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'I made no threats': Key moments from the Privy Council clerk's testimony on the SNC-Lavalin affair

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David Amos
Methinks Mr Scheer and everybody else want to ignore the fact that Kevin Lynch Harper's former Clerk of the PCO is now the Chair of the board of SNC-Lavalin and that he was the dude putting pressure on Trudeau and Wernick N'esy Pas?





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Methinks its too bad so sad that CBC edits so much for the benefit of one political party that I have to blog and Tweet about it to show the awful truth of its malice N'esy Pas?


https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/03/i-made-no-threats-key-moments-from.html





https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/michael-wernick-key-updates-snc-lavalin-1.5045461



'I made no threats': Key moments from the Privy Council clerk's testimony on the SNC-Lavalin affair



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David Amos
David Amos
Methinks its too bad so sad that CBC edits so much for the benefit of one political party that I have to blog and Tweet about it to show the awful truth of its malice N'esy Pas?




David Amos
David Amos
Methinks Mr Scheer and everybody else want to ignore the fact that Kevin Lynch Harper's former Clerk of the PCO is now the Chair of the board of SNC-Lavalin and that he was the dude putting pressure on Trudeau and Wernick N'esy Pas?









David Amos 
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David Amos
Trust that Michael Wernick, Gerald Butts, Jagmeet Singh, Andrew Scheer, Maxime Bernier, Elizabeth May and everyone else who sits in opposition know that Jody Wilson-Raybould may have lost her mandate as Justice Minister because of her failings in Federal Court and the Federal Court of Appeal within my lawsuit against the Crown that was filed when Harper was the Prime Minister and Mr Scheer was the Speaker. Need I say that it irritated me big time when Jody appointed her Deputy Minister to the bench of Federal Court not long after I argued their minions in the Federal Court of Appeal?

Methinks anyone can check my work by simply Googling two names "Jody Wilson-Raybould David Raymond Amos" before the lady is asked to speak anymore of her "Truth" N'esy Pas?






David Amos 
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David Amos
Methinks Michael Wernick and his unnamed lawyer know truth is stranger than fiction and that anyone can easily Google "David Amos Federal Court file No.T-1557-15" in order to sort out the truth from fiction for themselves. Its blatantly obvious that Mr Trudeau had a duty to talk to Harper's Minister of justice and Peter MacKay and had them pay particular attention to info found within statement 83 of my lawsuit long before the election in October of 2015

Michael Wernick and everybody else knows why I am about to put the aforementioned matter before the Supreme Court and file several more lawsuits in the Federal Court against the RCMP and the CRA etc and also run for a seat in Parliament again N'esy Pas?







gary Shortell 
gary Shortell
Wernick like Trudeau has lost his credibility.


 
Troy Mann
Troy Mann
@Stanley Baird

He isn't an elected person with a golden parachute at hand, he is a bureaucrat that has a family to feed.

He of all involved has the most to lose, he is being truthful like he would under other administrations...

David Amos
David Amos
@gary Shortell "Wernick like Trudeau has lost his credibility."

Methinks folk should not ignore the fact Wernick admitted that Kevin Lynch Harper's former Clerk of the PCO is now the Chair of the board of SNC-Lavalin and that he was the dude putting pressure on the PMO and the PCO N'esy Pas?

David Amos
David Amos
@Troy Mann "He isn't an elected person with a golden parachute at hand, he is a bureaucrat that has a family to feed. "

Methinks you are only fooling yourself everybody knows Mean Little Mikey is Canada's top bureaucrat with the biggest golden parachute of them all Anyone can checkout whole well the others who came before him have done after they left the PCO N'esy Pas?












Steve Timmins 
Steve Timmins
Sounds like we need a new Clerk of the Privy Council.


Scotty Davidson
Scotty Davidson
@Steve Timmins We need a ethics watchdog not appointed by the people they are supposed to investigate.

Dan Berty
Dan Berty
@Steve Timmins Completely agree! Who can fire him / how?

Len Evans
Len Evans
@Steve Timmins
Why? Different opinion than you wanted?

