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Methinks it didn't take their buddies in VIAFOURA long to cover CBC's nasty arse N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/01/nb-power-could-energize-electric-car.html
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-power-electric-vehicle-fast-charging-stations-report-1.5417102
· CBC News· Posted: Jan 07, 2020 5:00 AM AT
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Milda Titford and her husband, Aidan, own one of about 320 electric cars in New Brunswick after buying a Tesla the week before Christmas. Forecasters predict thousands of New Brunswick drivers will join them in the next few years. (Milda Titford/Submitted)
NB Power could significantly accelerate the sputtering adoption of electric vehicles in New Brunswick — and unlock significant new revenues for itself — by spending $20 million to install more fast-charging stations around the province, according to a new report commissioned by the utility and filed with the Energy and Utilities Board.
"Further investments by NB Power in public charging infrastructure will significantly increase EV [electric vehicle] uptake, load growth and associated revenues to NB Power," concludes the report by Montreal-based Dunsky Energy Consulting.
Electric vehicles are still a rarity in New Brunswick, with fewer than 350 registered in the province. But widespread public adoption of the vehicles is coming, according to Dunsky — a lucrative development for NB Power, it says, could be made faster and larger with the right nudge from the utility.
Electric vehicles are seen as an important future source of revenue for NB Power not just because of the power they will consume but because of when they will consume it. Electric cars are often charged by owners at home overnight during times when NB Power has a surplus of low-cost energy to sell.
Milda Titford and her husband, Aidan, took possession of a new Tesla Model 3 in Fredericton just before Christmas, part of the trickle of consumers who have made the switch so far in New Brunswick.
"There was an ecological aspect and, yes, of course you're saving on gas," said Titford.
"We really love it."
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Tesla has installed some charging stations in New Brunswick, but an NB Power consultant says the utility will have to spend $20 million of its own money to build the full charging infrastructure needed to maximize electric car sales over the next 15 years. (Don Campbell/The Herald-Palladium/Canadian Press/AP)
According to Dunsky, thousands of New Brunswick consumers will soon be joining Titford.
It projects 10,000 electric vehicles in New Brunswick within five years, 20,000 within seven years and up to 80,000 by 2034, if the market is left to grow on its own and various assumptions about that growth holds true over time.
But it says NB Power could trigger a near doubling of that 2034 number to 156,000 electric vehicles if it installed more fast-charging stations in both populated and underserviced areas around New Brunswick.
"Our modelling shows that ongoing growth in the EV population within NB will drive an ongoing need for expansion of this infrastructure to avoid congestion and to ensure full geographical coverage across the province."
Fast-charging ports are 10 times more expensive to install than more common Level 2 car chargers but can provide enough power for an electric vehicle to travel 100 kilometres in just 10 minutes.
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The Titfords generally charge their new electric car overnight in the driveway from their house. Overnight charging — when low-cost electricity from NB Power is most plentiful — is what makes electric vehicles potentially so lucrative for the utility. (Milda Titford/Submitted)
New Brunswick currently has 141 electric car charging stations with 184 outlets installed by a variety of public and private sector interests around the province. But only 33 of those stations are fast-charging.
Dunsky says adding 80 new fast charging locations with 200 more outlets to plug into would cost $20 million but pay major dividends for the utility.
It argues the stations would fill enough gaps in infrastructure to encourage New Brunswick consumers to buy up to an extra 76,000 electric vehicles than currently expected by 2034 and that would generate up to $108 million in extra income for NB Power after expenses over the next two decades.
"The increase in revenue due to beneficial load growth more than offsets the increased costs associated with these investments and the cost of servicing the EV (electric vehicle) load," says the report.
NB Power has clashed with the Energy and Utilities Board over the appropriateness of using public money to install charging stations in the past and in 2018 was ordered to stop spending money on the infrastructure.
"Developing these stations requires considerable up-front investment," said the EUB in disallowing a plan by NB Power to spend $1.3 million on expanding its network at the time.
