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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/mandatory-vaccination-hearings-1.5269118




5 takeaways from hearings on mandatory vaccinations


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David Amos  
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Oh My My

"Anderson-Mason could not be reached for comment Tuesday."

Methinks silence from the Attorney General and Chair of the Committee should speak volumes to Cardy about his Bill and his future as a Minister N'esy Pas?











David Amos  
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Methinks if Higgs hopes to have a chance at winning the next election he would dump the former NDP Leader ASAP N'esy Pas?

"Midway through the third and final day of testimony, Anderson-Mason, a member of the cabinet, wouldn't commit to voting for the bill.

"I can't say that I've reached a conclusion until I've heard all the evidence," she told reporters.

That prompted Cardy to tell Radio-Canada that in our Westminster model of cabinet government, "if you can't support a government, you have to resign." He said Premier Blaine Higgs is committed to the bill.

Anderson-Mason could not be reached for comment Tuesday."





 


David Amos
Methinks in the spirit of full disclosure i should admit that I had given up on Vaccine Choice Canada until I got a call the warmed my heart last night and I have no doubt that the Feds know all about it N'esy Pas?  









Ted Kuntz
Two points this article neglected to address. The MLAs on the committee WERE persuaded by expert testimony. Medical doctors, vaccine safety researchers, and a constitutional lawyer presented verifiable evidence that vaccines can cause injuries and death. And, we live in a society where there is risk, there must be choice. Second, Vaccine Choice Canada, and the parents of vaccine injured children who presented at the hearings are not "anti-vaccine" as purported. This is purposeful deception and distortion by both Minister Cardy and the mainstream media. Every single presenter was very clear, they are "anti-vaccine MANDATES". To describe this movement as "anti-vaccine" is dishonest, disrespectful, and destructive to encouraging thoughtful discussion on the impact of removing informed consent, eliminating medical decision making by parents, and denying bodily sovereignty. If Cardy and the media were honest, we would be having a very different conversation in our kitchens and living rooms. We would be asking if the risk of measles is so great (11 cases in 2019/an undisclosed number from the vaccine itself/no permanent injuries or deaths) that we are willing to give up our rights and freedoms as citizens of Canada and impose a complex medical procedure by force upon our healthy children.


David Amos  
Reply to @Ted Kuntz: Methinks you and I should talk ASAP N'esy Pas?
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Ted Kuntz:

Totally agree !
Bob Smith
Reply to @Ted Kuntz: Ahhh, the anti-vaxxer passive aggressive message. We have evidence, they claim. The evidence? Well, vaccines are not 1000% safe so therefore they can cause injury/death always. As for measles outbreaks, there were two in the New Brunswick area...and more elsewhere where other anti vaxxers peddle half truths. Oh, and top it off with "rights and freedoms" stance to make it clear they care about their children. Maybe the government needed to bring pictures of children stricken by polio and smallpox to counter this "vaccines are bad" message.  
David Amos 
Reply to @Ted Kuntz: I just left a message on what I believe to be your voicemail machine
Steve Burke
Reply to @Bob Smith: how many of the measles cases were fully vaccinated and why did the Chief Medical Officer of NB decline to share that info? Why couldn’t the answer other questions about vaccine safety? Why is Canada the only G7 country that doesn’t compensate vaccine injuries?

















Mark Tyson
According to the anti common sense crowd all vaccines are bad for you . Think about that for a second .A bunch of ordinary people with no knowledge or backgrounds in medicine keep telling the rest of us that 'they' know more about scientific matters than the people who are actually schooled in the matter ! That's like saying you know more about putting a bridge up than structural engineers or even worse some of the naysayers actually believe that just eating good quality food will prevent the flu or any other viral disease from happening ! Try and get your head around that for a second. 


Tim Biddiscombe 
Reply to @Mark Tyson: But they love anecdotal "evidence"..
Serge Ibak 
Reply to @Mark Tyson: I know right. It's ridiculous. It's comparable to following the recommended schedule on health Canada's site (which mimics the CDC in case you're wondering) and getting the recommended 140 vaccines as told to do so. Some people just need to give their head a shake.

It's beyond me why anyone would think eating good quality food, being sanitary, working out, not smoking etc would have a better impact than 140 shots.
Graham McCormack 
Reply to @Serge Ibak: Curious as to where you are finding a recommendation for 140 vaccines on Health Canada's website. Can you point the way?
Mac Isaac 
Reply to @Serge Ibak: The problem with your snide comment is that not everybody can get or eat "good quality food, being sanitary, working out, not smoking, etc", BUT everybody can get vaccinated!!
Serge Ibak 
Reply to @Graham McCormack:

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/provincial-territorial-immunization-information/provincial-territorial-routine-vaccination-programs-infants-children.html

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/provincial-territorial-immunization-information/routine-vaccination-healthy-previously-immunized-adult.html

1st link is for kids, 2nd is for adults. I've put this into a spreadsheet. I was given 23 vaccines...it's now a recommended list of 140. A few more in the mill. Note: this is actual vaccines, not shots since some are now multi dose.
Serge Ibak
Reply to @Mac Isaac: Apologies for hurting your feelings. Sometimes the truth hurts. Please continue to vaccinate accordingly, and I will pick and choose.

Your allergies, colds, flu, rashes, eczema, illnesses can all be chalked off to coincidences or genetics.

David Amos  
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Reply to @Mac Isaac: Methinks he is not the only soul makes "snide" comments N'esy Pas?
David Amos  
Reply to @David Amos: More proof of the pudding
David Amos  
Reply to @Serge Ibak: Methinks Cardy and all the other politicians and their lawyers know is the last thing I would do is apologize for saying what I truly think That is why I was illegally barred from parliamentary properties in 2004 while running in the election of the 38th Parliament and the ex RCMP dude Kevin Vickers certainly can never deny it under oath N'esy Pas?
Alex Forbes
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: You side loves to ignore statistics.
Jan Toffe
Reply to @Serge Ibak: I totally agree with you. In 1983 there was only 7 vaccines, they have more than doubled the amount of vaccines since then. When is there too many? I am boggled by the fact that every one knows prescription drugs kill over 100,000 Americans a year, yet think vaccines are totally harmless, something that is injected into small kids over and over and over again.
Aluminum, neomycin, phenol, polysorbat 80, MRC-5 cell lines- human DNA fragments. There is no tracking of long term harm, how much does this contribute to the fact that 40% of our kids have at least one chronic health condition? Asthma, allergies, neuro-developmental disorders and more.
I say we go back to the original 7 vaccines and delay or skip the rest until they improve the vaccines. That is not going to happen if there mandatory, why would pharma spend the money fixing them if there mandatory, you have to take them.
Graham McCormack 
Reply to @Serge Ibak: First link I count 31 but some of them are second and third doses of the same vaccine and 7 on the second link.

David Amos 
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Reply to @Mac Isaac: "Snide comment"

Hmmmm
Shawn McShane 
Reply to @Graham McCormack: Wow when I was a kid we got 4 or 5.
Serge Ibak 
Reply to @Graham McCormack: Let's use the Dtap as an example. It's a 5 in 1, given 4X before 18 months. So there would be 20 before 18 mths just for Dtap.

MMRV would be 4 in 1, given twice before 18 mths...so add another 8. Total is at 28 before 18 months....and just keep going down the list .
Graham McCormack
Reply to @Serge Ibak: You are changing your story. MMRV is made up of 4 vaccines and given in multiple shots, 28 as you say. That is still just 4 vaccines.
Graham McCormack 
Reply to @Shawn McShane: You were given 4 or 5 shots but each contained multiple vaccines.
David Amos 
Reply to @Mac Isaac: Hmmm
Serge Ibak  
Reply to @Graham McCormack: shots vs vaccines...who's counting right?
Steve Burke  
Reply to @Mark Tyson: a giant mess of logical fallacies there, congrats!
Steve Burke
Reply to @Mac Isaac: wrong, not everyone can get vaccinated. not everyone can take aspirin either but they’re not called anti-aspirin for pointing that out. Look up “contraindications” in the dictionary


















Tim Biddiscombe
I have the flu ..it must have been the polio vaccination I got.


David Amos  
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Methinks its time for your nap N'esy Pas?
Shawn McShane  
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Could have been the flu vaccine...
-CBC Flu shot linked to higher incidence of flu in pandemic year
Miss Daisy
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: good thing u didnt get polio
















David Amos  
Too Too Funny Indeed

"Midway through the third and final day of testimony, Anderson-Mason, a member of the cabinet, wouldn't commit to voting for the bill.

"I can't say that I've reached a conclusion until I've heard all the evidence," she told reporters.

That prompted Cardy to tell Radio-Canada that in our Westminster model of cabinet government, "if you can't support a government, you have to resign." He said Premier Blaine Higgs is committed to the bill.

Anderson-Mason could not be reached for comment Tuesday." 



Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @David Amos: You lost to him, N'esy Pas?
Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @David Amos: Too funny indeed ;)
Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @David Amos: Can you tell us all what that has to do with vaccines pls N'esyPas?
Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @David Amos: Do your political campainging elsewhere pls..
David Amos  
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Methinks a simple quote has put your knickers in quite a knot N'esy Pas?

















Tim Biddiscombe
I'm interested in knowing how many know a Canadian discovered the vaccine for polio that virtually wiped it off the map..


Tim Biddiscombe

Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: And then gave it away for free?
Mack Leigh  
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe:
And how many know that the vaccines of today are not as safe as the vaccines of yester year due to the amount of pollutants and toxic chemicals they now contain ?
Tim Biddiscombe 
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Vaccinate your kids from polio pls ..there is little risk compared to getting the disease and suffering from that. Medical expemptions only.
Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @Mack Leigh: Only the few anti vaxxers believe that.
Serge Ibak 
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: labelling people really makes having a civil debate tough. In response to your top post. Let's talk about the Oral Polio Vaccine...surely you wouldn't have issues taking that a few times a year would you? if we can inject health, why stop at just one vaccine...
Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @Serge Ibak: I have the flu ..it must have been the polio vaccination I got.
Mark Tyson
Reply to @Mack Leigh: Show us the evidence then ! Otherwise your blowing hot air.
Alex Forbes  
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: You have the flu because the flu vaccine is only 50% effective if you are lucky...
Serge Ibak  
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Get the HPV vaccine...that should fix you up...with a boost of MMR to up the immune system.
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Mark Tyson:
Example: Mercury in vaccines when dentist's are strongly recommending that all fillings with mercury now be removed sighting health concerns...
Tim Biddiscombe 
Reply to @Alex Forbes: Much better than nothing..
Tim Biddiscombe 
Reply to @Mack Leigh: The miniscule amount of mercury in vaccines is totally denatured and helps the vaccine last.
Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @Serge Ibak: ad hominem Serge

tsk tsk
David Amos
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe:Methinks nobody cares about what you wish to know in light of the fact that you twist everything for your buddy Cardy's benefit N'esy Pas?
Alex Forbes 
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: A couple of the few years I got the flu was when I was getting the flu vaccine.
Alex Forbes 
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Most of the pro-vaxxers are simply spewing ad hominems.
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Serge Ibak:

Yes, like the poor girl, Olympic Medalist, who just lost her life to the same cancer that the HPV vaccine was supposed to protect her from getting.

