)
So first, Clause 32. It's long-winded and uses code language, but basically, it says that if Canada wants a trade deal with China, it has to notify the Americans about any negotiations, and tell them the substance of those negotiations, and submit the text of any deal, "including any annexes and side instruments" in advance, for American scrutiny, and then, like a puppy, await Washington's verdict.
If the Americans don't like the deal – and it's a safe bet the Americans aren't going to like any deal that binds Canada to a rival economic giant – Canada will be summarily excluded from the new version of NAFTA, which will revert, at America's whim, to a bilateral deal with Mexico.
It's a breathtaking thing for Canada to accept, but unsurprising. It's of a piece with the Trump approach: brutalize allies and partners, insult them and club them into submission with crude threats like Trump's "motherlode" tariffs on autos and auto parts.
To paraphrase Trump's coarse inauguration speech, fair trade stops here and it stops now. America first, ladies and gentlemen.
Trade with "non-market" countries
Clause 32 doesn't actually mention China. It instead uses the euphemism "non-market country," and stipulates that each party "shall inform the other parties," but there's no doubt about what a non-market country means — China — or who Canada is meant to tell. At the moment, U.S. President Donald Trump is prosecuting an all-out trade war with China, and he doesn't want any allies getting cozy with the other side.
But it's more than that. The United States has clearly heard the voices in Canada and other Western countries urging their governments to diversify and strengthen ties with other trading partners as a shield against Trump's America-first bullying. The Americans consider Canada and Mexico to be client states, and aren't going to stand for any Canadian assertions of independence.
"This is all about the Americans laying down a marker," says a Canadian lawyer who's been inside the NAFTA renegotiation. "They are effectively saying 'We are going to control North America.' "I cannot believe Canada would sign this. It makes me want to puke."
Gordon Ritchie, who helped negotiate the original Canada-U.S. Free Trade Agreement, takes a more charitable view. He says Clause 32 is mostly about American fears of Chinese goods making it into their market through a Canadian back door.
Such fears are overblown, he says, but Canada probably went along because "shielding your head means the blows will fall on your back."
In fact, though, Clause 32 goes even further than informing America about any negotiations with China, or giving Washington the text of any deal with China. Clause 32 obliges Canada to inform America, at least three months in advance, of any "intention" to pursue negotiations. It is a certain surrender of sovereignty.
But Canada in the end probably didn't have much choice. When your economy is so stitched to a power the size of America, you eventually do as you're told. You sign a deal like this one, even if it doesn't protect you from Trump's illegal "232" maneuver – declaring that Canadian aluminium and steel constitute a threat to American national security, and therefore must be tariffed.
The idea that Canadian metal threatens American security is lunacy. The fact that Trump, with a smug smile, is actually citing it, and gets to continue to cite it at will, says all that needs to be said about his regard for the "closest of friends" relationship we've been told about all our lives. To Trump, Canada is a bothersome vassal that needs to learn its place in an American-led world.
When your economy is so stitched to a power the size of America, you eventually do as you're told. You sign a deal like this one, even if it doesn't protect you from Trump's illegal "232" maneuver. (Evan Vucci/Associated Press)
That said, Canada did manage to keep some of its high protectionist walls from destruction by the American trebuchet.
Our government-managed cartel that protects Canadian farmers from competition by forcing Canadians to pay higher than market prices for dairy, poultry and eggs remains largely intact.
And Ottawa, pushed by the association representing Canadian retailers, has seen to it that cross-border e-commerce will remain mostly out of reach for millions of Canadian consumers.
On the face of it, the so-called de minimis level – the threshold under which any shipment from abroad comes into Canada without duty or taxes applied – is rising. Canada has for more than 30 years stopped any incoming parcel worth more than a trifling $20 Canadian, and applied duties and taxes.
That number is going to change.
But anyone who thinks it will be easier and cheaper to order that nicely priced shirt from Land's End is in for a Canadian surprise. (Actually, no one should be surprised at all, given the extent to which Canada relies on protectionism, rather than competition, to rule its markets).
Fees behind the numbers
Look at the numbers. The new trade deal declares that all shipments under $150 will be allowed into Canada duty-free. Great so far.
But in reality, peanuts. The average duty on goods coming in from the United States is 2 per cent. Meaning Canada has agreed to forgo $3 on a shipment of $150.
Meanwhile, Canada will continue to collect 12.25 per cent HST on any shipment valued at more than $40. Meaning $18.40 on that $150 shipment.
And the way it will work means that, in effect, the Canadian border will remain discouragingly sclerotic. Big American shippers, which don't have the time or inclination to start collecting Canadian taxes on behalf of the Canadian government, generally just hand parcels over to a courier like UPS or FedEx.
Those couriers automatically engage customs brokers to smooth the passage of goods across the border. The brokers calculate tax and duty, impose it on the price, then add their own hefty fees, often doubling the cost to the consumer of a small purchase, which makes the exercise rather pointless, which is exactly the way Canadian retailers, and the government, want it.
In effect, the Canadian border will remain discouragingly sclerotic. (Darren Calabrese/Canadian Press)
Smaller shippers, though, generally use the post office, and Canada Post, to the extreme annoyance of the federal government and Canada's retail industry, does not hire parasitic customs brokers; it merely offers parcels to Canadian customs agents for inspection, and the Canada Border Services agency doesn't have the staff to handle the job. Which is why postal shipments often arrive at Canadians' homes without any fees, duties or taxes applied. People in the e-commerce game call that "duty roulette."
Tellingly, Canada's department of finance immediately confirmed that the new de minimis applies only to shipments by private courier, not to any parcel sent by mail. Think about that: Canada's new rules don't apply to its own post office.
Andrea Stairs, CEO of eBay Canada, says 90 per cent of her small shippers do ship via the post. Overall, she says, 70 per cent of cross-border shipments are postal packages. Which means the new rules exclude the vast majority of shipments. Of course they do.
Stairs is not celebrating today. All the new deal does, she says "is make things even more confusing for Canadian consumers, let alone small businesses trying to work in a global economy." If postal shipments are excluded from the new deal, she says, the whole thing is just "a missed opportunity."
Consumers will henceforth have to calculate what percentage of their purchase will be taxed, what percentage will be duty-free, and whether it makes more sense to ask for postal shipping, and hope the package sails past customs uninspected.
"We're pretty comfortable with where it ended up," Karl Littler of the Retail Council of Canada told Bloomberg News.
Pretty comfortable indeed. Because nothing will change.
Ottawa's calculus, in the end, was pretty obvious. Surrender to American bludgeoning on the big-picture stuff, and hang on if possible to barriers and protections that force Canadian consumers to pay for our lack of competitiveness.
Neil Macdonald is an opinion columnist for CBC News, based in Ottawa. Prior to that he was the CBC's Washington correspondent for 12 years, and before that he spent five years reporting from the Middle East. He also had a previous career in newspapers, and speaks English and French fluently, and some Arabic.
'Death by a thousand cuts': Canadian dairy farmer disappointed by USMCA deal
Deal will affect the livelihood of farmers and their families, says B.C. farmer
CBC Radio·
Julaine Treur, a dairy farmer in Agassiz, B.C., said that it was frustrating for dairy farmers to be asked 'to give and give and give.' (Submitted by Julaine Treur)
"It feels like a death by a thousand cuts," said Julaine Treur, who owns Creekside Dairy with her husband Jochem, in Agassiz, B.C.
"Justin Trudeau promised over and over again to defend supply management, but I don't feel like this is defending us, this is eroding the stability of our supply managed system," she told The Current's Anna Maria Tremonti.
That erosion has come from deals in recent years, she argued, such as the CETA agreement between Canada and the EU, and the Trans-Pacific Partnership between Canada and 10 Asian countries.
The TPP was supposed to be the last deal ... and then Trump came along.- Julaine Treur
The new United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA) would give American farmers greater market access to sell their goods in Canada — worth about 3.6 per cent of the current dairy industry, according to the Dairy Farmers of Canada.
"The TPP was supposed to be the last deal," Treur said. "The government told us then we had deals with all of our major trading partners, and we could rest easy for a while — and then [U.S. President Donald] Trump came along."
"This access is frustrating to us, because every time we're being asked to give and give and give."
Canada's supply management system puts quotas on the amount of milk that farmers are allowed to produce, eliminating over-production, which can drive down prices. It also puts high tariffs on foreign producers trying to sell in the Canadian market, limiting foreign products on Canadian shelves.
The National
Supply management: The argument for and against, and why Trump hates it
The National takes a brief look at supply management, the argument for and against it, and why U.S. President Donald Trump hates it and complains about Canada's system. 1:11
"Each foreign dairy product on our store shelves displaces a dairy product produced here in Canada, by Canadians, for Canadians," said Treur.
"So it affects our Canadian jobs and the livelihood of our farmers and their families."
The USMCA deal will give American farmers greater market access to sell their goods in Canada. (Christinne Muschi /Reuters)
Treur said that giving up three per cent of their market would mean losing five cows from their herd and reducing production. Revenue would fall, while costs would largely stay the same, she said.
"It's going to cause us to tighten our belts, and sometimes it feels like we don't know how much we can tighten them."
Listen to the full conversation near the top of this page. Written by Padraig Moran. Produced by The Current's Idella Sturino and Zena Olijnyk.
NAFTA deal reached: Canada, U.S., Mexico reach trade agreement under new name
By Katie Dangerfield National Online Journalist, Breaking News Global News
After more than a year of negotiating a new North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), Canada, the U.S. and Mexico have finally inked a trade deal.
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland and United States Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer released a joint statement Sunday night announcing the new deal, which will be called the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA).
“Today, Canada and the United States reached an agreement, alongside Mexico, on a new, modernized trade agreement for the 21st Century: the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA),” the statement read.
“USMCA will give our workers, farmers, ranchers, and businesses a high-standard trade agreement that will result in freer markets, fairer trade and robust economic growth in our region.”
U.S. President Donald Trump is to sign the $1.2-trillion trade agreement at the end of November and will then submit it to Congress, an official said.
Late last night, our deadline, we reached a wonderful new Trade Deal with Canada, to be added into the deal already reached with Mexico. The new name will be The United States Mexico Canada Agreement, or USMCA. It is a great deal for all three countries, solves the many......
The deal came down to the wire before a midnight deadline Sunday set by U.S. Congress, with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau convening a cabinet meeting at 10 p.m. ET Sunday in Ottawa.
“It’s a good day for Canada,” Trudeau told reporters after the cabinet meeting to discuss the deal, which triggered a jump in global financial markets.
The NAFTA negotiations have been in the works since Aug. 16, 2017. The goal was to “modernize” the trade pact, with U.S., Mexican and Canadian. Officials initially expected to conclude negotiations in early 2018 due to elections later in the year.
Senior White House officials said the deal is a big win for Mexico and Canada, and the deal includes ambitious new market access, including increased U.S. access to the dairy market in Canada. The officials said that a new regime has been agreed upon that will prevent supply management from being externalized outside of Canada.
Canada has agreed to provide U.S. dairy farmers access to about 3.5 per cent of its approximately $16-billion annual domestic dairy market. Although Canadian sources said its government was prepared to offer compensation, dairy farmers reacted angrily.
The Dairy Farmers of Canada said the new trade agreement will grant greater market access to the domestic dairy market and eliminate competitive dairy classes, which the group said will shrink the Canadian industry.
The lobby group said the measures will have “a dramatic impact not only for dairy farmers but for the whole sector,” adding that it fails “to see how this deal can be good for the 220,000 Canadian families that depend on dairy for their livelihood.”
Chapter 19, the dispute resolution mechanism, which was a major sticking point in the negotiations, will be kept with no substantial changes.
The deal also requires a higher proportion of the parts in a car to be made in areas of North America paying workers at least $16 an hour, a rule aimed at shifting jobs from Mexico.
Canada and Mexico each agreed to a quota of 2.6 million passenger vehicles exported to the United States in the event that Trump imposes 25 per cent global autos tariffs on national security grounds.
The quota would allow for significant growth in tariff-free automotive exports from Canada above current production levels of about two million units, safeguarding Canadian plants. It is also well above the 1.8 million cars and SUVs Mexico sent north last year.
But the deal failed to resolve U.S. tariffs on Canada’s steel and aluminum exports. A review of the deal will come up every six years, officials said.
Canada, U.S. have reached a NAFTA deal — now called the USMCA
Trudeau says it's 'a good day for Canada,' but does not elaborate
John Paul Tasker, Elise von Scheel· CBC News·
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau leaves the Office of the Prime Minister and Privy Council after an agreement was reached in the NAFTA negotiations in Ottawa. (Justin Tang/Canadian Press)
Canada and the U.S. have announced a tentative new trilateral trade deal with Mexico that includes some key concessions on issues of import to both countries — and also a reworked name: the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA).
"USMCA will give our workers, farmers, ranchers, and businesses a high-standard trade agreement that will result in freer markets, fairer trade and robust economic growth in our region," Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland and U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer said in a joint statement released late Sunday.
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland and United States Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, shown in January, released a joint statement late Sunday. (Graham Hughes/Canadian Press)
"It will strengthen the middle class, and create good, well-paying jobs and new opportunities for the nearly half billion people who call North America home," the statement said. "We look forward to further deepening our close economic ties when this new agreement enters into force."
After 14 months of intensive and often fractious negotiations between the two countries, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau convened a late-night meeting of cabinet to brief ministers because a deal had been reached only hours before a U.S.-imposed midnight deadline.
'A good day for Canada'
Leaving the meeting about an hour and 15 minutes after it began, Trudeau said only that it was "a good day for Canada" and that he'd have more to say to reporters on Monday.
In a background briefing with reporters, a senior Trump administration official heralded the USMCA as a win for all three countries.
"This is a big win for the U.S., Mexico and for Canada and it fulfils one of the president's most important campaign promises," a senior Trump administration official said. "We think this is a fantastic agreement. It's a great win for the president and a validation of his strategy in the area of international trade."
At the heart of the deal is a trade-off between greater U.S. access to Canada's dairy market, which is heavily protected by a system of supply management, and Canadian demands for the maintenance of a dispute resolution process.
The two sides have agreed to keep Chapter 19, NAFTA's dispute resolution mechanism, intact. That's a major victory for Canadian negotiators who have long sought to keep some sort of process to challenge anti-dumping and countervailing-duty cases — which Canada has deployed in the past over the softwood lumber file.
Chapter 19 preserved word for word
Chapter 19 will be preserved word for word, though it will be renumbered in the new agreement, U.S. officials said Sunday.
Lighthizer has steadfastly opposed this chapter, as he believes it's a violation of U.S. sovereignty to have a multinational panel of arbiters decide on the acceptability of U.S. tariffs.
A Trump administration official deflected Sunday when asked if preserving Chapter 19 was a win for Canada. "From our perspective we think there's really, really great things in this agreement. We're excited about those parts of it," the official said.
(Chapter 11, however, will be phased out between the U.S. and Canada, Trump officials said. This chapter, which outlines the investor-state dispute settlement, allowed corporations to sue governments at special tribunals for interfering in their business.)
In exchange for some U.S. concessions on a dispute mechanism, Canada is expected to give U.S. farmers greater access to Canada's dairy market by increasing the quota on foreign imports.
Under the current supply management system, Canada imposes tariffs on dairy imports — which can run as high as 300 per cent — that exceed the established quota. Trump has railed against these tariffs as unfair to American farmers, as they are designed to keep foreign products out while privileging Canadian sources.
Dairy concessions could be politically challenging
Some of what Canada has agreed to could be politically challenging for the Liberal government, especially in Quebec, where dairy farmers hold electoral sway in certain ridings.
Under the new NAFTA, the U.S. will have roughly the same access to the Canadian dairy market as what was given up by Trudeau when he signed the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) trade deal with 10 Asia-Pacific countries earlier this year.
Under that agreement, those 10 countries will have market access that equals 3.25 per cent of Canada's annual milk production. The exact percentage extended to U.S. dairy exporters was not immediately clear — but it will be marginally higher than that 3.25 per cent now open to Asian countries.
"We've achieved levels of market access, from the perspective of the U.S., that are a better deal than what the prior administration negotiated in TPP," a Trump administration official said of what former U.S. president Barack Obama squeezed out of the Canadians on the dairy front.
Trump officials say dairy changes major breakthrough
But, perhaps most importantly for dairy producers, Canada has agreed to end what's called class 7 pricing, a milk class created in March 2017 that slashed prices on some Canadian-produced milk ingredients— like protein concentrates, skim milk and whole milk powder — used to make cheese and yogurt. The co-ordinated price cut made the American equivalents uncompetitive.
Trump administration officials pounced on this change Sunday, touting it as a major breakthrough for American farmers, especially in Wisconsin and New York, where dairy farmers are eager to offload some of their product on Canada as they grapple with severe oversupply.
Milk is pictured at a grocery store in North Vancouver late last month. At the outset of the NAFTA talks, the U.S. demanded Canada dismantle supply management entirely — something that Trudeau has always maintained was a non-starter. (Jonathan Hayward/Canadian Press)
"On the dairy issue, we have a great result for our dairy farmers ... and this was one of the president's key objectives," the Trump administration official said. "Canada has agreed to eliminate the class 7 milk pricing system, which is something that was very problematic."
At the outset of the NAFTA talks, the U.S. demanded Canada dismantle supply management entirely — something that Trudeau has always maintained was a non-starter. Its preservation, save for a few tweaks, will be pitched as a success story by the governing Liberals.
Steel and aluminum imports still an open question
Canada is also expected to sign on to this new NAFTA without any reassurances that the U.S. will lift its so-called "section 232" tariffs on steel and aluminum imports — a coup for the economic nationalists that surround Trump who believe that protectionist measures like these punitive tariffs can help salvage the declining U.S. steel industry.
"There isn't any agreement on that at this point," a Trump administration official said. "There's been talk about potential discussions there, but that's on a completely separate track."
A Dofasco employee in Hamilton Ont., in March. The Trump administration hit Canada with hefty tariffs on steel and aluminum earlier this year. (Tara Walton/Canadian Press)
Canadian sources told CBC News they hope to resolve the 232 issue before ratifying NAFTA. Those tariffs were levied on "national security" grounds using presidential authority granted under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962, which gives the president broad powers to impose tariffs without consulting Congress. Canada responded to Trump's move with counter-tariffs on billions of dollars worth of U.S. goods.
While technically separate from NAFTA talks, the U.S. has used the threat of further 232 tariffs on autos to extract concessions from Canada and Mexico — a frightening proposition for the Canadians.
No hard limit on auto exports
Importantly for Canadian negotiators, Trump has agreed that no hard limit will be placed on Canadian auto exports to the U.S.
That said, should the U.S. move forward with the imposition of worldwide 232 tariffs on autos, they would also apply to Canada.
However, Ottawa has negotiated what is effectively an exemption, as it would still be able to export cars and parts tariff-free up to a certain amount that is well above what Canada sends south of the border.
Sources could not immediately confirm the exact number of cars or parts that would be allowable, but U.S. officials said there has been an "accommodation" reached.
U.S.-Mexico deal came first
Last month, Trump announced his negotiators had reached a bilateral deal with Mexico.
The Canadians have already said they are pleased with what the U.S. had negotiated bilaterally with Mexico on changes to "rules of origin" around autos, championing the changes as good for middle-class workers on both sides of the border.
The revised USMCA deal will require 75 per cent of auto content to be made in North America, up from 62.5 per cent under the current NAFTA.
It would also require 40-45 per cent of auto content made in Mexico to be made by workers earning at least $16 US an hour, placating unions in Canada and the U.S. concerned about high-paying jobs moving to Mexico's low-wage economy.
According to the U.S. Trade Representative, Canada ships more than $56 billion US worth of autos — cars and parts alike — to the U.S. each year. The auto industry employs more than 120,000 people in Canada, with most of those jobs concentrated in southwestern Ontario.
Canada has also secured exemptions for its creative industries.
The existing NAFTA deal includes a cultural exemption clause, which means cultural goods are not treated like other commercial products — and that will continue under the new terms of the agreement. Lighthizer has previously cited Canada's broadcasting content and telecommunication ownership rules as an irritant.
Deal to be sent to Congress
U.S. negotiators have been gunning for a new NAFTA by month's end to get a text of the agreement to Congress for its mandatory 60-day review period. That could allow for a deal to be signed before Dec 1., when Mexico's new, left-leaning president takes office.
Under U.S. law, while Congress can extend fast-track negotiating authority to Trump administration officials — as it has with NAFTA — legislators retain the right to review any proposed trade agreement and decide whether it will be implemented. That relationship is governed by a set of strict, legislated timelines that allow Congress enough time to study a deal before delivering a decision.
Tonight, Canada and the United States reached an agreement, alongside Mexico, on a new and modern trade agreement, called the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (#USMCA). Read the statement: https://bit.ly/2y277yY
A Trump administration official said Trudeau, Trump and Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto will sign the USMCA at the end of November.
It will then be up to the next Congress — which could be fundamentally reconstituted after November's midterm elections — to ratify the agreement before it comes in to force.
About the Author
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John Paul (J.P.) Tasker is a reporter in the CBC's Parliamentary bureau in Ottawa. He can be reached at john.tasker@cbc.ca.
Methinks Mr Higgs knows why the Bankster Franky McKenna asked Gerry Lowe a former union rep to run in the Harbour that is the heart of the Irving Empire N'esy Pas?
Saint John Harbour PC candidate Barry Ogden lost the riding to Liberal candidate Gerry Lowe by 10 votes, according to Elections New Brunswick results. (CBC)
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If the election in New Brunswick ain't important why would CBC just block my comment about Trump, Wllbur Ross and I? Why would the Bankster Frank McKenna ask Gerry Lowe a former union rep to run in the Harbour that is the heart of the Irving Empire?
"A city councillor for five years, he played a key role in successfully persuading council to ask the province to repeal the city's longstanding tax deal with Irving Oil on the Canaport LNG terminal. He decided to run provincially for the Liberals at the request of Brian Gallant and former premier Frank McKenna.
"There are so many things that have to be changed and they all exist in Fredericton," Lowe said. His major concerns include affordable housing and fair taxation — especially greater control for the municipality over taxes and assessments and phasing out double taxation."
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Saint John Harbour Progressive Conservatives allege at least 40 voters recorded twice
PC request to set election of Liberal Gerry Lowe aside is withdrawn for now
Bobbi-Jean MacKinnon· CBC News·
Saint John Harbour PC candidate Barry Ogden lost the riding to Liberal candidate Gerry Lowe by 10 votes, according to Elections New Brunswick results. (CBC)
A vote recount for the close riding of Saint John Harbour will be held Wednesday, but a court application by the Progressive Conservatives to have the election of Liberal candidate Gerry Lowe thrown out based on allegations that at least 40 people were documented as voting more than once has been put on hold.
Matthew Letson, one of the lawyers representing Progressive Conservative candidate Barry Ogden and riding association president Peter Josselyn, advised the court Tuesday afternoon the application "may have been brought prematurely."
Counsel for the chief electoral officer pointed out such an application must be filed within 30 days of the return of the writ, which only occurs after any and all recounts have been completed, he said.
So Letson amended the application, withdrawing that portion for now and requesting only the recount, which had already been granted on Monday.
"That's a significant change," remarked Court of Queen's Bench Justice Hugh McLellan, who had described the notice of application as "unusual."
"It's a significant change, for the time being," said Letson.
"We expect to bring the issue of irregularities in the voting process back to court once the results of the recount are known," he said later in an emailed statement.
Ogden, a retired teacher, lost the riding to Lowe, a city councillor, by 10 votes on Sept. 24, according to Elections New Brunswick results.
Progressive Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs, left, won more seats in the Sept. 24 election, but Liberal Leader Brian Gallant still hopes to form government. (CBC)
It was the closest race in the province and depending on the recount findings could have a major impact on the balance of power in the province, as the PCs and Liberals both hope to form government.
Brian Gallant's Liberals won 21 seats, but as the incumbent government, they can try to win the confidence of the legislature when it reconvenes Oct. 23.
Procedures 'not properly followed'
On Monday, Ogden and Josselyn filed a notice of application with the court seeking an order setting aside the election of Lowe and declaring the seat vacant.
"The electoral procedures set out in the Elections Act and the applicable regulations were not properly followed in a manner that may have altered the outcome of the election" in the riding, the notice of application alleges.
It's unclear whether they're alleging people actually voted twice or that they were only documented twice.
Other grounds to be argued include that an election officer or a vote tabulation machine "improperly counted or made an incorrect statement of the number of votes cast for a candidate or the returning officer improperly tabulated the votes."
I think we violated absolutely nothing.- Gerry Lowe, Liberal candidate
None of the allegations have been proven in court.
Lowe, who said he learned of the PC application and hearing from CBC News on Monday night, seemed to know little more on Tuesday.
"I don't know who voted 40 times twice," said Lowe, who was in Fredericton and did not attend the hearing in Saint John court. "I mean, I'm totally, what we did, we just did what we did. I think we violated absolutely nothing.
"I have no idea. I thought it was about machinery counts and stuff like that, so I don't know."
Asked whether he is confident about holding on to his seat, Lowe replied: "I am, as far as I know. I don't know what's going on. It is what it is."
Elections New Brunswick spokesperson Paul Harpelle could not immediately be reached for comment.
Involves 8 of 11 polling stations
In a sworn affidavit filed in support of the application, Josselyn said he reviewed the statement of elector forms in his possession and "on some occasions, more than one vote was cast under the same unique combined poll number and elector number."
Each voter is assigned a unique combined poll number and elector number and once they vote, they are supposed to be struck from the list of electors.
"Accordingly, in completing the statement of electors, a given elector's combined poll number and elector number should appear only one time," the affidavit states.
But of the forms he has reviewed, Josselyn contends there are "approximately 40 instances in which a unique combined poll number and elector number appears twice."
Saint John Harbour PC candidate Barry Ogden, left, and riding association president Peter Josselyn, right, both declined to comment following Tuesday's hearing. (Bobbi-Jean MacKinnon/CBC)
He believes the statement of elector forms that he hasn't reviewed would represent 1,000 additional voters, but does not estimate how many, if any, might involve irregularities.
The approximately 40 alleged instances he does detail involve eight of 11 polling stations across the riding, which stretches from Mount Pleasant, where billionaires Arthur and John Irving live, to the subsidized apartments in the north end, to the working-class lower west side, and the south end.
The stations include the Carleton Community Centre, Carleton Kirk United Church, St. Luke's Church Hall, Wright Street Housing Community Hall, Market Square Senior Complex, Saint John Boys & Girls Club, Vineyard Christian Fellowship and InterAction Theatre, he contends.
Some of the alleged instances occurred during advance polls, while others occurred on election night, according to Josselyn's affidavit.
In some cases, an elector number was recorded twice within hours, he contends.
Requested recount
Ogden and Josselyn also requested a judicial recount in their application, citing the closeness of the vote results.
Recounts are granted in any race decided by 25 votes or less, upon request. The judge issued notice Monday to all Saint John Harbour candidates of the recount, to be held Wednesday at 10:30 a.m.
"Likely [the recount will] run a couple of days or so," McLellan said Tuesday. Lowe said he doesn't plan to attend the recount.
NDP Leader Jennifer McKenzie, who placed a distant third in the riding, said she doubts she'll attend either, but she was at Tuesday's hearing.
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Jennifer McKenzie on Saint John Harbour vote recount
PC Barry Ogden lost the riding to Liberal Gerry Lowe by 10 votes on Sept. 24, according to Elections New Brunswick results. 0:50
She said she has "a vested interest in making sure that it's done right and goes according to the way it should."
"I think every seat counts, every vote counts, and that's what we're seeing here today is that, you know, everybody should exercise their right to vote because it can make a real difference — not just to a riding's result, but to a provincial result."
The judge also issued summonses to the returning officer and election clerk for the riding, who must produce the envelopes or ballot transfer boxes containing the counted ballots, the rejected ballots and the spoiled ballot papers and the statements of votes cast signed by the appropriate poll officials, according to the court document.
On Tuesday, Craig Astle, director of operations for Elections New Brunswick, transported sealed boxes of ballots into the courthouse for Wednesday's recount under escort by sheriff's deputies.
2014 recount found few errors
Lowe won the Saint John Harbour race with 1,865 votes, 10 more than Ogden, according to Elections New Brunswick results.
NDP Leader Jennifer McKenzie earned 836 votes, followed by Green Party candidate Wayne Dryer with 721 votes and People's Alliance candidate Margot Brideau with 393 votes.
Independent candidate Adam Salesse campaigned in the critically close riding but wasn't listed on the ballot when voters went to the polls because he only submitted part of the required paperwork.
On Tuesday, Craig Astle, director of operations for Elections New Brunswick, unloaded 84 sealed boxes of special ballots cast for the Saint John Harbour race from outside the riding in preparation for Wednesday's recount. Ballots from advance polls and regular votes were expected to follow. (Bobbi-Jean MacKinnon/CBC)
In New Brunswick's 2014 provincial election, parties requested and received seven judicial recounts following election night problems with the reporting of voting machine results.
In four of the ridings, vote differences recorded between the two leading candidates on election night stayed the same following the recount. In two ridings it changed by one vote and in one riding it changed by two votes.
Higgs and Gallant both met with Green Party Leader David Coon on Tuesday, each hoping to garner an agreement, but Coon told CBC News they are "nowhere near" negotiations or discussing platform planks.
The Greens and People's Alliance each won three seats.
On Monday, Higgs suggested an agreement between the B.C. NDP and Greens could serve as a template for a possible partnership with the Green Party's three MLAs, which would allow the PCs to pass legislation.
Last Friday, People's Alliance Kris Austin agreed to provide stability for a Progressive Conservative minority government on a "bill-by-bill basis" for 18 months. Higgs said he spoke to Austin about stabilizing the government but made no formal agreement.
The Dennis Report Published on Sep 1, 2018 Mr. Bowser has a great line in our conversation, "It is hard for me to find work in New Brunswick, so I have to travel the world instead. It seems there is no interest in corruption in New Brunswick." It was said with tongue-in-cheek … to a degree. Corruption is a major problem and challenge in New Brunswick, and Mr. Bowser walks us through some key perspectives and shares some stories of his work. At the heart of each is a central theme … we can be doing so much better in New Brunswick. What are your thoughts?
During elections, mainstream media pay little or no attention to independent candidates. In the election narrative they are treated as an afterthought. Yet, the foundation of parliamentary democracy in New Brunswick is based on independent candidates. Much has been lost it seems.
Mr. Watson offers powerful insights and reasons for his second run at being the Member of the Legislative Assembly for Portland Simonds. There is much frustration, even betrayal, when it comes to how politics have been played in his community.
So this begs the question … will voters who claim they want change continue to behave in the same old way?
