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Cancelling Games in Moncton, Dieppe triggers worry over hosting future events



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David R. Amos
David R. Amos
Methinks folks should have tuned into the circus on CBC in Fredericton this morning while they were commenting in here N'esy Pas?

Here is a little Deja Vu for some of you to enjoy

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/francophonie-games-province-blaine-higgs-1.4997694


Seamus O'hern
Seamus O'hern
@David R. Amos ....hahaha...sic em David.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos

* tuned into the circus on CBC *

I am still looking for that circus...Are you in it ?

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks you are a wannabe star of the show N'esy Pas?


Jake Devries
Jake Devries
@David R. Amos any bets Marc was part of the Acadian Chosen Few who would have made out like other Lib bandits ??

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Jake Devries Methinks he is just a minor minion making brownie points with the "Power That Be" within the civil service in Fat Fred City Clearly he ain't very clever N'esy Pas?








Mark Murphy 
Colin Seeley
MSM at its worst.

Anything to put down things that are not Liberal .

Even Sherbrooke has announced it no longer wants to host the games. Too $$$$.

What a barf article.


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Colin Seeley Methinks you are correct now and then just like busted watch N'esy Pas?








Mark Murphy 
Marty Forsythe
The question has to be asked how does a bid for 17 million on the tender jump to 130 million. Of course the government of any political stripe would say no to this. Time for the truth of the bid and where they were going to spend 130 million comes out. There is much needed infrastructure improvements around the Province that needs the money than hosting a games for 130 million, 17 or 20 million yes for sure


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Marty Forsythe "The question has to be asked how does a bid for 17 million on the tender jump to 130 million."

Mais Oui








Mark Murphy 
Troy Murray
Flogging a dead horse.


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Troy Murray YUP








Ernesto Rafael 
Ernesto Rafael
This will assuredly upset the culture crowd as they are accustom to receiving money where there is not.


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Ernesto Rafael I would feel empathy for them but I am not fond of wealthy snobs









Mark Murphy 
John Pokiok
Oh you should not worry at all just next time plan the games that you can afford with your own money and you might have them. Leave the taxpayers money alone voila.


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@John Pokiok Mais Oui










Joe Gallant
Joe Gallant
This by far has been the best decision that any past or current gov't has made. There is enough of our tax dollars going down the toilet and you know people are going to turn it into something that not and say that our Premier is against the French Acadians and that the People Alliance leader did not support it. I am French Acadian and was not raised by my parents to assume every decision is based on either race, religion or language you speak rather because it's the right one to make. Can't please everyone which is why politicians need thick skin.
Keep warm and smile at a stranger as you may just make their day.

Ernesto Rafael
Ernesto Rafael
@Joe Gallant - If only the SANB shared the same ideology.

Seamus O'hern
Seamus O'hern
@Joe Gallant ....YOU are my kind of CANADIAN Joe....have a great day!.

Joe Gallant
Joe Gallant
@Seamus O'hern
Thanks and right back at ya

Yves Savoie
Yves Savoie
@Joe Gallant I'm french also and I second your post....we are not all stupid!!!

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Joe Gallant "There is enough of our tax dollars going down the toilet"

Methinks everything political is always about the money Hence I follow the money for obvious reasons N'esy Pas?










Mark Murphy 
Toby Tolly
blame this one on Brian and Dominic


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Toby Tolly and Justin









Mark Murphy 
Tim Raworth
Its interesting how the people in favor will spin how much money and benefit it will bring to the area. They must have taken math lessens from the original organizers.


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Tim Raworth YUP








Mark Murphy 
Gil Murray
Beware people who want you to provide them with $10 today in exchange for something tomorrow and refuse to clearly explain how they will accomplish it. It usually means they want to use $10 of your money to increase their personal wealth and never speak to you again.


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Gil Murray Methinks George said best in his tune "Beware of Darkness" N'esy Pas?

"Watch out now, take care
Beware of greedy leaders
They take you where you should not go"









Mark Murphy 
Mack Leigh
Very thankful to Premier Higgs and all of those involved in making the right decision to cancel the games... We cannot afford them...period... Lay this fiasco squarely at the feet of B. Gallant and his cronies along with Dominic LeBlanc..... There now needs to be a full investigation as this whole thing smells of corruption, collusion and quite possibly fraud, in my opinion....


Colin Seeley
Colin Seeley
@Mack Leigh

A full investigation will cost millions. Let it go.

We know who to blame.