David Amos
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Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Methinks you have already proven that you are a master of ad hominem comments N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: ad hominem???

Who are you to chastise others?
















David Amos
Methinks Mr Higgs should ask his advisors to help him decide which cabinet minister he favours his choice of Attorney General or the former NDP Leader ASAP N'esy Pas?


Tim Biddiscombe 
Reply to @David Amos: ASAP because you said so N'esy Pas.

David Amos 
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Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: NOPE Methinks its a wise thing to do if his advisors have bothered to read this article and the comments the CBC has allowed to be published thus far N'esy Pas?
David Amos 
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks I just saved more proof of the pudding N'esy Pas?











David Amos 
Methinks Cardy and Northrup must have got very nervous when the lawyer brought up the subject of Tim Hortons muffins out of the gate N'esy Pas?

"Fredericton father Andy Clark, a lawyer and entrepreneur, brought his healthy, unvaccinated children with him when he testified. He opened with an offer to take everyone to Tim Hortons after the kids raided a tray of muffins set out for MLAs.

Then he invited them to weigh whether he fit Cardy's description."



Tim Biddiscombe 
Reply to @David Amos: Timbits is a good reason not to imminize your kids too..
David Amos  
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Methinks you would be a failure as a comedian best keep your job supporting Cardy N'esy Pas?

















David Amos 
"Sussex-Fundy-St. Martins PC MLA Bruce Northrup told Smallwood that her desire to make her own decisions for her children "kind of explains everything."

Yea Right Methinks Northrup has never been able to explain anything he has done as a Cabinet Minister That is why he is not one now. It should be a small wonder why I ran against him in the last election Bruce and his buddies Cardy et al teased me before the election Hell Cardy even sent me a video of the clown teasing his cat "Puffin" because of my dealings with Iceland N'esy Pas? 



Tim Biddiscombe 
Reply to @David Amos: Did you lose to him N'esy Pas?
David Amos 
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: I hardy got any votes at all Whats your point?
Tim Biddiscombe  
Reply to @David Amos: I think you just made it for me ;)
Tim Biddiscombe  
Reply to @David Amos: But I appreciate your honesty N'esy Pas.
David Amos 
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Methinks you should Google my name and that of Dominic Cardy if you can handle the truth about your political pals N'esy Pas?
Tim Biddiscombe  
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks I did ..and its true, you got practically no votes.
David Amos 
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Methinks you also read Cardy's note to me when he sent the Tim's Treats N'esy Pas?
Tim Biddiscombe   
Reply to @David Amos: Wouldnt make me vote for you..n'esy pas.
Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks & N'esy pas. You must be quite a treat in a debate!
David Amos 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks anyone can Google "Fundy Royal Debate" and see for themselves N'esy Pas?
Tim Biddiscombe  
Reply to @David Amos: I did. You got creamed l olz
Tim Biddiscombe  
Reply to @David Amos: Nesy pas pa pa pa badoom!
David Amos 
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Methinks desperate political pundits post desperate things about past debates before another federal election N'esy Pas?




















Mo Bennett
apparently there have been at least 9 neanderthals visiting this article.


David Amos  
Reply to @mo bennett: YO MO Are you and I within your tally?

Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @David Amos: N'esy pas

David Amos 
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Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Methinks desperate political pundits post desperate things while CBC blocks my comments for their benefit N'esy Pas?
David Amos 
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Methinks somebody just shot themselves in the foot while it was in their mouth N'esy Pas?






















Clive Gibbons
The plural of anecdote is not evidence. The government needs to follow today's best scientific research on this, not Sally from the internet.


Alex Forbes 
Reply to @Clive Gibbons: Enough anecdotes make statistics
Tim Biddiscombe 
Reply to @Alex Forbes: No they dont. And its not evidence either.
Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @Alex Forbes: anecdotes are often ruled by emotions
Alex Forbes  
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: And vaccine lobbyists have a vested interest in suppressing the side-effects.
Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @Alex Forbes: I'm not a vaccine lobbyist and I doubt there are that many side effects that justifies putting the general public at risk.
Alex Forbes  
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: If there is ANY side-effects you put public health at risk by making it mandatory.
David Amos 
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Yea Right
Tim Biddiscombe 
Reply to @Alex Forbes: False. Not vaccinating your kids for non medical reasons puts those who do have valid medical reasons at risk.
Tim Biddiscombe 
Reply to @David Amos: Nice rebuttal ;) I wonder why you failed in your election so badly N'esy Pas.
 Alex Forbes 
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Wrong, that child's already weakened immune system puts them at risk.
David Amos 
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Methinks you and your buddy Cardy would not dare to debate me in public or argue me in court N'esy Pas?
Koffi Babone 
Reply to @David Amos:
I'll play...What would you like to debate?
David Amos 
Reply to @Koffi Babone: Public Corruption
David Amos 
Reply to @Koffi Babone: Methinks you should review Federal Court File No T-1557-15 first in order to understand my argument N'esy Pas?
Koffi Babone  
Reply to @David Amos:
I thought you wanted to discuss vaccine safety...
Sorry I have no expertise on public corruption...
FYI, it's "N'est ce pas""N'esy pas" is not French
David Amos 
Reply to @Koffi Babone: Methinks everybody in New Brunswick knows what Chiac is N'esy Pas?
Koffi Babone  
Reply to @David Amos:
That's not Chiac.. My work place is 80% French (Acadian)
David Amos 
Reply to @Koffi Babone: Methinks if that is true then you have no reason to play dumb about Cardy and public corruption. Perhaps you should say the Chiac expression exactly like I spelled it to 80% of your bureaucratic coworkers who work for my fellow taxpayers and see if they understood you N'esy Pas?

David Amos 
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Reply to @Koffi Babone: Methinks whereas you call me a liar in a public forum I must ask is that your real name or are you just pretending to be the proverbial bad boy and incorrigible son N'esy Pas?
David Amos 
Reply to @Koffi Babone: Methinks everybody knows you are not Koffi Babone N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @David Amos: I was born and bred in Chiac country and your corny expression "N'esy Pas" does not exist. Never heard such an expression ever, except you consistently writing it.
David Amos 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: PURE D BS
David Amos 
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks the next thing you will falsely claim is that legions of liberal lawyers are not familiar with Federal Court File No T-1557-15 N'esy Pas?





https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/mandatory-vaccination-students-new-brunswick-hearing-1.5263933


MLAs struggle with how to vote on mandatory vaccination for students bill





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David Amos
Methinks history may not review the hopefully brief Ministry of the former NDP leader in a favourable light N'esy Pas?




David Amos
Methinks i should remind Mr Cardy and his cohorts about what went down 10 years ago between New Brunswick's vaccination expert Dr. Paul Van Buynder the deputy chief medical officer of health and I N'esy Pas?


David Amos 
Reply to @David Amos: They have their email now




David Amos
"Saint John East PC MLA Glen Savoie, who said Wednesday that the committee process had given anti-vaccination activists too much of an unfiltered platform, said he will vote for Cardy's legislation. "I'm in support of the bill," he said. "It's a government bill."

Methinks Savoie wants to forget how Cardy as NDP leader tried to spoil his second chance at his seat after the questionable liberal sudden quit out of the gate in 2014 N'esy Pas? 











David Amos
"Rick DeSaulniers of the People's Alliance, which the PC minority government relies on for support in passing legislation, also said he was "struggling" with how to balance what he had heard over the three days."

Methinks the ex union dude goes whichever way the wind blows for his benefit N'esy Pas?









David Amos
"I've been an MLA for 13 years and this is probably the biggest struggle I've had, personally," he said. Northrup said he would recommend to the PC caucus that its members be allowed a free vote on the legislation."

Yea Right Methinks Northrup forgot all the trouble he got into supporting private woodlot owners against the Irving Clan's interests when he was a Minister or the fact teise same woodlot owners would not permit me to debate him during the last election. Now they are all crying a the blues N'esy Pas?








Paul Bourgoin
This is an important New Brunswick medical decision not a Popular Political Decision!


David Amos 
Reply to @Paul Bourgoin: Methinks if Minister Cardy and his buddies, Mr Higgs and Ted Flemming are so concerned about the health of their fellow citizens then they would not have denied my right to Health Care merely because I run against their political parties every chance I get N'esy Pas?
 
Paul Bourgoin
Reply to @David Amos: Funny but sad when compared to NB herbisiding programs across New Brunswick's forest habitat with toxic herbicide impacting on human lives and deteriorating our Children's legacy! 
 


David Amos
Surprise Surprise Surprise

"Saint John East PC MLA Glen Savoie, who said Wednesday that the committee process had given anti-vaccination activists too much of an unfiltered platform, said he will vote for Cardy's legislation.

"I'm in support of the bill," he said. "It's a government bill."






Jason Inness
Love Glen Savoie's reasoning for voting for this. Basically, it's because he is told to. I hope the people of Saint John East give him the boot he deserves. He can't come up with his own reasoning on such a controversial bill. What the hell is he being paid for?
To me this is not a science debate, it is a rights debate. Do we as parents not have the right to make these decisions for our children? I wouldn't make this decision for other families, why would I expect the government to make this decision for other families?



David Amos 
Reply to @Jason Inness: I agree


Samual Johnston
Reply to @Tim Morton: Russian roulette but with on bullet in 10 million chambers and a good chance each time you pull the trigger you will hurt someone else.


David Amos
Reply to @Samual Johnston: Your point is???

Samual Johnston
Reply to @David Amos: vaccines are for the good of society as a whole and the benefits to the population as a whole far outweigh chance of harm to a minuscule number of people.
David Amos
Reply to @Samual Johnston: Methinks you are simply posting whatever crosses your mind in support of your favourite political party latest scheme to appear noble after they encountered fierce opposition to Cardy's plan for his beloved "Herd" for 3 days within a very public hearing N'esy Pas?










Michael Levesque
dont struggle too much buddy, the health of taxpayers children is at stake here. the very taxpayer that sends you a fat pay check!


Christopher Taylor
Reply to @michael levesque:
Why threaten politicians when you don’t even pay taxes in Canada
David Amos
Reply to @Christopher Taylor: Methinks everybody knows why Chretien deleted my SIN many moons ago Hence I no longer have to pay income tax to the Feds N'esy Pas?