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NB Power has installed a number of electric vehicle charging stations around New Brunswick, like this one at Magnetic Hill opened by former Finance Minister Cathy Rogers in 2017. The EUB found the stations to be outside of NB Power's core business and told it not to spend ratepayers money on them. (CBC)
"EV [electric vehicle] charging stations are not within the core business of NB Power and are already provided by the private sector, without any ratepayer investment. Without a convincing business case, NB Power should not be expanding this program."
The Dunsky report does provide a business case and contends privately funded charging stations in New Brunswick will be insufficient in future years to trigger significant new growth in electric vehicle sales NB Power investments could.
The utility did not immediately respond to a request for comment about whether it plans to use the report to revisit the issue with the EUB.
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Steve Cohen
Every piece of PR drivel that will come out of NB Power for the next 4 months - until Gaetan Thomas retires - will be meant to put a positive spin on the negative JOI story, in an attempt to save Thomas' legacy. As someone already mentioned, it's like Thomas and the Board have ADD. Why would they continue to push an idea the EUB has already determined is outside their mandate? And that's obvious if you read The Electric Power Act. Dunsky states, "Our modelling shows that ongoing growth in the EV population . . .", but they can't model that with any degree of accuracy! And yes, Dunsky is in NB Power's back pocket. Lastly, if EVs do become significant, when are the Federal and Provincial governments going to figure out and impose a method to recoup the lost gas taxes that are used for highway maintenance. EVs cannot not contribute.
David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos
Methinks NB Power tried to pull another fast one and filed the Dunsky report within the "Not So Smart" Meter matter not long before the hearing was slated to begin.My friend Roger Richard noticed it and ask about it yesterday during the hearing of his motion. Then Mr Jones ran this story today N'esy Pas?
Here is the relevant portion of the transcript from yesterday
NEW BRUNSWICK ENERGY and UTILITIES BOARD
Matter 452
IN THE MATTER OF an application by New Brunswick Power Corporation for approval of Advanced Metering Infrastructure capital project
Held at the Board Premises, Saint John, N.B. on January 9 6th 2020.
Page 66
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Si vous avez des questions relativement à cette
semaine, je vous incite d’avoir une discussion avec Maître Black ou
Maître Desmond relativement à la procédure pour vous aider à
présenter votre cas.
DR. RICHARD: Oui. Parfait. Merci.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Est-ce que vous avez d’autres questions relativement
à votre motion?
DR. RICHARD: J’en avais une, mais je n’ai pas mentionné dans ma
motion. It is about the two documents, 10.01 and 11.01.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Vous avez dit 10.01 et puis…
DR. RICHARD: 11.01.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Et votre question est?
DR. RICHARD: Est-ce qu’on peut questionner ses documents là à une
moment donner?
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Ce sont des documents Dr Richard qui ont été
déposées en preuve, donc c’est dans votre droit de questionnée
aucun document qui a été déposée en preuve.
Si vous avez des questions a posé relativement au panel qui va être
présenté par Énergie Nouveau-Brunswick relativement à cet rapport,
oui vous avez le droit de la 3 questionner le rapport.
David Raymond Amos
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Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Page 67
VICE-CHAIRMAN: So, Mr. Furey, 10.01 and 11.01, are these both documents that have been filed by Mr. Dunsky? And I don’t have the list of exhibits before me so --
MR. FUREY: Yes. 10.01, I think just from seeing it flash on the screen, is the solar study. And 11.01 is the electric vehicle forecast study.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: So the question that Dr. Richard had is, is he able to ask any questions. And I told him depending on which panel that you will be presenting, which I think it will be Mr. Dunsky, that he has a right to question Mr. Dunsky based on the two reports that is before the Board.
