http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-power-move-iran-nuclear-deal-us-motivation-1.4654175
Thomas G MacMillan
Jennifer McIsaac
Gord McPherson
Sue Dow
Ken Likness
Gorden Feist
Kimmy Smith
Maxim Verite
Michael Murphy
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-iran-nuclear-deal-1.4653154
thomas stewart
Trump is a reckless fool.
Iran is a rising nation, a significant regional power and the Accord was a reasonable way to have Iran and the West move forward after so many decades of very bitter conflict.
This is a sad moment.
"Sad may come later if common sense does not finally become part of Trump's narcissistic reasoning"
There will be no common sense---not from this President---and that's why it is a sad moment. I see this as an opportunity lost.
It may well turn out to be something more than 'sad' if, in a worst case scenario, this act leads to an escalation of tensions between Iran and the US-Israel Axis of Imbecility and an outbreak of overt hostilities.
It is astonishing to think that I am looking to Iran to be the 'grown up' in this scenario.
FYI I am a whistle blower about financial crimes and I made certain that everybody in the know knows it. That is the reason why I ran for public office in Canada five times while suing the Crown and legions of lawyers etc.
As David McCaig said to you after you replied to me
"FOLLOW THE MONEY"
Methinks I should humbly suggest that folks Google the following words and check my work ASAP before Trump and his greedy NATO buddies make the Cold War 2.0 much worse than it already is.
Trump David Amos NAFTA FATCA
I suspect all folks blessed with common sense consider Trump's cronies applying for the Nobel Peace Prize on his behalf to be the ultimate joke N'esy Pas?
Kevin Graves (AKA Jaspersdad)
Jamie Robins
Edna Knight
Dave Hall
Dionne Albert
thomas stewart
No, I don't think Trump is trying to provoke Iran (although that might indeed be the outcome). I think he is so focused on his own needs to A) be seen to fulfill his campaign pledge and B) rouse up the 'base' with a good walloping action against a longstanding 'enemy' that he just acts without taking into account the possible consequences.
This is about his boasting points. He will strut around like a peacock for a few days thinking he has 'shown those Iranians'.
It is a good cover over after the whole Giuliani debacle on the weekedn
It's a "catastrophe,""horrendous,""a disaster,""insane,""one-sided" and "nuclear blackmail."
U.S. President Donald Trump has said a lot of things over the years about the Iran nuclear deal he just reneged on.
So perhaps one of the most telling moments came Tuesday when the president fell silent as a reporter shouted a question to him. The president was holding aloft a signed executive order reinstating sanctions on Iran, effectively withdrawing the U.S. from the deal negotiated three years ago among six other world powers.
"How," the journalist asked, "does this make America safer?"
Trump ignored her question. She repeated her query.
"Thank you very much," the president said, wrapping up. "This will make America much safer."
It was a non-answer that only served to confirm the suspicions of Suzanne Marlowe, deputy director of the foreign policy program at the Brookings Institution.
"He couldn't answer. He didn't explain, he doesn't have an answer to that," Marlowe said. "If he's convinced the restrictions imposed were insufficient, or the monitoring of the regime was insufficient, how does the absence of these measures and restrictions provide greater security for the U.S.?"
And does this administration have a viable Plan B to re-engage Iran? The apparent answer, she said, is no.
Opponents of the Obama-era accord want to scrap it on the grounds it has expiration dates. They also argue it isn't tough enough on security issues that are outside the bounds of the deal. But a U.S. withdrawal doesn't unravel the deal, formally known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, entirely.
Trump's stated goal is to renegotiate the Iran deal to terms he likes. So he withdrew.
"That's a power move by the president," said Behnam Ben Taleblu, an expert on Iranian security with the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. "To restore sanctions to their heights, turning everything to the max, he did not leave room for ambiguity. That's a power move."
To Marlowe, it's not so much a "power move" as a self-serving one.
"I would interpret it as an ego move," she said. "It played to his own sense of identification as sort of the master of the deal," even at the risk of a global calamity.
Trump declared the U.S. would no longer waive key sanctions on Iran. Taking away this relief amounts to reneging on the deal. Four months ago, in January, Trump set a 120-day deadline, vowing he would back out of the deal unless amendments were made. The deadline comes up on May 12.
"This is a last chance. In the absence of such an agreement, the United States will not again waive sanctions in order to stay in the Iran nuclear deal," Trump said at the time.
Since then, former Trump advisers who backed the deal, including former national security adviser H.R. McMaster and former secretary of state Rex Tillerson, have been replaced by hawks John Bolton and Mike Pompeo.
Global signatories and many non-proliferation experts believe the president is making a serious diplomatic mistake. They fear that American withdrawal will threaten to:
It excluded what Trump called "sinister" activities on regional security issues. For example, the terms didn't limit Iran's ballistic missile development or its support for militant groups like Hezbollah or Hamas.
Trump also hates the fact that it includes sunset clauses after 10 and 15 years.
Inspections would still carry on, but that hasn't appeased critics of the deal like Jed Babbin, a former U.S. deputy undersecretary of defence in the first Bush administration.
"The president wants to make it essentially permanent. He wants to make the inspection regime something more realistic than what we have now," Babbin said in an interview.
Trump falsely claimed that Iran is allowed to "self-inspect" its sites — an allegation the International Atomic Energy Agency rejects.
"That's baloney," said Cirincione, with Ploughshares Fund. "They're referring to an inspection of a military facility at Parchin, where the Iranians collected the samples that the IAEA then photographed and tested. But the IAEA has complete authority to go anywhere they want with notice."
Iran has not technically violated the deal, according to the IAEA's reports. Even the Trump administration grudgingly admitted so, recertifying the deal twice — first in April, then again in July.
By October, Trump refused to certify the deal again, complaining that Iran violated "the spirit" of the arrangement. He did not reimpose sanctions at that time.
This is the first time since Trump came into office that he opted not to renew the waivers. That's different from decertifying the deal.
"This time, we're really toying with U.S. implementation of the deal and whether the U.S. will remain true to its commitments," said David Mortlock, a sanctions lawyer who worked on Iran-related issues in the Obama administration.
Certification of the deal is a domestic issue. Under the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act, the president must "recertify" to Congress every 90 days that Iran is complying with the deal.
Decertifying the deal gave Congress the power to reimpose sanctions. Lawmakers allowed the easing to continue.
A recent CNN poll suggests 63 per cent of Americans favour the Iran nuclear deal while one done by polling firm Morning Consult found 56 per cent support it.
Although it doesn't tie up a host of nasty regional security issues, proponents reason that it beats an alternative in which Tehran is free to increase nuclear activities right away.
Last Updated: 11 hours ago
President Donald Trump announced Tuesday the U.S. will pull out of the landmark nuclear accord with Iran, dealing a profound blow to U.S. allies and potentially deepening the president's isolation on the world stage.
"The United States does not make empty threats," he said from the White House in a televised address.
Trump's decision means Iran's government must now decide whether to follow the U.S. and withdraw or try to salvage what's left of the deal. Iran has offered conflicting statements about what it may do — and the answer may depend on exactly how Trump exits the agreement.
