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Methinks the EUB needs to explain to me how Mr Jones got a tape of a hearing to play on the radio while I have been denied the right to have a tape of my words that were improperly transcribed N'esy Pas?




https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-power-debt-presentation-mlas-untrue-1.5015174



NB Power debt claim to MLAs appears to be untrue



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David Amos
David Amos
Methinks the EUB's lawyer Ellen Desmond needs to explain to me how Mr Jones got a tape of a hearing and play it on the radio while I have been denied the right to have a tape of my own words that have been transcribed for the EUB improperly N'esy Pas?

"At hearings last April, Ellen Desmond, the EUB's lawyer, questioned Darren Murphy, NB Power vice-president, in detail about whether the utility's profits are too low and its debt retirement schedule too slow.

She suggested the utility consider reducing its spending to generate higher profits in years its financial projections are coming up short.

"Why not perhaps delay spending where necessary to meet other objectives, including your reduction in net debt which we have heard a lot about in the last three years," said Desmond.

"I mean if that is a priority, if that is a target, why not perhaps adjust the plan? Why not adjust that so that we can see reduction -- larger reductions on the net debt?"







Paul Bourgoin 
Shawn Tabor
What a bunch of B/S, and they know it. Need Premier Ford to get rid of a few at the TOP.


Harold Benson
Harold Benson
@Shawn Tabor Might be a problem with the arrogance there. Seems like they tell the Gov't what to do and where to go, like most crown corporations.

T.J. Jacob
T.J. Jacob
@Shawn Tabor I fail to see how Ford can do anything as he's the premier of Ontario and not New Brunswick...

Alexandre Hilton
Alexandre Hilton
@T.J. Jacob What a great ostrich impression!

David Amos
David Amos
@Shawn Tabor YUP

David Amos
David Amos
@Alexandre Hilton "What a great ostrich impression!"

Methinks you are pretty good at it too N'esy Pas?

David Amos
David Amos
@T.J. Jacob Methinks you know as well as I that is not what my friend meant N'esy Pas?








Paul Bourgoin 
Aaron Allison
Time for a Forensic Audit by the AG, and Time to clean house starting at the top.


David Amos
David Amos
@Aaron Allison "Time for a Forensic Audit by the AG"

I have been saying that for years and It was recorded by the EUB last week as NB Power was having me booted again as an Intervener. I have the transcript now lets see if they will give me a copy of the tape of what I said this time








Paul Bourgoin 
Ned MacAllister
N.B. Power is top heavy in snouts in the trough. Clean house and promote from within around the $135,000 to $160,000 range.


David Amos
David Amos
@Ned MacAllister I agree








Paul Bourgoin 
Roy Kirk
Standard operating procedure for this bunch. When before the regulator, you blame the politicians and their interference for your inability to perform. When before the politicians you blame the regulator! The one thing you never, ever do is accept any blame yourself. :-(


David Amos
David Amos
@Roy Kirk I agree








Paul Bourgoin 
June Arnott
Gaetan Thomas doesn’t seem to have any clue as to what is going on. When are we ever going to get someone in charge who knows what’s going on and will take action?


David Amos
David Amos
@June Arnott Likely never. Methinks if they appointed an ethical soul with two clues between his ears the politicians would lose their cash cow N'esy Pas?









Paul Bourgoin 
Paul Bourgoin
Who, Why, or what is holding back NB-POWER from making profits?
Who benefited from NB-Power decision of loosing, limiting NB electricity Profits?
Who within the NB government initiated and approved such a money loosing deal?
Where is the paper work?
Who will pay the costs of such public generosity? Joe Public or his children?


David Amos
David Amos
@Paul Bourgoin Its all Pure D BS

Dan Flanagan
Dan Flanagan
@Paul Bourgoin
Politicians are responsible because they don't want to lose votes due to rate increases. NB Power is also to blame because they are mostly ex-politicians. How can you run a viable corporation with people that have no financial experience?
At a modest 6% interest rate, just paying the interest costs $276 million a year.

Rosco holt
Rosco holt
@Paul Bourgoin
Politicians rigged NBPower to not show profit.
Friends/ backers of politicians/ party benefit.
Government of that day.
The paperwork has been shredded and thrown out.
Residential clients (Joe Public and their future progeny) will always pay.

David Amos
David Amos
@Rosco holt Methinks all the politicians know I have been doing my best to expose it the corruption of NB Power within the EUB while everyone laughs at my efforts but I may get the last laugh when I put the issues before a real court N'esy Pas?