Mark Tyson
To the naysayers let me explain something. The first vaccination was developed in "1796" thats 1796 ! Not 1953 ! It was developed when a man noticed that milkmaids did not develop what was called the cow pox ie:small pox . He figured out that they had their hands in cow milk and that there was something in the milk that protected them . Today we call it anti-bodies that exist in all living things and the rest is history. I know this will burst a lot of brains in some quarters but facts are facts .


Jason Inness
Reply to @Mark Tyson: So? That doesn't mean that vaccines do not carry risks (the CDC even says so), and it does not mean that government should be making these decisions for our children. Government can't even run it's own affairs. I want it out of my business as much as possible.
Christopher Taylor 
Reply to @Mark Tyson:
That’s nice. If you could add to the conversation or to the debate that would be helpful.
Bob Smith
Reply to @Christopher Taylor: Hard to add to a conversation when anti-vaxxers close their ears to anything they hear as not fitting their mantra.
David Amos
Reply to @Bob Smith: Methinks the same can said of the folks on your side of the fence as well N'esy Pas?
David Amos 
Reply to @Mark Tyson: What does mercury protect us from?
Christopher Taylor 
Reply to @David Amos:
That’s OK. Almost all jabbers have no background in science not have they done any substantial research beyond what they’ve gleaned from sensational headlines, compounded by fear of the unknown and driven by ignorance and hatred toward those who they feel don’t agree with them.
Bartholomew Palmer
Reply to @Mark Tyson: am I missing something? What does your little historical anecdote have to do with anything, exactly? Thank you for sharing, I guess, but doesn't really move the needle on this discussion....














Mélissa Richard
Very happy to see some ppl are still of sound mind. That bearing was so powerful. Those testimonies were honest, and troubling.
When we are told by pharma there is 1 in a million chance of having an advert reaction from their vaccine, bit then you have a mother with 5 kids in front of you. 3 out of 5 have had severe complications from their vaccine. Her younger 2 are not vaccinated. Most difficult decision for the mother, I’m sure.
So 1 in a 100 000 000. Right. This mother has 3 for 3. What would you call that? The worst lottery ever? And so many other mothers as well. All testified their reactions were ignored.
Cognitive Dissonance?



Gabriel Boucher
Reply to @Mélissa Richard:

There's this thing called genetics. Might wanna check that out.
 
David Amos
Reply to @Mélissa Richard: Methinks Mr Boucher just answered your question about Cognitive Dissonance N'esy Pas?
David Amos 
Reply to @Mélissa Richard: Did you get my voicemail?
Graham McCormack
Reply to @Mélissa Richard: Sad yes but you clearly don't understand statistics.
Samual Johnston 
Reply to @Mélissa Richard: it is really scary how you view the "facts". you would endanger the world based on false beliefs and not facts. Don't you doubt yourself a little when you have Amos calling you to give support?
David Amos 
Reply to @Samual Johnston: Methinks you should call Cardy and tell him that he should appreciate your support N'esy Pas?
David Amos 
Reply to @Samual Johnston: BTW the lady did not return my call and methinks I should not be surprised for obvious reasons N'esy Pas? 
Alex Forbes
"Cardy said it's vital to maintain a 95 per cent vaccination rate among schoolchildren because that creates a "herd immunity" that prevents the spread of diseases to a small number of children who can't be vaccinated for legitimate medical reasons."

I have been told by several vaxxers that there is a different definition and purpose of herd immunity which the article itself clearly doesn't present.
 

David Amos
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Reply to @Alex Forbes: Methinks Minister Cardy has read Animal Farm and taken it to heart N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: OH My We are part of a herd
 

















David Webb
So if one is vaccinated can they still get measles? If no, then let those responsible, choose the risk, responsibility and cost of treatment if and when it becomes necessary. But then they would squak that they have a right to treatment.


Alex Forbes 
Reply to @David Webb: Hospitalization isn't necessary for the vast majority of measles cases.
Serge Ibak
Reply to @David Webb: and what if they get the vaccine AND still get measles? t's happened Nd will continue to happen. Who would be responsible then ?
David Amos
Reply to @Alex Forbes: Most people my age had the measles and the mumps etc when we were young and I don't recall any of it being any big deal
Mélissa Richard
Reply to @David Amos: Used to have measles parties, I hear. Like chicken pox parties.
Mélissa Richard
Reply to @David Webb: Reply to @David Webb: Well, thing is, yes..... you can get sick with the measles if you are vaccinated. In fact, the biggest outbreak in Canada in the recent years (over a decade) was in Quebec. Patient 0 (which means the original case) was vaccinated.
In fact, did you know there are 2 kinds of vaccine? The live vaccines can give you the disease, and spread to others.
Another fun fact: we have the technology to test which genotype strain is involved. Wether the vaccine genotype (vaccine induced measles), or the wild measles.
There are some stats on that too.

So now what?
















Mandel Rooney
Wow, the downright ignorance of our elected officials is manifest in this article. Lived experienc becomes part of the scientific data??? Anecdotes are not science. Fear is not science. The science shows that vaccines save lives. No medicine is risk free, but the lives saved by the vaccines vs the risk is monumentally one sided.


David Amos
Reply to @Mandel Rooney: So you say

 
Alex Forbes 
Reply to @Mandel Rooney: Anecdotal evidence in large numbers is what makes science. Good grief you vaxxers must have tooucj aluminium in your brains
Alex Forbes 
Reply to @Alex Forbes: *too much
David Amos 

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Reply to @Alex Forbes: Not funny
David Amos 
Reply to @Alex Forbes: Oh my my
Mélissa Richard 
Reply to @Mandel Rooney: Did you listen to the speakers at the Hearing?
Riddle me this.
Pharma said, recorded live, that the side effects of vaccines is one in a Million.
Yet here we are, in our little province, a woman testifies that 3 out of 5 of ber children have had serious consequences because of the vaccine. The other 2, she chose not to vaccinate.
What an anecdote. One in a million, and her 3 vaccinated kids have been injured and her whole life changes. Not just for 7 to 10 days when you get the measles.

Fun fact: Canada declared measles no longer a threat to Canadians in 1958. Your chances of death or severe complications is about 0.1%. Your chance at survival is 99.99%.

And your deduction is: vaccinate everybody, you’re infecting ppl and we’re gonna die...?
Lisa Penney
Reply to @Mandel Rooney: So you would ignore all the heart attacks caused by Vioxx and all the ligament and retinal tears in people who took Cipro?
David Amos
Reply to @Mélissa Richard: I will riddle you this

If you wish to know what Dominic Cardyu knows about me versus Big Pharma long ago Google my name and look for an old file I called Cross Border















JJ Carrier
As a person who suffered two major diseases in the 1960s and 1970s due to no vacs available to fight them,and almost killed me twice, I would much rather believe a man who spoke today, who I covered as a teenager as one of the most honest and straight-up kids ever from DRHS, than a lobby of wahoos who got all stirred up years ago into this week's farce because Jim Carrey's ex, that failed Playboy model, said so...Vacs save and protect lives, while those on the other side of coin are trying to change the debate from true facts to who can hold their breath longer...I challenge any of these anti-vacs to public debate in any venue, on any channel, at any time..,


Serge Ibak 
Reply to @JJ Carrier: you suffered two major illnesses....and survived. Vaccines didn't save you, you're body did. It's a wonderful thing.
Tim Biddiscombe 
Reply to @Serge Ibak: How do you know the vaccines didnt save him?
David Amos
Reply to @JJ Carrier: Methinks everybody knows Jenny McCarthy was a successful Playboy model Hence we should question everything else you may wish to claim N'esy Pas?
Alex Forbes
Reply to @JJ Carrier: Almost killed you...
Serge Ibak
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: um because I read what he wrote. He didn't get vaccinations. They didn't exist. He lived.
David Amos
Reply to @Alex Forbes: Methinks Mother Nature decided that we needed JJ to walk among us and preach his nonsense N'esy Pas?
















Jason Inness
My point on all these stories is the same: parents, not government, should be making these decisions.
But, for all of you who keep saying that immunization doesn't carry risks, or that the "science" (that you don't know anything about) says that there are no risks, even the Centre for Disease Control lists the risks or various immunizations:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm
If you scroll through them, some of these immunizations carry the risk of coma, seizures, death.
I don't think that government should be making medical decisions for parents. I don't think that people commenting on this story can either. This is a rights issue, not a science issue. 



Samual Johnston 
Reply to @Jason Inness: government is elected to make decisions for the greater good. Yes there is a potential for harm but that potential is so low vs the benefits to society and the harm to society unvaccinated people create is so great, that it makes perfect sense that our elected officials pass laws to make this mandatory.
JJ Carrier 
Reply to @Jason Inness: Speak Canadian, not U.S.
Tim Morton
Reply to @Samual Johnston: 12 confirmed cases of Measles. 0 deaths, 0 complications. If we have the same vaccination rate next year, could we not expect about the same situation if we have someone flying abroad into a Measles outbreak area? Why all the drastic measures for 12 itchy rashes? People will increase their vaccination rates naturally if they are closer to Measle areas, but why force all the children to get vaccinated? Herd Immunity needs 90% - I say a few more percentage by willing individuals rather than forcing this.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Tim Morton: you just are too deep into this conspiracy theory that you refuse to understand why vaccinations are needed. Try to see the other side https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/detection/immunization_misconceptions/en/
Jason Inness 
Reply to @JJ Carrier: Are you kidding?
The CDC is a recognized authority on all things to do with, well, diseases. They have been at this longer than their Canadian counterparts, and it doesn't matter that they are a US agency.
Ellen Roach
Reply to @Jason Inness: agreed! Do we want to live in a province that takes away freedom of choice from taxpayers?
CHRIS MacGillivray 
Reply to @Ellen Roach: lol, let's weigh the science against freedom of choice. Their have been too many stories of babies and frail dying in order to preserve paranoia, or the ability for prayer to cure all. Enough already.
Jason Inness 
Reply to @CHRIS MacGillivray:
You cannot just say science takes precedence over freedom. Further, the science isn't conclusive. Even the CDC says there are risks associated with immunization. That was the point of my original post above.
David Amos 
Reply to @Jason Inness: I concur
Graham McCormack 
Reply to @Jason Inness: There are risks associated with every medicine.
Alex Forbes 
Reply to @Jason Inness: Governments always have corporations in mind.
Ellen Roach 
Reply to @Graham McCormack: question
If your child has a seizure disorder
Should they get vaccinated?
David Amos 
Reply to @Alex Forbes: Methinks that par for the course N'esy Pas?
Mélissa Richard  
Reply to @Samual Johnston: Well now you’re talking politics. It’s called Utilitarianism. Some ppl prefer Libertarianism.
Which goes more like this; you freedoms stop where mine begin.

Either way, the great thing is the Constitution is set in place to protect minorities. Because majority rules. That’s why we are protected by our Rights. It just so happen, it doesn’t matter your political position, thoughts, beliefs, perceptions, or opinions. You simply can’t discriminate against a child and take his/her Right to free public education.

