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Methinks the real question is will Northumberland Dairy stay in the Maritimes? Agropur could pull the same trick that Saputo just did N'esy Pas?
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/saputo-saint-john-close-1.5454345
CBC News· Posted: Feb 06, 2020 1:32 PM AT
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On Thursday, Saputo announced they would close their Saint John plant by Jan. 2021. (Google Maps)
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David Peters
End price controls and allow NB farms to sell their access milk in an open free market.
David Amos
Wayne Wright
Irving Oil got rid of their gas stations to a QC company (Couchtard) a few years back. This past year Ultramar gas outlets around here were re-branded to Irving name run by Couchtard!
David Amos
Ben Haroldson
Time to end supply management...aka corporate welfare.
Jackie Barrett
Now Atlantic Canadians are witnessing the consequences of dairy companies selling out to Saputo, whom are known to purchase dairy companies under a promise to keep their plants open, and then go back on their word with plant closures and product brand renaming.
Also shows that the wealthy 0.0001%, known as billionaires, are never happy with their wealth as they will use whatever means possible to take away livelihoods for the remaining 98.9999%, and get more greedy.
In fact, Emanuele "Lino" Saputo has a net worth of $5.5 billion with the entire Saputo family with a $10.41 billion net worth, and they are never happy.
Back to the Atlantic Canadian plant closures, when Saputo took over Scotsburn Dairy in 2014, they promised to keep their existing dairy plants open. Two years later, they reneged on their commitment with their decision to close the Sydney location.
To make matters worse, Saputo also turned their back on Nova Scotians when they got rid of the Baxter brand and replaced it with Scotsburn.
In light of Saputo closing their Saint John plant, won't be too long they do the same thing to New Brunswickers.
Ben Haroldson
Jamie Stephens
The dairy industry is dying and for good reason.
Terry Tibbs
Mr Trudeau and company have effectively thrown Canadian dairies, and Canadian dairy farmers, under the free trade bus with the agreement that they are just itching to sign.
Upon the expectation of cheaper US dairy product flooding the Canadian retail market I would expect the closure of the smaller, less profitable, dairies ALL across Canada, not limited solely to the dairy in Saint John.
So instead of blaming the folks, who likely paid too much when they bought that dairy, put the blame where it is due. The truth, sometimes, is a hard pill to swallow.
David Amos
Samuel Martin
Oh no, NB is going to become more broke....if that’s possible
David Amos
Lou Bell
Northumberland is every bit as good as Baxters. Guess they get my business . Remember NB'ers , support your companies set up in NB !
Winston Jones
Agropur is a co-operative, partly owned by dairy farmers in N.B. They would have angry farmer-owners to contend with if they tried to leave N.B. One of the benefits of the co-operative business model.
Kevin Weddell
Saputo largely relies on American dairy for it's cheese production and other processed items.
David Amos
Peter Churcher
When they leave I will give my business to a NB dairy. They seem to think that jobs in NB don't matter to people. Northumberland anyone?
Miles Gahan
This the type of thing that happens when a province allows Quebec to gobble up our business. The jobs will be harvested for Quebec. This is the 7 million dollar thank you from a billion dollar corporation after taking corporate welfare from people who struggle to buy milk. Trudeau has to go before he borrows all the money in the world to give to his closests friends,,, makes one wonder what he is getting out of giving so many billionaires hundreds of millions of hard working Canadians money. Use your head at the polls next time!! PLEASE
Terry Tibbs
David Spenner
Keep in mind saputo still has a plant in Halifax. How many dairy plants do you need in the Maritimes? How many bread plants? The maritimes only has the population of a reasonably sized city.
Marzipan Wylier
David Amos
Methinks the real question is will Northumberland Dairy stay in the Maritimes? Agropur could pull the same trick that Saputo just did N'esy Pas?
David Amos
This time I truly am surprised
Shawn McShane
Brian Robertson
Of course they are.
We've come to expect this every time a business in Saint John is bought up by a larger, central Canadian company.
They close the local plant, increase production at a more central alternate facility, then truck the product back here, where once we produced it ourselves.
We've seen it with sugar, bread, beer, blood; and on and on.
Buy local whenever you can.
Stop this bean counter mentality that is dissecting a once prosperous city.
Lewis Taylor
Matt Steele
Sad to see the loss of jobs ; the best of luck to the employees and their families who will be affected by this closure .
Steve Ryan
Saputo has been doing this across Canada. They are far from being the best corporate citizens.
Michael Levesque
at $7 for 4 liters of milk in NB i have not bought milk here over 10 years. there should be a police investigation into that kind of price fixing. hopefully someone will buy it and sell cheaper milk
Steve Ryan
Ferdinand Boudreau
I could see this one coming , the minute they bought out Baxter, in was in the plan.
Not what happened to NB dairy farmers who are protected by the Mild board?
