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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fredericton-city-council-female-councillor-1.5206326
100 Comments
David R. Amos
Methinks we are suffering from Deja Vu N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Methinks I should be astounded to read Leanne Fitch's Tweet after the comment I made about her yesterday but I am not Everybody knows I love a circus N'esy Pas?
"On Twitter, Fredericton's former police chief Leanne Fitch said she was proud of Rogers for speaking out. Fitch said accountability for misogyny is long overdue at city council"
Bob Steele
The best evidence for the type of sexism that Rogers describes can be found in half the comments below - despicable!
David R. Amos
Jim Redmond
Ugh, not again.
Emilien Forest
Mark Curran
Female police chief calls Fredericton gov misogynistic.? You had the top job lady?!! No wonder it was a mess all the time
David R. Amos
Johnny Horton
I once worked in an all female but me office. I’m well aware of how much eye rolling can go on when a lone male speaks...
James Risdon
James Risdon
It's politics. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
The number of women on council is a function of how many women offer themselves up as candidates during the elections and who the good people of Fredericton elect. It is certainly not up to a city councillor to start disrespecting the mandate of her fellow councillors just because she has a problem with their gender. They were elected just like her and have every right to be there.
When people start interfering with the democratic process just to fulfill and ideological position and to gain attention for themselves, we the voters should be very afraid.
David R. Amos
Gabriel Boucher
The comment section here just shows how ignorant some men are when it comes to patriarchy. Qualifications means nothing nowadays and hasn't meant anything for a long time before that. It's all about connections, and the only connections available right now are straight white males who doesn't want anything to do with women or any other minority groups. That's patriarchy for you folks. Wake up and smell the roses, because it's still happening everywhere in 2019 right here in NB. I'm expecting a lot of thumbs down with this comment from straight men. Let's see how many ignorant people there are, shall we?
James Risdon
Reply to @dave ess: Well, I can't speak for all of us "old men" - I missed the last meeting of our Patriarchy And World Domination R Us Club - but I can say that I have a university degree, two college diplomas, a sales course certificate and a certificate of military service with an honourable discharge. I speak two languages, have built about half a dozen fully-responsive, SEO'd websites, and have won awards of excellence from professional associations in my industry and two other awards from the president of one of the international companies where I worked for proposals which boosted operational efficiencies. Outside of work, I've founded and managed sports teams, sat on boards, been a bit of an activist for specific environmental initiatives. I like loving, Christian women, puppies, guitars, and craft beers as well as good steaks and spirited conversations with loyal friends. My favourite colour is green. Jesus is my Lord and Saviour. Amen. ;-)
David R. Amos
Reply to @James Risdon: Methinks many would agree that you ain't as special as you think you are N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
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Methinks I should be astounded to read Leanne Fitch's Tweet after the comment I made about her yesterday but I am not Everybody knows I love a circus N'esy Pas?
Jim Redmond
When I saw the headline, I said to myself "ugh, not again" --- then that was in the article --- funny. Anyway, if she can't take politics, she might want to consider another vocation --- politics is tough and it has nothing to do with what gender you are.
David R. Amos
David R. Amos
Reply to @Jim Redmond: Methinks something went "Poof" N'esy Pas?
Jared Henderson
In this comment section: males complaining about a woman talking about potential problems around misogyny, and not realizing the irony.
James Risdon
Reply to @Jared Henderson: I can vouch for that. Politics is indeed a dirty game. When I ran for the mayoralty of the City of Bathurst a few years back, I was the only candidate whose signs were stolen during the night. Not defaced or vandalized. These people yanked entire signs driven well into the ground with a sledgehammer, out of the dirt and carried them off. The local police said it was the only such type of election interference in the city that year. In coffee shops and workplaces, whisper campaigns were undertaken to undermine my position on the issues. It was learning experience for sure. I can see how many people who go into politics would get more than a little disgusted by the experience. I sort of knew what to expect going in and even I found it difficult. You run for office because you want to make a difference and improve your community but a lot of people will tar and feather you and do everything they can to ruin your reputation so that their candidate will beat you.
David R. Amos
Lou Bel
Perhaps the question should be asked of other women why they're not running. Always easy to blame the male gender , and yet if changed is the goal perhaps it's where you're not looking.
Candy Parker
Reply to @Lou Bell: They are not running for the very reason Kate is speaking out - no one deserves to be disrespected or "eye rolled" at in any setting
Marc Bourque
Josef Blow
Reply to @David R. Amos: No one should laugh at anyone who has the courage to run. Which is not to say that some people who run actually deserve popular support. Positions and personalities are, after all, sometimes laughable.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fredericton-council-diversity-concerns-1.5204768
McKenzie King
So if she's the lone female, does that mean she wants to serve on every committee??? This doesn't seem fair to the other councillors, or to the people who would probably want the best qualified people on each committee. If she doesn't want to serve on every committee, why is she complaining about this one???
Evan Day
Marilyn Carr
cant wait to vote out Mike O. he has been a disappointment since his 1st week on the job ...announcing he was going to make Fredericton a sanctuary city....he will never get my vote for destroying Fredericton's trees ect.