Here is what I wonder. If I worked for either the past Justice Minister, or her recently resigned friend, and I felt that they were up to no good, what would they expect me to do? Run to the Media? Or would they expect and demand that I use and exhaust every internal process available before I caused a ruckus? You can bet your bottom dollar that they would leave no stone unturned in finding ways to hold me to account for doing what they have done to their own caucus. These people are not wall flowers. They are wise & hardened political pros. They are not likely to be offended so easily. Some say they are brave... I don't share that opinion. Its my opinion that this was more likely a calculated political maneuver for god only knows what reason

Stanley Baird
Stanley Baird
@Len Evans if Wernick is telling us that political interference is in a trial is okay then he is unfit for his job. If he participated in it then he has more to answer for. Why did all these people think they know more about the law than the only lawyer in the room - the arrogance is catching up them.

Troy Mann
Troy Mann
@Stanley Baird

If you are in fact correct, Wernick only believes the 'interference' was acceptable because it was done under previous administrations that he worked under...

He above all has more to lose here, he is simply a citizen of Canada who has worked under Conservative and Liberal regimes...

Moira Wilkinson
Moira Wilkinson
@Steve Timmins
Have you got you’re resume at hand?

David Amos
David Amos
@Steve Timmins Methinks whomever were to be appointed to replace Mr Wernick they would also will be ruled by Kevin Lynch and his bankster buddies N'esy Pas?

David Amos
David Amos
@Troy Mann Methinks everybody in the know knows that I was are war with Mikey Wernick when he was moved to Aboriginal Affairs not long after I ran against Andy Scott for his seat in the 39th Parliament Anyone can Google Wernick's old email address in that department and my name to verify what I say is true N'esy Pas?














Steve Timmins 
Steve Timmins
Is that really the best Clerk of privy council Canada can get. The man is an arrogant joke.


Kyle Smith
Kyle Smith
@Steve Timmins "Is that really the best Clerk of privy council Canada can get. The man is an arrogant joke"

Appointed by Harper.

Aaron Morris
Aaron Morris
@Kyle Smith

and probably stood up to give Trudeau a standing ovation when he was elected with the rest of the federal service.

wal wiseman
wal wiseman
@Kyle Smith He wasn't appointed to the privy council by Harper.

Smith John
Smith John
@Steve Timmins

Like peas in a pod.

Kay McLeod
Kay McLeod
@wal wiseman Technicality and irrelevant. If he's bad, he's bad.

Troy Mann
Troy Mann
@Kay McLeod

How is he bad? Do you have any proof he is lying? No... He stated 'his truth' as he has learned from working under Conservatives for 10 years...

Asking a person to resign for doing nothing wrong is partisan and will cost us in wrongful dismissal charges.

Moira Wilkinson
Moira Wilkinson
@wal wiseman
Being s member of the Privy council is a lifetime thing. If you see the letters PC. That means Privy council. Not progressive conservative. To be the clerk of the Privy council gives mr Wernick that PC designation for life

David Amos
David Amos
@Steve Timmins "The man is an arrogant joke."

Welcome to the Circus

David Amos
David Amos
@Troy Mann Methinks you know as well as I that I have lots of proof that Mr Wernick is far worse than merely bad N'esy Pas?
















Ron Sleen 
Ron Sleen

Gotta love the lack of concern over 100K+ Western Canada jobs as opposed to 9000 in Quebec.


 
Dave Roux
Dave Roux
@Jay Tall the pipline was being built without public funds by a private company and tredeau and the BC NDP/greens meddled just enough that the company pulled out knowing it will never be built. and then sold a pipline to Canada that will cost us more then it is worth without the twining

Donald Patrick
Donald Patrick
@Troy Mann What? You claim a conspiracy but can't recognize the one thats slapping you in the face right now with JT and JWR? You are willfully blind!!

David Amos
David Amos
@Ron Sleen "Gotta love the lack of concern over 100K+ Western Canada jobs"

It is profoundly ironic to say the least

David Amos
David Amos
@Donald Patrick Methinks the RCMP, Peter MacKay, Mr Wernick, and Jody Wilson-Rabould to name but a few know that I don't make false claims about conspiracies but in fact have proven it in several courts in Canada and the USA sine 2002 Anyone can Google "David Amos RCMP Sussex" N'esy Pas?














Steve Timmins 
Steve Timmins

I think the Clerk has a bad case of the rot of entitlement and being to big for their britches



Jon Holmes
Jon Holmes
@Steve Timmins Wernick comes off brutally, no doubt. He's the type that clearly doesn't like being questioned.