David Amos
James Risdon
Does this mean there is now an opportunity to open a new dairy - or expand an existing one - in New Brunswick?
Andrew Clarkson
Ray Bungay
I shop a lot at Costco especially meats, dairy and fruit. Last fall was in the store bought Baxter milk and Sussex brand butter. Exactly one week later all products Baxter or Sussex in dairy were replaced with Northtumberlsnd brands as well as a brand of butter from Ontario. So even then Costco either knew this was happening or speculated a change was coming.
Johnny Jakobs
Dwight Mullover
No surprise really. A big Quebec company buys a New Brunswick company and then shuts it down. Its sad really. I remember in the 60s and 70s there were 4 dairies in Fredericton alone; General Dairy, Thistle Dairy, Evans Dairy, and Coop Dairy. The bread company in Woodstock was bought out by Canada Bread and its closed as well. If you wonder why we are paying so much for food its is because there's little to no competition in most industries now and our governments have allow this happen. No wonder there are so few jobs left in New Brunswick. Solution for you is do not buy Baxter milk or Saputo Cheese.
SarahRose Werner
John Grail
Good riddance.
David Amos
Fred Brewer
This is why I don't like large corporation takeovers of local businesses. Sometimes I suspect their primary motivation is to buy the business with the goal of shutting it down to effectively eliminate a competitor. Look what happened to our potash mines. The list is endless.
Saputo will now supply our area from a plant in ON or QC. We suffer the job losses and in return we will get less shelf life on their products due to transportation time.
Dwight Mullover
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks the real question is will Northumberland Dairy stay in the Maritimes? Agropur could pull the same trick that Saputo just did N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/02/httpstwitter.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/saputo-saint-john-close-1.5454345
Dairy giant Saputo to close Saint John plant
Company distributes products under the brand names Baxter, Cracker Barrel and Scotsburn
CBC News· Posted: Feb 06, 2020 1:32 PM AT
On Thursday, Saputo announced they would close their Saint John plant by Jan. 2021. (Google Maps)
The large dairy corporation Saputo has announced it will close its Saint John plant after net earnings for the company dropped 42 per cent.
The company announced the closure of the New Brunswick plant in a press release of its latest quarterly financial results.
Saputo, which distributes products under a variety of brand names, including Baxter, Cracker Barrel and Scotsburn, said the decision was made in an attempt to "right-size" operations.
The company said it will close the Saint John plant in Jan. 2021.
The company will also close a plant in Trenton, Ontario.
Between the two facilities the company said 280 employees will be affected.
Saputo said employees not offered relocation will be provided with severance packages.
The original Baxter's Dairy company, which was purchased by Saputo in 2001, has operated in Saint John since 1931.
CBC's Journalistic Standards and PracticesThe company announced the closure of the New Brunswick plant in a press release of its latest quarterly financial results.
Saputo, which distributes products under a variety of brand names, including Baxter, Cracker Barrel and Scotsburn, said the decision was made in an attempt to "right-size" operations.
The company said it will close the Saint John plant in Jan. 2021.
The company will also close a plant in Trenton, Ontario.
Between the two facilities the company said 280 employees will be affected.
Saputo said employees not offered relocation will be provided with severance packages.
The original Baxter's Dairy company, which was purchased by Saputo in 2001, has operated in Saint John since 1931.
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David Peters
End price controls and allow NB farms to sell their access milk in an open free market.
David Amos
Reply to @David Peters: Yea right
David Peters
Reply to @David Amos:
Why not?
Why not?
Wayne Wright
Irving Oil got rid of their gas stations to a QC company (Couchtard) a few years back. This past year Ultramar gas outlets around here were re-branded to Irving name run by Couchtard!
David Amos
Reply to @Wayne Wright: HMMMM
Graeme Duke-Gibbs
A free open market? That would lead to almost every manufacturer of anything closing down in N.B., it is much cheaper to pay one truck drive then to keep an entire factory operating. Should all be happy it is not a free and open market! This was tested with the beer wars just this past year.
David Amos
Reply to @Graeme Duke-Gibbs: True
David Peters
Reply to @Graeme Duke-Gibbs:
In an open, free dairy market, you could get a couple of milk cows and sell the access milk to neighbors...as it is now, you have to pay the dairy cartel $20,000 to the sell your access milk. How is this good for consumers?
In an open, free dairy market, you could get a couple of milk cows and sell the access milk to neighbors...as it is now, you have to pay the dairy cartel $20,000 to the sell your access milk. How is this good for consumers?
William Wallace
I always try to buy local, looks like a switch to Northumberland. At least their plant is in the provinvince
Wayne Wright
Reply to @William Wallace: or is Northumberland Dairy still producing since it was taken over by a QC conglomerate 4 or 5 years ago?
David Amos
Reply to @Wayne Wright: I believe it is Northumberland Dairy still producing in NB.
