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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 09:43:35 -0400
Subject: Methinks Trudeau the Younger and his minions should notice my comment in ths CBC "News" Item is one of the most llike threads right now at least before CBC makes it go "Poof"
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Tuesday, 30 April 2019

Climate change is on the move — but the political debate is standing still



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Methinks the political solutions to all problems are photo opps, speeches and then raise the taxes N'esy Pas?



https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/04/climate-change-is-on-move-but-political.html





https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/climate-change-carbon-tax-trudeau-scheer-1.5115109




Climate change is on the move — but the political debate is standing still



2549 Comments




David R. Amos
The political solutions to all problems are photo opps, speeches and then raise the taxes.


George Bath
Reply to @David R. Amos: if humans are the problem why wouldn't humans accept and bear the responsibility?


David R. Amos
Reply to @george bath: I blame the Sun King


David R. Amos
Reply to @george bath: Methinks if Trudeau's peoplekind build fancy homes on flood plains or downriver from man made dams etc then they should not be surprised if Mother Nature makes things get wet from time to time when the days are not particularly sunny N'esy Pas?


Murray Brown
Reply to @David R. Amos: ... You mean... The political solution to Trudeau's problems... And he has lots of them.
 
David R. Amos
Reply to @Murray Brown: Methinks Trudeau The Younger has quite an ethical dilemma dealing with the lawsuit I filed against the Crown when Harper was the Prime Minister N'esy Pas? 


Ryan Jason
Reply to @David R. Amos: :Methinks if Trudeau's peoplekind build fancy homes" You are aware that 99.9% of these homes were all built long before Trudeau got into power right? But now somehow you are suggesting that Trudeau is responsible for building near flood plains over the last 60 years?  


David R. Amos
Reply to @Ryan Jason: Methinks everybody knows that farmers have been working flood plains for thousands of years but are clever enough to build their houses on higher ground. It appears to me the elite who want waterfront property lack the common sense to know that they should build their fine houses on stilts N'esy Pas? 


Matt Thuaii
Reply to @David R. Amos:

He will be voted out, Scheer will get in. He’ll play the “I’m for the little man,” and “good ol’ days” cards, then make things far worse selling out our futures to the highest bidder, deregulating and bending over backward for corporate interests. The whole time he’ll blame Trudeau for how bad things are, the once he’s gone, the next PM will be blamed for the mess Scheer left...

...and that cycle will repeat again...and again...and again...



David R. Amos  
Reply to @Matt Thuaii: Methinks you are beginning to understand why I am preparing to run for public office for the 7th time Perhaps you should too N'esy Pas? 
 

David R. Amos 
Reply to @Matt Thuaii: "He will be voted out, Scheer will get in"

Methinks Maxime and Manning are helping the right wingers to spit up again because Harper 2.0 is as dumb as a post Hence the liberals may win a minority mandate in October N'esy Pas?















Darin Fortin
George Bath,. Calm down George.


Larry Mackenzie
Reply to @Darin Fortin:

Very angry he is.



Bob Toso
Reply to @Larry Mackenzie: Why are you trying to portray George as angry? Is that merely your attempt to make him seem . what?
So far he is much more believable than you and Darin who are merely using personal attacks



David R. Amos 
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Reply to @Bob Toso: "Why are you trying to portray George as angry?"

Methinks you should read the other comment threads N'esy Pas? 

 

Peter Baxter
Reply to @Bob Toso: I think you are experiencing George's post differently than everyone else....but based on your posts....it seems you may experience many things differently than most people


David R. Amos 
Reply to @Peter Baxter: Did you notice that my reply to the fella went "Poof"???










Darin Fortin
We will soon have a responsible leader in Ottawa. Mr. Scheer will clean up the Libby mess.