MR. FUREY: Yes. And I just want to say, Mr. Vice-Chair, that we sort of debated internally. We felt we had an obligation to file these because when we looked at the interrogatories, some of the responses were that these were still in process. And in one case I think we had expressly indicated we would file it when ready. And the other I think we were silent. I think on the electric vehicles we were silent on that point. So, you know, some people could see this as new evidence and -- but we felt that we had at least an obligation to file it and if people want to raise those issues. But certainly if the Board wants to provide us for direction for the future, we would appreciate that. We felt we had an obligation to file it in this case but I can see 9 where people might suggest that there is new evidence and -- but clearly --
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Well there was one suggestion that it was new evidence and I think that Dr. Richard essentially had a concern regarding that. But I think right now based on your comment -- and I will ask him the question afterwards if he is satisfied with the answer that he has received.
Terry Tibbs
No, simply no.
If "Consultant’s report says long-term revenue much higher than upfront infrastructure costs" is to be believed, then the perfect case has been made for private investment, rather than public investment.
Because we all know, when public funds are involved, most things go horribly wrong.
David Raymond Amos
Steve Gordon
If there were 156000 EVs as NBPower predicts and they all charge at night, then night time will no longer be a "low demand" period.
David Raymond Amos
Paul Bourgoin
Electric Cars are here stay! So why not start now to replace dirty gasoline energy while generating a cleaner environment for our children. Or are there any outside pressures on government to slow down the clean energy entry? Government can't stop progress for a cleaner environment!
David Raymond Amos
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos@Kathryn98967631 and 49 others
Methinks it didn't take their buddies in VIAFOURA long to cover CBC's nasty arse N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/01/nb-power-could-energize-electric-car.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-power-electric-vehicle-fast-charging-stations-report-1.5417102
NB Power could energize electric car sales for $20M
Consultant’s report says long-term revenue much higher than upfront infrastructure costs
· CBC News· Posted: Jan 07, 2020 5:00 AM AT
Milda Titford and her husband, Aidan, own one of about 320 electric cars in New Brunswick after buying a Tesla the week before Christmas. Forecasters predict thousands of New Brunswick drivers will join them in the next few years. (Milda Titford/Submitted)
NB Power could significantly accelerate the sputtering adoption of electric vehicles in New Brunswick — and unlock significant new revenues for itself — by spending $20 million to install more fast-charging stations around the province, according to a new report commissioned by the utility and filed with the Energy and Utilities Board.
"Further investments by NB Power in public charging infrastructure will significantly increase EV [electric vehicle] uptake, load growth and associated revenues to NB Power," concludes the report by Montreal-based Dunsky Energy Consulting.
Electric vehicles are still a rarity in New Brunswick, with fewer than 350 registered in the province. But widespread public adoption of the vehicles is coming, according to Dunsky — a lucrative development for NB Power, it says, could be made faster and larger with the right nudge from the utility.
Electric vehicles are seen as an important future source of revenue for NB Power not just because of the power they will consume but because of when they will consume it. Electric cars are often charged by owners at home overnight during times when NB Power has a surplus of low-cost energy to sell.
"Direct investments in infrastructure deployment by NB Power can drive significant additional value to the utility and to rate payers." Dunsky concludes.
Milda Titford and her husband, Aidan, took possession of a new Tesla Model 3 in Fredericton just before Christmas, part of the trickle of consumers who have made the switch so far in New Brunswick.
"There was an ecological aspect and, yes, of course you're saving on gas," said Titford.
"We really love it."
Tesla has installed some charging stations in New Brunswick, but an NB Power consultant says the utility will have to spend $20 million of its own money to build the full charging infrastructure needed to maximize electric car sales over the next 15 years. (Don Campbell/The Herald-Palladium/Canadian Press/AP)
According to Dunsky, thousands of New Brunswick consumers will soon be joining Titford.
It projects 10,000 electric vehicles in New Brunswick within five years, 20,000 within seven years and up to 80,000 by 2034, if the market is left to grow on its own and various assumptions about that growth holds true over time.
But it says NB Power could trigger a near doubling of that 2034 number to 156,000 electric vehicles if it installed more fast-charging stations in both populated and underserviced areas around New Brunswick.
"Our modelling shows that ongoing growth in the EV population within NB will drive an ongoing need for expansion of this infrastructure to avoid congestion and to ensure full geographical coverage across the province."