FYI I buy Northumberland milk because it tastes better Methinks that is likely the reason Baxter's sales declined N'esy Pas?
FYI I buy Northumberland milk because it tastes better Methinks that is likely the reason Baxter's sales declined N'esy Pas?
Elle St Claire:
Just asking- does this have anything to do with Costco switching to Northumberland?
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Elle St Claire: are you kidding! The switch was for monetary reasons decided by a bidding process.
David Amos
Reply to @Wayne Wright: YUP
Ben Haroldson
Time to end supply management...aka corporate welfare.
John Raymond
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Actually Supply management is good, a country should control it's food source. Do you want all food to come from the US? What if there was a food shortage, do you really think the US would ship us food first?
As well this issue has nothing to do with supply management.
As well this issue has nothing to do with supply management.
Michael Levesque
Reply to @John Raymond: Supply management allows for price fixing and consumers paying high prices for these goods. i live next to the American border i never buy over priced food in Canada. supply management was set up to protect the quebec dairy industry. the hell with them we live in free country so lets have a free open market.
David Amos
Reply to @John Raymond: I agree
David Amos
Reply to @michael levesque: Freedom has it price and Mr Raymond makes some very good points
Jackie Barrett
Now Atlantic Canadians are witnessing the consequences of dairy companies selling out to Saputo, whom are known to purchase dairy companies under a promise to keep their plants open, and then go back on their word with plant closures and product brand renaming.
Also shows that the wealthy 0.0001%, known as billionaires, are never happy with their wealth as they will use whatever means possible to take away livelihoods for the remaining 98.9999%, and get more greedy.
In fact, Emanuele "Lino" Saputo has a net worth of $5.5 billion with the entire Saputo family with a $10.41 billion net worth, and they are never happy.
Back to the Atlantic Canadian plant closures, when Saputo took over Scotsburn Dairy in 2014, they promised to keep their existing dairy plants open. Two years later, they reneged on their commitment with their decision to close the Sydney location.
To make matters worse, Saputo also turned their back on Nova Scotians when they got rid of the Baxter brand and replaced it with Scotsburn.
In light of Saputo closing their Saint John plant, won't be too long they do the same thing to New Brunswickers.
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Jackie Barrett: No different than any other business. Don't suppose supply management would have anything to do with it, like failure to allow a company to compete?
Jackie Barrett
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: The point I'm trying to make is that Saputo has a reputation for taking over dairy companies and not honouring their word. Look at what happened with Scotsburn in 2014 after they closed their plant in Sydney and ditched the Baxter name in Nova Scotia, and now they are doing the same with Baxter in closing the Saint John plant.
Mark Curan
Reply to @Jackie Barrett: Saputo doesnt owe SJ anything.
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Jackie Barrett: there word is never forever; just short term.
David Amos
Reply to @Jackie Barrett: Well put
Jamie Stephens
The dairy industry is dying and for good reason.
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Jamie Stephens: What is that?
Jamie Stephens
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Look up 'dairy is scary' and watch the first 5 minute video that comes up to see all you need to know.
David Amos
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Reply to @Jamie Stephens: Childbirth and rearing is a scary thing too but I am infinitely grateful that my Mother was not intimidated by it.David Amos
Reply to @Jamie Stephens: Oh My MY You can attack the farmers but I can't defend them Methinks thats not fair N'esy Pas?
Jamie Stephens
Reply to @David Amos: Not fair? Look at it from the perspective of the real victims here, the cows.
Terry Tibbs
Mr Trudeau and company have effectively thrown Canadian dairies, and Canadian dairy farmers, under the free trade bus with the agreement that they are just itching to sign.
Upon the expectation of cheaper US dairy product flooding the Canadian retail market I would expect the closure of the smaller, less profitable, dairies ALL across Canada, not limited solely to the dairy in Saint John.
So instead of blaming the folks, who likely paid too much when they bought that dairy, put the blame where it is due. The truth, sometimes, is a hard pill to swallow.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I concur
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I ask again if you truly care why not use your real name and run for public office?
Samuel Martin
Oh no, NB is going to become more broke....if that’s possible
David Amos
Reply to @Samuel Martin: YUP
Lou Bell
Northumberland is every bit as good as Baxters. Guess they get my business . Remember NB'ers , support your companies set up in NB !
Johnny Jakobs
Reply to @Lou Bell: ahhhhhh, pretty sure Northumberland got bought out by a company from Quebec
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs: you are 100% correct, Northumberland Dairy is owned by a conglomerate from Quebec and has been for at least 5 years.
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell:I know you have your reasons to support Northumberland but methinks its way past time for your nap N'esy Pas?
Winston Jones
Agropur is a co-operative, partly owned by dairy farmers in N.B. They would have angry farmer-owners to contend with if they tried to leave N.B. One of the benefits of the co-operative business model.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Winston Jones:
If Trudeau manages to ram NAFTA 2.0 through parliament they will be nothing but broke farmer-owners.