I know, that darn pesky Constitution, eh?
Mélissa Richard  
Reply to @JJ Carrier: It just so happens vaccine injury doesn’t care about borders. CDC holds the patents to all our vaccines.

Sorry, hope that’s not too complex for you. I mean that with respect.
Mélissa Richard  
Reply to @Ellen Roach:
No Helen. Under the proposed medical exemption, i believe the child has to either be on treatment for cancer, or have suffered several (I believe 8) anaphylactic shock from as many different vaccines.
Even if you could be exempt, good luck finding a Dr. that will give you such a thing.

















Stephen Kotyck
"But the overwhelming weight of studies by public health agencies "have clearly indicated that vaccines are safe and effective," said Brett Jackson, secretary-treasurer of the New Brunswick Pharmacists' Association."

Did Brett Jackson, Secretary-treasurer of the New Brunswick Pharmacists' Association, produce a single shred of evidence to support his claim, or were the participants just supposed to take his word for it? We keep hearing about "the overwhelming weight of studies by public health agencies", but no one including public health agencies, ever produce it, mainly because they know it does not exist. My evidence can be found right here: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/ Do your research, what you find will shock you.

Furthermore, unless the government of New Brunswick, is prepared to accept full and complete financial liability for life, for the children maimed and/or killed by this mandate, I strongly suggest they back down. They have no business inserting themselves in the personal medical decision making process of whether or not parents choose to participate in a high risk medical procedures for either themselves or their children.

All vaccines carry risk, the risks are listed in the vaccine insert that accompanies every vaccine. Many of the ingredients in vaccines have never been tested collectively, cumulatively or in combination with other vaccines.

As for the education minister, someone in pharma directed him to bring this nonsense forward. That's how pharma works, who created the opiod crisis?



Serge Ibak 
Reply to @Stephen Kotyck: well said!
Samual Johnston 
Reply to @Stephen Kotyck: and no one presented any evidence against his comments. At some point we the people rely on government to ensure the public safety and this is one of those cases and many MLA’s are dropping the ball.
David Amos 
Reply to @Serge Ibak: I agree
Mélissa Richard  
Reply to @Samual Johnston: Um. Yes. Many MLAs did, as did I when I spoke. As did the presenter after me. Did you not listen to the Hearing? I was there for the full 3 days.
David Amos
Reply to @Mélissa Richard: Perhaps we should talk I just left a message on what I hope was the voicemail to your office
Samual Johnston 
Reply to @Mélissa Richard: evidence as in facts....not stories. But you have Amos that agrees with you so that is something I guess
Bartholomew Palmer
Reply to @Serge Ibak: ditto
David Amos 
Reply to @Samual Johnston: Methinks you just stated a mouthful for the benefit of your buddy Mr Cardy N'esy Pas?

















Michel Pelletier
The question to this, if there was a vaccin de stop de spread of cancer, heart disease and so would still refuse to take the vaccin


Stephen Kotyck 
Bob Smith 
Reply to @Stephen Kotyck: Anti-vaxxer links...I was waiting for this to pop up.
Stephen Kotyck 
Reply to @Bob Smith: Actually Bob, links based in science, lots of science. Read them and prove me wrong, I strongly suggest you won't be able to, but give it a try, worst case you'll learn something new today.
Bob Smith  
Reply to @Stephen Kotyck: Links like these are based on pseudo science and false statements...all I see is fringe folks trying to get people to expose their children to diseases they can be safe from.
Samual Johnston 
Reply to @Stephen Kotyck: so have your read all of the information saying vaccines are a good thing for society? Can you honestly say you disagree with it all? This is the same as saying man never landed on the moon. Lots of writing saying it never happened but....come on.
Alex Forbes
Reply to @Michel Pelletier: Lifestyle is the best defense against almost all ailments (especially lifestyle ones like cancer and heart disease)
David Amos
Reply to @Alex Forbes: True
Mélissa Richard  
Reply to @Michel Pelletier:
Actually no, that’s not the question. What if vaccines can cause cancer, autoimmune disorders, allergies, neurological issues, eczema, death, etc..?

Are unvaccinated healthier than vaccinated children?
Emerging science is showing that yes, unvaccinated are healthier.

There are so many questions. Yours is irrelevant, sorry. I think they call that a Red Herring or a Straw-man argument.
Mélissa Richard  
Reply to @Bob Smith:
Funny how the vaccine hesitant are the only ones ever to back up their claims. And the pro vax proceed to insulting their character; yet, never provide anything to back up there claims.

Here’s a statement, since you claim how safe vaccines are, debunk this:
There has never been ANY double-blind, placebo research on ANY of the childhood vaccines; nor, the mix of vaccines in the current vaccine schedule.

Here’s something else: Our babies today get 70 vaccines by the time they are 16.
Mélissa Richard  
Reply to @Samual Johnston: Show me the SCIENCE that claims vaccines are good for society. I’ll wait.
Serge Ibak  
Reply to @Mélissa Richard: thank you. The debate should stop with your post. Produce the studies, explain why the schedule is increasing at such a rapid pace with dozens more to be added to the recommended list. Otherwise let's take a pause.





Education minister rips into vaccine opponents as hearings open




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David Amos
Methinks the not so honourable Minister Cardy is well aware that he can't pass any new laws until the next Prime Minister gets around to appointing a new LT Governor Hence in the "mean" time this is all just hot air N'esy Pas? 















Stephen Kotyck
"Dominic Cardy told a committee of MLAs that opponents of vaccination are conspiracy theorists who "influence, mislead and deceive" parents into thinking their children are at risk if they are vaccinated. "

""This is not supported in fact," Cardy said. "If you believe in evidence-based decision-making, you have to look at the evidence, and the evidence is incontrovertible."

Dominic Cardy, is completely ignorant of both the science and the very real risks of vaccines. The risks are listed on the vaccine insert which comes with every vaccine, so for him to say "the evidence is incontrovertible", then perhaps he can share with us his incontrovertible evidence, because it does not exist.

Dominic needs to spend some time reviewing the scientific proof to the contrary on the site https://childrenshealthdefense.org/

If he continues to insist on mandating the injection of known neurotoxins into school age children he best be prepared to explain to the parents how the education ministry is going to take full financial liability for the lives the mandate ruins for children who experience vaccine adverse events. No financial liability no mandate, which shouldn't be a problem for him as the "evidence is incontrovertible", right Dominic! 



David Amos
Reply to @Stephen Kotyck: Methinks folks should say hey to the questionable minister who sent me treats in the mail before the last election Now he don't call and don't write for obvious reasons N'esy Pas?















John Smith
immunologists do not agree with the mob


David Amos
Reply to @john smith: Speaking of the mob Google "David Amos wiretap" and you will know some of what Cardy has known since 2004


















Terrance Thomasen
You go Dom. Don't even speak with the anti vaxxers or allow them a podium.


David Amos 
Reply to @Terrance Thomasen: Methinks thats democracy from a conservative point of view N'esy Pas? 
 



John Smith
bill gates polio vaccine has injured over 47000 ukraine india and africa many pregnant and young mothers in africa will run into the woods when who shows up in their village based on numerous deaths and injuries


John Smith
Reply to @john smith: bill gates also refuses to vaccinate his own kids
John Smith
Reply to @john smith: sorry thats just the india numbers it was more in ukraine and uncountable amount in africa


John Smith  
Reply to @Bob Smith: do some hard research on it i bet you change your mind


David Amos 
Reply to @john smith: Methinks you should take your own advice N'esy Pas?
















Marc Tremblay
Chiropractics is to medicine what Scientology is to religion. The earth is flat, Polio and Smallpox actually helped you, and we never landed on the moon. And autism (whatever that means in 2019 to the dismay of people who actually suffer from the affliction) is cause by VACCINES. This must be the other side of the story she’s talking about. Please go back to the dark ages you time traveler you.


David Amos  
Reply to @Marc Tremblay: Methinks you seem bitter about something N'esy Pas?














Ben Haroldson
Quite arr o gant, con fron tational, and a no itall, legend in his own mind politician, that is Cardy's way. But I do support vaccination

David Amos  
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: I don't as is my right


















Mark Butler
The U.S. Health Resources & Services Administration (HRSA) revealed that, since 1988, approximately $4.1 billion has been paid out in compensation to victims of vaccine injury, If parents are forced to have their children vaccinated, will the government give compensation? I doubt it since it would bankrupt the province.


Alex Locke
Reply to @Mark Butler:
Meaningless in terms of whether vaccines are safe or not. The vaccine injury compensation program was set up to fend off spurious lawsuits against vaccine makers that only had to pass a low bar of convincing a jury that maybe the vaccine caused some injury. Vaccine makers were going to back off making much-needed vaccines. The compensation program itself is a no-fault system, and a payout does not prove there was an injury caused by a vaccine.
Dusty Green
Reply to @Alex Locke: Also- that 4.1 billion number is way off, and is touted around as "proof" that vaccines are dangerous. The number that anti-vaxxers throw around from the VICP program in the states is the full cost of hiring lawyers, only a tiny number of cases actually make it through and are given money, but even within those cases- there is no link between the vaccination and the patients symptoms. Anti-vaxxers should visit the VICP website, where it breaks down this process.
David Amos
Reply to @Alex Locke: Methinks the legal game supported by a questionable court was just a function of lawyers protecting their well heeled clients N'esy Pas?
















Awistoyus Nahasthay
I'm about as anti-Con as you can be, but, for this Bill, even I can see that NB Cons deserve credit here. This Bill should pass with ALL party support, and any party (or individual MLA) that votes against it should be soundly run out of office next election.
Now, if only they would bring this level of evidence based decision making to the rest of their policies...but perhaps that is too much to ask.



David Amos 
Reply to @Awistoyus Nahasthay: Yea right
















Marguerite Deschamps
 Car - D; from an NDP to a CONservative! These two are lightyears away in their ideologies.


David Amos  
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you should not complain because Cardy also supports you and your SANB cohorts N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @David Amos: he is just a big hippo who can't be trusted.!
David Amos 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: You should know


















Wade MacGregor
The proposed legislation is too weak. Failing to get your child vaccinated is culpable neglect that could cause your child's death. Vaccination should be mandatory for all children; failure to vaccinate should be considered grounds for removal of the child.


David Amos  
Reply to @Wade MacGregor: Methinks some folks may be having a little Deja Vu about the sixties scoop after reading your words N'esy Pas?