Trump said he would move to reimpose all sanctions on Iran that had been lifted under the 2015 deal, not just the ones facing an immediate deadline. This had become known informally as the "nuclear option" because of the near certainty that such a move would scuttle the deal.
"At the heart of the Iran deal was a giant fiction. That a murderous regime desired only a peaceful nuclear energy program," Trump said. "Today, we have definitive proof that this Iranian promise was a lie."
He cited intelligence documents published last week by Israel, saying those documents "conclusively" showed Iran's "history of pursuing nuclear weapons. The fact is, this was a horrible, one-sided deal that should have never, ever been made."
"It didn't bring calm, it didn't bring peace and it never will."
According to Reuters, most of the material the Israeli prime minister presented was from before the 2015 accord was finalized. Netanyahu did say, however, that Iran had added to its "nuclear weapons knowledge" since then.
Supporters of fixing the agreement had hoped Trump would choose a piecemeal approach that could leave more room for him to reverse himself and stay in the deal if he could secure the additional restrictions that European nations tried unsuccessfully to negotiate with him.
Still, the administration planned to allow a grace period of at least three months and possibly up to six months so that businesses and governments can wind down operations that will violate the reimposed U.S. sanctions.
A slower withdrawal process could allow more room for Trump to reverse course later and decide to stay — if he secures the additional restrictions on Iran that European nations tried unsuccessfully to negotiate to prevent him from withdrawing.
Indeed, as administration officials briefed congressional leaders about Trump's plans Tuesday, they emphasized that just as with a major Asia trade deal and the Paris climate pact that Trump has abandoned, he remains open to renegotiating a better deal, one person briefed on the talks said.
Trump has lambasted the 2015 agreement, which was brokered by former president Barack Obama's administration, since his days as a presidential candidate.
On Tuesday, Obama said Trump's move was a "serious mistake" and "misguided," especially because Iran has been complying with the deal.
"The consistent flouting of agreements that our country is a party to risks eroding America's credibility, and puts us at odds with the world's major powers," Obama said.
Without the deal, the U.S. "could eventually be left with a losing choice between a nuclear-armed Iran or another war in the Middle East," Obama said.
He added that the deal remains a model for what diplomacy can accomplish, including when it comes to North Korea.
Watch to see more of Trump's statement.
Former U.S. secretary of state John Kerry, who played a key role in the Obama administration's effort to craft the deal, also said that withdrawing from the Iran nuclear deal "doesn't make sense."
Kerry, speaking at a gathering on food innovation in Milan on Tuesday, says he challenges anyone to find an agreement tougher than the one in place now.
United Nations Secretary General Antonio Guterres also called the deal a "major achievement in nuclear non-proliferation and diplomacy" and said he was "deeply disappointed" with Trump's decision.
Guterres called on all other UN member states to continue to support the Iran agreement.
French President Emmanuel Macron tweeted that France, Germany and the U.K. "regret the U.S. decision" and that "the nuclear non-proliferation regime is at stake."
Macron said that they would work on a "broader" agreement "covering nuclear activity ... and stability in the Middle East, notably Syria, Yemen and Iraq."
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland on Tuesday reiterated Canada's support for the deal, known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA).
"Iran must not be allowed to develop nuclear weapons," Freeland said in a statement, adding that the 2015 deal put Iran's nuclear program under a "rigorous and unprecedented international verification regime by the International Atomic Energy Agency."
Freeland's statement said while the deal isn't perfect, it has "helped to curb a real threat to international peace and security."
The foreign minister also noted that Canada has condemned Iran's ballistic missile program and maintains sanctions targeting it.
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani reacted quickly to Trump's announcement in a live address on state television, saying there is a "short time" to negotiate with the countries remaining in the nuclear deal and he will be sending his foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, to meet with them.
Rouhani warned Iran could start enriching uranium "in the next weeks."
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, meanwhile, praised Trump's decision, calling it a "historic move."
Netanyahu, a leading critic of the deal, said leaving it unchanged would be "a recipe for disaster, a disaster for our region, a disaster for the peace of the world."
'An ego move': If Trump's exit from the Iran deal protects Americans, he's not saying how
'This is the most disastrous decision the Trump administration has ever made,' analyst says
Thomas G MacMillan
I'll guarantee Trump couldn't find Iran on a map. Fox news will tell him "he done good" and he'll bask in the adoration of his mouth breathing base so all is right in his world; except of course all the witch hunts.
Sam Malone
@Thomas G MacMillan
What, lol? How do you breath? Witch hunts? You mean the soft coup?
What, lol? How do you breath? Witch hunts? You mean the soft coup?
Michael Murphy
@Sam Malone "mouth breathing base"
Yup, proved the point, well done
Yup, proved the point, well done
Sam Malone
@Michael Murphy
The left only breaths out of their nose? Is that sort of like how they look down their nose at others, too?
The left only breaths out of their nose? Is that sort of like how they look down their nose at others, too?
David Amos
@Sam Malone LOL Methinks Iggy did it all the time N'esy Pas?
Jennifer McIsaac
As usual, this has nothing to do with safety or security but everything to do with Trump's ego that was battered by Barack Obama.
Trump has decided to undo everything that Obama did regardless of the outcome.
Unfortunately, this will likely have some unpleasant outcomes but then Trump will glory in the adulation he gets from the ignorant masses who see this as another raised finger to the establishment.
Trump has decided to undo everything that Obama did regardless of the outcome.
Unfortunately, this will likely have some unpleasant outcomes but then Trump will glory in the adulation he gets from the ignorant masses who see this as another raised finger to the establishment.
William Weston
@Andrew Ernyes
The most outstanding quality of the President of the United States should not be that he is head and shoulders above ‘spineless invertebrate’ anything. Our democracies have devolved into colosseum rivalries of politicians selected by anonymous insiders and transformed into political characters by corporate media. We don’t vote, we pick from very limited lists provided by people with very limited concern for citizens. Politicians are presented to us like characters in ‘Midsomer Murders’ and our job is to watch, listen and pick the right one. They're actors playing a role written for them by others.
The problem doesn't start with those we elect; the problem starts when we elect them.
Some voters realize things aren’t always as they are presented: “While candidate Obama came to office pledging to end George W Bush’s wars, he leaves office having been at war longer than any president in US history. He is also the only president to serve two complete terms with the nation at war.” - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/09/america-dropped-26171-bombs-2016-obama-legacy
If we want politicians to represent us, we must elect politicians who represent us. They must come from our choosing, preferably our communities, not theirs.
The most outstanding quality of the President of the United States should not be that he is head and shoulders above ‘spineless invertebrate’ anything. Our democracies have devolved into colosseum rivalries of politicians selected by anonymous insiders and transformed into political characters by corporate media. We don’t vote, we pick from very limited lists provided by people with very limited concern for citizens. Politicians are presented to us like characters in ‘Midsomer Murders’ and our job is to watch, listen and pick the right one. They're actors playing a role written for them by others.
The problem doesn't start with those we elect; the problem starts when we elect them.