Time, after time, it's been proven, folks buy by price and with American milk on the shelf at half the price, or less, guess what?
If Trudeau manages to ram NAFTA 2.0 through parliament they will be nothing but broke farmer-owners.
Time, after time, it's been proven, folks buy by price and with American milk on the shelf at half the price, or less, guess what?
Jackie Barrett
Reply to @Winston Jones: The same with Bedford based Farmer's Dairy Cooperative, and their Mount Pearl based subsidiary, Central Dairies.
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: don't hold your breath waiting for so called "cheaper American milk" on our store shelves!
Trudeau won't have to 'ram NAFTA 2.0 through Parliament that is a given.
Trudeau won't have to 'ram NAFTA 2.0 through Parliament that is a given.
David Amos
Reply to @Wayne Wright: Methinks NAFTA 2.0 is a done deal as soon as the BLOC and their fellow Quebeckers are properly pacified with our taxpayer funds N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
Don't be so hasty. The dairy industry wields a big stick in Quebec, and the CONServatives usually stand behind farmers, leaving the Greens and NDP to support Mr Trudeau and NAFTA 2.0. Why do you think it hasn't been brought to vote yet?
Hopefully this might be the end of Mr Trudeau.
Don't be so hasty. The dairy industry wields a big stick in Quebec, and the CONServatives usually stand behind farmers, leaving the Greens and NDP to support Mr Trudeau and NAFTA 2.0. Why do you think it hasn't been brought to vote yet?
Hopefully this might be the end of Mr Trudeau.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks everybody knows that the Dairy Farmers have the most powerful lobby in Canada. The sneaky lawyer Maxime Bernier learned it the hard way. In Fundy Royal when his minions attacked me in R.B. Bennett's old stomping ground and then again in the High School in Quispamsis they and many others learned that i did not suffer fools lightly. However everybody also knows that Trump has a very big stick that he beats us up with on a daily basis. Hence he has already proven several times that the concerns of Canadian farmers mean less than nothing to that Yankee N'esy Pas?
Kevin Weddell
Saputo largely relies on American dairy for it's cheese production and other processed items.
David Amos
Reply to @Kevin Weddell: HMMMM
Peter Churcher
When they leave I will give my business to a NB dairy. They seem to think that jobs in NB don't matter to people. Northumberland anyone?
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Peter Churcher:
You say that now, but when confronted at the store with American milk at half the price, or less, I bet you may be thinking twice.
You say that now, but when confronted at the store with American milk at half the price, or less, I bet you may be thinking twice.
Buddy Best
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: When I think of JUSA milk all I see is the pus floating on top. I will drink tap water first and we all know that is poison.
David Amos
Reply to @Buddy Best: Not my tap water
Miles Gahan
This the type of thing that happens when a province allows Quebec to gobble up our business. The jobs will be harvested for Quebec. This is the 7 million dollar thank you from a billion dollar corporation after taking corporate welfare from people who struggle to buy milk. Trudeau has to go before he borrows all the money in the world to give to his closests friends,,, makes one wonder what he is getting out of giving so many billionaires hundreds of millions of hard working Canadians money. Use your head at the polls next time!! PLEASE
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Miles Gahan:
Not exactly. This is what happens when folks who have never worked for a living negotiate trade deals, and think nothing of allowing American milk in the country, to be sold alongside domestic product at half the price, or less.
Not exactly. This is what happens when folks who have never worked for a living negotiate trade deals, and think nothing of allowing American milk in the country, to be sold alongside domestic product at half the price, or less.
Marc Martin
Reply to @Miles Gahan: What does this have to do with Trudeau ?
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Martin: NAFTA 2.0
David Spenner
Keep in mind saputo still has a plant in Halifax. How many dairy plants do you need in the Maritimes? How many bread plants? The maritimes only has the population of a reasonably sized city.
Marzipan Wylier
Reply to @David Spenner: I take it you aren't from the maritimes then? Saint John and New Brunswick are not the same thing as Halifax. We have our own identity and we are proud of our own companies.
David Amos
Reply to @David Spenner: Which closer to NB Halifax or Quebec?
Marzipan Wylier
Reply to @David Spenner: That's probably the thought process they used in the Saputo board room, probably wouldn't dawn on them why New Brunswick would want our own dairy and bread plants. Probably think keeping one in the maritimes will keep us happy. More fool them if that's what they think.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Marzipan Wylier:
No, likely the *thought* in the boardroom is, if Trudeau rams NAFTA 2.0 through parliament the arse of this business is going to fall out fast, as it will allow American milk on Canadian shelves at half the price, or less. We HAVE to limit our exposure so the smaller operations that don't make a lot of profit have to go.