Alexandre Hilton
Reply to @Wade MacGregor: As long as we can take children away from people who claim their 5 year olds are 'trans' and start injecting them with hormone, I'll agree with you.
John Smith
Reply to @Alexandre Hilton: this is the jurisdiction they are trying to claim here the jurisdiction over ones body
Mac Isaac
Reply to @john smith: When your "jurisdiction" starts to impact MY "jurisdiction", that's where we, as a society, have the absolute inalienable right to say: STOP! This absolutely (again) is comparable to what happens when a number of children don't get vaccinated and affects the health of others around him/her. THAT is precisely why society MUST demand ALL children be vaccinated and re-vaccinated as needed. Canadians are a nation of laws, but unlike the Americans with their "individual rights" that has been actually written into their laws and constitution, Canadians (and most of the rest of the world) has recognized the lunacy of this kind of thinking: the "whole" is far, far, far more important than the "individual"! This is Canada; this is New Brunswick...if you're such a believer in your individual rights may I suggest you go where that philosophy logically should take you!  
John Smith
Reply to @Mac Isaac: if your vaccinated why worry
John Smith
Reply to @Mac Isaac: the individuals right should be sought to be the highest form of rights your thought process leads to authoritarian rule whats next forced chips so teh hospital can track your excercise and big mac intake
David Amos 
Reply to @john smith: Methinks we should all worry about the well being of parents who could lose their children because of the actions of questionable political dudes like Cardy N'esy Pas?
Stephen Kotyck 
Reply to @Wade MacGregor: Getting your child vaccinated is culpable neglect that could cause your child's death. That's why vaccination is not mandatory for all children, vaccinating should be considered grounds for removal of the child.
















Darlene Hunter Archibald
I’m appalled after listening to much of the testimony today that such a biased view is being reported.

If there is any risk (and there is), there must be a choice.



David Amos  
Reply to @Darlene Hunter Archibald: I wholeheartedly agree

















Murray Brown
Congratulations to Mr. Cardy... This country needs more politicians who stand up to groups who specialize in inflaming and resurrecting conspiracy theories that are detrimental to our society. In Pakistan aid workers have been murdered and threatened by a populace that has been fed superstitions about polio vaccinations... Imagine the state of this country and our healthcare system if people in the 60s and 70s had refused to have their children vaccinated against polio. Smallpox has been eradicated from our planet thanks to vaccines and it only took 180 years to do so... Before that smallpox had killed hundreds of millions of humans throughout the world for eons. Vaccines work. Period!


David Amos  
Reply to @Murray Brown: Methinks we all know that you think Mr Higgs and his cohorts can do no wrong N'esy Pas?
















Ellen Roach
The important thing to keep sight of is everyone is trying to do what they think is best by their children. Peer reviewed research exists on both sides of this issue. That is not debatable. Anytime anyone calls into question the decisions parents make on behalf of their children mama bear comes out roaring. Values and beliefs have deep roots. If both sides are unable to see a compromise this issue may never be resolved . The defamation of character/ accusatory manner this government had laid out is deplorable. On the other side , it is important to have an open mind. However some people’s minds are so open their brain falls out.
Are you pro choice? Are you a libertarian? Do you support political freedom and autonomy?
I think these are the questions New Brunswickers should be asking themselves 



Bob Smith  
Reply to @Ellen Roach: There is no peer reviewed research that argues against vaccination...that is wrong.
Awistoyus Nahasthay 
Reply to @Ellen Roach:
I challenge you to cite even one article calling into question the safety of vaccines form a respected peer reviewed journal!
I'll help you out...you can't do it.
And, quite frankly, I don't give a damn about anybody's deep rooted values and beliefs when those values and beliefs put the lives of innocent children at risk, and to argue that you do have that right is the height of arrogance and selfishness!
David Amos  
Reply to @Awistoyus Nahasthay: "to argue that you do have that right is the height of arrogance and selfishness!"

Methinks you should look in the mirror sometime N'esy Pas?
Awistoyus Nahasthay 
Reply to @David Amos:
Perhaps you should crack a dictionary?
John Smith
Reply to @Awistoyus Nahasthay: but you can find papers suggesting female dogs are mistreated at dog parks which was a prank to prove your righteousness false it was made just for you

















SarahRose Werner
I'm looking out my window to see if pigs are flying yet. Dominic Cardy and I actually agree on something, so I figure the flying pigs are due any minute now.


David Amos  
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Methinks you should take a nap and perhaps the strange pigs will be gone when you awake N'esy Pas?
















Errol Willis
I don't agree with much this Liberal government says, especially Cardy, but he is right on this one. People trust foolishness they read on teh internet more than trained professionals. The medical equivalent of Trump's GOP


David Amos   
Reply to @Errol Willis: Methinks Cardy is still a Conservative for the time being anyway N'esy Pas?















Joe Campbell
I also wonder if anti-vaxers take antibiotics if they get serious infections? Would that make them hypocrite?


Bob Smith 
Reply to @Joe Campbell: If anti-vaxers need an operation, do they not realize the operating room is sterilized before the procedure? The instruments are as well...and all for safety/health reasons.
David Amos
Reply to @Joe Campbell: How are the two issues even remotely related?
David Amos
Reply to @Bob Smith: Whats your point?







 








Greg Miller
Simple -- "no tickee no laundry"! No vaccine no schooling. This has been and should be the rule. End of discussion!


Junkman George 
Reply to @Greg Miller:

That is the current existing law, with 2 exceptions: medical and religious. The law has simply not been enforced, by the schools, and the public health nurse. Probably due to funding cuts and because the funding is still cut don't expect anything to change.
ALL you are witness to is a smokescreen. Folks appearing to be doing, but not really doing, and certainly not fixing what is wrong with our schools.
David Amos
Reply to @Junkman George: YUP
Junkman George 
Reply to @David Amos:

Just so "distracted" we can't see (or another "D" word).


















Joe Campbell
I am sure if you talk to most of the anti-vaxers, they probably have been vaccinated. So they never got sick from the measles or any of the other diseases the we get shots for. Parents of the kids are all still alive...wonder why?


David Amos 
Reply to @Joe Campbell: Methinks a lot folks my age and older had the measles and chickpox etc long before a vaccination for such things was dreamed up by big pharma N'esy Pas?
Errol Willis
Reply to @David Amos: Maybe so ....and look - you can't put together a sentence without "methinks" and the unquenchable need to post on every single comment.

That warrants vaccines for me.
Junkman George 
Reply to @David Amos:

You must be older than I, or my mother.
We were both lined up at school (not together, 35 years apart) and vaccinated, within weeks of starting grade 1, by the public health nurse. Of course not in NB, so I can't speak to what went on here, or didn't go on.
David Amos  
Reply to @Junkman George: I was vaccinated as well I also went into a coma and also had measles and chickenpox later
Randy McNally
Reply to @David Amos: I would agree. I was born in the early 50's. The only shots I have had were the norm for that time including polio, smallpox, diphtheria and tb. I've had the chicken pox, rubella, red measles and mumps and I'm sure my immune system is stronger for it.
















Brian Spence
Did you know that Canada locked up Pacifists during WW2.
Apparently these Canadians weren't willing to take ( or get ) shots. ( for the team )



David Amos   
Reply to @Brian Spence: Methinks history has a bad habit of repeating itself Cardy and his cohorts know that I have been locked twice thus far even though the Feds try to deny it Truth is stranger than fiction N'esy Pas?


Junkman George
Reply to @Brian Spence:

That's not what I was told. I was told they were all hiding in the woods of Quebec. 
















Brian Spence
Who is paying all the pro-vaxers?


Bob Smith 
Reply to @Brian Spence: You mean, people such as doctors? You know, the ones who practice medicine and aren't chiropractors like Churchill? In Canada, Medicare covers the doctors. I trust their opinion over a pediatrician from California any day.
Alex Forbes 
Reply to @Bob Smith: You do realize your argument is cyclical. You have pharmaceutical lobbyists paying off the government and giving kickbacks to pharmacists and doctors. You have politicians pushing state paid health care which pays the doctors who prescribe the vaccines at request of the government. They are all in cahoots.
Bob Smith  
Reply to @Alex Forbes: My argument ends with this...vaccines work.
David Amos   
Reply to @Alex Forbes: BINGO
Alex Forbes 
Reply to @Bob Smith: Placebos work too...















Alex Forbes
Until they remove blood from all mandatory vaccines people can easily challenge this on religious grounds.


David Amos  
Reply to @Alex Forbes: What about mercury etc?

Alex Forbes
Reply to @David Amos: I am just talking about religious objections. Health objections are another matter and I agree with you also. 
 

John Smith
Reply to @Alex Forbes: what about aborted fetus tissue never mind all teh sleeper viruses just waiting to species leap through these vaccines sv40 anyone saved ya from polio and swine but hey it gives ya cancer 















Brian Spence
Let's buy some scientists to tell us to do more of what is good for us and less of what is bad for us.
(hint) Cannabis -good, alc, tabac and harma-drugs - bad.
But I'm sure that you knew that, already, by the way, that they, make you feel.



David Amos  
Reply to @Brian Spence: Exactly












Ellen Roach
One of the most unfortunate things of this whole proposed bill is what has resulted because of it. There is credible peer reviewed research for both arguments. That is not debatable. Whenever anyone’s choices in regards to decisions they make on behalf of their children are brought into question mama bear comes out roaring. Everyone is only substantiating their values and beliefs. The ridicule parents are imposing on each other by questioning their decisions as responsible parents is disheartening.


David Amos  

Reply to @Ellen Roach: Well put
Brian Spence
Get your religious vaccinations here.
We don't vaccinate you against all religions, just the wrong ones.
You can't go to school or buy food, if you don't believe.
Get your science vaccinations here.
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Brian Spence: and don't forget to pay your taxes in order to support this nonsense















Lucinda Sanschagrin
Your vaccination schedule for next year... fifty shots because the minister says so.
Are you ok with that? Do you need any surgical mesh or biocell implants?



David Amos 
Reply to @lucinda sanschagrin: Methinks I can think of 50 ways to dump a turncoat Minister in the next election N'esy Pas?
Junkman George 
Reply to @David Amos:

I wouldn't count on it, he's pretty slippery, who knows next incarnation he may be a Liberal.
David Amos  
Reply to @Junkman George: Methinks odds are that he will turn Green next time N'esy Pas?
Randy McNally
Reply to @David Amos: I think I seen him turning yesterday - a couple of times

















Bob Smith
It's easy for the ani-vaxxers to talk...spread misinformation and conspiracy talk with no evidence to back up the accusations. After the cameras are down, they go back to their home province or country and leave everyone here to make the decisions that don't affect them.


David Amos 
Reply to @Bob Smith: Methinks you find it rather easy too N'esy Pas?















Lucinda Sanschagrin
They are over vaccinating dogs. I guess it's our turn now.


David Amos
Reply to @lucinda sanschagrin: Methinks many would agree that you and your hero Cardy are the ones who need a dictionary N'esy Pas? 

















Dwight Mullover
 It is quite amazing how seemingly intelligent people believe the mistruths of social media rather than believe proven results and scientific based evidence that vaccines work and save millions of lives. I support the Minister new law.


David Amos 
Reply to @Dwight Mullover: Methinks you may have partaken of too much fluoridated water N'esy Pas?