Aaron Jones
Reply to @Darin Fortin: The last time a conservative promised to have a plan before the election ... he never actually came up with a plan. Ford promised to have a costed platform ... yet didn't ... and look at the mess he has created in Ontario. Do you really want the same federally?
David R. Amos 
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Reply to @Aaron Jones: Speaking of Conservatives Methinks Elizabeth May used to work for the brown bag man Brian Mulroney and still sings his praises as she talks of Agenda 21 to this very day N'esy Pas?











Cyrus Manz
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Here we go again, some town gets flooded because politicians EMBEZZLED PUBLIC FUNDS instead of spending it on maintaining and expanding infrastructure, and we are BOMBARDED with CLIMATE CHANGE CULT FOLKLORE instead. 


Bob Toso:
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Reply to @Cyrus Manz: Well those weather events that were classified as once in a hundred years are happening every three or four years now


Cyrus Manz 
Content disabled 
Reply to @Bob Toso:

Like I said, CLIMATE-CULT FOLKLORE
 
 
Darin Fortin 
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Reply to @Bob Toso: no they are not
 
 
Bob Terwilliger
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Reply to @Bob Toso: No they are not. You're being misled.
 
 
Daryl Dixon
Content disabled 
Reply to @Cyrus Manz:

Why do reformers dislike Canada Cyrus?


David R. Amos 
Content disabled 
Reply to @Cyrus Manz: "Like I said, CLIMATE-CULT FOLKLORE "

I second that remark  



Ryan Jason
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Reply to @David R. Amos: Accelerated climate change is essentially proven science and now we are seeing the measureable effects in our environment. How much proof do you need before you realize you are wrong. More importantly, I notice a lot of people post against the science, but yet offer no reason as to why they don't believe it is real.  


Cyrus Manz
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Reply to @Ryan Jason:

!!!...."Accelerated climate change is essentially proven science "....!!!

No, it is nothing more than pseudoscience and folklore.
Accelerate expansion of human population, is a fact though.
It is also a fact that an expanded human settlement will naturally be more prone to the impact of WEATHER changes.
This is where politicians who's job it is to MAINTAIN AND EXPAND INFRASTRUCTURE, FAIL time an again and instead blame their failures on an mythical "climate change" and HUMANS for causing it.
A great little scam to blame you for the weather and their own failures at the same time and end up TAXING you for your CARBON too.



Ryan Jason 
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Reply to @Cyrus Manz: "No, it is nothing more than pseudoscience and folklore." Virtually every scientific organization on the planet would disagree with you. What proof do you have, other than your opinion, that accelerated climate change is not real. The tip of my proof can be found here; https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
There is literally a mountain of evidence now proving that man has accelerated the warming of the planet, via corporate pollution. What evidence do you have?
Cyrus Manz 
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Reply to @Ryan Jason:

Under CLIMATE CON-ARTIST OBAMA, all US Federal agencies were politicized in order to spout this nonsense.
NASA wasn't the only one. NOAA, USSG and all others were politicized too. 
 

David R. Amos 
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Reply to @Cyrus Manz: Methinks folks should ask me about some very inconvenient truths I know about Gore, Bush, Clinton, Biden et al N'esy Pas?  


David R. Amos
Content disabled 
Reply to @Cyrus Manz: "A great little scam to blame you for the weather and their own failures at the same time and end up TAXING you for your CARBON too'"

Methinks that is how the wicked game is played N'esy Pas?










Chris Hatherley
there have been floods every year since I was growing up. Called spring thaw.


David R. Amos 
Reply to @Chris Hatherley: I noticed the same thing about spring thaws 
 
Dustin Carey
Reply to @David R. Amos:
Record high water levels are, by definition, not your average spring thaw.  



David R. Amos 
Reply to @Dustin Carey: Methinks they are called floods which happened mostly on the "Flood Plains" N'esy Pas? 