Natalie Pugh
Natalie Pugh
@Colin Seeley
There should be an investigation. You never know what else may be uncovered!

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh

If the PM would have been an English one we would have heard crickets in here...Gallant is too French for your crowd.

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Cry me a river

Seamus O'hern
Seamus O'hern
@Marc Martin "Gallant is too French for your crowd"...do you mean N.B. or Canada?...please explain.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Seamus O'hern

I didn't know Gallant was in Federal politics...

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos

Are you sure your talking to the right Marc Martin Davis?

Jim Reid
Jim Reid
@Marc Martin aka Dominic

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Who is Davis?











Mark Murphy 
Wally E. Bamberger
If an organization wishes to host an event with taxpayers' money, then they should publish in a news release a pro-forma statement of income and expenses and sign a contract that if expenses grow they will cover them without requesting additional taxpayer money. If the solicited governments are carrying a significant debt load then the applicants should suggest a list of other programs that the government could cut in order to redirect the funds without increasing the governments' debt load.

Methinks applications and the governments' debt load would fall dramatically.


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Wally E. Bamberger "Methinks applications and the governments' debt load would fall dramatically."

Me Too










Mark Murphy 
Craig O'Donnell
Unless Moncton and Dieppe promised to ante up more money than what they had proposed in order to keep the games, I think their councillors and mayors should keep their mouths shut on the issue. Expecting the rest of the province to pay out vast amounts of taxpayers' money for something that doesn't benefit the majority (increase in economy? Yeah, right.... only those 2 towns!) and is basically just paying for a cultural entity is wasteful in the extreme considering the state of the province.


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Craig O'Donnell I agree











Mark Murphy 
Dale Chapman
The people complaining about Moncton no longer hosting the games have to explain to the taxpayers who were going to foot the bill "How did the costs balloon from $17 M to $130 M?"
Almost all projects come in over budget. I was personally expecting the cost of the games to go from $17 M to about $25 M and I was OK with putting that kind of money into it. However, to go to a budget of $130 M means the real costs were going to come in around $160 M. That, as a taxpayer, I am not OK with.


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Dale Chapman "I am not OK with"

Nor were most folks

Methinks it was not a language issue like SANB wants it to be It was and is a financial issue that really should be investigated N'esy Pas?

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos

Its totally a language issue. If the game would have been the Anglo games we would have heard crickets...











Douglas James 
Douglas James
Indeed, we should all be worried when organizers of such games turn a $17 million budget into a $130 million budget, seemingly without a thought for anyone but themselves.


Fred Knox
Fred Knox
@Douglas James If the libs wouldn't have lost the election they would've lined their pockets off of this one.

Gary Journeay
Gary Journeay
@Douglas James well said AND THEN said "We could do it for 62 million?? LOL... moving targets !pathetic

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Douglas James Methinks you forgot that Kevin Arseneau of your beloved Green Party is all for hosting the games N'esy Pas?

Jim Reid
Jim Reid
@Jim Reid guess I am not permitted by CBC to say the Green Party leaders name

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Jim Reid Thats a big No-No











Mark (Junkman) George 
Mark (Junkman) George
You should be worried, very worried............
It hopefully looks like the days of the blank (but signed) provincial cheque is over.


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Mark (Junkman) George Dream on










Mark Murphy 
Matthew Smith
if by being even moderately responsible lends itself a black eye to being a destination, y'all don't need those friends...


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Matthew Smith Methinks politicians don't have friends just acquaintances The doings between Julius Caesar and his buddy Brutus The Younger taught them that N'esy Pas?









Stephen Long 
Stephen Long
God, CBC is so predictable. It's not until you have lived in a democracy where debate takes place between people who hold different views that you realise how one sided CBC is. Why don't we hear from someone who actually thinks this is a good thing.


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Stephen Long Methinks you know the answer to that as well as I N'esy Pas?






 



Stephen Long
Stephen Long
I listened to the interview this morning and had to chuckle when Lamonde noted that he hadn't estimated what the return might have been. Why was that Lamonde? Not enough time? Did you forget? I thought business people were doing this sort of planning all the time. Or was it because you thought the answer would not be appreciated by the people paying the bill.


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Stephen Long Methinks he no idea whatsoever N'esy Pas?










Natalie Pugh 
Natalie Pugh
I would like to see an investigation into those who "organized" this fiasco explaining a breakdown of just what and where the $130 000 000 or our tax dollars was going to. I do not want this swept under the rug. Someone has some explaining to do!!