 
Alex Forbes
Reply to @Dwight Mullover: It's quite amazing the number of seemingly intelligent people who believe everything our government says even though time and time again they have proven they are only in it for themselves and their corporate donors.
Roger Richard
Reply to @Dwight Pullover: Are you talking about Health Canada?















Wayne Mac Arthur
Ms Curchill and Mr Sears seem to know little of what goes on in some parts of the world where they cannot afford to vaccinate the population . Children die in alarming numbers. How can they ignore that ? Personal choice cannot be allowed to trump protection of the public.


David Amos  
Reply to @Wayne Mac Arthur: Have ever heard of the WHO Flu and Baxter?

Roger Richard
Reply to @David Amos: Please explain. I, for one, got busy with life and did not pay enough attention to what was going on.
David Amos 
Reply to @Roger Richard: Trust that I will call you and expanse but anyone can Google the WHO Flu circa 2009.Trust that it was quite a world wide circus.However hen New Brunswick got involved in Baxter's play for the big score withe WHO Flu Dr. Paul Van Buynder the deputy chief medical health officer for NB tried to have me arrested while his wife was promoting the vaccine.
David Amos 
Reply to @Roger Richard: You have mail




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From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 14:47:34 -0300
Subject: Methinks I should remind Mr Cardy and his cohorts about what
went down between the NB vaccination expert Dr. Paul Van Buynderand
and I 10 years ago N'esy Pas?
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Health,  July 29, 2009 - Miramichi
H1N1 pandemic update
Dr. Paul Van Buynder, deputy chief medical officer of health, provided
an update on the H1N1 pandemic on Thursday, July 30, in Miramichi.
From left: Dr. Denis Allard, regional medical officer of health, East
Region; Van Buynder; and Ginette Pellerin, director of Public Health
for Regional Health Authority B - Miramichi zone 7 and Moncton zone 1.



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/mandatory-vaccination-students-new-brunswick-hearing-1.5263933


MLAs struggle with how to vote on mandatory vaccination for students bill

Law amendments committee hears from New Brunswick Pharmacists'
Association on final day of hearings

Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Aug 29, 2019 3:23 PM AT


397 comments

David Amos
Methinks i should remind Mr Cardy and his cohorts about what went down
10 years ago between New Brunswick's vaccination expert Dr. Paul Van
Buynder the deputy chief medical officer of health and I N'esy Pas?



So Dr Van Buynder are you and the politicians still attempting to call
me crazy today? Also do you have apersonal lawyer?

Sep 28, 2009 at 10:40 PM
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David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
To: Van Buynder, Dr. Paul (DH/MS) <Paul.VanBuynder@gnb.ca>,
ken.ross@gnb.ca, Penny Bright <waterpressure@gmail.com>
Cc: drcarley <drcarley@drcarley.com>, jane burgermeister
<janeburgermeister@gmx.at>, Alexander S Jones
<jones.alexander39@gmail.com>, hazelbitsnaturals
<hazelbitsnaturals@hotmail.com
>, Alex Hunter
<ahunter100@shaw.ca>more...

I must ask Minister Mike Murphy how many Death Threats should I
recieve and and how many times should my children be sexually
harrassed before it is proper from me to sue the Crown and you as
well? Call me crazy but I take such things kinda personal.

You and T.J. Burke got your knickers in quite a knot years ago over a
mere weathergirl statement correct? What would you do Mikey if you got
locked up in a hospital that you were master of disater of and
assaulted and injected with drugs based on false allegations while
bloggers where having a hay day violating your privacy. Then wait for
over a year for an old friend to have it investigated. When i make
inquiries as to the the results of an investigation everybody plays
dumb orI am  told by such people as Megan Cumby not to call back or I
will be arrested AGAIN?? When I finally get talk to Doctor Banic he
PRETENDS that he does not even remember meeting meinside the hospital
that you oversaw as Minister. One thing I do know about myself is that
I am very hard to forget once you have met even briefly. I am certain
that the infamous blogger Chucky Leblanc and his old buddies the
politcal lawyers Bernie Lord and Bruce Noble would have to agree with
that simple statement.

On the topic of what I call the WHO FLU whats gonna happen if a lot of
folks you serve and protect get sick and jam up the hospital just
because they took Van Buynder's advice and people become aware of this
email before the news broke about the flu shot today EH? Well Mikey
Baby now that you are the Attorney General do ya wanna settle on
behalf of the CROWN or wait until I sue ya personally too?

Scroll down you can never deny that you didn't ask the RCMP to
investigate my concerns long before the stock market took a dive. Now
that all the taxpayers have top up your pension plan losses to the
tune of what was 300 million a year, I must ask the obvious question.
Do you think that you and all the overpaid bureaucrat have even earned
your wages let alone deserve a pension when legions of taxpayers are
losing their jobs and their life savings as well because people such
as yourself refused to act within the scope of your employments since
I first began making the CROWN aware of my concerns in early 2002???

In closing in must say the Dr may wish to call me crazy again because
I don't show resopect to power or position. In my book respect is
earned not demanded and I feel compeeld to remind him of an Oath TO DO
NO HARM if he has no conscience at all. I am not crazy because I
disagree with his decions and offer evidence to support that thinkinf.
It is still supposed to be a democracy CORRECT? As far as that
outspoken French dude on welfare Chucky Leblanc methinks he bites the
hand that feeds way too much to suit mean old me. His constant
bitching in his blog about shady six million daollar deal during the
flood is chump change. If you wish to make abig splash locally look to
the budgets then apply the same problem globally.

This email is about the heath of all people and the world economy. Get
it stupid?

I guess i should forward this email to New Zealand because I thinking
about moving there. I hear they like bike mechanics down there and i
can't get a job to keep me out of the cold up here. It appears nobody
wants me around because the politicans and the cops have put the word
out. Thus before I go I really should keep my word file some some
rather imporatant in Federal Court N'esy pas? Methinks for the benfit
of my conscience and the well being of others I should file something
about the FLU first. However I really think I should file about my
rights under Section 2 of the Charter. everybody and hiis dog knows I
was very illegally banished fot the Legislative properties in 2004
while I was running in the election of the 38th Parliament of Canada
and are to chicken to talk about it because my lawsuit would be a slam
dunk then CORRECT?

Veritas Vincit
David Raymond Amos
.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/science/study-prompts-provinces-to-rethink-flu-plan/article1303330/

Study prompts provinces to rethink flu plan

•Working to keep the flu out of the pews
•Ontario delays fall flu shots over H1N1 threat
•Kids will require two H1N1 shots
. Article Comments (63) Patrick White

Winnipeg — From Monday's Globe and Mail
Last updated on Monday, Sep. 28, 2009 08:27AM EDT

.A “perplexing” Canadian study linking H1N1 to seasonal flu shots is
throwing national influenza plans into disarray and testing public
faith in the government agencies responsible for protecting the
nation's health.

Distributed for peer review last week, the study confounded
infectious-disease experts in suggesting that people vaccinated
against seasonal flu are twice as likely to catch swine flu.

The paper is under peer review, and lead researchers Danuta Skowronski
of the British Columbia Centre for Disease Control and Gaston De
Serres of Laval University must stay mum until it's published.

Met with intense early skepticism both in Canada and abroad, the paper
has since convinced several provincial health agencies to announce
hasty suspensions of seasonal flu vaccinations, long-held fixtures of
public-health planning.

“It has confused things very badly,” said Dr. Ethan Rubinstein, head
of adult infectious diseases at the University of Manitoba. “And it
has certainly cost us credibility from the public because of
conflicting recommendations. Until last week, there had always been
much encouragement to get the seasonal flu vaccine.”

On Sunday Quebec joined Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario and Nova Scotia
in suspending seasonal flu shots for anyone under 65 years of age.
Quebec's Health Ministry announced it would postpone vaccinations
until January, clearing the autumn months for health professionals to
focus on vaccinating against H1N1, which is expected to the more
severe influenza strain this season.

“By the time the H1N1 wave is over, there will be ample time to
vaccinate for seasonal flu,” Dr. Rubinstein said.

B.C. is expected to announce a similar suspension during a press
conference Monday morning.

Other provinces, including Manitoba, are still pondering a response to
the research.

New Brunswick is a lone hold-out, announcing last week it would forge
ahead with seasonal flu shots for all residents in October, as
originally planned.

So far, the study's impact is confined to Canada. Researchers in the
U.S., Britain and Australia have not reported the same phenomenon.
Marie-Paule Kieny, the World Health Organization's director of vaccine
research, said last week the Canadian findings were an international
anomaly and could constitute a “study bias.”

An international panel is currently scrutinizing the research data.
“The review process has been expedited, so we're hoping for a response
within days,” said Roy Wadia, spokesman for the B.C. Centre for
Disease Control.

Dr. Rubinstein, who has read the study, said it appears sound.

“There are a large number of authors, all of them excellent and
credible researchers,” he said. “And the sample size is very large –
12 or 13 million people taken from the central reporting systems in
three provinces. The research is solid.”

The vaccine suspensions do not apply for people over 65. Seniors are
considered more susceptible to severe seasonal flu symptoms. At the
same time, they carry antibodies from a 1957 pandemic that seem to
neutralize the current version of H1N1.

Even if the statistical link is proven, the medical link between
seasonal flu shots and H1N1 remains mysterious. One hypothesis
suggests seasonal flu vaccine preoccupies the cells that would
otherwise produce antibodies against H1N1.

But, according to Dr. Rubinstein, the research shows that people who
received the seasonal shot during the 2007-08 flu season remained
vulnerable to swine flu well into 2009 – an interval that should
provide most immune systems ample restoration time.

“We don't understand the mechanism,” Dr. Rubinstein said. “At the
present time it is quite perplexing.”