Graham McCormack
Murray Brown
The question is... Are any of them qualified to make development decisions in that area of the city, or any area? They already accepted a harebrained design concept from a Toronto firm for the downtown core. That turned into a complete disaster. The master plan called for buildings being built in a floodplain and cutting off the river view from public Library... Seriously... Check out that 'master' plan and see how messed up it is... They approved it. That should disqualify them all from working on any planning committees.
David R. Amos
Emilien Forest
Best qualified only, regardless of what you look like.
Rose Michaud
Rose Michaud
This is typical for Fredericton. The committees and council are are ignorant and dismissive towards women. I know from personal experience. I made the unfortunate choice to speak up regarding some concerns I had with a development (not trying to stop it, but just bringing forth some issues). I got an eye roll from one committee member and a huff from another. And then two Councillors explained away the issues using incorrect information. End of story, no one was listening to me. I was dismissed. Had I been listened to if I was a man, probably. Other in attendance saw the spectacle and had the same comments. I was professional when I appeared and was prepared. They were ignorant. It's so bad that the developer didn't even show up to the committee meeting, knowing it was going to be approved.
Emilien Forest
David R. Amos
Reply to @Emilien Forest: I concur
Doug James
I would rather have 20 like minded individuals than a thousand with diverse viewpoints. I could get things done with the 20 while the thousand would still be trying to figure out where their navel is. Get the best people for the job and quit virtue signalling.
David R. Amos
Archie Levesque
So in future elections we will make it easy.
1. Mandatory voting for all of age people.
2. Require - by law - for all genders, races and languages to be represented in the make-up of any of the 3 levels of government.
Alexandre Hilton
Fred Dee
I want the best people…. gender should not matter!!!!!
would she be upset if 5 females were selected??
Mac Isaac
Mac Isaac
When I first read the story's headline I thought the representation was just council members. After reading the article I immediately saw Councillor's Rogers point, BUT there also isn't representation from other groups, such as actual stakeholders from NBEX, First Nations groups, etc. In this day and age every representative body, when forming study groups, MUST before issuing any notices, consider "Does this group actually include those who will potentially be most affected by its decisions?"
David R. Amos
Shawn Hickey
Why does sex & race always come up?
It's very possible they were the 5 best choices.
David R. Amos
Marc Bourque
awwwwww poor thing!What an outrage...;)
David R. Amos
Joseph Vacher
if 20% of the applicants were female, i would understand wanting 20% representation. This is not the case
David R. Amos
Mark Curran
another day. another victim.
David R. Amos
Gil Murray
Since she is the person raising "sour grapes" I would agree, it probably is. She typically only gets involved in her personal projects (the "arts", playhouse, etc). I think she wants to raise her profile in time to take a run at the mayor. While I am no fan of his, I shudder to think what would happen if she took over.
David R. Amos
Nay not I Methinks Fat Fred City gets the governments it deserves Trust that not just Chucky The Blogger" truly enjoys the circus it offers Nesy Pas?
David R. Amos
Reply to @David R. Amos: Oh my my
Greg Miller
Oh- Hum!
David R. Amos
David R. Amos
Methinks nobody should be surprised by this nonsense 2015 was four very long years ago N'esy Pas?
George Smith
K. Rogers is right to bring this up. Any civic body has to represent the public at large. That's a given these days. But the old boys clubs still hang on in politics and in general.
David R. Amos
Wayne Mac Arthur
Would this person expect that all committees should be built around herself in order to have balance ?
David R. Amos
Greg Windsor
Oh no !!! This is terrible, I do not think that I will be able to sleep tonight....
David R. Amos
Ben Haroldson
Litigate I say,.......litigate.
David R. Amos
Jef Cronkhite
I just don't get how the exhibition is a gender matter? This is about the Ex grounds, I just can't get how gender factors in?
David R. Amos
· CBC News· Posted: Jul 10, 2019 11:56 AM AT
Fredericton Coun. Kate Rogers says some members of council roll their eyes when she raises gender issues. (Maria Jose Burgos/CBC)
Fredericton's only female councillor says the need for gender diversity on council has become a real struggle and point of contention.
"There are times that it feels toxic," Coun. Kate Rogers said in an interview Wednesday. "There are times when I leave there that I feel sort of run over by a truck."
At a Monday night council meeting, Rogers called out city staff for proposing five men for a committee to look into possible development at the New Brunswick Exhibition grounds in Fredericton.
"Enough is enough, we have got to do better."
Rogers has been on council for seven years, including two as deputy mayor.
She said gender diversity on council is something she's been pushing since she was first elected.
"One of my issues at council from the beginning was what a foreign space it felt [like], how foreign it felt to me," said Rogers, who represents Ward 11 in Fredericton.
She said some councillors have been disrespectful, an attitude she believes has increased over the past couple of years.
"It's gotten to the point that some colleagues just roll their eyes," Rogers said. "I've had a few, 'Ugh, not again.'
"To me that's disrespectful. That should never happen around a council chamber."
Although some councillors are empathetic about the lack of women on council, she said others "stare straight ahead and don't really respond" when the issue is brought up.
Rogers has been a spearhead for many issues in her ward, including calling for more public consultation on the Officers' Square project, when 19 trees were to be cut down, and working to preserve heritage homes along Waterloo Row.
