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I don't know what you're point is. The number of seats doesn't reflect voter support. We've had lots of majority governments without majority support. This time we might get a majority government from a party that polls even fewer votes than second place finisher in terms of seats.
That 2/3 reference was because the PCs are polling around 34-35% right now so almost 2/3 of the electorate support left leaning parties. The difference in policies between the Greens, NDP and Liberal aren't enough that anyone attracted to any of those parties would consider the others radical. The Conservatives by comparison are way out in right field compared to the other parties who would likely see the PCs as radical.
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Following relentless criticism from his rivals, PC Leader Doug Ford and his team posted a campaign platform overnight that does not include a fiscal outlook or any details of how the PCs would pay for their promises. (Geoff Robins/Canadian Press)
After months of promising to release a fully costed campaign platform, the Progressive Conservatives have published an online list of promises that doesn't include a detailed fiscal plan.
Overnight on Tuesday, the PCs quietly revised their campaign website to include "For The People: A Plan for Ontario."
In the document, the PCs reiterate a number of promises already laid out by their leader, Doug Ford, including a pledge to cut taxes for the middle income bracket and businesses, reduce the price of gasoline by 10 cents per litre. They also promise hundreds of millions of dollars for various infrastructure projects.
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Rob Silver, Olivia Chow, and Kate Harrison break down the latest Ontario election news. 10:26 When asked whether the document was the party's final plan, Ford's spokeswoman Melissa Lantsman said in an email: "Correct. This is our plan. Costing of each promise included.
"We've been talking about our plan every day and it's all there in one spot to show Ontario voters the stark choice between a responsible and modest spending of a PC government and a radical NDP who will be disastrous for the people of Ontario," she said.
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Ontario NDP Leader Andrea Horwath has said that the PCs are disrepecting voters by not publishing a fully costed campaign platform. (Nathan Denette/Canadian Press) "We are going to balance the budget in a responsible way."
Ford and his campaign team have repeatedly promised to publish a fully costed platform before election day. Back in March, when the Liberals released their 2018 budget — which formed the backbone of their own platform — Ford criticized the Liberals for putting forward figures he characterized as shoddy.
"And we have a solid platform that is fully costed. That's the difference. Ours will be fully costed, theirs isn't fully costed."
Ford has frequently touted his business experience on the campaign trail and his dedication to fiscal responsibility. During the last televised leaders' debate earlier this week, NDP Leader Andrea Horwath said Ford was disrespecting voters by failing to publish a costed platform.
Both Horwath and Liberal Leader Kathleen Wynne heaped scorn on the notion that Ford had released a full plan Wednesday.
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Ontario Liberal Leader Kathleen Wynne says there are billions of dollars in spending unaccounted for in the PC plan. (Nathan Denette/Canadian Press) "Look: This is not a fully costed plan, it's not coherent," Wynne said at a stop in Markham, Ont., where she pushed her government's transit record. "All of the things that Doug Ford has said would add up to a $40-billion hole and they have no idea how they would find that."
Horwath was equally incredulous, saying it wasn't good enough for Ford to write a "list of things he might do and put it on the internet."
People should know what Ford's plans are, what he's going to cut and what services might be at risk, the NDP leader said.
"His list of things-to-do that he put on his website is not going to help people to decide which way to vote and what's their best interest in this campaign," Horwath said.
"What's worrisome is we have a leader who's trying to take the chair of the premier in this province and he's not being honest with people."
Doug Ford's PCs reveal 'final' campaign platform that has no fiscal outlook
Ford campaign spokesperson says no further financial details are coming before June 7
Comments
Peter Stemkowski
And this is the party that scoffs at the NDP as inept? Seriously?
Tony Hill
@Peter Stemkowski
The sad thing is that the NDP are inept, but they might be the least inept of three parties. Other than a few extreme partisans I think most people looking at the Ontario NDP in isolation would state that this group has absolutely no business forming government.
Unfortunately if one were to look at the Ontario Liberals they almost all say that this group has absolutely no business remaining as the government, and if they were to look at the PCs, and particularly Doug Ford, they would say that this group and individual have absolutely no business forming government or being premier.
Elections often end up with a set of poor options to choose from, but this Ontario election is setting an all-time low for the abysmal quality of all candidates on offer.