Some voters realize things aren’t always as they are presented: “While candidate Obama came to office pledging to end George W Bush’s wars, he leaves office having been at war longer than any president in US history. He is also the only president to serve two complete terms with the nation at war.” - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/09/america-dropped-26171-bombs-2016-obama-legacy
If we want politicians to represent us, we must elect politicians who represent us. They must come from our choosing, preferably our communities, not theirs.
Jennifer McIsaac
@William Weston
I don't doubt that people enter public service with the best of intentions in the main. Then the realities of the political world turn their idealism into pragmatism and finally into subservience to the system.
Very few are able to resist the decline.
I don't doubt that people enter public service with the best of intentions in the main. Then the realities of the political world turn their idealism into pragmatism and finally into subservience to the system.
Very few are able to resist the decline.
David Amos
@William Weston Well Put Sir
David Amos
@Michael Murphy Methinks you talk just like a certain lawyer I know N'esy Pas?
Gord McPherson
Look, I can sign my name!
That I can tell you.
The only disaster worthy of mention is the one sitting in the White House.
That I can tell you.
The only disaster worthy of mention is the one sitting in the White House.
Roy T. Gilroy
@Gord McPherson And in Ottawa
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David Amos
David Amos
@Roy T. Gilroy I agree
Methinks Trudeau The Younger has been Trump's #1 cheerleader way too many times N'esy Pas?
Methinks Trudeau The Younger has been Trump's #1 cheerleader way too many times N'esy Pas?
Clifton Tremblay
@Roy T. Gilroy PRAISED BE THE CHILD-MESS-IAH! He shall be please with your deflection.
Margaret Bricknell
@Roy T. Gilroy
Thank you- I wondered who would be the first to bring Canada's PM into a discussion about the American president today. You win.
You must be so proud!
Thank you- I wondered who would be the first to bring Canada's PM into a discussion about the American president today. You win.
You must be so proud!
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David Amos
@Margaret Bricknell Methinks its not rocket science to figure why Mr Gilroy's comment went "Poof" N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Margaret Bricknell Hmmm
Sue Dow
This just insulates the US more. North Korea must be laughing. And I think Iran is too. Why can Israel have nucks and no one else?
Roy T. Gilroy
@Sue Dow What's a "Nuck"??
David Amos
@Sue Dow "Why can Israel have nucks and no one else?"
Good luck getting an answer to that very legitimate question
Good luck getting an answer to that very legitimate question
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David Amos
@Roy T. Gilroy Methinks its the same sort of thing that makes your comments go "Poof" after folks have responded to you N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Roy T. Gilroy Methinks its rather rough trying to respond to you N'esy Pas?
I can't help but think of the old maps Maritimers had before the Nina the and the Pinta and the Santa Maria. set sail and headed west. At the far edges they said beyond this point there be dragons. Call me crazy if you wish but methinks I see dragons peeking over the horizon.
John Dirlik
@Neil Turv
You make a valid point. Chinese reading of Trump's administration may have indeed been a factor in them apply more pressure on North Korea.
You make a valid point. Chinese reading of Trump's administration may have indeed been a factor in them apply more pressure on North Korea.
David Amos
@John Dirlik In my humble opinion the Chinese can't be played. They do just exactly what they want to do when they want to do it for reasons that benefit them only. Methinks they are uniting the Far East under their wing before the Yankee petrodollar takes the very predictable nosedive N'esy Pas?
I can't help but think of the old maps Maritimers had before the Nina the and the Pinta and the Santa Maria. set sail and headed west. At the far edges they said beyond this point there be dragons. Call me crazy if you wish but methinks I see dragons peeking over the horizon.
Ken Likness
The longer Trumps impeachment is delayed the sooner the free world will be required to embargo the United States. What a change of global perception in just two years.
Sandy Gillis
@Jacob Barlow
Well, I think the first and biggest reason he needs to go is the massive number of lies he's told the American public. Here's an article discussing that:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/05/01/president-trump-has-made-3001-false-or-misleading-claims-so-far/
I mean, seriously, how can the public have any confidence whatsoever in anything Trump does or says when he will lie about absolutely anything and everything?
Of course, when you get past that, we'll have to wait and see how everything plays out on the obstruction of justice issue (I mean, seriously, he came right out and said he fired the Director of the FBI to try to derail an investigation into his campaign). Then there's the question of illegal campaign finances, not reporting donations and all that. It would be pretty darn precedent setting for Congress to ignore that, no matter how small the dollar amount. As long as you don't get caught during the campaign, you can break whatever election laws you want?
Oh, and as to the "actual law" part, Congress can impeach for pretty much whatever they want. There doesn't need to be any sort of criminal indictment or anything like that. The only thing they need to concern themselves with is how it will play to the electorate at the next election.
Well, I think the first and biggest reason he needs to go is the massive number of lies he's told the American public. Here's an article discussing that:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/05/01/president-trump-has-made-3001-false-or-misleading-claims-so-far/
I mean, seriously, how can the public have any confidence whatsoever in anything Trump does or says when he will lie about absolutely anything and everything?
Of course, when you get past that, we'll have to wait and see how everything plays out on the obstruction of justice issue (I mean, seriously, he came right out and said he fired the Director of the FBI to try to derail an investigation into his campaign). Then there's the question of illegal campaign finances, not reporting donations and all that. It would be pretty darn precedent setting for Congress to ignore that, no matter how small the dollar amount. As long as you don't get caught during the campaign, you can break whatever election laws you want?
Oh, and as to the "actual law" part, Congress can impeach for pretty much whatever they want. There doesn't need to be any sort of criminal indictment or anything like that. The only thing they need to concern themselves with is how it will play to the electorate at the next election.
David Amos
@Sandy Gillis "Well, I think the first and biggest reason he needs to go is the massive number of lies he's told the American public"
Methinks you also believe that Obama deserved the Nobel Peace Prize N'esy Pas?
Methinks you also believe that Obama deserved the Nobel Peace Prize N'esy Pas?
Sandy Gillis
@David Amos
Yethinks wrong, which it seems you do often, Nest Paws?
Yethinks wrong, which it seems you do often, Nest Paws?
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David Amos
David Amos
@Sandy Gillis Methinks thou doth jest too much for a LIEbrano N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Sandy Gillis Methinks when CBC blocks a fair reply to an insult I know why N'esy Pas?
Sandy Gillis
@David Amos
Yethinks a lot more of your importance to others than others do David, Nest Paws?
Yethinks a lot more of your importance to others than others do David, Nest Paws?
David Amos
@Sandy Gillis Methinks that may be true but I know for a fact that you do nt know me at all even though you claimed that you did weeks ago. FYI I called the dude I know with the same name Trust that he had no clue about the nonsense within CBC comment sections like you certainly do N'esy Pas?
Sandy Gillis
@David Amos
Well, considering I personally know of two other people with the same name (one male, one female) besides myself, who cares what the dude you know has to say? There are many Sandy Gillis's in Canada.
Also, I never claimed to know you. I actually pointed out quite the opposite. You regularly post things like "Trust that I know..." or similar (you just did it in your response to me), and I noted that, since none of us here know you or who you are, or why you would purport to speak with authority on any topic, it's ridiculous for us to trust that you know anything.