Peter Baxter
Lovely article ..... just that they forgot to mention that Canada at most accounts for 1-2% of Global emissions and consequently, has absolutely no ability to make any measurable effect on the problem. Jump up and down, scream at the moon, tax ourselves into poverty, eliminate 100% of Canadian emissions, no effect! But it was nice of them to stick the picture of Justin filling sandbags... without mentioning that the real volunteers were very upset that Trudeau's photo op slowed down progress and that he just got in the way


George Bath 

Reply to @Peter Baxter:
actually peter coal fires, hydrocarbon emissions contributed to the poor air, land and water quality.
now that we have changed the rules the pollution has been reduced.
cars still pollute peter.
Larry Mackenzie 
Reply to @Peter Baxter:

Well, it was an article by Wherry... .. .
George Bath  
Reply to @Larry Mackenzie: well what other web sites do you alberta populists get your college level climate change education from: Fox, drudge useless american websites?
Peter Baxter 
Reply to @george bath: Actually George....the article is about climate change....that phenomena that some link to greenhouse gas emissions.......global GHG emissions.....global coal fires, global hydrocarbon emissions....and they really have nothing to do with poor air......and only influence land and water indirectly.
Dave Burns 
Reply to @Peter Baxter: Why would they need to mention the volunteer who was upset at Trudeau in this article when there was an entire article about that the day it happened?
Peter Baxter  
Reply to @Dave Burns: Well.....they put in the photo making it look like he was helping....so I feel it would be appropriate to at least a include a subtitle to let folks know that he was actually jeopardizing the well being of Canadians in order to look good for a photo op. They say a picture tells a thousand words.....if that is true, then that photo is a thousand words of untruth!
David R. Amos 
Reply to @Peter Baxter: "it was nice of them to stick the picture of Justin filling sandbags... without mentioning that the real volunteers were very upset that Trudeau's photo op slowed down progress and that he just got in the way"

Methinks many would agree that photo was the best part of this article N'esy Pas?
Norm Dixon
Reply to @Peter Baxter: Perception is EVERYTHING!!!! 
Carmen Lucas
Reply to @Peter Baxter:
So we should bury our heads in the sand, and do nothing. Great plan.
Charly Vaughan 
Reply to @Peter Baxter: typical cdn political debate educated vs uneducated
Matt Thuaii 
Reply to @Peter Baxter:

I don’t own a fire truck...

...I’m still going to try to pull my neighbour out of his burning home if I get there first.
 

Andrew Hillman
Reply to @Charly Vaughan: Typical CBC political debate - the one with the cleverer insults thinks he's won. Which changes no one's mind on the subject.


Brad Mercier
Reply to @Peter Baxter: Yup good old CBC, they are out electioneering already.
David R. Amos  
Reply to @Andrew Hillman: Oh So True


 
David R. Amos
Reply to @Brad Mercier: YUP













Jim Redmond
Climate change is obviously happening, as it has been for millions of years. And yes, climate change is significantly exaggerated by the media for political reasons. And no, humans aren't causing the change.


Aaron Jones
Reply to @Jim Redmond: Jim perhaps you could provide your research to NASA as they have a page dedicated the the 97% consensus that climate change is real and man made.
David R. Amos 
Reply to @Jim Redmond: "humans aren't causing the change."

I agree
Kelly Nelson
Reply to @Aaron Jones: You best check that 97% fact, it's been debated/debunked several times. Look at how that statistic was manipulated to look like 1000's of scientists agreed, when in reality it was less than 100. In that particular study of the "consensus" 
 

Matt Thuaii:
Reply to @Kelly Nelson:

You’re half right. 97% of scientists don’t agree that the current short term, rapid climate changes (and the associated increased frequency of natural disasters) are man made...

...99.9% do.



David R. Amos  
Reply to @Matt Thuaii: I disagree













Kathleen Maduro
Harrison Ford arriving in Montreal on his private jet, tail # N6GU [November Six Gulf Uniform] for Justin Trudeau's #NatureSummit. First thing he asked for when he landed was where the Shell (jet fuel) station was. Not as bad as Leonardo DiCaprio cruising in the biggest private yacht in the world up and down the Brazilian coast during World Cup, but terrible nevertheless. To think these guys are the face of global warming alarmists! Either they really don’t believe a word they say, or they really do believe they are royalties not bound by laws they advocate for the hoi polloi. Or both.