No, likely the *thought* in the boardroom is, if Trudeau rams NAFTA 2.0 through parliament the arse of this business is going to fall out fast, as it will allow American milk on Canadian shelves at half the price, or less. We HAVE to limit our exposure so the smaller operations that don't make a lot of profit have to go.
Buddy Best
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Everyone celebrating the fact that we have a "DEAL" without having a clue what that deal is. If we have learned anything from the first deal we would recollect that we were shafted. The people were left holding the bag. Corporate made off like bandits. I expect this will be, no doubt, much worse under Drunp
Wayne Wright
Reply to @David Amos: that depends where you live in NB! Edmundston & Campbellton closer to QC than Halifax. I not sure if the QC owned Northumberland Dairy is even still operating in Newcastle, NB.
Wayne Wright
Reply to @David Spenner: Bimbo Bread (formerly 'Canada Bread' but now Mexican owned) in Moncton produces so many brands of bread product including Wonder bread.
Marc Martin
Reply to @David Amos: Who cares
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Martin: You do
David Amos
Methinks the real question is will Northumberland Dairy stay in the Maritimes? Agropur could pull the same trick that Saputo just did N'esy Pas?
Marzipan Wylier
Reply to @David Amos: Canada is like an abusive spouse and New Brunswick is like an abused wife. They keep taking all of our businesses and moving things out of here and then turn around and tell us that we can't survive without them. Sick of the Maple leaf!
David Amos
Reply to @Marzipan Wylier: I Wholeheartedly Agree Remember what Maple did with our meat then some folks got way too sick?
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: Guess we just need to show our support and make that decision a non issue
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Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
They might not have much of a choice. If NAFTA 2.0 passes we will see American milk on our shelves at half the price of domestic product, or less. The dairy business in Canada will shrink faster than we do on a very cold day.
They might not have much of a choice. If NAFTA 2.0 passes we will see American milk on our shelves at half the price of domestic product, or less. The dairy business in Canada will shrink faster than we do on a very cold day.
Marc Martin
Reply to @David Amos: Cry me a river
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Who are you to try to give me advice?
David Amos
This time I truly am surprised
Shawn McShane
Reply to @David Amos: How so? Saputo added Carrageenan and other chemicals as a thickening agent to the dairy products. It doesn't taste the same or cook the same. In NB we are not allowed to bring in organic or competition from PEI or anywhere else. I tried.
David Amos
Reply to @Shawn McShane: Why buy a company to close it? Methinks they think like the Irving Clan does N'esy Pas?
Marzipan Wylier
Reply to @David Amos: It's all about moving a New Brunswick company, New Brunswick industry, New Brunswick jobs, and New Brunswick wealth to Canada. That's the way these Canadians see it. They think they own the country and places like New Brunswick, Alberta, and Saskatchewan exist only to feed the empire.
Shawn McShane
Reply to @David Amos: Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free.
David Amos
Reply to @Shawn McShane: Plus cheap Yankee moo juice is coming our way
Shawn McShane
Reply to @David Amos: We will get Yankee but we still won't get freedom.
David Amos
Reply to @Shawn McShane: Freedom is a state of mind that cannot be controlled by any state
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: When our Feds met me in a Yankee jail in October of 2004where I was being held under the charges of "other in solitary confinement with no bail they met a Free thinking. man. How many times did I run for public office in Canada since even after the RCMP falsely imprisoned me?
Methinks I have proven many times I am very serious about my personal freedom because it is nothing to joke about N'esy Pas?
Methinks I have proven many times I am very serious about my personal freedom because it is nothing to joke about N'esy Pas?
Brian Robertson
Of course they are.
We've come to expect this every time a business in Saint John is bought up by a larger, central Canadian company.
They close the local plant, increase production at a more central alternate facility, then truck the product back here, where once we produced it ourselves.
We've seen it with sugar, bread, beer, blood; and on and on.
Buy local whenever you can.
Stop this bean counter mentality that is dissecting a once prosperous city.
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Brian Robertson:
Right...Once prosperous when they bullied and got their way now they are bloated and filled with entitlement while being supported by the rest of NB. Truth is SJ is a failing me-too city with no initiative trying to recapture past glory by copying and duplicating others ...so try and convince people to pay more for inefficiency and waste and you will retire a wealthy man!
Right...Once prosperous when they bullied and got their way now they are bloated and filled with entitlement while being supported by the rest of NB. Truth is SJ is a failing me-too city with no initiative trying to recapture past glory by copying and duplicating others ...so try and convince people to pay more for inefficiency and waste and you will retire a wealthy man!
David Amos
Reply to @Brian Robertson: Don't forget our meat products
Marzipan Wylier
Reply to @Brian Robertson: This country is hurting Saint John and by extension all of New Brunswick. It's time people stopped worshipping the Maple Leaf which is a symbol of the very country that is oppressing us and grinding us down.