Almost as ridiculous as it is for you to "methinks" you know anything about my opinion on a topic I haven't posted on, Nest Paws?
Well, considering I personally know of two other people with the same name (one male, one female) besides myself, who cares what the dude you know has to say? There are many Sandy Gillis's in Canada.
Also, I never claimed to know you. I actually pointed out quite the opposite. You regularly post things like "Trust that I know..." or similar (you just did it in your response to me), and I noted that, since none of us here know you or who you are, or why you would purport to speak with authority on any topic, it's ridiculous for us to trust that you know anything.
Almost as ridiculous as it is for you to "methinks" you know anything about my opinion on a topic I haven't posted on, Nest Paws?
David Amos
@Sandy Gillis Methinks you already know for a fact why I sued the Crown while running in the election of the 42nd Parliament In fact that when I informed some folks of that simple fact in the same thread as you thats when you attacked and claimed you knew me. In response I picked up the phone and called the former corporate media dude I knew personally with that name N'esy Pas?
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David Amos
@Sandy Gillis Methinks CBC makes rather difficult to respond to people like you in light of the fact that it blocks a lot of my comments Small wonder that I have blogged about you N'esy Pas?
Sandy Gillis
@David Amos
Nope, I have never suggested nor claimed that I know you in any way. You must have me confused with someone else. I also have no idea why you do anything that you do because, as I just pointed out, I do not know you in any way Nest Paws?
Nope, I have never suggested nor claimed that I know you in any way. You must have me confused with someone else. I also have no idea why you do anything that you do because, as I just pointed out, I do not know you in any way Nest Paws?
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@Sandy Gillis "I do not know you in any way Nest Paws?"
Yea Right
Methinks even you must have reviewed this CBC comment section by now.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
I provided the link to you weeks ago when I thought you were the other dude N'esy Pas?
Yea Right
Methinks even you must have reviewed this CBC comment section by now.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
I provided the link to you weeks ago when I thought you were the other dude N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Sandy Gillis CBC blocked my reply again
Methinks you should Google your name and mine N'esy Pas?
Methinks you should Google your name and mine N'esy Pas?
Sandy Gillis
@David Amos
You're not getting it David, the Sandy Gillis posting here (me) is not the Sandy Gillis you may or may not have had interactions with elsewhere in your life.
You're not getting it David, the Sandy Gillis posting here (me) is not the Sandy Gillis you may or may not have had interactions with elsewhere in your life.
Michael Murphy
@Sandy Gillis
David also once thought I was a former Liberal cabinet minister who happens to post here all day
David also once thought I was a former Liberal cabinet minister who happens to post here all day
Patrick Smyth
@David Amos
It would be way easier to converse/debate if we didn't have to parse through all the self congratulatory things you say about yourself and the silly memes used in almost every post.
Getting one's ego in check is the first step to enlightenment.
It would be way easier to converse/debate if we didn't have to parse through all the self congratulatory things you say about yourself and the silly memes used in almost every post.
Getting one's ego in check is the first step to enlightenment.
David Amos
@Michael Murphy Still do
David Amos
@Patrick Smyth Methinks there can only be one reason why many of my replies to you are blocked N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Sandy Gillis "You're not getting it David, the Sandy Gillis posting here (me) is not the Sandy Gillis you may or may not have had interactions with elsewhere in your life."
If you had bothered to read anything methinks you would know that he and I talked weeks ago and discussed your attacks on me N'esy Pas?
If you had bothered to read anything methinks you would know that he and I talked weeks ago and discussed your attacks on me N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Patrick Smyth Methinks if you sought true enlightenment youe would have googled what I suggested long ago N'esy Pas?
I will leave my ego out off it just Google the following Click on the top hit and give Trump's lawyer a call and tell Mikey Dave says Hey
Trump NAFTA FATCA Cohen
I will leave my ego out off it just Google the following Click on the top hit and give Trump's lawyer a call and tell Mikey Dave says Hey
Trump NAFTA FATCA Cohen
Sandy Gillis
@David Amos
So you had a discussion with someone who just so happens to have the same first and last name as me a couple of weeks ago and complained about how you were treated here? So what David? How does that have any more import than you discussing your hurt feelings with, say, Cornelius Feffledeck or Angela Lee? Are you not seeing that there is no connection between two people just because they happen to have the same name Nest Paws?
So you had a discussion with someone who just so happens to have the same first and last name as me a couple of weeks ago and complained about how you were treated here? So what David? How does that have any more import than you discussing your hurt feelings with, say, Cornelius Feffledeck or Angela Lee? Are you not seeing that there is no connection between two people just because they happen to have the same name Nest Paws?
Sandy Gillis
@David Amos
I don't usually go for the whole text message shorthand, but in this case I just can't resist.....
ROTFLMAO!!!!!
Do you actually think that some blog full of unsubstantiated nonsense that you wrote somehow bolsters the unsubstantiated nonsense you write here?
I don't usually go for the whole text message shorthand, but in this case I just can't resist.....
ROTFLMAO!!!!!
Do you actually think that some blog full of unsubstantiated nonsense that you wrote somehow bolsters the unsubstantiated nonsense you write here?
David Amos
@Sandy Gillis Methinks CBC knows that I had you figured out weeks ago However it appears I must thank both you and CBC because perhaps some ethical folks will check it out now N'esy Pas?
http://www.axialpublishing.com/contact.php
Axial Publishing/Sandy Gillis
2-675 Victoria Drive
Vancouver BC V5L 4E3
Methinks one never waste's his time arguing with brick walls Look at all the pilgrims from around the world to visit an old wail in Jerusalem and talk to it etc. A wise old guy named Jaspers located the axial period as that critical time in history when humanity in China, India, Persia, and the Middle East - began to reflect on itself, roughly between 800 BC and 200 BC That wall was built around then N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Sandy Gillis "How does that have any more import than you discussing your hurt feelings with, say, Cornelius Feffledeck or Angela Lee?"
At the risk of being redundant methinks you should Google your name and mine sometime N'esy Pas?
At the risk of being redundant methinks you should Google your name and mine sometime N'esy Pas?
Sandy Gillis
@David Amos
At the risk of wasting time that could be better spent arguing with a brick wall with a stubborn streak, I'm not the Sandy Gillis you know. I don't care what foolishness you write on your blog. I have never heard of your name outside of this forum and have no interest in your activities outside of this place.
I'm guessing this last part will be received on your end with the proverbial plugging of the ears and yelling "I'm not listening!", but I'll try it anyway: you are not the victim of some conspiracy here. CBC is blocking many of my responses to you too. This is not some plot to silence you.
At the risk of wasting time that could be better spent arguing with a brick wall with a stubborn streak, I'm not the Sandy Gillis you know. I don't care what foolishness you write on your blog. I have never heard of your name outside of this forum and have no interest in your activities outside of this place.
I'm guessing this last part will be received on your end with the proverbial plugging of the ears and yelling "I'm not listening!", but I'll try it anyway: you are not the victim of some conspiracy here. CBC is blocking many of my responses to you too. This is not some plot to silence you.
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David Amos
@Sandy Gillis Methinks a Troll by any other name still stinks once it has been outed N'esy Pas?