But there have been times where her leadership has been questioned, particularly when she has managed committee meetings.
Rogers, who has sat on many boards in Fredericton, including the Playhouse, said she often tries to generate discussion at council committee meetings but meets resistance.
"I'm the one that gets called out if they don't quite like the way that I'm handling it."
She said this is something Mayor Mike O'Brien shouldn't let happen in the first place.
While she has addressed her concerns to the mayor, she said the behaviour of some of her fellow councillors hasn't been addressed.
"We know that it goes unseen in society and it goes unseen around the council table as well," she said.
O'Brien said he has always tried to maintain decorum and respect on council and in committee meetings.
He hasn't noticed anything personally at council, but this could be part of the problem, he said.
"If I'm a member of council and Coun. Rogers does not feel comfortable or respected, then we're all in this together," he said.
O'Brien said he appreciates Rogers coming forward and will try to get better at recognizing gender discrimination.
"This is 2019 … and we can all do better on that," he said.
"When you're not hearing other voices come to your defence, then those who are inclined to disagree with you feel a little bit more empowered to be more vocal in their dissent," she said.
Rogers says it's time council and different committees receive gender-sensitivity training to generate gender parity. (Maria Jose Burgos/CBC)
While she appreciates the work of the men on council and in various committees, she said women would bring a different perspective.
"Clearly, there's something that we're doing so that more women aren't coming to the table. … Why aren't women coming? We need to change our practices."
On Twitter earlier this week, Coun. Greg Ericson said the city should cut the number of wards in half and elect two councillors of different genders for each ward.
Rogers hasn't received a response from fellow councillors since she spoke out at Monday night's meeting. But she has received a lot of positive feedback from the public, including Fredericton's former police chief Leanne Fitch.
On Twitter, Fitch said she was proud of Rogers for speaking out.
"Accountability for misogyny at [the City of Fredericton] is long overdue. I've seen it, felt it, experienced it."
Rogers is grateful Fitch felt comfortable coming forward on this issue.
"To have other women within the organization feel that they are in a position, where they can speak forward to give credence to my work means so much," Rogers said.
O'Brien, who has worked alongside the police chief, said he was troubled by Fitch's tweet and said it's an issue that needs to be dealt with.
"Even if you don't notice if a particular councillor, especially a woman, or say the female police chief, feels that they're not being valued or being talked down to, and the rest of the group doesn't notice that, well then that is a problem," O'Brien said.
"And we have to address that."
Over the years, Rogers said professionals have come in to advise councillors on roads, bus routes and remuneration.
She said it's time, council and different committees receive gender-sensitivity training to generate gender parity at city hall.
"We just haven't moved the needle."
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fredericton-city-council-female-councillor-1.5206326
Only woman on Fredericton council sometimes feels 'run over by a truck'
100 Comments
David R. Amos
Methinks we are suffering from Deja Vu N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Methinks I should be astounded to read Leanne Fitch's Tweet after the comment I made about her yesterday but I am not Everybody knows I love a circus N'esy Pas?
"On Twitter, Fredericton's former police chief Leanne Fitch said she was proud of Rogers for speaking out. Fitch said accountability for misogyny is long overdue at city council"
Bob Steele
The best evidence for the type of sexism that Rogers describes can be found in half the comments below - despicable!
David R. Amos
Reply to @Bob Steele: And in the other half???
Jim Redmond
Ugh, not again.
Emilien Forest
Reply to @Jim Redmond: Ugh, not again, ...again.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Emilien Forest: Again methinks the ladies are playing politics. When I heard a voicemail recording of Minister Cardy's wife played by CBC this morning I knew this little circus was far from over. Sure enough a few hours after yesterday's comment section closed a new article appears Surprise Surprise Surprise N'esy Pas?
Mark Curran
Female police chief calls Fredericton gov misogynistic.? You had the top job lady?!! No wonder it was a mess all the time
David R. Amos
Reply to @Mark Curran: Methinks it interesting that CBC allows to you post such a statement after so many of mine went "Poof" N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
I once worked in an all female but me office. I’m well aware of how much eye rolling can go on when a lone male speaks...
James Risdon
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Yeah, I know what you mean. I've worked in both all-male and all-female environments. Now, the work crews that were all-male did have a lot of vulgarity and disrespectful language about women. But, then again, so did the all-female workplaces. I remember one workplace where some of the female employees would gossip and criticize one of the other women, saying she looked like a stripper, and then a few days later would exchange all the details about the intimate relations they had enjoyed with men in one-night stands while at the office. Men and women, it seems are truly equal in their level of disgusting depravity.
David R. Amos
Reply to @James Risdon: Methinks anyone with two clues between their ears know that misandry and misogyny are as old as peoplekind If they did not you just proved it for them N'esy Pas?
James Risdon
It's politics. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
The number of women on council is a function of how many women offer themselves up as candidates during the elections and who the good people of Fredericton elect. It is certainly not up to a city councillor to start disrespecting the mandate of her fellow councillors just because she has a problem with their gender. They were elected just like her and have every right to be there.
When people start interfering with the democratic process just to fulfill and ideological position and to gain attention for themselves, we the voters should be very afraid.