Stanley Baird
Stanley Baird
@Jon Holmes I can see why this talentless and arrogant guy was Trudeau’s pick


Troy Mann
Troy Mann
@Jon Holmes

Try questioning JWR, it would seem she gets irritated easily and you won't want to be around when she is irritated which is likely why she had 4 chief of staffs in 3 years and refused the be Aboriginal Affairs Minister...

David Amos
David Amos
@Steve Timmins Methinks the clerk is little man in big britches who obviously has his knickers in quite a knot N'esy Pas?

David Amos
David Amos
@Troy Mann Methinks you chug far too much of the red kool aid N'esy Pas?















Moira Wilkinson  
Dave Evers

Wernick comes off as quite arrogant and short both times now...I could feel pressured by this fine fellow. I believe the attorney general. We need a full investigation


Dave Evers
Dave Evers
It also stinks to high heaven that the liberals opposes the swearing in of witnesses and the releasing of Butts emails and texts....stinks very badly

Dave Evers
Dave Evers
It also smells very bad that the majority ruled liberal committee blocked the swearing in of witnesses and the release of Butts emails and texts

Heather Inglis
Heather Inglis
@Dave Evers No one has been sworn in for the past 25 years. That's the way the committee usually works. Asking for people to be sworn in is nothing more than a Conservative tactic to make people think that there is something wrong. This is from the party that used to take all committee meetings in camera so no one would know what was going on, not televise them.

Heather Inglis
Heather Inglis
@Dave Evers Butts no longer has access to his emails and texts as they were on his government phones which he doesn't have any more. The committee will get the emails and texts from the PMO. The request was to get them from Butts, something the Conservatives and NDP on the committee knew was impossible.
Pay attention.

Lily O'Loughlin
Lily O'Loughlin
@Heather Inglis
Kind of like "the dog ate my homework".

Louren Organzo
Louren Organzo
@Lily O'Loughlin
"Kind of like "the dog ate my homework"."
No not like that at all. There are rules, if Butts could produce those emails without the assistance of the PMO then he'd have already broken the law … his security clearance would not allow him to keep personal copies, those emails and text would be unavailable to Butts as soon as he quit.

The PMO could definitely release them though, no doubt about that.

Joe Renaud
Joe Renaud
@Dave Evers

The whining here is spectacular. It was her job to face the pressure! That is what we pay politicians to do; take difficult matters of public concern, listen to a whole bunch of input, subject themselves to a lot of pressure and try to make the best decision possible.

Richard Sharp
Richard Sharp
@Dave Evers

Wernick is by far the most credible witness, with 35 years of impeccable service. He was again today. Between Wernick and Butts, it is increasingly evident that this entire affair was all about JWR and her bruised ego.

There are maybe a hundred corporate media journos out there who have egg all over their face, having exposed their extreme anti-Trudeau bias going into the next election.

Kevin Delaney
Kevin Delaney
@Richard Sharp
Sad that he had to ruin his final time of service on a JT & JT’s PMO blunders.

Rae Quin
Rae Quin
@Joe Renaud Yes. Consultation is a must at all levels.

Lindsay Stephenson
Lindsay Stephenson
@Richard Sharp You're so biased Richard, that if Trudeau pinched a loaf on the floor of the HOC, you would claim it was fine swiss chocolate to feed those striving to enter the middle class. You have as much credibility as Wernick et al.

Rick Wier
Rick Wier
@Dave Evers conservatives keep peddling empty theories

Donald Patrick
Donald Patrick
@Lindsay Stephenson Beautiful Lindsay.....so true!! Excellent!!!

david kirby
david kirby
@Lindsay Stephenson
That much? You are too kind.

Phil Mein
Phil Mein
@Lindsay Stephenson The world according to Richard, always entertaining.

David Amos
David Amos
@Dave Evers "I could feel pressured by this fine fellow."

Methinks everybody knows that I would have more fun than ten men if Mean Little Mikey tried to pressure e N'esy Pas?

David Amos
David Amos
@Richard Sharp "Wernick is by far the most credible witness, with 35 years of impeccable service."

Methinks I should thank you for making me choke on my coffee and sending it up my nose I am certain that you understand that although it was uncomfortable it was well worth the laugh that followed N'esy Pas?


















Moira Wilkinson  
Luc Newsome

rule iof law.....
1. make a law
2. design it so its one persons choice
3. push them to make the choice you want
4. punt them out if you don't get your way
5. hire a new yes man


David Amos
David Amos
@Luc Newsome Methinks everybody knows the mot important rule of law is "He With The Gold Makes The Rules" N'esy Pas?