The sad thing is that the NDP are inept, but they might be the least inept of three parties. Other than a few extreme partisans I think most people looking at the Ontario NDP in isolation would state that this group has absolutely no business forming government.
Unfortunately if one were to look at the Ontario Liberals they almost all say that this group has absolutely no business remaining as the government, and if they were to look at the PCs, and particularly Doug Ford, they would say that this group and individual have absolutely no business forming government or being premier.
Elections often end up with a set of poor options to choose from, but this Ontario election is setting an all-time low for the abysmal quality of all candidates on offer.
David Amos
@Tony Hill Methinks you must have overlooked the election south of the 49th in 2016 The Yankees elected some dude they call the "The Donald" as Prez and he talked a lot like Ford does N'esy Pas?
james fryday
Ford's got a platform alright. It's called "do what I want". Trumpian I'd say.
Lee Hall
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Plus,one of the longest election periods in Canadian history that cost Canadian taxpayers over $400 Million. As he tried to outspend his opponents.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/elections-canada-443-million-1.3436139--->
Plus,one of the longest election periods in Canadian history that cost Canadian taxpayers over $400 Million. As he tried to outspend his opponents.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/elections-canada-443-million-1.3436139--->
David Amos
@Lee Hall Methinks you have no idea who I am because CBC didn't tell you that I ran in five elections N'esy Pas?
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Don Luft
Ford calls the NDP "radical". Well I suppose from where Ford is standing that might be the perception but for 2/3 of the electorate the radical is Ford.
I'm not surprised Ford hasn't put forth a fully costed program but rails against the NDP and Liberals who have. I expect the reason his party has refused to show where the money is coming from is because the promises can't be reconciled with reality. Spending billions amidst tax cuts and saying you're going to reduce the deficit is ludicrous. The only way he can do it is the way his brother kept a similar promise for Toronto. He slashed budgets across the board leaving essential services under funded.
Like his idol Trump, Ford will come face to face with reality and discover its easier to promise contradictory goals than deliver them.
I'm not surprised Ford hasn't put forth a fully costed program but rails against the NDP and Liberals who have. I expect the reason his party has refused to show where the money is coming from is because the promises can't be reconciled with reality. Spending billions amidst tax cuts and saying you're going to reduce the deficit is ludicrous. The only way he can do it is the way his brother kept a similar promise for Toronto. He slashed budgets across the board leaving essential services under funded.
Like his idol Trump, Ford will come face to face with reality and discover its easier to promise contradictory goals than deliver them.
David Amos
@Don Luft "2/3 of the electorate the radical is Ford"
Methinks you may be mistaken N'esy Pas?
SURVEY SAYS?
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/
Probability of the Progressive Conservatives winning a majority 71.9%
Probability of the Progressive Conservatives winning the most seats but not a majority 11.6%
Probability of the NDP winning a majority 9.2%
Probability of the NDP winning the most seats but not a majority 6.1%
Methinks you may be mistaken N'esy Pas?
SURVEY SAYS?
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/
Probability of the Progressive Conservatives winning a majority 71.9%
Probability of the Progressive Conservatives winning the most seats but not a majority 11.6%
Probability of the NDP winning a majority 9.2%
Probability of the NDP winning the most seats but not a majority 6.1%
Don Luft
@David Amos
I don't know what you're point is. The number of seats doesn't reflect voter support. We've had lots of majority governments without majority support. This time we might get a majority government from a party that polls even fewer votes than second place finisher in terms of seats.
That 2/3 reference was because the PCs are polling around 34-35% right now so almost 2/3 of the electorate support left leaning parties. The difference in policies between the Greens, NDP and Liberal aren't enough that anyone attracted to any of those parties would consider the others radical. The Conservatives by comparison are way out in right field compared to the other parties who would likely see the PCs as radical.
Jim Graham
Typical Con ... taking it for granted they can ride the wave of anger to power. Wrong.
Doug Ford is not prepared to be honest or accountable to voters ... Donald Trump without the weird behaviour. Cons used to speak of someone not being ready ... well, Doug Ford is living their dream.
What a betrayal of public trust. His word cannot be trusted. Fiscal conservatives can find a more comfortable safe place with the Libs until this Ford nightmare passes on by..