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David Amos
@David Amos I will lay odds CBC will block my latest reply N'esy Pas Minister Joly?
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David Amos
@Sandy Gillis Methinks this a waste of my precious time because CBC just predictably blocked my last two replies to one of their favourite Trolls. However if folks were to type Nest Paws and the Troll's name Google will offer a link to interesting publishing company in BC Too Too Funny N'esy Pas Minister Joly?
Axial Publishing/Sandy Gillis
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Vancouver BC V5L 4E3
Phone: 604-215-0122.
Email: info@axialpublishing.com
David Amos
@Sandy Gillis "At the risk of wasting time that could be better spent arguing with a brick wall with a stubborn streak"
Methinks one never waste's his time arguing with brick walls Look at all the pilgrims from around the world to visit an old wail in Jerusalem and talk to it etc. A wise old guy named Jaspers located the axial period as that critical time in history when humanity in China, India, Persia, and the Middle East - began to reflect on itself, roughly between 800 BC and 200 BC That wall was built around then N'esy Pas?
William Ben
Natanyahu is probably one of the most dangerous men in the world and with Trump at his side it could get bad and quickly.
JOHN CHUCKMAN
@William Ben Indeed.
Readers might enjoy:
https://chuckmanwords.wordpress.com/2014/10/17/uncanny-parallels-in-character/
Readers might enjoy:
https://chuckmanwords.wordpress.com/2014/10/17/uncanny-parallels-in-character/
David Amos
@William Ben Methinks we now know two dudes who would like horses and bring on the apocalypse as foretold in their good book. Heres hoping their electorates see through their malicious nonsense ASAP N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@JOHN CHUCKMAN Methinks if I attempted a little self promotion CBC would block me in a heartbeat particularly after I ran for public office five times and they ignored me N'esy Pas?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
thomas stewart
@William Ben
Washington--Tel Aviv: the Axis of Imbecility
Sad.
Washington--Tel Aviv: the Axis of Imbecility
Sad.
David Amos
@thomas stewart Methinks it would not be wise to underestimate them after their pulling the strings on world affairs for over a hundred years. N'esy Pas?
Gorden Feist
Trump's supporters have said this does great things for the region. The "how" is always absent though.
It's one thing to claim that by pulling out of the agreement Trump has cured cancer and settled world hunger, but that would be no more accurate than the sycophantic rants of his adorers.
It's one thing to claim that by pulling out of the agreement Trump has cured cancer and settled world hunger, but that would be no more accurate than the sycophantic rants of his adorers.
David Amos
@Lou Parks Methinks I have just been informed that some razors are double edged swords N'esy Pas?
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
True However
"Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate"
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
True However
"Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate"
Kimmy Smith
It's not just an ego move. It's what he and his backers have wanted from the beginning. War with Iran is on the top of their wish list. Unfortunately, Iran has done nothing to violate the agreement, so they decide instead to create a crisis. Also, It's Obama's deal.
Chris Maurier
@Kimmy Smith Trump passes a 400 billion arms deal with Saudi and encourages them to use it against Iran..
David Amos
@ Chris Maurier Good Point Sir
Ken Likness
David Gloag
Ken Likness
CanTrump be impeached for incompetence now?
How about for decimating the U.S. of A's international integrity?
Who in their right mind would/will accept any agreement signed as long as Trump is in power as being sincere and binding?
Its time to send in the men in white suits with the butterfly nets.
POTUS = President of the United Sociopaths.
How about for decimating the U.S. of A's international integrity?
Who in their right mind would/will accept any agreement signed as long as Trump is in power as being sincere and binding?
Its time to send in the men in white suits with the butterfly nets.
POTUS = President of the United Sociopaths.
David Amos
@Ken Likness Dream on
Ken Likness
A nation that breaks a peace treaty is a nation without honour.
David Amos
@Ken Likness That is no dream. Its a simple fact.
Patrick Smyth
@Douglas Drouin There is only one "democracy" I trust less than the US and that is Israel. Russia doesn't count as they are a democracy in name only.
David Amos
@Patrick Smyth Methinks none of them trust you Hence you are even N'esy Pas?
David Gloag
Trump says this makes America safer. And his congregation cheers.
He could say anything and they would cheer. Anything.
Iran is not the a danger to the world, Trump is.
He could say anything and they would cheer. Anything.
Iran is not the a danger to the world, Trump is.
Robert West
@David Gloag ...yet peace in NK is almost here.....
Bob Enrob
@Robert West
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHHA, please tell me how Kim is stepping down.... Oh Donnie debt cult worshippers so naïve..
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHHA, please tell me how Kim is stepping down.... Oh Donnie debt cult worshippers so naïve..
Peter Hill
@Robert West
lol....you mean now that they have nukes they will sign a piece of paper which Trump just showed is a worthless gesture?
lol....you mean now that they have nukes they will sign a piece of paper which Trump just showed is a worthless gesture?
John Dirlik
@Peter Hill
Well put.
Well put.
David Amos
@John Dirlik YUP
Gord McPherson
It won't be too long until the weak and the scared show up here in defense of this 'brilliant' move.
That's right.
Weak and scared, the two voter attributes necessary for a lunatic like Trump to become President.
Oh, but they sure are loud. They stamp their feet, pull "facts" from evangelical blogs and talk all tough and self-assured. But at the end of the day they are really just small and pathetic sycophants, wishing - no longing - for a bombastic authoritarian to lead them.
Like children.
That's right.
Weak and scared, the two voter attributes necessary for a lunatic like Trump to become President.
Oh, but they sure are loud. They stamp their feet, pull "facts" from evangelical blogs and talk all tough and self-assured. But at the end of the day they are really just small and pathetic sycophants, wishing - no longing - for a bombastic authoritarian to lead them.
Like children.
Gord McPherson
@Gord McPherson
... and the Republican base.
... and the Republican base.
David Amos
@Gord McPherson Methinks folks would be interested in your description of the people who support Trudeau The Younger N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Gord McPherson Methinks I am not weak or scared but at least I showed up N'esy Pas?
David Sampson
Trump's move will do nothing for Americans but it will appease Israel. Since when does Israel set US Foreign policy?
David Amos
@David Sampson Since about the time old Ike left office the orders came from Irasel but the zionists have been calling the shots since WWI. There is big bucks in War and rumours of wars. Remember Ike warned us about the Military Industrial Complex in his farewell speech? A little later Kennedy warned us of Secretive Organizations in a speech not long before he flew off to Dallas. In my humble opinion both those WW II veterans and and the Navy submariner Jimmy Carter were the last decent Yankee Presidents.
How many bridges and schools could the USA build with the funds that went into the USS Jimmy Carter (SSN-23)?
Methinks anyone can find both speeches byway of Google N'esy Pas?
How many bridges and schools could the USA build with the funds that went into the USS Jimmy Carter (SSN-23)?
Methinks anyone can find both speeches byway of Google N'esy Pas?
Tim Bone
Trump is possibly the worlds dumbest person.
Mary Burns
@Tim Bone
Not counting his die-hard supporters.
Not counting his die-hard supporters.