From: "Van Buynder, Dr. Paul (DH/MS)"<Paul.VanBuynder@gnb.ca>
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:02:56 -0300
Subject: RE: RE the WHO FLU and another instance in which an evil
Zionist's wish is my command?
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>, drcarley
<drcarley@drcarley.com>, jane burgermeister
<janeburgermeister@gmx.at>, Alexander S Jones
<jones.alexander39@gmail.com>, hazelbitsnaturals
<hazelbitsnaturals@hotmail.com>, Alex Hunter <ahunter100@shaw.ca>,
Penny Bright <waterpressure@gmail.com>, jacques_poitras
<jacques_poitras@cbc.ca>, chiefape@gmail.com, danddbroadcasting
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<Mary.Schryer@gnb.ca>, "Ross, Ken (DH/MS)"<ken.ross@gnb.ca>, "Graham,
Shawn"<Shawn.Graham@gnb.ca>, Dan Fitzgerald <danf@danf.net>,
oldmaison@yahoo.com, Richard Harris <injusticecoalition@hotmail.com>,
"Foster, Ken (DH/MS)"<ken.foster@gnb.ca>, "DH-MS (DH/MS)"
<DhMs@gnb.ca>, "Richard, Jerry (DH/MS)"<jerry.richard@gnb.ca>, "Van
Buynder, Jan (DH/MS)"<Jan.VanBuynder@gnb.ca>, "(DH/MS)OCMOH - Office
of the Chief Medical Officer of Health"<PHCentralOfficeStaff@gnb.ca>
Cc: Barry Winters <sunrayzulu@shaw.ca>, rebeccaphb@yahoo.com, hubert
<hubert@uinr.ca>, splitting_the_sky <splitting_the_sky@yahoo.com>,
Mohawk Nation News <kahentinetha2@yahoo.com>, "Ignatieff. M"
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michael.bernard@greenparty.ca, Harper.S@parl.gc.ca, andrew
<andrew@andrewhouse.ca>, Byron Prior <alltrue@nl.rogers.com>,
DannyWilliams <DannyWilliams@gov.nl.ca>, "William J. Wagener"
<producer@onsecondthought.tv>

Dear Mr Amos,

I have received today numerous emails from you.  My staff have also
received a number of phone calls.  They have been instructed not to
respond and not to tolerate any abuse.

I would consider further calls and emails harassment and would need to
involve the police.  Please stop.

I am concerned from the tone of your emails that you may not be well
at present.  Can I strongly urge you to consult with your physician
for a review as soon as possible.

Dr Paul Van Buynder
Deputy Chief Medical Officer / Médecin-hygiéniste en chef adjoint
New Brunswick Department of Health / Ministère de la Santé Nouveau-Brunswick
Tel: (506) 444-2719
Fax: (506) 453-8702
Cell: (506) 470-1612
paul.vanbuynder@gnb.ca
-----Original Message-----
From: David Amos [mailto:david.raymond.amos@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 2:32 PM
To: drcarley; jane burgermeister; Alexander S Jones;
hazelbitsnaturals; Alex Hunter; Penny Bright; jacques_poitras;
chiefape@gmail.com; danddbroadcasting; Van Buynder, Dr. Paul (DH/MS);
Murphy, Michael B. (Hon.) (JUS); Schryer, Hon. Mary (DH/MS); Ross, Ken
(DH/MS); Graham, Shawn; Dan Fitzgerald; oldmaison@yahoo.com; Richard
Harris; Foster, Ken (DH/MS); DH-MS (DH/MS); Richard, Jerry (DH/MS);
Van Buynder, Jan (DH/MS)
Cc: Barry Winters; rebeccaphb@yahoo.com; hubert; splitting_the_sky;
Mohawk Nation News; Ignatieff. M; Jack - M.P. Layton; Duceppe. G;
catharine.johannson@greenparty.ca; maureen.murphy@greenparty.ca;
michael.bernard@greenparty.ca; Harper.S@parl.gc.ca; andrew; Byron
Prior; DannyWilliams; William J. Wagener
Subject: RE the WHO FLU and another instance in which an evil
Zionist's wish is my command?

Barry Baby

Scroll down Thanks to you this email is most excellent fodder for a
lawsuit and a book or two as well.

Also THANX bigtime for publishing many malicious comments in and about
my Youtube about you, sending me the proof that many others received
the same emails as you have in recent days and then topping it all off
by publishing a portion of my communictions with many people about the
WHO FLU within your malicious blog.

BTW You did  it all while I was talking to the Media dude for the
Green Party about your blog. Not that was truly wickedly funny. talk
about information overload.

In return for your malicious nonsense I will post this email in my
blog. You know were to look already N'esy Pas Mr tough talking noname
evil Zionist? Try to deny that you use UK font again will ya? It fun
sometimes to expose your obvious BULLSHIT.

Just Dave
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For the record (that ain't a Yankee expression) in my humble opinion
if the Green Party of Canada clues in, seizes the moment and climbs up
the right side of this WHO FLU issue ASAP just as the Canadian Action
Party already has done long ago Harper may have the election he seeks
but without the results he longs for. Despite all their huffing and
puffing we all know that Iggy and Layton fear an election greatly.
However if honest Canadians have any luck at all it may turn out to be
Stevey Boy Harper's Waterloo. Hell maybe even a few Greens, some CAP
folks and a few more Independents may get elected to properly take a
seat in the House of Commons and a chance to act ethically for the on
behalf of the public's interests. If after the next can of worms is
kicked over public corruption is discussed in a far more serious
fashion during all the talks from the various soap boxes outside of
the corrupt corporate media's domain a lot of professional politicians
could be greatly embarassed. Do ya think CBC or CTV or Gobal will say
two words about it all? However many bloggers and Youtubes may step up
to the plate. It would be wonderful to turn the worm on all the
political cromies and their corporate buddies. Wouldn't it be neat for
Common Canadians Citizens to debate the Green Party and the Action
Party etc without Harper or Iggy or Layton being allowed to muck
things up with their Bullshit? Hell of a pipe dream EH Mr Duceppe?

Mr Baconfat perhaps while you are trying hard to impeach my character
in your next round od evil posts you should consider publishing some
of Becky's words too. Even though she hates mean old me nearly as much
as you do at least she is on the right side of this issue. Thus you
must hate her too correct? Maybe you should pick a fight with her? I
know for a fact that she loves a good scrap.

Veritas Vncit
David Raymond Amos

P.S. Say Hoka Hey to your pals in the PCO office for me will ya Mr Baconfat?

From: Barry Winters <sunrayzulu@shaw.ca>
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:05:06 -0600
Subject: Charlie!
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>

September 25, 2009
Charles Manson...reborn
David Raymond Amos "amerkan" pedophile, anti-Semite.... and Charlie Manson
doppleganger?

David lift your hair up ...is there a swastika "tat" on your forhead? It
would explain a lot of your behaviour (note the spelling lol)

Tell Werner not to cum in yer mouth...lol
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Cc: <Harper.S@parl.gc.ca>; "Ignatieff. M"<Ignatieff.M@parl.gc.ca>; "Jack -
M.P. Layton"<Layton.J@parl.gc.ca>; "Duceppe. G"<Duceppe.G@parl.gc.ca>;
<leader@greenparty.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:48 AM
Subject: Fwd: [Just Dave] New comment on Me and Bush.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Raymond Amos <noreply-comment@blogger.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:43:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Just Dave] New comment on Me and Bush.
To: David.Raymond.Amos@gmail.com

David Raymond Amos has left a new comment on the post "Me and Bush":

BINGO EH MR Baconfat? I bet the diddler Dana Durnford and your buddy
Dirty Dicky Dean ain't even got the first clue what this is about. In
fact neither do you EH pussy?

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From: David Amos david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:49:29 -0300
Subject: RE the Russian President and dissidents to Obama Howcome his
people NEVER answered my letters or emails or returned my calls
To: info@rusembassy.ca, Dan Fitzgerald
danf@danf.net, "t.j.burke@gnb.ca"t.j.burke@gnb.ca, Barry Winters
sunrayzulu@shaw.ca, drbilldeagle drbilldeagle@hotmail.com
Cc: VanLoan.P@parl.gc.ca, vanlop1@parl.gc.ca, "MichaelB. Murphy"
MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca, "PATRICK. MURPHY"PATRICK.MURPHY@dhs.gov

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jzUtXehTJd_j3Mfd1oHKVna2eodwD9ANTO9G4

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:25:19 -0300
Subject: FYI THE DOINGS BETWEEN RUMSFELD, OBAMA'S MONEY DUDES AND ME
SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF DR BILL
To: jane burgermeister jmburgermeister@gmail.com
Cc: Campbell Rebecca rebeccaphb@yahoo.com