Matt Steele
Reply to @Marzipan Wylier: ....It is not just the Atlantic Provinces that are getting hurt as Justin Trudeau has destroyed the economy in Alberta as well . The Western Provinces are talking about Wexit , and leaving Canada .
Marzipan Wylier
Reply to @Matt Steele: I don't blame them. Ontario and Quebec think they have a right to rule this country. They forget that New Brunswick signed on as an equal in 1867. They only see New Brunswick, Alberta, and Saskatchewan as being useful to send money, jobs, industry to the 'motherland' of Canada, which they believe they own.
Marzipan Wylier
Reply to @Marzipan Wylier: Trudeau even said it on that tape when he said "Canada, it's ours"
Brian Robertson
Reply to @Marzipan Wylier:
There is no equality between Provinces.
You are deluding yourself if you think there is.
Central Canada has all the political weight to do what ever they want. The other 8 Provinces and 3 Territories are powerless to stop them.
There is no equality between Provinces.
You are deluding yourself if you think there is.
Central Canada has all the political weight to do what ever they want. The other 8 Provinces and 3 Territories are powerless to stop them.
Derrick Mitchel
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: What is your preoccupation with beating up on Saint John? Mr Brewer is, in fact, correct with respect to tax dollars paid by Saint John it is you who is wrong! SJ has propped the rest of this province up for decades with the property tax generated. As far as debt goes Moncton isn't too far behind Saint John. By the way, it was the tax payers of NB that paid for that shiny new stadium in Moncton.
Buddy Best
Reply to @Marzipan Wylier: We are victims of corporate greed and their political flunkies not the country itself.
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Brian Robertson: one of the main reasons there is limited employment opportunities in PNB!!
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Derrick Mitchell: as did NBers for Harbour Station - remember that was shiny new once upon a time! Propped up? Every nook & cranky in this province has propped up Saint John and local politicians keep making thing worse for the once 'engine' of this province. I don't feel sorry for SJ but I do for Northern NB.
Matt Steele
Sad to see the loss of jobs ; the best of luck to the employees and their families who will be affected by this closure .
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Matt Steele:
waiting for you to blame francophones for the 42% drop in earnings....
waiting for you to blame francophones for the 42% drop in earnings....
Matt Steele
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: .....It was a decision made by Corporate Headquarters in Quebec , so draw your own conclusions as to why earnings dropped by 42% after being taken over by a Quebec company
Buddy Best
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: You cannot remove the connection as remote as you would like it to be. It is all part and parcel of the same problem. Fewer consumers buy less dairy (and other consumer goods). Why are we loosing our born and raised like someone yelled fire in a theatre? Funny you seem to be they only one looking to point fingers. United we stand. It appears the governments want us anything but united.
Marc Martin
Reply to @Matt Steele: the Saputo are not French.
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Marc Martin: but they are another Quebec-based company regardless of their mother tongue.
David Amos
Reply to @Buddy Best: Methinks its a wicked game wealthy people play with our children's future N'esy Pas?
Steve Ryan
Saputo has been doing this across Canada. They are far from being the best corporate citizens.
Cleve Gallant
Reply to @Steve Ryan: What do you expect from a Quebec company?
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Cleve Gallant:
What do you expect when they are constantly vilified here???? Why would they care one bit about people in another province who hate them because the speak a different language???? If you want good neighbours then be neighbourly
What do you expect when they are constantly vilified here???? Why would they care one bit about people in another province who hate them because the speak a different language???? If you want good neighbours then be neighbourly
David Amos
Reply to @Steve Ryan: Hmmm
Buddy Best
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: "...... be neighbourly"? With Quebec? You are a funny guy Lewis?
"...... être voisin"? Avec le Québec? Tu es un drôle de gars Lewis?
"...... être voisin"? Avec le Québec? Tu es un drôle de gars Lewis?
Michael Levesque
at $7 for 4 liters of milk in NB i have not bought milk here over 10 years. there should be a police investigation into that kind of price fixing. hopefully someone will buy it and sell cheaper milk
Steve Ryan
Reply to @michael levesque:
Part of the high cost of milk and other dairy products is due to protective measures by the feds.
Part of the high cost of milk and other dairy products is due to protective measures by the feds.
David Spenner
Reply to @michael levesque: The province of NB has minimum price laws for milk. Farmer’s want a lower store price because they would sell more milk. I think it’s to protect sobey’s, etc. Seems ridiculous.
Michael Levesque
Reply to @Steve Ryan: yes i know that Farms Product Commission is like the mafia.
David Amos
Reply to @michael levesque: Who should care where you buy your milk other than greedy Yankees?
Ferdinand Boudreau
I could see this one coming , the minute they bought out Baxter, in was in the plan.
Not what happened to NB dairy farmers who are protected by the Mild board?