John Brown 
John Brown

Wernick's last visit is gonna be picked apart, and he ain't gonna like it. His at best thinly veiled partisanship guaranteed another go-around...and his credibility is pretty much shot.


David Amos
David Amos
@John Brown Methinks Wernick is non-parisan He just does whatever he told by whomever holds the keys to the PMO at the time N'esy Pas?













Steve Timmins 
Steve Timmins
I'm the Clerk of the Privy Council. How dare you question me!


Jon Holmes
Jon Holmes
@Steve Timmins The most cerebral people I've ever met all came across as Arrogant Ash holes like Wernick does. I assume he's capable having held the post for successive Govts. But the degree of arrogance and intransigence is shocking.

Kay McLeod
Kay McLeod
@Steve Timmins Absolutely. If you watched that Peter Strzok from the U.S., part of the crowd undermining the elected president and being called the Deep State, sadly this guy seemed similar. It's scary how dismissive he is. Then, twice now he's come on agitated about average Canadians expressing their views in protests or online that he finds scary and threatening. Sorry, buddy. It's ordinary Canadians you are working for and are answerable to.

David Amos
David Amos
@Steve Timmins "I'm the Clerk of the Privy Council. How dare you question me!"

Methinks Alex Himelfarb and everybody knows that I have been doing that since Chretien was our Prime Minister N'esy Pas?












Maxim Verite
Maxim Verite

Michael Wernick has to be the least credible witness I've ever seen in my life.


 
Murray Joah
Murray Joah
@Jay Henryk
Please do give us your insight as to his "factual Information"...
"I don't recall... I wasn't wearing a wire..."

Cameron Kernick
Cameron Kernick
@Maxim Verite After he said I wasn't wearing a wire when he couldn't recollect my next thought was he'd say "I like beer!" He felt as angry and arrogant as Kavanaugh.

David Amos
David Amos
@Maxim Verite "Michael Wernick has to be the least credible witness I've ever seen in my life."

Methinks it should be a small wonder that none of them would testify under oath N'esy Pas?








'I made no threats': Key moments from the Privy Council clerk's testimony on the SNC-Lavalin affair


Clerk of the Privy Council Michael Wernick, right, and Justice Department Deputy Minister Nathalie Drouin appear before the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights regarding the SNC Lavalin affair on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on March 6, 2019. (Justin Tang/Canadian Press)


Michael Wernick, the most senior public servant in the country, has denied an accusation from former justice minister and attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould that he made "veiled threats" to pressure her to sign a plea bargain-like deal with the Quebec engineering firm SNC-Lavalin.

Wernick and deputy minister of justice Nathalie Drouin testified before the House of Commons justice committee on the SNC-Lavalin matter on Wednesday — in Wernick's case, for the second time.

This was Wernick's chance to address Wilson-Raybould's claim that he made "veiled threats" to pressure her to sign a deferred prosecution agreement (DPA) for SNC-Lavalin during a December 2018 call. She told the committee that she felt that her conversation with Wernick implied a threat akin to the Watergate-era "Saturday Night Massacre" — that she would, in other words, have to either comply or resign.



Wernick said Wednesday that Wilson-Raybould did not face inappropriate pressure from anyone in the Prime Minister's Office or from him personally.
Wernick said rather she was simply warned of the "consequences" of not signing an agreement — specifically, that some of the company's 9,000 employees could lose their jobs.


1. Wernick 'did not wear a wire'


While acknowledging he "did not wear a wire" or take contemporaneous notes on his conversations with the minister, and so could not definitively disprove Wilson-Raybould's testimony, Wernick insisted he did "not threaten the attorney general."

"I have never raised partisan considerations. I reminded her repeatedly she was the final decision-maker. I was giving her relevant context. I made no threats to the former attorney general. Period," he said.



CBC News
Michael Wernick: 'She was assured multiple times that she was the final decision maker.'

 "The former minister agreed that entering into a deferred prosecution agreement was entirely lawful." 0:21

Wilson-Raybould testified that she reached a final conclusion on whether to pursue a DPA on Sept. 16, some 12 days after the director of public prosecutions is said to have made a similar decision. She maintains that her decision should have ended any intervention by other ministers or political staff.