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7625601/Rumdfeld-PhRMA



On 9/25/09, David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: "Ross, Ken (DH/MS)"<ken.ross@gnb.ca>
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 08:43:31 -0300
> Subject: Re: Hey Ken Who is Mental Health's and the Hospital in
> Fredericton's lawyers?
> To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>
> Got your messages Dave. I am in Toronto for meetings and will be back
> in the office Friday. I will ask Barb Whitenect to follow up with you
> in the interim. Yes Herby picked up ypur bike a while back.
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> To: Ross, Ken (DH/MS); Whitenect, Barbara (DH/MS); Murphy, Michael B.
> (DH/MS)
> Cc: Santerre, Rosaire (DH/MS); Pitre, Marc (DH/MS); Eidt, David
> (OAG/CPG); oldmaison@yahoo.com<oldmaison@yahoo.com>; Cyr, Judy
> (DH/MS); Burke, T.J. (Hon.) (JUS); police@fredericton.ca
> <police@fredericton.ca>; Levesque, Carrie (DH/MS); Elgee, Anne
> (DH/MS); danny.copp@fredericton.ca<danny.copp@fredericton.ca>;
> jacques.boucher@rcmp-grc.gc.ca<jacques.boucher@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>
> Sent: Wed Jul 09 07:03:13 2008
> Subject: Hey Ken Who is Mental Health's and the Hospital in
> Fredericton's lawyers?
>
> KENNETH ROSS, Assistant Deputy Minister
> Addictions and Mental Health Services / Health
>  Contact Information
> Phone: (506) 457-4800
> Fax: (506) 453-5243
>
> BARBARA WHITENECT, Director
> Addictions and Mental Health Services / Health
> Contact Information
> Phone: (506) 444-4442
> Fax: (506) 453-8711
> EMail Address: Barbara.Whitenect@gnb.ca
>
>
> Sorry to involve you but lets just say that I am really really pissed
> off for very justifiable reasons.
>
> This should prove to some folks that at least I know how to read.
>
> http://www.ahsc.health.nb.ca/Programs/MentalHealth/rights.shtml
>
>  I have no doubt whatsoever that you would more pissed than I am if
> the malicious bullshit that happened to me last weekend had happened
> to you.
>
> I will try to call you in business hours but I suspect in the end I
> will wind up arguing this dude in court in short order. (On a lighter
> note did Herby pick up my bike?)
>
> David Eidt
> Legal Services
> Office of the Attorney General
> Tel: (506) 453-3964
> Fax: (506) 453-3275
> david.eidt@gnb.ca
>
> Best Regards
> Dave
>
>
> These emails and the bullshit from the news last year should to all
> that I am as serious as a heart attack and far from mentally unstabe
> but the cops have proven themselves to be monumental liars many times
>
> Subject:
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:35 -0400
> From: "Murphy, Michael B. \(DH/MS\)"MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca
> To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>
>
> January 30, 2007
>
>
> WITHOUT PREJUDICE
>
> Mr. David Amos
>
>
> Dear Mr. Amos:
>
> This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29,
> 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP.
>
> Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have
> taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve
> Graham of the RCMP "J" Division in Fredericton.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Honourable Michael B. Murphy
> Minister of Health
>
> CM/cb
>
> Warren McBeath warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote:
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:34:53 -0500
> From: "Warren McBeath"warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
> To: kilgoursite@ca.inter.net, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca,
> nada.sarkis@gnb.ca, wally.stiles@gnb.ca, dwatch@web.net,
> motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
> CC: ottawa@chuckstrahl.com, riding@chuckstrahl.com,
> John.Foran@gnb.ca, Oda.B@parl.gc.ca,
> "Bev BUSSON"bev.busson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
> "Paul Dube"PAUL.DUBE@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
> Subject: Re: Remember me Kilgour? Landslide Annie McLellan has
> forgotten me but the crooks within the RCMP have n
>
> Dear Mr. Amos,
>
> Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off over
> the holidays and returned to work this evening. Rest assured I was not
> ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns.
>
> As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our position
> is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process
> testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the
> Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these
> services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this
> instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done.
>
> As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false
> imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear that
> Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada and the
> US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment policing in
> Petitcodiac, NB.
>
> It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on
> December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Warren McBeath, Cpl.
> GRC Caledonia RCMP
> Traffic Services NCO
> Ph: (506) 387-2222
> Fax: (506) 387-4622
> E-mail warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>
> charles leblanc oldmaison@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Where are ya living now???? Since the media seem to ignore ya? I'll
> sit down for a debate with a recorder for the blog...Now? Don't get
> all exicted and send this all over the world.....lol
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: David Amos motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
> To: brad.woodside@fredericton.ca; whalen@fredericton.ca;
> david.kelly@fredericton.ca; cathy.maclaggan@fredericton.ca;
> stephen.kelly@fredericton.ca; tom.jellinek@fredericton.ca;
> scott.mcconaghy@fredericton.ca; marilyn.kerton@fredericton.ca;
> walter.brown@fredericton.ca; norah.davidson@fredericton.ca;
> mike.obrien@fredericton.ca; bruce.grandy@fredericton.ca;
> dan.keenan@fredericton.ca; jeff.mockler@gnb.ca;
> mrichard@lawsociety-barreau.nb.ca; cynthia.merlini@dfait-maeci.gc.ca;
> jlmockler@mpor.ca; scotta@parl.gc.ca; michael.bray@gnb.ca;
> jack.e.mackay@gnb.ca
> Cc: news@dailygleaner.com; kcarmichael@bloomberg.net;
> oldmaison@yahoo.com; advocacycollective@yahoo.com;
> Easter.W@parl.gc.ca; Comartin.J@parl.gc.ca; cityadmin@fredericton.ca;
> info@gg.ca; bmosher@mosherchedore.ca; rchedore@mosherchedore.ca;
> police@fredericton.ca; chebert@thestar.ca; Stoffer.P@parl.gc.ca;
> Stronach.B@parl.gc.ca; Matthews.B@parl.gc.ca; alltrue@nl.rogers.com;
> Harper.S@parl.gc.ca; Layton.J@parl.gc.ca; Dryden.K@parl.gc.ca;
> Duceppe.G@parl.gc.ca
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:37:04 PM
> Subject: I promised one of the Fat Fred City cop Randy Reilly that I
> would try to make him famous
>
> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=davidraymondamos&search=Search
>
> A man is only as good as his word EH? To bad priests, bankers,
> politicians, lawyers and cops can't claim the same N'est Pas
>
> http://actionlyme.org/FBI_WIRETAPE_TAPES.htm
>
> FEDERAL EXPRESS February 7, 2006
>
> Senator Arlen Specter
> United States Senate
> Committee on the Judiciary
> 224 Dirksen Senate Office Building
> Washington, DC 20510
>
> Dear Mr. Specter:
>
> I have been asked to forward the enclosed tapes to you from a man
> named, David Amos, a Canadian citizen, in connection with the matters
> raised in the attached letter. Mr. Amos has represented to me that
> these are illegal FBI wire tap tapes. I believe Mr. Amos has been in
> contact with you about this previously.
>
> Very truly yours,
> Barry A. Bachrach
> Direct telephone: (508) 926-3403
> Direct facsimile: (508) 929-3003
> Email: bbachrach@bowditch.com
>
>
>
> http://davidamos.blogspot.com/.
>
> Paulette Delaney-Smith Paulette.Delaney-Smith@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote:
> David,
>
> I received your voice mail, I have been transferred to another unit
> and I am unaware of who is dealing with your complaints at this time.
>
> Paulette Delaney-Smith, Cpl.
> RCMPolice "J" DIvision HQ
>
>
>
> http://gypsy-blog.blogspot.com/2008/03/media-restrains-itself-inexplicably.html
>
> Threat against Burke taken seriously
>
> By STEPHEN LLEWELLYN
> dgleg@nb.aibn.com
> Published Thursday May 24th, 2007
> Appeared on page A1
> An RCMP security detail has been guarding Justice Minister and
> Attorney General T.J. Burke because of threats made against him
> recently.
>
> Burke, the Liberal MLA for Fredericton-Fort Nashwaaksis, wouldn't
> explain the nature of the threats.
>
> "I have had a particular individual or individuals who have made
> specific overtures about causing harm towards me," he told reporters
> Wednesday.
>
> "The RCMP has provided security to me recently by accompanying me to a
> couple of public functions where the individual is known to reside or
> have family members in the area," said Burke. "It is nice to have some
> added protection and that added comfort."
>
> The RCMP provides protection to the premier and MLAs with its VIP security
> unit.
>
> Burke didn't say when the threat was made but it's believed to have
> been in recent weeks.
>
> "When a threat is posed to you and it is a credible threat, you have
> to be cautious about where you go and who you are around," he said.
> "But again, I am more concerned about my family as opposed to my own
> personal safety."
>
> Burke said he doesn't feel any differently and he has not changed his
> pattern of activity.
>
> "It doesn't bother me one bit," he said. "It makes my wife feel awful
> nervous."
>
> Burke served in an elite American military unit before becoming a
> lawyer and going into politics in New Brunswick.
>
> "(I) have taken my own precautions and what I have to do to ensure my
> family's safety," he said. "I am a very cautious person in general due
> to my background and training.
>
> "I am comfortable with defending myself or my family if it ever had to
> happen."
>
> Burke said it is not uncommon for politicians to have security concerns.
>
> "We do live unfortunately in an age and in a society now where threats
> have to be taken pretty seriously," he said.
>
> Since the terrorism attacks in the United States on Sept. 11, 2001,
> security in New Brunswick has been
> beefed up.
>
> Metal detectors were recently installed in the legislature and all
> visitors are screened.
>
> The position of attorney general is often referred to as the
> province's "top cop."
>
> Burke said sometimes people do not differentiate between his role as
> the manager of the justice system and the individual who actually
> prosecutes them.
>
> "With the job sometimes comes threats," he said. "I have had numerous
> threats since Day 1 in office."
>
> Burke said he hopes his First Nations heritage has nothing to do with it.
>
> "I think it is more of an issue where people get fixated on a matter
> and they believe you are personally responsible for assigning them
> their punishment or their sanction," he said.
>
> Is the threat from someone who was recently incarcerated?
>
> "I probably shouldn't answer that," he replied.
>
> Reporters asked when the threat would be over.
>
> "I don't think a threat ever passes once it has been made," said
> Burke. "You have to consider the credibility of the source."
>
> Bruce Fitch, former justice minister in the Conservative government,
> said "every now and again there would be e-mails that were not
> complimentary."
>
> "I did have a meeting with the RCMP who are in charge of the security
> of the MLAs and ministers," said Fitch.
>
> "They look at each and every situation."
>
> Fitch said he never had bodyguards assigned to him although former
> premier Bernard Lord and former health minister Elvy Robichaud did
> have extra security staff assigned on occasion.
>
> He said if any MLA felt threatened, he or she would discuss it with the
> RCMP.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:43:58 -0300
> Subject: (: Yo Woodsman Werner and Danny Boy :) Your defence of me is
> greatly appreciated THANX
> To: webo@xplornet.com, danf@danf.net, Wayne.STEEVES@gnb.ca,
> frederic.loiseau@fredericton.ca, tony.whalen@gnb.ca
> Cc: injusticecoalition@hotmail.com, oldmaison@yahoo.com,
> abel.leblanc@gnb.ca, T.J.Burke@gnb.ca, jack.keir@gnb.ca, nbpc@gnb.ca,
> arnold.hadley@gnb.ca, john.foran@gnb.ca, premier@gnb.ca,
> Jeannot.VOLPE@gnb.ca
>
> At first I though you spelled Soviet wrong Werner but then I realized
> it is how Germans' spell it. Now that is funny but it proved you
> sincerity to Danny Boy Fitzgerald as well because he supplied the link
> to it.
>
> http://qslspolitics.blogspot.com/2008/07/feds-institutionalize-determined-nb.html
>
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sowjet
>
> http://qslspolitics.blogspot.com/2008/07/off-duty-ns-cops-taunt-taser-digby-man.html
>
> http://govinjustice.blogspot.com/
>
> http://charlesotherpersonality.blogspot.com/2008/07/david-amos-picked-up-by-rcmp.html
>
> http://gypsy-blog.blogspot.com/2008/06/pc-headquarters.html
>
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> ROSAIRE SANTERRE, Patient Advocate
> Psychiatric Patient Advocate Services / Health
> Contact Information
> Phone: (506) 789-2984
> Fax: (506) 789-6587
> EMail Address: rosaire.santerre@gnb.ca
>
>
> JUDY CYR, Coordinator
> Psychiatric Patient Advocate Services / Health
> Contact Information
>  Phone: (506) 856-2924
> Fax: (506) 869-6101
> EMail Address: Judy.Cyr@gnb.ca
>
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> Psychiatric Patient Advocate Services / Health
> Contact Information
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>
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> Psychiatric Patient Advocate Services / Health
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>
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> Psychiatric Patient Advocate Services / Health
> Contact Information
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>
>
>
> On 9/25/09, Van Buynder, Dr. Paul (DH/MS) <Paul.VanBuynder@gnb.ca> wrote:
>> Dear Mr Amos,
>>
>> I have received today numerous emails from you.  My staff have also
>> received
>> a number of phone calls.  They have been instructed not to respond and
>> not
>> to tolerate any abuse.
>>
>> I would consider further calls and emails harassment and would need to
>> involve the police.  Please stop.
>>
>> I am concerned from the tone of your emails that you may not be well at
>> present.  Can I strongly urge you to consult with your physician for a
>> review as soon as possible.
>>
>> Dr Paul Van Buynder
>> Deputy Chief Medical Officer / Médecin-hygiéniste en chef adjoint
>> New Brunswick Department of Health / Ministère de la Santé
>> Nouveau-Brunswick
>> Tel: (506) 444-2719
>> Fax: (506) 453-8702
>> Cell: (506) 470-1612
>> paul.vanbuynder@gnb.ca











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