David R. Amos
Reply to @James Risdon: Methinks the lady doth protest too much However to be fair she was elected and you and I were not N'esy Pas?
Gabriel Boucher
The comment section here just shows how ignorant some men are when it comes to patriarchy. Qualifications means nothing nowadays and hasn't meant anything for a long time before that. It's all about connections, and the only connections available right now are straight white males who doesn't want anything to do with women or any other minority groups. That's patriarchy for you folks. Wake up and smell the roses, because it's still happening everywhere in 2019 right here in NB. I'm expecting a lot of thumbs down with this comment from straight men. Let's see how many ignorant people there are, shall we?
James Risdon
Reply to @dave ess: Well, I can't speak for all of us "old men" - I missed the last meeting of our Patriarchy And World Domination R Us Club - but I can say that I have a university degree, two college diplomas, a sales course certificate and a certificate of military service with an honourable discharge. I speak two languages, have built about half a dozen fully-responsive, SEO'd websites, and have won awards of excellence from professional associations in my industry and two other awards from the president of one of the international companies where I worked for proposals which boosted operational efficiencies. Outside of work, I've founded and managed sports teams, sat on boards, been a bit of an activist for specific environmental initiatives. I like loving, Christian women, puppies, guitars, and craft beers as well as good steaks and spirited conversations with loyal friends. My favourite colour is green. Jesus is my Lord and Saviour. Amen. ;-)
David R. Amos
Reply to @James Risdon: Methinks many would agree that you ain't as special as you think you are N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
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Methinks I should be astounded to read Leanne Fitch's Tweet after the comment I made about her yesterday but I am not Everybody knows I love a circus N'esy Pas?
Jim Redmond
When I saw the headline, I said to myself "ugh, not again" --- then that was in the article --- funny. Anyway, if she can't take politics, she might want to consider another vocation --- politics is tough and it has nothing to do with what gender you are.
David R. Amos
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Reply to @Jim Redmond: Methinks the ladies are playing politics. When I heard a voicemail recording of Minister Cardy's wife played by CBC this morning I knew this little circus was far from over. Sure enough a few hours after yesterday's comment section closed a new article appears Surprise Surprise Surprise N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Jim Redmond: Methinks the ladies are playing politics. When I heard a voicemail recording of Minister Cardy's wife played by CBC this morning I knew this little circus was far from over. Sure enough a few hours after yesterday's comment section closed a new article appears Surprise Surprise Surprise N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Jim Redmond: Methinks something went "Poof" N'esy Pas?
Jared Henderson
In this comment section: males complaining about a woman talking about potential problems around misogyny, and not realizing the irony.
James Risdon
Reply to @Jared Henderson: I can vouch for that. Politics is indeed a dirty game. When I ran for the mayoralty of the City of Bathurst a few years back, I was the only candidate whose signs were stolen during the night. Not defaced or vandalized. These people yanked entire signs driven well into the ground with a sledgehammer, out of the dirt and carried them off. The local police said it was the only such type of election interference in the city that year. In coffee shops and workplaces, whisper campaigns were undertaken to undermine my position on the issues. It was learning experience for sure. I can see how many people who go into politics would get more than a little disgusted by the experience. I sort of knew what to expect going in and even I found it difficult. You run for office because you want to make a difference and improve your community but a lot of people will tar and feather you and do everything they can to ruin your reputation so that their candidate will beat you.
David R. Amos
Reply to @James Risdon: I am shocked to learn this
Lou Bel
Perhaps the question should be asked of other women why they're not running. Always easy to blame the male gender , and yet if changed is the goal perhaps it's where you're not looking.
Candy Parker
Reply to @Lou Bell: They are not running for the very reason Kate is speaking out - no one deserves to be disrespected or "eye rolled" at in any setting
Marc Bourque
Reply to @Candy Parker: so she says. Did you witness this or are taking her at her word?
Mark Curran
Reply to @Candy Parker: Allegedly.
Travis Micheal Davis
Reply to @Candy Parker: sure they do; if they deserve it... eye roll
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Candy Parker:
I’m sure as a male Charles Leblanc has gotten lots of eye rolls from councillors,
I’m sure as a male Charles Leblanc has gotten lots of eye rolls from councillors,
Mark Curran
Reply to @Candy Parker: Women make difference choices in life and dont share her aspirations to be supreme ruler of Fredericton.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Candy Parker:
Let me guess, a woman has never eye rolled at a man before,
Let me guess, a woman has never eye rolled at a man before,
David R. Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: YO Lourdes Methinks the obvious question is you don't you run? You seem to think you know so much about everything and laugh at the six times I have run thus far N'esy Pas?
Josef Blow
Reply to @David R. Amos: No one should laugh at anyone who has the courage to run. Which is not to say that some people who run actually deserve popular support. Positions and personalities are, after all, sometimes laughable.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fredericton-council-diversity-concerns-1.5204768
Fredericton's lone female councillor calls out city hall for proposed all-male committee
92 Comments
Commenting is now closed for this story.McKenzie King
So if she's the lone female, does that mean she wants to serve on every committee??? This doesn't seem fair to the other councillors, or to the people who would probably want the best qualified people on each committee. If she doesn't want to serve on every committee, why is she complaining about this one???