FDavid Amos
@Mary Burns LOL
Maxim Verite
This is what happens when you elect a self-proclaimed CEO instead of a president.
Dave Smith
@Maxim Verite
the guy who bankrupted a casino. how dumb to you have to be to do that?
the guy who bankrupted a casino. how dumb to you have to be to do that?
David Amos
@Dave Smith LMAO
Erin Wilson
Most Don Trump supporters couldn't even find Iran on a map.
David Amos
@Erin Wilson Sad but oh so true
John Dirlik
Rico Ferreti
Sukhbir Powar
Tom Dugas
Louisa Walker
John Dirlik
From the "American Conservative":
"The dishonesty of Trump’s statement began with the opening sentence: “Today, I want to update the world on our efforts to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.” Iran isn’t pursuing a nuclear weapon, it definitely hasn’t been pursuing one for at least 15 years, and it cannot pursue one so long as it complies with the requirements of the JCPOA. Iran has been complying with the terms of the deal from the start. Trump could not cite a single Iranian violation of the agreement to justify U.S. withdrawal because it doesn’t exist. Iran can’t acquire a nuclear weapon as long as the deal is in place, and the only effort Trump is making is to try to destroy the very thing that ensures that Iran’s nuclear program remains peaceful. By reneging on U.S. obligations and withdrawing, Trump is trying to wreck the most rigorous and significant nonproliferation agreement in decades. If he succeeds in wrecking it, he would make Iranian nuclear weapons more likely than if he had done nothing."
"The dishonesty of Trump’s statement began with the opening sentence: “Today, I want to update the world on our efforts to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.” Iran isn’t pursuing a nuclear weapon, it definitely hasn’t been pursuing one for at least 15 years, and it cannot pursue one so long as it complies with the requirements of the JCPOA. Iran has been complying with the terms of the deal from the start. Trump could not cite a single Iranian violation of the agreement to justify U.S. withdrawal because it doesn’t exist. Iran can’t acquire a nuclear weapon as long as the deal is in place, and the only effort Trump is making is to try to destroy the very thing that ensures that Iran’s nuclear program remains peaceful. By reneging on U.S. obligations and withdrawing, Trump is trying to wreck the most rigorous and significant nonproliferation agreement in decades. If he succeeds in wrecking it, he would make Iranian nuclear weapons more likely than if he had done nothing."
David Amos
@John Dirlik I Agree Sir
Rico Ferreti
The message is clear to North Korea: NEVER trust the USA!!!!!!
Art McCarthy (Key Bored)
@Rico Ferreti
That's the message to the rest of the world too.
The main messages are;
1) The USA has no consistent government.
2) New governments will no longer honour agreements signed by previous governments.
Nice.
That's the message to the rest of the world too.
The main messages are;
1) The USA has no consistent government.
2) New governments will no longer honour agreements signed by previous governments.
Nice.
David Amos
@Art McCarthy (Key Bored) Methinks the USA has had a very consistent shadow government since the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank over a hundred years ago. N'esy Pas?
Sukhbir Powar
Netanyahu issues demands, Trump complies. What a weak leader.
David Amos
@Sukhbir Powar Methinks Trump is no leader whatsoever He has been following orders just like Obama did since he met with him November 10th, 2016 and got to learn the truth of it all months before he took the Oath Of Office N'esy Pas?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-white-house-meeting-obama-1.3845018
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-white-house-meeting-obama-1.3845018
Bryan Atkinson
Trump's current national security adviser, John Bolton, is an advocate of regime change in Iran.
Trump is risking international war to please the base at home.
Trump is risking international war to please the base at home.
David Amos
@Bryan Atkinson Methinks it is John Bolton and his secretive cohorts Trump is pleasing not the folks who elected him N'esy Pas?
Tom Dugas
the purpose of this and its timing is to distract Americans from his crimes. the noose is tightening, and Trump is squirming.
Dennis Regan
@Tom Dugas
We will soon hear many iggypays quealingsay.
We will soon hear many iggypays quealingsay.
David Amos
@Dennis Regan Methinks Iggy is still busy running a University for George Soros in Europe So I doubt he will bother commenting in here N'esy Pas?
Louisa Walker
No matter how hard Donnie tries, history will show he’s half the man Obama was.
Russ Ball
@James Smerchansky
So you are enjoying the destruction I take it. Sad!
So you are enjoying the destruction I take it. Sad!
David Amos
@Russ Ball Methinks we all should at least enjoy the circus. We are powerless to do anything else but watch and yap about it N'esy Pas?
Michael Murphy
"Did Iran cheat on the deal?"
No, the USA did
No, the USA did
David Amos
@Michael Murphy "No, the USA did"
True
True
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-iran-nuclear-deal-1.4653154
Trump pulls U.S. out of 'disastrous' Iran nuclear deal, will restore sanctions
Iran responds by warning of a 'short' window for negotiation with countries remaining in the deal
The Associated Press· Posted: May 08, 2018 11:37 AM ETComments
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Rick Piccolo
Oh Great Doofus, why have you forsaken reality?
David Amos
@Rick Piccolo Methinks that many decent Yankees are seriously disgusted today N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@david mccaig "FOLLOW THE MONEY"
Methinks I should humbly suggest that you and many other folks Google the following words and check my work ASAP before Trump and his greedy NATO buddies make the Cold War 2.0 much worse than it already is. N'esy Pas?
Trump David Amos NAFTA FATCA
Methinks I should humbly suggest that you and many other folks Google the following words and check my work ASAP before Trump and his greedy NATO buddies make the Cold War 2.0 much worse than it already is. N'esy Pas?
Trump David Amos NAFTA FATCA
thomas stewart
Trump is a reckless fool.
Iran is a rising nation, a significant regional power and the Accord was a reasonable way to have Iran and the West move forward after so many decades of very bitter conflict.
This is a sad moment.
David Amos
@thomas stewart "This is a sad moment."
Methinks this is serious moment Sad may come later if common sense does not finally become part of Trump's narcissistic reasoning N'esy Pas?
Methinks this is serious moment Sad may come later if common sense does not finally become part of Trump's narcissistic reasoning N'esy Pas?
thomas stewart
@David Amos
"Sad may come later if common sense does not finally become part of Trump's narcissistic reasoning"
There will be no common sense---not from this President---and that's why it is a sad moment. I see this as an opportunity lost.
It may well turn out to be something more than 'sad' if, in a worst case scenario, this act leads to an escalation of tensions between Iran and the US-Israel Axis of Imbecility and an outbreak of overt hostilities.
It is astonishing to think that I am looking to Iran to be the 'grown up' in this scenario.
David Amos
@thomas stewart Obviously we agree trust that long before Trump came down his fancy escalator I have been dealing with the "escalation of tensions between Iran and the US-Israel Axis of Imbecility" my battles began in 2001 and when I sued 3 US Treasury Agents and a host of others in 2002. it turned into an all out War of words in many courts in Canada and the USA very quickly and it is ongoing to this very day.
FYI I am a whistle blower about financial crimes and I made certain that everybody in the know knows it. That is the reason why I ran for public office in Canada five times while suing the Crown and legions of lawyers etc.
