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David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks the lawyer Michael Bryant should answered me in 2005 Everybody knows that I sent him Hard Copy of my concerns byway of registered US Mail (signature required) when he was the Attorney General of Ontario N'esy Pas?
#cdnpoli#nbpoli #FBI #RCMP
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/walmart-receipt-check-costco-1.5355527
· CBC News· Posted: Nov 12, 2019 4:00 AM ET
Penny Rintoul of Vaughan, Ont., said she finds Walmart receipt checks 'angering and demeaning.' (Jacqueline Hansen/CBC)
An apparent step-up of receipt and shopping bag checks at Walmart has sparked customer complaints, raising concerns about shoppers' rights.
"It was not a request, it was a demand," said Penny Rintoul of Vaughan, Ont., about a recent receipt check just before she exited Walmart with her purchases. She said her local Walmart increased its checks in the spring.
"It's very angering and demeaning."
The Canadian Civil Liberties Association (CCLA) said it's investigating the practice of retailers doing routine security checks at the exit, concerned that the way they're conducted may jeopardize customers' rights.
Michael Bryant, CCLA's executive director and general counsel, said retailers should get consent before checking receipts or bags. And if no consent is provided, he said, customers are under no obligation to comply.
"Their right is to say, 'Thanks, but no thanks,' and walk away," said Bryant.
"Some people feel strongly about their privacy and, in fact, the way our laws work, that privacy and liberty is protected."
Michael Bryant, executive director and general counsel for the Canadian Civil Liberties Association, says retailers should get consent before checking receipts or bags. (Jacqueline Hansen/CBC)
In a 2016 ruling on a case involving a suspected shoplifter, an Ontario Superior Court judge wrote that a retailer can detain a suspect if there are reasonable grounds, but — even then — it would have to get consent to do a search.
Walmart didn't directly address questions from CBC News about customers' rights including what happens if shoppers refuse receipt checks. The retail giant also didn't say if it has stepped up its security checks.
"To assist in our efforts to manage costs and offer everyday low prices, customers may be asked to show their receipts as they exit our store to ensure the checkout process went smoothly," said Walmart Canada spokesperson Adam Grachnik in an email.
CBC News interviewed several customers who said they weren't "asked," and instead felt pressured to comply.
Walmart said customers may be asked to show their receipts as they exit to ensure the checkout process 'went smoothly.' (Sophia Harris/CBC)
Paula Fletcher of Renfrew County, Ont., said that in August, a Walmart employee watched as she scanned her groceries at self-checkout, and then insisted on inspecting her receipt and shopping bag.
"She did not make it an option," said Fletcher.
"I don't like being treated as a criminal," she said. "If they don't trust us, they shouldn't have self-checkout."
Walmart's recent addition of self-checkout machines appears to be a driving force behind receipt checks. In response to customer complaints on social media, the retailer has replied repeatedly that it's doing the checks to ensure the self-checkout process "went smoothly" and that all items have been scanned.
Studies suggest that stores adding self-checkouts can experience more theft because thieves believe the risk of getting caught not scanning items is low.
Amy Fraser of Sydney Mines, N.S., said she has experienced frequent receipt and occasional shopping bag inspections in the past five months at Walmart, both after using self-checkout and checking out with a cashier.
She said she reached her limit last month when a Walmart employee demanded to check her receipt, just as she prepared to feed her baby before exiting.
"He's like pouncing, 'You have your receipt?'" said Fraser. "I just [felt] like walking out and being like, 'No, no, call the cops on me.'"
Walmart has replied repeatedly to customers on social media that it’s doing the checks to ensure that all items have been scanned. (Sophia Harris/CBC)
So what happens if a retailer calls the cops? Toronto security consultant James Reese said a retailer needs to have evidence of theft for police to take action.
"If they did not see you take something, they cannot come after you just for refusing to show your bags or receipt," he said.
In the 2016 case involving the suspected shoplifter, the judge also wrote that "if a store owner is mistaken and no theft has occurred, their detention of a customer makes them liable for … false imprisonment."