David Amos
Reply to @Ferdinand Boudreau: Methinks they would like to think so but the farmers should never forget Trudeau the Younger's deals with TPP and NAFTA 2.0 N'esy Pas?
James Risdon
Does this mean there is now an opportunity to open a new dairy - or expand an existing one - in New Brunswick?
Andrew Clarkson
Reply to @James Risdon:
As long as ACOA or ONB will give them millions upon millions of tax payer dollars!
As long as ACOA or ONB will give them millions upon millions of tax payer dollars!
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @James Risdon:
with 42% drop in earnings...you can come up with a viable business plan??
with 42% drop in earnings...you can come up with a viable business plan??
David Amos
Reply to @James Risdon: Dream on
Ray Bungay
I shop a lot at Costco especially meats, dairy and fruit. Last fall was in the store bought Baxter milk and Sussex brand butter. Exactly one week later all products Baxter or Sussex in dairy were replaced with Northtumberlsnd brands as well as a brand of butter from Ontario. So even then Costco either knew this was happening or speculated a change was coming.
Johnny Jakobs
Reply to @Ray Bungay: maybe that's why they dropped 42%.
Ray Bungay
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs: Don’t think that is the whole reason. The retail cost of Baxter milk was $6.61 4L bag and after the switch, Northumberland was the same price. Sobeys stores have stead fast refused to match Costco prices on dairy but Walmart and SuperStore always has. Today the price is $6.84 after the marketing board upped its prices.so why pay well over $7.00 for the same product at Sobeys. I shop got the best price and if that means Costco so be it.
Michel Jones
Reply to @Ray Bungay: I pay $7.49 for 4 liters of milk in the Campbellton/Dalhousie area... Been like that for a while.
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs: Good point
David Spenner
Reply to @Ray Bungay: Costco negotiates a new dairy ( as well as others) every 6 months or so. Lowest price wins. Saputo could be back in a few months again.
Dwight Mullover
No surprise really. A big Quebec company buys a New Brunswick company and then shuts it down. Its sad really. I remember in the 60s and 70s there were 4 dairies in Fredericton alone; General Dairy, Thistle Dairy, Evans Dairy, and Coop Dairy. The bread company in Woodstock was bought out by Canada Bread and its closed as well. If you wonder why we are paying so much for food its is because there's little to no competition in most industries now and our governments have allow this happen. No wonder there are so few jobs left in New Brunswick. Solution for you is do not buy Baxter milk or Saputo Cheese.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Dwight Mullover: What brands of milk and cheese are produced in New Brunswick by companies that are still New Brunswick-owned?
Mike Morton
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Northumberland
Geoff Anderson
Reply to @Mike Morton: Not any more. Northumberland sold to Quebec-based Agropur in 2014.
Reply to @Dwight Mullover:
"our governments" have and will again give these guys millions upon millions upon millions of tax payers dollars!
"our governments" have and will again give these guys millions upon millions upon millions of tax payers dollars!
Ray Bungay
Reply to @Mike Morton: No it was bought out 2 years ago by another large Quebec dairy.
John Grail
Reply to @Dwight Mullover: I don't buy any dairy products, so already done!
Ray Bungay
Reply to @Mike Morton: Northumberland Dairy plans to sell to Quebec company
Co-operative reaches tentative agreement with Agropur after more than 70 years in New Brunswick
CBC News · Posted: Jul 14, 2014 3:24 PM AT | Last Updated: July 14, 2014
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/northumberland-dairy-plans-to-sell-to-quebec-company-1.2706551
Co-operative reaches tentative agreement with Agropur after more than 70 years in New Brunswick
CBC News · Posted: Jul 14, 2014 3:24 PM AT | Last Updated: July 14, 2014
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/northumberland-dairy-plans-to-sell-to-quebec-company-1.2706551
Jeff Leblanc
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Northumberland if I'm not mistaken. Coop of local farmers isn't it?
Jeff Leblanc
Reply to @Geoff Anderson: didn't know that...sad to hear
Roy Nicholl
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
There was a goat's milk dairy in the north of the province ... cannot recall the name at the moment and do not know of they are still in business.
There was a goat's milk dairy in the north of the province ... cannot recall the name at the moment and do not know of they are still in business.
Jim Cyr
Reply to @Dwight Mullover: Dwight, here in northern Maine, we have one small, local dairy left (Houlton Farms Dairy). They have been around for at least 75 years. They do ice cream, dairy, and have ice cream stands in the summer. I ALWAYS buy their products, even though they cost 5-10% more than the crap that is shipped here from Texas or California, or god knows where. Partly for quality, partly to support local business and farmers. BUT..........how many of my neighbors do you suppose follow my lead?? Not that many!! I see them parading out of the store with their cheap, Big Dairy crap all day long. And then, my neighbors will have the gall to complain about "Big Dairy" and "the Government", and other evil villains, should HFD ever have to close. We have met the enemy, and it is us...........