  
Max Kaminsky
Reply to @Kathleen Maduro:

Gas up the jet CB, time to return to my high Carbon footprint vacation in Tofino. 



James Bilodeau

Reply to @Kathleen Maduro: So, why believe rich entertainers? They are the biggest hypocrites. Climate change they yell as the flit between mansions world wide in huge boats, jets, cars etc. Just like politicians. But they want us to believe the world is melting and a tax will save it. Funny how its just the poor getting screwed by taxes.
Peter Baxter
Reply to @Kathleen Maduro: A lot like Justin filling sandbags!...Actually making matters worse by getting in the way but as long as they get a chance to look good while causing problems....they do not care at all!
David R. Amos 
Reply to @Kathleen Maduro: "Leonardo DiCaprio cruising in the biggest private yacht in the world up and down the Brazilian coast during World Cup"

Methinks that nevertheless that was pretty "rich" N'esy Pas?


Ryan Jason
Reply to @David R. Amos: So actors attempting to use their influence to promote change is bad, but corporate CEOs doing the same thing, only they are actively participating in the problem are somehow good? 



Matt Thuaii
Reply to @James Bilodeau:

I could not care less what rich entertainers think about most things. I care what I think. I think the climate is shifting dramatically, in my lifetime, and any reputable science I’ve seen on the subject backs that up. In fact, anyone can look up the images of melting Arctic sea ice taken from space, and see the shrinking coverage for themselves... 


...so I also believe what my eyes tell me.



David R. Amos 
Reply to @Ryan Jason: Methinks that was a poor attempt at a trick question However its incredibly comical that you cannot see the irony in their hypocrisy N'esy Pas? 

Brad Mercier
Reply to @Ryan Jason: Yeah it is called hypocrisy.

David R. Amos  
Reply to @Matt Thuaii: "so I also believe what my eyes tell me"

Me Too

Methinks there is no denying that there is a change in the weather. However I strongly dispute the cause of it as is my right to do N'esy Pas? 

 

Ryan Jason
Reply to @David R. Amos: "However I strongly dispute the cause of it as is my right to do N'esy Pas?" True, you could also claim that 1+1=3, as that too is your right, but it doesn't make you right... see the difference.



David R. Amos
Reply to @Ryan Jason: Do you see the difference?

https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right









Paul Howell
Justin Trudeau did not like what a volunteer was saying. The volunteer was saying that Trudeau's photo op was stopping the sand bagging from moving out by trucks. Trudeau did not like what the volunteer was saying so Trudeau and another Liberal were pushing around the volunteer, telling him to be quiet and in the end Trudeau called the volunteer names. The volunteer was there to help, Trudeau was there for photo ops.


Steven Scott 
Reply to @Paul Howell:
Boy are you full of it today, nothing you said was even remotely true .....
Dwight Williams 
Reply to @Paul Howell:

The poor man had one job to do, and he blew it. He was sent to make a scene in front of the cameras, but he couldn't hold back his hate and ranted on so long that he not only made himself look like a sphincter, he made it clear that this was no chance encounter.