Evan Day
Reply to @McKenzie King: It isn't a committee of councillors. And even if you were correct, you're assuming she wouldn't be the best qualified. You should try reading the article.
David R. Amos
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Reply to @Evan Day: Methinks we can't be certain a liberal ghost can read N'esy Pas?David R. Amos
Reply to @David R. Amos: Tut Tut Tut
Marilyn Carr
cant wait to vote out Mike O. he has been a disappointment since his 1st week on the job ...announcing he was going to make Fredericton a sanctuary city....he will never get my vote for destroying Fredericton's trees ect.
Graham McCormack
Reply to @Marilyn Carr: Love these comments, they tell a lot about people.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Graham McCormack: Me Too
Michel Jones
Reply to @David R. Amos: N'esy Pas !!
Murray Brown
The question is... Are any of them qualified to make development decisions in that area of the city, or any area? They already accepted a harebrained design concept from a Toronto firm for the downtown core. That turned into a complete disaster. The master plan called for buildings being built in a floodplain and cutting off the river view from public Library... Seriously... Check out that 'master' plan and see how messed up it is... They approved it. That should disqualify them all from working on any planning committees.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Murray Brown: "The question is... Are any of them qualified to make development decisions in that area of the city, or any area?"
NOPE
NOPE
Emilien Forest
Best qualified only, regardless of what you look like.
Rose Michaud
Reply to @Emilien Forest: "Rogers said there were several qualified female candidates". Obviously they were either dismissed or overlooked. By men.
Emilien Forest
Reply to @Rose Michaud: Those chosen should be done by the appropriate methods and not by the opinion of one bitter individual.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Rose Michaud:
Did you miss where the poster said BEST qualified. You have a list of conditions, experiences etc, you rank them, select the best. It’s rare a tie will happen with a good point system.
Did you miss where the poster said BEST qualified. You have a list of conditions, experiences etc, you rank them, select the best. It’s rare a tie will happen with a good point system.
Rose Michaud
Reply to @Johnny Horton: I actually put my name in for 3 years in a row for a committee. I actually have tons of experience relevant to the committee. Not once was I contacted. Guess what, only men were added, most developers that would have a conflict of interest. That is typical of the selection process in Fredericton. If there's nothing wrong with this process then how come no women ever get pick? It's worth checking in to.
Emilien Forest
Reply to @Rose Michaud: I guess you not as good as you think you are. Throwing your hat in the ring does not make you BEST qualified.
Rose Michaud
Reply to @Emilien Forest: HA! I'm being dismissed and you haven't even seen my qualifications. Remember these are volunteer committees, not jobs. And I know the persons who did get on the committees, they were developers and friends of city workers. I'm believe that the yes, the most qualified should be picked . BUT THIS IS NOT THE CASE IN FREDERICTON. Hard to believe? No it isn't.
Emilien Forest
Reply to @Rose Michaud: I really don't care what you say are qualified to do, you proved nothing. I'm certain a lot of people feel the same way. BUT THIS IS THE CASE IN FREDERICTON. Hard to believe? No it isn't.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Emilien Forest: I Wholeheartedly Agree
David R. Amos
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Reply to @Rose Michaud: Cry me a riverMac Isaac
Reply to @Rose Michaud: If what you assert is correct, then I have to agree. Even if were to know you and disliked you, fair's fair and you are making valid points. If you actually do have "...tons of experience relevant to the committee." you at least should be given some feedback...at the very least.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Mac Isaac:
We already have too many government workers imsgine if we needed to hire tens of thousands more to respond to every applicant for a committee or job and inform them of some feedback of why they didn’t make it.
We already have too many government workers imsgine if we needed to hire tens of thousands more to respond to every applicant for a committee or job and inform them of some feedback of why they didn’t make it.
David R. Amos
Reply to @David R. Amos: Hmmm
Rose Michaud
This is typical for Fredericton. The committees and council are are ignorant and dismissive towards women. I know from personal experience. I made the unfortunate choice to speak up regarding some concerns I had with a development (not trying to stop it, but just bringing forth some issues). I got an eye roll from one committee member and a huff from another. And then two Councillors explained away the issues using incorrect information. End of story, no one was listening to me. I was dismissed. Had I been listened to if I was a man, probably. Other in attendance saw the spectacle and had the same comments. I was professional when I appeared and was prepared. They were ignorant. It's so bad that the developer didn't even show up to the committee meeting, knowing it was going to be approved.
Emilien Forest
Reply to @Rose Michaud: The only thing you achieved in doing on this forum is demonstrate that you are a misandrist.
Fred Dee
Reply to @Rose Michaud: we need the best people.... what gender is of little importance. I would rather have 5 women if they were the best choice,,, I am tired of this "inclusive" need... get the BEST people for the job!!!!!
David R. Amos
Reply to @Emilien Forest: I concur
Doug James
I would rather have 20 like minded individuals than a thousand with diverse viewpoints. I could get things done with the 20 while the thousand would still be trying to figure out where their navel is. Get the best people for the job and quit virtue signalling.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Doug James: Methinks many would agree that diverse viewpoints are the only way to go in a Just Democracy N'ey Pas?