MORE INFO Hometown Saint John, NB Affiliation Indepenedent About I believe that the interests of the people must come first. When we put profits before people, we've lost our way. We've allowed those we've entrusted with our voice, a free pass. Time for accountability! #BeAuthentic #BeIndependent #Vote4ArtieWatson
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DE.001 > > B.B., by S.B., his Litigation Guardian (plaintiff) v. The City of > Saint John, a municipal corporation, and Dwayne Hussey, Robert M. > Young, Stacey Humphrey and John Sabine (defendants) > > (S/C/674/04; 2005 NBQB 425; 2005 NBBR 425) > > Indexed As: B.B. v. Saint John (City) et al. > > Répertorié: B.B. v. Saint John (City) et al. > > New Brunswick Court of Queen's Bench > > Trial Division > > Judicial District of Saint John > > McLellan, J. > > November 29, 2005. > > Summary: > > Résumé: > > The plaintiff sued municipal police officers and the municipality for > damages for injuries suffered when he was arrested. The plaintiff also > claimed exemplary damages for violation of his Charter rights. > > The New Brunswick Court of Queen's Bench, Trial Division, allowed the > action in respect of the injuries suffered but not in respect of the > alleged Charter rights violations. > > Editor's Note: Certain names in the following case have been > initialized or the case otherwise edited to prevent the disclosure of > identities where required by law, publication ban, Maritime Law Book's > editorial policy or otherwise. > > Damage Awards - Topic 229 > > Injury and death - Eye injuries - Black eye - [See Police - Topic 5145 ]. > > Police - Topic 5003 > > Actions against police - General - Actions against municipality for > actions by police officer - [See Police - Topic 5145 ]. > > Police - Topic 5145 > > Actions against police - For assault and battery - Excessive force - > Municipal police officers went to an apartment building, looking for > the then 16 year-old plaintiff and a friend in respect of a broken > window incident - The officers "forcefully" gained access to a room > where the plaintiff and his friend were hiding under a bed with their > feet sticking out - Arms were pointed but were not used - "Loud and > aggressive" commands were made - The plaintiff was pulled out kicking > and screaming from under the bed and was handcuffed - An officer > attempted to squeeze pressure points on the plaintiff but failed - The > plaintiff suffered a black eye and other minor injuries - The New > Brunswick Court of Queen's Bench, Trial Division, ruled that the > officers should have been able to arrest and handcuff the plaintiff > without him getting a black eye - They were negligent - The court > found them jointly and severally liable for the plaintiff's injuries - > The municipality was also found liable by virtue of the Police Act > (N.B.) - The court awarded $2,500. > > Évaluation des dommages-intérêts - Cote 229 > > Blessures et décès - Blessures à l'oeil - Oeil au beurre noir - [Voir > Damage Awards - Topic 229 ]. > > Police - Cote 5003 > > Actions contre la police - Généralités - Actions contre la > municipalité pour les gestes d'un agent de police - [Voir Police - > Topic 5003 ]. > > Police - Cote 5145 > > Actions contre la police - Pour voies de fait et batterie - Force > excessive - [Voir Police - Topic 5145 ]. > > Cases Noticed: > > R. v. Rossignol (J.G.A.) (1994), 147 N.B.R.(2d) 287; 375 A.P.R. 287 > (T.D.), consd. [para. 26]. > > Green v. Lawrence et al. (1998), 129 Man.R.(2d) 291; 180 W.A.C. 291; > 127 C.C.C.(3d) 416; 163 D.L.R.(4th) 115 (C.A.), consd. [para. 27]. > > Authors and Works Noticed: > > Saul, John Ralston, Voltaire's Bastards (1993), Preface [para. 11]. > > Counsel: > > Eric L. Teed, Q.C., for the plaintiff; > > Donald V. Keenan, for the defendants. > > McLellan, J., of the New Brunswick Court of Queen's Bench, Trial > Division, Judicial District of Saint John, heard this action on > November 14 and 15, 2005, and delivered the following decision on > November 29, 2005. > > [sommaire terminé] > > [1] McLellan, J. : The plaintiff sues for damages for alleged > excessive use of force by police officers employed by the City of > Saint John when the plaintiff was arrested on August 15, 2004. At that > time the plaintiff was 16 years of age. The plaintiff wants > compensation for alleged personal injuries for an assault he claims he > suffered at the hands of the defendant Cst. Robert M. Young, as well > as for unlawful confinement, conspiracy to injure and failure to > prevent injury. Also he asks for punitive and exemplary damages with > an appropriate remedy for the violation of his rights under the > Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms , sections 7, 9, 10, 11(a), > 11(c) and 12. The defendant police officers and the City deny any > liability to the plaintiff. > > [2] During the evening of August 15, 2004 Cst. Young responded three > times to different telephone calls from a woman from Coronation Court. > She lived in a second floor apartment with her two young children. Her > apartment had its own front door on the ground floor. Coronation Court > is a neighbourhood of apartments in two-storey buildings. It is part > of the McLaren Boulevard low-income public housing project in the > North End of Saint John managed by New Brunswick Housing. > > [3] That woman was calling to complain about things being thrown at > her apartment. The first time Cst. Young went to that address he found > that the window in the front door of the apartment had been broken. > The second time Cst. Young went there he found that second-floor > windows of the apartment had been broken. A bottle of relish had > splattered against an inside wall of the apartment. During that second > visit an employee of NB Housing replaced the broken window in the > front door. Both times Cst. Young suspected that the plaintiff and > some other young people nearby were responsible. > > [4] Attempts by Cst. Young and other officers to encourage the > plaintiff and his friends to keep the peace were met with rude words > and invitations to take off their gunbelts and fight. A female officer > who tried to defuse the situation was told to "go fuck herself". > Unidentified people threw things, including a can of soup, at a police > car. > > [5] A witness who was watching from her front steps describes the > plaintiff and his friends as "a group of boys, teenagers" who "had > been drinking" and were "egging on" the police "calling them pigs" and > other remarks. The plaintiff says that he had been smoking marijuana > that evening. There is also evidence that some of his friends had been > consuming pills and alcohol. > > [6] A few minutes after the police left Coronation Court the second > time, the woman called again. Cst. Young understood that her complaint > was that people had: "basically, just blitzkrieged [her] house ... > windows and doors all kicked in". More windows on the second floor of > her apartment had been broken by rocks. The window in the front door > had been broken out again. As well, that door had been attacked with > an axe and knocked off its hinges. The woman and her children were > terrified. > > [7] The plaintiff now admits that he was involved in breaking the > windows of that apartment and that he was present when his friend > broke in the front door. The plaintiff's friend says that the reason > for the attacks on that woman's apartment was that she had "ratted" on > a friend. > > [8] As part of the third police response to that location that > evening, Sgt. John Sabine deployed Cst. Young and another "tactical" > officer to make their way on foot down an embankment and through a > rocky wooded area in the dark "undetected ... to set up position in a > treeline". At the same time, Sgt. Sabine and another officer went to > Coronation Court in a Durango SUV police vehicle to interview the > woman whose apartment had just been attacked. In explaining how the > tactical officers approached the scene, Cst. Young says they were: > > "... conditions that we were used to working in, as we train, we train > continuously in during our tactical training." > > [9] In his direct evidence Cst. Young described his training after > graduation from the Atlantic Police Academy as follows: > > "I'm a member of the emergency tactical service in which I received my > basic tactical course ... [in] Toronto - five week course. Also, > hostage rescue rapid deployment course through Peel Regional Service. > Also, active shooter instructor course through the National Tactical > Officers Association. Also, explosive forced entry, explosive > handler's course through tactical explosive entry school - Dallas, > National Tactical Officers Association." (An American organization, > http://www.ntoa.org) > > [10] Such SWAT training could lead to the misunderstanding that police > are soldiers and members of an occupying army entitled to take severe > measures for fear of remote and theoretical threats to "officer > safety". Some people call that misunderstanding "the militarization of > the police. > > [11] As well, the use by the police of weapon-based military-style > tactics may not "reinforce respect for societal values", "rehabilitate > young persons" or "address the developmental challenges and the needs > of young persons" as those words are used in the Youth Criminal > Justice Act , section 3 and preamble. Also SWAT policing may reduce a > young person's respect for the police, increase his or her alienation > from positive influences and damage years of effort to build a spirit > of trust and community between the police and the public. Ironically, > there is also a possibility that the SWAT approach to policing then > "presents itself as the solution to the problems it has created", to > use a phrase in the preface to Voltaire's Bastards by John Ralston > Saul, Penguin, Toronto, 1993. > > [12] Tactical explosive entry training in Dallas and similar activity > may distort a police officer's memory of his oath of office and other > traditional training. That oath emphasizes the duty of a police > officer in New Brunswick to: > > "... cause the peace to be kept and preserved ... according to the law > ...". N.B. Reg. 81-18, s. 2. > > [13] Against that background, while Cst. Young and the other tactical > officer watched from their positions on foot that night, the plaintiff > with a friend approached the police Durango SUV vehicle. It was parked > and appeared to be unattended. Those officers recognized both the > plaintiff and his friend. > > [14] The plaintiff says that he then smashed the rear window of that > police vehicle with a baseball bat. Both tactical officers then chased > the plaintiff and his friend. > > [15] The plaintiff and his friend ran into an apartment and the door > locked behind them. Sgt. Sabine and the other officer with him then > joined the tactical officers there. After Cst. Young banged and kicked > on the front door of that apartment, the woman who lived there allowed > Cst. Young and another officer in to search that apartment. She says > that she had been sleeping after working 12 hour shifts on two days. > Sgt. Sabine then also entered that apartment without express > permission and opened the back door for a fourth officer. That woman > is not a party to this action. Accordingly I cannot consider arguments > relating to the legality of the police entrance and occupation of her > apartment. > > [16] In the apartment the two tactical officers "cleared" each room as > if they expected a violent and armed individual around each corner. > That included forcefully opening doors as the officers pointed taser > weapons with laser sights at each side of each room from the doorways. > They found the plaintiff with his friend, hiding under a bed with > their feet sticking out from it. The officers continued to act as if > they expected those boys to start shooting at them or to otherwise > attack them. While pointing their tasers and flashlights the officers > gave various commands to the boys. The officers say that the boys did > not do as they were told. One of the other officers says that Cst. > Hussey, a few minutes later while arresting another young person in > the basement, was heard through the floor "giving, uh, screaming some > police demands". > > [17] That police approach of loud and aggressive commands while > pointing a potentially lethal weapon at boys who are cornered under a > bed or in a basement strikes me as questionable. It might make those > boys think that the police were acting like bullies with guns, hoping > to provoke a reaction that would justify tasing or shooting. > Fortunately neither of the officers shot or tased anyone that night. > Thus it is not necessary to rule on whether they used their weapons > legally. The absence of a ruling on that point is not to be > interpreted as approval of their methods. > > [18] The plaintiff's friend came out from under the bed first and was > handcuffed. Then the two tactical officers were faced with the problem > of handcuffing the plaintiff. Cst. Young pulled him out from under the > bed and then both officers held him down. Those officers say he > squirmed and kicked. The room was poorly lit. Cst. Young says he > applied "pressure points" below the plaintiff's ears and nose in an > attempt to force him to stop resisting and that the plaintiff was > saying things like "fuck-you pig". One officer says that he used > "politically incorrect" language; the other says that he used the > "f-word" numerous times. The plaintiff and his friend say that an > officer called them "boulevard trash". > > [19] Police hearsay to the effect that some doctor somewhere may have > approved the squeezing of pressure points is not admissible as > evidence of the truth of that opinion or of the legality of that > method. Use of pressure points when two officers are arresting a boy > hiding under a bed for breaking a window strikes me as questionable. > Because Cst. Young appears to have been unsuccessful in actually > squeezing those pressure points in my opinion it is not necessary to > rule on the legality of that approach. The absence of a ruling on that > point is not to be interpreted as approval of that method. > > [20] The plaintiff and his friend say that they did not resist. The > other tactical officer had control of the plaintiff's legs in the > badly lit room while Cst. Young was at the plaintiff's upper body. > That other officer says regarding Cst. Young: "I can't say exactly > what he did" as Cst. Young handcuffed the plaintiff. Cst. Young says > he forced the plaintiff's arms apart and handcuffed him. The > plaintiff's friend says that one of the officers said "you kids need > to be taught a lesson". Then the plaintiff's friend says that while > the plaintiff was in handcuffs he saw Cst. Young punch the plaintiff > in the face and "stomp" him. The officers deny striking the plaintiff. > > [21] The plaintiff did not offer any evidence to support the > allegation in his Statement of Claim that one of the officers "pushed > an object against the Plaintiff's head and indicated that if he moved > he would be 'blown away'". > > [22] A few minutes later the plaintiff and his friend say that when > the plaintiff was handcuffed on his knees against a wall repeatedly > asking for a sweater and trying to get up, Cst. Young forcefully > shoved the plaintiff's head against the wall, denting the gyproc. Cst. > Young says that as the plaintiff started to get up from his knees "I > placed my hand on his shoulder to drive him down to his knees" and "he > was told to shut-up" but denies shoving his head into the wall. The > dent in the gyproc was just below a hole that had been made on another > occasion by the friend. If the plaintiff's head had made that dent, I > would expect the photograph to show a similar-sized bruise on his > forehead and for the woman who lived in that apartment and who was > seated in that room to have noticed the incident. I am not satisfied > that Cst. Young dented the gyproc with the plaintiff's head. > > [23] That woman also says that after the boys were handcuffed Cst. > Young told her that he would make sure she was evicted from that > apartment. In his evidence Cst. Young denies using those words. He > says he sits on a committee once a month with NB Housing "and have > information sharing with what goes on in the area" and that he > explained to the woman that "there may be a possibility that you will > be looking at eviction for what happened today". That suggests that > Cst. Young and other police officers are regularly providing police > information about individuals to a landlord. Because she is not a > party to this action, I cannot consider in this action any legal > issues that may exist about that "information sharing". > > [24] Several hours after the arrest it was apparent that the plaintiff > had a black eye and other minor injuries. There is no evidence that he > had any of those injuries before his arrest. Cst. Young suggests that > perhaps the plaintiff injured himself. Approximately 12 hours later a > Judge of the Provincial Court saw the plaintiff in court on the > afternoon of August 16 and directed that he be taken to the hospital. > There the triage nurse noted that he complained of "rib pain -abrasion > noted, pain right hand, right eye swollen and bruised". > > [25] In my view the police had adequate legal grounds to arrest the > plaintiff without a warrant. I think there was some resistance by the > plaintiff, at least to the extent of not wanting to have his hands > cuffed behind him. > > [26] The police have a very difficult and challenging role in our > society. Much is expected of them. In R. v. Rossignol (J.G.A.) (1994), > 147 N.B.R.(2d) 287; 375 A.P.R. 287 (T.D.), at paras. 5 and 6 the point > was made that late at night: > > "... a uniformed police officer embodies and personifies and is the > law. All the rest of the legal system, all the higher authorities of > the police, of the Attorney General's Department, of the courts, the > legislature or parliament are effectively off duty ... > > "All of the law and to a certain extent civilization is represented by > a uniformed police officer." > > [27] In our democracy the actions of the police are subject to > supervision and review. As required by their oath of office, they must > act "according to the law". The law is clear that police officers are > not exempt from liability for negligent conduct. There are many cases > to that effect including Green v. Lawrence et al. (1998), 129 > Man.R.(2d) 291; 180 W.A.C. 291; 127 C.C.C.(3d) 416; 163 D.L.R.(4th) > 115 (C.A.). > > [28] In this case I find that the police should have been able to > arrest and handcuff the plaintiff that night without him getting a > black eye. In my view Cst. Young was under a duty of care regarding > the plaintiff's safety as the plaintiff squirmed during his arrest. As > well, I find that Sgt. Sabine was also under a duty of care to take > reasonable steps to ensure that an officer like Cst. Young did not > injure the plaintiff. > > [29] I find that Cst. Young and Sgt. Sabine breached the duties of > care they owed the plaintiff and were negligent. Their negligence > resulted in the plaintiff suffering an injury, namely the swollen and > bruised eye. I find that Cst. Young and Sgt. Sabine are jointly and > severally liable to the plaintiff for his reasonable damages arising > from that black eye. The City of Saint John is also liable to the > plaintiff for that black eye under the Police Act , S.N.B. 1977, c. > P-9.2, as amended. > > [30] The evidence does not persuade me that the any of the defendants > are liable to the plaintiff for anything else or that the plaintiff is > entitled to any other relief under the Charter . In particular, the > evidence is not strong enough to reach a finding that Cst. Young > "stomped" the plaintiff or punched him in the face after he was > handcuffed. > > [31] Having regard to the assessment of damages in other similar cases > of minor personal injury, I assess damages for the plaintiff's swollen > and bruised eye in the amount of $2,500.00. There will be judgment for > the plaintiff against the defendants Robert M. Young, John Sabine and > The City of Saint John for $2,500.00 with costs on scale 5 of $862.00, > for a total of $3,362.00 and reasonable disbursements. > > Action allowed in part. > > Editor: Giovanni A. 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The suspect is being treated for serious injuries. > > Local media images showed emergency vehicles converging on a > tree-lined residential street. Nearby facilities were closed and > authorities told residents to stay locked in their homes. > > Canadian Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale said the Royal Canadian > Mounted Police (RCMP) were assisting Fredericton authorities. > > New Brunswick had only three homicide shootings in 2016, according to > Statistics Canada. > > Gun laws in Canada are more strict than in the United States but a > proliferation of weapons has led to an increase in gun crimes in > recent years. > > "Awful news coming out of Fredericton," Canadian Prime Minister Justin > Trudeau said on Twitter. "My heart goes out to everyone affected by > this morning’s shooting. We’re following the situation closely." > > Three RCMP officers were killed and two more were wounded in 2014 in > Moncton, New Brunswick, about 195 km (121 miles) from Fredericton, in > one of the worst incidents of its kind in Canada. > > Last month, a gunman walked down a busy Toronto street, killing two > people and wounding 13 others before turning his weapon on himself. > > Toronto, Canada's largest city, has had 241 shooting incidents this > year, resulting in 30 deaths, a 30 percent increase in fatalities. > > > > > > ---------- Original message ---------- > From: Media Enquiries <Media.Enquiries+noreply@telegraph.co.uk> > Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 15:47:15 +0000 > Subject: Re: Fwd: Why does CBC care what the Maritime Master of War > Petey Baby MacKay thinks about anything? > To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > Thank you for your enquiry. > > Please note - this inbox is monitored regularly but is for > MEDIA-RELATED ENQUIRIES ONLY e.g. Telegraph press office issues, > including media requests for Telegraph writers. > > If you have a READER ENQUIRY, please re-direct your email to: > telegraphenquiries@telegraph.co.uk > > > ---------- Original message ---------- > From: Newsroom <newsroom@globeandmail.com> > Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 15:48:44 +0000 > Subject: Automatic reply: Why does CBC care what the Maritime Master > of War Petey Baby MacKay thinks about anything? > To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > Thank you for contacting The Globe and Mail. > > If your matter pertains to newspaper delivery or you require technical > support, please contact our Customer Service department at > 1-800-387-5400 or send an email to customerservice@globeandmail.com > > If you are reporting a factual error please forward your email to > publiceditor@globeandmail.com<mailto:publiceditor@globeandmail.com> > > Letters to the Editor can be sent to letters@globeandmail.com > > This is the correct email address for requests for news coverage and > press releases. > > ---------- Original message ---------- > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 11:22:26 -0400 > Subject: Fwd: Why does CBC care what the Maritime Master of War Petey > Baby MacKay thinks about anything? > To: media.enquiries@telegraph.co.uk, "boris.johnson.mp" > <boris.johnson.mp@parliament.uk>, gopublic <gopublic@cbc.ca>, David > Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>, Newsroom > <Newsroom@globeandmail.com>, news <news@hilltimes.com>, news > <news@kingscorecord.com>, news <news@thetelegraph.com.au>, news > <news@dailygleaner.com>, news919 <news919@rogers.com> > Cc: dtnews@telegraph.co.uk > > The Telegraph > 111 Buckingham Palace Road > London > SW1W 0DT > > + 44 (0) 20 7931 2000 > Press Office > + 44 (0) 20 7931 2000 > media.enquiries@telegraph.co.uk > Editorial > + 44 (0) 20 7931 2000 > dtnews@telegraph.co.uk > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 09:09:20 -0400 > Subject: Why does CBC care what the Maritime Master of War Petey Baby > MacKay thinks about anything? > To: Omar.Alghabra@parl.gc.ca, Peter.MacKay@bakermckenzie.com, pm > <pm@pm.gc.ca>, "Gerald.Butts"<Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>, > "maxime.bernier"<maxime.bernier@parl.gc.ca>, "andrew.scheer" > <andrew.scheer@parl.gc.ca>, mdcohen212@gmail.com, djtjr > <djtjr@trumporg.com>, fgraves@ekos.com, "Dominic.Cardy" > <Dominic.Cardy@gnb.ca>, "David.Coon"<David.Coon@gnb.ca>, "David.Akin" > <David.Akin@globalnews.ca>, "Jonathan.Vance" > <Jonathan.Vance@forces.gc.ca>, "hon.ralph.goodale" > <hon.ralph.goodale@canada.ca>, "Larry.Tremblay" > <Larry.Tremblay@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, vmuradian@defaeroreport.com, > washington field <washington.field@ic.fbi.gov> > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>, "Catherine.Tait" > <Catherine.Tait@cbc.ca>, "Chuck.Thompson"<Chuck.Thompson@cbc.ca>, > "sylvie.gadoury"<sylvie.gadoury@radio-canada.ca>, "Melanie.Joly" > <Melanie.Joly@parl.gc.ca>, "Bill.Morneau"<Bill.Morneau@parl.gc.ca> > > Peter MacKay on Halifax Forum, US-Canada Relations & Political Future > 104 views > Defense & Aerospace Report > Published on Nov 28, 2017 > > Peter MacKay, Canada's former foreign affairs, defense and justice > minister and founder of the Halifax International Security Forum who > is now with the Baker McKenzie law firms, discusses the importance of > the forum, US-Canada relations, causes he's championing and his > political future. MacKay spoke with the Defense & Aerospace Report at > the 2017 Halifax International Security Forum in Nova Scotia, Canada. > Check out our website: http://www.defaeroreport.com > > https://defaeroreport.com/contact/ > > Vago Muradian > Founder & Editor > Defense & Aerospace Report, LLC > +1 (202) 607-4711 > +1 (571) 221-0990 > vmuradian@DefAeroReport.com > > > http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2018/08/whys-does-cbc-care-what-petey-baby.html > > Thursday, 9 August 2018 > > Why does CBC care what Petey Baby MacKay thinks about anything? > > https://twitter.com/DavidRayAmos/with_replies > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "MacKay, Peter"<Peter.MacKay@bakermckenzie.com> > Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 14:39:17 +0000 > Subject: Automatic reply: YO Minister Jean-Yves.Duclos Once again you > are welcome Now how about the RCMP, the LIEbranos and all the other > parliamentarians start acting with some semblance of Integrity after > all these years? > To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > Thank you for your email. I am currently out of the office attending > meetings and have limited access to email and voicemail. If your > matter is urgent, or if you require assistance, please contact my > assistant, Nicole Bruni at nicole.bruni@bakermckenzie.com or at (416) > 865-3861. > > > This message may contain confidential and privileged information. If > it has been sent to you in error, please reply to advise the sender of > the error and then immediately delete this message. Please visit > www.bakermckenzie.com/disclaimers for other important information > concerning this message. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 15:24:42 -0400 > Subject: Re "At the Crossroads of Hope and Fear" Yo Mr Graves we just > talked say Hey to your buddy Petey Baby MacKay and Trump/s lawyer > Mikey Cohen for me will ya? > To: fgraves@ekos.com, "PETER.MACKAY"<PETER.MACKAY@bakermckenzie.com>, > mdcohen212 <mdcohen212@gmail.com>, david@policyalternatives.ca > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>, > alyssa@policyalternatives.ca, ccpans@policyalternatives.ca, > Don.Pittis@cbc.ca, premier <premier@ontario.ca>, caroline > <caroline@carolinemulroney.ca>, pm <pm@pm.gc.ca>, "Gerald.Butts" > <Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca> > > Wednesday, 1 August 2018 > > The confusion of the CCPA and the CBC is well known when it comes to > matters of money N'esy Pas? > > "Ekos founder and president Frank Graves says the rejection of > inheritance tax is just one part of a wider phenomenon demonstrated in > his polling. He pointed to the election of Doug Ford as premier in > Ontario as an example of its impact. Most of Ford's supporters > declared themselves to be working class." > > http://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2018/02/at-the-crossroads-of-hope-and-fear/ > > At the Crossroads of Hope and Fear > THE NEW AXIS OF SOCIETAL TENSION > > Frank Graves > President EKOS Research > t: 613.235-7215 > fgraves@ekos.com > > > > https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/inheritance-tax-canada-1.4771304 > > An attempt to understand Canada's inheritance tax backlash: Don Pittis > Roar of objections to imposing death duties on Canadians may have complex > roots > > Don Pittis · CBC News · Posted: Aug 07, 2018 4:00 AM ET > > 291 Comments > > Steve Timmins > My blood, sweat and tears were for MY family not the government. I've > already paid my taxes on income. What's left is mine to decide what to > do with not some socialist who drools over it. > > > David Amos > @Steve Timmins "Anyone who thinks the CBC does not serve > conservative-leaning Canadians should look at the comments for a > recent online story about inheritance taxes." > > Methinks the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives think-tank should > have red my comments by now N'esy Pas? > > > > http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2017/02/re-fatca-nafta-tpp-etc-attn-president.html > > Tuesday, 14 February 2017 > > RE FATCA, NAFTA & TPP etc ATTN President Donald J. Trump I just got > off the phone with your lawyer Mr Cohen (646-853-0114) Why does he lie > to me after all this time??? > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Michael Cohen <mcohen@trumporg.com> > Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:15:14 +0000 > Subject: Automatic reply: RE FATCA ATTN Pierre-Luc.Dusseault I just > called and left a message for you > To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > Effective January 20, 2017, I have accepted the role as personal > counsel to President Donald J. Trump. All future emails should be > directed to mdcohen212@gmail.com and all future calls should be > directed to 646-853-0114. > ________________________________ > This communication is from The Trump Organization or an affiliate > thereof and is not sent on behalf of any other individual or entity. > This email may contain information that is confidential and/or > proprietary. Such information may not be read, disclosed, used, > copied, distributed or disseminated except (1) for use by the intended > recipient or (2) as expressly authorized by the sender. If you have > received this communication in error, please immediately delete it and > promptly notify the sender. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed > to be received, secure or error-free as emails could be intercepted, > corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late, incomplete, contain viruses > or otherwise. The Trump Organization and its affiliates do not > guarantee that all emails will be read and do not accept liability for > any errors or omissions in emails. Any views or opinions presented in > any email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of The Trump Organization or any of its > affiliates.Nothing in this communication is intended to operate as an > electronic signature under applicable law. > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 18:22:21 -0400 > Subject: Yo Bill Morneau before Trump causes the markets to crash > Methinks I should remind folks of the Bank of Canadas long lost > mandate, Harper's Bankster bail out 10 years ago and Trudeau The > Younger's recent Bankster Bail-In plan > To: "Bill.Morneau"<Bill.Morneau@canada.ca>, "Andrew.Bailey" > <Andrew.Bailey@fca.org.uk>, postur <postur@for.is>, postur > <postur@dmr.is>, postur <postur@irr.is>, smari <smari@immi.is>, > david@policyalternatives.ca, info@ipolitics.ca, > elizabeth.thompson@cbc.ca, michaelharris@ipolitics.ca, > KadyOMalley@ipolitics.ca, StephenMaher@ipolitics.ca, > info@canadachristiancollege.com, "zach.dubinsky" > <zach.dubinsky@cbc.ca> > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>, press > <press@bankofengland.co.uk>, "boris.johnson.mp" > <boris.johnson.mp@parliament.uk>, "herb.wiseman" > <herb.wiseman@gmail.com>, paul.slansky@bellnet.ca, > stuart@policyalternatives.ca, ccpa@policyalternatives.ca, > steve.silva@globalnews.ca, steve@stevesilva.ca, "David.Akin" > <David.Akin@globalnews.ca> > > Whereas nobody listens to me I will attempt to do so byway of other > people's words and videos. > > Does anyone recall this nonsense on Youtube 5 years ago when young > Justin was charging big bucks for speeches but having fun yapping it > up bigtime in malls for free? Obviously even bald mall guards loved > Trudeau "The Younger" back then Nesy Pas? > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTUyIDRIAXo > > Justin Trudeau: Fluoride/Bilderberg/Bank of Canada Are Conspiracy Theories > Terry Wilson > Published on Feb 8, 2013 > > > However this far important stuff was also put up on YouTube after it > appears CBC had aired it first and nobody seemed to care. > > Please note I truly do appreciate David MacDonald's work. However I am > very tired of his old buddies such as the turncoat NDP?Conservative > Dominic Cardy laughing at me while sending me butter tarts and talking > mindlessly of ardvarrks, puffins and pussy cats etc. > > > Study Reveals Secret Bailouts to Canadian Banks > 31,067 views > > LeakSourceCanada > Published on Apr 30, 2012 > 04/30/2012 > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K_N0uOXkQA&t=69s > > "Our politicians are on the global stage touting the soundness of > Canada's banking system, where at the same time three of Canada's > banks were at some point underwater." > > David Macdonald of the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives > explains the think tank's report that found Canadian banks received > secret bailouts during the 2008-2010 financial crisis. > > (PDF) The Big Banks' Big Secret: Estimating Government Support for > Canadian Banks During the Financial Crisis > http://www.policyalternatives.ca/site... > > http://LeakSource.wordpress.com > > > > Need I say that I contacted these NDP/union/beancounter/spindoctors long > ago? > > https://www.policyalternatives.ca/authors/david-macdonald > > https://www.policyalternatives.ca/newsroom/news-releases/record-breaking-ceo-pay-now-209-times-more-average-worker > > “Canada’s corporate executives were among the loudest critics of a new > fifteen dollar minimum wage in provinces like Ontario and Alberta, > meanwhile the highest paid among them were raking in record-breaking > earnings,” says the report’s author, CCPA Senior Economist David > Macdonald." > > Climbing Up and Kicking Down: Executive pay in Canada is available on > the CCPA website. For more information contact Alyssa O’Dell, CCPA > Media and Public Relations: 613-563-1341 x307, > alyssa@policyalternatives.ca or cell 343-998-7575. > > Here is a little proof of an email of mine from 2012 that the CCPA, > the NDP, the Conservatives, Dizzy Lizzy May, Trudeau "The Younger", > his many mindless minions and even YOU should recall N'esy Pas David > Akin? > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 13:09:54 -0400 > Subject: Fwd: RE Potash Corp, The NEB, Nexen, Pipelines and MP Nathan > Cullen > To: ccpa@policyalternatives.ca, "justin.trudeau.a1" > <justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca>, "marc.garneau.a1" > <marc.garneau.a1@parl.gc.ca> > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>, "dean.delmastro.c1" > <dean.delmastro.c1@parl.gc.ca>, leader <leader@greenparty.ca>, leader > <leader@greenparty.bc.ca>, "adrian.dix.mla"<adrian.dix.mla@leg.bc.ca> > > > That said > > > Does anyone remember what this crooked Bankster had to say to CBC the > following year before he split for a far fancier job in Not So Merry > Old England??? > > Bank 'bail-in' plan shouldn't worry Canadians, Carney says > Bank of Canada head says it's 'hard to fathom' Canadian deposits would > be touched > The Canadian Press Posted: Apr 18, 2013 5:03 PM ET > > http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bank-bail-in-plan-shouldn-t-worry-canadians-carney-says-1.1320808 > > > > Since then the Liebranos put the Bankster 'bail-in' plan in the books. > While CBC has played dumb lawyers and many others have had an opinion > about it. I for one particularly enjoy the ones I view on YouTube. > > So who is the liar of these two? an unnamed lawyer on the CBA website > who does not offer a name to back up its opinion or a biblepounder > that claims to be a "Dr" or both? > > FAQ: What is a “bail-in regime” and are my bank deposits safe? > > https://cba.ca/faq-what-is-a-bail-in-regime > > > > Trudeau's Bail-In Now Law to Allow Banks to Confiscate Your Deposits > 23,777 views > Canadian Times NEWS > Published on Aug 11, 2016 > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvZ5S-Jt6sw > > > Perhaps both the lawyer and the "Dr" may enjoy the email found within this > blog > I published today for their benefit > > Sunday, 21 January 2018 > > As soon as Mark Carney is appointed Govenor of the Bank of England I > get a call from the SEC (202 551 2000) > > http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2018/01/as-soon-as-mark-carney-is-appointed.html > > > > As far as the Bank of Canada lawsuit goes this stuff was published by CBC > > Rocco Galati and the lawsuit against the Bank of Canada > 40,691 views > CBC News > Published on May 8, 2015 > Colourful and controversial. Rocco Galati isn't your average advocate. > He's a kind of legal David, known for tangling with Goliath-sized > courtroom opponents. His peers seem to approve. Electing him to the > bench that oversees them. His latest case may his most contentious of > his career. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZuIKXXtQN0 > > > > > However I see no mention of the outcome this year except on YouTube. > > COMER VS BOC Final press conference > 1,564 views > Lawrence McCurry > Published on Jun 6, 2017 > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhHQvC76ZUE > > > > The Most Important Canadian Litigation Of The XXI Century: COMER vs > The Government Of Canada > 2,217 views > CounterBalanceToday > Published on Jun 7, 2017 > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPKvRm89jVU > > Recorded on June 3, 2017 at the COMER Press Conference in Rocco > Galati's Law Offices > > In my opinion this is one of the most important cases of the XXI > century in Canada about one of the biggest issues the world is facing > since the XX Century and that is the central banking control over > nations and the issue of money. > > "After nearly 5 ½ years of contentious litigation between the > Committee On Monetary and Economic Reform (COMER) and the Government > of Canada involving three separate Federal Court and two additional > Federal Court of Appeal hearings resulting in contrary decisions, on > May 4th, 2017, the Supreme Court of Canada dismissed COMER’s “leave” > (permission to appeal) application from the second judgment of the > Federal Court of Appeal. Following established practice, the federal > Supreme Court does NOT issue reasons when it dismisses a leave > application. > > The dismissal by the Supreme Court of the Leave application, means > only that the Court does not want to hear the appeal. The > jurisprudence on this is clear: it does not mean that the lower court > decisions are correct in law. The possible reasons for the Supreme > Court not wanting to hear the case are many and various, including the > washing of their hands or “deference” to the political process – > hence, this is why reasons are not issued by the Supreme Court in > leave dismissals. > > We believe that the case has ample legal merit, and should have > proceeded to trial. It is not uncommon for the Supreme Court to refuse > leave on a given issue multiple times, finally to grant leave, hear > the appeal and the case then succeeds. The Supreme Court controls its > own agenda, both in its timing and on the merits of issues it will or > will not hear. (Annually, fewer than 8 - 10% of all cases filed are > granted permission and heard at the Supreme Court of Canada.) > > It should be noted that throughout this arduous and expensive legal > process, the substance of this lawsuit initiated in the public > interest has not been addressed. (The matters raised by the lawsuit > are summarized in the attached original news release issued on > December 19, 2011.)" > > Source: http://mailchi.mp/8965d9cdbdb2/for-im... > > For more information about COMER and the brave people behind this > organization: > http://www.comer.org/ > > https://www.facebook.com/ComerPMP > > Other related project worth to check by Paul Heller: > http://www.canadianbankreformers.ca/ > > Recorded and edited by: > https://www.facebook.com/CounterBalan... > Apologies for my amateur recording and editing I had a limitation in > my old photographic camera, the video stops after a few minutes so I > missed a few milliseconds of audio in between the multiple videos that > I consolidated here. > > Feel Free to distribute share and download this important information. > Category > News & Politics > > Then lastly for comic relief there was the wicked LIEbrano Motion > M-103.and its purported attack on Free Speech. Lots of people had > their opinion on that topic so there is not much need of adding my two > bits worth particularly after Kellie Leitch, Brad Trost, Pierre > Lemieux, Chris Alexander, Faith Goldy, Ezzy Levant and their Christian > Zionist "Dr." McVety pal made a big splash in Toronto. It did no good > whatsoever. The motion passed easily by a vote of 201–91. However it > was non-binding so what was all the noice about anyway other than to > make Trudueau "The Younger" look like some kind of hero??? > > > > https://ipolitics.ca/2017/02/17/conservatives-may-pay-a-price-for-m-103-hysteria/ > > Conservatives may pay a price for M-103 hysteria > By Stephen Maher. Published on Feb 17, 2017 5:08pm > > > https://canadachristiancollege.com/ccc/ > > > 1,500 People Gather at Canada Christian College to Defend Free Speech > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJK37uG0bx8 > > Furthermore everybody knows most folks don't read anymore and all my > words only fall on deaf ears anyway. However at least I was correct > about the Pirate Party and the ERRE Committee in 2016 N'esy Pas Mr > Prime Minister Trudeau "The Younger"? > > > All that said need I remind folks I am about to mak an application to > the Supreme Court becaue of this wicked decision? Please enjoy > > > http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2017/11/federal-court-of-appeal-finally-makes.html > > Sunday, 19 November 2017 > > Federal Court of Appeal Finally Makes The BIG Decision And Publishes > It Now The Crooks Cannot Take Back Ticket To Try Put My Matter Before > The Supreme Court > > https://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/fca-caf/decisions/en/item/236679/index.do > > > Federal Court of Appeal Decisions > > Amos v. Canada > Court (s) Database > > Federal Court of Appeal Decisions > Date > > 2017-10-30 > Neutral citation > > 2017 FCA 213 > File numbers > > A-48-16 > Date: 20171030 > > Docket: A-48-16 > Citation: 2017 FCA 213 > CORAM: > > WEBB J.A. > NEAR J.A. > GLEASON J.A. > > > BETWEEN: > DAVID RAYMOND AMOS > Respondent on the cross-appeal > (and formally Appellant) > and > HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN > Appellant on the cross-appeal > (and formerly Respondent) > Heard at Fredericton, New Brunswick, on May 24, 2017. > Judgment delivered at Ottawa, Ontario, on October 30, 2017. > REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY: > > THE COURT > > > > Date: 20171030 > > Docket: A-48-16 > Citation: 2017 FCA 213 > CORAM: > > WEBB J.A. > NEAR J.A. > GLEASON J.A. > > > BETWEEN: > DAVID RAYMOND AMOS > Respondent on the cross-appeal > (and formally Appellant) > and > HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN > Appellant on the cross-appeal > (and formerly Respondent) > REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY THE COURT > > I. Introduction > > [1] On September 16, 2015, David Raymond Amos (Mr. Amos) > filed a 53-page Statement of Claim (the Claim) in Federal Court > against Her Majesty the Queen (the Crown). Mr. Amos claims $11 million > in damages and a public apology from the Prime Minister and Provincial > Premiers for being illegally barred from accessing parliamentary > properties and seeks a declaration from the Minister of Public Safety > that the Canadian Government will no longer allow the Royal Canadian > Mounted Police (RCMP) and Canadian Forces to harass him and his clan > (Claim at para. 96). > > [2] On November 12, 2015 (Docket T-1557-15), by way of a > motion brought by the Crown, a prothonotary of the Federal Court (the > Prothonotary) struck the Claim in its entirety, without leave to > amend, on the basis that it was plain and obvious that the Claim > disclosed no reasonable claim, the Claim was fundamentally vexatious, > and the Claim could not be salvaged by way of further amendment (the > Prothontary’s Order). > > > [3] On January 25, 2016 (2016 FC 93), by way of Mr. > Amos’ appeal from the Prothonotary’s Order, a judge of the Federal > Court (the Judge), reviewing the matter de novo, struck all of Mr. > Amos’ claims for relief with the exception of the claim for damages > for being barred by the RCMP from the New Brunswick legislature in > 2004 (the Federal Court Judgment). > > > [4] Mr. Amos appealed and the Crown cross-appealed the > Federal Court Judgment. Further to the issuance of a Notice of Status > Review, Mr. Amos’ appeal was dismissed for delay on December 19, 2016. > As such, the only matter before this Court is the Crown’s > cross-appeal. > > > II. Preliminary Matter > > [5] Mr. Amos, in his memorandum of fact and law in > relation to the cross-appeal that was filed with this Court on March > 6, 2017, indicated that several judges of this Court, including two of > the judges of this panel, had a conflict of interest in this appeal. > This was the first time that he identified the judges whom he believed > had a conflict of interest in a document that was filed with this > Court. In his notice of appeal he had alluded to a conflict with > several judges but did not name those judges. > > [6] Mr. Amos was of the view that he did not have to > identify the judges in any document filed with this Court because he > had identified the judges in various documents that had been filed > with the Federal Court. In his view the Federal Court and the Federal > Court of Appeal are the same court and therefore any document filed in > the Federal Court would be filed in this Court. This view is based on > subsections 5(4) and 5.1(4) of the Federal Courts Act, R.S.C., 1985, > c. F-7: > > > 5(4) Every judge of the Federal Court is, by virtue of his or her > office, a judge of the Federal Court of Appeal and has all the > jurisdiction, power and authority of a judge of the Federal Court of > Appeal. > […] > > 5(4) Les juges de la Cour fédérale sont d’office juges de la Cour > d’appel fédérale et ont la même compétence et les mêmes pouvoirs que > les juges de la Cour d’appel fédérale. > […] > 5.1(4) Every judge of the Federal Court of Appeal is, by virtue of > that office, a judge of the Federal Court and has all the > jurisdiction, power and authority of a judge of the Federal Court. > > 5.1(4) Les juges de la Cour d’appel fédérale sont d’office juges de la > Cour fédérale et ont la même compétence et les mêmes pouvoirs que les > juges de la Cour fédérale. > > > [7] However, these subsections only provide that the > judges of the Federal Court are also judges of this Court (and vice > versa). It does not mean that there is only one court. If the Federal > Court and this Court were one Court, there would be no need for this > section. > [8] Sections 3 and 4 of the Federal Courts Act provide that: > 3 The division of the Federal Court of Canada called the Federal Court > — Appeal Division is continued under the name “Federal Court of > Appeal” in English and “Cour d’appel fédérale” in French. It is > continued as an additional court of law, equity and admiralty in and > for Canada, for the better administration of the laws of Canada and as > a superior court of record having civil and criminal jurisdiction. > > 3 La Section d’appel, aussi appelée la Cour d’appel ou la Cour d’appel > fédérale, est maintenue et dénommée « Cour d’appel fédérale » en > français et « Federal Court of Appeal » en anglais. Elle est maintenue > à titre de tribunal additionnel de droit, d’equity et d’amirauté du > Canada, propre à améliorer l’application du droit canadien, et > continue d’être une cour supérieure d’archives ayant compétence en > matière civile et pénale. > 4 The division of the Federal Court of Canada called the Federal Court > — Trial Division is continued under the name “Federal Court” in > English and “Cour fédérale” in French. It is continued as an > additional court of law, equity and admiralty in and for Canada, for > the better administration of the laws of Canada and as a superior > court of record having civil and criminal jurisdiction. > > 4 La section de la Cour fédérale du Canada, appelée la Section de > première instance de la Cour fédérale, est maintenue et dénommée « > Cour fédérale » en français et « Federal Court » en anglais. Elle est > maintenue à titre de tribunal additionnel de droit, d’equity et > d’amirauté du Canada, propre à améliorer l’application du droit > canadien, et continue d’être une cour supérieure d’archives ayant > compétence en matière civile et pénale. > > > [9] Sections 3 and 4 of the Federal Courts Act create > two separate courts – this Court (section 3) and the Federal Court > (section 4). If, as Mr. Amos suggests, documents filed in the Federal > Court were automatically also filed in this Court, then there would no > need for the parties to prepare and file appeal books as required by > Rules 343 to 345 of the Federal Courts Rules, SOR/98-106 in relation > to any appeal from a decision of the Federal Court. The requirement to > file an appeal book with this Court in relation to an appeal from a > decision of the Federal Court makes it clear that the only documents > that will be before this Court are the documents that are part of that > appeal book. > > > [10] Therefore, the memorandum of fact and law filed on > March 6, 2017 is the first document, filed with this Court, in which > Mr. Amos identified the particular judges that he submits have a > conflict in any matter related to him. > > > [11] On April 3, 2017, Mr. Amos attempted to bring a motion > before the Federal Court seeking an order “affirming or denying the > conflict of interest he has” with a number of judges of the Federal > Court. A judge of the Federal Court issued a direction noting that if > Mr. Amos was seeking this order in relation to judges of the Federal > Court of Appeal, it was beyond the