Conservatives always overdo it. They can't help themselves.
Paul Howell 
Reply to @Dwight Williams:
The first Liberal lady came up to the volunteer and started to push him back. Trudeau could have walked away and the episode would be over in a minute. But then Trudeau came up to the volunteer and started the grab the volunteer's arm . If the volunteer were to touch the first Liberal or Trudeau the volunteer would have been arrested but Trudeau can push around anyone he likes.
Peter Baxter 
Reply to @Paul Howell: And CBC reported the story with no mention of most of the relevant facts! Who says fake news is not alive and well!
Peter Baxter 
Reply to @Steven Scott: Oh yes, it is true, at least according to other media outlets....just hidden from the public by the CBC reports!
Elaine Hancock 
Reply to @Paul Howell: When Trudeau called the volunteer ‘unfriendly and unneighbourly’ it showed just what a spoilt, entitled, fool Trudeau really is.
Norm Dixon
Reply to @Steven Scott: Who is the Denier now?!!!!!
Steven Scott  
Reply to @Elaine Hancock:
Have you looked in the mirror today, you should after a rebuttal like that ......
Peter Baxter
Reply to @Dwight Williams: Nice!!!! Facts are not facts. In your reality the volunteer getting manhandled by Justin was was a conservative shill!!! Wow Dwight....just wow!
David R. Amos  
Reply to @Peter Baxter: "Wow Dwight....just wow! "

Too Too Funny Indeed











Reid Cowper
How much of Canada's 1.6% of the world's ghg emissions do we have to cut to stop the flooding?


George Bath 
Reply to @Reid Cowper: any contraption that pollutes hydrocarbons is the answer reid. simple isn't it 
 

Larry Mackenzie
Reply to @george bath:

Lake Trudeau's jet? That's a big contraption. A vacation machine.



George Bath 
Reply to @Larry Mackenzie: yes larry the same one andy uses weekly to fly to flat lander country
Reid Cowper 
Reply to @george bath: It's a simple question george that you won't answer.


Peter Baxter
Reply to @Reid Cowper: He can't answer! No one can .... because it is impossible to defend the myth that reducing Canadian emissions, by any amount, will have any effect on Global Warming. Cutting our emissions dramatically will not even result in a rounding error to measuring the real problem


George Bath
Reply to @Peter Baxter: go ahead peter, turn on your auto in your house and see how well your breathing is.
Reid Cowper
Reply to @Peter Baxter: There's no room for logic in this debate. That's why it's kept on an emotional level. 
 

George Bath
Reply to @Reid Cowper: continue to obfuscate the facts about the effects of fossil fuels pollution with straw man arguments. 


Peter Baxter
Reply to @george bath: Nothing like using the word obfuscate to obfuscate the real facts while insinuating the opposite  


David R. Amos
Reply to @Reid Cowper: "It's a simple question george that you won't answer. "

Methinks he never will N'esy Pas? 



David R. Amos
Reply to @Reid Cowper: "Still no answer. How about an educated guess?"

Methinks he must have joined the chorus of crickets I hear in the background N'esy Pas? 

 

James Fitzgibbon
Reply to @Reid Cowper:

Well, Sparky, there are actually other nations in the world beside Canada and they, too, are tackling climate change. Why, many of them have had carbon pricing for years, including most of the richest nations on earth. Germany, for example. So we only need to worry about cleaning up our own mess, not everyone else's.

But hey, let's apply your "logic" to your street. How about I just throw my garbage on your street. I'm sure you won't mind. After all, my garbage is only a small part of the total amount of garbage.



David Lawlor
Reply to @Reid Cowper:
That's so mean using numbers in science oh yeah of little faith.
 
 
David R. Amos  
Reply to @david lawlor: What has God got to do with this spit and chew?
 
 
David R. Amos   
Reply to @James Fitzgibbon : Methinks only desperate friend of Trudeau would call another man "Sparky" then offer such a ridiculous argument N'esy Pas?














Paul Howell 
A great picture of Justin Trudeau shoveling it again.  


David R. Amos  
Reply to @Paul Howell: "A great picture of Justin Trudeau shoveling it again."

Well Put Sir  














Rob Preston
Yes there is climate change. Yes there is divided reasons for it and how to deal with it. Liberals want to tax everyone for it, and the right want a real plan how to stop it. It is a political debate. And it will be a factor in October's election.