Fast-charging ports are 10 times more expensive to install than more common Level 2 car chargers but can provide enough power for an electric vehicle to travel 100 kilometres in just 10 minutes.
The Titfords generally charge their new electric car overnight in the driveway from their house. Overnight charging — when low-cost electricity from NB Power is most plentiful — is what makes electric vehicles potentially so lucrative for the utility. (Milda Titford/Submitted)
New Brunswick currently has 141 electric car charging stations with 184 outlets installed by a variety of public and private sector interests around the province. But only 33 of those stations are fast-charging.
Dunsky says adding 80 new fast charging locations with 200 more outlets to plug into would cost $20 million but pay major dividends for the utility.
It argues the stations would fill enough gaps in infrastructure to encourage New Brunswick consumers to buy up to an extra 76,000 electric vehicles than currently expected by 2034 and that would generate up to $108 million in extra income for NB Power after expenses over the next two decades.
"The increase in revenue due to beneficial load growth more than offsets the increased costs associated with these investments and the cost of servicing the EV (electric vehicle) load," says the report.
NB Power has clashed with the Energy and Utilities Board over the appropriateness of using public money to install charging stations in the past and in 2018 was ordered to stop spending money on the infrastructure.
"Developing these stations requires considerable up-front investment," said the EUB in disallowing a plan by NB Power to spend $1.3 million on expanding its network at the time.
NB Power has installed a number of electric vehicle charging stations around New Brunswick, like this one at Magnetic Hill opened by former Finance Minister Cathy Rogers in 2017. The EUB found the stations to be outside of NB Power's core business and told it not to spend ratepayers money on them. (CBC)
"EV [electric vehicle] charging stations are not within the core business of NB Power and are already provided by the private sector, without any ratepayer investment. Without a convincing business case, NB Power should not be expanding this program."
The Dunsky report does provide a business case and contends privately funded charging stations in New Brunswick will be insufficient in future years to trigger significant new growth in electric vehicle sales NB Power investments could.
The utility did not immediately respond to a request for comment about whether it plans to use the report to revisit the issue with the EUB.
100 Comments
Steve Cohen
Every piece of PR drivel that will come out of NB Power for the next 4 months - until Gaetan Thomas retires - will be meant to put a positive spin on the negative JOI story, in an attempt to save Thomas' legacy. As someone already mentioned, it's like Thomas and the Board have ADD. Why would they continue to push an idea the EUB has already determined is outside their mandate? And that's obvious if you read The Electric Power Act. Dunsky states, "Our modelling shows that ongoing growth in the EV population . . .", but they can't model that with any degree of accuracy! And yes, Dunsky is in NB Power's back pocket. Lastly, if EVs do become significant, when are the Federal and Provincial governments going to figure out and impose a method to recoup the lost gas taxes that are used for highway maintenance. EVs cannot not contribute.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Steve Cohen: Lest we forget the Round 2 EUB Hearing for the "Not So Smart" Meters begins next week
David Raymond Amos
Methinks NB Power tried to pull another fast one and filed the Dunsky report within the "Not So Smart" Meter matter not long before the hearing was slated to begin.My friend Roger Richard noticed it and ask about it yesterday during the hearing of his motion. Then Mr Jones ran this story today N'esy Pas?
Here is the relevant portion of the transcript from yesterday
NEW BRUNSWICK ENERGY and UTILITIES BOARD
Matter 452
IN THE MATTER OF an application by New Brunswick Power Corporation for approval of Advanced Metering Infrastructure capital project
Held at the Board Premises, Saint John, N.B. on January 9 6th 2020.
Page 66
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Si vous avez des questions relativement à cette
semaine, je vous incite d’avoir une discussion avec Maître Black ou
Maître Desmond relativement à la procédure pour vous aider à
présenter votre cas.
DR. RICHARD: Oui. Parfait. Merci.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Est-ce que vous avez d’autres questions relativement
à votre motion?