jurisdiction of the Federal Court. > Mr. Amos raised the Federal Court motion at the hearing of this > cross-appeal. The Federal Court motion is not a motion before this > Court and, as such, the submissions filed before the Federal Court > will not be entertained. As well, since this was a motion brought > before the Federal Court (and not this Court), any documents filed in > relation to that motion are not part of the record of this Court. > > > [12] During the hearing of the appeal Mr. Amos alleged that > the third member of this panel also had a conflict of interest and > submitted some documents that, in his view, supported his claim of a > conflict. Mr. Amos, following the hearing of his appeal, was also > afforded the opportunity to provide a brief summary of the conflict > that he was alleging and to file additional documents that, in his > view, supported his allegations. Mr. Amos submitted several pages of > documents in relation to the alleged conflicts. He organized the > documents by submitting a copy of the biography of the particular > judge and then, immediately following that biography, by including > copies of the documents that, in his view, supported his claim that > such judge had a conflict. > > > [13] The nature of the alleged conflict of Justice Webb is > that before he was appointed as a Judge of the Tax Court of Canada in > 2006, he was a partner with the law firm Patterson Law, and before > that with Patterson Palmer in Nova Scotia. Mr. Amos submitted that he > had a number of disputes with Patterson Palmer and Patterson Law and > therefore Justice Webb has a conflict simply because he was a partner > of these firms. Mr. Amos is not alleging that Justice Webb was > personally involved in or had any knowledge of any matter in which Mr. > Amos was involved with Justice Webb’s former law firm – only that he > was a member of such firm. > > > [14] During his oral submissions at the hearing of his > appeal Mr. Amos, in relation to the alleged conflict for Justice Webb, > focused on dealings between himself and a particular lawyer at > Patterson Law. However, none of the documents submitted by Mr. Amos at > the hearing or subsequently related to any dealings with this > particular lawyer nor is it clear when Mr. Amos was dealing with this > lawyer. In particular, it is far from clear whether such dealings were > after the time that Justice Webb was appointed as a Judge of the Tax > Court of Canada over 10 years ago. > > > [15] The documents that he submitted in relation to the > alleged conflict for Justice Webb largely relate to dealings between > Byron Prior and the St. John’s Newfoundland and Labrador office of > Patterson Palmer, which is not in the same province where Justice Webb > practiced law. The only document that indicates any dealing between > Mr. Amos and Patterson Palmer is a copy of an affidavit of Stephen May > who was a partner in the St. John’s NL office of Patterson Palmer. The > affidavit is dated January 24, 2005 and refers to a number of e-mails > that were sent by Mr. Amos to Stephen May. Mr. Amos also included a > letter that is addressed to four individuals, one of whom is John > Crosbie who was counsel to the St. John’s NL office of Patterson > Palmer. The letter is dated September 2, 2004 and is addressed to > “John Crosbie, c/o Greg G. Byrne, Suite 502, 570 Queen Street, > Fredericton, NB E3B 5E3”. In this letter Mr. Amos alludes to a > possible lawsuit against Patterson Palmer. > [16] Mr. Amos’ position is that simply because Justice Webb > was a lawyer with Patterson Palmer, he now has a conflict. In Wewaykum > Indian Band v. Her Majesty the Queen, 2003 SCC 45, [2003] 2 S.C.R. > 259, the Supreme Court of Canada noted that disqualification of a > judge is to be determined based on whether there is a reasonable > apprehension of bias: > 60 In Canadian law, one standard has now emerged as the > criterion for disqualification. The criterion, as expressed by de > Grandpré J. in Committee for Justice and Liberty v. National Energy > Board, …[[1978] 1 S.C.R. 369, 68 D.L.R. (3d) 716], at p. 394, is the > reasonable apprehension of bias: > … the apprehension of bias must be a reasonable one, held by > reasonable and right minded persons, applying themselves to the > question and obtaining thereon the required information. In the words > of the Court of Appeal, that test is "what would an informed person, > viewing the matter realistically and practically -- and having thought > the matter through -- conclude. Would he think that it is more likely > than not that [the decision-maker], whether consciously or > unconsciously, would not decide fairly." > > [17] The issue to be determined is whether an informed > person, viewing the matter realistically and practically, and having > thought the matter through, would conclude that Mr. Amos’ allegations > give rise to a reasonable apprehension of bias. As this Court has > previously remarked, “there is a strong presumption that judges will > administer justice impartially” and this presumption will not be > rebutted in the absence of “convincing evidence” of bias (Collins v. > Canada, 2011 FCA 140 at para. 7, [2011] 4 C.T.C. 157 [Collins]. See > also R. v. S. (R.D.), [1997] 3 S.C.R. 484 at para. 32, 151 D.L.R. > (4th) 193). > > [18] The Ontario Court of Appeal in Rando Drugs Ltd. v. > Scott, 2007 ONCA 553, 86 O.R. (3d) 653 (leave to appeal to the Supreme > Court of Canada refused, 32285 (August 1, 2007)), addressed the > particular issue of whether a judge is disqualified from hearing a > case simply because he had been a member of a law firm that was > involved in the litigation that was now before that judge. The Ontario > Court of Appeal determined that the judge was not disqualified if the > judge had no involvement with the person or the matter when he was a > lawyer. The Ontario Court of Appeal also explained that the rules for > determining whether a judge is disqualified are different from the > rules to determine whether a lawyer has a conflict: > 27 Thus, disqualification is not the natural corollary to a > finding that a trial judge has had some involvement in a case over > which he or she is now presiding. Where the judge had no involvement, > as here, it cannot be said that the judge is disqualified. > > > 28 The point can rightly be made that had Mr. Patterson been > asked to represent the appellant as counsel before his appointment to > the bench, the conflict rules would likely have prevented him from > taking the case because his firm had formerly represented one of the > defendants in the case. Thus, it is argued how is it that as a trial > judge Patterson J. can hear the case? This issue was considered by the > Court of Appeal (Civil Division) in Locabail (U.K.) Ltd. v. Bayfield > Properties Ltd., [2000] Q.B. 451. The court held, at para. 58, that > there is no inflexible rule governing the disqualification of a judge > and that, "[e]verything depends on the circumstances." > > > 29 It seems to me that what appears at first sight to be an > inconsistency in application of rules can be explained by the > different contexts and in particular, the strong presumption of > judicial impartiality that applies in the context of disqualification > of a judge. There is no such presumption in cases of allegations of > conflict of interest against a lawyer because of a firm's previous > involvement in the case. To the contrary, as explained by Sopinka J. > in MacDonald Estate v. Martin (1990), 77 D.L.R. (4th) 249 (S.C.C.), > for sound policy reasons there is a presumption of a disqualifying > interest that can rarely be overcome. In particular, a conclusory > statement from the lawyer that he or she had no confidential > information about the case will never be sufficient. The case is the > opposite where the allegation of bias is made against a trial judge. > His or her statement that he or she knew nothing about the case and > had no involvement in it will ordinarily be accepted at face value > unless there is good reason to doubt it: see Locabail, at para. 19. > > > 30 That brings me then to consider the particular circumstances > of this case and whether there are serious grounds to find a > disqualifying conflict of interest in this case. In my view, there are > two significant factors that justify the trial judge's decision not to > recuse himself. The first is his statement, which all parties accept, > that he knew nothing of the case when it was in his former firm and > that he had nothing to do with it. The second is the long passage of > time. As was said in Wewaykum, at para. 85: > To us, one significant factor stands out, and must inform > the perspective of the reasonable person assessing the impact of this > involvement on Binnie J.'s impartiality in the appeals. That factor is > the passage of time. Most arguments for disqualification rest on > circumstances that are either contemporaneous to the decision-making, > or that occurred within a short time prior to the decision-making. > 31 There are other factors that inform the issue. The Wilson > Walker firm no longer acted for any of the parties by the time of > trial. More importantly, at the time of the motion, Patterson J. had > been a judge for six years and thus had not had a relationship with > his former firm for a considerable period of time. > > > 32 In my view, a reasonable person, viewing the matter > realistically would conclude that the trial judge could deal fairly > and impartially with this case. I take this view principally because > of the long passage of time and the trial judge's lack of involvement > in or knowledge of the case when the Wilson Walker firm had carriage. > In these circumstances it cannot be reasonably contended that the > trial judge could not remain impartial in the case. The mere fact that > his name appears on the letterhead of some correspondence from over a > decade ago would not lead a reasonable person to believe that he would > either consciously or unconsciously favour his former firm's former > client. It is simply not realistic to think that a judge would throw > off his mantle of impartiality, ignore his oath of office and favour a > client - about whom he knew nothing - of a firm that he left six years > earlier and that no longer acts for the client, in a case involving > events from over a decade ago. > (emphasis added) > > [19] Justice Webb had no involvement with any matter > involving Mr. Amos while he was a member of Patterson Palmer or > Patterson Law, nor does Mr. Amos suggest that he did. Mr. Amos made it > clear during the hearing of this matter that the only reason for the > alleged conflict for Justice Webb was that he was a member of > Patterson Law and Patterson Palmer. This is simply not enough for > Justice Webb to be disqualified. Any involvement of Mr. Amos with > Patterson Law while Justice Webb was a member of that firm would have > had to occur over 10 years ago and even longer for the time when he > was a member of Patterson Palmer. In addition to the lack of any > involvement on his part with any matter or dispute that Mr. Amos had > with Patterson Law or Patterson Palmer (which in and of itself is > sufficient to dispose of this matter), the length of time since > Justice Webb was a member of Patterson Law or Patterson Palmer would > also result in the same finding – that there is no conflict in Justice > Webb hearing this appeal. > > [20] Similarly in R. v. Bagot, 2000 MBCA 30, 145 Man. R. > (2d) 260, the Manitoba Court of Appeal found that there was no > reasonable apprehension of bias when a judge, who had been a member of > the law firm that had been retained by the accused, had no involvement > with the accused while he was a lawyer with that firm. > > [21] In Del Zotto v. Minister of National Revenue, [2000] 4 > F.C. 321, 257 N.R. 96, this court did find that there would be a > reasonable apprehension of bias where a judge, who while he was a > lawyer, had recorded time on a matter involving the same person who > was before that judge. However, this case can be distinguished as > Justice Webb did not have any time recorded on any files involving Mr. > Amos while he was a lawyer with Patterson Palmer or Patterson Law. > > [22] Mr. Amos also included with his submissions a CD. He > stated in his affidavit dated June 26, 2017 that there is a “true copy > of an American police surveillance wiretap entitled 139” on this CD. > He has also indicated that he has “provided a true copy of the CD > entitled 139 to many American and Canadian law enforcement authorities > and not one of the police forces or officers of the court are willing > to investigate it”. Since he has indicated that this is an “American > police surveillance wiretap”, this is a matter for the American law > enforcement authorities and cannot create, as Mr. Amos suggests, a > conflict of interest for any judge to whom he provides a copy. > > [23] As a result, there is no conflict or reasonable > apprehension of bias for Justice Webb and therefore, no reason for him > to recuse himself. > > [24] Mr. Amos alleged that Justice Near’s past professional > experience with the government created a “quasi-conflict” in deciding > the cross-appeal. Mr. Amos provided no details and Justice Near > confirmed that he had no prior knowledge of the matters alleged in the > Claim. Justice Near sees no reason to recuse himself. > > [25] Insofar as it is possible to glean the basis for Mr. > Amos’ allegations against Justice Gleason, it appears that he alleges > that she is incapable of hearing this appeal because he says he wrote > a letter to Brian Mulroney and Jean Chrétien in 2004. At that time, > both Justice Gleason and Mr. Mulroney were partners in the law firm > Ogilvy Renault, LLP. The letter in question, which is rude and angry, > begins with “Hey you two Evil Old Smiling Bastards” and “Re: me suing > you and your little dogs too”. There is no indication that the letter > was ever responded to or that a law suit was ever commenced by Mr. > Amos against Mr. Mulroney. In the circumstances, there is no reason > for Justice Gleason to recuse herself as the letter in question does > not give rise to a reasonable apprehension of bias. > > > III. Issue > > [26] The issue on the cross-appeal is as follows: Did the > Judge err in setting aside the Prothonotary’s Order striking the Claim > in its entirety without leave to amend and in determining that Mr. > Amos’ allegation that the RCMP barred him from the New Brunswick > legislature in 2004 was capable of supporting a cause of action? > > IV. Analysis > > A. Standard of Review > > [27] Following the Judge’s decision to set aside the > Prothonotary’s Order, this Court revisited the standard of review to > be applied to discretionary decisions of prothonotaries and decisions > made by judges on appeals of prothonotaries’ decisions in Hospira > Healthcare Corp. v. Kennedy Institute of Rheumatology, 2016 FCA 215, > 402 D.L.R. (4th) 497 [Hospira]. In Hospira, a five-member panel of > this Court replaced the Aqua-Gem standard of review with that > articulated in Housen v. Nikolaisen, 2002 SCC 33, [2002] 2 S.C.R. 235 > [Housen]. As a result, it is no longer appropriate for the Federal > Court to conduct a de novo review of a discretionary order made by a > prothonotary in regard to questions vital to the final issue of the > case. Rather, a Federal Court judge can only intervene on appeal if > the prothonotary made an error of law or a palpable and overriding > error in determining a question of fact or question of mixed fact and > law (Hospira at para. 79). Further, this Court can only interfere with > a Federal Court judge’s review of a prothonotary’s discretionary order > if the judge made an error of law or palpable and overriding error in > determining a question of fact or question of mixed fact and law > (Hospira at paras. 82-83). > > [28] In the case at bar, the Judge substituted his own > assessment of Mr. Amos’ Claim for that of the Prothonotary. This Court > must look to the Prothonotary’s Order to determine whether the Judge > erred in law or made a palpable and overriding error in choosing to > interfere. > > > B. Did the Judge err in interfering with the > Prothonotary’s Order? > > [29] The Prothontoary’s Order accepted the following > paragraphs from the Crown’s submissions as the basis for striking the > Claim in its entirety without leave to amend: > > 17. Within the 96 paragraph Statement of Claim, the Plaintiff > addresses his complaint in paragraphs 14-24, inclusive. All but four > of those paragraphs are dedicated to an incident that occurred in 2006 > in and around the legislature in New Brunswick. The jurisdiction of > the Federal Court does not extend to Her Majesty the Queen in right of > the Provinces. In any event, the Plaintiff hasn’t named the Province > or provincial actors as parties to this action. The incident alleged > does not give rise to a justiciable cause of action in this Court. > (…) > > > 21. The few paragraphs that directly address the Defendant > provide no details as to the individuals involved or the location of > the alleged incidents or other details sufficient to allow the > Defendant to respond. As a result, it is difficult or impossible to > determine the causes of action the Plaintiff is attempting to advance. > A generous reading of the Statement of Claim allows the Defendant to > only speculate as to the true and/or intended cause of action. At > best, the Plaintiff’s action may possibly be summarized as: he > suspects he is barred from the House of Commons. > [footnotes omitted]. > > > [30] The Judge determined that he could not strike the Claim > on the same jurisdictional basis as the Prothonotary. The Judge noted > that the Federal Court has jurisdiction over claims based on the > liability of Federal Crown servants like the RCMP and that the actors > who barred Mr. Amos from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004 > included the RCMP (Federal Court Judgment at para. 23). In considering > the viability of these allegations de novo, the Judge identified > paragraph 14 of the Claim as containing “some precision” as it > identifies the date of the event and a RCMP officer acting as > Aide-de-Camp to the Lieutenant Governor (Federal Court Judgment at > para. 27). > > > [31] The Judge noted that the 2004 event could support a > cause of action in the tort of misfeasance in public office and > identified the elements of the tort as excerpted from Meigs v. Canada, > 2013 FC 389, 431 F.T.R. 111: > > > [13] As in both the cases of Odhavji Estate v Woodhouse, 2003 SCC > 69 [Odhavji] and Lewis v Canada, 2012 FC 1514 [Lewis], I must > determine whether the plaintiffs’ statement of claim pleads each > element of the alleged tort of misfeasance in public office: > > a) The public officer must have engaged in deliberate and unlawful > conduct in his or her capacity as public officer; > > b) The public officer must have been aware both that his or her > conduct was unlawful and that it was likely to harm the plaintiff; and > > c) There must be an element of bad faith or dishonesty by the public > officer and knowledge of harm alone is insufficient to conclude that a > public officer acted in bad faith or dishonestly. > Odhavji, above, at paras 23, 24 and 28 > (Federal Court Judgment at para. 28). > > [32] The Judge determined that Mr. Amos disclosed sufficient > material facts to meet the elements of the tort of misfeasance in > public office because the actors, who barred him from the New > Brunswick legislature in 2004, including the RCMP, did so for > “political reasons” (Federal Court Judgment at para. 29). > > [33] This Court’s discussion of the sufficiency of pleadings > in Merchant Law Group v. Canada (Revenue Agency), 2010 FCA 184, 321 > D.L.R (4th) 301 is particularly apt: > > …When pleading bad faith or abuse of power, it is not enough to > assert, baldly, conclusory phrases such as “deliberately or > negligently,” “callous disregard,” or “by fraud and theft did steal”. > “The bare assertion of a conclusion upon which the court is called > upon to pronounce is not an allegation of material fact”. Making bald, > conclusory allegations without any evidentiary foundation is an abuse > of process… > > To this, I would add that the tort of misfeasance in public office > requires a particular state of mind of a public officer in carrying > out the impunged action, i.e., deliberate conduct which the public > officer knows to be inconsistent with the obligations of his or her > office. For this tort, particularization of the allegations is > mandatory. Rule 181 specifically requires particularization of > allegations of “breach of trust,” “wilful default,” “state of mind of > a person,” “malice” or “fraudulent intention.” > (at paras. 34-35, citations omitted). > > [34] Applying the Housen standard of review to the > Prothonotary’s Order, we are of the view that the Judge interfered > absent a legal or palpable and overriding error. > > [35] The Prothonotary determined that Mr. Amos’ Claim > disclosed no reasonable claim and was fundamentally vexatious on the > basis of jurisdictional concerns and the absence of material facts to > ground a cause of action. Paragraph 14 of the Claim, which addresses > the 2004 event, pleads no material facts as to how the RCMP officer > engaged in deliberate and unlawful conduct, knew that his or her > conduct was unlawful and likely to harm Mr. Amos, and acted in bad > faith. While the Claim alleges elsewhere that Mr. Amos was barred from > the New Brunswick legislature for political and/or malicious reasons, > these allegations are not particularized and are directed against > non-federal actors, such as the Sergeant-at-Arms of the Legislative > Assembly of New Brunswick and the Fredericton Police Force. As such, > the Judge erred in determining that Mr. Amos’ allegation that the RCMP > barred him from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004 was capable of > supporting a cause of action. > > [36] In our view, the Claim is made up entirely of bare > allegations, devoid of any detail, such that it discloses no > reasonable cause of action within the jurisdiction of the Federal > Courts. Therefore, the Judge erred in interfering to set aside the > Prothonotary’s Order striking the claim in its entirety. Further, we > find that the Prothonotary made no error in denying leave to amend. > The deficiencies in Mr. Amos’ pleadings are so extensive such that > amendment could not cure them (see Collins at para. 26). > > V. Conclusion > [37] For the foregoing reasons, we would allow the Crown’s > cross-appeal, with costs, setting aside the Federal Court Judgment, > dated January 25, 2016 and restoring the Prothonotary’s Order, dated > November 12, 2015, which struck Mr. Amos’ Claim in its entirety > without leave to amend. > "Wyman W. Webb" > J.A. > "David G. Near" > J.A. > "Mary J.L. Gleason" > J.A. > > > > FEDERAL COURT OF APPEAL > NAMES OF COUNSEL AND SOLICITORS OF RECORD > > A CROSS-APPEAL FROM AN ORDER OF THE HONOURABLE JUSTICE SOUTHCOTT DATED > JANUARY 25, 2016; DOCKET NUMBER T-1557-15. > DOCKET: > > A-48-16 > > > > STYLE OF CAUSE: > > DAVID RAYMOND AMOS v. HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN > > > > PLACE OF HEARING: > > Fredericton, > New Brunswick > > DATE OF HEARING: > > May 24, 2017 > > REASONS FOR JUDGMENT OF THE COURT BY: > > WEBB J.A. > NEAR J.A. > GLEASON J.A. > > DATED: > > October 30, 2017 > > > > > > APPEARANCES: > David Raymond Amos > > > For The Appellant / respondent on cross-appeal > (on his own behalf) > > Jan Jensen > > > For The Respondent / appELLANT ON CROSS-APPEAL > > SOLICITORS OF RECORD: > Nathalie G. Drouin > Deputy Attorney General of Canada > > For The Respondent / APPELLANT ON CROSS-APPEAL > > > > http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2017/12/attn-simon-fish-of-bmo-and-robert.html > > > Thursday, 21 December 2017 > > Attn Simon Fish of the BMO and Robert Kennedy of Dentons I just called > from 902 800 0369 Play dumb all you wish The BMO has had my documents > for years > > https://www.scribd.com/document/367699089/The-Scotia-Bank-and-The-Bank-of-Montreal > > https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right > > > While I was publishing this in my blog the lawyer Bobby Baby Kennedy called > back from (416) 846-6598 and played as dumb. Hell he even claimed that he > did not know who Frank McKenna was No partner even a lowly collection > dude within Dentons is allowed to be THAT stupid. > > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com >> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:32:09 -0400 >> Subject: Attn Integrity Commissioner Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C., >> To: coi@gnb.ca >> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com >> >> Good Day Sir >> >> After I heard you speak on CBC I called your office again and managed >> to speak to one of your staff for the first time >> >> Please find attached the documents I promised to send to the lady who >> answered the phone this morning. Please notice that not after the Sgt >> at Arms took the documents destined to your office his pal Tanker >> Malley barred me in writing with an "English" only document. >> >> These are the hearings and the dockets in Federal Court that I >> suggested that you study closely. >> >> This is the docket in Federal Court >> >> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=T-1557-15&select_court=T >> >> These are digital recordings of the last three hearings >> >> Dec 14th https://archive.org/details/BahHumbug >> >> January 11th, 2016 https://archive.org/details/Jan11th2015 >> >> April 3rd, 2017 >> >> https://archive.org/details/April32017JusticeLeblancHearing >> >>
>> >> This is the docket in the Federal Court of Appeal >> >> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=A-48-16&select_court=All >> >> >> The only hearing thus far >> >> May 24th, 2017 >> >> https://archive.org/details/May24thHoedown >> >> >> This Judge understnds the meaning of the word Integrity >> >> Date: 20151223 >> >> Docket: T-1557-15 >> >> Fredericton, New Brunswick, December 23, 2015 >> >> PRESENT: The Honourable Mr. Justice Bell >> >> BETWEEN: >> >> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS >> >> Plaintiff >> >> and >> >> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN >> >> Defendant >> >> ORDER >> >> (Delivered orally from the Bench in Fredericton, New Brunswick, on >> December 14, 2015) >> >> The Plaintiff seeks an appeal de novo, by way of motion pursuant to >> the Federal Courts Rules (SOR/98-106), from an Order made on November >> 12, 2015, in which Prothonotary Morneau struck the Statement of Claim >> in its entirety. >> >> At the outset of the hearing, the Plaintiff brought to my attention a >> letter dated September 10, 2004, which he sent to me, in my then >> capacity as Past President of the New Brunswick Branch of the Canadian >> Bar Association, and the then President of the Branch, Kathleen Quigg, >> (now a Justice of the New Brunswick Court of Appeal). In that letter >> he stated: >> >> As for your past President, Mr. Bell, may I suggest that you check the >> work of Frank McKenna before I sue your entire law firm including you. >> You are your brother’s keeper. >> >> Frank McKenna is the former Premier of New Brunswick and a former >> colleague of mine at the law firm of McInnes Cooper. In addition to >> expressing an intention to sue me, the Plaintiff refers to a number of >> people in his Motion Record who he appears to contend may be witnesses >> or potential parties to be added. Those individuals who are known to >> me personally, include, but are not limited to the former Prime >> Minister of Canada, The Right Honourable Stephen Harper; former >> Attorney General of Canada and now a Justice of the Manitoba Court of >> Queen’s Bench, Vic Toews; former member of Parliament Rob Moore; >> former Director of Policing Services, the late Grant Garneau; former >> Chief of the Fredericton Police Force, Barry McKnight; former Staff >> Sergeant Danny Copp; my former colleagues on the New Brunswick Court >> of Appeal, Justices Bradley V. Green and Kathleen Quigg, and, retired >> Assistant Commissioner Wayne Lang of the Royal Canadian Mounted >> Police. >> >> In the circumstances, given the threat in 2004 to sue me in my >> personal capacity and my past and present relationship with many >> potential witnesses and/or potential parties to the litigation, I am >> of the view there would be a reasonable apprehension of bias should I >> hear this motion. See Justice de Grandpré’s dissenting judgment in >> Committee for Justice and Liberty et al v National Energy Board et al, >> [1978] 1 SCR 369 at p 394 for the applicable test regarding >> allegations of bias. In the circumstances, although neither party has >> requested I recuse myself, I consider it appropriate that I do so. >> >> >> AS A RESULT OF MY RECUSAL, THIS COURT ORDERS that the Administrator of >> the Court schedule another date for the hearing of the motion. There >> is no order as to costs. >> >> “B. Richard Bell” >> Judge >> >> >> Below after the CBC article about your concerns (I made one comment >> already) you will find the text of just two of many emails I had sent >> to your office over the years since I first visited it in 2006. >> >> I noticed that on July 30, 2009, he was appointed to the the Court >> Martial Appeal Court of Canada Perhaps you should scroll to the >> bottom of this email ASAP and read the entire Paragraph 83 of my >> lawsuit now before the Federal Court of Canada? >> >> "FYI This is the text of the lawsuit that should interest Trudeau the >> most >> >> >> ---------- Original message ---------- >> From: justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca >> Date: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:18 PM >> Subject: Réponse automatique : RE My complaint against the CROWN in >> Federal Court Attn David Hansen and Peter MacKay If you planning to >> submit a motion for a publication ban on my complaint trust that you >> dudes are way past too late >> To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com >> >> Veuillez noter que j'ai changé de courriel. Vous pouvez me rejoindre à >> lalanthier@hotmail.com >> >> Pour rejoindre le bureau de M. Trudeau veuillez envoyer un courriel à >> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca >> >> Please note that I changed email address, you can reach me at >> lalanthier@hotmail.com >> >> To reach the office of Mr. Trudeau please send an email to >> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca >> >> Thank you, >> >> Merci , >> >> >> http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2015/09/v-behaviorurldefaultvmlo.html >> >> >> 83. The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war >> in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to >> allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over >> five years after he began his bragging: >> >> January 13, 2015 >> This Is Just AS Relevant Now As When I wrote It During The Debate >> >> December 8, 2014 >> Why Canada Stood Tall! >> >> Friday, October 3, 2014 >> Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And >> Stupid Justin Trudeau >> >> Canada’s and Canadians free ride is over. Canada can no longer hide >> behind Amerka’s and NATO’s skirts. >> >> When I was still in Canadian Forces then Prime Minister Jean Chretien >> actually committed the Canadian Army to deploy in the second campaign >> in Iraq, the Coalition of the Willing. This was against or contrary to >> the wisdom or advice of those of us Canadian officers that were >> involved in the initial planning phases of that operation. There were >> significant concern in our planning cell, and NDHQ about of the dearth >> of concern for operational guidance, direction, and forces for >> operations after the initial occupation of Iraq. At the “last minute” >> Prime Minister Chretien and the Liberal government changed its mind. >> The Canadian government told our amerkan cousins that we would not >> deploy combat troops for the Iraq campaign, but would deploy a >> Canadian Battle Group to Afghanistan, enabling our amerkan cousins to >> redeploy troops from there to Iraq. The PMO’s thinking that it was >> less costly to deploy Canadian Forces to Afghanistan than Iraq. But >> alas no one seems to remind the Liberals of Prime Minister Chretien’s >> then grossly incorrect assumption. Notwithstanding Jean Chretien’s >> incompetence and stupidity, the Canadian Army was heroic, >> professional, punched well above it’s weight, and the PPCLI Battle >> Group, is credited with “saving Afghanistan” during the Panjway >> campaign of 2006. >> >> What Justin Trudeau and the Liberals don’t tell you now, is that then >> Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien committed, and deployed the >> Canadian army to Canada’s longest “war” without the advice, consent, >> support, or vote of the Canadian Parliament. >> >> What David Amos and the rest of the ignorant, uneducated, and babbling >> chattering classes are too addled to understand is the deployment of >> less than 75 special operations troops, and what is known by planners >> as a “six pac cell” of fighter aircraft is NOT the same as a >> deployment of a Battle Group, nor a “war” make. >> >> The Canadian Government or The Crown unlike our amerkan cousins have >> the “constitutional authority” to commit the Canadian nation to war. >> That has been recently clearly articulated to the Canadian public by >> constitutional scholar Phillippe Legasse. What Parliament can do is >> remove “confidence” in The Crown’s Government in a “vote of >> non-confidence.” That could not happen to the Chretien Government >> regarding deployment to Afghanistan, and it won’t happen in this >> instance with the conservative majority in The Commons regarding a >> limited Canadian deployment to the Middle East. >> >> President George Bush was quite correct after 911 and the terror >> attacks in New York; that the Taliban “occupied” and “failed state” >> Afghanistan was the source of logistical support, command and control, >> and training for the Al Quaeda war of terror against the world. The >> initial defeat, and removal from control of Afghanistan was vital and >> >> P.S. Whereas this CBC article is about your opinion of the actions of >> the latest Minister Of Health trust that Mr Boudreau and the CBC have >> had my files for many years and the last thing they are is ethical. >> Ask his friends Mr Murphy and the RCMP if you don't believe me. >> >> Subject: >> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:35 -0400 >> From: "Murphy, Michael B. \(DH/MS\)"MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca >> To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com >> >> January 30, 2007 >> >> WITHOUT PREJUDICE >> >> Mr. David Amos >> >> Dear Mr. Amos: >> >> This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29, >> 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP. >> >> Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have >> taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve >> Graham of the RCMP “J” Division in Fredericton. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Honourable Michael B. Murphy >> Minister of Health >> >> CM/cb >> >> >> Warren McBeath warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote: >> >> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:34:53 -0500 >> From: "Warren McBeath"warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca >> To: kilgoursite@ca.inter.net, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca, >> nada.sarkis@gnb.ca, wally.stiles@gnb.ca, dwatch@web.net, >> motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com >> CC: ottawa@chuckstrahl.com, riding@chuckstrahl.com,John.Foran@gnb.ca, >> Oda.B@parl.gc.ca,"Bev BUSSON"bev.busson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, >> "Paul Dube"PAUL.DUBE@rcmp-grc.gc.ca >> Subject: Re: Remember me Kilgour? Landslide Annie McLellan has >> forgotten me but the crooks within the RCMP have not >> >> Dear Mr. Amos, >> >> Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off >> over the holidays and returned to work this evening. Rest assured I >> was not ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns. >> >> As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our position >> is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process >> testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the >> Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these >> services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this >> instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done. >> >> As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false >> imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear >> that Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada >> the US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment >> and policing in Petitcodiac, NB. >> >> It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on >> December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Warren McBeath, Cpl. >> GRC Caledonia RCMP >> Traffic Services NCO >> Ph: (506) 387-2222 >> Fax: (506) 387-4622 >> E-mail warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca >> >> >> >> Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C., >> Office of the Integrity Commissioner >> Edgecombe House, 736 King Street >> Fredericton, N.B. CANADA E3B 5H1 >> tel.: 506-457-7890 >> fax: 506-444-5224 >> e-mail:coi@gnb.ca >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com >> Date: Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:35 AM >> Subject: RE My complaint against the CROWN in Federal Court Attn David >> Hansen and Peter MacKay If you planning to submit a motion for a >> publication ban on my complaint trust that you dudes are way past too >> late >> To: David.Hansen@justice.gc.ca, peter.mackay@justice.gc.ca >> peacock.kurt@telegraphjournal.com, mclaughlin.heather@dailygleaner.com, >> david.akin@sunmedia.ca, robert.frater@justice.gc.ca, >> paul.riley@ppsc-sppc.gc.ca, >> greg@gregdelbigio.com, joyce.dewitt-vanoosten@gov.bc.ca, >> joan.barrett@ontario.ca, jean-vincent.lacroix@gouv.qc.ca, >> peter.rogers@mcinnescooper.com > , mfeder@mccarthy.ca, mjamal@osler.com >> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, gopublic@cbc.ca, >> Whistleblower@ctv.ca >> >> https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/14439/index.do >> >> http://www.scc-csc.gc.ca/WebDocuments-DocumentsWeb/35072/FM030_Respondent_Attorney-General-of-Canada-on-Behalf-of-the-United-States-of-America.pdf >> >> http://thedavidamosrant.blogspot.ca/2013/10/re-glen-greenwald-and-brazilian.html >> >> I repeat what the Hell do I do with the Yankee wiretapes taps sell >> them on Ebay or listen to them and argue them with you dudes in >> Feferal Court? >> >> Petey Baby loses all parliamentary privelges in less than a month but >> he still supposed to be an ethical officer of the Court CORRECT? >> >> Veritas Vincit >> David Raymond Amos >> 902 800 0369 >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com >> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:10:14 -0400 >> Subject: Yo Mr Bauer say hey to your client Obama and his buddies in >> the USDOJ for me will ya? >> To: RBauer@perkinscoie.com, sshimshak@paulweiss.com, >> cspada@lswlaw.com, msmith@svlaw.com, bginsberg@pattonboggs.com, >> gregory.craig@skadden.com, pm@pm.gc.ca, bob.paulson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, >> bob.rae@rogers.blackberry.net, MulcaT@parl.gc.ca, leader@greenparty.ca >> Cc: alevine@cooley.com, david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, >> michael.rothfeld@wsj.com, remery@ecbalaw.com >> >> QSLS Politics >> By Location Visit Detail >> Visit 29,419 >> Domain Name usdoj.gov ? (U.S. Government) >> IP Address 149.101.1.# (US Dept of Justice) >> ISP US Dept of Justice >> Location Continent : North America >> Country : United States (Facts) >> State : District of Columbia >> City : Washington >> Lat/Long : 38.9097, -77.0231 (Map) >> Language English (U.S.) en-us >> Operating System Microsoft WinXP >> Browser Internet Explorer 8.0 >> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; .NET >> CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; InfoPath.2; >> DI60SP1001) >> Javascript version 1.3 >> Monitor Resolution : 1024 x 768 >> Color Depth : 32 bits >> Time of Visit Nov 17 2012 6:33:08 pm >> Last Page View Nov 17 2012 6:33:08 pm >> Visit Length 0 seconds >> Page Views 1 >> Referring URL http://www.google.co...wwWJrm94lCEqRmovPXJg >> Search Engine google.com >> Search Words david amos bernie madoff >> Visit Entry Page http://qslspolitics....-wendy-olsen-on.html >> Visit Exit Page http://qslspolitics....-wendy-olsen-on.html >> Out Click >> Time Zone UTC-5:00 >> Visitor's Time Nov 17 2012 12:33:08 pm >> Visit Number 29,419 >> >> http://qslspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/03/david-amos-to-wendy-olsen-on.html >> >> >> Could ya tell I am investigating your pension plan bigtime? Its >> because no member of the RCMP I have ever encountered has earned it yet >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com >> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:36:04 -0400 >> Subject: This is a brief as I can make my concerns Randy >> To: randyedmunds@gov.nl.ca >> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com >> >> In a nutshell my concerns about the actions of the Investment Industry >> affect the interests of every person in every district of every >> country not just the USA and Canada. I was offering to help you with >> Emera because my work with them and Danny Williams is well known and >> some of it is over eight years old and in the PUBLIC Record. >> >> All you have to do is stand in the Legislature and ask the MInister of >> Justice why I have been invited to sue Newfoundland by the >> Conservatives >> >> >> Obviously I am the guy the USDOJ and the SEC would not name who is the >> link to Madoff and Putnam Investments >> >> Here is why >> >> http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Hearings.Hearing&Hearing_ID=90f8e691-9065-4f8c-a465-72722b47e7f2 >> >> Notice the transcripts and webcasts of the hearing of the US Senate >> Banking Commitee are still missing? Mr Emory should at least notice >> Eliot Spitzer and the Dates around November 20th, 2003 in the >> following file >> >> http://www.checktheevidence.com/pdf/2526023-DAMOSIntegrity-yea-right.-txt.pdf >> >> http://occupywallst.org/users/DavidRaymondAmos/ >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: "Hansen, David"David.Hansen@justice.gc.ca >> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 19:28:44 +0000 >> Subject: RE: I just called again Mr Hansen >> To: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com >> >> Hello Mr. Amos, >> >> I manage the Justice Canada civil litigation section in the Atlantic >> region. We are only responsible for litigating existing civil >> litigation files in which the Attorney General of Canada is a named >> defendant or plaintiff. If you are a plaintiff or defendant in an >> existing civil litigation matter in the Atlantic region in which >> Attorney General of Canada is a named defendant or plaintiff please >> provide the court file number, the names of the parties in the action >> and your question. I am not the appropriate contact for other >> matters. >> >> Thanks >> >> David A. Hansen >> Regional Director | Directeur régional >> General Counsel |Avocat général >> Civil Litigation and Advisory | Contentieux des affaires civiles et >> services de consultation >> Department of Justice | Ministère de la Justice >> Suite 1400 – Duke Tower | Pièce 1400 – Tour Duke >> 5251 Duke Street | 5251 rue Duke >> Halifax, Nova Scotia | Halifax, Nouvelle- Écosse >> B3J 1P3 >> david.hansen@justice.gc.ca >> Telephone | Téléphone (902) 426-3261 / Facsimile | Télécopieur (902) >> 426-2329 >> This e-mail is confidential and may be protected by solicitor-client >> privilege. Unauthorized distribution or disclosure is prohibited. If >> you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us and delete >> this entire e-mail. >> Before printing think about the Environment >> Thinking Green, please do not print this e-mail unless necessary. >> Pensez vert, svp imprimez que si nécessaire. >> >> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com >>> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 02:23:24 -0300 >>> Subject: ATTN FBI Special Agent Richard Deslauriers Have you talked to >>> your buddies Fred Wyshak and Brian Kelly about the wiretap tapes YET? >>> To: boston@ic.fbi.gov, washington.field@ic.fbi.gov, >>> bob.paulson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, Kevin.leahy@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, >>> Brian.Kelly@usdoj.gov, us.marshals@usdoj.gov, Fred.Wyshak@usdoj.gov, >>> jcarney@carneybassil.com, bbachrach@bachrachlaw.net >>> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, birgittaj@althingi.is, >>> shmurphy@globe.com, redicecreations@gmail.com >>> >>> FBI Boston >>> One Center Plaza >>> Suite 600 >>> Boston, MA 02108 >>> Phone: (617) 742-5533 >>> Fax: (617) 223-6327 >>> E-mail: Boston@ic.fbi.gov >>> >>> Hours >>> Although we operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week, our normal >>> "walk-in" business hours are from 8:15 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., Monday >>> through Friday. If you need to speak with a FBI representative at any >>> time other than during normal business hours, please telephone our >>> office at (617) 742-5533. >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com >>> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 01:20:20 -0300 >>> Subject: Yo Fred Wyshak and Brian Kelly your buddy Whitey's trial is >>> finally underway now correct? What the hell do I do with the wiretap >>> tapes Sell them on Ebay? >>> To: Brian.Kelly@usdoj.gov, us.marshals@usdoj.gov, >>> Fred.Wyshak@usdoj.gov, jcarney@carneybassil.com, >>> bbachrach@bachrachlaw.net, wolfheartlodge@live.com, shmurphy@globe.com, >>> >> jonathan.albano@bingham.com, mvalencia@globe.com >>> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, oldmaison@yahoo.com, >>> PATRICK.MURPHY@dhs.gov, rounappletree@aol.com >>> >>> http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/06/05/james-whitey-bulger-jury-selection-process-enters-second-day/KjS80ofyMMM5IkByK74bkK/story.html >>> >>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/06/09/nsa-leak-guardian.html >>> >>> As the CBC etc yap about Yankee wiretaps and whistleblowers I must ask >>> them the obvious question AIN'T THEY FORGETTING SOMETHING???? >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vugUalUO8YY >>> >>> What the hell does the media think my Yankee lawyer served upon the >>> USDOJ right after I ran for and seat in the 39th Parliament baseball >>> cards? >>> >>> http://www.archive.org/details/FedsUsTreasuryDeptRcmpEtc >>> >>> http://archive.org/details/ITriedToExplainItToAllMaritimersInEarly2006 >>> >>> http://davidamos.blogspot.ca/2006/05/wiretap-tapes-impeach-bush.html >>> >>> http://www.archive.org/details/PoliceSurveilanceWiretapTape139 >>> >>> http://archive.org/details/Part1WiretapTape143 >>> >>> FEDERAL EXPRES February 7, 2006 >>> Senator Arlen Specter >>> United States Senate >>> Committee on the Judiciary >>> 224 Dirksen Senate Office Building >>> Washington, DC 20510 >>> >>> Dear Mr. Specter: >>> >>> I have been asked to forward the enclosed tapes to you from a man >>> named, David Amos, a Canadian citizen, in connection with the matters >>> raised in the attached letter. >>> >>> Mr. Amos has represented to me that these are illegal FBI wire tap >>> tapes. >>> >>> I believe Mr. Amos has been in contact with you about this previously. >>> >>> Very truly yours, >>> Barry A. Bachrach >>> Direct telephone: (508) 926-3403 >>> Direct facsimile: (508) 929-3003 >>> Email: bbachrach@bowditch.com >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "David Amos"david.raymond.amos@gmail.com >>> To: "Rob Talach"rtalach@ledroitbeckett.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:59 PM >>> Subject: Re: Attn Robert Talach and I should talk ASAP about my suing >>> the Catholic Church Trust that Bastarache knows why >>> >>> The date stamp on about page 134 of this old file of mine should mean >>> a lot to you >>> >>> http://www.checktheevidence.com/pdf/2619437-CROSS-BORDER-txt-.pdf >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com >>> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:37:08 -0400 >>> Subject: To Hell with the KILLER COP Gilles Moreau What say you NOW >>> Bernadine Chapman?? >>> To: Gilles.Moreau@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, phil.giles@statcan.ca, >>> maritme_malaise@yahoo.ca, Jennifer.Nixon@ps-sp.gc.ca, >>> bartman.heidi@psic-ispc.gc.ca, Yves.J.Marineau@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, >>> david.paradiso@erc-cee.gc.ca, desaulniea@smtp.gc.ca, >>> denise.brennan@tbs-sct.gc.ca, anne.murtha@vac-acc.gc.ca, >>> webo@xplornet.com, julie.dickson@osfi-bsif.gc.ca, >>> rod.giles@osfi-bsif.gc.ca, flaherty.j@parl.gc.ca, toewsv1@parl.gc.ca, >>> Nycole.Turmel@parl.gc.ca,Clemet1@parl.gc.ca, maritime_malaise@yahoo.ca, >>> >> oig@sec.gov, whistleblower@finra.org, whistle@fsa.gov.uk, >>> david@fairwhistleblower.ca >>> Cc: j.kroes@interpol.int, david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, >>> bernadine.chapman@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca, >>> Juanita.Peddle@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, oldmaison@yahoo.com, >>> Wayne.Lang@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, Robert.Trevors@gnb.ca, >>> ian.fahie@rcmp-grc.gc.ca> >>> >>> http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/nb/news-nouvelles/media-medias-eng.htm >>> >>> http://nb.rcmpvet.ca/Newsletters/VetsReview/nlnov06.pdf >>> >>> From: Gilles Moreau Gilles.Moreau@rcmp-grc.gc.ca >>> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:03:22 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: Lets ee if the really nasty Newfy Lawyer Danny Boy >>> Millions will explain this email to you or your boss Vic Toews EH >>> Constable Peddle??? >>> To: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com >>> >>> Please cease and desist from using my name in your emails. >>> >>> Gilles Moreau, Chief Superintendent, CHRP and ACC >>> Director General >>> HR Transformation >>> 73 Leikin Drive, M5-2-502 >>> Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0R2 >>> >>> Tel 613-843-6039 >>> Cel 613-818-6947 >>> >>> Gilles Moreau, surintendant principal, CRHA et ACC >>> Directeur général de la Transformation des ressources humaines >>> 73 Leikin, pièce M5-2-502 >>> Ottawa, ON K1A 0R2 >>> >>> tél 613-843-6039 >>> cel 613-818-6947 >>> gilles.moreau@rcmp-grc.gc.ca >>> > > http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bmo-tax-avoidance-cra-court-1.4389774 > > BMO ran $288M 'abusive' tax dodge: CRA > Trial set for June over bank's convoluted arrangement of shell > companies, loans and stock swaps > By Zach Dubinsky, Harvey Cashore, CBC News Posted: Nov 08, 2017 5:00 AM ET >
Methinks the ghosts of the old lawyers and former PMs such as MacDonald, Bennett and Diefenbaker have to thank the lawyers such as Campbell, Mulroney, Charest, Lord, MacKay, Mosher and their many cohorts for the demise of their political party and the rise of the Harper government that served the Yankees well N'esy Pas?