George Bath 
Reply to @Rob Preston:
am I supposed to pay for your sewage, water, air and garbage? or are you responsible. those taxes do affect climate change pal.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Rob Preston: "it will be a factor in October's election. "

Oh So True










Thomas Collins
So the recent report from "scientists" that says Canada is warming rapidly only used 70 years of data on a 4.5 billion year old planet. That's like a single drop in a vast ocean. PLUS they conveniently left out the data from the hot and dry Dirty Thirties which would have mitigated their numbers substantially. PLUS they conveniently released their findings at the same time as Justin's carbon tax. This report wasn't science, it was pure politics. 

David R. Amos  
Reply to @Thomas Collins: "PLUS they conveniently released their findings at the same time as Justin's carbon tax. This report wasn't science, it was pure politics."

Methinks everything political is always about the money N'esy Pas? 













Sammy Redfeather
When the Ottawa river flooded two years apart in 1974 and again in 1976 was that climate change?...1909?, 1928?,1947?, 1951?...all climate change?


Bob Terwilliger
Reply to @Sammy Redfeather: According to a few radical leftists, yes.
 
 
Aaron Jones
Reply to @Sammy Redfeather: Please understand the difference between short term localized weather patterns and long term global climate trends.
 
 
Paul Andrew Cerniuk 
Reply to @Aaron Jones: Not sure of your intentions with your comment, so just in case I'll point out that that kinda was what Sammy was saying. 
 

David R. Amos 
Reply to @Paul Andrew Cerniuk: I doubt he even read it because he posted the same reply in other comment threads













Chelsea Lang
We had a lot of snow this winter. Naturally the spring thaw is causing floods. It’s called season change, not climate change.


Aaron Jones
Reply to @Chelsea Lang: Before posting about climate change ... please become familiar with the difference between short term localized weather and long term global climate trends.
David R. Amos 
Reply to @Aaron Jones: Methinks the lady has every right to state her opinion even if it does not suit you N'esy Pas? 
 

Aaron Jones
Reply to @David R. Amos: People have a right to an informed opinion. If one is ignorant to the fundamentals or basics of a concept they have no right to comment on it.


David R. Amos  
Reply to @Aaron Jones: Methinks some folks may enjoy a quote of a wiseguy that I often use to answer members of peoplekind who think the know everything N'esy Pas?

Confucius Said" To know what you know and what you do not know, that is true knowledge."















Max Kaminsky
Carbon tax = Playdough for Liberal social engineering.


David R. Amos
Reply to @Max Kaminsky: YUP



















Mark (Junkman) George
Nice "spin" this morning Aaron Wherry.
So now we are politicizing the hardship some folks have had/ are having for pure political gain? This is a really new low for the CBC.
LOOK! Folks make dumb choices, they buy houses in forests, and on flood plains. Lots of those folks are unwilling to take the blame for their poor choices, and why not get them blaming a political party, gives you mileage, and lets them feel good.
SHAME.



David R. Amos 
Reply to @Mark (Junkman) George: Methinks spinning is his job N'esy Pas?










George Bath
calm down darin and larry
accept the reality that your leadership is flawed.


 
Larry Mackenzie
Reply to @george bath:

I'm okay George, I'm not running around with my hair on fire, replying to every single post, getting angry and bent.


Bob Toso
Reply to @Larry Mackenzie: It seems you start out already bent

George Bath 
Reply to @Larry Mackenzie: yes are replying to every single post and adding your own "opinion to systematically misinform Canadians.

Bob Toso  
Reply to @Larry Mackenzie: You aren't adding anything to the discussion - just using personal attacks.


David R. Amos 
Reply to @Bob Toso: I will add something to the discussion

Try Googling "Fundy Royal Debate" watch the video and listen to my point of view then come back and argue me if you wish to.

















Pat Fisher
Con environmental policies are thin gruel, like Andy's academic, work and life experiences.


Darin Fortin
Reply to @pat fisher: like a drama teacher


Dav Fenn
Reply to @Darin Fortin:

He did teach school for 18 months. That counts for something...