Doug James
Reply to @David R. Amos:
I think that the best get the job and the rest should appreciate that. A technical board for construction would not be helped by a goat herd from Lithuania even though it increases the diversity.
I think that the best get the job and the rest should appreciate that. A technical board for construction would not be helped by a goat herd from Lithuania even though it increases the diversity.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Doug James: Methinks we should be shocked that a former Green Party candidate would think so ill of a herd of goats in light all the pigs at the trough consuming taxpayer funds while their Irving overseers mow down what is left of our forests N'esy Pas?
Archie Levesque
So in future elections we will make it easy.
1. Mandatory voting for all of age people.
2. Require - by law - for all genders, races and languages to be represented in the make-up of any of the 3 levels of government.
Alexandre Hilton
Reply to @Archie Levesque: I'm not sure if you are joking or not, but both of your recommendations are absolutely horrible, and also a clear violation of the Charter of Rights
David R. Amos
Reply to @Alexandre Hilton: Not really
Fred Dee
I want the best people…. gender should not matter!!!!!
would she be upset if 5 females were selected??
Mac Isaac
Reply to @Fred Dee: More importantly Fred...would YOU?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Mac Isaac: How about YOU?
Mac Isaac
When I first read the story's headline I thought the representation was just council members. After reading the article I immediately saw Councillor's Rogers point, BUT there also isn't representation from other groups, such as actual stakeholders from NBEX, First Nations groups, etc. In this day and age every representative body, when forming study groups, MUST before issuing any notices, consider "Does this group actually include those who will potentially be most affected by its decisions?"
David R. Amos
Reply to @Mac Isaac: Oh My My Thats a pretty big "MUST" Methinks you think that you do know it all N'esy Pas?
Shawn Hickey
Why does sex & race always come up?
It's very possible they were the 5 best choices.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Shawn Hickey: Go Figure
Marc Bourque
awwwwww poor thing!What an outrage...;)
David R. Amos
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Reply to @Marc Bourque: I would feel for her but I can't reach I am too busy trying to stop laughing and get up off the floor.David R. Amos
Reply to @David R. Amos: Wow
Joseph Vacher
if 20% of the applicants were female, i would understand wanting 20% representation. This is not the case
David R. Amos
Reply to @Joseph Vacher: Methinks there should be no relationship The decision should be based on merit only N'esy Pas?
Mark Curran
another day. another victim.
David R. Amos
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Reply to @Mark Curran: Methinks Kate knows where the Fat Fred City Finest has my old Harley and the wiretap tapes stashed N'esy Pas?David R. Amos
Reply to @David R. Amos: Oh dear
Gil Murray
Since she is the person raising "sour grapes" I would agree, it probably is. She typically only gets involved in her personal projects (the "arts", playhouse, etc). I think she wants to raise her profile in time to take a run at the mayor. While I am no fan of his, I shudder to think what would happen if she took over.
David R. Amos
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Reply to @Gil Murray: "I shudder to think what would happen if she took over."Nay not I Methinks Fat Fred City gets the governments it deserves Trust that not just Chucky The Blogger" truly enjoys the circus it offers Nesy Pas?
David R. Amos
Reply to @David R. Amos: Oh my my
Greg Miller
Oh- Hum!
David R. Amos
Reply to @Greg Miller: Methinks you should pay attention the circus today is just beginning N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Methinks nobody should be surprised by this nonsense 2015 was four very long years ago N'esy Pas?
George Smith
K. Rogers is right to bring this up. Any civic body has to represent the public at large. That's a given these days. But the old boys clubs still hang on in politics and in general.
David R. Amos
Reply to @George Smith: Methinks you know as well as I that one of the Police Chiefs of Fat Fred City Finest who stole my old Harley was a woman N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Reply to @David R. Amos: Who are you again ? No one seems to have a clue who you are !
David R. Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: George knows me and so do you
Wayne Mac Arthur
Would this person expect that all committees should be built around herself in order to have balance ?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Wayne Mac Arthur: Methinks a wannabe mayor hopes that all committees will answer to her and the Queen (another woman) someday N'esy Pas?
Greg Windsor
Oh no !!! This is terrible, I do not think that I will be able to sleep tonight....
David R. Amos
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Reply to @Greg Windsor: Methinks I am gonna cry all night after viewing how many of my word went "Poof" Its a cruel world N'esy Pas? Ben Haroldson
Litigate I say,.......litigate.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Methinks there a boatloads of lady lawyers who could use the work N'esy Pas?
Jef Cronkhite
I just don't get how the exhibition is a gender matter? This is about the Ex grounds, I just can't get how gender factors in?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Jef Cronkhite: It doesn't
Only woman on Fredericton council sometimes feels 'run over by a truck'
Need for more women on council has become contentious issue, Kate Rogers says
· CBC News· Posted: Jul 10, 2019 11:56 AM AT
Fredericton Coun. Kate Rogers says some members of council roll their eyes when she raises gender issues. (Maria Jose Burgos/CBC)
Fredericton's only female councillor says the need for gender diversity on council has become a real struggle and point of contention.
"There are times that it feels toxic," Coun. Kate Rogers said in an interview Wednesday. "There are times when I leave there that I feel sort of run over by a truck."