David Amos
David Amos
@David Amos Methinks Mr Higgs and his Minister Mr Holland should have noticed long ago that my friend Roger Richard and I are not laughing in this photo N'esy Pas?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/eub-hearings-nb-power-smart-meters-1.4529640








Paul Bourgoin 
Dan Flanagan
Politicians are responsible because they don't want to lose votes due to rate increases. NB Power is also to blame because they are mostly ex-politicians. How can you run a viable corporation with people that have no financial experience?
At a modest 6% interest rate, just paying the interest costs $294 million a year.


David Amos
David Amos
@Dan Flanagan "At a modest 6% interest rate, just paying the interest costs $294 million a year."

Methinks that is not chump change but they are making a lot of chumps pay it At least the EUB knows that I am one chump who does not appreciate their malicious antics against me N'esy Pas?









Paul Bourgoin 
Paul Bourgoin
NB POWER should be obligated to make public all customers, commercial, Industrial or Residential that receive from NB POWER a special cheaper rate for their electricity and who authorized the sweetheart deal..


David Amos
David Amos
@Paul Bourgoin The Yankees know the score ask Wilbur Ross











Jef Cronkhite 
Jef Cronkhite
Is anyone else sick and tired of NB Power's consistent mismanagement and ridiculous excuses? Forget the EUB, we need a civilian oversight panel with the power to over-rule Thomas and his "Old Boys Club". Government oversight is quite obviously FAILING.....


Rosco holt
Rosco holt
@Jef Cronkhite
"Government oversight is quite obviously FAILING....."
Government is the problem.

David Amos
David Amos
@Rosco holt BINGO









stephen blunston 
stephen blunston
lets get rid of Thomas and all the fools running things in Fredericton be fired and replaced with someone who knows what they are doing, because after all this time and they keep saying the same BS but keep giving themselves raises and bonuses for not doing their jobs and making their targets . sick and tired of no one being held accountable at this crown corp


David Amos
David Amos
@stephen blunston " sick and tired of no one being held accountable at this crown corp"

Methinks you are not alone N'esy Pas?










Repair Guy 
Repair Guy
So maybe Mr. Thomas and NBPower could help rate payers out and explain which parts of his statements we are supposed to believe/take literally and which parts we can ignore. Thanks!


David Amos
David Amos 
 @Repair Guy Methinks it would be easier to merely boil things down and believe nothing he says N'esy Pas?

For instance do you really think Thomas is going to consult with us about smart meters when his lawyer informed the EUB last week that they will making another stab at it with them in short order?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/smart-meters-nb-power-1.4973785

NB Power launches PR campaign for revived smart meter plan
CBC News · Posted: Jan 10, 2019 7:19 PM AT

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David R. Amos
@Stephanie Haslam I repeat folks need to download the transcripts of the EUB hearings from last year if they are truly concerned about smart meter coming to New Brunswick (BTW they are already in Saint John)

David R. Amos
@Stephanie Haslam Please pay particular attention to the work of my friend Roger Richard

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-power-rate-hearing-eub-1.4544322

"Several self-represented participants have been taking turns questioning NB Power's plans on an equal footing with lawyers hired by companies, like J.D. Irving Ltd. and Enbridge Gas New Brunswick, and municipal utilities like Saint John Energy.

Gently guided on proper procedure by Beaulieu, non-professional participants have had free rein to have a say.

Anti-smart meter activist and St. Louis de Kent dentist Roger Richard, left, and environmentalist Daniel LeBlanc spent hours questioning NB Power witnesses. (Robert Jones/CBC NEWS)

Those participants include environmentalist Chris Rouse, anti-smart meter activist and St. Louis de Kent dentist Roger Richard and political hopeful Gerald Bourque, the leader of the fledgling KISS N.B. Political Party.

They've been able to submit evidence, call witnesses and cross-examine NB Power executives and others and make motions."










Fred Brewer 
Fred Brewer
It's been 35 years since the regulator ordered NB Power to bring all of its customer categories in line with the true cost of providing power. In other words the regulator wanted NB Power to end the practice where they charge some customers high rates so that other customers can be subsidized.

35 years later, not much headway has been made. This proves to me that NB Power can flagrantly disobey the regulator without any consequences. This has to stop now! What is the point of having a regulator if the regulator's orders can be ignored?


David Amos
David Amos
@Fred Brewer Methinks folks should wonder if the taxpayers in Fat Fred City have noticed how much they pay to keep the streets lights on around the Legislature and the NB Power HQ N'esy Pas?










Paul Bourgoin 
Lou Bell
There was a Committee that Higgs disbanded last week that appear to have had the same financial qualifications as Thomas ! Also Government appointed !