Mark (Junkman) George
Reply to @pat fisher:

Hey Pat! Most of the flooding here (in NB) is due to 2 things. The provincial government simply refuses to control water flow in the spring AND if you let an unnamed company cut down all the trees on hillsides and valleys again you have an uncontrolled water situation.
Neither the Liberals, or CONServatives, are prepared to rectify either of those situations, so making this a "political event" really serves no purpose.
Of interest to note: NB was absolutely full of railways at one time, gone now, their legacy remains as walking trails. Generally, if you build/buy higher than those old railway roadbeds you should remain flood free.

 
Pat Fisher
Reply to @Mark (Junkman) George: Good post Mark. I agree.



David R. Amos
Reply to @pat fisher: "Good post Mark. I agree."

Me Too 

 

Peter Baxter
Reply to @pat fisher: As opposed to the Drama teacher who created a make believe story that taxing Canadians more is certainly the answer! Only a professional story teller could convince people that reducing 1% of a problem by some small percentage means anything other than a pork barrel for Justin










 


George Bath
so much denial about the effects of hydrocarbon emissions in urban cities.


Larry Mackenzie 
Reply to @george bath:

Seems to make you angry.



George Bath 
Reply to @Larry Mackenzie: anger from reading your posts?
lol, larry
help Canada and Canadians not just yourself.



Darin Fortin 
Reply to @george bath: stop driving an automobile George.


Larry Mackenzie  
Reply to @Darin Fortin:

Start paying some taxes George, be a positive rather than a negative



George Bath 
Reply to @Darin Fortin: I dont own a vehicle hun.


George Bath 
Reply to @Larry Mackenzie: I pay taxes every day larry do you pay taxes larry?


George Bath 
Reply to @Larry Mackenzie: do you want an apology, I'll get my local MP to send it to you. weak conservatives


Larry Mackenzie 
Reply to @george bath:

My experience in life has been that people like you to not apologize.



George Bath 
Reply to @Larry Mackenzie: your quite a reactionary angry man.


David R. Amos 
Reply to @george bath: "your quite a reactionary angry man"

Methinks folks who live in glass houses should not chuck rocks N'esy Pas? 


 
Peter Baxter
Reply to @george bath: Such denial that 1% contributors have the power to make any difference




Climate change is on the move — but the political debate is standing still

Voters' support for climate action still splits along left-right lines


Resident Stephanie Bolduc takes a picture of her flooded street on Monday, April 29, 2019 in Ste.Marthe-sur-la-Lac, Que. (Ryan Remiorz/THE CANADIAN PRESS)

Before spring began, Canadian political leaders were already debating how to respond to the profound challenge of climate change. Now, they're doing it while neighbourhoods in Ontario, Quebec and New Brunswick are under water.

In theory, those rising waters ought to bring a new sense of urgency to the debate. But this spring's floods still seem unlikely to wash away the stark partisan differences that have emerged over climate policy in this country.

The flooding does at least put climate change front and centre. An abstract threat has been made tangible. A problem for the future is suddenly immediate and apparent.







And beyond the expressions of concern for the people directly affected, the conversation has quickly moved to necessary and important questions about adapting to climate change. Is this the new normal? And if it is, what should be done about the homes and infrastructure built in areas that could now be subjected to annual flooding?

It wouldn't be surprising if news coverage of the flooding leads to a spike in public concern about climate change. Last fall, researchers at the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication suggested that higher levels of concern about global warming in some parts of the U.S. were associated with direct experience: those living in states where the effects of climate change are more apparent (coastal storms, wildfires, flooding) tend to take it more seriously.

But other research has found a "weak and quickly dissipating relationship between Americans' experiences of extreme weather and their concern about climate change."