DR. RICHARD: J’en avais une, mais je n’ai pas mentionné dans ma
motion. It is about the two documents, 10.01 and 11.01.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Vous avez dit 10.01 et puis…
DR. RICHARD: 11.01.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Et votre question est?
DR. RICHARD: Est-ce qu’on peut questionner ses documents là à une
moment donner?
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Ce sont des documents Dr Richard qui ont été
déposées en preuve, donc c’est dans votre droit de questionnée
aucun document qui a été déposée en preuve.
Si vous avez des questions a posé relativement au panel qui va être
présenté par Énergie Nouveau-Brunswick relativement à cet rapport,
oui vous avez le droit de la 3 questionner le rapport.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: "The utility did not immediately respond to a request for comment about whether it plans to use the report to revisit the issue with the EUB."
YEA RIGHT
YEA RIGHT
David Raymond Amos
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Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Page 67
VICE-CHAIRMAN: So, Mr. Furey, 10.01 and 11.01, are these both documents that have been filed by Mr. Dunsky? And I don’t have the list of exhibits before me so --
MR. FUREY: Yes. 10.01, I think just from seeing it flash on the screen, is the solar study. And 11.01 is the electric vehicle forecast study.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: So the question that Dr. Richard had is, is he able to ask any questions. And I told him depending on which panel that you will be presenting, which I think it will be Mr. Dunsky, that he has a right to question Mr. Dunsky based on the two reports that is before the Board.
MR. FUREY: Yes. And I just want to say, Mr. Vice-Chair, that we sort of debated internally. We felt we had an obligation to file these because when we looked at the interrogatories, some of the responses were that these were still in process. And in one case I think we had expressly indicated we would file it when ready. And the other I think we were silent. I think on the electric vehicles we were silent on that point. So, you know, some people could see this as new evidence and -- but we felt that we had at least an obligation to file it and if people want to raise those issues. But certainly if the Board wants to provide us for direction for the future, we would appreciate that. We felt we had an obligation to file it in this case but I can see 9 where people might suggest that there is new evidence and -- but clearly --
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Well there was one suggestion that it was new evidence and I think that Dr. Richard essentially had a concern regarding that. But I think right now based on your comment -- and I will ask him the question afterwards if he is satisfied with the answer that he has received.
Terry Tibbs
No, simply no.
If "Consultant’s report says long-term revenue much higher than upfront infrastructure costs" is to be believed, then the perfect case has been made for private investment, rather than public investment.
Because we all know, when public funds are involved, most things go horribly wrong.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks the EUB already told them that but NB Power wants what it wants and the Dunsky Energy Consultant dudes.will say anything to keep their clients Happy Happy Happy N'esy Pas?
Steve Gordon
If there were 156000 EVs as NBPower predicts and they all charge at night, then night time will no longer be a "low demand" period.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Steve Gordon: Thanks for the idea. Methinks Mr Jones no doubt understands I should point that out during the long delayed hearing of the EUB 357 Matter whenever they settle the "Not So Smart" Meter issue once and for all N'esy Pas?
EUB punts rate hearing as NB Power studies $122M smart meter plan
EUB agrees to suspend hearing so it can deal first with NB Power's proposed $122M purchase of smart meters
Robert Jones · Posted: Sep 26, 2017 6:00 AM AT
EUB punts rate hearing as NB Power studies $122M smart meter plan
EUB agrees to suspend hearing so it can deal first with NB Power's proposed $122M purchase of smart meters
Robert Jones · Posted: Sep 26, 2017 6:00 AM AT
Paul Bourgoin
Electric Cars are here stay! So why not start now to replace dirty gasoline energy while generating a cleaner environment for our children. Or are there any outside pressures on government to slow down the clean energy entry? Government can't stop progress for a cleaner environment!
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Paul Bourgoin: My son bought a Tesla late last year and he likes it so far but I don't plan to replace my dirty old truck anytime soon. Its as old as I am
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Paul Bourgoin: How much are we paying for the dirty coal and the old Nuke plant that NB Power charges cars with? BTW Both my son and my truck are in the USA.