At a Monday night council meeting, Rogers called out city staff for proposing five men for a committee to look into possible development at the New Brunswick Exhibition grounds in Fredericton.
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"Enough is enough, we have got to do better."
Council a 'foreign space'
Rogers has been on council for seven years, including two as deputy mayor.
She said gender diversity on council is something she's been pushing since she was first elected.
"One of my issues at council from the beginning was what a foreign space it felt [like], how foreign it felt to me," said Rogers, who represents Ward 11 in Fredericton.
We just haven't moved the needle.- Coun. Kate Rogers"I say this as a well-educated, middle-class, Fredericton-born white woman. And that space felt foreign to me when I first entered it."
She said some councillors have been disrespectful, an attitude she believes has increased over the past couple of years.
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Disrespect toward women common at Fredericton council, female councillor says
"It's gotten to the point that some colleagues just roll their eyes," Rogers said. "I've had a few, 'Ugh, not again.'
"To me that's disrespectful. That should never happen around a council chamber."
Although some councillors are empathetic about the lack of women on council, she said others "stare straight ahead and don't really respond" when the issue is brought up.
Disrespect goes unseen
Rogers has been a spearhead for many issues in her ward, including calling for more public consultation on the Officers' Square project, when 19 trees were to be cut down, and working to preserve heritage homes along Waterloo Row.
But there have been times where her leadership has been questioned, particularly when she has managed committee meetings.
Rogers, who has sat on many boards in Fredericton, including the Playhouse, said she often tries to generate discussion at council committee meetings but meets resistance.
"I'm the one that gets called out if they don't quite like the way that I'm handling it."
Rogers, who has sat on many boards in Fredericton, said she often tries to generate discussion at council committee meetings but often meets resistance. (Maria Jose Burgos/CBC)
She said this is something Mayor Mike O'Brien shouldn't let happen in the first place.
While she has addressed her concerns to the mayor, she said the behaviour of some of her fellow councillors hasn't been addressed.
"We know that it goes unseen in society and it goes unseen around the council table as well," she said.
'This is 2019'
O'Brien said he has always tried to maintain decorum and respect on council and in committee meetings.
He hasn't noticed anything personally at council, but this could be part of the problem, he said.
"If I'm a member of council and Coun. Rogers does not feel comfortable or respected, then we're all in this together," he said.
O'Brien said he appreciates Rogers coming forward and will try to get better at recognizing gender discrimination.
"This is 2019 … and we can all do better on that," he said.
Alone at the table
"When you're not hearing other voices come to your defence, then those who are inclined to disagree with you feel a little bit more empowered to be more vocal in their dissent," she said.
"Clearly, there's something that we're doing so that more women aren't coming to the table. … Why aren't women coming? We need to change our practices."
On Twitter earlier this week, Coun. Greg Ericson said the city should cut the number of wards in half and elect two councillors of different genders for each ward.
@seguincbc@K8inFred@ZamboniSavant@FrederictonDLC South Africa legislated gender equity in governance structures from the top to the bottom post apartheid. @CityFredGov should legislate a solution: cut the # of wards in half & elect 2 Councillors of non-identical genders / ward
Rogers hasn't received a response from fellow councillors since she spoke out at Monday night's meeting. But she has received a lot of positive feedback from the public, including Fredericton's former police chief Leanne Fitch.
On Twitter, Fitch said she was proud of Rogers for speaking out.
"Accountability for misogyny at [the City of Fredericton] is long overdue. I've seen it, felt it, experienced it."
On Twitter, Fredericton's former police chief Leanne Fitch said she was proud of Rogersfor speaking out. Fitch said accountability for misogyny is long overdue at city council. (Maria Jose Burgos/CBC)
Rogers is grateful Fitch felt comfortable coming forward on this issue.
"To have other women within the organization feel that they are in a position, where they can speak forward to give credence to my work means so much," Rogers said.
Proud of Councillor Rogers for speaking out. Accountability for misogyny @CityFredGov is long over due. I’ve seen it, felt it, experienced it. @K8inFred@CBCNB
O'Brien, who has worked alongside the police chief, said he was troubled by Fitch's tweet and said it's an issue that needs to be dealt with.
"Even if you don't notice if a particular councillor, especially a woman, or say the female police chief, feels that they're not being valued or being talked down to, and the rest of the group doesn't notice that, well then that is a problem," O'Brien said.
"And we have to address that."
Over the years, Rogers said professionals have come in to advise councillors on roads, bus routes and remuneration.
She said it's time, council and different committees receive gender-sensitivity training to generate gender parity at city hall.
"We just haven't moved the needle."
Fredericton's lone female councillor calls out city hall for proposed all-male committee
City staff put forward list of 5 names for NBEX land development committee—all of which were male
Concerns over diversity has delayed the appointment of five city representatives to a committee that would look into possible development at the New Brunswick Exhibition grounds in Fredericton.
City council was set to vote on the appointments Monday night for the new NBEX land development committee, with a recommendation from staff to approve the appointments.
But a plea from Coun. Kate Rogers led councillors to vote down the proposal.
Rogers said there were several qualified female candidates who could have been nominated, herself included, but she was concerned to see an all-male nominee list.