Robert Morris
Wuh-duh......real cons bad mouthing reform cons......
David Amos
@Robert Morris Methinks its too too funny N'esy Pas?
Quebec's election result was bad for Trudeau, good for almost everyone else
The prime minister is running short of friends at the provincial level
Chris Hall· CBC News· Posted: Oct 03, 2018 4:00 AM ET
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Content disabled. Dean Melanson
One term trudeau ...... your time is almost at an end goofy .... too bad the same didn't happen to old man pierre ....
Content disabled. David Amos
@Dean Melanson I concur
Ernie Zimmerman
The trudeau liberals do not have a chance in 2019. There will be many happy Canadian people when trudeau is gone.
Reid Fleming
@Richard Sharp The same pollsters who showed CAQ and the Quebec Liberals “neck and neck” in the hours leading up to the election?
Richard Sharp
@Ernie Zimmerman The Libs are ahead in Quebec by 42% to 15% to 15% for the Cons and NDP according to Nanos just yesterday, and as far ahead in the Atlantic provinces What world do you live in? Is it dreamy?
Don Cameron
@Richard Sharp said, "What world do you live in? Is it dreamy?"
I've never been able to understand why you decry people's opinions as "slurs and smears", then turn around and insult them?
Is it not possible to state an opinion without some backhanded insult? Frankly, I think the insult detracts from your p os t.
David Amos
@Richard Sharp "The Libs are ahead in Quebec by 42% to 15% to 15% for the Cons and NDP according to Nanos just yesterday, and as far ahead in the Atlantic provinces."
Do ya think anyone Nanos talks to has read my Tweets this morning?
Neil Turv
@david mccaig
Yesterday you were ranting about how the Conservatives and CAQ were nothing alike.
Now CBC has a whole article about similarities and instead of simply admitting you were incorrect(like a grown up) you are calling journalists dumb, and basing everything you think about Legault on things he said 20-30 years ago.
Here's a small piece of information that may help you in the future.
Mature intelligent adults, can change their minds, they can also admit they were wrong, and when people disagree with them it doesn't automatically equal a conspiracy or lack of intelligence.
Richard Sharp
@Ernie Zimmerman
Trying agai9n to respond to your unsubstantiated claim with FACTS:
The Libs are way ahead in Quebec by 42% to 15% to 15% for the Cons and NDP according to Nanos just yesterday, and as far ahead in the Atlantic provinces.
David Amos
@Richard Sharp I responded
Richard Sharp
@Reid Fleming
I believe Nanos predicted a CAQ majority with 85% probability.
David Amos
@Richard Sharp I take issue about what you say about my fellow Maritmers
Richard Sharp
@Don Cameron
I proved Ernie lived in a dream world with facts (yesterday's poll results). His claim was unsupported, mine was.
Richard Ade
@Ernie Zimmerman Hopefully Bernier is able to either become PM with a majority or minority government or hold the balance of power via a coalition or become the official opposition. So far at the federal level, he is the only one that has addressed most of the issues that are of concern to me a fair amount of people I know.
david mccaig
@Richard Sharp
Yes NANOS polls prove at minimum 48% of Canadians want NO PART of these modern day radical right wingers. The best they can muster a little over 30% in support is about the same that Donald Trump gets in the States.
David Amos
@Richard Sharp Methinks that whereas you cannot debate you merely brag about your fellow liberals and your support of them N'esy Pas?
Sam Philip
@Ernie Zimmerman He had his chance and blew it on open border policy, more refugees, cannabis, pride parades and selfies. He proved to be a real globalist working for Soros.
David Spring
@Ernie Zimmerman
Keep counting your chickens before they hatch Conservatives; Provincial politics don't make much difference at the Federal level, but keep telling yourself that.
Neil Turv
@Sam Philip
I think as far as crazy billionaire conspiracy theories go, Soros and the Koch bros cancel each other out, so it's a wash.
David Amos
@Neil Turv Methinks many would agree that what you call "crazy billionaire conspiracy theories" compound the problem of understanding that it is no theory but an irrefutable fact N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Sam Philip Methinks it was awful comical when Harper got in hot water for pointing that fact out in April N'esy Pas?
I would disagree, any time I see Soros or Koch in a comment I just assume that the commenter has nothing of value to say so they deflect with some vague accusation against the billionaire of their choice.
Dax Randall
@Ernie Zimmerman
Hope you like surprises.
David Amos
@Neil Turv FYI In November of 2003 It was Michael Ratner one of the lawyers working for Soros within Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) who tipped me off about the Yankee Attorney Ashcroft's meeting with Wayne Easter. Rest assured all the political animals know that I called Easter's office and read him and the RCMP and the FBI the riot act while they were having the big Pow Wow about what to do Arar and I before Elliot Spitzer testified about Putnam Investment (Now owned by Power Corp).
Rehashing your 2015 slogans eh. Remember you were preaching Harper would clobber Trudeau yet Trudeau won a strong mandate.
Only thing that will change in 2019 is your slogan will be 'can't wait till 2023' lol
James Holden
@Ernie Zimmerman
Sure, it's a done deal. No need to get the Con Base out to vote.
Richard Sharp
@Ernie Zimmerman
Trudeau is preferred by Canadians as PM by almost two to one over Scheer and by six or seven to one over Singh (Nanos, yesterday).
David Amos
@Troy Mann Wanna bet?
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@Richard Sharp Are you dating someone in Nanos or just answer all their calls?
James Holden
@Richard Sharp
The censors don't seem to like truthful statements tonight.
Dave MacDonald
@Richard Sharp that from the same outfit that said the Quebec election would be close .
Dave MacDonald
@Richard Sharp Forum gives Tories 6 point lead over Libs and they were the most accurate in predicting NB and Quebec elections .
Marko Novak
Trudeau was already running out of friends. He just hadn't caught on to that yet.
Ontario... Check Quebec... Check
Next... Canada.
Neil Gregory
@Marko Novak
Trudeau II lost a lot of friends when he decided that he didn't have to keep his election promises.
Marko Novak
@Gerard Rosen
Predictable. If you disagree with Trudeau's (and yours apparently) version of utopia, you get called any number of *ist, *phobe, and just generally insulted. Throwing out derogatory remarks at your opponents as you lose shows that your ideology had no real substance anyway.
James Holden
@Neil Gregory
That pissed me off too but not enough to push me into the arms of Sheer = Harper without the charisma.
John Gerrits
@Neil Gregory All politicians break election promises,we expect that and forgive it.Trudeau's problems with the majority runs much,much deeper than a few broken promises
David Amos
@Marko Novak Methinks many folks would agree that knuckling under to Trump and his deadline before the Yankee mid term election was history took the cake and secured Trudeau The Younger's place in history as a one term Prime Minister N'esy Pas?
Richard Sharp
@Marko Novak
In handing Trump a near nothing burger, Trudeau proved his worth negotiating for Canada, holding strong. Trudeau gets along with all premiers, no matter their party. Haven't you noticed?
Dave MacDonald
@Richard Sharp Steel and aluminum workers say Trudeau sold them out and dairy farmers say Justin betrayed them .Nothing burger indeed !
David Amos
@Richard Sharp "Haven't you noticed?"
I noticed you are afraid to argue me
Darren MacDonald
@Marko Novak Provincial relations are at an all time low.
David Amos
@Darren MacDonald YUP
David Amos
@Dave MacDonald "Nothing burger indeed !"
Methinks its a liberal's favourite meal N'esy Pas?
John Smythe
Bye bye liberals. Quebec and Ontario have spoken.
Gerard Rosen
@John Smythe Canada is a very large and diverse nation. Two provinces does not a country make.
John Smythe
@Gerard Rosen
Really? Where do most of the seats come from? What provinces are mostly responsible for electoral outcomes?
Andrew Stat
@John Smythe Provincial governments don't mean the federal governments will be that same. Quebec and Ontario had Liberal governments the entire time Harper was in power. So to imply that is the case is just foolish
Peter While
@Gerard Rosen
Two provinces does not a country make ... but Ontario and Quebec pretty much speak for the future (or lack thereof) of the Liberal Party.
David Amos
@Peter While YUP
David Amos
@Andrew Stat "Quebec and Ontario had Liberal governments the entire time Harper was in power. "
Good point
Methinks it is a distinct possibly that Trudeau The Younger could win a minority mandate next year. If so we shall see how his sunny ways compares to Harper's hard ball politicking then N'esy Pas?
John Ng
Canada is hurting under Trudeau, borderless, exodus of PRIVATE capital investments, priorities put on non Canadians, and now a new NAFTA where Canada has agreed to ask the US's permission to engage free trade with any other countries but USMCA, what?
Gerard Rosen
@John Ng All 3 countries are expected to notify the others when seeking trade deals eleswhere. Not just limited to Canada. Please do some research.
Rob Lehtisaari
@John Ng
Your analysis lacks basis in fact, but all the same your entitled to your opinion.
Non-market nation is not every nation for example, and our economy is still doing the best it has in 42 years...the amount of time we have records/statistics to compares such.
Layton Bennett
@John Ng I guess you hated hearing about LNG Canada's investment announcement yesterday. Sorta throws a wrench in your narrative.
James Holden
@John Ng
Try facts instead of partisan rhetoric.
David Sampson
@John Ng
Must again intervene to address some of your talking points:
We have the longest undefended border in the world so not sure what you really want to say when you raise " borderless";
Private capital has actually significantly increased over the past 2 years so your smear is unfounded;
" Priorities put on new Canadians", what in heavens name are you desperately trying to state?';
The new agreement ( which I assume as a good Canadian you applaud ) does not require Canada to obtain the "permission" from anyone to engage in free trade, it merely sets out conditions for notice to be provided ( by all parties by the way ) when they enter into new agreements. This is necessary to ensure new agreements, with new partners, do not impact, negatively, on the mutually beneficial agreement of this agreement.
I know you dislike the current government with a mad passion but don't make stuff up!
Byron Whitford
@Rob Lehtisaari
"our economy is still doing the best it has in 42 years"
Not even close to the truth. We were doing far better during the Internet and digital communications boom in the 90s.
Jay Henryk
@David Sampson You are wasting your time. The people on this site aren’t interested in facts.
David Amos
@Jay Henryk True
Neil Turv
@David Sampson
The literal interpretation of the free trade clause is as you describe.
But John's hyperbole and ranting aside, the intent in my opinion is closer to what others are more pessimistically saying. I'm ok with most of the USMCA, but I don't delude my self for a second that the clause regarding free trade with non market countries is anything more than strong arm tactics from the US to dissuade talks with China.
If Canada or Mexico objected tot he US doing it, do you honestly think they'd listen? If so I'd like you to review any ruling against them by NAFTA or the WTO in recent memory.
Pat Smith
@Layton Bennett "LNG Canada's investment announcement" Yeah, owned completely by foreign companies. They will extract our resources, process it and take out of Canada. Likely using their own workers as well (as Chinese companies are wont to do).
Mulroney like most political animals know that like the wannabe PM Mr Turner I was against NAFTA out of the gate and never changed my mind.
Methinks many politicians are familiar with this story that appeared in the Kings County Record June 22, 2004 N'esy Pas?
The Unconventional Candidate By Gisele McKnight
"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."
Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos. The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from running for office in Canada."
"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."
"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.
"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window
NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico."
Rory Gallagher
Justins diversity dome is slowly crumbling.
David Amos
@Rory Gallagher Methinks Justin's diversity dome is a matter for peoplekind to resolve by the end of next year N'esy Pas?
William Ben
The LPC brand is done, it went way too left and frightened most centrists, MSM went to far left with them. The internet is where many go to get rational balanced debate on the many, many out of bounds topics that the left leaning narrative and ideology refuses to discuss. Hence a jump to th right it’s a lesson in reaping what you sow. To have inclusion is to have debate, not one side claiming they are 100% correct all the time, in contradiction to the facts eh Justin.
Mark Edmonson
@William Ben It's also why the polls are misleading. Tell them you vote liberal and you will be okay.
Mark Edmonson
@Mark Edmonson Job security and such.
Rob Preston
@William Ben So true William. Remember you are suppose to think as they tell you. Not on your own.
Travis Ladwin
@William Ben
There is no truly unbiased media content no matter where you look for it, you must simply dive under the surface and question everything. JT's politics are a popularity contest; me me me which is pretty disgraceful, but flopping over to the CPC is as predictable as can be.
Peter While
@William Ben
All around the world, "progressive" parties are being removed from power.
"Progressives" have lost the traditional concerns of the left (the poor, marginalized and the blue collar worker) and instead have lost their minds, pulling down statues, inventing pronouns and preventing free speech.
Average voters just aren't interested in social justice extremism.
Ron Paul
@Mark Edmonson If everyone is convinced the liberals are going to win by a landslide they won't turn out to vote for their own party. It's not a coincidence that inaccurate polling always favours the liberals.
David Amos
@Ron Paul ""It's not a coincidence that inaccurate polling always favours the liberals."
I agree
Dionne Albert
@William Ben
They went too far right in BC. They bought that ridiculous pipeline, for which we will all be paying for some time. Christmas came early for Kinder Morgan and its shareholders.
David Amos
@Peter While "Average voters just aren't interested in social justice extremism."
Oh So True
David Amos
@Travis Ladwin "There is no truly unbiased media content no matter where you look for it, you must simply dive under the surface and question everything"
I wholeheartedly agree Sir.
Jim Clark
Canadians have had enough of trudeau and are fighting back.
Chris Halford
@Richard Andrews
Trudeau has been in power for almost three years and Ford just got elected so it's more like 7 years overlap with Harper, not 10.
David Amos
@Chris Halford "Both will repent soon enough given the jerks they elected."
Dream on
Evan Guest
The Liberal brand is past its "best before date".
David Amos
@Evan Guest YUP
Ralph Eddy
Go CAQ get err done make Quebec great again it will be good for everyone.
Andrew Stat
@Ralph Eddy The economy is already booming. Lets hope the CAQ don't mess it up....
Gary Norton
@Andrew Stat Yes, just think how could Canada could do if we actually did something!
Scott Stephens
@Andrew Stat you know justin added almost 100B debt in three year right.
Andrew Stat
@Scott Stephens Nice, making up stats again. Good job!
John Gerrits
@Andrew Stat As valid as making up liberal facts
David Amos
@Andrew Stat Well then how much did he add to the debt?
Ahead of Quebec's election, polls indicate François Legault's CAQ is close to winning a majority
CAQ holds narrow lead over incumbent Liberals, but edge among francophones could be decisive
Éric Grenier· CBC News· Posted: Sep 30, 2018 4:00 AM ET
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David Amos
@Jonathan Murphy I agree to a point.
Methinks I would like to see the outcome in this election in Quebec and the federal one next year yield minority governments with polling results just like what the folks in New Brunswick were treated to last week. Maybe then we would finally get the governments we deserve N'esy Pas?
steve martin
The Exorcism of liberals province by province is sure fun to watch
David Amos
@steve martin Welcome to the Circus
ralph jacobs
I think the present Liberal government has turned a lot of Canadians off the Liberal party.
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David Amos
@ralph jacobs Methinks Harper 2.0 and his old buddy Maxime love to read such things posted in CBC. However its rather strange that your comment was not disabled N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@ralph jacobs I agree
Rob Preston
Get rid of the liberals Quebec and be proud again.
David Amos
@Rob Preston Who said they were not?
Roger Jerome
Trudeau owns liberal failure
David Amos
@Roger Jerome Nope Methinks his puppet masters do After all he is just following their orders N'esy Pas?
David Kane
The only one who truly loves Trudeau , is Trudeau ,...….seems the votes lately show that , but the media tries to spin everyone loves the narcissist
David Amos
@David Kane "everyone loves the narcissist"
Of course just the dude many Yankees call "The Donald"
Bill Bohrd
@David Kane It's looks like spinning is a con's pastime. The article is about François Legault's CAQ, and everybody talks about Trudeau and Liberals.
David Amos
@Bill Bohrd Methinks the election results will have an effect on the future of Trudeau and Liberals CBC seems to agree N'esy Pas?
Soon to be another liberal party gone in Canada. The trudeau liberal government is next. Goodbye liberals.
steve curtis
@Ernie Zimmerman Can't be soon enough!
Ernie Zimmerman
@steve curtis I agree.
David Amos
@Ernie Zimmerman Me Too
Terry R Avante
Bye bye liberals. Coast to coast there is a cleansing taking place. The feds will be next. The root of division in Canada, the party that attends trade demanding gender equality as 73% of our export is for goods and services not values. The party that has its face in every facet of Canadian’s lives. How much tax dollars are now being funnelled into Quebec in an effort to prop up the liberal party there? Time for a federal cleansing.
Ken Douglas
@Terry R Avante Yes, a year and a half ago the BC Liberals were toppled after taking a $5M bribe to approve the TMX expansion. Not $5M to the province, $5M to the party.....the party so far right they almost fell off.
David Amos
@Ken Douglas Methinks a liberal or a conservative by any other name would smell as corrupt N'esy Pas?
Dave MacDonald
This is historic.The most left wing province in Canada is about to elect a right wing government .
David Amos
@Dave MacDonald Methinks that is a telling thing N'esy Pas?
It's 'a bit cheeky' for Conservatives to say they could have negotiated a better trade deal: Kim Campbell
Former PM says Canada avoided 'a disastrous threat to our economy' from Donald Trump in reaching USMCA deal
CBC Radio·
Former Canadian prime minister Kim Campbell says the new North American free trade deal is a success. (Jonathan Hayward/Canadian Press)
The Conservatives should stop criticizing how the Liberals negotiated the new North American trade agreement, and instead trumpet their contribution in striking the deal, says former Canadian prime minister Kim Campbell.
In reacting to the new United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer said"Canada has failed to achieve progress on key issues, while giving ground to the U.S."
But Campbell, who served in Brian Mulroney's cabinet during the original NAFTA negotiations, says Canada "managed to fend off what could have been a disastrous threat to our economy" from U.S. President Donald Trump.
She spoke to As It Happens host Carol Off. Here is part of their conversation.
Was this week's signing of this new trade deal a little bit of déjà vu?
Personally, I gave a sigh of relief because, you know, things could have been much worse and we're dealing in kind of uncharted territory here with this new president.
So what is really different, though, from NAFTA? Because what's being criticized is that, well, "What did we really get?"
The economy is very different now from what it was 25 years ago when NAFTA was negotiated. So I think it's not unreasonable to say that there should have been some discussion about the modern digital economy and intellectual properties, all of those issues. And I think those were dealt with, and I don't think we lost too much.
Of course the big to-do will be over the question of access to our dairy, to our supply-managed industries. But the interesting thing is that the percentages are very small — just a tweak more than had already been negotiated in the TPP.
And also, the American dairy market is now open to us. So there was a bit of reciprocity there. That could be kind of interesting.
What do you make of the kind of heavy criticisms from Andrew Scheer and his fellow Conservatives about this deal?
I think that it's a bit cheeky for the Conservative leader to suggest that his party could have done better.
[Former Conservative industry minister] James Moore and [former Conservative interim leader] Rona Ambrose were part of the advisory committee. You know, this was not a single-party negotiating strategy.
To the extent that we've managed to dodge the bullet, I think all parties should take credit for it and not nit-pick.
CBC News
Scheer on the USMCA
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Opposition Leader Andrew Scheer criticizes the US, Mexico, Canada Agreement on free trade negotiated by the Liberal government. 3:09
I want ask you a question about [being] a female politician at the time, in the '90s ... and how bruising it often was for women in politics. It was a real boys' club that was negotiating that deal: both FTA and NAFTA. What did you make of [Foreign Affairs Minister] Chrystia Freeland and her style?
It just seemed to me that she's very professional.
The interesting thing about Chrystia Freeland is that she had the trade portfolio before she went into foreign affairs, so she had that period of time where she probably had a chance to really get her head around these issues.
The fact that the prime minister asked her to lead the process is not surprising.
Campbell said it's no surprise Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, left, assigned and Minister of Foreign Affairs Chrystia Freeland, right, to negotiate the deal. (Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press)
Would it have been surprising for a woman to be leading the negotiations back in the '90s or the '80s?
[Former PC cabinet minister and senator] Pat Carney would like you to think that she played an important role in the negotiation and probably did, and thinks that sexism resulted in her being expunged from the record.
That's right. She was shut out, wasn't she, of the whole historical record of that?
I wish I could say I didn't think there's any sexism in that interpretation but, you know, I think there is and I think that she did a great and a professional job.
If I were the Conservatives, rather than getting my teeth into the government's ankles, I would get Rona Ambrose and James Moore talking about the process and the role that they played because it was a multi-party exercise, and very good people from the Conservative Party were key to the process.
On other occasions, you might get some traction from saying, "We would have done better." But I don't think anybody's going to believe that given the nature of the American leadership at the moment.
I think we should say, you know, good on us that we we really managed to fend off what could have been a disastrous threat to our economy by someone whose understanding of trade is not, you know, the most current thinking.
Do you really think that Donald Trump was serious that he was going to tear up NAFTA?
I think it was a real risk. And who knows what would have set it off?
Our people — without not being who we are, you know, without becoming toadies — they stood up for Canadian values. And some people thought they stood up for them too much. But they did, and lived to tell the tale.
Written by Sheena Goodyear. Produced by Jeanne Armstrong. Q&A has been edited for length and clarity.
The loss of Liberal premiers has become a trend since Prime Minister Justin Trudeau took power just three years ago. (Chris Young/Canadian Press)
François Legault hadn't even delivered his victory speech after Monday's Quebec election when he received a congratulatory phone call from Ottawa. It was federal Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer on the line — and he wanted to be the first.
Legault's Coalition Avenir Québec party doesn't have formal ties to Scheer's party. Conservatives still might have the most to gain from Legault's triumph.
Both parties support lower taxes. Both want tighter controls on immigration and are willing to play identity politics for electoral gain. Both would share the view that the new North American trade agreement negotiated this week did no favours for dairy farmers.
Friends in Quebec City
Scheer also would know that a number of federal Conservatives in the province ran for the CAQ, or are working behind the scenes for it — and that Legault's party won convincingly in parts of the province that the Conservatives are targeting in the run-up to the next federal election.
"They won't necessarily be door-knocking with us next year but we will be working with the CAQ because they are more closely aligned with us than the Liberals," a senior Conservative aide said Tuesday.
Conservative leader Andrew Scheer arrives with Richard Martel, who won the federal byelection in the riding of Chicoutimi-Le Fjord, before question period in the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on June 20, 2018. (Justin Tang/Canadian Press)
He said the federal Conservative party, which holds a dozen seats in Quebec, believes it can build on its recent byelection success in Chicoutimi-Le Fjord by capturing other seats in the Saguenay region. He also sees opportunities along the north shore of the St. Lawrence and Montreal's south shore, areas that went solidly CAQ this week.
Scheer might see a future partner in Legault, but he wasn't the only one trying to get him on the phone. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau also was quick to offer congratulations. As a PM and a fellow Quebecer, Trudeau is just as interested in knowing Legault's priorities — and just as content to work with an incoming premier who won't hold a referendum on sovereignty.
"There are a lot of conversations to be had," Trudeau told reporters Tuesday during a visit to British Columbia. "I'm sure we will have disagreements from time to time, but we will do so in a constructive way that serves the citizens who have entrusted us with responsibilities."
Those disagreements won't take long to develop.
Legault already is hinting he'll follow the lead of Ontario Premier Doug Ford and use the notwithstanding clause in the Charter of Rights to enforce his plan to ban public servants from wearing visible religious symbols.
He wants to cut the number of immigrants in Quebec by 20 per cent and threatened during the campaign to expel those who don't learn French within three years — even though the province has no such power.
Liberal MPs, especially those from regions where CAQ candidates picked up seats from the provincial Liberals, spoke Tuesday about their willingness to work cooperatively on issues of shared interest.
"It's a new day in our region, of course," said Gatineau Liberal MP Steve MacKinnon. CAQ candidates won three of the five seats in his region, but MacKinnon said he's not worried about a 'change' vote carrying over into next year's federal campaign.
"I think people make their political decisions on the basis of jurisdiction. There's a long tradition of that in Quebec. And I think people will decide on the issues and I look forward to presenting our views … in 2019."
Even so, the loss of Liberal premiers has become a trend since Trudeau took power just three years ago.
In four provinces — B.C., Ontario, New Brunswick and now Quebec — the prime minister has lost key allies on signature files. Whatever alliances existed on health care, climate change, energy and immigration are now gone, fractured along regional and party lines.
But the impact of the Quebec election goes beyond the fact that voters elected a party other than the Liberals or the Parti Quebecois for the first time in half a century.
Quebec Solidaire's Manon Massé speaks to her supporters in Montreal after the Quebec election in the Quebec provincial election Monday, October 1, 2018. (Peter McCabe/Canadian Press)
Quebecers also gave the left-leaning Quebec Solidaire 10 seats — triple the number it had going in — while relegating the PQ to fourth place, a result that stripped the party of René Lévesque of official status in the National Assembly.
Eight of those new QS seats overlap ridings represented federally by the NDP. One of them is Rosemont La Petite-Patrie, home of NDP MP Alexandre Boulerice.
"That's good news for us. There's a strong feeling, especially among young voters, for progressive, forward-looking values," Boulerice said.
"That's good news for us. It's not a guarantee, for sure, but it's a start because we are pushing the same environmental and social issues."
This is no minor point. Polls suggest federal New Democrats are losing ground to the Liberals. They need to rebuild support, they need volunteers. They know the party's federal 16 seats in the province are up for grabs. Liberals and Conservatives are circling.
Courting the youth vote
Young voters, in particular, played a big role in Trudeau's election victory three years ago. Retaining their support may not be a must for the Liberals in Quebec, but it surely will be important.
Veering hard to the left on these issues doesn't only help the NDP distinguish itself from the Liberals. It also provides an incentive for people who care about progressive values to work for NDP candidates.
The political landscape in Quebec has changed. The CAQ's victory offers an opening to the Conservatives, while the growth of Quebec Solidaire holds out a lifeline to the NDP. And Justin Trudeau has lost another Liberal ally in a provincial capital.
It all makes the run up to the next federal election in Canada's second largest province even less predictable than before.
About the Author
Chris Hall
National Affairs Editor
Chris Hall is the CBC's National Affairs Editor and host of The House on CBC Radio, based in the Parliamentary Bureau in Ottawa. He began his reporting career with the Ottawa Citizen, before moving to CBC Radio in 1992, where he worked as a national radio reporter in Toronto, Halifax and St. John's. He returned to Ottawa and the Hill in 1998.
Ahead of Quebec's election, polls indicate François Legault's CAQ is close to winning a majority
CAQ holds narrow lead over incumbent Liberals, but edge among francophones could be decisive
Éric Grenier· CBC News·
Coalition Avenir Québec Leader François Legault is on track to win the most seats in Monday's provincial election. (Ryan Remiorz/Canadian Press)
When Quebec's election campaign began 38 days ago, Coalition Avenir Québec Leader François Legault was the favourite to win a majority government. A few gaffes and ill-defined policy proposals later, Legault's odds of securing that majority have dropped to no better than a coin-toss.
But if he has a little luck on his side, the ingredients are there for the centre-right CAQ to reach the 63-seat mark necessary to control Quebec's National Assembly — despite his party enjoying the support of less than one-in-three Quebecers.
The CBC Quebec Poll Tracker, an aggregation of all publicly released polling data, suggests that the CAQ sits at 31.8 per cent support. That puts it narrowly ahead of Philippe Couillard's Liberals, who have 30.1 per cent support.
That's a much narrower margin than the eight-point lead the CAQ held over the Liberals early in the campaign. But it isn't Couillard nor Jean-François Lisée and the Parti Québécois, which stands at 18.8 per cent support, who have been most responsible for the CAQ's slide in the polls.
Instead, Manon Massé's left-wing Québec Solidaire has had the momentum over the last few weeks.
The party, which captured just 7.6 per cent of the vote in the 2014 provincial election, is now averaging 16.3 per cent in the polls.
That indicates the stability there has been in the numbers. The CAQ has registered between 29 and 32 per cent support in nine consecutive polls, though the latest results all suggest a modest rebound at the expense of the PQ. The last six polls have put the Liberals between 29 and 31 per cent. There are still, however, a lot of unknowns going into Monday's election.
Their range of seats runs from 48 to 81, a wide band suggesting plenty of close contests throughout the province — some of them involving all four major parties.
The Liberals are estimated to have about a one-in-12 chance of winning the most seats, a result of their historically low support among francophones. The party is projected to win between 29 and 55 seats — well short of the majority threshold. But there is enough overlap with the CAQ that the Liberals could emerge with more seats, particularly if their support is underestimated in the polls.
The Parti Québécois is at risk of losing official party status in the National Assembly, which requires at least 12 seats or 20 per cent of the popular vote. The polls suggest the party may fall short of the latter, while the projection model puts them at 11 seats. However, they are involved in many tight races — trailing the CAQ by five points or less in seven ridings according to the Poll Tracker — so a small bump at the ballot box could make a big difference.
Parti Québécois Leader Jean-François Lisée is running third place in the polls. (Paul Chiasson/Canadian Press)
As for Québec Solidaire, which held only three seats at dissolution, the party could double or even triple its representation in the National Assembly. The model awards the party nine seats — as many as six on the island of Montreal, its traditional base of support, but also one in Quebec City and two in the rest of the province — but sees a potential for even more upsets if the party's momentum continues through to Monday.
But QS could easily fall short of this target, as the party is strongest among young voters, who historically have a low turnout rate.
Legault holds decisive lead among francophones
No party in Quebec has won a majority government with less than 38 per cent of the vote, making the coin-toss odds for a CAQ victory at under 32 per cent a historical anomaly.
But the CAQ has a number of decisive advantages over its rivals. The most important is its support among francophones, estimated to be 37 per cent by the Poll Tracker. That gives the CAQ a 14-point lead over the PQ, which sits at just 23 per cent support. Québec Solidaire is tied with the Liberals at 19 per cent.
Québec Solidaire co-spokesperson Manon Massé could lead her party to a breakthrough off the island of Montreal. (Paul Chiasson/Canadian Press)
Francophones make up about two-thirds or more of the population in 100 of Quebec's 125 ridings, so the CAQ's wide lead among this demographic gives them a key edge in their potential seat count.
Regionally, it translates into commanding leads in the Quebec City region and the suburbs around the island of Montreal, and in the rest of the province outside of the two major urban centres.
Only in Montreal do the Liberals hold a lead, thanks to their dominance among non-francophones. The CAQ is about 30 points behind the Liberals on the island, suggesting they may struggle to win their first seat there. But there is little additional ground in Montreal for the Liberals to gain.
Majority, minority, red or blue?
Put together, the numbers suggest that the CAQ is very likely to win the most seats and has a good chance of squeaking by with a majority government. Those chances will improve if the Parti Québécois, floundering in the final week, continues to bleed support to the CAQ.
The CAQ would also benefit even if the PQ loses voters to QS instead, as the CAQ and QS are not competing for many ridings, whereas the CAQ and the PQ are.
Quebec Liberal Leader Philippe Couillard hasn't been able to make significant gains for his party in this campaign. (Jacques Boissinot/Canadian Press)
But all is not lost for the Liberals. They have a historical tendency to out-perform their polls. That may not happen in this election — particularly since the possibility of a referendum on Quebec independence, an issue that has helped drive undecided voters to the Liberals, has been taken off the table by the PQ. But in 2012, the Liberals were on track for a third-place showing. Instead, they emerged just four seats and less than one percentage point short of the Parti Québécois.
That was a different campaign, however, with three parties splitting the vote between them almost equally. That is not the case in 2018, with the PQ on track for its worst showing and QS changing the electoral landscape in the province.
The margin between the CAQ and the Liberals looks close. It could end up that way on Monday. But there is very good reason to believe that Legault, after failing to deliver in his last two campaigns as leader, is finally on track to win.
Join us tonight at 6 p.m. ET for a live election Q&A with our political and polling experts Jonathan Montpetit and Éric Grenier on our Facebook page.
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Éric Grenier
Politics and polls
Éric Grenier is a senior writer and the CBC's polls analyst. He was the founder of ThreeHundredEight.com and has written for The Globe and Mail, Huffington Post Canada, The Hill Times, Le Devoir, and L’actualité.
Methinks the LIEbranos and their nasty spin doctors within CBC are expecting a similar outcome to the election in Quebec tomorrow as the results in New Brunswick last week N'esy Pas?
Political twists mean the Quebec election is now too close to call
CBC Radio·
Liberal leader Philippe Couillard, left to right, PQ leader Jean-François Lisée, CAQ leader Francois Legault and Quebec Solidaire leader Manon Massé shake hands before their English debate Monday, September 17, 2018 in Montreal, Que. (THE CANADIAN PRESS)
The outcome of Quebec's Oct. 1 election is still far from certain.
About six weeks ago, polls showed Liberal Premier Philippe Couillard was destined to lose to François Legault, leader of the Coalition Avenir Québec. But the tide has turned during the campaign.
The Liberals and the CAQ are now neck-and-neck. If either wins a minority of seats, the other parties in contention will hold the balance of power: the Parti Québecois, led by Jean-François Lisée or Québec Solidaire, co-founded by Manon Massé.