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Natalie Pugh "I would like to see an investigation into those who "organized" this fiasco"

Good Luck getting one


  






Natalie Pugh
McKenzie King
I certainly hope it hurts our chances to host things like this. We need to stop wasting millions of dollars on these things, especially when we are beyond broke, and where the orgsanizing committee is either incompetent or deceitful. If the Chamber of Commerce wants these things to go ahead, let them pay of it.


Grant Lyon
Grant Lyon
@McKenzie King Gallant never understood budgets. He thought the NB taxpayer was his personal cash cow. Most inept, secretive, corrupt government.

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@McKenzie King ?where the orgsanizing committee is either incompetent or deceitful"

Methinks many would agree that the organizing committee was incompetent and deceitful and possibly worse N'esy Pas?









Natalie Pugh 
Jake Quinlan
"It's quite a shame," Boudreau said. "It will definitely hurt the province in the long run and it will be very hard to attract international events of that type."

C'mon man, any event looking at NB in the future and does due diligence will understand this cancellation at this time. It's a one off situation basically. Context matters.


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Jake Quinlan YUP











Matt Steele 
Matt Steele
It is about time that people start to look at the financial situation that N.B. is in . N.B. is one of the smallest and poorest Provinces in Canada with one of the oldest populations in the country . The prov. debt is well over 14 BILLION , and close to 18 BILLION if you add in the N.B. Power debt . The prov. is paying close to 2 MILLION PER DAY just in interest payments . Brian Gallant , with the encouragement of Trudeau's Liberals , went on a wild out of control spending spree for 4 years , and pushed taxes to the MAX . N.B. is a rapidly dying province with a very low birth rate , and high unemployment . N.B IS BROKE ; and going into debt further to play some games is ludicrous !!!


Jackie Barrett
Jackie Barrett
@Matt Steele Most of it is the New Brunswick Government's fault as a result of not fighting hard enough to expand the Irving Oil Refinery or get the Energy East Pipeline project in Saint John as opposed to import oil from the Saudi Arabians, and lack of effort to attract or retain high quality jobs including the closure of the Nutrien/Potash Corporation mine in Sussex.
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Matt Steele

they had no choice to push the taxes to the max the previous CoRservative governement was running us in the red for 4 years.

Tim Raworth
Tim Raworth
@Jackie Barrett You have no idea what you are talking about. A lot of factors come in to play when we are talking about resource development, most of which is beyond the control of NB government. They cant control the world market price for potash for example.
Tim Raworth
Tim Raworth
@Marc Martin our debit has doubled in the last 10 years. Cant blame that all on the Cons

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Tim Raworth True

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Tim Raworth

It douvled because we didnt sell NP Power who was against selling NB Power ? The Cons and the Anglophones...Your right the Cons are not the only ones responsible....

Tim Raworth
Tim Raworth
@Marc Martin We have talked about the downfalls of selling NB power lots before. Just shows you only read and understand what you want to hear.












Mark Murphy 
Michael Hunt
Now if Mr. Higgs would cut the funding to SANB and U of M


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Michael Hunt We can hope but don't bet on it Methinks Mr Higgs needs to keep on the good side Mr Gauvin or his budget won't fly N'esy Pas?











Mark Murphy 
Les Cooper
Thank good this nonsense is over.
What is next??

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Les Cooper The budget











George Smith
George Smith
Moncton and N.B. taxpayers have covered the losses at many of these events. If the business community can't invest the money for these events then they shouldn't go ahead. The City should not be risking tax monies on these events that only businesses make money on. The taxpayers are the only losers on these expensive parties.


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@George Smith "The taxpayers are the only losers on these expensive parties."

YUP









Mark Murphy 
Thomas Imber
Dominic Leblanc is coming across as tone deaf on this issue.

His divisive attempt to make it a language issue shows once again that he and the federal Liberals put their own partisan interests ahead of everything else.


Andrew Clarkson
Andrew Clarkson
@Thomas Imber

Every time I hear the word Dominic I start to hum and sing that old Lou Monte smash Christmas single Dominic the DONKEY! Or is it that other word for a donkey!