David Amos
David Amos
@Lou Bell What else is new










Paul Bourgoin 
Lou Bell
Over 500,000 dollars a year to Thomas whose legacy will be for flooding the lower Saint John River Valley annually. I'll volunteer to do it for half of that !


David Amos
David Amos
@Lou Bell Methinks folks should have no doubt that you would enjoy it too much N'esy Pas?





NB Power debt claim to MLAs appears to be untrue

Utility can't say who made the statement its president referenced


NB Power President Gaetan Thomas said even modest profit targets are frowned on by the Energy and Utilities Board. (CBC)

NB Power president Gaetan Thomas's claim to MLAs that the Energy and Utilities Board once told the utility profits should be kept below $80 million, despite its need to pay off debt, appears to be untrue.

The EUB has never issued a directive to NB Power to keep earnings below $80 million and the utility has been unable to explain who made the statement Thomas is referring to or when, if ever, it was said.

Thomas, chairman Ed Barrett and other NB Power executives made a presentation on Jan. 5 to the legislature's Crown corporations committee to discuss the utility's latest financial results and MLAs questioned them about NB Power's debt problems.


Both Barrett and Thomas told the committee the Energy and Utilities Board has stood in the way of the utility earning sufficient profits to substantially reduce its $4.9 billion debt load, instead forcing it to keep rates low.
Thomas said even modest profit targets are frowned on by the EUB.

"Every time we're confronted with a low rate," Thomas told MLAs.

"That is the dominant factor for the regulator. Even if we can show, lets say, we can make say $80 million earnings the point is they say you don't really need that much earnings."

However, all profit requests NB Power management has made to the EUB in the last four years have been approved, three for more than $80 million, the amount Thomas claims the EUB has said is too much.


NB Power has been unable to explain who made the statement its president is referring to or when, if ever, it was said. (Michael Heenan/CBC)
Heather Black has represented the public at NB Power's last four rate hearings and says the utility has set its own profit target each year and has never had any part of the amounts rejected by the EUB.

"In each case, the board has approved NB Power's proposed earnings in the full amount NB Power requested," Black wrote in an email to CBC News. 

Marc Belliveau, a spokesman for NB Power, said in an email the comment Thomas made about the EUB telling the utility an $80 million profit is too high should not be taken literally.

"I don't have a transcript of the (MLA) proceedings but this was a general statement/example not a specific one," he wrote.
It's the second statement Thomas has made in the last month that has needed clarification, and both were in relation to the utility's debt problem.

In January, Thomas told CBC News that NB Power is applying for a $36 million rate increase for the next fiscal year to help generate a profit and "most of it would go to debt reduction".

But NB Power figures show the utility is planning no debt reduction next year, even with a rate increase. Expected profits at the utility are budgeted to be spent on capital projects with none applied to its $4.9 billion debt.

It is scheduled to increase by $6 million.

NB Power has failed to meet  earnings targets in each of the last four years, mostly because expenses have been higher than anticipated, but the EUB has never opposed the targets themselves.
The board approved a combined $329.5 million in profit over the four-year period but NB Power expects to generate less than 25 percent of that — just $71.3 million - once the current year is factored in.

Black says NB Power's failure to pay down its debt is not a problem with the EUB.

"While the board cuts NB Power's proposed spending where it determines that the spending is imprudent, this has not been the cause of NB Power's failure to meet its earnings targets," said Black, citing performance problems at Lepreau, unbudgeted storm damage and other issues.

"NB Power's earnings erode when its costs are over budget or when it fails to earn its budgeted revenue."

The EUB is declining to comment but the organization has openly expressed concerns about NB Power's debt in the past.


Heather Black, the public intervener, said the EUB has never rejected any part of the utility's profit targets in the last four rate hearings. (Robert Jones/CBC)
At hearings last April, Ellen Desmond, the EUB's lawyer, questioned Darren Murphy, NB Power vice-president, in detail about whether the utility's profits are too low and its debt retirement schedule too slow.

She suggested the utility consider reducing its spending to generate higher profits in years its financial projections are coming up short.

"Why not perhaps delay spending where necessary to meet other objectives, including your reduction in net debt which we have heard a lot about in the last three years," said Desmond.

"I mean if that is a priority, if that is a target, why not perhaps adjust the plan? Why not adjust that so that we can see reduction -- larger reductions on the net debt?"

NB Power' Belliveau said in an email the utility believes rate hearings focus too much on questioning spending and not enough on the bottom line.

"The underlying tone of recent rate hearings has been focused on low and stable rates as opposed to a more balanced view," said Belliveau.

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