As David McCaig said to you after you replied to me
"FOLLOW THE MONEY"
Methinks I should humbly suggest that folks Google the following words and check my work ASAP before Trump and his greedy NATO buddies make the Cold War 2.0 much worse than it already is.
Trump David Amos NAFTA FATCA
I suspect all folks blessed with common sense consider Trump's cronies applying for the Nobel Peace Prize on his behalf to be the ultimate joke N'esy Pas?
Kevin Graves (AKA Jaspersdad)
Idiocy. Pure idiocy. Leavened by ignorance and mendacity.
David Amos
@Kevin Graves (AKA Jaspersdad) YUP
Jamie Robins
History will not be kind to this President.
David Amos
@Jamie Robins Nope
Edna Knight
Well China, France, Russia, UK, Germany should just carry on.
The USA is becoming more isolationist day-by-day.
The USA is becoming more isolationist day-by-day.
David Amos
@Edna Knight Methinks the Russians and the Chinese will certainly carry on with their business as usual despite whatever the latest mindless Mr Trump spouts off about. Everybody in the know knows that they have been buying gold by the ton for years.
As the the Yankee petrodollar declines and dies I have no doubt whatsoever that the Yankees and their greedy cohorts will learn a hard lesson about the Golden Rule of High Finance their military might has forced on everyone else in the world since the Federal Reserve Bank was created over 100 years ago..
"He with the Gold Makes the Rules" N'esy Pas?
As the the Yankee petrodollar declines and dies I have no doubt whatsoever that the Yankees and their greedy cohorts will learn a hard lesson about the Golden Rule of High Finance their military might has forced on everyone else in the world since the Federal Reserve Bank was created over 100 years ago..
"He with the Gold Makes the Rules" N'esy Pas?
Dave Hall
I suspect US bombs won't be far behind. I hate our leaders and their willingness to shed other people's blood whenever it serves their purpose.
David Amos
@Dave Hall Methinks that Trump is shopping for a pale horse to ride with three other evil dudes N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Kathy Altenhofen "Netanyahu, as usual, is trying to get the US to attack Iran for non-existent reasons. "
Methinks Bibi is trying anything before he is prosecuted by his own people. Desperate people do do desperate things and Trump is dumb enough to follow suit N'esy Pas?
Methinks Bibi is trying anything before he is prosecuted by his own people. Desperate people do do desperate things and Trump is dumb enough to follow suit N'esy Pas?
Dionne Albert
Guys like him will do anything to satisfy their own egos. They couldn't care less about you, me, or the planet. It's all about them. This guy is a classic case. It's chapter three in the Psych 101 textbook. I just hope that someone gets to him and wrestles him to the ground before he does major damage. And by "damage" I mean on a global cataclysmic scale. HE is the threat to the world.
David Amos
@Dionne Albert Methinks the whole world is crazy or I am N'esy Pas?
Henry Winchester
Jonas PrinceTrump, in overzealous desire to undo everything Obama did, is very liable to drag the US back into the isolation of the 1930s. The Iran deal was flawed but not so much that it couldn't be repaired. Trump will likely regret his decision (as he will many others he has blundered his way into making) but this one could easily be his undoing as he will lose much of the support of the very allies he needs.
William Roberts
@Henry Winchester These are not Trump's decisions. You can spot this from deep space. This is what Israel wants. The cut in Taxes (Federal Reserve benefit). More military spending (MIC and FR), Attacks on Syria (aiding ISIS), Moving the Embassy and now the slap in the face to Iran. You can't make this stuff up. He is under orders!!!!
Henry Winchester
@William Roberts : Orders from who? Cousin Bibi or Uncle Vlad. Be specific please.
David Amos
@William Roberts "These are not Trump's decisions. You can spot this from deep space. This is what Israel wants."
Methinks you should have checked my work long ago N'esy Pas?
Methinks you should have checked my work long ago N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Henry Winchester Cousin Bibi
Trump needs a "MAJOR" distraction.
He's willing to manufacture one as necessary.
He's willing to manufacture one as necessary.
Phil Mortensen
@Jonas Prince
Netanyahu also desperately needed the distraction from the investigations into his office's corruption.
Netanyahu also desperately needed the distraction from the investigations into his office's corruption.
David Amos
@Phil Mortensen I agree
thomas stewart
"I Ran out of distractions so I distracted with Iran"
thomas stewart
@William Roberts
No, I don't think Trump is trying to provoke Iran (although that might indeed be the outcome). I think he is so focused on his own needs to A) be seen to fulfill his campaign pledge and B) rouse up the 'base' with a good walloping action against a longstanding 'enemy' that he just acts without taking into account the possible consequences.
This is about his boasting points. He will strut around like a peacock for a few days thinking he has 'shown those Iranians'.
It is a good cover over after the whole Giuliani debacle on the weekedn
David Amos
@thomas stewart "It is a good cover over after the whole Giuliani debacle on the weekedn"
Methinks the :"good cover" will have evil results N'esy Pas?
Methinks the :"good cover" will have evil results N'esy Pas?
'An ego move': If Trump's exit from the Iran deal protects Americans, he's not saying how
'This is the most disastrous decision the Trump administration has ever made,' analyst says
U.S. President Donald Trump has said a lot of things over the years about the Iran nuclear deal he just reneged on.
So perhaps one of the most telling moments came Tuesday when the president fell silent as a reporter shouted a question to him. The president was holding aloft a signed executive order reinstating sanctions on Iran, effectively withdrawing the U.S. from the deal negotiated three years ago among six other world powers.
"How," the journalist asked, "does this make America safer?"
Trump ignored her question. She repeated her query.
"Thank you very much," the president said, wrapping up. "This will make America much safer."
Trump slams 'horrible' Iran deal
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It was a non-answer that only served to confirm the suspicions of Suzanne Marlowe, deputy director of the foreign policy program at the Brookings Institution.
"He couldn't answer. He didn't explain, he doesn't have an answer to that," Marlowe said. "If he's convinced the restrictions imposed were insufficient, or the monitoring of the regime was insufficient, how does the absence of these measures and restrictions provide greater security for the U.S.?"
And does this administration have a viable Plan B to re-engage Iran? The apparent answer, she said, is no.
What was Trump hoping to achieve?
To restore sanctions to their heights, turning everything to the max, he did not leave room for ambiguity. That's a power move.- Behnam Ben Taleblu , Foundation for Defense of DemocraciesThat depends on whether Iran decides to honour its end of the bargain with the other signatories — Germany, France, the U.K., China, Russia and the European Union — despite the U.S. departure.
Trump's stated goal is to renegotiate the Iran deal to terms he likes. So he withdrew.
To Marlowe, it's not so much a "power move" as a self-serving one.
"I would interpret it as an ego move," she said. "It played to his own sense of identification as sort of the master of the deal," even at the risk of a global calamity.
What was Tuesday's announcement about?
Since then, former Trump advisers who backed the deal, including former national security adviser H.R. McMaster and former secretary of state Rex Tillerson, have been replaced by hawks John Bolton and Mike Pompeo.
Why are the deal's proponents worried?