The PQ used to be one of the two leading parties in the province, but it has lost significant ground during this election.
"That is the party that is self-destroying in front of our eyes, that is the true drama of what's going on here," journalist and filmmaker Francine Pelletier told The Sunday Edition's host Michael Enright. "Will the Parti Québecois be, essentially, a shadow of itself as of October second?"
Lise Ravary, a columnist for The Montreal Gazette and Le Journal de Montréal, has covered many provincial elections, but none quite like this one.
Weeks ago, CAQ Leader Francois Legault had a significant lead in the polls. But the tide has turned during the campaign. (THE CANADIAN PRESS)
"We have four parties competing and all four of them, in one way or another, are contenders," she said.
According to Pelletier, the usual tension of federalism versus separatism has been replaced with a left-right split in this election, with two parties on either side of the divide.
"If you compare the CAQ with the Liberals, there's hardly any difference. Even though François Legault is more to the right of Philippe Couillard, he is no Donald Trump, he's not even a Doug Ford," she said. "The one question this election poses is 'Whither the left?'"
Immigration and identity politics were not as dominant an issue during the campaign as many expected they would be. The CAQ advocated for reduced immigration levels, compulsory courses in French and a mandatory Quebec "values test" for newcomers.
"But it wasn't the emotional issue we lived through when we went through the 'reasonable accommodation' debate," said Ravary. (In 2008, two commissioners in Quebec held months of public hearings on the impact of religious accommodation on Quebec's identity and values.)
Both women predict the CAQ will win the upcoming election. Ravary forecasts a majority government, while Pelletier believes the party will have a minority of seats and will have to form a coalition.
Military probe turns up no trace of suspected Agent Orange barrels at New Brunswick base
'I did my duty ... I know what I saw,' says retired sergeant who reported seeing the barrels
Murray Brewster· CBC News·
Retired military police sergeant Al White, who claims to have witnessed the burial of Agent Orange barrels at CFB Gagetown, N.B., points out the area to DND environment official Pam Cushing. (CBC Neews/Murray Brewster)
An investigation into a report that barrels of the toxic defoliant Agent Orange may have been surreptitiously buried at a New Brunswick military base has apparently come up empty.
National Defence looked into a claim made by a former military police officer, retired sergeant Al White, that he witnessed the disposal of chemical barrels in 1985 at a location near the training range at Base Gagetown.
He led senior members of the department's environment branch in late June to the precise spot off one of the base's main roads.
In a statement issued Tuesday, the department said it conducted an aerial survey and followed up with ground sensors and a limited dig. It detected nothing metallic.
"There was no indication of a potential barrel disposal site in the area indicated by Mr. White during his visit," said spokesman Dan Le Bouthillier in an email response. "No drums were found."
The findings are preliminary and a final report is expected in November.
An 'exhaustive search'
Officials said they took the former police officer's claims seriously.
"To ensure an exhaustive search is completed, the ground survey was expanded by several hundred metres beyond the area identified by Mr. White, and included several target digs on areas flagged for subsurface target investigation," said Le Bouthillier.
"Precautionary hand digging continued on other targets beyond the area identified by Mr. White, but there has, to date, been no drums found at the sites searched."
Investigators did find a discarded ammunition box, a metal spike and other debris.
White claims he escorted a flatbed truck loaded with chemical barrels to a point near the base's tank training range 33-years ago and that the barrels were buried in a large hole near an area known as the Shirley Road dump.
It all happened before sunrise and White said he'd always found the incident suspicious. He kept silent, however, until he lost three friends — all former Gagetown soldiers — to cancer.
While DND officials said they were confident in White's recollection, they disputed the core of his claim — that barrels buried at the site may have contained Agent Orange.
The base was used by the U.S. military in two separate sets of aerial Agent Orange spraying tests in the late 1960s. Concerns over potential health effects prompted the federal government to initiate a compensation program about a dozen years ago.
The defoliant, which was widely used during the Vietnam war, has been linked to various cancers by health experts.
Toxic legacy
There are four known burial sites at Gagetown containing drums of various chemicals, even asbestos waste.
Those sites — some near wetlands — are capped with fresh soil and monitored for contaminated runoff.
Including White's allegation, National Defence has investigated a dozen suspected, unregistered burial sites over the years. None of them have turned up signs of barrels or contamination.
White said he's disappointed by the findings and he stands by his recollection.
During White's visit to the base to locate the site, officials noted that vegetation growth was stunted in the area he identified.
"Who knows what could have happened in the last 30 years?" White said Tuesday. "I feel I did my duty by coming forward. I know what I saw."
The investigation served to remind the public about the legacy of herbicide spraying, which has for decades been a major environmental issue in New Brunswick.
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Murray Brewster
Defence and security
Murray Brewster is senior defence writer for CBC News, based in Ottawa. He has covered the Canadian military and foreign policy from Parliament Hill for over a decade. Among other assignments, he spent a total of 15 months on the ground covering the Afghan war for The Canadian Press. Prior to that, he covered defence issues and politics for CP in Nova Scotia for 11 years and was bureau chief for Standard Broadcast News in Ottawa.
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David Amos I know for a fact there are lots of decent folks still alive who can still recall how wonderful the woods and streams of New Brunswick were before we began to suffer the expropriation of land for the creation of Base Gagetown and the Mactaquac Dam. The use of Monsanto's chemical weapons for the benefit of the military and the Irving Clan and NB Power really rubbed salt into the wounds as that crap cam raining down on us as well. In a nutshell if you are not upset by this article then you are not paying attention. Furthermore the jokes within the comment section are flat out offensive.
David Amos
Methinks many politicians are familiar with this story that appeared in the Kings County Record June 22, 2004 N'esy Pas?
The Unconventional Candidate
By Gisele McKnight
"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."
Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos. The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from running for office in Canada."
"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."
"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.
"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window
NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico."
Barney Miller
The guy came off as a crackpot from the outset....makes me wonder why CBC keeps repeating his B.S. story....must be related to an editor or something.
David Amos
@Barney Miller Methinks you are one whose motives and BS should be questioned I doubt anyone believes that is your real name N'esy Pas?
Greg Starkey
Conspiracy theories about a "big cover-up", pun intended bother me. It's a fact that defoliants were used in Gagetown many years ago. I did my basic infantry training there in the early 70's and there were tracts that were barren of greenery due to the use of defoliants. Contrary to comments here, that wasn't illegal nor would I suspect that burying used or full barrels in that period be illegal either. What I do take exception to is there being any intentional coverup of the findings of an investigation or that the military cannot be trusted to conduct the investigation itself. Having worked in the Base Operations Branch in the mid to late 90's, I can say with authority that the Base Enviro O had a clear mandate to protect the environment integrity of the training area as much as possible given the exigencies of military training. At the very least, every attempt was made to mitigate any environmental damage done to the training area. If any Armchair enviro warriers have conclusive evidence to the contrary, please speak up.
David Amos
@Greg Starkey "Contrary to comments here, that wasn't illegal nor would I suspect that burying used or full barrels in that period be illegal either. What I do take exception to is there being any intentional coverup of the findings of an investigation or that the military cannot be trusted to conduct the investigation itself."
Well Put Sir
FYI Google David Amos Federal Court
then scroll down to statement 83
David Amos
@Greg Starkey True
FYI in 1982 I recall that the government was spraying Agent Orange legally in the Sussex area. In fact I saved the clipping from the newspaper and posted it on the Internet.
Shawn McShane
@David Amos AO was federally banned in 1985, Al White said he witnessed the disposal of chemical barrels in 1985. One of the comments said around 1988-1989 one of his Techs was required to report to the MIR for a blood test then was transported to the training area and photographed a mound of barrels that had been dug up. They probably got rid of the barrels then. Is the case closed? Maybe.
Wonder what kind of airborne survey was done? There are a few excellent UXO firms out there that utilize multiple magnetic squid sensors mounted on helicopters in order to detect small objects like barrels or land mines even using high sensitivity gradient magnetics. These sensors would allow a depth calculation as well. This notion of a "hand dig" is ludicrous. The barrels will be at least 20-30ft , say 6-10m underground. Not going to be an easy dig.
David Amos
@Kevin Lacroix Methinks the Feds know that I heard many other barrels were buried in a much different fashion and in a different location as well N'esy Pas?
Bob Baker
Used equipment, Poor handling of veteran affair files, political climate of pacifism that shames militaries existence as non-essential.
I bow my head in shame.
David Amos
@Bob Baker We all should
Shawn McShane
Agent Orange curse: Vietnam vets can pass birth defects to their kids, new data suggests... a team of researchers embarked on a $143 million, 20-year study and found “a statistically significant increase in reported birth defects” among veterans who handled Agent Orange.
Air Force published a follow-up paper that claimed no evidence had been found linking Agent Orange exposure to birth defects.
David Amos
@Shawn McShane Methjnks some folks must remember when our government was spraying Agent Orange all over New Brunswick in the early 1980s N'esy Pas?
Paul Bourgoin
What about BUD-WORM CITY in northern New Brunswick, where are those barrels?
What about Agent Orange, DDT, Metacil, Bacillus Thuringiensis (BT) to name a few? The public exposure during these periods should reveal the wanted facts on consequences to public exposures to the pesticide mixers, pilots, airstrip workers, bystanders, woodworkers, fishermen, and others inadvertently present in the spray blocks and the distant populace exposed to long range drifts of the toxic spray clouds if not, one has to ask himself WHY??!
David Amos
@Paul Bourgoin Well Put Sir
eddy watts
Am I reading this correctly? The Canadian military who is alleged to have illegally participated in haphazardly disposing, what is known to be a very toxic (to humans and animals, and vegetation) substance....and will pay a very serious "price" if found to have done so IS HANDLING THE INVESTIGATION????????? Naaaaa the world hasn't gotten that screwy yet, has it?
David Amos
@eddy watts Its only the tip of the Iceberg
John Hallberg
It's in my fins and gills man!!!
David Amos
@John Hallberg How is this even remotely funny?
Steve Whitaker
He's in the White House.
David Amos
@Steve Whitaker That joke was old before you posted it
Peter Glennie
Radio Shack metal detector?
David Amos
@Peter Glennie Naw they were to good for the job.
Derek Knight
Trade Agent Orange to MI-6 for Maxwell Smart.
David Amos
@Derek Knight Same old joke different words tis all
Kath Ayres
"It all happened before sunrise ... "
and the evidence was probably removed years later at the same time of day.
David Amos
@Kath Ayres Of that I have no doubt
Richard Dekkar
Oh dear, another "reliable" memory. As we've seen recently, there is no proof.
David Amos
@Richard Dekkar Your point is?
Miles Hawkeye7
What a waste of gov't and CBC time... not unusual of course. Please continue censoring the real issues please.
David Amos
@Miles Hawkeye7 This is a VERY real issue to a lot of ghosts and their kin in New Brunswick
Derek Knight
Could be used for deforestations in BC like was the case in Vietnam. Then guerilla softwood tarrifs against the USA could be removed in this place.
David Amos
@Derek Knight Not funny
Derek Knight
Equip me with a badge and I face this foreign agent!
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David Amos
@Derek Knight Ethical people don't need any stinking badges
@Derek Knight Ethical people don't need badges They need to know how to write lawsuits
Shane (Wei) Walsh
Probably a VERY good idea to find and de-toxificate these agents. You never know what the affections could be if the gasses was released. Remember the film "Return of the Living Dead"? Yes - US Army barrels released the agent gasses and created zombies of the dead. Just throwing that out there for considertations.
David Amos
@Shane (Wei) Walsh You should have kept that thought to yourself
Chris Waddell
Well no wonder they didn't find them, the article says, "but there has, to date, been no drums found at the sites searched." Of course no one buried a 'drum' set out there... They should have been looking for barrels!!
Michael Brown
@Chris Waddell Drum: "a cylindrical container specifically : a large usually metal container for liquids //a 55-gallon drum"
Well folks, give the MP Sergeant full credit for making the effort.
Colin Seeley
@David James
The topic is one of CBC ideology therefore it got news.
CBC needs to apologize. Fake news.
David Amos
@David James I do
David Amos
@Colin Seeley CBC needs to apologize. Fake news.
YUP
Grant Silliker
I was a Pht Tech in Gagetown from 87-92. Around 1988-1989 one of our Techs was required to report to the MIR for a blood test He was then transported to the training area and photographed a mound of barrels that had been dug up. I recall seeing photos of the dug up barrels being printed prior to being sent off to the requested party. I'm unaware what the contents of the barrels contained. We did have a sign on the door restricting access to only authorized personnel.
David Amos
@Grant Silliker Good for you for speaking up
Joseph Cluster
They looked, couldn't find anything, of coarse we believe you. Wink-wink.
Colin Seeley
@Joseph Cluster
Yes we do now. Your ideology is your weakness.
David Amos
@Colin Seeley Nope its yours
Scott Stone
Maybe the barrels rusted away to nothing, and leaked whatever was in them into the groundwater. It's gone now.
David Amos
@Scott Stone Maybe they are still thee
David Amos
@David Amos there
Robert Anderson
And some just like tilting at windmills...
David Amos
@Robert Anderson I know I do
Jim Palmer
Looking for 'Agent Orange' ? Check the White House.
Colin Seeley
@Jim Palmer
Lol. Best one today.
Jim Palmer
@Colin Seeley
Why thank you, Colin. I try.
David Amos
@Jim Palmer Methinks thats an old joke N'esy Pas?
Jim Palmer
@David Amos
MEthinks me don't care. Apparently neither does Colin. And at least one other person.
David Amos
@Jim Palmer C'est Vrai.
Methinks that fact was blatantly obvious long ago N'esy Pas?
Lieschen Mueller
Better to have investigated this and actually, it is a good thing that no buried barrels of Agent Orange were found.
Colin Seeley
@Lieschen Mueller
Did we need to tel CBC the accusation first.
David Amos
@Lieschen Mueller How so?
Margaret Lambert
I believe he saw something he perceived as dangerous and reported it. May have been removed years ago. We'll never know.
David Amos
@Margaret Lambert I agree
Rod davis
Sure sure.. largest training area in the commonwealth... should read can’t find them
David Amos
@Rod davis It should read The Crown doesn't want to get sued
Jeff Laidlaw
Better safe than sorry. Glad they investigated it regardless.
David Amos
@Jeff Laidlaw Methinks that should be IF they truly investigated N'esy Pas?
Tom Jones
Did you really think that they would admit to finding anything when they conducted their own search, in secret, "behind closed doors" ?
Colin Seeley
@Tom Jones
You will never accept the others views. Just your own views count.
Hard to take folks like you.
David Amos
@Colin Seeley Methinks the same could be said of you N'esy Pas?
Michael Brown
@David Amos Given Colin Seeley is apparently accepting someone else's view, I doubt it.
And what is this 'N'esy Pas" nonsense? Proving your ignorance of French?
David Amos
@Michael Brown "what is this 'N'esy Pas" nonsense?"
Methinks it has proven to be a great way to figure out who my political foes are N'esy Pas?
Leigh O'Brien
@David Amos Not at all. It's just nonsense, like Michael says.
David Amos
@Leigh O'Brien So you say EH?
David Amos
@David Amos Merhinks you are still upset that I sued your beloved Irsh Catholic Cardinal in Beantown N'esy Pas?
Methinks CBC and many politicians are well aware I have been running in many election and familiar with this story that appeared in the Kings County Record June 22, 2004 N'esy Pas?
The Unconventional Candidate By Gisele McKnight
"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."
Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos. The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from running for office in Canada."
"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."
"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.
"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window
NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico."
Shawn Pieterson
@David Amos There are crazy, unhinged candidates in every election. That's no big deal.
David Amos
@Shawn Pieterson Is that what you are saying of me?
Perhaps you should Google the following
David Amos Federal Court
mo bennett
nope! voters are just pickin' the newbies simply to get away from the same old evil the tired old hacks have been serving up since confederation!
mo bennett
@Douglas Blake and the first one is a 4 letter word starting with F.
David Amos
@mo bennett So you say EH?
David Amos
@David Amos YO Mo did ya notice that CBC did not mention the fact that I ran in this election too?
Carl Street
Liberals live in their own world, out of touch with voters ...
Jim Moore
@Jordan F. Dorino The Liberals are the ones not Living in reality along with people who still support them, have you seen any recent elections, they have lost ALL of them and in most cases by extremely large margins
David Amos
@Jim Moore You talk just like the lawyer Rob Moore. Methinks you must be related N'esy Pas?
Jim Moore
@David Amos Hey truth hurts bud, the Libs are toast denial wont change it.
David Amos
@Jim Moore As a Proud Independent I run against Canada's self described "Natural Governing Party" first and foremost.
In 2004 Harper's new Conservative Party were newbies to the ballot just like I was and they lost that election too. N'esy Pas?
(BTW I don't care if snobby Anglos take offense to my Chiac Trust that French folks who live around the Bay of Fundy understand the joke)
Ben Robinson
Yes, and it is about time.
David Amos
@Ben Robinson YUP
Taggert Watson
That's so funny, but not surprising, that you just happened to forget about the spanking the left wing establishment just took in Canada's largest Province.
David Amos
@Taggert Watson Welcome to the Circus
John Ng
Any way you slice it CBC, Canadians are just fed up with Trudeau's view of Canada. We love our borders protected, we love our Prime Minister focused on the need of ALL Canadians, we love the wealth provided by Alberta, by Ontario, we are tired of a government that its only credit is legalizing pot, wait until that comes, it will be another fiasco to add to their list.
Jane Beagle
@John Ng Spot on John.
Jim Moore
@John Ng A lot of Canadians are sick of CBC pushing their political agenda and propaganda and would love nothing more than to see their tax payer funding removed because they don't represent all Canadians objectively and haven't for a long time, that and if they want to bombard us with paid advertising then they don't need or tax dollars either. They can compete like the other media corporations.
David Amos
@Jim Moore Imagine me agreeing with you?
Mary Bellows
WOW the post police are sure out this morning.
Taggert Watson
@Mary Bellows ...the successors to government block watchers from the old Warsaw Pact.
Go to dinner at your neighbor's, snitch on him in the morning to party officials and get loaf of stale bread.
Steven Scott
@Mary Bellows Better watch what you're typing then, you know the rules or do you think they don't apply to conservatives ........
Marcus Aetuis
@Mary Bellows Yup, and the people's news service will actually ban you from posting for weeks if they don't agree with what you post.
Taggert Watson
@Steven Scott Questions is whether the rules apply to socialists.
The innocent stuff that get blocked leads me to think that the block watchers don't know or understand very much.
David Amos
@Marcus Aetuis Methinks they will do more than that N'esy Pas?
Kevin Moore
An overhaul in Canadian politics is long overdue.
David Amos
@Kevin Moore Methinks there are a lot of fellas name Moore upset by this article this morning N'esy Pas?
Daryl McMurphy
Sometimes it is prudent to stay with the evil you know rather than take a chance on the absurd. Ontario is feeling the effects of electing the absurd, and Legault took just one day to start his goose step toward PQ style racism and hate.
Richard Mackay
@Daryl McMurphy Wow imagine where Quebec would be today on issues such as women working, women's education, Women's rights education in general separation of church and state, LGBTQ rights, etc... had that been the attitude during the Quiet revolution! Funny how back in the day we didn't see the Anglophone community upset when their little elite areas within Quebec provided Zero French services and in many cases refused outright to serve, hire, rent, etc... to the French speaking Quebecois as well as other minority groups!
Jim Moore
@Daryl McMurphy No Ontario voted Doug Ford in on mass and are behind him fully a few leftist complainers wont change anything, its time to face reality.
Jim Moore
@Richard Mackay Yea and now Quebec uses the Not withstanding Clause regularly to suppress anglophone rights, has Illegal language laws, doesn't provide services to anglophones in a majority of places even though 60% of Quebec is English as a first language, I don't see how its any better in your french utopia.
Richard Mackay
@Jim Moore Are you from Quebec? Do you know what it was like prior to the language laws? (Just to clarify I don't believe in it as it is presently) Well I am from Quebec and well in my 50s and even I can remember the "no French" signs and the NO service, no rent, etc... to French Quebecois (as well as other non "English") in many "Anglo" towns and even in the heart of the Island of Montreal! Do you remember that at first all that was asked was to provide bilingual signs and French service? Do you remember the reaction of the English in Quebec? Well it was NO and then they seemed surprised when the laws became more draconian!
Richard Mackay
@Jim Moore How about this. Quebec starts offering the same level of English services as BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Nova Scotia, PEI, Newfoundland and Labrador offer to the French. I'm sure that level of service would really please the Anglo community in Quebec! Funny how when living in BC my Japanese wife had an easier time finding provincial and Vancouver city services in Japanese than I did getting services services in French!
Jim Moore
@Richard Mackay And now you have swung full circle and treat the anglophones the same way, how does that make you any better? You even use the not withstanding clause to ignore the charter and violate anglophones rights constantly.
Jim Moore
@Richard Mackay I find it really funny you are so offended that you got treated poorly in British Columbia when its the exact same way your government treats anglophones in Quebec
David Amos
@Richard Mackay I am older than you and I remember things very differently
Richard Mackay @Jim Moore As you can take a guess from My name My family is quite mixed Francophone, Anglophone, Allophone. My wife is neither French nor English nor is my brother in-law both immigrants! It is interesting how not once have either of them had any problems getting English services from the Montreal, Quebec city or the Quebec provincial governments, nor have any other non French family members!
But to this day getting French service outside Quebec, Good luck! Quebec still treats the Non French way way way better than most or other provinces treat the French! So how about this Fix the other provinces first then they and you can come back and tell Quebec how bad it is! If I got half the services in French as the English get in Quebec I would have been over the moon happy!
Jim Moore
No voters in Canada on mass are sick of the Liberals, They were Trounced in the three most populated provinces and by a large margin, the Liberals are out in fall 2019, its pretty obvious.
David Amos
@Jim Moore Methinks even a few Independents may win next time N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@David Amos I ran against a Conservative lawyer by the name of Rob Moore twice thus far. Are you related? Anyway in the 2004 election he won the seat for the first time next time in 2015 we both lost. Perhaps the third time in 2019 will be a charm for me.
Andrew Farmer
If my riding had an Independent candidate with strong ethics, integrity and intelligence, with no strong religious affiliation I'd be all in.
Jim Moore
@Andrew Farmer Who is a wasted vote because they wont be able to do anything, you do realize how our system works right?
Andrew Farmer
@Jim Moore
Yup, better to waste a vote but have some integrity and honour. You know what that is right?
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David Amos
@Andrew Farmer Do you know of anyone who lives in Fundy Royal that thinks like you?
@Jim Moore I know exactly how the very corrupt system works. That is why I always run as an Independent. Laugh at me all you wish. At least I am a proud loser who has retained his common sense and sense of honour.
Doug Crawford
Maybe Canadians are sick of the "new", and want a return to the old ? Certainly many are sick of the Laurentian elites and especially the Trudeau.
David Amos
@Doug Crawford YUP
Richard Dekkar
The blue wave started in Ontario and is washing away red and orange stain and stench across the country.
David Amos
@Richard Dekkar Methinks you should study the results of the Elections in BC and NB closer N'esy Pas?
Bill Davis
They are----getting rid of Trudeau and anything liberal. Everywhere that is but the left coast loons in Vancouver and Vancouver Island.
Joe Talbot
@Bill Davis
There's pretty good logic behind that, the Right can get pretty disjointed too. Whatever the money says they'll do. If the Right in BC can find some integrity they'll get another shot.
David Amos
@Joe Talbot "If the Right in BC can find some integrity they'll get another shot"
Dream on
Peter Ray
It's not that we want something 'different'.
It that we want competence.
Somehow, the Liberals just don't get that virtue-signalling, divisive 'diversity', massive deficits, ignoring victims of crime, and pushing an unwanted and discriminatory feminist agenda is a major miss with voters.
One and gone in 2019.
David Amos
@Peter Ray "It that we want competence."
Me Too
Shawn Pieterson
And Canada will be open to something new federally. Mr. Dressup was a great kids show, but it's not what you want as PM.
Mar Pell
@Shawn Pieterson
I will take what we have now over an insurance salesman who hardly opens his mouth.
Look around at what is available for 2019 should make one easy to picki.
Jason Davidson
@Mar Pell
Mr. Scheer is an incredibly intelligent and well spoken man. He certainly doesn't shoot his mouth off like Justin, but thinks carefully and consistently makes wise decisions. Mr. Scheer will be our next Prime Minister and he will clean up Justin's mess.
David Amos
@Jason Davidson "Mr. Scheer is an incredibly intelligent and well spoken man"
Too Too Funny
David Amos
@Shawn Pieterson Methinks you need a lesson on hard ball politicking I trust that you know that Mr Dressup's people are laughing at you N'esy Pas?
Steven Scott
@Jason Davidson Boy he certainly has you hook line and sinker, but then again sheep are easily led .......
Mary Bellows
@David Amos
So because he doesn't go "ummmmm errrrrr ahhhhhhhhh Don't question meummmmmmmm errrrrrrrrrrr ahhhhhhhhhhh because I ummmmmmmmm ahhhhhhhh errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr am the Liberal ahhhhhh ummmmmmmmm errrrrrrrrrrrrr King"
Means he is not well spoken or intelligent?
Jason Davidson
@David Amos
Please share with my readers why you find that funny. I'm assuming you are suggesting Mr. Scheer is unintelligent/incompotent. If so, please share some insight and examples to educate us.
On the other hand, if you would like evidence that shows Justin is unintelligent/incompotent, please just ask and I would be more then happy to oblige. Just not sure how much time I have this morning. :)
David Amos
@Mary Bellows Nope it because he failed to answer my lawsuit when he had the chance.
David Amos
@Jason Davidson "If so, please share some insight and examples to educate us"
Google "David Amos Federal Court" and start reading
Steven Scott
@Mary Bellows I'd get your keyboard checked seems some of your keys are sticking, looks like gibberish .........
Jason Davidson
@Steven Scott
How does have 'have me'? Please explain to my readers your implications of deception. Funny how the radical left throws insults with no substance.
Jason Davidson
@Mary Bellows
haha! I suppose that's a good start.
Mary Bellows
@Steven Scott
Yes most librl sheep are easily led by the promise of legal pot and free money to buy it.
Jason Davidson
@David Amos
Not sure if any of us know about your secrete lawsuit David.
Jason Davidson
@Steven Scott
Probably a very similar mechanical function you'd find in Justin's brain. :)
David Amos
@Jason Davidson "Not sure if any of us know about your secrete lawsuit David."
Federal Court file # T-1557-15
BTW Whereas we are not friends its Mr Amos to you
Jason Davidson
@David
Just gave it a cursory scan. First observation is that this was not Mr. Scheer's call. Second, this case never should have even gotten to where it did.
Jason Davidson
@David Amos
All Canadian's are my friend David.
Steven Scott
@Jason Davidson You must think everyone waits for your posts, give us a brake "my readers" for a newbie you have high expectations that your readers hang on every word you say, conservatives they always have misguided priorities and totally fictitious fabricated fantasies, scheer is the brunt of the joke enjoyed by 70% of Canadians ..........
Jason Davidson
@Steven Scott
Steven, I'm sorry but you don't know who you are talking. I have thousands of readers and followers who enjoy reading my posts. Unfortunately my account has had to been refreshed several times over the past few years. But stick around and I'm sure you will become one of my followers :)
Jason Davidson
@David Amos
Looks like you have spent your fair share taxpayer resources David. Good for you.
David Amos
@Jason Davidson "All Canadian's are my friend David."
Nay Not I
Content disabled. David Amos
@Jason Davidson "Just gave it a cursory scan. First observation is that this was not Mr. Scheer's call. Second, this case never should have even gotten to where it did."
Clearly you know nothing of litigation N'esy Pas? Methinks my question should be who is your lawyer?
David Amos
@Jason Davidson "Just gave it a cursory scan. First observation is that this was not Mr. Scheer's call. Second, this case never should have even gotten to where it did."
Methinks you know nothing of litigation N'esy Pas?
Jason Davidson
This is very good news for the Scheer government. I think voters are getting tired of the arrogance and incompetence of Justin and his cronies.
Steven Scott
@Jason Davidson How could this be good news for scheer, conservatives never won a single seat in Quebec sounds like he lost big time and will lose even more seats with bernier running against him ........
Mary Bellows
@Steven Scott
Mainly it will take 78 seats away from your king. Meaning he will cry in the corner and be gone so we can have an adult running the country again.
David Amos
@Jason Davidson Methinks you are fishing for an audience N'esy Pas?
Jason Davidson
@Steven Scott
Google the relationship between the CAQ and Conservatives. The CAQ is the Conservative Party rebranded.
Steven Scott
@David Amos Just another over opinionated conservative who thinks someone will listen, kids what do you do with them ........
Jason Davidson
@David Amos
I think Mr. Amos wasted signficant Canadian tax payer resources with a begrudging legal process.
Jason Davidson
@Steven Scott You see, its this kind of shallow name calling and radical left arrogance that will be Justin's downfall.
Steven Scott
@Jason Davidson That happened on the Federal side also when the reformers killed the conservative party, this means the conservatives are officially dead in Canada and Quebec which is a good thing wouldn't you say ..........
@Steven Scott "kids what do you do with them ........"
Obviously I wish to debate them in a public forum financed by my fellow taxpayers
David Amos
@Jason Davidson Libel people much?
Quebec, N.B. elections show voters are open to something new
New parties of both the left and right have made breakthroughs as old parties fall back
Éric Grenier· CBC News·
François Legault formed the Coalition Avenir Québec in 2011. He won a majority government in his third election as leader on Monday. (Paul Chiasson/Canadian Press)
Voters in Canada appear to be in the mood for something a little different.
In two provincial elections in as many weeks, significant breakthroughs were made by parties formed so recently that, if they were voters themselves, they'd be too young to cast a ballot.
The older, established parties — the ones that have a history of governing — have taken a hit as a result. If a wave of anti-establishment voting is washing over the country, what impact could that have on next year's federal election?
In last week's provincial vote in New Brunswick, two small parties emerged as kingmakers. The People's Alliance — a conservative populist party — and the Greens each won three seats, enough to give them a lot of sway in a legislature otherwise made up of 22 Progressive Conservatives and 21 Liberals.
Both parties were contesting only their third elections and, between them, had only ever won a single seat in their previous two attempts. But 24.5 per cent of New Brunswickers cast a ballot for either the People's Alliance or the Greens — a remarkable result in a province that, with the exception of one election, has never elected more than one MLA at a time from outside the Liberal and PC parties in nearly a century.
In last week's provincial election in New Brunswick, and in his third election as leader, People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin finally won a seat, as did two other People's Alliance candidates. (CBC)
On Monday, Quebecers gave François Legault's centre-right Coalition Avenir Québec a majority government with 37.4 per cent of the vote. It was a historic result. The last time a party other than the Liberals or the Parti Québécois won an election in Quebec was in 1966.
But alongside the CAQ's decisive victory, a left-wing sovereignist party, Québec Solidaire, also made significant inroads. Formed in 2006, Québec Solidaire captured 16.1 per cent of the vote and elected 10 MNAs, pushing the PQ to fourth-party status in the National Assembly — a position the PQ hasn't held since it was a new party itself in 1970.
In Quebec, both the Liberals and the PQ received their lowest share of the vote in any election in their history. In New Brunswick, the combined score for the Liberals and PCs has only been lower once before — in 1991.
It all foreshadows what could be a period of considerable political disruption nationwide.
Something new on the left, something populist on the right
In New Brunswick and Quebec, political parties on the left were able to win new seats by offering to do politics differently.
Québec Solidaire was able to win seats from both the Liberals and PQ with a very left-wing platform.
One factor in the party's success undoubtedly was its co-spokesperson Manon Massé (the party has two 'leaders', one male and one female), who impressed in two French-language debates by keeping her cool while the other three leaders bickered. Clips of her rolling her eyes or bowing her head in frustration became instant social media memes among her supporters.
Party co-spokesperson Manon Massé has been credited with Québec Solidaire's breakthrough in Monday's provincial election. The party was founded in 2006. (Peter McCabe/Canadian Press )
The N.B. Greens capitalized on dissatisfaction with the two old-line parties, rather than any particular surge in environmental concerns in the province, to steal two seats away from the Liberals.
The B.C. Greens already hold the balance of power in British Columbia after last year's election.
Meanwhile, Ontario Green Leader Mike Schreiner won his seat in June's provincial vote — the first Green candidate to do so in the province's history — and the Greens in Prince Edward Island were leading in a recent poll.
If the federal Greens can also tap into voter dissatisfaction, they could make breakthroughs of their own next year. But Elizabeth May has been the leader of the party since 2006, making her the longest-serving leader of any provincial or federal party in the country. That might make it more difficult to present her and her party as the breath of fresh air voters were attracted to in New Brunswick and Quebec.
Last week, N.B. Green Leader David Coon led his party to three seats in its third election in the province.
The New Democrats could move unabashedly leftwards to differentiate themselves from the federal Liberals and Conservatives and align themselves with the youthful and enthusiastic base of Québec Solidaire. But QS still did worse in Quebec than the NDP did in the province in the 2015 federal election — and it remains a sovereignist party, which is an obvious no-go area for the NDP.
The CAQ and People's Alliance ran successful populist campaigns, promising to break the old, sclerotic patterns of each province's politics — the sovereignist-federalist divide in Quebec, the Liberal-PC duopoly in New Brunswick. What their proposals might have lacked in detail or practicality (think of the CAQ's immigration policy or the People's Alliance position on bilingualism) was more than made up for in their emotional appeal.
More disruption to come in 2019?
It is this strain that has the most potential to disrupt the 2019 federal election. The New Democrats are struggling under Jagmeet Singh and, despite the party's name, the NDP is far from a 'new' party. The Greens are an established brand at the federal level and would be unlikely to have an enormous impact on the results, even if they steal away a few more seats. Three or four MPs in a House of Commons of 338 can only do so much.
But the People's Party formed by ex-Conservative MP Maxime Bernier could still cause some trouble. Though it has been dismissed by his former colleagues as an incoherent vanity project, new figures announced by Bernier this week suggest the party is off to a decent start.
In an email blast to his followers, the Quebec MP claimed the People's Party has signed up 20,500 members already. That isn't an insignificant amount. The federal NDP, whose membership rolls include those of its provincial affiliates, had only 40,000 members at the beginning of its 2017 leadership race.
The Conservatives had 100,000 members at the start of that year when they were in the midst of their own leadership contest.
People's Party Leader Maxime Bernier says he has raised $338,000 and signed up 20,500 members for his party. (Adrian Wyld/Canadian Press)
Bernier also claims to have raised $338,000 in the five weeks since he left the Conservative Party — without being able to offer donors a tax credit. Extrapolated over a full year, it suggests the party could raise $3.5 million, putting it within range of the NDP and ahead of the Greens.
The People's Party still has a long way to go. Polls suggest that Bernier's appeal remains relatively limited, and there is no sign yet that a large number of people are reporting to pollsters their intention to vote for his party unprompted.
Local provincial politics played a decisive role in the success of these newer parties in the recent elections in Quebec and New Brunswick. But the results suggest that voters are ready and willing to abandon the old traditional parties in order to try something new.
There's an opportunity there. All that's left is for someone to grab it.
About the Author
Éric Grenier
Politics and polls
Éric Grenier is a senior writer and the CBC's polls analyst. He was the founder of ThreeHundredEight.com and has written for The Globe and Mail, Huffington Post Canada, The Hill Times, Le Devoir, and L’actualité.
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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Heather Collins <heather.collins.panb@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 00:22:36 -0300 Subject: Re: Ambulance contract details can stay secret,judge rules Surprise Surprise N'esy Pas Premier Gallant? To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
I know right so there we know there is a lot being hidden for sure and everyone is so tight lipped!!!! Amazing what happens when they hire their own lawyers right!!! We’ll get no good nobodies lol
> > http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2018/04/nb-power-and-lawyers-such-as-michael.html > > > Thursday, 5 April 2018 > > NB Power and lawyers such as Michael Dixon like to keep secrets from > us but I see no reason to act like they do N'esy Pas? > > > ---------- Original message ---------- > From: "Gallant, Premier Brian (PO/CPM)"<Brian.Gallant@gnb.ca> > Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 00:29:11 +0000 > Subject: RE: Yo Chucky LeBlond remember me? Need I say what I read in > CBC about Medavie Health Services is just more PURE D BULLSHIT? > To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> > > Thank you for writing to the Premier of New Brunswick. Please be > assured that your email will be reviewed. > > If this is a media request, please forward your email to > media-medias@gnb.camedia-medias@gnb.ca > . Thank you! > > ****************************** > ******* > > Nous vous remercions d’avoir communiqué avec le premier ministre du > Nouveau-Brunswick. Soyez assuré(e) que votre courriel sera examiné. > > Si ceci est une demande médiatique, prière de la transmettre à > media-medias@gnb.camedia-medias@gnb.ca > . Merci! > > > > http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/medavie-contract-judge-ruling-1.4732457 > > > Ambulance contract details can stay secret, judge rules > Ambulance New Brunswick wins bid to keep contract details from taxpayers > > Shane Magee · CBC News · Posted: Jul 03, 2018 5:57 PM AT > > > 15 Comments > > > David Amos > "Methinks folks should read this real slow then ask the people > knocking on your dor this summer seeking their vote a very simple > question. > > Who is the boss the public or the government? It certainly should not > be Bernie Lord and his lawyer pals N'esy Pas? > > The province, Rideout said, provided evidence that only set out known > facts, then said it feels the full uncensored contract should be > released. > > "There are no facts to support that position," Rideout said. > > The decision cannot be appealed. > > LeBlond said he couldn't comment Tuesday because he had yet to read > the decision. The province did not immediately respond to a request > for comment." > -- Thank you Heather Collins PANB Candidate for Riverview, NB
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Dear Green Party Candidates, Volunteers, and Supporters,
What an election! And, WOW, what a showing! Three MLAs, more than 11% of the popular vote, and major inroads all across the province. The final fundraising tally isn’t in yet, but together we raised tens of thousands of dollars for this campaign, more than double what we raised last election!
Whether you put up a sign, knocked on doors, talked to family and friends about policies, wrote a cheque, shared information on social media, or ran as a candidate – thank YOU! The success of the campaign across the province is because of your efforts.
I know there are some disappointed Green teams this morning, but just because you didn’t win your riding doesn’t mean your amazing efforts weren’t noticed and appreciated. In many ridings, the old parties are getting nervous about the growing support for Green candidates. Over and over during the last few weeks I have been impressed by stories from all across our beautiful province of campaign teams working harder than we ever could have dreamed. Everything you did for this campaign helped up the ante and raise the bar for the next election.