When asked by Liberal MP Iqra Khalid if she thought that was sufficient time to adequately consider a DPA, Drouin said that was not for her to say. "She did say in her testimony that she did her due diligence. I was not part of that due diligence exercise," Drouin said.

Gerald Butts, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's former principal secretary, also testified Wednesday that he thought that timeline might have been too compressed for such an important decision.

2. 'Lawful advocacy'


Wernick said Wednesday the decision could never really be considered "final" until the delivery of a verdict in a criminal prosecution.

"It's never final. She could always take into consideration public interest considerations," Wernick said.

"The minister experienced lawful advocacy to consider doing something lawful in the public interest."




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Michael Wernick: 'The minister maintains that her decision, a decision to take no action, was final.'
 "She had the ability, as new public interest considerations emerged, to reassess the context and re-examine her reasoning and that is the most she was ever asked to do." 0:52

Kathleen Roussel, the director of public prosecutions, herself gave the case a second look in October after the company presented new evidence.

Asked if a decision on this matter is rightfully considered "final" before there is a verdict in a criminal prosecution, Drouin said: "It's the responsibility of a prosecutor to asses and reassess ... in light of new facts and evidence put in front of the prosecutor."

3. Wilson-Raybould blocks PCO report


Drouin said she spoke with Wilson-Raybould the day after the minister's Sept. 17 meeting with Trudeau and Wernick on the issue.

Wilson-Raybould expressed discomfort over the meeting, Drouin said, adding she didn't have any further involvement with the file after Sept. 19 ("She asked me not to talk any more about the SNC-Lavalin case," the bureaucrat testified) — with one notable exception.

At the end of October, the Privy Council Office (PCO) asked her department for advice on the potential impact on SNC-Lavalin if a deferred prosecution agreement — which would have allowed the company to avoid a criminal trial on bribery charges — was not pursued. That advice was "not provided to PCO at the request of the minister's office," Drouin said.

"I was instructed not to send it," Drouin said. "My minister was not comfortable with us sharing it to PCO."

4. Wilson-Raybould was told DPA was 'lawful'


In early September, Drouin said she briefed the former attorney general on the possible legal options she could pursue on the SNC-Lavalin matter, including a DPA.

Drouin did not offer an opinion on whether a DPA was "appropriate" in this case, but said she told Wilson-Raybould that SNC-Lavalin could qualify for that sort of agreement if she decided to go that route.




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Michael Wernick: 'They are not a pariah, it was not improper to have conversations with the company.'

Conservative MP Lisa Raitt spars with Clerk of the Privy Council Michael Wernick over his communications with SNC Lavalin. 2:03
"I cannot have an opinion. To make an opinion or not on a DPA, on a specific case, you have to be aware of the evidence and I have never been aware of the evidence [against the company]," she said. "It was her decision whether or not to use her authorities under the act.

"It's not an interference because they are powers provided under the act ... We respect the parameters, the first one being consultation with (Roussel)."

5. Wernick accused of partisanship


Wernick, a career public servant who has worked in senior roles under both Conservative and Liberal prime ministers, also defended himself against accusations from opposition parties that he acted in a partisan matter in his last appearance before the committee. He criticized comments from Conservative Sen. David Tkachuk and online vitriol directed at Crown-Indigenous Relations Minister Carolyn Bennett.




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Michael Wernick: 'I am profoundly disappointed to be accused of partisanship.'
 "I set this out because it has been suggested that I am part of someone's political agenda. I serve the government of the day." 0:54

He also defended the content of his last opening statement, which included a warning that a politician could get shot during the next election campaign because of the strident nature of social media political commentary. Wernick said he "stands by every word" of his warning.

"I am profoundly disappointed to be accused of partisanship," Wernick said. "I deplore the cyberbullying of politicians of all stripes."

Wernick also tabled with the committee evidence of some of the attacks he said have been directed at him since he last testified. He compared some of it, tweeted by Conservative and NDP MPs, to witness intimidation


http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/5761067/Documents-tabled-at-committee-by-Michael-Wernick.pdf


 http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/5761067/Documents-tabled-at-committee-by-Michael-Wernick.txt


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The justice committee reconvenes March 19 — the day Finance Minister Bill Morneau tables his next budget — to debate whether to call more witnesses.


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John Paul Tasker
Parliamentary Bureau
John Paul (J.P.) Tasker is a reporter in the CBC's Parliamentary bureau in Ottawa. He can be reached at john.tasker@cbc.ca.



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