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Andrew Clarkson When I hear the name Dominic methinks of a different dude and wonder how his wife in Kathmandu is doing N'esy Pas?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/ndp-gets-help-from-democracy-expert-1.629834

"After election day, Dominic Cardy is flying back home to his wife in Kathmandu, Nepal"










George Smith
George Smith
So now the Feds and the Province are playing the blame game. Why can't they just step up and admit the games weren't in the best interests of the taxpayers of N.B. and Canada? The only shame here is the bickering between the governments. I believe the vast majority of taxpayers are relieved. They'd both get more political benefit by admitting it was the wrong event at the wrong price and wrong timing.


Matt Steele
Matt Steele
@George Smith .....This is a Federal Election year ; and Dominic LeBlanc along with Justin Trudeau , wanted to use these games to show case what a great job LeBlanc has been doing for N.B. ; normally Justin Trudeau couldn't care less about N.B. . It is all just political theater with Trudeau trying to buy our votes with our own tax money . Brian Gallant tried the same tactic.....and FAILED !!!

daryl doucette
daryl doucette
@George Smith politicians will NEVER admit they were wrong.

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@daryl doucette Methinks everybody knows I dabble in politicking and freely admit whenever I am wrong For instance I figured that either Harper or Mulcair were gonna win a minority government in the last election Was I ever wrong about that N'esy Pas?

Tim Raworth
Tim Raworth
@David R. Amos just shows how gullible people are eh. Sunny ways, sunny ways.




Cancelling Games in Moncton, Dieppe triggers worry over hosting future events

Chamber of commerce CEO says city has shown it can draw big events


Pierre Boudreau, a Moncton city councillor, says he's worried the province's decision to withdraw from hosting the 2021 Francophonie Games in Dieppe and Moncton will hurt the region's ability to host other large events. (Shane Magee/CBC)

The president of Athletics New Brunswick says the province's decision to pull out of holding the 2021 Francophonie Games is a "black eye" that could hurt the chance of hosting similar events in the future.

"It certainly makes it very difficult for a small region to contemplate hosting such games or championships," Marc Lalonde said in an interview with Information Morning Moncton.
Pierre Boudreau, a Moncton city councillor, echoed that view.


"It's quite a shame," Boudreau said. "It will definitely hurt the province in the long run and it will be very hard to attract international events of that type."
Hosting the Francophonie Games was pitched as a way to showcase New Brunswick to a global audience which could help lure tourists and immigrants. About 3,000 participants from more than 50 countries were expected to take part in the 10-day international arts, culture and sport event.

The mayors of Moncton and Dieppe did not provide interviews about the province's decision.

Premier Blaine Higgs said Wednesday the province was withdrawing from hosting because of the escalating cost since the former Liberal government submitted the bid in 2015.


Premier Blaine Higgs announced the province wouldn't go ahead with hosting the event due to the escalating cost. (CBC)
The cost had climbed from about $17 million to an estimated $130 million, though the organizing committee told the province recently it could bring the cost down to $62 million.

John Wishart, CEO of the Greater Moncton Chamber of Commerce, said the loss of the event is a blow to the region's businesses, from hotels to retailers and various suppliers.

The economic impact of not hosting isn't clear — in part because the cost of the event kept shifting.


Eric Mathieu Doucet said the event would generate more than $100 million in economic spinoffs in the province before he resigned as president of the organizing committee last month amid controversy about the cost of the games. (Shane Magee/CBC)
Organizers had estimated spending $130 million would result in $148 million in economic spinoffs in the province and $17 million elsewhere in Canada, though economists questioned the figures.

"It's also a loss in terms of showcasing what Greater Moncton can do," Wishart said. He added it is a lost opportunity to entice immigration to the region from francophone countries that would have participated.

Latest event lost


It's the latest major event that's failed to materialize.

Moncton sought unsuccessfully to host the 2019 Memorial Cup, the national major junior hockey championship, and the 2019 and 2020 Brier, Canada's men's curling championship.

Wishart said the region has successfully hosted events like the 2010 IAAF track and field competition, 2015 FIFA Women's World Cup matches and the 1999 Francophonie Summit.

"I think the pluses far outweigh this disappointment and that's what we need to think about going ahead," Wishart said.


Paulette Thériault, a Moncton councillor, says the news isn't all doom and gloom. (CBC)
Moncton Coun. Paulette Thériault said she doesn't think it should be viewed with doom and gloom.
"I think this is just a new challenge for us to pick up our boots and find a way to move this forward in the future," Thériault said.

A statement from the City of Moncton on Wednesday said hosting major events remains a priority for the municipality to generate economic spinoffs and "enrich our city in many ways."

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Shane Magee is a Moncton-based reporter for CBC.
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