One thing is certain: We are building a movement. A movement that is because of you, and FOR you and your children and their children. A movement I’m very proud to be a part of.
Here’s to 2022!
Raissa Marks, Chair Green Party of New Brunswick 2018 Election Strategy Committee
Carmen Budilean, Executive Director of the Green Party of New Brunswick
Vern Faulkner, President of the Green Party of New Brunswick
Chers canditats, bénévoles et partisans du parti Vert,
Quelle élection! Et, WOW, quelle démonstration ! Trois députés, plus que 11 % du vote et des améliorations majeurs à travers la province. Le décompte final de la collecte de fonds n’est pas encore connu, mais nous avons recueilli des dizaines de milliers de dollars pour cette campagne, plus que double de ce que nous avons recueilli lors de la dernière élection !
Que vous ayez mis une pancarte, frappé aux portes, parlé des politiques à votre famille et à vos amis, fait un chèque, partagé de l'information sur les médias sociaux ou présenté votre candidature - merci à VOUS ! Le succès de la campagne à l'échelle de la province est attribuable à vos efforts.
Je sais qu'il y a des équipes vertes déçues ce matin, mais ce n'est pas parce que vous n'avez pas gagné votre circonscription que vos efforts extraordinaires n'ont pas été remarqués et appréciés. Dans de nombreuses circonscriptions, les anciens partis s'inquiètent de l'appui croissant des candidats verts. Au cours des dernières semaines, j'ai été impressionné à maintes reprises par les récits de nos belles équipes de campagne qui ont travaillé plus fort que nous n'aurions jamais pu l'imaginer à travers toute la province. Vous avez vraiment mis le paquet durant les dernière semaines et tout ce que vous avez fait a placé la barre très haut pour les prochaines élections.
Une chose est certaine : Nous construisons un mouvement. Un mouvement qui est à cause de vous, et POUR vous et vos enfants et leurs enfants. Un mouvement dont je suis très fière de faire partie.
À 2022 !
Raissa Marks, Présidente du Comité de la stratégie électorale 2018 du Parti Vert du Nouveau-Brunswick
Carmen Budilean, Directrice executive du Parti vert du Nouveau-Brunswick
Vern Faulkner, Président du Parti vert du Nouveau-Brunswick
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Parti Vert NB Green Party <info@greenpartynb.ca> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 12:51:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: What a showing! / Quelle démonstration ! To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Dear Green Party Candidates, Volunteers, and Supporters,
What an election! And, WOW, what a showing! Three MLAs, more than 11% of the popular vote, and major inroads all across the province. The final fundraising tally isn’t in yet, but together we raised tens of thousands of dollars for this campaign, more than double what we raised last election!
Whether you put up a sign, knocked on doors, talked to family and friends about policies, wrote a cheque, shared information on social media, or ran as a candidate – thank YOU! The success of the campaign across the province is because of your efforts.
I know there are some disappointed Green teams this morning, but just because you didn’t win your riding doesn’t mean your amazing efforts weren’t noticed and appreciated. In many ridings, the old parties are getting nervous about the growing support for Green candidates. Over and over during the last few weeks I have been impressed by stories from all across our beautiful province of campaign teams working harder than we ever could have dreamed. Everything you did for this campaign helped up the ante and raise the bar for the next election.
One thing is certain: We are building a movement. A movement that is because of you, and FOR you and your children and their children. A movement I’m very proud to be a part of.
Here’s to 2022!
Raissa Marks, Chair Green Party of New Brunswick 2018 Election Strategy Committee
Carmen Budilean, Executive Director of the Green Party of New Brunswick
Vern Faulkner, President of the Green Party of New Brunswick
Chers canditats, bénévoles et partisans du parti Vert,
Quelle élection! Et, WOW, quelle démonstration ! Trois députés, plus que 11 % du vote et des améliorations majeurs à travers la province. Le décompte final de la collecte de fonds n’est pas encore connu, mais nous avons recueilli des dizaines de milliers de dollars pour cette campagne, plus que double de ce que nous avons recueilli lors de la dernière élection !
Que vous ayez mis une pancarte, frappé aux portes, parlé des politiques à votre famille et à vos amis, fait un chèque, partagé de l'information sur les médias sociaux ou présenté votre candidature - merci à VOUS ! Le succès de la campagne à l'échelle de la province est attribuable à vos efforts.
Je sais qu'il y a des équipes vertes déçues ce matin, mais ce n'est pas parce que vous n'avez pas gagné votre circonscription que vos efforts extraordinaires n'ont pas été remarqués et appréciés. Dans de nombreuses circonscriptions, les anciens partis s'inquiètent de l'appui croissant des candidats verts. Au cours des dernières semaines, j'ai été impressionné à maintes reprises par les récits de nos belles équipes de campagne qui ont travaillé plus fort que nous n'aurions jamais pu l'imaginer à travers toute la province. Vous avez vraiment mis le paquet durant les dernière semaines et tout ce que vous avez fait a placé la barre très haut pour les prochaines élections.
Une chose est certaine : Nous construisons un mouvement. Un mouvement qui est à cause de vous, et POUR vous et vos enfants et leurs enfants. Un mouvement dont je suis très fière de faire partie.
À 2022 !
Raissa Marks, Présidente du Comité de la stratégie électorale 2018 du Parti Vert du Nouveau-Brunswick
Carmen Budilean, Directrice executive du Parti vert du Nouveau-Brunswick
Vern Faulkner, Président du Parti vert du Nouveau-Brunswick
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Britt Dysart <bdysart@stewartmckelvey.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 04:04:48 +0000 Subject: Automatic reply: A little Deja Vu for nasty Chucky Leblanc and his pals the snobby journalists, cops, lawyers, politcians and pensioners To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
I will be away from the office indefinitely and will have limited access to email and voicemail. If you require assistance during this time, please email or call my Partner, Clarence Bennett (cbennett@stewartmckelvey.com<mailto:cbennett@stewartmckelvey.com>; 506.444.8978).
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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Mercier-Allain, Diane (LEG)"<Diane.Mercier-Allain@gnb.ca> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 04:04:43 +0000 Subject: Automatic reply: A little Deja Vu for nasty Chucky Leblanc and his pals the snobby journalists, cops, lawyers, politcians and pensioners To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
I am currently away from the office. I will return August 13, 2018. Please direct any inquiries by phone to 506 453-2506 or by email to wwwleg@gnb.ca .
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Je ne suis pas au bureau. Je serai de retour le 13 août 2018. Si vous avez des questions pendant mon absence, veuillez communiquer par téléphone au 506 453-2506 ou par courriel au wwwleg@gnb.ca .
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Forsætisráðuneytið <for@for.is> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 04:04:44 +0000 Subject: Forsætisráðuneytið hefur móttekið tölvupóst þinn / Prime Minister's Office hereby confirms the receipt of your email. To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Forsætisráðuneytið hefur móttekið tölvupóst þinn / Prime Minister's Office hereby confirms the receipt of your email.
Vinsamlega ekki svara þessum tölvupósti, hafið samband í gegnum for@for.is / Do not reply to this email. Contact us with any queries via for@for.is
Liberal candidate, Quispamsis, NB. Communications Manager. Quispamsis, New Brunswick
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: AARON KENNEDY <scoop88@rogers.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 09:20:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Yo Marc Garneau say hey to the Brazilians and Icelanders in Ottawa for me will ya? To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Mr. Amos, I am not a publically-elected official, so I would respectfully request that you remove me from your email list. Regards, Aaron Kennedy
From: marc.garneau.a1@parl.gc.ca Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 12:07:48 -0500 Subject: Absence du bureau : Yo Britt Dysart say hey to Landslide Annie and her buddy Trudeau the Younger for will ya? To: motomaniac333@gmail.com
Je serai absent du bureau jusqu'au 6 janvier 2014. Pour une assistance immédiate, contactez marc.garneau@parl.gc.ca. Pour les questions urgentes vous pouvez me joindre au 613-220-2287.
Merci,
Jean Proulx Adjoint parlementaire et attaché de presse
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I will be away from the office until January 6, 2014. For immediate assistance please contact marc.garneau@parl.gc.ca. For urgent matters I can be reached at 613-220-2287.
Best regards,
Jean Proulx
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: postur@for.is Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:06:30 +0000 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re Glen Greenwald and the Brazilian President Rousseff's indignant tweets So Stevey Boy Harper your CSEC dudes and their NSA pals no doubt know all about my conversation with the dudes from Brazil last month Wheras the CBC and the Guardian etc want to know it all we should share EH? To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Erindi þitt hefur verið móttekið / Your request has been received
Kveðja / Best regards Forsætisráðuneytið / Prime Minister's Office
The Coalition, through our lawyer, received the Statement of Defense from the Crown -" the Province" last week. As soon as we have more information from our lawyer regarding next steps, we will forward you the Statements of Claim and Defense and any other key information. In the meantime, please find attached a press release from Pipsc and an article in Pension and Benefit Monitor - a national publication that we think would be of interest to you.
Sunday, 14 May 2017 RE Federal Court File No T-1557-15 Here is something for your friends Chucky Leblanc and Caroline Lubbe-Darcy to write about before May 24th Nesy Pas David Coon?
The People's Alliance of New Brunswick annual meeting is visited by Blogger!! Charles Leblanc Published on May 13, 2017
I presume we all know who sent Chucky to checkout PANB's big meeting N'esy Pas?
Caroline Lubbedarcy May 7 at 1:16pm • Who are the guest speakers lined up for Sat. pm?
Geraldine Barton Vern Faulkner , Willy Scholten and Dr Dharm Singh May 8 at 11:43am
Caroline Lubbedarcy Geraldine Barton what are the topics? May 8 at 11:47am
Geraldine Barton Vern. Right to information and transparent. Willy double tax and Dr Singh from the NB medical society May 8 at 11:50am
Caroline Lubbedarcy Great thanks! May 8 at 11:54am
Caroline Lubbedarcy Great topics! Is this listed somewhere on-line? I would like to post about the AGM and speakers on New Brunswick First-Political Dialogue May 8 at 11:56am
Geraldine Barton It will be released this afternoon. Check the website periodically. Be nice to meet you on the weekend.
---------- Original message ---------- From: "Gallant, Premier Brian (PO/CPM)"Brian.Gallant@gnb.ca Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 18:34:10 +0000 Subject: RE: Attn Michael Comeau Federal Court File No T-1557-15 Please see attached file for you to review before May 24th To: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
Thank you for writing to the Premier of New Brunswick. Please be assured that your email will be reviewed.
---------- Original message ---------- From: "Dalton, Craig (SD/DS)"Craig.Dalton@gnb.ca Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 18:34:10 +0000 Subject: Automatic reply: Attn Michael Comeau Federal Court File No T-1557-15 Please see attached file for you to review before May 24th To: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
I have recently assumed new responsibilities and I am no longer serving as Deputy Minister of Social Development.
Please note that Kim Embleton who is currently Assistant Deputy Minister of Corporate Services, assumes the role of Acting Deputy Minister for the department. She can be reached at kim.embleton@gnb.ca .
Thank you
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J'ai récemment assumé de nouvelles responsabilités et je ne suis plus en fonction en tant que sous-ministre du Développement social.
Veuillez noter que Kim Embleton, la sous-ministre adjointe de la Division des services ministériels, assumera les fonctions de sous-ministre par intérim. Elle peut être rejointe à kim.embleton@gnb.ca .
Now that you have the top Justice job in NB it is you I will argue soemday in several courts Correct?
If you wish to recall you and spoke personally 11 elven very long years ago and i have sent you many emails since then that you have ignore. If you deleted them in aeffort to play dumb well you should know that you or anyone else can Google your name and mine to review several of my emails to you published on the Internet over the years
Premier Brian Gallant makes changes to senior civil service staff Number of deputy ministers is now 18, down 36 per cent from 2014. CBC News Posted: May 13, 2017 1:56 PM AT
The Liberal government made some changes to the senior ranks of the provincial civil service Friday, shuffling responsibilities between deputy ministers.
Premier Brian Gallant says jobs, education and health care remain priorities for our government.
"These changes will bring a renewed focus to these areas and enable us to continue to work hard to get things done for New Brunswickers," the premier said.
Changes include:
Eric Beaulieu, currently deputy clerk of the Executive Council Office and assistant deputy minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, will become deputy minister of Social Development and president of the Economic and Social Inclusion Corporation on May 23. Beaulieu replaces Craig Dalton, who has taken a position with the provincial government in P.E.I. Hélène Bouchard will succeed Beaulieu as assistant deputy minister of intergovernmental affairs. Patricia Brown-MacKenzie will replace Beaulieu as deputy clerk of the Executive Council. She holds and will keep numerous positions including deputy secretary to cabinet, secretary to the Jobs Board, secretary to the Policy Board and assistant deputy minister responsible for policy in the Executive Council Office. Michael Comeau, who is the current assistant deputy minister with Justice and Public Safety, will become deputy minister of Justice and Public Safety on June 3. Comeau replaces Johanne Bray, who has taken a position in her native Ottawa. Bill Levesque, deputy minister of Intergovernmental Affairs will take on the additional responsibilities of deputy minister of Aboriginal Affairs and the government's First Nations representative effective immediately. He will replace Patrick Francis and Judith Keating, who are retiring from the civil service.
As a result of the changes, the number of deputy ministers is now 18, which is a reduction of 36 per cent from September 2014.
Government departments reduced, 'priority units' created
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jody.Wilson-Raybould@parl.gc.ca Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 13:11:20 +0000 Subject: Automatic reply: The RCMP and Stephen McGrath the Deputy Minister of Justice of Nova Scotia should never forget their invitation to sue them N'esy Pas Gilles Moreau"? To: motomaniac333@gmail.com
Thank you for writing to the Honourable Jody Wilson-Raybould, Member of Parliament for Vancouver Granville.
This message is to acknowledge that we are in receipt of your email. Due to the significant increase in the volume of correspondence, there may be a delay in processing your email. Rest assured that your message will be carefully reviewed.
To help us address your concerns more quickly, please include within the body of your email your full name, address, and postal code.
Please note that your message will be forwarded to the Department of Justice if it concerns topics pertaining to the member's role as the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada. For all future correspondence addressed to the Minister of Justice, please write directly to the Department of Justice at mcu@justice.gc.camcu@justice.gc.ca> or call 613-957-4222.
Thank you
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Merci d'?crire ? l'honorable Jody Wilson-Raybould, d?put?e de Vancouver Granville.
Le pr?sent message vise ? vous informer que nous avons re?u votre courriel. En raison d'une augmentation importante du volume de correspondance, il pourrait y avoir un retard dans le traitement de votre courriel. Sachez que votre message sera examin? attentivement.
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Frustration mounts in Shippagan-Lamèque-Miscou ahead of election
A battle is brewing between PC star candidate Robert Gauvin and Liberal incumbent Wilfred Roussel Gabrielle Fahmy · CBC News · Posted: Sep 21, 2018 8:19 AM AT
Serge Gauvin Registrar General of Land Titles Called to the bar: 1995 (NB) Phone: 506-457-6933 Fax: 506-444-3033 Email: serge.gauvin@snb.ca Patrick V. Windle Deputy Registrar General of Land Titles Called to the bar: 1997 (NB) Email: patrick.windle@snb.ca Service New Brunswick Land Registry, 985 College Hill Rd. PO Box 1998, Stn. A Fredericton, New Brunswick E3B 5G4
---------- Original message ---------- From: "Auto-reply from kevhache@nb.aibn.com"<kevhache@nb.aibn.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 18:20:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Too Funny I just talked to Claude Landry Elvy Robichaud’s old Chief of Staff He forgot what went down in 2004 and the emails I sent him since To: david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com
Bonjour
Je serais absent du bureau du 6 aout au 22 aout inclusivement. Le bureau sera fermé du 6 au 19 aout inclusivement pour les vacances d ete et sera ouvert a partir du 20 aout. Bonne Vacance a tous
Je retournerais votre courriel a mon retour.
Kevin J. Hache
CABINET KEVIN J. HACHE 8 Boul St-Pierre Ouest C.P. 5662 Caraquet NB E1W 1B7 506 727 5150 (telephone) 506 727 6686 (telecopieur) kevhache@nb.sympatico.ca
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Brian Gallant <briangallant10@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 06:01:57 -0700 Subject: Merci / Thank you Re: Fwd: I just called Alan Roy again about my right to health care, my missing 1965 Harley, the Yankee Wiretaps tapes in its saddlebag and Federal Court and his assistant played dumb as usual To: motomaniac333@gmail.com
(Français à suivre)
If your email is pertaining to the Government of New Brunswick, please email me at brian.gallant@gnb.ca
If your matter is urgent, please email Greg Byrne at greg.byrne@gnb.ca
Thank you.
Si votre courriel s'addresse au Gouvernement du Nouveau-Brunswick, svp m'envoyez un courriel à brian.gallant@gnb.ca
Pour les urgences, veuillez contacter Greg Byrne à greg.byrne@gnb.ca
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Marc Richard <MRichard@lawsociety-barreau.nb.ca> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 22:51:09 +0000 Subject: Automatic reply: RE Irving's ridiculous constitutional challenge and Federal Court File no T-1557-15 I wonder if George Cooper and Hélène Beaulieure even know how many times the Irvings and partners of their VERY snobby law firm have offended me over t... To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
I will be out of the office until October 30, 2017. Je serai absent du bureau jusqu'au 30 octobre 2017.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Eidt, David (OAG/CPG)"<David.Eidt@gnb.ca> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 00:33:21 +0000 Subject: Automatic reply: Yo Mr Lutz howcome your buddy the clerk would not file this motion and properly witnessed affidavit and why did she take all four copies? To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
I will be out of the office until Monday, March 13, 2017. I will have little to no access to email. Please dial 453-2222 for assistance.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Marc Richard <MRichard@lawsociety-barreau.nb.ca> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 13:16:46 +0000 Subject: Automatic reply: RE: The New Brunswick Real Estate Association and their deliberate ignorance for the bankster's benefit To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
I will be out of the office until August 15, 2016. Je serai absent du bureau jusqu'au 15 août 2016.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "McNair, John (SNB)"<John.McNair@snb.ca> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 16:04:29 +0000 Subject: Automatic reply: RE: The New Brunswick Real Estate Association and their deliberate ignorance for the bankster's benefit To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
I will be out of the office August 1 - August 12. I will reply to your email when I return. If you require immediate assistance, please contact Chantal Leger at 663-2510. Thank you.
Je serai absent du bureau les 1 aout - 12 aout. Je répondrai à votre courriel à mon retour. Si vous nécessitez de l'assistance immédiatement, veuillez contacter Chantal Leger au 663-2510. Merci.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Hardy, Erin (SNB)"<Erin.Hardy@snb.ca> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 16:04:28 +0000 Subject: Automatic reply: RE: The New Brunswick Real Estate Association and their deliberate ignorance for the bankster's benefit To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Le francais suit:
Hello,
I am currently out of the office. I will gladly reply to your message upon my return on August 15, 2016. Should you require immediate assitance please contact Celeste Savoie at (506) 471-5290 or by email: Celeste.Savoie@snb.ca.
Have a nice day!
Bonjour,
Je suis presentement hors du bureau. Il me fera plaisir de repondre a votre message a mon retour August 15, 2016. Si vous avez besoin d'une assitance immediate, veuillez communiquer avec Celeste Savoie au (506) 471-5290 ou par courriel a: Celeste.Savoie@snb.ca.
Bonne journee!
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Marc Richard <MRichard@lawsociety-barreau.nb.ca> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 17:43:27 +0000 Subject: Automatic reply: Oh My My we just talked briefly Correct Ms Beaulieu? It appears to me that the latest President of the NB Law Society thinks non lawyers are not worth talking to To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
I will be out of the office until July 21, 2014. Je serai absent du bureau jusqu'au 21 juillet 2014.
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:32:09 -0400 > Subject: Attn Integrity Commissioner Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C., > To: coi@gnb.ca > Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com > > Good Day Sir > > After I heard you speak on CBC I called your office again and managed > to speak to one of your staff for the first time > > Please find attached the documents I promised to send to the lady who > answered the phone this morning. Please notice that not after the Sgt > at Arms took the documents destined to your office his pal Tanker > Malley barred me in writing with an "English" only document. > > These are the hearings and the dockets in Federal Court that I > suggested that you study closely. > > This is the docket in Federal Court > > http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=T-1557-15&select_court=T > > These are digital recordings of the last three hearings > > Dec 14th https://archive.org/details/BahHumbug > > January 11th, 2016 https://archive.org/details/Jan11th2015 > > April 3rd, 2017 > > https://archive.org/details/April32017JusticeLeblancHearing > > > This is the docket in the Federal Court of Appeal > > http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=A-48-16&select_court=All > > > The only hearing thus far > > May 24th, 2017 > > https://archive.org/details/May24thHoedown > > > This Judge understnds the meaning of the word Integrity > > Date: 20151223 > > Docket: T-1557-15 > > Fredericton, New Brunswick, December 23, 2015 > > PRESENT: The Honourable Mr. Justice Bell > > BETWEEN: > > DAVID RAYMOND AMOS > > Plaintiff > > and > > HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN > > Defendant > > ORDER > > (Delivered orally from the Bench in Fredericton, New Brunswick, on > December 14, 2015) > > The Plaintiff seeks an appeal de novo, by way of motion pursuant to > the Federal Courts Rules (SOR/98-106), from an Order made on November > 12, 2015, in which Prothonotary Morneau struck the Statement of Claim > in its entirety. > > At the outset of the hearing, the Plaintiff brought to my attention a > letter dated September 10, 2004, which he sent to me, in my then > capacity as Past President of the New Brunswick Branch of the Canadian > Bar Association, and the then President of the Branch, Kathleen Quigg, > (now a Justice of the New Brunswick Court of Appeal). In that letter > he stated: > > As for your past President, Mr. Bell, may I suggest that you check the > work of Frank McKenna before I sue your entire law firm including you. > You are your brother’s keeper. > > Frank McKenna is the former Premier of New Brunswick and a former > colleague of mine at the law firm of McInnes Cooper. In addition to > expressing an intention to sue me, the Plaintiff refers to a number of > people in his Motion Record who he appears to contend may be witnesses > or potential parties to be added. Those individuals who are known to > me personally, include, but are not limited to the former Prime > Minister of Canada, The Right Honourable Stephen Harper; former > Attorney General of Canada and now a Justice of the Manitoba Court of > Queen’s Bench, Vic Toews; former member of Parliament Rob Moore; > former Director of Policing Services, the late Grant Garneau; former > Chief of the Fredericton Police Force, Barry McKnight; former Staff > Sergeant Danny Copp; my former colleagues on the New Brunswick Court > of Appeal, Justices Bradley V. Green and Kathleen Quigg, and, retired > Assistant Commissioner Wayne Lang of the Royal Canadian Mounted > Police. > > In the circumstances, given the threat in 2004 to sue me in my > personal capacity and my past and present relationship with many > potential witnesses and/or potential parties to the litigation, I am > of the view there would be a reasonable apprehension of bias should I > hear this motion. See Justice de Grandpré’s dissenting judgment in > Committee for Justice and Liberty et al v National Energy Board et al, > [1978] 1 SCR 369 at p 394 for the applicable test regarding > allegations of bias. In the circumstances, although neither party has > requested I recuse myself, I consider it appropriate that I do so. > > > AS A RESULT OF MY RECUSAL, THIS COURT ORDERS that the Administrator of > the Court schedule another date for the hearing of the motion. There > is no order as to costs. > > “B. Richard Bell” > Judge > > > Below after the CBC article about your concerns (I made one comment > already) you will find the text of just two of many emails I had sent > to your office over the years since I first visited it in 2006. > > I noticed that on July 30, 2009, he was appointed to the the Court > Martial Appeal Court of Canada Perhaps you should scroll to the > bottom of this email ASAP and read the entire Paragraph 83 of my > lawsuit now before the Federal Court of Canada? > > "FYI This is the text of the lawsuit that should interest Trudeau the most > > > ---------- Original message ---------- > From: justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca > Date: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:18 PM > Subject: Réponse automatique : RE My complaint against the CROWN in > Federal Court Attn David Hansen and Peter MacKay If you planning to > submit a motion for a publication ban on my complaint trust that you > dudes are way past too late > To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com > > Veuillez noter que j'ai changé de courriel. Vous pouvez me rejoindre à > lalanthier@hotmail.com > > Pour rejoindre le bureau de M. Trudeau veuillez envoyer un courriel à > tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca > > Please note that I changed email address, you can reach me at > lalanthier@hotmail.com > > To reach the office of Mr. Trudeau please send an email to > tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca > > Thank you, > > Merci , > > > http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2015/09/v-behaviorurldefaultvmlo.html > > > 83. The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war > in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to > allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over > five years after he began his bragging: > > January 13, 2015 > This Is Just AS Relevant Now As When I wrote It During The Debate > > December 8, 2014 > Why Canada Stood Tall! > > Friday, October 3, 2014 > Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And > Stupid Justin Trudeau > > Canada’s and Canadians free ride is over. Canada can no longer hide > behind Amerka’s and NATO’s skirts. > > When I was still in Canadian Forces then Prime Minister Jean Chretien > actually committed the Canadian Army to deploy in the second campaign > in Iraq, the Coalition of the Willing. This was against or contrary to > the wisdom or advice of those of us Canadian officers that were > involved in the initial planning phases of that operation. There were > significant concern in our planning cell, and NDHQ about of the dearth > of concern for operational guidance, direction, and forces for > operations after the initial occupation of Iraq. At the “last minute” > Prime Minister Chretien and the Liberal government changed its mind. > The Canadian government told our amerkan cousins that we would not > deploy combat troops for the Iraq campaign, but would deploy a > Canadian Battle Group to Afghanistan, enabling our amerkan cousins to > redeploy troops from there to Iraq. The PMO’s thinking that it was > less costly to deploy Canadian Forces to Afghanistan than Iraq. But > alas no one seems to remind the Liberals of Prime Minister Chretien’s > then grossly incorrect assumption. Notwithstanding Jean Chretien’s > incompetence and stupidity, the Canadian Army was heroic, > professional, punched well above it’s weight, and the PPCLI Battle > Group, is credited with “saving Afghanistan” during the Panjway > campaign of 2006. > > What Justin Trudeau and the Liberals don’t tell you now, is that then > Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien committed, and deployed the > Canadian army to Canada’s longest “war” without the advice, consent, > support, or vote of the Canadian Parliament. > > What David Amos and the rest of the ignorant, uneducated, and babbling > chattering classes are too addled to understand is the deployment of > less than 75 special operations troops, and what is known by planners > as a “six pac cell” of fighter aircraft is NOT the same as a > deployment of a Battle Group, nor a “war” make. > > The Canadian Government or The Crown unlike our amerkan cousins have > the “constitutional authority” to commit the Canadian nation to war. > That has been recently clearly articulated to the Canadian public by > constitutional scholar Phillippe Legasse. What Parliament can do is > remove “confidence” in The Crown’s Government in a “vote of > non-confidence.” That could not happen to the Chretien Government > regarding deployment to Afghanistan, and it won’t happen in this > instance with the conservative majority in The Commons regarding a > limited Canadian deployment to the Middle East. > > President George Bush was quite correct after 911 and the terror > attacks in New York; that the Taliban “occupied” and “failed state” > Afghanistan was the source of logistical support, command and control, > and training for the Al Quaeda war of terror against the world. The > initial defeat, and removal from control of Afghanistan was vital and > > P.S. Whereas this CBC article is about your opinion of the actions of > the latest Minister Of Health trust that Mr Boudreau and the CBC have > had my files for many years and the last thing they are is ethical. > Ask his friends Mr Murphy and the RCMP if you don't believe me. > > Subject: > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:35 -0400 > From: "Murphy, Michael B. \(DH/MS\)"MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca > To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com > > January 30, 2007 > > WITHOUT PREJUDICE > > Mr. David Amos > > Dear Mr. Amos: > > This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29, > 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP. > > Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have > taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve > Graham of the RCMP “J” Division in Fredericton. > > Sincerely, > > Honourable Michael B. Murphy > Minister of Health > > CM/cb > > > Warren McBeath warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote: > > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:34:53 -0500 > From: "Warren McBeath"warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca > To: kilgoursite@ca.inter.net, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca, > nada.sarkis@gnb.ca, wally.stiles@gnb.ca, dwatch@web.net, > motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com > CC: ottawa@chuckstrahl.com, riding@chuckstrahl.com,John.Foran@gnb.ca, > Oda.B@parl.gc.ca,"Bev BUSSON"bev.busson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, > "Paul Dube"PAUL.DUBE@rcmp-grc.gc.ca > Subject: Re: Remember me Kilgour? Landslide Annie McLellan has > forgotten me but the crooks within the RCMP have not > > Dear Mr. Amos, > > Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off > over the holidays and returned to work this evening. Rest assured I > was not ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns. > > As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our position > is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process > testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the > Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these > services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this > instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done. > > As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false > imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear > that Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada > the US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment > and policing in Petitcodiac, NB. > > It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on > December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors. > > Sincerely, > > Warren McBeath, Cpl. > GRC Caledonia RCMP > Traffic Services NCO > Ph: (506) 387-2222 > Fax: (506) 387-4622 > E-mail warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca > > > > Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C., > Office of the Integrity Commissioner > Edgecombe House, 736 King Street > Fredericton, N.B. CANADA E3B 5H1 > tel.: 506-457-7890 > fax: 506-444-5224 > e-mail:coi@gnb.ca >
Mr. Amos, We acknowledge receipt of your recent emails to the Deputy Minister of Justice and lawyers within the Legal Services Division of the Department of Justice respecting a possible claim against the Province of Nova Scotia. Service of any documents respecting a legal claim against the Province of Nova Scotia may be served on the Attorney General at 1690 Hollis Street, Halifax, NS. Please note that we will not be responding to further emails on this matter.
Sunday, 19 November 2017 Federal Court of Appeal Finally Makes The BIG Decision And Publishes It Now The Crooks Cannot Take Back Ticket To Try Put My Matter Before The Supreme Court
BETWEEN: DAVID RAYMOND AMOS Respondent on the cross-appeal (and formally Appellant) and HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN Appellant on the cross-appeal (and formerly Respondent) Heard at Fredericton, New Brunswick, on May 24, 2017. Judgment delivered at Ottawa, Ontario, on October 30, 2017. REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY:
THE COURT
Date: 20171030
Docket: A-48-16 Citation: 2017 FCA 213 CORAM:
WEBB J.A. NEAR J.A. GLEASON J.A.
BETWEEN: DAVID RAYMOND AMOS Respondent on the cross-appeal (and formally Appellant) and HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN Appellant on the cross-appeal (and formerly Respondent) REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY THE COURT
I. Introduction
[1] On September 16, 2015, David Raymond Amos (Mr. Amos) filed a 53-page Statement of Claim (the Claim) in Federal Court against Her Majesty the Queen (the Crown). Mr. Amos claims $11 million in damages and a public apology from the Prime Minister and Provincial Premiers for being illegally barred from accessing parliamentary properties and seeks a declaration from the Minister of Public Safety that the Canadian Government will no longer allow the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) and Canadian Forces to harass him and his clan (Claim at para. 96).
[2] On November 12, 2015 (Docket T-1557-15), by way of a motion brought by the Crown, a prothonotary of the Federal Court (the Prothonotary) struck the Claim in its entirety, without leave to amend, on the basis that it was plain and obvious that the Claim disclosed no reasonable claim, the Claim was fundamentally vexatious, and the Claim could not be salvaged by way of further amendment (the Prothontary’s Order).
[3] On January 25, 2016 (2016 FC 93), by way of Mr. Amos’ appeal from the Prothonotary’s Order, a judge of the Federal Court (the Judge), reviewing the matter de novo, struck all of Mr. Amos’ claims for relief with the exception of the claim for damages for being barred by the RCMP from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004 (the Federal Court Judgment).
[4] Mr. Amos appealed and the Crown cross-appealed the Federal Court Judgment. Further to the issuance of a Notice of Status Review, Mr. Amos’ appeal was dismissed for delay on December 19, 2016. As such, the only matter before this Court is the Crown’s cross-appeal.
II. Preliminary Matter
[5] Mr. Amos, in his memorandum of fact and law in relation to the cross-appeal that was filed with this Court on March 6, 2017, indicated that several judges of this Court, including two of the judges of this panel, had a conflict of interest in this appeal. This was the first time that he identified the judges whom he believed had a conflict of interest in a document that was filed with this Court. In his notice of appeal he had alluded to a conflict with several judges but did not name those judges.
[6] Mr. Amos was of the view that he did not have to identify the judges in any document filed with this Court because he had identified the judges in various documents that had been filed with the Federal Court. In his view the Federal Court and the Federal Court of Appeal are the same court and therefore any document filed in the Federal Court would be filed in this Court. This view is based on subsections 5(4) and 5.1(4) of the Federal Courts Act, R.S.C., 1985, c. F-7:
5(4) Every judge of the Federal Court is, by virtue of his or her office, a judge of the Federal Court of Appeal and has all the jurisdiction, power and authority of a judge of the Federal Court of Appeal. […]
5(4) Les juges de la Cour fédérale sont d’office juges de la Cour d’appel fédérale et ont la même compétence et les mêmes pouvoirs que les juges de la Cour d’appel fédérale. […] 5.1(4) Every judge of the Federal Court of Appeal is, by virtue of that office, a judge of the Federal Court and has all the jurisdiction, power and authority of a judge of the Federal Court.
5.1(4) Les juges de la Cour d’appel fédérale sont d’office juges de la Cour fédérale et ont la même compétence et les mêmes pouvoirs que les juges de la Cour fédérale.
[7] However, these subsections only provide that the judges of the Federal Court are also judges of this Court (and vice versa). It does not mean that there is only one court. If the Federal Court and this Court were one Court, there would be no need for this section. [8] Sections 3 and 4 of the Federal Courts Act provide that: 3 The division of the Federal Court of Canada called the Federal Court — Appeal Division is continued under the name “Federal Court of Appeal” in English and “Cour d’appel fédérale” in French. It is continued as an additional court of law, equity and admiralty in and for Canada, for the better administration of the laws of Canada and as a superior court of record having civil and criminal jurisdiction.
3 La Section d’appel, aussi appelée la Cour d’appel ou la Cour d’appel fédérale, est maintenue et dénommée « Cour d’appel fédérale » en français et « Federal Court of Appeal » en anglais. Elle est maintenue à titre de tribunal additionnel de droit, d’equity et d’amirauté du Canada, propre à améliorer l’application du droit canadien, et continue d’être une cour supérieure d’archives ayant compétence en matière civile et pénale. 4 The division of the Federal Court of Canada called the Federal Court — Trial Division is continued under the name “Federal Court” in English and “Cour fédérale” in French. It is continued as an additional court of law, equity and admiralty in and for Canada, for the better administration of the laws of Canada and as a superior court of record having civil and criminal jurisdiction.
4 La section de la Cour fédérale du Canada, appelée la Section de première instance de la Cour fédérale, est maintenue et dénommée « Cour fédérale » en français et « Federal Court » en anglais. Elle est maintenue à titre de tribunal additionnel de droit, d’equity et d’amirauté du Canada, propre à améliorer l’application du droit canadien, et continue d’être une cour supérieure d’archives ayant compétence en matière civile et pénale.
[9] Sections 3 and 4 of the Federal Courts Act create two separate courts – this Court (section 3) and the Federal Court (section 4). If, as Mr. Amos suggests, documents filed in the Federal Court were automatically also filed in this Court, then there would no need for the parties to prepare and file appeal books as required by Rules 343 to 345 of the Federal Courts Rules, SOR/98-106 in relation to any appeal from a decision of the Federal Court. The requirement to file an appeal book with this Court in relation to an appeal from a decision of the Federal Court makes it clear that the only documents that will be before this Court are the documents that are part of that appeal book.
[10] Therefore, the memorandum of fact and law filed on March 6, 2017 is the first document, filed with this Court, in which Mr. Amos identified the particular judges that he submits have a conflict in any matter related to him.
[11] On April 3, 2017, Mr. Amos attempted to bring a motion before the Federal Court seeking an order “affirming or denying the conflict of interest he has” with a number of judges of the Federal Court. A judge of the Federal Court issued a direction noting that if Mr. Amos was seeking this order in relation to judges of the Federal Court of Appeal, it was beyond the jurisdiction of the Federal Court. Mr. Amos raised the Federal Court motion at the hearing of this cross-appeal. The Federal Court motion is not a motion before this Court and, as such, the submissions filed before the Federal Court will not be entertained. As well, since this was a motion brought before the Federal Court (and not this Court), any documents filed in relation to that motion are not part of the record of this Court.
[12] During the hearing of the appeal Mr. Amos alleged that the third member of this panel also had a conflict of interest and submitted some documents that, in his view, supported his claim of a conflict. Mr. Amos, following the hearing of his appeal, was also afforded the opportunity to provide a brief summary of the conflict that he was alleging and to file additional documents that, in his view, supported his allegations. Mr. Amos submitted several pages of documents in relation to the alleged conflicts. He organized the documents by submitting a copy of the biography of the particular judge and then, immediately following that biography, by including copies of the documents that, in his view, supported his claim that such judge had a conflict.
[13] The nature of the alleged conflict of Justice Webb is that before he was appointed as a Judge of the Tax Court of Canada in 2006, he was a partner with the law firm Patterson Law, and before that with Patterson Palmer in Nova Scotia. Mr. Amos submitted that he had a number of disputes with Patterson Palmer and Patterson Law and therefore Justice Webb has a conflict simply because he was a partner of these firms. Mr. Amos is not alleging that Justice Webb was personally involved in or had any knowledge of any matter in which Mr. Amos was involved with Justice Webb’s former law firm – only that he was a member of such firm.
[14] During his oral submissions at the hearing of his appeal Mr. Amos, in relation to the alleged conflict for Justice Webb, focused on dealings between himself and a particular lawyer at Patterson Law. However, none of the documents submitted by Mr. Amos at the hearing or subsequently related to any dealings with this particular lawyer nor is it clear when Mr. Amos was dealing with this lawyer. In particular, it is far from clear whether such dealings were after the time that Justice Webb was appointed as a Judge of the Tax Court of Canada over 10 years ago.