Global signatories and many non-proliferation experts believe the president is making a serious diplomatic mistake. They fear that American withdrawal will threaten to:
- Give Iran justification to resume its nuclear weapons program immediately.
- Crumble the accord backed by six other entities and nations, further isolating the U.S. diplomatically from its closest allies.
- Undermine credibility in American deal-making abroad, just as North Korea needs to know whether it can trust the U.S. to keep its word ahead of a summit on denuclearization.
- And boost Iranian hard-liners who are most hostile to the U.S.
What did the U.S. get out of the deal?
In exchange for relief from crippling sanctions, Iran was required to:- Cease plans to obtain highly enriched uranium, the fuel needed to make nuclear weapons, for a period of 15 years. (Iran was permitted to enrich uranium to a concentration of 3.67 per cent — far lower than the 90 per cent purity needed to make a bomb.)
- Reduce its number of operating nuclear centrifuges from around 19,000 in July 2015 to only 5,060 of its oldest and least-efficient centrifuges.
- Give up 98 per cent of its uranium stockpiles, which, according to the Obama administration, would have been enough to make eight to 10 bombs in 2015.
- Allow robust inspections from the International Atomic Energy Agency of its nuclear activities to verify its compliance.
Why did Trump hate the Iran deal?
It excluded what Trump called "sinister" activities on regional security issues. For example, the terms didn't limit Iran's ballistic missile development or its support for militant groups like Hezbollah or Hamas.
Trump also hates the fact that it includes sunset clauses after 10 and 15 years.
Inspections would still carry on, but that hasn't appeased critics of the deal like Jed Babbin, a former U.S. deputy undersecretary of defence in the first Bush administration.
Trump falsely claimed that Iran is allowed to "self-inspect" its sites — an allegation the International Atomic Energy Agency rejects.
Did Iran cheat on the deal?
Iran has not technically violated the deal, according to the IAEA's reports. Even the Trump administration grudgingly admitted so, recertifying the deal twice — first in April, then again in July.
By October, Trump refused to certify the deal again, complaining that Iran violated "the spirit" of the arrangement. He did not reimpose sanctions at that time.
How is this different than decertification?
This is the first time since Trump came into office that he opted not to renew the waivers. That's different from decertifying the deal.
"This time, we're really toying with U.S. implementation of the deal and whether the U.S. will remain true to its commitments," said David Mortlock, a sanctions lawyer who worked on Iran-related issues in the Obama administration.
Decertifying the deal gave Congress the power to reimpose sanctions. Lawmakers allowed the easing to continue.
Is the Iran deal popular?
A recent CNN poll suggests 63 per cent of Americans favour the Iran nuclear deal while one done by polling firm Morning Consult found 56 per cent support it.
Although it doesn't tie up a host of nasty regional security issues, proponents reason that it beats an alternative in which Tehran is free to increase nuclear activities right away.
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Trump pulls U.S. out of 'disastrous' Iran nuclear deal, will restore sanctions
Iran responds by warning of a 'short' window for negotiation with countries remaining in the deal
The Associated Press· Posted: May 08, 2018 11:37 AM ETLast Updated: 11 hours ago
Trump says Iran deal ‘defective’
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President Donald Trump announced Tuesday the U.S. will pull out of the landmark nuclear accord with Iran, dealing a profound blow to U.S. allies and potentially deepening the president's isolation on the world stage.
"The United States does not make empty threats," he said from the White House in a televised address.
Trump's decision means Iran's government must now decide whether to follow the U.S. and withdraw or try to salvage what's left of the deal. Iran has offered conflicting statements about what it may do — and the answer may depend on exactly how Trump exits the agreement.
Trump said he would move to reimpose all sanctions on Iran that had been lifted under the 2015 deal, not just the ones facing an immediate deadline. This had become known informally as the "nuclear option" because of the near certainty that such a move would scuttle the deal.
"At the heart of the Iran deal was a giant fiction. That a murderous regime desired only a peaceful nuclear energy program," Trump said. "Today, we have definitive proof that this Iranian promise was a lie."
He cited intelligence documents published last week by Israel, saying those documents "conclusively" showed Iran's "history of pursuing nuclear weapons. The fact is, this was a horrible, one-sided deal that should have never, ever been made."
According to Reuters, most of the material the Israeli prime minister presented was from before the 2015 accord was finalized. Netanyahu did say, however, that Iran had added to its "nuclear weapons knowledge" since then.
What's next?
Supporters of fixing the agreement had hoped Trump would choose a piecemeal approach that could leave more room for him to reverse himself and stay in the deal if he could secure the additional restrictions that European nations tried unsuccessfully to negotiate with him.
Still, the administration planned to allow a grace period of at least three months and possibly up to six months so that businesses and governments can wind down operations that will violate the reimposed U.S. sanctions.
Indeed, as administration officials briefed congressional leaders about Trump's plans Tuesday, they emphasized that just as with a major Asia trade deal and the Paris climate pact that Trump has abandoned, he remains open to renegotiating a better deal, one person briefed on the talks said.
Obama calls decision 'serious mistake'
Trump has lambasted the 2015 agreement, which was brokered by former president Barack Obama's administration, since his days as a presidential candidate.
On Tuesday, Obama said Trump's move was a "serious mistake" and "misguided," especially because Iran has been complying with the deal.
"The consistent flouting of agreements that our country is a party to risks eroding America's credibility, and puts us at odds with the world's major powers," Obama said.
Without the deal, the U.S. "could eventually be left with a losing choice between a nuclear-armed Iran or another war in the Middle East," Obama said.
He added that the deal remains a model for what diplomacy can accomplish, including when it comes to North Korea.
Watch to see more of Trump's statement.
Trump slams 'horrible' Iran deal
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Kerry, speaking at a gathering on food innovation in Milan on Tuesday, says he challenges anyone to find an agreement tougher than the one in place now.
United Nations Secretary General Antonio Guterres also called the deal a "major achievement in nuclear non-proliferation and diplomacy" and said he was "deeply disappointed" with Trump's decision.
Guterres called on all other UN member states to continue to support the Iran agreement.
French President Emmanuel Macron tweeted that France, Germany and the U.K. "regret the U.S. decision" and that "the nuclear non-proliferation regime is at stake."
Macron said that they would work on a "broader" agreement "covering nuclear activity ... and stability in the Middle East, notably Syria, Yemen and Iraq."
"Iran must not be allowed to develop nuclear weapons," Freeland said in a statement, adding that the 2015 deal put Iran's nuclear program under a "rigorous and unprecedented international verification regime by the International Atomic Energy Agency."
Freeland's statement said while the deal isn't perfect, it has "helped to curb a real threat to international peace and security."
The foreign minister also noted that Canada has condemned Iran's ballistic missile program and maintains sanctions targeting it.
Iran, Israel react
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani reacted quickly to Trump's announcement in a live address on state television, saying there is a "short time" to negotiate with the countries remaining in the nuclear deal and he will be sending his foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, to meet with them.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, meanwhile, praised Trump's decision, calling it a "historic move."
Netanyahu, a leading critic of the deal, said leaving it unchanged would be "a recipe for disaster, a disaster for our region, a disaster for the peace of the world."
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