However, shoppers rejecting receipt checks do risk being banned from the store, said Reese.
"That's within the merchant's prerogative."
Retail giant Costco also checks customers' receipts.
However, Costco customers are required to sign up for a membership, which means they may have provided consent — depending on how clearly the rules are laid out, said CCLA's Bryant.
"They need to tell people about it."
Costco didn't reply to requests for comment, but CBC News found its policy on its website in the "membership conditions" section. It says customers are required to show receipts to ensure that "you have been properly charged for your purchases" and to maintain accurate inventory control.
CBC News discovered signs at several Toronto-area Walmarts which stated, 'Please have Receipt ready for Proof of Purchase.' But 'Just because there's a sign doesn't mean that someone's read it or understood it,' says Toronto criminal lawyer Anthony Moustacalis. (Laura MacNaughton/CBC)
At Walmart, there's no membership requirement and customers interviewed said they saw no in-store warnings that they'd be checked.
Last week, CBC News did discover signs at several Toronto-area Walmarts which stated, "Please have Receipt ready for Proof of Purchase." But a Toronto criminal lawyer argues that's not good enough.
"Just because there's a sign doesn't mean that someone's read it or understood it," said Anthony Moustacalis.
"Consent does need to be fully informed," he said. "That generally means that you need to know that you have a right to refuse."
There's no question that shoplifting is a problem for retailers, especially when it comes to self-checkout. But retailers still need to play by the rules, even when tackling emerging technologies, said Bryant.
"New technology should never mean giving up your rights."
1419 Comments
David Amos
Methinks the lawyer Michael Bryant should answered me in 2005 Everybody knows that I sent him Hard Copy of my concerns byway of registered US Mail (signature required) when he was the Attorney General of Ontario N'esy Pas?
Paul Ethier
And over at the government run LCBO, they hold the door open for you so that you can walk out with duffle bags full of unpaid booze.
John Noble
When a store opens its doors to potential customers, under law known as “ an invitation to treat” , you are welcome to shop there under their rules . If it involves a security check at the end so be it . A company or business has every reasonable duty to protect its assets and employees . You do NOT have to shop there if you do not like the stores procedures
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David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks everybody knows I had sent Sophia Harris and the US Ambassador piles of documents byway of a Courier (signature required) in July of 2002 N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-canadian-civil-liberties.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/walmart-receipt-check-costco-1.5355527
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks the lawyer Michael Bryant should answered me in 2005 Everybody knows that I sent him Hard Copy of my concerns byway of registered US Mail (signature required) when he was the Attorney General of Ontario N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/walmart-receipt-check-costco-1.5355527
'Treated as a criminal': Walmart receipt and bag checks anger customers. Your rights explained
Customers don't have to comply with routine receipt checks, civil rights expert says
· CBC News· Posted: Nov 12, 2019 4:00 AM ET
Penny Rintoul of Vaughan, Ont., said she finds Walmart receipt checks 'angering and demeaning.' (Jacqueline Hansen/CBC)
An apparent step-up of receipt and shopping bag checks at Walmart has sparked customer complaints, raising concerns about shoppers' rights.
"It was not a request, it was a demand," said Penny Rintoul of Vaughan, Ont., about a recent receipt check just before she exited Walmart with her purchases. She said her local Walmart increased its checks in the spring.
"It's very angering and demeaning."
The Canadian Civil Liberties Association (CCLA) said it's investigating the practice of retailers doing routine security checks at the exit, concerned that the way they're conducted may jeopardize customers' rights.
Michael Bryant, CCLA's executive director and general counsel, said retailers should get consent before checking receipts or bags. And if no consent is provided, he said, customers are under no obligation to comply.
"Their right is to say, 'Thanks, but no thanks,' and walk away," said Bryant.
"Some people feel strongly about their privacy and, in fact, the way our laws work, that privacy and liberty is protected."