[15] The documents that he submitted in relation to the alleged conflict for Justice Webb largely relate to dealings between Byron Prior and the St. John’s Newfoundland and Labrador office of Patterson Palmer, which is not in the same province where Justice Webb practiced law. The only document that indicates any dealing between Mr. Amos and Patterson Palmer is a copy of an affidavit of Stephen May who was a partner in the St. John’s NL office of Patterson Palmer. The affidavit is dated January 24, 2005 and refers to a number of e-mails that were sent by Mr. Amos to Stephen May. Mr. Amos also included a letter that is addressed to four individuals, one of whom is John Crosbie who was counsel to the St. John’s NL office of Patterson Palmer. The letter is dated September 2, 2004 and is addressed to “John Crosbie, c/o Greg G. Byrne, Suite 502, 570 Queen Street, Fredericton, NB E3B 5E3”. In this letter Mr. Amos alludes to a possible lawsuit against Patterson Palmer. [16] Mr. Amos’ position is that simply because Justice Webb was a lawyer with Patterson Palmer, he now has a conflict. In Wewaykum Indian Band v. Her Majesty the Queen, 2003 SCC 45, [2003] 2 S.C.R. 259, the Supreme Court of Canada noted that disqualification of a judge is to be determined based on whether there is a reasonable apprehension of bias: 60 In Canadian law, one standard has now emerged as the criterion for disqualification. The criterion, as expressed by de Grandpré J. in Committee for Justice and Liberty v. National Energy Board, …[[1978] 1 S.C.R. 369, 68 D.L.R. (3d) 716], at p. 394, is the reasonable apprehension of bias: … the apprehension of bias must be a reasonable one, held by reasonable and right minded persons, applying themselves to the question and obtaining thereon the required information. In the words of the Court of Appeal, that test is "what would an informed person, viewing the matter realistically and practically -- and having thought the matter through -- conclude. Would he think that it is more likely than not that [the decision-maker], whether consciously or unconsciously, would not decide fairly."
[17] The issue to be determined is whether an informed person, viewing the matter realistically and practically, and having thought the matter through, would conclude that Mr. Amos’ allegations give rise to a reasonable apprehension of bias. As this Court has previously remarked, “there is a strong presumption that judges will administer justice impartially” and this presumption will not be rebutted in the absence of “convincing evidence” of bias (Collins v. Canada, 2011 FCA 140 at para. 7, [2011] 4 C.T.C. 157 [Collins]. See also R. v. S. (R.D.), [1997] 3 S.C.R. 484 at para. 32, 151 D.L.R. (4th) 193).
[18] The Ontario Court of Appeal in Rando Drugs Ltd. v. Scott, 2007 ONCA 553, 86 O.R. (3d) 653 (leave to appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada refused, 32285 (August 1, 2007)), addressed the particular issue of whether a judge is disqualified from hearing a case simply because he had been a member of a law firm that was involved in the litigation that was now before that judge. The Ontario Court of Appeal determined that the judge was not disqualified if the judge had no involvement with the person or the matter when he was a lawyer. The Ontario Court of Appeal also explained that the rules for determining whether a judge is disqualified are different from the rules to determine whether a lawyer has a conflict: 27 Thus, disqualification is not the natural corollary to a finding that a trial judge has had some involvement in a case over which he or she is now presiding. Where the judge had no involvement, as here, it cannot be said that the judge is disqualified.
28 The point can rightly be made that had Mr. Patterson been asked to represent the appellant as counsel before his appointment to the bench, the conflict rules would likely have prevented him from taking the case because his firm had formerly represented one of the defendants in the case. Thus, it is argued how is it that as a trial judge Patterson J. can hear the case? This issue was considered by the Court of Appeal (Civil Division) in Locabail (U.K.) Ltd. v. Bayfield Properties Ltd., [2000] Q.B. 451. The court held, at para. 58, that there is no inflexible rule governing the disqualification of a judge and that, "[e]verything depends on the circumstances."
29 It seems to me that what appears at first sight to be an inconsistency in application of rules can be explained by the different contexts and in particular, the strong presumption of judicial impartiality that applies in the context of disqualification of a judge. There is no such presumption in cases of allegations of conflict of interest against a lawyer because of a firm's previous involvement in the case. To the contrary, as explained by Sopinka J. in MacDonald Estate v. Martin (1990), 77 D.L.R. (4th) 249 (S.C.C.), for sound policy reasons there is a presumption of a disqualifying interest that can rarely be overcome. In particular, a conclusory statement from the lawyer that he or she had no confidential information about the case will never be sufficient. The case is the opposite where the allegation of bias is made against a trial judge. His or her statement that he or she knew nothing about the case and had no involvement in it will ordinarily be accepted at face value unless there is good reason to doubt it: see Locabail, at para. 19.
30 That brings me then to consider the particular circumstances of this case and whether there are serious grounds to find a disqualifying conflict of interest in this case. In my view, there are two significant factors that justify the trial judge's decision not to recuse himself. The first is his statement, which all parties accept, that he knew nothing of the case when it was in his former firm and that he had nothing to do with it. The second is the long passage of time. As was said in Wewaykum, at para. 85: To us, one significant factor stands out, and must inform the perspective of the reasonable person assessing the impact of this involvement on Binnie J.'s impartiality in the appeals. That factor is the passage of time. Most arguments for disqualification rest on circumstances that are either contemporaneous to the decision-making, or that occurred within a short time prior to the decision-making. 31 There are other factors that inform the issue. The Wilson Walker firm no longer acted for any of the parties by the time of trial. More importantly, at the time of the motion, Patterson J. had been a judge for six years and thus had not had a relationship with his former firm for a considerable period of time.
32 In my view, a reasonable person, viewing the matter realistically would conclude that the trial judge could deal fairly and impartially with this case. I take this view principally because of the long passage of time and the trial judge's lack of involvement in or knowledge of the case when the Wilson Walker firm had carriage. In these circumstances it cannot be reasonably contended that the trial judge could not remain impartial in the case. The mere fact that his name appears on the letterhead of some correspondence from over a decade ago would not lead a reasonable person to believe that he would either consciously or unconsciously favour his former firm's former client. It is simply not realistic to think that a judge would throw off his mantle of impartiality, ignore his oath of office and favour a client - about whom he knew nothing - of a firm that he left six years earlier and that no longer acts for the client, in a case involving events from over a decade ago. (emphasis added)
[19] Justice Webb had no involvement with any matter involving Mr. Amos while he was a member of Patterson Palmer or Patterson Law, nor does Mr. Amos suggest that he did. Mr. Amos made it clear during the hearing of this matter that the only reason for the alleged conflict for Justice Webb was that he was a member of Patterson Law and Patterson Palmer. This is simply not enough for Justice Webb to be disqualified. Any involvement of Mr. Amos with Patterson Law while Justice Webb was a member of that firm would have had to occur over 10 years ago and even longer for the time when he was a member of Patterson Palmer. In addition to the lack of any involvement on his part with any matter or dispute that Mr. Amos had with Patterson Law or Patterson Palmer (which in and of itself is sufficient to dispose of this matter), the length of time since Justice Webb was a member of Patterson Law or Patterson Palmer would also result in the same finding – that there is no conflict in Justice Webb hearing this appeal.
[20] Similarly in R. v. Bagot, 2000 MBCA 30, 145 Man. R. (2d) 260, the Manitoba Court of Appeal found that there was no reasonable apprehension of bias when a judge, who had been a member of the law firm that had been retained by the accused, had no involvement with the accused while he was a lawyer with that firm.
[21] In Del Zotto v. Minister of National Revenue, [2000] 4 F.C. 321, 257 N.R. 96, this court did find that there would be a reasonable apprehension of bias where a judge, who while he was a lawyer, had recorded time on a matter involving the same person who was before that judge. However, this case can be distinguished as Justice Webb did not have any time recorded on any files involving Mr. Amos while he was a lawyer with Patterson Palmer or Patterson Law.
[22] Mr. Amos also included with his submissions a CD. He stated in his affidavit dated June 26, 2017 that there is a “true copy of an American police surveillance wiretap entitled 139” on this CD. He has also indicated that he has “provided a true copy of the CD entitled 139 to many American and Canadian law enforcement authorities and not one of the police forces or officers of the court are willing to investigate it”. Since he has indicated that this is an “American police surveillance wiretap”, this is a matter for the American law enforcement authorities and cannot create, as Mr. Amos suggests, a conflict of interest for any judge to whom he provides a copy.
[23] As a result, there is no conflict or reasonable apprehension of bias for Justice Webb and therefore, no reason for him to recuse himself.
[24] Mr. Amos alleged that Justice Near’s past professional experience with the government created a “quasi-conflict” in deciding the cross-appeal. Mr. Amos provided no details and Justice Near confirmed that he had no prior knowledge of the matters alleged in the Claim. Justice Near sees no reason to recuse himself.
[25] Insofar as it is possible to glean the basis for Mr. Amos’ allegations against Justice Gleason, it appears that he alleges that she is incapable of hearing this appeal because he says he wrote a letter to Brian Mulroney and Jean Chrétien in 2004. At that time, both Justice Gleason and Mr. Mulroney were partners in the law firm Ogilvy Renault, LLP. The letter in question, which is rude and angry, begins with “Hey you two Evil Old Smiling Bastards” and “Re: me suing you and your little dogs too”. There is no indication that the letter was ever responded to or that a law suit was ever commenced by Mr. Amos against Mr. Mulroney. In the circumstances, there is no reason for Justice Gleason to recuse herself as the letter in question does not give rise to a reasonable apprehension of bias.
III. Issue
[26] The issue on the cross-appeal is as follows: Did the Judge err in setting aside the Prothonotary’s Order striking the Claim in its entirety without leave to amend and in determining that Mr. Amos’ allegation that the RCMP barred him from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004 was capable of supporting a cause of action?
IV. Analysis
A. Standard of Review
[27] Following the Judge’s decision to set aside the Prothonotary’s Order, this Court revisited the standard of review to be applied to discretionary decisions of prothonotaries and decisions made by judges on appeals of prothonotaries’ decisions in Hospira Healthcare Corp. v. Kennedy Institute of Rheumatology, 2016 FCA 215, 402 D.L.R. (4th) 497 [Hospira]. In Hospira, a five-member panel of this Court replaced the Aqua-Gem standard of review with that articulated in Housen v. Nikolaisen, 2002 SCC 33, [2002] 2 S.C.R. 235 [Housen]. As a result, it is no longer appropriate for the Federal Court to conduct a de novo review of a discretionary order made by a prothonotary in regard to questions vital to the final issue of the case. Rather, a Federal Court judge can only intervene on appeal if the prothonotary made an error of law or a palpable and overriding error in determining a question of fact or question of mixed fact and law (Hospira at para. 79). Further, this Court can only interfere with a Federal Court judge’s review of a prothonotary’s discretionary order if the judge made an error of law or palpable and overriding error in determining a question of fact or question of mixed fact and law (Hospira at paras. 82-83).
[28] In the case at bar, the Judge substituted his own assessment of Mr. Amos’ Claim for that of the Prothonotary. This Court must look to the Prothonotary’s Order to determine whether the Judge erred in law or made a palpable and overriding error in choosing to interfere.
B. Did the Judge err in interfering with the Prothonotary’s Order?
[29] The Prothontoary’s Order accepted the following paragraphs from the Crown’s submissions as the basis for striking the Claim in its entirety without leave to amend:
17. Within the 96 paragraph Statement of Claim, the Plaintiff addresses his complaint in paragraphs 14-24, inclusive. All but four of those paragraphs are dedicated to an incident that occurred in 2006 in and around the legislature in New Brunswick. The jurisdiction of the Federal Court does not extend to Her Majesty the Queen in right of the Provinces. In any event, the Plaintiff hasn’t named the Province or provincial actors as parties to this action. The incident alleged does not give rise to a justiciable cause of action in this Court. (…)
21. The few paragraphs that directly address the Defendant provide no details as to the individuals involved or the location of the alleged incidents or other details sufficient to allow the Defendant to respond. As a result, it is difficult or impossible to determine the causes of action the Plaintiff is attempting to advance. A generous reading of the Statement of Claim allows the Defendant to only speculate as to the true and/or intended cause of action. At best, the Plaintiff’s action may possibly be summarized as: he suspects he is barred from the House of Commons. [footnotes omitted].
[30] The Judge determined that he could not strike the Claim on the same jurisdictional basis as the Prothonotary. The Judge noted that the Federal Court has jurisdiction over claims based on the liability of Federal Crown servants like the RCMP and that the actors who barred Mr. Amos from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004 included the RCMP (Federal Court Judgment at para. 23). In considering the viability of these allegations de novo, the Judge identified paragraph 14 of the Claim as containing “some precision” as it identifies the date of the event and a RCMP officer acting as Aide-de-Camp to the Lieutenant Governor (Federal Court Judgment at para. 27).
[31] The Judge noted that the 2004 event could support a cause of action in the tort of misfeasance in public office and identified the elements of the tort as excerpted from Meigs v. Canada, 2013 FC 389, 431 F.T.R. 111:
[13] As in both the cases of Odhavji Estate v Woodhouse, 2003 SCC 69 [Odhavji] and Lewis v Canada, 2012 FC 1514 [Lewis], I must determine whether the plaintiffs’ statement of claim pleads each element of the alleged tort of misfeasance in public office:
a) The public officer must have engaged in deliberate and unlawful conduct in his or her capacity as public officer;
b) The public officer must have been aware both that his or her conduct was unlawful and that it was likely to harm the plaintiff; and
c) There must be an element of bad faith or dishonesty by the public officer and knowledge of harm alone is insufficient to conclude that a public officer acted in bad faith or dishonestly. Odhavji, above, at paras 23, 24 and 28 (Federal Court Judgment at para. 28).
[32] The Judge determined that Mr. Amos disclosed sufficient material facts to meet the elements of the tort of misfeasance in public office because the actors, who barred him from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004, including the RCMP, did so for “political reasons” (Federal Court Judgment at para. 29).
[33] This Court’s discussion of the sufficiency of pleadings in Merchant Law Group v. Canada (Revenue Agency), 2010 FCA 184, 321 D.L.R (4th) 301 is particularly apt:
…When pleading bad faith or abuse of power, it is not enough to assert, baldly, conclusory phrases such as “deliberately or negligently,” “callous disregard,” or “by fraud and theft did steal”. “The bare assertion of a conclusion upon which the court is called upon to pronounce is not an allegation of material fact”. Making bald, conclusory allegations without any evidentiary foundation is an abuse of process…
To this, I would add that the tort of misfeasance in public office requires a particular state of mind of a public officer in carrying out the impunged action, i.e., deliberate conduct which the public officer knows to be inconsistent with the obligations of his or her office. For this tort, particularization of the allegations is mandatory. Rule 181 specifically requires particularization of allegations of “breach of trust,” “wilful default,” “state of mind of a person,” “malice” or “fraudulent intention.” (at paras. 34-35, citations omitted).
[34] Applying the Housen standard of review to the Prothonotary’s Order, we are of the view that the Judge interfered absent a legal or palpable and overriding error.
[35] The Prothonotary determined that Mr. Amos’ Claim disclosed no reasonable claim and was fundamentally vexatious on the basis of jurisdictional concerns and the absence of material facts to ground a cause of action. Paragraph 14 of the Claim, which addresses the 2004 event, pleads no material facts as to how the RCMP officer engaged in deliberate and unlawful conduct, knew that his or her conduct was unlawful and likely to harm Mr. Amos, and acted in bad faith. While the Claim alleges elsewhere that Mr. Amos was barred from the New Brunswick legislature for political and/or malicious reasons, these allegations are not particularized and are directed against non-federal actors, such as the Sergeant-at-Arms of the Legislative Assembly of New Brunswick and the Fredericton Police Force. As such, the Judge erred in determining that Mr. Amos’ allegation that the RCMP barred him from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004 was capable of supporting a cause of action.
[36] In our view, the Claim is made up entirely of bare allegations, devoid of any detail, such that it discloses no reasonable cause of action within the jurisdiction of the Federal Courts. Therefore, the Judge erred in interfering to set aside the Prothonotary’s Order striking the claim in its entirety. Further, we find that the Prothonotary made no error in denying leave to amend. The deficiencies in Mr. Amos’ pleadings are so extensive such that amendment could not cure them (see Collins at para. 26).
V. Conclusion [37] For the foregoing reasons, we would allow the Crown’s cross-appeal, with costs, setting aside the Federal Court Judgment, dated January 25, 2016 and restoring the Prothonotary’s Order, dated November 12, 2015, which struck Mr. Amos’ Claim in its entirety without leave to amend. "Wyman W. Webb" J.A. "David G. Near" J.A. "Mary J.L. Gleason" J.A.
FEDERAL COURT OF APPEAL NAMES OF COUNSEL AND SOLICITORS OF RECORD
A CROSS-APPEAL FROM AN ORDER OF THE HONOURABLE JUSTICE SOUTHCOTT DATED JANUARY 25, 2016; DOCKET NUMBER T-1557-15. DOCKET:
A-48-16
STYLE OF CAUSE:
DAVID RAYMOND AMOS v. HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
PLACE OF HEARING:
Fredericton, New Brunswick
DATE OF HEARING:
May 24, 2017
REASONS FOR JUDGMENT OF THE COURT BY:
WEBB J.A. NEAR J.A. GLEASON J.A.
DATED:
October 30, 2017
APPEARANCES: David Raymond Amos
For The Appellant / respondent on cross-appeal (on his own behalf)
Jan Jensen
For The Respondent / appELLANT ON CROSS-APPEAL
SOLICITORS OF RECORD: Nathalie G. Drouin Deputy Attorney General of Canada
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Progressive Conservative MLA calls it quits at provincial level Brian Macdonald won't run again for legislature seat, but might try federal politics CBC News · Posted: May 28, 2018 6:07 PM AT | Last Updated: May 28 Brian Macdonald, a Progressive Conservative MLA, has announced he won't run in the Sept. 24 provincial election. (CBC)
New Brunswick's Progressive Conservative party is losing one of its highest-profile MLAs just months before the next provincial election.
Brian Macdonald says he won't be a candidate this fall and may instead jump into federal politics.
Calling the last year "my best year in politics," the two-term MLA said his decision has nothing to do with PC Leader Blaine Higgs, who beat Macdonald for the party leadership in 2016.
"It's been a really good year," Macdonald said. "I've had a strong voice in the legislature on issues that are really important to my heart.
"I also think it can be a challenge being in provincial politics. It's very small, it's very close, it's very tight, and on a personal basis, I want to move on."
Macdonald says he’s considering running for the federal Conservative nomination in New Brunswick Southwest, which includes part of the riding of Fredericton West-Hanwell, where he has been the MLA. (CBC)
Macdonald said he's considering running for the federal Conservative nomination in New Brunswick Southwest, a constituency that includes part of Macdonald's provincial riding of Fredericton West-Hanwell.
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That decision would pit him against former Conservative MP John Williamson, who announced May 21 he'll also seek the nomination in the riding he represented from 2011 to 2015. Party members in the riding will nominate their candidate June 28.
Macdonald said he'll also consider running federally in Fredericton. The former soldier said he's also looking at job opportunities with national organizations that advocate for veterans.
"I'm looking for opportunities and considering a lot of options," he said.
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Macdonald is the fifth candidate from the 2016 provincial PC leadership race to opt against running in this year's election under Higgs.
Macdonald said he is confident he would have won his riding again and the Tories will win the election Sept. 24, meaning he'd have a shot of becoming a minister.
But he said being a provincial politician "does wear on you and it does make you think about what the other options are. … If I go another four years in provincial politics, it concerns me that my options would be limited after that."
The 47-year-old also said the recent death of some friends made him realize he should pursue other opportunities when he can.
Macdonald's interest in federal politics has been well-known for years. He was a political assistant to former federal Defence Minister Peter MacKay and sought the federal Conservative nomination for Fredericton for the 2008 election.
After failing to win that nomination, he ran provincially in Fredericton-Silverwood in 2010 and was elected. He was re-elected in the newly created riding of Fredericton West-Hanwell in 2014, when he defeated then-NDP leader Dominic Cardy.
Macdonald ran for the leadership of the New Brunswick Progressive Conservative Party but lost to Blaine Higgs. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)
In 2016, Macdonald ran for the PC leadership, placing sixth on the first ballot out of seven candidates.
Macdonald said he doesn't think his departure will hurt the provincial party's chances of holding on to Fredericton West-Hanwell.
"It's going to be very attractive to a number of high-calibre candidates who are now beginning to come forward," he said.
Ottawa slams Manitoba's 'flip flop' on carbon tax after Pallister pulls out of climate plan
Liberal government committed to its plan to tackle the 'real threat of climate change'
John Paul Tasker· CBC News· Posted: Oct 04, 2018 3:43 PM ET
1221 Comments
bill chagwich
Manitoba's Premier has his voters purse in mind from emptying , Trudeau has his hands tearing that purse from their hands, to fill his parties entitlements
Troy Mann
@bill chagwich
Manitoba decided they can no longer afford a tax cut to individuals so big business can keep polluting and let our children pay for the clean up.
Conservatives cheering about a tax cut for wealthy big business and a tax increase for the middle class.
Troy Mann
@James Fitzgibbon
Fake news is all cons have
Gordon MacFarlane
@Troy Mann
Liberal hero Trudeau backed off on going after big polluters.
He reduced the amount big oil would have to pay and foisted the burden on to hard working middle and lower income Canadians.
And the Liberals all applaud.
And then misrepresent the facts to try and make conservatives look bad.
David Amos
@Troy Mann Cry me a river
David Amos
@Troy Mann "Fake news is all cons have"
Methinks somebody should inform you that this is CBC which is overseen by a liberal mandate N'esy Pas?
Kevan Cleverbridge (Hill 70)
Canadians are sick and tired of Trudeau trying to shove a terrible policy down their throats. It's a scam plain and simple.
Vladimir Smejkal
@Kevan Cleverbridge (Hill 70) That's right and climate change is a hoax, right?
Troy Mann
@Kevan Cleverbridge (Hill 70)
Stop pretending you speak on behalf of canadians. You don't and never will
David Amos
@Kevan Cleverbridge (Hill 70) "It's a scam plain and simple."
YUP
David Amos
@Vladimir Smejkal "That's right and climate change is a hoax, right?"
Nope Its just not caused by peoplekind
Thomas Perry
@Kevan Cleverbridge (Hill 70)
Yes, and sick and tired of the sick and twisted globalist parasites.
David Amos
@Troy Mann "Stop pretending you speak on behalf of canadians. You don't and never will"
Methinks I should ask what makes you think you do N'esy Pas?
Jack Richards Morneau will not even come clean on how much their carbon pricing will cost each Canadian
Peter Stolper
@Jack Richards according to harpers adviser a lot of people will come out ahead
Troy Mann
@Pete Lindsay
NDP turned it into a cash grab. NDP and cons can't be trusted.
David Amos
@Jack Richards "Morneau will not even come clean"
Its not in the liberal DNA to do so
David Amos
@Peter Stolper "according to harpers adviser a lot of people will come out ahead"
You call that a believable source?
John Myro
I see the Liberals are using the same old shame on you guilt tactics to whom dare to oppose their oh so superior ideology
Troy Mann
@John Myro
Let me know when they start to drag victims out apart if their ambulance chasing politics and we will call them equals with cons
David Amos
@Troy Mann "ambulance chasing politics"
Methinks that is an interesting term for a liberal in NB to use these days N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@John Myro Methinks the liberals are flogging a dead horse when it comes to shaming folks in order to justify more taxation to pay for their new pipeline N'esy Pas?
Arthur Gill
I am sick and tired of liberal MPs spouting off about the "cost" of inaction on climate change by talking about "forest fires, droughts and floods" etc. to defend their carbon tax plan. Really....do liberal MPs think a Canadian carbon tax is going to be the magic bullet that stops global climate change? Get real!!! We need to do our part but that doesn't mean Trudeau's carbon tax is the answer.
Peter Stolper
@Arthur Gill you just said we have to do our part and the carbon tax is part of it
Peter Hill
@Arthur Gill Stopped acid rain but you don't want to talk about the successes.
Arthur Gill
@Peter Stolper No....I said we have to our part....you said a "carbon tax" is part of it not me. I have yet to see any factual evidence to indicate how "Trudeau's" carbon tax plan will impact Canadian emmissions nor have I seen an economic impact study. All I have seen from Trudeau is a bunch of ideolically driven drivel.
Byron Whitford
@Peter Hill
You think that Acid rain was eliminated through a tax on the consumer? Nope. It was eliminated through a combination of regulation and an INDUSTRIAL Cap and Trade program for industrial emitters (The same program we had in Alberta before the idiotic Carbon tax was introduced).
The same way we eliminated CFCs to save the Ozone layer. Remember all those CFC taxes? No, neither do I.
Troy Mann
@Arthur Gill
We need to do our part yet you bring no solutions other than do nothing. You refuse to believe any economic theory based on this. So cons tell us your plan? Crickets is all I will hear.
Please do, however, tell us all your brilliant alternative solution for reducing out emissions. Indeed, tell us ANY alternative solution proposed by the Tories...
waiting...
still waiting....
Byron Whitford
@James Fitzgibbon
We should do it the same way we eliminated acid rain and CFCs. A regulated phase out with an industrial cap and trade mechanism.
Carbon taxes are being pushed as the solution with the least impact to the economy but I haven't heard a single person say it is the best solution to eliminate GHGs.
If Climate change is the catastrophic issue everyone is selling it as shouldn't we be pushing the best solution to solve it rather than the most economical? This is why people don't support a carbon tax, the rhetoric doesn't match the climate change rhetoric.
Its like a salesman coming to your door and telling you he can solve your problems but you have to pay him, meanwhile the guy down the road with the house 100x the size of yours isn't being asked to pay anything..
Kelly Nelson
@James Fitzgibbon Says opinion right in your link. Opinion does not automatically equate fact or reality.
Byron Whitford
@James Fitzgibbon
The study is wrong for the simple fact that there isn't a hope in gods green earth that the Liberals would introduce a carbon tax in this manner.
Arthur Gill
@James Fitzgibbon I just love it when people refer to "opinion " articles rather than facts. The article referenced the redistribution of tax dollars under Trudeau's "plan". Not how it would impact emissions or economic activity.
David Amos
@Byron Whitford I agree
David Amos
@Arthur Gill Welcome to the Circus
David Amos
@James Fitzgibbon "still waiting...."
You will wait a long time in light of the fact that CBC is blocking the replies to you
john sparton
Nobody wants a carbon tax.
Something those doughnut holes in Ottawa should pay attention to.
David Amos
@john sparton The etctorate will explain it to them next year
Bob Ols
Isn't that the same Dominic Leblanc that was recently convicted of ethics violations?
John Myro
@Bob Ols
Yes it is but Trudeau said it was fine
Jonathan Murphy
@Bob Ols
Why yes, yes it is.
Bob Ols
@John Myro
Oh right, I forgot. Silly me. Must have been when he was on the Caribbean island trip.
David Amos
@John Myro They wish to be excused from ethics violations because lawyers and politicians do not understand what the term means
Jace Braidwith
And Manitoba doesn't really care what Ottawa says or thinks. Along with a growing number of provinces. So, what are you going to do about it? Nothing.
David Amos
@Jace Braidwith There is nothing Trudeau can do about it.
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David Amos
@James Fitzgibbon "extremist right blubbering"
What should folks call what you are doing?
David Amos
@David Amos Well that solved a minor mystery
Emery Hyslop-Margison
It's increasingly obvious that Justin Trudeau is not up to the job of Prime Minister. Three provincial Liberal governments have been defeated, Canadians are outraged on numerous fronts (including but not limited to immigration, Trans Mountain Pipeline, Corrections Canada, carbon tax, NAFTA and international relations - remember that India trip). More generally, his dogmatic adherence to certain positions (e.g. illegal immigration) in spite of tremendous opposition shows a troubling lack of willingness to compromise. As Aristotle said, "Politics is the art of compromise." Unless the People's Party siphons a significant number of votes from the Tories I see no scenario where Trudeau wins another mandate. I think he's toast.
Troy Mann
@Emery Hyslop-Margison
Growing economy Low unemployment rate Debt to GDP going down 3 international trade deals negotiated Respected world wide
Ya if you hate those things the you would agree Trudeau isn't up to the job.
Emery Hyslop-Margison
@Troy Mann With all due respect to you I don't think Trudeau has much international respect. He's slowly butchering the economy (check out the TSX trends); In all three trade agreements TPP, EU and USMCA he traded a the cow (pun intended) for a handful of magic beans. Anyway, citizens of Canada will have the final word next fall.
Byron Whitford
@Troy Mann
Our economy is growing at an anemic pace and has been for a decade. This is the new normal. The recent 2017 bump is due to economic RECOVERY in Alberta. This is not sustained growth and ours is slated to drop below 2% in 2019.
Unemployment is a crap statistic (Which is why politicians like it). Labour participation rate is down by a full %
Debt to GDP has remained level at 31%
He only negotiate one trade deal. The other two were negotiated by the previous government. Trudeau just signed them.
Respected worldwide? Except in the USA, Japan, China, India, Australia and pretty much anywhere else he goes.
David Amos
@Emery Hyslop-Margison Methinks many folks would agree that "the People's Party will siphon a significant number of votes from the Tories" (Not Tories anymore) that Trudeau The Younger may win a minority mandate from the next kick at the can of worms N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Troy Mann "you would agree Trudeau isn't up to the job"
I agree but you failed in the attempt to trick us into agreeing with the rest of your bragging about your leader.
Methinks I sense a desperate liberal concerned about his own job security N'esy Pas?
Arthur Gill
Saskatchewan was the initial lone hold out and good on them. As the dominoes fall so will Trudeau and it is long overdue.
Roger Jerome
@Arthur Gill ....Saskatchewan people can spot bs a mile away
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David Amos
@Roger Jerome Can they still smell it after CBC deletes it
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David Amos
@Mohammed Jones YUP Methinks that left quite a carbon footprint N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Roger Jerome "Saskatchewan people can spot bs a mile away"
Methinks many Maritimers can spot such things much further away than that particularly if they live in Dominic Leblanc's riding N'esy Pas?
Ottawa slams Manitoba's 'flip flop' on carbon tax after Pallister pulls out of climate plan
Liberal government committed to its plan to tackle the 'real threat of climate change'
John Paul Tasker· CBC News·
Federal Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Dominic LeBlanc said he's disappointed Manitoba is pulling out of the national climate plan. (Matt Smith/Canadian Press)
Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Dominic LeBlanc said today the federal government is disappointed that Manitoba Premier Brian Pallister has pulled his province out of the national climate plan, calling it a "flip flop" on the carbon tax.
"We regret very much that the government of Manitoba has decided to pull out of the plan that they had previously submitted, which put a price on pollution. They obviously think that pollution should be free, but we don't agree with this flip flop from the government of Manitoba," LeBlanc said in question period Thursday, adding that Ottawa is committed to a "real climate plan" to deal with the "real threat of climate change."
Environment Minister Catherine McKenna said she was "perplexed" by Manitoba's about-face. "They had submitted a plan where they recognized there is a cost to pollution but, unfortunately, now they're with the federal Conservatives and conservative parties across the country who think that polluting should be free," she said.
"There is a cost to pollution. We're seeing the cost in extreme weather events across the country." The comments came a day after Pallister announced he was abandoning his "made in Manitoba" plan to tax carbon dioxide emissions at a price of $25/tonne. Instead, Pallister said he will focus his energies — and his province's financial resources — on further developing clean hydroelectric power, phasing out coal and recycling "more and better."
Watch Manitoba Premier Brian Pallister explain his about-face on a carbon tax
Power and Politics
Manitoba premier tells P&P why he's backing out of carbon tax
00:0009:47
'We're just asking for respect here in Manitoba," says Brian Pallister of his province's green record. 9:47
If LeBlanc and the Liberals were disappointed Thursday, the Conservative benches were celebrating the news that another province has given notice it will withdraw.
"I bring great news from my home province," Manitoba MP Candice Bergen said in the House of Commons. "Manitobans will not be subjected to the carbon tax ... after the prime minister's arrogance and Ottawa-knows-best attitude. A carbon tax doesn't work and costs Canadian families."
Now, Pallister and Wall's replacement, Premier Scott Moe, have been joined by Ontario Premier Doug Ford and Alberta Premier Rachel Notley in opposing the national climate plan.
Manitoba Premier Brian Pallister says he is pulling his plan to levy a carbon tax and is joining a number of provinces opposed to the federal government's climate plan demands. (John Woods/Canadian Press)
Notley pulled Alberta from the framework after the Federal Court of Appeal quashed approvals for the Trans Mountain expansion project. Ford has been steadfastly opposed to a carbon tax since launching his bid for the party's leadership.
Speaking to reporters after a joint meeting in Saskatchewan Thursday, Ford and Moe welcomed Manitoba to the fight, saying they are united in their opposition to Ottawa's plan to impose a tax on provinces that refuse to enact a carbon plan of their own — the so-called "backstop."
"It's clear opposition of this ill-advised, destructive policy is growing across the nation," Moe said. Trudeau has said the federal government will levy a price on carbon dioxide pollution starting at a minimum of $10 a tonne in 2019, rising by $10 each year to $50 a tonne by 2022.
Trudeau has long insisted the plan will be revenue-neutral for the federal government — that any revenue raised by the measure will stay in the province or territory where it was generated. Those reassurances don't seem to be working on Ford.
"Justin Trudeau should stop holding the people of this country hostage, businesses hostage, families hostage. It's a job-killing carbon tax," Ford said. "We're trying to compete and we have one hand tied behind our backs ... we want a fair deal.
Premier of Ontario Doug Ford, left, shakes hands with Premier of Saskatchewan Scott Moe during a media event in Saskatoon, Thursday, October 4, 2018. Ford and Moe are opposed to the national climate plan. (Liam Richards/Canadian Press)
"They believe in one thing up in Ottawa — tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend." Moe said he is confident a Saskatchewan-led legal challenge against the federal government's plan will succeed, even if other experts — including the ones who advised Manitoba — have said Ottawa can levy such a tax in the face of provincial opposition.
Canada signed on to ambitious emissions reduction targets at the Paris climate accord meeting in 2015, and a national pricing strategy is seen by Ottawa as the best way to accomplish their goal. However, the government has conceded a carbon price alone won't be enough to meet those targets.
Environment Minister Catherine McKenna fields questions at a news conference as the G7 environment, oceans and energy ministers meet in Halifax. McKenna said she was 'perplexed' by Manitoba's decision to 'flip flop' on a carbon tax. (Andrew Vaughan/Canadian Press)
(The Liberal government maintained the same targets set by the former Conservative government: 17 per cent below 2005 levels by 2020, and 30 per cent below by 2030.)
Political uncertainty in New Brunswick could spell further trouble for the Liberal plan, as Progressive Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs — who has one more seat in the legislature than current Premier Brian Gallant — opposes Trudeau's "price on pollution."
Pallister's $25/tonne price would have met the federal government standard, but not indefinitely. He cited Ottawa's insistence on getting to a $50/tonne price by 2022 as a reason for jumping ship. He said his tax was "flat and low, like the Prairie horizon, not escalating with every passing year like the federal government is proposing."
"Frankly, after a year of trying to get respect for our green record and green strategies, we were given no choice but to stand up against the federal government's intrusion," Pallister said in an interview Thursday with CBC News Network's Power & Politics.
"We have a choice. Either we're going to stand up for Manitobans in a year when the feds come in, as they've threatened to do, with a higher carbon tax, or you do it now. We're doing it now."
Beyond the price on carbon, the national climate plan includes other measures to battle climate change, including new building codes to boost energy efficiency, more charging stations for electric cars, expanding clean electricity sources and upgrading power grids.
The Power Panel debates Manitoba's climate plan
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Manitoba joins anti-carbon tax fight | Power Panel
James, Jen, Andrew and Rob discuss Manitoba's flip-flop on the carbon tax. 11:40
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John Paul (J.P.) Tasker is a reporter in the CBC's Parliamentary bureau in Ottawa. He can be reached at john.tasker@cbc.ca.
Remember while I was running against your buddy Ian Smyth in Fundy you and your buddy Martin were covering up for Gallant's BS about hiring Higgs? Well I never said a word in CBC about the Higgs versus Gallant crap but said just enough around Sussex. to see that Ian Smyth lost
Graham McCormack
@Buford Wilson No it isn't. Having to pay for two parallel systems is.
Gil Murray
Bilingualism as a concept is not causing the problem. There is no excuse for wasting 40+ years in failed implementation.. This has nothing to do with duality. If bilingualism were a success there would be no need to waste resources by administering the same program twice and people would be hired on skills and qualifications required to actually do the work. Entrenched views are creating the divide because of fear on both sides and an elitism that has grown from the failed implementation. Those whose children have succeeded in learning French for whatever reason and those who have the questionable advantage of living in predominant English culture (TV, internet, etc) clearly are benefiting from the failed implementation. That is the divide.
Randy McNally
@Gil Murray Yes 40 years was a great run for an experiment that has obviously failed the vast majority of New Brunswickers. Thanks to the University of Moncton, spineless politicians, and the media the only clear success has been the advancement of the French language, French culture, and individual francophone prosperity at the direct expense expense of the unilingual population French, English, and immigrant.
It would surely have been considered a success if upon implementation, the schools were set up to enure everyone graduating knew enough of both languages to get any job requiring both languages.
I do not think it is too late to fix this error but it will take time to see the results. Perhaps the province could help by offering free language classes for anyone who wants to learn.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Tim Locke, this is where the failure lies, without a doubt.
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks you already know what I thin of your opinion N'esy Pas?
Fred Brewer
@Marguerite Deschamps Oh Wow. One individual success story in 50 years. Surely that is worth the billions we have spent on OB.
@Marguerite Deschamps The francophones don't want bilingual schools, too afraid of assimilation?? Or else wouldn't our wise politicians of yesteryear set this thing up as Tim Locke above suggested?
Luc Aubé
@Tim Locke. the free course has been offered by our Prime Minister but the Anglophone that voted for the CORservative and PANB had completed shot there ears off.
Dan Lee
Wow.....PA rep did not show up.......aint that a fact......oh but we are not againts the french
Tim Raworth
@Dan Lee The Libs, Cons And Greens are just putting on a show for English NB and a lot of people will fall for it. At the end of the day they wont change anything. Don't rock the boat. You can see on You Tube, a video from CBC political panel of Higgs being asked why they wont merge the two health care systems into on bilingual system and he said it could be done and probably should be done but they wont because of "political reasons" This is the kind of politicians we elect.