Jim Cyr
Reply to @Jim Cyr: Oh, and they also do the best lemonade you will ever have!! (Spring through fall.....)
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Dwight Mullover:
We are so pathetic that we are ripe for these type of takeovers. Don't blame others. Racism is not a sound economic development strategy.
We are so pathetic that we are ripe for these type of takeovers. Don't blame others. Racism is not a sound economic development strategy.
Buddy Best
Reply to @Dwight Mullover: Back in 1986 Quebecor bought out Barnes Hopkins print company just to pic up NB Phone books. In the process they crippled the other companies in the process. Once that was done they moved on after getting a sweet heart million dollar deal from the feds.
Derrick Mitchell
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: French is not a race!
David Amos
Reply to @Derrick Mitchell: Methinks SANB would like you to think that it is N'esy Pas?
John Grail
Good riddance.
David Amos
Reply to @John Grail: Why?
Fred Brewer
This is why I don't like large corporation takeovers of local businesses. Sometimes I suspect their primary motivation is to buy the business with the goal of shutting it down to effectively eliminate a competitor. Look what happened to our potash mines. The list is endless.
Saputo will now supply our area from a plant in ON or QC. We suffer the job losses and in return we will get less shelf life on their products due to transportation time.
Dwight Mullover
Reply to @Fred Brewer: I agree and we lose the jobs.
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Dwight Mullover: The government could put a stop to this but they won't at the provincial level and they won't at the federal level. There is a national interest to keep at least a solid majority of our companies Canadian owned, but our fearless governments always approve of mega-takeovers of our best and largest companies.
It will not end well. Someday we will wake up and virtually all of our companies will be owned and run by other countries. What then?
It will not end well. Someday we will wake up and virtually all of our companies will be owned and run by other countries. What then?
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Fred Brewer:
I suspect you are about 10 years too late with your concerns.
I suspect you are about 10 years too late with your concerns.
Ray Bungay
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Today the business world is Global. Either local well known businesses get bought out or the have so much pressure to compete they either go bankrupt and/or out of business because the dsn’t compete. Under the hewvfree trade deal USA milk snd cheese could ge on sale here and you know with income pressures here US dairy will sell because it will be chesper not because it is a better product because it is not
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Lewis Taylor:
*wins
*wins
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: I don't think this has anything to do with fringe groups or racism. It is pure corporate greed and our governments are allowing and even condoning it. There should be some measure of protection for local businesses because they create long-term steady jobs but once a corporation swallows them up the business that had survived for a hundred years is suddenly closed and product gets shipped in from thousands of miles away. The government needs to put a stop to it. It is hurting our economy and it is harmful to the environment
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Bungay: Methinks we are just pawns in a big big game We are exactly what the greedy CEO and their beancounters call us call us "consumers" When they make dealsand eliminate the competition they control the price of things and it never goes down The Irving Clan plays the monopoly game quite well N'esy Pas?
Buddy Best
Reply to @Fred Brewer: When Quebecor moved in they started stealing key staff from competitors and buying out small print and graphic artists. They applied for and got large loans from the government they didn't need to buy equipment. Another print company applied for and got a loan to keep up they couldn't repay because they lost key staff. Long time companies being swallowed up by internationals and then moving on to produce else where for sale here. Irving like them.
Buddy Best
Reply to @Fred Brewer: 2016 high rollers now control more wealth than 4.6B of us. Won't be long now. 1000 will control us all and we will have absolutely no say in our lives.
Buddy Best
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I honestly believe you are right Terry. We have no say now. Tweedledee or Tweedledum at all levels of government working for their corporate friends. We could scream until we turned blue and it would do no good. Not that we would because we are pathetic shee ple
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Terry Tibbs:
" I suspect you are about 10 years too late with your concerns. "
Actually I have had these concerns for at least the past 20 years or more. But what can we do about it? I think the only option is to try voting a different colour next election. In my view things simply cannot get worse.
" I suspect you are about 10 years too late with your concerns. "
Actually I have had these concerns for at least the past 20 years or more. But what can we do about it? I think the only option is to try voting a different colour next election. In my view things simply cannot get worse.
Buddy Best
Reply to @Fred Brewer: 911 was an eye-opener in more ways then one. How could a government do that to their own people and worse how did so many governments supported it and the aftermath.
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Fred Brewer: voting a different 'colour' will not stop these business dealings. 30 yrs ago a friend in the meat field predicted this was going to happen in our food chain from producers to suppliers to Grocery chains; little independent ops were going, the future is upon us. So yes there is still room for more of this so called consolidation process!
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Buddy Best: a government can't stop these companies from doing this stuff!
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Wayne Wright: Absolutely right. Protectionism is a fact of life. Need I remind folks that it is illegal to bring beer across an provincial boundary? This was upheld by the Supreme Court of Canada. Why not do the same for milk and bread?