Doug Ford is not prepared to be honest or accountable to voters ... Donald Trump without the weird behaviour. Cons used to speak of someone not being ready ... well, Doug Ford is living their dream.
What a betrayal of public trust. His word cannot be trusted. Fiscal conservatives can find a more comfortable safe place with the Libs until this Ford nightmare passes on by..
Joe Godin
@Jim Graham
The Libs ARE dead. Period, point finale.
Don't be surprised that if they are eliminated from official party status. But then again, if you have no elected members, OPS is a moot point...
The Libs ARE dead. Period, point finale.
Don't be surprised that if they are eliminated from official party status. But then again, if you have no elected members, OPS is a moot point...
David Amos
@Joe Godin Methinks the most fun outcome of this circus would be a PC minority mandate. I doubt that Ford would have a tough time making a deal with what was left of the liberals N'esy Pas?
David Fraser
Look at a picture of Doug Ford and ask yourself the question, "Would I buy a used car from this man?" if the answer is no, then you might want to think twice about putting him in charge of a used province. Especially considering that the written warranty he is offering with the car now boils down to "Trust me".
Mr Ford and his party are showing disrespect for the citizens of this province. They do not deserve our trust.
Mr Ford and his party are showing disrespect for the citizens of this province. They do not deserve our trust.
David Amos
@David Fraser Methinks there once was a man named Ford who sold a lots of cars because folks trusted him. On the other hand there once was punk named Ford who shot Jesse James in the back because he mistakenly trusted him Moral of my story? I doubt if Ford can be trusted but I know for certain that I wouldn't trust the other two wannabe Premiers Confusing N'esy Pas?
Ronald Clayton
Mr Ford is not a viable candidate. He lacks honesty, intelligence and a proven track record. Just a waste of time and a waste of a vote.
Margaret Bricknell
@Sue Northfield
Kory Teneycke is running his campaign. Remember him?
Enough said.
Kory Teneycke is running his campaign. Remember him?
Enough said.
David Amos
@Margaret Bricknell "Kory Teneycke is running his campaign. Remember him?"
Methinks you know why I remember him very well N'esy Pas?
Methinks you know why I remember him very well N'esy Pas?
Wayne Reid
Makes me scared. Doug Ford thinks health care here in Ontario should be like the states. pay for your own. I can take a real good guess where he will find some of the money he needs. Never heard one word from him on health care that eased my mind.
Also scares me greatly when they sneak their plan onto the web site and only say what they want to do. No mention of how they will pay for it or what he plans to cut. To sneaking and information lacking for me. My vote will be going else where.
Also scares me greatly when they sneak their plan onto the web site and only say what they want to do. No mention of how they will pay for it or what he plans to cut. To sneaking and information lacking for me. My vote will be going else where.
bill chagwich
@Wayne Reid sneak on the web, now that's scary, the web is open to each and everyone last time I was on it, false info again
David Amos
@bill chagwich Methinks what you say is is largely true However one can find lots of false info about yours truly on the Internet N'esy Pas?
Pat Kenny
So, how many would buy a vehicle after being told by the shady seller that you aren't allowed to look under the hood until after you buy it? Pfffttt...
David Amos
@Pat Kenny "you aren't allowed to look under the hood"
Methinks you should credit your NDP leader with those words N'esy Pas?
Methinks you should credit your NDP leader with those words N'esy Pas?
Robert Morris
There is no such thing as a fiscally prudent con.
Robert Morris
@Margaret Bricknell
Tommy Douglas was premier of Saskatchewan from 1944 to 1961. How old were you when he left in 1961??
Tommy Douglas was premier of Saskatchewan from 1944 to 1961. How old were you when he left in 1961??
Patrick Smyth
@Robert Morris Does one need to have been alive then to speak of it?
David Amos
@Patrick Smyth Methinks most religious folks would think that you asked a very dumb question N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Robert Morris I was nine How about you?
Pat Kenny
Who hides from all reporters and then hires his own phony reporter? Who hires actors to pretend they like him? Who wants you to buy a house without even being allowed to look inside it first?
Ronald McCallum
@bill chagwich
"@Pat Kenny waiting for those false links, hmmm waiting, waiting"
HERE are the "so-called false links" for you Bill.