Norman Albert Snr
@Dan Lee That would make the PA whipping boy of the next campaign coming to you real soon. a chance to acquire some much needed brown points from the 3 on 1 gang. The NDP was not there either, but then their day has come and gone so no points to score there. Mr. **** has deeply disappointed me in many ways since the election. The others I expected no less. they need those 47,000 vote for their next attempt. The more this becomes THE political focus the more I see hope for a PA government. Both linguistic communities will benefit on service where warranted.
stephen blunston
@Tim Raworth this is the problem week politicians looking out for nothing but there bloated salaries benefits and pensions , it sure is not for the NB people
David Amos
@Tim Raworth "This is the kind of politicians we elect."
Canada's self described "Natural Governing Party" claim we get the governments we deserve and Higgs and his cohorts will never oppose them for "political reasons"
Michael G. L. Geraldson
Fix the economy, give people some hope and a future and the rest will fix itself.
Randy McNally
@Michael G. L. Geraldson But you just can't say "fix the economy" without saying how. Part of the problem is that people whose patience has expired on this official bilingualism/ duality business because of the enormous costs. are in direct opposition to the francophone elite who are saying that official bilingualism actually makes money for the province. (lacking details of course)
Norman Albert Snr
@Michael G. L. Geraldson Too busy fighting over the false narratives and agendas of the few to work on the environment or real prosperity. Let's drive those workers and consumers of goods out of the province. No one wants to be part of a family always fighting among themselves.
Norman Albert Snr
@Randy McNally Well , as they point out, TD would not be here. Wait we paid TD to come here. Frank knows a handout when he sees one.
Gil Murray
@Michael G. L. Geraldson Sorry but you are using a very simple statement as a solution to every issue in NB. I don't buy that. How do you fix an economy when young people are leaving and you are left with seniors requiring help? How do you expand competition when you have a single player monopolizing industry? How do you free up wealth for investment when you are taxing at unprecedented rates and those who truly benefit evade the system?
Dan Armitage
@Gil Murray All true Gil but we need to Strat don't we? Don't give up the province can move forward the election has shown we want real and good change.
David Amos
@Norman Albert Snr Please enjoy my letter to Franky and Bernie many moons ago
@Gil Murray Absolutely. The tories and the libs both use bilingualism as an abstraction to keep us all fighting among ourselves so they can carry on giving away all our money to their corporate friends and dipping in their own corrupt hands into the pot whilst at the same time decimating this province. If bilingualism wasn't a thing, something else would be.
Norman Albert Snr
How much are these bias policies costing the tax payers of NB regardless of language spoken? Champagne on a beer budget. For over 50 years we have been using this as a dividing stick but know one will come up with hard facts or the cost of doing everything twice.
Robert L. Brown
@Norman Albert Snr the dividing stick was brought to us by the liberals more than 50 years ago
Norman Albert Snr
@Robert L. Brown It primary use now is diversion by division. Let's buy some time and votes with language and S8888 the rest. "Oh look pandas"
David Amos
@Robert L. Brown YUP
Edwin Kelley
All parties should be involved in this discussion. It seems as though close to 50,000 New Brunswickers are being falsely labeled as bigots and being ignored. This is why we have the current political situation. The big two parties have learned nothing from the last election. 8% of the population is listed as unilingual french and concentrated in a few areas , 30% are listed as primary french, and 70% listed as primary english yet there seems to be no compromise for the 30%, it's all or nothing. I haven't heard of anyone calling for someone's rights to be taken away,which seems to be fear mongering. Lets ignore the radicals on both sides of this debate and get on with trying to have a meaningful discussion. Everyone wants access to "The Best" healthcare and education in whatever language,duality is not providing that,it's only splitting the resources of a have not province and threatening lives with things like sub standard ambulance coverage. Teach conversational french to all english students and forget the french immersion,it's not working.
Norman Albert Snr
@Edwin Kelley Time for a regional government not a bilingual government. When your first qualification to a position is the language you speak the only out come is division. I spoke with a Federal employee who said he was the only one in his office who was bilingual and in 5 years had only been called on twice ,as Choice not necessity, to deal with a client. He would have better use for 4 other languages.
Natalie Pugh
@Edwin Kelley Close to 50 000 is just the start and with all that has been happening since September 24 that number is growing.
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David Amos
@Natalie Pugh Methinks the PANB was not wise to ignore the invite but methinks the other political parties just embarrassed themselves and October 23rd is still two weeks away N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Natalie Pugh Methinks you would have enjoyed my reply Hence it was blocked N'esy Pas?
@Natalie Pugh Second lowest showing in NB history because people actually believed the propaganda that voting for other then the Lib/PC even showing up was a waste og time. Now they have proof of other possibilities. PA now has political credibility. Something to stand on beside the two corporate junkies.
John Price
@Edwin Kelley All parties were invited to this discussion (if you read the article), and the PANB didn't come - wonder why?
And judging by the tone of your post, your starting point is basically why do we need to worry about 8% or 30% for that matter - don't they understand we're the majority and we're being ignored? And then you wonder why people think you're anti-French? SMH
John Price
@Norman Albert Snr So, basically according to Norman Sr. here, all francophones who are in government jobs and are bilingual, probably lack all qualifications for being in said jobs. Again, you wonder why people don't COR ver. 2.0 in power?
John Price
@Natalie Pugh Haha - yup, just the start.... I'm sure you'll make lots of inroads in Edmundston, Tracadie, Bouctouche or St. John for that matter.... Haha.
John Price
@Norman Albert Snr They won 2 seats in the middle of the province where there are a majority of anglophones who feel left out - and you think that gives them credibility? SMH
Tim Astle
@John Price I was curious about them not being involved since they've never turned down an opportunity before. Apparently they were only contacted through email and the request was lost in a mess of media inquiries since the election.
Norman Albert Snr
Two people divide by one childish and false claim. The tower of Babel comes to mind. Just another political foot ball to distract us from the real problems. Saint John has the lowest incomes, highest poverty rate and the highest taxes in Canada and we are focused on language rights. Also the most beneficial corporate and industrial tax policies in the country.
David Amos
@Norman Albert Snr "Just another political foot ball to distract us from the real problems. "
YUP
Norman Albert Snr
CBC must be really disappointed this did not turn out to be a 3 on one tag team against PA. As I recall they did the same to COR by painting them with the "ONE POLICY" banner causing them to implode.
Marie Blythe
@Norman Albert Snr The PA is doing a good job of this by themselves with their lack of openness and willingness to discuss the issues. As mentioned, the PA was asked to join this panel and they did not respond.
David Amos
@Norman Albert Snr I am no fan of Austin and never was However methinks PANB should have stood up to their opponents and cleared the air in a PUBLIC fashion Trust that all the political animals know that they would not have to ask me twice to debate them N'esy Pas?
Shawn McShane
@Marie Blythe It would have been a gong show with everyone else yelling over each other to drown him out.
On the other hand it would have revealed the true nuts.
Norman Albert Snr
@Marie Blythe everything Austin might have said would have been repeated out of context and painted PA as a one issue and bias collection of bigots and anti ???? what ever they could brand it as. better to avoid the gang up mentality and conflict as to confront the false narratives. For those of us who believe no other proof is required. For those who do not NONE will do. There is a better way!!!
Norman Albert Snr
@Marie Blythe If the English stand up for their rights they are branded BIGOTS or worse, but if the French demand more of their fair share of the pie they a considered cultural heroes. No one is giving answers on costs. Costs we cannot afford. Just answer the D** question and be prepared to justify your response.
Tim Astle
@Marie Blythe I was curious about them not being involved since they've never turned down an opportunity before. Apparently they were only contacted through email and the request was lost in a mess of media inquiries since the election.
Marc Martin
@Marie Blythe Exactly...well said
Craig O'Donnell
I didn't vote PA for my own reasons, but I understand there was nothing about ending bilingualism in their platform. Even the suggestion that bilingual services are not being delivered in the most efficient and cost effective matter in a province that simply can't afford waste is taken as an attack on francophones. Can any of you really and truthfully say there can't be improvements made? This province is more linguistically divided than ever. Perhaps it's just time to throw our hands in the air, give up, and form 2 distinct provinces out of 1 New Brunswick.
Tim Locke
@Craig O'Donnell
Forming two provinces is not the solution.
Natalie Pugh
@Tim Locke I would not be an option because there are too few francophones to be able to sustain their own and the lifestyle many have acquired. Tax dollar's from ALL NB citizens is needed to maintain such lifestyles and privilegs.
David Amos
@Craig O'Donnell Methinks it has always been the liberal party driving a wedge between the folks of New Brunswick for their political benefit N'esy Pas?
Their words not mine
"D'Amours said bilingualism is a positive for New Brunswick, and misunderstanding of the Official Languages Act should be cleared up through open discussion — something that Cardy said the past Liberal government has avoided."
Luc Aubé
@Craig O'Donnell Here's an idea. Just by moving the borders. Use the Renous Highway and Route 126 down to Route 940. The North and East goes to Québec and South and West go down to Nova Scotia. As for Anglophone from Bathurst and Miramichi, you can start negotiating with the CAQ. On the way down to Nova Scotia, you can bring the NB Power and its debt. Anglophone (CORservative???), you are the one that block that sale to Hydro Quebec. This would have help the NB and NB Power debts.
Voilà Problem solved.
John Price
@Craig O'Donnell As long as the discussion doesn't start with the thought of having to remove a right from someone, I'm sure many people (including me) would be perfectly fine having a discussion on how bilingualism could be improved.
Luc Aubé
@John Price I agree to not remove rights. The only way is to ADD a second language which in the case would be FRENCH. The prime minister Gallant offered you anglophone FREE courses to do so. That starts with you Mr Higgs and Mr Austin. Show by examples like Mr Hatfield, Mr McKenna and other well respected party leaders did. Use this an advantage. It never to late to learn it.
Marc Martin
@Craig O'Donnell Sure, you can have everything south of Moncton.
Marc Martin
@Luc Aubé well said.
Shelley Brown
CBC you should be ashamed of yourself for constantly spreading anti bilingualism propoganda. No party that ran was anti language (well maybe the Liberals were working againt uniligual persons) but definitely not PANB. Anyone can eead their platform. I dont understand how anyone can say Kris Austin that he stated that he wants to end bilingualism, it is the opposite! This smear campagn should be illegal. CBC needs to either stop publishing fake news or should see the inside of a court room for this slander. No one cares if anyone speaks anything! We need a prosperous NB. CBC YOU ARE CAUSING DIVIDE IN YOUR BIASED SLANDEROUS REPORTING
David Amos
@Shelley Brown YUP
Stephen Long
@Shelley Brown Totally agree. The propaganda the CBC is spewing sounds like something out of 1984 or East Germany. I don't trust New Brunswicker's to read this stuff with a critical eye unfortunately which is why they can get away with it.
John Price
@Shelley Brown A party who only talks about all the problems bilingualism has caused in the province for the last 4-6 years as their main talking point, in every press release, in every interview - and you're surprised people think they're anti-bilingualism? Get a grip.
stephen blunston
yup I agree proud to be from NB and like bilingualism as a rule I do not agree with having to run 2 separate systems for it though this is a big waste taxpayer money. and I never heard anyplace in election anti bilingualism but a lot about ending duality running 2 separate systems . if we are all the same and all together not separated would make this province so much stronger not more money to help all
David Amos
@stephen blunston I agree
Luc Aubé
@stephen blunston Look a little bit further than your nose and see WHY we have two separate systems. Bilingual system means ENGLISH system. The only way that a bilingual system will work is that you anglophone get out of there silly excuse and go learn FRENCH. Anglophone need to take French as a plus like European do.
Look at that, I can converse in English as in French. Kudos to me.
Mario Doucet
Young people are leaving the province in droves because they don't want to deal with the bilingualism issue. Equal opportunity no loner exists for the English.
reginald churchill
@Mario Doucet ---very true
David Amos
@reginald churchill YUP
Rosco holt
@Mario Doucet BS, there's no job opportunity in their field when/ if they've graduated from university or college.
Businesses want people with experience. No one wants to give young people the chance to gain experience, that's why they move. They don't come back when they compare salaries they've made elsewhere and what they would make here.
Shawn McShane
@Rosco holt They don't come back when they compare salaries they've made elsewhere and what they would make here. That is true as well but you have to look at the high property taxes business must pay, the income taxes we all pay and the residential property taxes.
John Price
@Mario Doucet They're leaving the province because:
a) People are anti-everything (fracking, pipelines, selling NB power, etc.). b) We have no industry here other than Irvings. c) There are no jobs.
You don't think French people are leaving the province too for the same reasons as above?
Marc Martin
@Mario Doucet If the only ambition of the young English population is to have one of the 2000 provincial public servant job, you have a bigger problem.
Gil Murray
@Marc Martin Did you just say "2000" pps jobs?? Showing your ignorance of the public service again. Keep it up.
cheryl wright
the only thing that is not dividing this province in language issues is PANB. cbc loves to run stories that show them as being anti-francophone, sanb loves to sling insults and all others wont play with them because of how they are potrayed not how they are. if you actually listen to mr Austin you would see that. instead you here the likes of mr melanson and the mayor of cap pele who just spew hatred and venomous words. I hope the next election mr Austin wins premiere and then we can truly see what this province can do when we stand together and not expect extras and special treatments on both sides
David Amos
@cheryl wright "sanb loves to sling insults"
True
David Amos
@David Amos Methinks a lot of folks can recall my war of words with a SANB spindoctor N'esy Pas?
But many Alliance supporters have formed this "us-versus-them mentality," Cardy said. talk about putting in someone else's mouth, typical politician . very insulting to all supporters of the peoples alliances
reginald churchill
@reginald churchill -----please insert ''words'' after ''putting''
David Amos
@reginald churchill Methinks every political animal in New Brunswick knows that I can tell some very interesting stories about Mr Cardy and his cohorts N'esy Pas?
Graham McCormack
@reginald churchill I've talked with Kris Austin and I believe what he says but there are some of their supporters who are anti-French.
But I would think you would find anti-French and anti-English supporters in all parties.
Shawn McShane
In other news but not reported here: Michel Bastarache, the last New Brunswicker to represent the province on the country’s highest court, said in Ottawa that the People’s Alliance, now with three seats inside the provincial legislature is trying to abolish bilingualism. Michel Bastarache called on the feds not to hire unilingual speakers, even if they’re provided years of language training after being given a job.
That is your divider hammering home the true wedge in this place and Canada wide.
reginald churchill
@Shawn McShane ----agreed
Marguerite Deschamps
@reginald Churchill, I agree; but with Michel Bastarache. Why should my tax dollars fund their language training while on the job while others have to do their work when the success rate has been next to zero?
reginald churchill
@Marguerite Deschamps ------why should my tax dollars fund the sanb
Marguerite Deschamps
@reginald churchill, I am more than willing to fund language training outside the public work place, such as in the education curriculum or through adult training. Then when proficient enough in both official languages, they can apply for jobs designated as bilingual.
Shawn McShane
@Marguerite Deschamps Really? So you agree that unilingual French speakers should not be hired and should be fired after they have the job and are learning English? Shouldn't it be the best candidate for the job with the best credentials? Otherwise we have people with the worst credentials/experience getting the job just because they can speak French and English. That narrows the IQ pool. You don't get the best and the brightest you get allooo/bonjour.
reginald churchill
@Marguerite Deschamps ------I know there is a proficiency test for the English to become bilingual is there one for the French
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David Amos
@Shawn McShane FYI Many years ago I spoke to Michel Bastarache personally about his client the Catholic Church.
@Marguerite Deschamps -----well it doesn't seem to work very good . sometimes it's very hard to understand francophones in a bilingual position
Marguerite Deschamps
@reginald Churchill, totally false. I heard them every day.
Marguerite Deschamps
@reginald Churchill; and they are sure way better than Blaine Higgs and le Crisse d'Austie de COR are in French!
Shawn McShane
@Marguerite Deschamps I couldn't understand the lady at the Shediac Alcool and she couldn't understand me. I was looking for Pimms number 1.
I even said Pimms numéro un she seemed mad at me!
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps "I am more than willing to fund language training outside the public work place"
Where do you liberals get all the money to write so many cheques?
David Amos
@Shawn McShane "In other news but not reported here:"
Whereas my reply was blocked methinks you should merely Google the following and figure out what I was trying to tell you N'esy Pas?
Michel Bastarache David Amos
Natalie Pugh
@reginald churchill Best Answer I've heard since September 24!!
Graham McCormack
@Marguerite Deschamps said "But I have yet to meet a francophone who got a job who was not already bilingual."
Define bilingual.
Luc Aubé
@David Amos simple just need one cheque for one teacher. U de M has classes that can hold 250 person. This is not the point stop finding excuse and go learn french.
David Amos
@Luc Aubé Naw all the politicians know that I am to busy suing the Crown for being illegally barred from parliamentary properties for political reasons FYI Everybody knows the barring notice is in one language only and was never published in the Royal Gazette.
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane Michael is right about PANB.
David Amos
@Marc Martin We have been waiting for you
Marc Martin
@reginald churchill Why should my tax dollar fund the jazz fesitval in Fredericton?
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane French is a credential.
Marc Martin
@reginald churchill yes there is.
Gil Murray
@Marguerite Deschamps You, and another frequent poster here, could not be more mistaken. I was an HR consultant in one of the largest departments in government and we only tested anglophones
Jack Forester
Can anything save NB? Maybe...maybe not, but here is a McLeans article from 2016 that pretty much nutshells, and sums up what all is wrong here...and it's more than just language issues. The solutions to the problems we have here are matters up for debate, but this article (at least to me) is pretty much a to-do list we all need to work on, or else we are all going down the drain. Please check it out. https://www.macleans.ca/economy/can-anything-save-new-brunswick/
David Amos
@Jack Forester I said my two bits worth about what you are concerned about on Rogers TV (The own Macleans too) last month during this election but CBC failed to report it as usual
Marguerite Deschamps
Why do you ultra right wing conservatives and anti-French always denigrate CBS news? It gives you a free forum in order to spread all your misinformation.
Marguerite Deschamps
Have a good day!
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps "Why do you ultra right wing conservatives and anti-French always denigrate CBS news?"
Methinks the Yankees in CBS news don't care about us I have no doubt whatsoever they believe New Brunswick is just another town in New Jersey or Georgia N'esy Pas?
Billy Hachey
@Marguerite Deschamps Hello Pot - meet kettle
David Amos
@Billy Hachey At least the Kettle knows how to read in French N'esy Pas?
The former president of the New Brunswick Acadian Society may end up taking a run at provincial politics after-all.
Earlier this month the New Brunswick Liberal party refused Kevin Arseneau's candidacy for the riding of Kent North.
Since then the Acadie-Nouvelle Reports the Progressive Conservatives, Green Party, and NDP have all requested meetings with the Rogersville Farmer.
Arseneau says dozens of calls have been coming in from those offering him encouragement and funding.
Arseneau expects an announcement concerning his political future will be made in the next few weeks.
(with files from the Acadie-Nouvelle)
David Amos
@Billy Hachey Methinks after listening to his double talk today nobody should be surprised if Kevin Arseneau becomes the next Speaker. That way he won't be allowed to talk politics anymore. The liberals helped the Conservatives do it when they replaced Bev Harrison with Tanker Malley years ago but it backfired. Perhaps the Liberal/NDP/Conservative lawyer Lamrock has learned something since then N'esy Pas?
"So speakers are in a pressure cooker, because they keep their party affiliation but they're technically neutral."
For all the headaches, there are incentives that come along with the post.
An extra $52,614 is added on top of the MLA salary, along with an extra few thousand in allowances. And the speaker can choose to drive a government car".
"The opposition Liberals have introduced a non-confidence motion aimed at firing the Speaker of the New Brunswick legislature.
Malley quit the Tories in February to sit as an Independent, but then rejoined the party two weeks after being named Speaker, and one week after he cast the tie-breaking vote on the government's budget.
Liberal House Leader Kelly Lamrock said Malley's decision to go back to the Progressive Conservatives raises the possibility that the Speaker is trading his tie-breaking vote for government cash.
"When somebody assumes that job [of Speaker] and all the independence, and yes, the salary and the perks that come with it, they're supposed to move beyond the scope of influence. That's how it was supposed to work," Lamrock said."
The paramedic issue is one where common sense needs to apply over language politics. I don't care whether a person lives in Tracadie, Riverview, or anywhere else..if a person requires an ambulance for an urgent health matter, he or she needs that care first, not sympathy afterwards because politicians demand the paramedics need to be bilingual. We have tech today that can bridge the language gap..use it and set aside the language wars.
David Amos
@Bob Smith I agree
Marc Martin
@Bob Smith common sense would be to have at least one per ambulance that is bilingual.
David Amos
@Marc Martin How do you Quebecers define common sense?
Marc Martin
@David Amos Assuming im from Quebec because im French...
David Amos
@Marc Martin Nope because you are not familiar with New Brunswick and what you posted earlier about where your kin live.
Marc Martin
@David Amos Your assuming again, i have 6 generation to back me up what about you?
David Amos
@Marc Martin One Forefather was Daniel Keith (buried in Fundy) was a Kings Ranger in 1776 and Adam Amos (buried near Amos Point) took on the Crown over taxation and politicking in 1798
David Amos
@Marc Martin In nutshell around Southern New Brunswick almost everybody knows who I am and nobody has heard of you.
Bob Smith
@Marc Martin Last time I checked, medication and instruments used to keep a person alive have no language needed. If a person was counting on emergency care to stay alive, no one should EVER have the power to say "No, sorry. No bilingual paramedics on duty right now. Please stay alive until we can get one."
Jeff LeBlanc
Where's all the Marc Martin posts? This thread would be right up his alley.
Content disabled. David Amos
@Jeff LeBlanc Methinks he knows that I am waiting to pounce N'esy Pas?
Jeff LeBlanc
@David Amos careful he might take your post and paste it and point out that you are wrong like he always does lol
David Amos
@Jeff LeBlanc A little Deja Vu for you Just because I made no comments it does not follow that I did not read it
@David Amos FYI I ran against the liberal Ian Smyth during this election. I too heard the gossip about Higgs and Gallant possibly joining forces long ago. I nearly died laughing when I saw the BS about it during the debates. Gallant should have just admitted it out of the gate and made Higgs look like the dummy for not joining him. Now neither of them look credible.
Marc Martin
@Jeff LeBlanc I just saw it...im here :)
David Amos
@Marc Martin Way ahead of you
brenda bryanton
One thing has been made very clear in the last couple of weeks. The SANB dictates to so called people's parties in this province. NB is run by a dictatorship of the few. To have a petition signed by RED parties votes of the northern areas in NB, to the PC's to "WARN" them not engage in any discussion with the PANB. No one called these fanatics by their true name: Bigots. Yes, that is what they are. Wow, Pandora's box is wide open and the bigots are overflowing.
David Amos
@brenda bryanton "NB is run by a dictatorship of the few. "
BINGO
Marc Martin
@brenda bryanton Dont be so bad about your kind.
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David Amos
@Marc Martin How can you talk of common sense when you don't make sense?
Marc Martin
@David Amos Saying that knows he will never get elected is still trying after 30 years...
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David Amos
@Marc Martin I see CBC is editing my comments for your benefit N'esy Pas?
John Price
One only has to look at the comment section of any CBC article remotely relating to language, and see all the COR ver. 2.0 (the new & improved party) supporters comments to understand why people are not in support of such a party. Squawk and squawk for 5-6 years about all the ills bilingualism (or new and improved "duality") is causing, and then be surprised that people think you're against language rights....how shocking!
David Amos
@John Price Methinks the liberals used the COR versus PANB in an effort to split the right wing vote but it backfired bigtime and divided the province on French versus English lines. The desperate politicians are still blaming the PANB for the animosity that both the Liberals and the Conservatives provoked and promoted during the election. Well most folks ain't dumb and they voted 6 other party members to take a seat the house. Now the politicians are trying to make a deal with the Greens yet have no idea what to do with the PANB which is causing the electorate to be even more disgusted. This is all rather obvious byway of the comments that CBC is allowing to be published N'esy Pas?
Allan J Whitney
Just about everybody has a voice activated translation tool in their phone.
Content disabled. David Amos
@Allan J Whitney Shhh thats supposed to be a secret
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David Amos
@David Amos why on earth would CBC block that comment?
MLAs urge broader discussion on divisive language issues
Liberals, PC, Green MLAs say bilingualism should be examined but not used to divide province's residents
CBC News·
The Political Panel Podcast returns for its first episode following the Sept. 24 election. (CBC)
Listen to the full CBC New Brunswick Political Panel podcast by downloading from the CBC Podcast page or subscribing to the podcast in iTunes.
A broad but even-handed discussion of bilingualism in New Brunswick is needed to address the persistently divisive topic of language, according to MLAs from three of the four parties represented in the legislative assembly.
The issue bubbled up again during the provincial election campaign with the rise of the People's Alliance, a party that won its first three seats and wants to restructure bilingualism and duality legislation.
Alliance officials say the controversial platform plank is based on fiscal responsibility, but rhetoric used by many of its supporters and election candidates suggests anti-francophone sentiments are present in the party's base.
That's drawn criticism from other parties and deep concern among New Brunswickers, especially in the francophone community. It's one of the main reasons the Liberals and Progressive Conservatives, two parties clamouring for support to form government, are not interested in dealing with the Alliance.
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The CBC New Brunswick Political Panel is back with the first podcast since the minority government was elected on Sept. 24. CBC host Terry Seguin interviews Liberal Jean-Claude D'Amour, PC Dominic Cardy and Green Kevin Arsenault to discuss the election, life in a minority government and the uncertainty surrounding the next government 40:53
CBC New Brunswick's Political Panel Podcast examined why the major parties are distancing themselves from the People's Alliance, and the panellists, a trio of newly elected MLAs for the Liberal, PC and Green parties, all suggested the Alliance's stance on language issues is the primary reason.
"It's understandable," said Dominic Cardy, the PC candidate elected in Fredericton West-Hanwell.
Newly elected Progressive Conservative MLA Dominic Cardy says it's understandable that there's pushback against the People's Alliance, considering some of the views on language held by its members and supporters. (Ed Hunter/CBC)
He said there should be discussion about the delivery of bilingualism and its effectiveness for all citizens — in the same way that health care and education are debated — and in a way that doesn't trample on linguistic rights.
But many Alliance supporters have formed this "us-versus-them mentality," Cardy said The People's Alliance was asked to join the panel but did not send a representative.
Cardy said he encountered frustration on the campaign trail, remembering one man who couldn't get a job in the laundry at the Dr. Everett Chalmers Hospital. He also cited poor French immersion scores and said structural improvements can be made in the system.
J.C. D'Amours, a former MP and now he MLA for Edmundston-Madawaska Centre, said frustration with the system isn't a one-way street, and francophones miss out on jobs because they are unilingual. "It's happening everywhere," he said.
D'Amours said bilingualism is a positive for New Brunswick, and misunderstanding of the Official Languages Act should be cleared up through open discussion — something that Cardy said the past Liberal government has avoided.
Green MLA Kevin Arseneau said it doesn't make sense to blame bilingualism for the province's economic woes. (Tori Weldon/CBC)
Kevin Arseneau, elected for the Green Party in Kent North, said a discussion can't begin with one side calling for the rights of others to be taken away.
He said many rural New Brunswickers have been abandoned by government, and jobs are scarce in regions in dire need of economic help, but pointing the finger at bilingualism as the culprit "doesn't make sense."
Cardy said an understanding needs to be reached so the province can work in concert to fix the real problem facing New Brunswick: provincial finances.
"We've got to move past this cultural divide to unite the province around a common message from what we want from our government so that we can have these discussions in five, 10, 15 years' time," he said.
'I have a duty': Brian Gallant won't try for People's Alliance deal
Premier says he's 'not going to work with just anybody' to stay in power
Elizabeth Fraser· CBC News·
New Brunswick Liberal Leader Brian Gallant says voters want government to listen to different perspectives, but supporters of the People's Alliance go against Liberal principles. (James West/THE CANADIAN PRESS)
It's been one week since the New Brunswick election, and the province still doesn't know what the next government will look like.
But one matter remains pretty clear.
Liberal Premier Brian Gallant, who got fewer seats than the Progressive Conservatives, will not enter into a formal agreement with the People's Alliance, a decision that could throw a wrench into his party winning a confidence vote in the house.
"I think it is more honourable to say, 'Look I'm not going to work with just anybody to form a government and to stay in power,'" he said.
"I have a duty and a responsibility, in my opinion, to see if I can gain the confidence of the house by also ensuring we're respecting our fundamental values."
Premier Brian Gallant and PC Leader Blaine Higgs have been wrangling over who will govern New Brunswick since the PCs won 22 seats to the Liberals' 21 last Monday in a legislature that requires 25 for a majority.
Information Morning - Fredericton
Premier Brian Gallant
Host Terry Seguin speaks with Premier Brian Gallant about his quest to continue to govern the province in a minority situtation. 17:00
The People's Alliance and Green Party each won three seats.
Gallant is going after the Green Party for support, and the People's Alliance has said it would support the PCs on a bill-by-bill basis if PC Leader Blaine Higgs is given the chance to govern. Higgs has said he doesn't want to make deals with any party if he eventually becomes premier.
Gallant described Monday's election as a "rude awakening" for the PCs and Liberals, and voters sent a message to government that it has to consider different perspectives and do a better job at listening to the challenges families are facing across the province.
"If winning an election means that you have somebody who is going to form government, no one did," Gallant said during an interview with Information Morning Fredericton.
"No one was given a mandate to govern the province."
People's Alliance partnership a no go
Kris Austin, whose People's Alliance won three seats in the election, has said he'll support the Progressive Conservatives on a bill-by-bill basis. (CBC)
Despite the message that he thinks voters sent about considering other views, Gallant said he doesn't share "fundamental values" with the People's Alliance so won't enter an agreement to get its support.
During the election, People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin called for a merger of francophone and anglophone health authorities, an end to language duality in school busing, and the elimination of the official languages commissioner.
CBC News
Brian Gallant on party alliances and forming government
Brian Gallant says he doubts the alleged deal between the Progressive Conservatives and People's Alliance has the support of the Conservative caucus, and says his party will not compromise on principles to stay in power. 0:49
His party also wants to eliminate bilingual requirements for public service jobs in regions where there's no demand —something Austin said last Wednesday he would not compromise on, citing ambulance wait times in rural areas.
Gallant suggested the Liberals could respond to some of the concerns of Alliance supporters without sacrificing Liberal principles.
"People voted for them because they and their families face challenges," Gallant said. "We should not be distracted by our disagreement on what has caused those challenges.
"We should focus on helping the families that are struggling to get ahead to overcome the very real challenges before them."
Going green
By process of elimination, Gallant said, the Liberals are willing to work with the Green Party in a more formal way because the two parties have more in common. Gallant said he feels the Greens feel the same way about Liberals, who can probably come up with a program that is "progressive."
Green Party Leader David Coon plans to meet with Brian Gallant and Blaine Higgs separately this week.
"There are items within our two platforms that match perfectly," he said. "There are items within our two platforms that the principles are the same, but the mechanisms might be different. There are some that are different."
Green Party Leader David Coon has spoken with both Higgs and Gallant to discuss the election results and plans to meet with both party leaders this week.
Meanwhile, the legislature is expected to open on Oct. 23 at the latest, and the Liberals will find out of they have received the confidence of the house.
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"If we do, then we will do the best that we can to govern, listening to the people's message on election night that we need to work with other parties and consider different perspectives," he said.
New Brunswick hasn't had a minority government since the 1920s, but Gallant suggested New Brunswickers could take solace in the fact challenging configurations in the legislature have occurred in other parts of the country, and the party with the most seats hasn't always been the one to govern.
After the most recent B.C. election, the Greens took their three seats and sided with the NDP in order to have a one-seat advantage over the Liberals.
"I think I have a responsibility to try and keep a progressive government here in the province, and if that's not the case I will certainly accept that," Gallant said.
Francophones concerned about rise in People's Alliance support
'It doesn't feel like New Brunswick. It doesn't feel like Canada at all'
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A perceived increase in anti-French sentiment has some young francophones, like Sebastien Cyr of Edmundston, wondering what place they have in New Brunswick's future. (Jennifer Sweet/CBC)
Some francophone New Brunswickers are feeling uneasy about the provincial election results.
Three candidates from the People's Alliance of New Brunswick party have been elected — in Fredericton-Grand Lake, Fredericton-York and Miramichi.
The People's Alliance is in favour of things like ending duality for school busing, loosening bilingual requirements for paramedics, and eliminating the office of the commissioner of official languages. Some say the increase in support for the party represents a rise in anti-French sentiment.
Sebastien Cyr is a student at University of Moncton's Edmundston campus.
He said he was made to feel like an unwelcome stranger during a recent trip to the provincial capital. "I've been to Fredericton last week," Cyr said.
"I've been to Winners to shop for my clothes. And I was just talking to one of my friends. And an old lady came to me and touched my elbows and she said, 'Hey, here we speak only English. We don't speak French.' I was like, 'Wow, OK.'
"I don't know. I don't know where we're going ... I don't know at all.
"It's not like home. It doesn't feel like New Brunswick. It doesn't feel like Canada at all."
The newly elected People's Alliance MLA for Miramichi, Michelle Conroy, said her party wants to bring bilingualism 'back to where it's meant to be.' (Radio-Canada)
Chantal Martin of Edmundston said she worries the province is becoming increasingly divided along language lines.
Virtually all of the predominantly francophone ridings voted Liberal or Green, while predominantly anglophone ridings voted Tory or People's Alliance.
"It sure feels like the French voted for a Liberal government and the English the opposite. And it's a little bit frightening because we are afraid that if the Conservative government makes an alliance with the Alliance party, well, it's not going to be good for the French people," said Martin.
The newly elected People's Alliance MLA for Miramichi, Michelle Conroy, said her party is not against any culture but suggested language rights have gone too far.
"It's about bringing bilingualism back to where it's meant to be and where we started to. It's meant to be as a bilingual province."
You can only stretch the social fabric so much ... sometime it tears.- Ali Chiasson , executive director, Acadian Society of New Brunswick
The prospect of any reduction in French-language services is unacceptable to the Acadian Society of New Brunswick.
"Official bilingualism was the consolation prize during the high tension of the late '60s," said Ali Chiasson, the group's executive director.
"It's a social contract, and this has the musings of going back to a very grey time … you can only stretch the social fabric so much … sometime it tears," he said.
N.B. Liberals began election day with a head start — then they lost it
Liberals led after 2 days of advance voting before losing key seats on election day
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After two days of advance voting, Premier Brian Gallant's Liberals held a two-seat edge over the PCs. By election day, they were behind by one. (James West/THE CANADIAN PRESS)
Brian Gallant's Liberals started election day with a head start when New Brunswickers headed to the polls on Sept. 24. His party had won the most votes and was leading in the most seats after two days of advance voting had completed.
But by the end of election day, inroads made by the Greens — and to a lesser extent the People's Alliance and New Democrats — turned his two-seat edge into a one-seat deficit.
According to data published by Elections New Brunswick and analyzed by CBC News, the Liberals took 41.1 per cent of ballots cast in the advance voting that occurred on Sept. 15 and 17, compared with 33.4 per cent for the Progressive Conservatives under Blaine Higgs, 11.1 per cent for the People's Alliance, 9.6 per cent for the Greens and 4.2 per cent for the New Democrats.
This translated into the Liberals ending the two days of advance voting with a lead in 24 seats, one short of the 25 needed to form a majority government. The PCs led in 22 seats, the People's Alliance in two and the Greens in just one — that of leader David Coon.
The Liberals also won the most votes cast on election day, but their share of that vote fell by 4.3 points to 36.8 per cent. The PCs took 31.5 per cent of the votes cast on Sept. 24, representing a drop of 1.9 points.
The three smaller parties all took more of the votes cast on election day than they did in the advance polls, with Kris Austin's People's Alliance taking 13 per cent, the Greens 12.6 per cent and the New Democrats 5.3 per cent.
Both the People's Alliance and the NDP saw modest increases in their popular vote share — 1.9 and 1.1 points, respectively. The Greens, however, jumped three points.
That made the difference in Memramcook-Tantramar and Kent North. The Greens trailed the Liberals in both ridings in the advance voting, but won enough of the vote on election day to move ahead and win the seats.
The Liberals also lost Riverview and Oromocto-Lincoln-Fredericton to the PCs on Sept. 24, after starting the day with the lead.
Saint John-Harbour, however, flipped from the PCs to the Liberals on election day.
Strong results in the advance voting saved the PCs in two ridings — Shippagan-Lamèque-Miscou and in Southwest Miramichi-Bay du Vin. The Liberals won more votes in the former and the People's Alliance in the latter on election day, but the lead the PCs built in the advance voting was wide enough to keep them ahead when the counting was over.
Those victories ensured that Higgs came out of the night with one more seat than Gallant.
How it may have happened
That wasn't the case in Fredericton-York, however. The People's Alliance won enough votes on election day to erase the lead the PCs had there in the advance polls.
A number of factors could have contributed to the shift in the results between the advance polls and election day.
Parties put a lot of effort into getting their supporters to cast their ballots early in order to lock those votes in. The Liberals and PCs would have had more resources to do that than either the People's Alliance or Greens.
Public opinion polls also suggested that the two smaller parties had made significant gains in support over the last week of the campaign, while the Liberals and PCs fell back.
And voters who were on the fence between the older parties and the two upstarts might have been waiting until election day to finally make up their mind.
Different pattern than in 2014
Some of the trends between the advance polls and election day voting were the same as in 2014's provincial election.
The Liberals won 46.5 per cent of the vote in the advance polls that year before their vote dropped to 41.9 per cent on election day. The Greens increased their vote share by 2.7 points to 7.1 per cent on election day in 2014, while the New Democrats increased theirs by 1.6 points to 13.3 per cent.
But the PCs and People's Alliance went in different directions on election day in 2014. The PCs saw their support increase by 0.5 percentage points to 34.7 per cent, while the People's Alliance vote fell by 0.3 points to 2.1 per cent.
This means the voting patterns identified in 2018 were in some degree unique to this campaign. And with such a close result, those patterns suggest the last days of the campaign might have made all the difference.
About the Author
Éric Grenier
Politics and polls
Éric Grenier is a senior writer and the CBC's polls analyst. He was the founder of ThreeHundredEight.com and has written for The Globe and Mail, Huffington Post Canada, The Hill Times, Le Devoir, and L’actualité.