Michael Bryant, executive director and general counsel for the Canadian Civil Liberties Association, says retailers should get consent before checking receipts or bags. (Jacqueline Hansen/CBC)
In a 2016 ruling on a case involving a suspected shoplifter, an Ontario Superior Court judge wrote that a retailer can detain a suspect if there are reasonable grounds, but — even then — it would have to get consent to do a search.
Walmart didn't directly address questions from CBC News about customers' rights including what happens if shoppers refuse receipt checks. The retail giant also didn't say if it has stepped up its security checks.
"To assist in our efforts to manage costs and offer everyday low prices, customers may be asked to show their receipts as they exit our store to ensure the checkout process went smoothly," said Walmart Canada spokesperson Adam Grachnik in an email.
CBC News interviewed several customers who said they weren't "asked," and instead felt pressured to comply.
Walmart said customers may be asked to show their receipts as they exit to ensure the checkout process 'went smoothly.' (Sophia Harris/CBC)
Paula Fletcher of Renfrew County, Ont., said that in August, a Walmart employee watched as she scanned her groceries at self-checkout, and then insisted on inspecting her receipt and shopping bag.
"She did not make it an option," said Fletcher.
"I don't like being treated as a criminal," she said. "If they don't trust us, they shouldn't have self-checkout."
Walmart's recent addition of self-checkout machines appears to be a driving force behind receipt checks. In response to customer complaints on social media, the retailer has replied repeatedly that it's doing the checks to ensure the self-checkout process "went smoothly" and that all items have been scanned.
Studies suggest that stores adding self-checkouts can experience more theft because thieves believe the risk of getting caught not scanning items is low.
@WalmartCanada Since you’ve installed self service check out In your stores I feel like a criminal every time I leave your stores and the greeter has to check me receipt to make sure I’m not shop lifting
Hey @WalmartCanada when did you turn into Costco? Private security guard at Richmond Hill Bayview-Major Mac store is stopping everyone and checking their receipt and items purchased. Shouldn’t have to line up to leave a Walmart!
Hi. Our associates are trained to check receipts to make sure unbagged items, and those at the bottom of the basket, have been scanned. As more of our stores are equipped with self-checkout machines, our associates will check receipts to make sure the transaction went smoothly.
Amy Fraser of Sydney Mines, N.S., said she has experienced frequent receipt and occasional shopping bag inspections in the past five months at Walmart, both after using self-checkout and checking out with a cashier.
She said she reached her limit last month when a Walmart employee demanded to check her receipt, just as she prepared to feed her baby before exiting.
"He's like pouncing, 'You have your receipt?'" said Fraser. "I just [felt] like walking out and being like, 'No, no, call the cops on me.'"
Walmart has replied repeatedly to customers on social media that it’s doing the checks to ensure that all items have been scanned. (Sophia Harris/CBC)
So what happens if a retailer calls the cops? Toronto security consultant James Reese said a retailer needs to have evidence of theft for police to take action.
"If they did not see you take something, they cannot come after you just for refusing to show your bags or receipt," he said.
In the 2016 case involving the suspected shoplifter, the judge also wrote that "if a store owner is mistaken and no theft has occurred, their detention of a customer makes them liable for … false imprisonment."
However, shoppers rejecting receipt checks do risk being banned from the store, said Reese.
"That's within the merchant's prerogative."
What about Costco?
Retail giant Costco also checks customers' receipts.
However, Costco customers are required to sign up for a membership, which means they may have provided consent — depending on how clearly the rules are laid out, said CCLA's Bryant.
"They need to tell people about it."
Costco didn't reply to requests for comment, but CBC News found its policy on its website in the "membership conditions" section. It says customers are required to show receipts to ensure that "you have been properly charged for your purchases" and to maintain accurate inventory control.
CBC News discovered signs at several Toronto-area Walmarts which stated, 'Please have Receipt ready for Proof of Purchase.' But 'Just because there's a sign doesn't mean that someone's read it or understood it,' says Toronto criminal lawyer Anthony Moustacalis. (Laura MacNaughton/CBC)
At Walmart, there's no membership requirement and customers interviewed said they saw no in-store warnings that they'd be checked.