Pat said the following:
FIRST: "Who hires actors to pretend they like him?"
CBC News story on the 8th of May 2018: "Doug Ford looking into why actors were hired as PC supporters at Ontario leaders' debate": http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/doug-ford-debate-protesters-1.4653301
CBC News story on the 9th of May 2018: "Ontario PCs not parting ways with Toronto Centre candidate after actors hired to play Ford supporters": http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/meredith-cartwright-toronto-centre-1.4655893
SECOND: "Who wants you to buy a house without even being allowed to look inside it first?"
Link to the Progressive Conservatives' Platform sans costing
https://www.ontariopc.ca/plan_for_the_people« less
"@Pat Kenny waiting for those false links, hmmm waiting, waiting"
HERE are the "so-called false links" for you Bill.
Pat said the following:
FIRST: "Who hires actors to pretend they like him?"
CBC News story on the 8th of May 2018: "Doug Ford looking into why actors were hired as PC supporters at Ontario leaders' debate": http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/doug-ford-debate-protesters-1.4653301
CBC News story on the 9th of May 2018: "Ontario PCs not parting ways with Toronto Centre candidate after actors hired to play Ford supporters": http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/meredith-cartwright-toronto-centre-1.4655893
SECOND: "Who wants you to buy a house without even being allowed to look inside it first?"
Link to the Progressive Conservatives' Platform sans costing
https://www.ontariopc.ca/plan_for_the_people« less
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David Amos
@Pat Kenny Methinks two dudes who went on a blind date last year both fit the bill N'esy Pas?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zs1PT44aWg
Jagmeet Singh and Doug Ford go on a Political Blind Date
9,821 views
Toronto Star
Published on Nov 15, 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zs1PT44aWg
Jagmeet Singh and Doug Ford go on a Political Blind Date
9,821 views
Toronto Star
Published on Nov 15, 2017
David Amos
@Pat Kenny Methinks it is rather interesting that CBC blocked my reply to you referring to the Toronto Star's report on Jagmeet Singh and Doug Ford N'esy Pas?
Doug Ford's PCs reveal 'final' campaign platform that has no fiscal outlook
Ford campaign spokesperson says no further financial details are coming before June 7
After months of promising to release a fully costed campaign platform, the Progressive Conservatives have published an online list of promises that doesn't include a detailed fiscal plan.
Overnight on Tuesday, the PCs quietly revised their campaign website to include "For The People: A Plan for Ontario."
In the document, the PCs reiterate a number of promises already laid out by their leader, Doug Ford, including a pledge to cut taxes for the middle income bracket and businesses, reduce the price of gasoline by 10 cents per litre. They also promise hundreds of millions of dollars for various infrastructure projects.
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P&P's Ontario election panel debates Ford's 'Plan for Ontario' website
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"We've been talking about our plan every day and it's all there in one spot to show Ontario voters the stark choice between a responsible and modest spending of a PC government and a radical NDP who will be disastrous for the people of Ontario," she said.
Ford and his campaign team have repeatedly promised to publish a fully costed platform before election day. Back in March, when the Liberals released their 2018 budget — which formed the backbone of their own platform — Ford criticized the Liberals for putting forward figures he characterized as shoddy.
"We have 71 days left in this election. That's more than enough time to unveil our platform," Ford said then.
"And we have a solid platform that is fully costed. That's the difference. Ours will be fully costed, theirs isn't fully costed."
Ford has frequently touted his business experience on the campaign trail and his dedication to fiscal responsibility. During the last televised leaders' debate earlier this week, NDP Leader Andrea Horwath said Ford was disrespecting voters by failing to publish a costed platform.
Both Horwath and Liberal Leader Kathleen Wynne heaped scorn on the notion that Ford had released a full plan Wednesday.
Horwath was equally incredulous, saying it wasn't good enough for Ford to write a "list of things he might do and put it on the internet."
People should know what Ford's plans are, what he's going to cut and what services might be at risk, the NDP leader said.
"His list of things-to-do that he put on his website is not going to help people to decide which way to vote and what's their best interest in this campaign," Horwath said.
"What's worrisome is we have a leader who's trying to take the chair of the premier in this province and he's not being honest with people."