Experience may be a poor teacher


This is hardly the first time Canadians have been faced with the direct impacts of a changing climate. Recall the devastating Fort McMurray wildfire in 2016, or the flooding in Ontario and Quebec in 2017, or the record wildfires in British Columbia in 2018. None of those events produced an overwhelming or lasting consensus in Canada about the urgent need to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and mitigate the future impacts of climate change.

But those events might have been seen as rare, one-off calamities. A recurring series of increasingly devastating events eventually could push public opinion to a tipping point, both in terms of concern about climate change and public support for actions to meaningfully reduce carbon emissions.

Standing in the way of overwhelming agreement is a partisan divide — with Liberal, NDP and Green supporters on one side, Conservatives on the other.


Prime Minister Justin Trudeau shovels sand to fill sandbags with his son Xavier, as son Hadrien watches, in the Ottawa community of Constance Bay as flooding continues to affect the region on Saturday, April 27, 2019. (Justin Tang/THE CANADIAN PRESS)

Overall, 70 per cent of respondents to a recent Abacus Data survey said that climate change would be among their "top five" concerns when they vote in the federal election this fall.

But that national figure hides a significant split. Among those who support Justin Trudeau's Liberal government, 81 per cent consider it a top five issue. Eighty-six per cent of NDP supporters and 84 per cent of Green supporters agree. But only 46 per cent of Conservative voters consider climate change a top-five concern.

That roughly lines up with an earlier finding from Abacus on Canadians' belief in global warming. Seventy-four per cent of Liberal and NDP supporters said there is "conclusive" evidence that the planet is getting warmer. Just 49 per cent of Conservative supporters agreed.

A left/right split on climate change is not unique to Canada and it's less pronounced here than in the United States. But it's also higher here than in several other countries. In its own polling, Pew found a 22-point gap between "liberal" Canadians and "conservative" Canadians on the question of whether climate change was a major threat to their country (80 per cent versus 55 per cent). In France, that gap was just eight points (86 per cent to 78 per cent).


Conservative leader Andrew Scheer speaks to supporters before a door-knocking event for volunteers in the Kanata suburb of Ottawa on Thursday, April 25, 2019. (Justin Tang/THE CANADIAN PRESS)

All of which aligns with how climate change has been debated in the political arena over the past decade. Successive Liberal and NDP leaders have proposed pricing carbon to reduce emissions.

Conservative leaders, many of whom once supported the idea of pricing carbon, have loudly condemned the Liberal and NDP proposals without quite explaining what they would do instead.

A brief glimmer of all-party agreement on the goal of reducing emissions emerged in 2017 when MPs voted 277 to 1 in support of the Paris accord on climate change. But the debate has since retrenched and is now more clearly than ever about different levels of commitment.

The debate over doing less


Andrew Scheer has refused to promise that a Conservative climate plan would align with Canada's international commitment to reduce emissions by 30 per cent below 2005 levels by 2030. His new provincial allies — Doug Ford in Ontario, Blaine Higgs in New Brunswick and Jason Kenney in Alberta — have all scaled back climate policies and goals in their respective provinces.

What could have been a debate about how to achieve Canada's climate targets seems instead to be turning into a debate about if the federal government should try.

As the Conservatives are now quick to point out, the Liberal government's current policies don't add up yet to the projected reductions necessary to meet Canada's target. That could undercut Liberal attacks on Scheer. It's also an opening for the NDP to criticize the Liberals for not going far enough.

But the basic question of concern still breaks along partisan lines.

If this month's flooding (and whatever else climate change has in store for us over the spring and summer) has a political impact, it might be to persuade the Conservatives to aim for something closer to Canada's Paris target. It might also motivate the Liberals to add to their agenda and fill in the gap between current projections and Canada's international target.

But the frame of this debate seems to be frozen in place. The planet might have to get even hotter before that changes.

About the Author

 


Aaron Wherry
Parliament Hill Bureau
Aaron Wherry has covered Parliament Hill since 2007 and has written for Maclean's, the National Post and the Globe and Mail.

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