Last week, CBC News did discover signs at several Toronto-area Walmarts which stated, "Please have Receipt ready for Proof of Purchase." But a Toronto criminal lawyer argues that's not good enough.
"Just because there's a sign doesn't mean that someone's read it or understood it," said Anthony Moustacalis.
"Consent does need to be fully informed," he said. "That generally means that you need to know that you have a right to refuse."
There's no question that shoplifting is a problem for retailers, especially when it comes to self-checkout. But retailers still need to play by the rules, even when tackling emerging technologies, said Bryant.
"New technology should never mean giving up your rights."
1419 Comments
David Amos
Methinks the lawyer Michael Bryant should answered me in 2005 Everybody knows that I sent him Hard Copy of my concerns byway of registered US Mail (signature required) when he was the Attorney General of Ontario N'esy Pas?
Mellor Byfield
Reply to @David Amos: Well there's your first problem... US mail doesn't operate in Canada.
David Amos
Reply to @mellor byfield: Not true I have the tracked receipts and I published them as soon as got them in other people's' blogs Methinks you should Google Charles Leblanc Gold found in Sussex in order to see what I say is true then ask your MP about my concerns ASAP N'esy Pas?
Mellor Byfield
Reply to @David Amos: I've got better things to do.. and so does my MP.
David Amos
Reply to @mellor byfield: Furthermore Doug Ford definitely got a copy of my lawsuit Federal Court File No T-1557-15 Trust that I made the lawyer Michael Bryant and his many associates well aware of that fact as well.
David Amos
Reply to @mellor byfield: Yea Right
Paul Ethier
And over at the government run LCBO, they hold the door open for you so that you can walk out with duffle bags full of unpaid booze.
Al Clark
Reply to @Paul Ethier: I think you're talking about a recent story from Winnipeg, a long LONG way from any LCBO.
Paul Ethier
Reply to @Al Clark: No, LCBO also.
Robert Summer
Reply to @Paul Ethier: suprise suprise a goverment run facility knows and respects the law and the fact that their security agents are not police with the power of dettaining a person. Funny how a company tries to upsurp the polices power and you seem to support that
Al Clark
Reply to @Paul Ethier: LOL! What do you think the O in LCBO stands for??? HAHAHAHA!
David Amos
Reply to @Al Clark: Methinks more folks laugh at you and your cop buddies rather than with you N'esy Pas?
John Noble
When a store opens its doors to potential customers, under law known as “ an invitation to treat” , you are welcome to shop there under their rules . If it involves a security check at the end so be it . A company or business has every reasonable duty to protect its assets and employees . You do NOT have to shop there if you do not like the stores procedures
.
Al Clark
Reply to @John Noble: The "security check" is at the cashier. After that, what's in the bag is YOUR property!
John Noble
Reply to @Al Clark: uh no ! The security check is over when you leave the business private property
David Amos
Reply to @Al Clark: Methinks it you did your own "security check" you and your cop buddies would have discovered that I had sent Sophia Harris in Toronto and the US Ambassador in Ottawa identical piles of documents byway of a Courier (signature required) in July of 2002 N'esy Pas?
Mike Potter
Reply to @John Noble: If it involves a security check at the end so be it
"the judge also wrote that "if a store owner is mistaken and no theft has occurred, their detention of a customer makes them liable for … false imprisonment."
I'll take option "B".
"the judge also wrote that "if a store owner is mistaken and no theft has occurred, their detention of a customer makes them liable for … false imprisonment."
I'll take option "B".
Al Clark
Reply to @David Amos: What the.....?????
David Amos
Reply to @Al Clark: Deja Vu for you and your cop buddies to enjoy
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
Al Clark
Reply to @David Amos: What happened to the raymond? Dodging a ban/blockage?
Al Clark
Reply to @David Amos: LOL "AKA Gandalf The Kray-zay"
Al Clark
Reply to @David Amos: LOL "AKA Gandalf The Kray-zay"