"But when I look at the candidates, when I look at the list that we did receive … there are some women who put their names forth, who also have very strong credentials. And I think that it's incumbent on us, in this day and age, to try to reflect at the very least gender diversity."
The NBEX land development committee was formed after years of conflict between the city and the Fredericton Exhibition Ltd.
In 2017 the city started discussions to push the NBEX into a new location and away from the current grounds, so it could be developed into a residential area.
That was opposed by NBEX, which eventually brought the city to court before dropping the case last fall.
Coun. Eric Price, one of the nominees for the city's five committee members, said he was not aware there was an issue with representation.
"I appreciate Kate's points as well and they're very valid points," Price told city council.
"I had no idea about all those things that you just talked about, so thank you for enlightening me on that."
The rest of the nominee list includes Deputy Mayor Steven Hicks, Fredericton's Deputy Chief Administrative Officer Jeff Trail, Shawn Bilerman and Trevor Hanson.
"I feel that they hear me, but I don't know whether or not they're listening," said Rogers after Monday night's council meeting.
"Some of them don't want to hear it. Some of them have been disrespectful when I have raised it.
Others have come to me and said, 'We know it's a problem. We don't have the slightest idea what to do to make a change.'"
Fredericton Mayor Mike O'Brien has the final say on the list of nominees presented to council.
O'Brien said while it is his purview, he instructed staff to choose the nominees.
"I left that to staff," he told council.
"That's not to put any onus on staff … but the staff made the recommendation and I signed the report."
Meanwhile at a council-in-committee meeting that took place earlier Monday, a visiting mayor from Port St. John's, South Africa, lightly chastised the city for only having one female councillor.
"When we saw the picture of the council members, as a female mayor, I had an issue," said Nomvuzo Mlombile-Cingo, who was visiting the city along with a group of South African mayors on a cultural exchange.
Rogers said her objections were not "sour grapes."
The city councillor said she would support any decision the council made, but that it's important to have a more diverse council and city committees.
"What is right is that we have more women represented on our council to reflect our community, to reflect the parity that exists in our community," she said.
The matter has returned to city staff. No timetable was announced for the introduction of new nominees.
CBC News has asked the city for the full list of candidates for the committee but has not yet received that list.
CBC's Journalistic Standards and PracticesCity council was set to vote on the appointments Monday night for the new NBEX land development committee, with a recommendation from staff to approve the appointments.
But a plea from Coun. Kate Rogers led councillors to vote down the proposal.
Rogers said there were several qualified female candidates who could have been nominated, herself included, but she was concerned to see an all-male nominee list.
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"But when I look at the candidates, when I look at the list that we did receive … there are some women who put their names forth, who also have very strong credentials. And I think that it's incumbent on us, in this day and age, to try to reflect at the very least gender diversity."
Committee formed for possible land development
The NBEX land development committee was formed after years of conflict between the city and the Fredericton Exhibition Ltd.
In 2017 the city started discussions to push the NBEX into a new location and away from the current grounds, so it could be developed into a residential area.
That was opposed by NBEX, which eventually brought the city to court before dropping the case last fall.
I feel that they hear me, but I don't know whether or not they're listening.- Coun. Kate RogersThe committee was initiated after the city and the Fredericton Exhibition came to an agreement to develop a new plan for the grounds back in February.
Coun. Eric Price, one of the nominees for the city's five committee members, said he was not aware there was an issue with representation.
"I appreciate Kate's points as well and they're very valid points," Price told city council.
"I had no idea about all those things that you just talked about, so thank you for enlightening me on that."
The rest of the nominee list includes Deputy Mayor Steven Hicks, Fredericton's Deputy Chief Administrative Officer Jeff Trail, Shawn Bilerman and Trevor Hanson.
'Some of them don't want to hear it'
Rogers said this isn't the first time she's bought up issues regarding women's representation to her male counterparts."I feel that they hear me, but I don't know whether or not they're listening," said Rogers after Monday night's council meeting.
"Some of them don't want to hear it. Some of them have been disrespectful when I have raised it.
Others have come to me and said, 'We know it's a problem. We don't have the slightest idea what to do to make a change.'"
Fredericton Mayor Mike O'Brien has the final say on the list of nominees presented to council.
O'Brien said while it is his purview, he instructed staff to choose the nominees.
"I left that to staff," he told council.
"That's not to put any onus on staff … but the staff made the recommendation and I signed the report."
Women represent greater community
Meanwhile at a council-in-committee meeting that took place earlier Monday, a visiting mayor from Port St. John's, South Africa, lightly chastised the city for only having one female councillor.
"When we saw the picture of the council members, as a female mayor, I had an issue," said Nomvuzo Mlombile-Cingo, who was visiting the city along with a group of South African mayors on a cultural exchange.
Now what?
Rogers said her objections were not "sour grapes."
The city councillor said she would support any decision the council made, but that it's important to have a more diverse council and city committees.
"What is right is that we have more women represented on our council to reflect our community, to reflect the parity that exists in our community," she said.
The matter has returned to city staff. No timetable was announced for the introduction of new nominees.
CBC News has asked the city for the full list of candidates for the committee but has not yet received that list.