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Methinks SANB people have spin down to a fine art N'esy Pas?


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Higgs willing to work with Greens — as long as it's on his terms



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 Fred Brewer 
Fred Brewer
Higgs' agenda of pro-fracking, pro-pipelines and anti-carbon tax sure sounds like the Empire's agenda.

Robert G. Holmes
Robert G. Holmes
@Fred Brewer A complete overhaul of the NB Energy Plan needs be done, before any continuation of the petroleum industry subsidies. Natural Gas through fracking is a short term and risky research project. Re-building Mactaquac, (?), must take into account the economic benefits of alternate hydro sources, (Hydro Quebec). Fundamentally, NB is strategic, through NB Power grid to expanding the Atlantic grid; Get it on with reliable cheaper clean power via QC. Knock out the coal thermal, promote sustainable urban planning. Build to low carbon standards. Lots to do for a qualified Cost Engineer, (Higgs), working in collaboration with other parties. But get it right for the long term.
Harold Benson
Harold Benson
@Fred Brewer I do not believe that a majority supports a practice that pumps poison into the ground and ruins the water.
Brian Robertson
Brian Robertson
@Fred Brewer
Sounds like pragmatism to me; and not the rainbows and unicorns of the Liberals.
Fred Brewer
Fred Brewer
@Brian Robertson
"Sounds like pragmatism to me;"

Since when is it pragmatic to poison our environment for the sake of a few dollars?
David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Robert G. Holmes Methinks you should attend the EUB hearings N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Harold Benson Methinks I have seen Sam write the same things N'esy Pas?







 Nancy Alcox 
Nancy Alcox
With the climate crisis screaming in our faces, how can this so called leader be pushing everything that will just feed the fire?
He’s so concerned about the budget and spending but is overlooking what we’re going to spend on weather/climate change floods, power outages and eventually forest fires etc..etc..
Our “leader” is still working for the Irving’s..not for us..

Emery Hyslop-Margison
Emery Hyslop-Margison
@Nancy Alcox Chicken Little has moved on from "the sky is falling" to "climate change". It's just another excuse to raise your taxes and keep you living in fear.
David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Emery Hyslop-Margison YUP






 Nancy Alcox 
Emery Hyslop-Margison
The Irvings and their high level management are not particularly big on consultation. They tend toward administrative secrecy and a "rule by fiat" approach. But people can change - if only marginally. So, we'll see what happens with Premier Higgs.

Colin Seeley
Colin Seeley
@Emery Hyslop-Margison

Huh ? Have you tried being a teacher !

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Emery Hyslop-Margison Methinks a leopard cannot change its spots N'esy Pas?
Winston Smith
Winston Smith
@Emery Hyslop-Margison
You are a former Irvnig employee with Midland Courier. Your bias is showing.






 Nancy Alcox 
Pierre LaRoches
Why bother consulting with Kevin Arsenault? His stances on anything will be coloured by his past as president of the SANB. He literally offers nothing but division and whining on all fronts despite his folksy "I have no ties" appearance.

Colin Seeley
Colin Seeley
@Pierre LaRoches

Sounds like one of those peoplekind’s who sit in Timmy’s yelling and screaming with their big mouths and useless ideas.

Don’t know him. And don’t want to.
Dan Lee
Dan Lee
@Pierre LaRoches
Sounds like PA............
David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Pierre LaRoches I Wholeheartedly Agree Sir






Alex Forbes 
Alex Forbes
I appreciate the Green's fight for the environment. It's all their other social policies I don't necessarily agree with. The Greens have nothing to whine about here. They are ideologically opposed to 90% of the PA and PC party's beliefs.

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Alex Forbes However whine they will Methinks its in the DNA of their political party members N'esy Pas?



 


 Nancy Alcox 
Douglas James
"Higgs says that should prove to the New Brunswick Greens that they can support shale gas here and still tackle climate change."

The fact that Premier Irving Higgs believes the Greens or anyone else is opposed to fracking solely because of climate change says everything about the ignorance that permeates government.

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Douglas James Methinks fellow party member the former SANB Prez and wannabe liberal candidate will insure that the animosity will continue N'esy Pas?

"They haven't shown any willingness to bring anything out that we want to bring forth to date," said Green MLA Kevin Arseneau. "Maybe it will change, but for now I don't feel there's been any consultation on anything."
Douglas James
Douglas James
@David R. Amos As usual, I have no idea what you are talking about.









 Nancy Alcox 
Chantal LeBouthi
So cbc where the story about Kevin Vickers

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Chantal LeBouthi Methinks they are tongue-tied at the moment N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Lou Bell
@Chantal LeBouthi It was there yesterday. Try to keep up .
Matt Steele
Matt Steele
@Chantal LeBouthi .....CBC should dig a little deeper into the Kevin Vickers story as other media outlets have reported that it was actually another RCMP Officer who took out the shooter on Parliament Hill ; and then Vickers claimed credit for it . Google RCMP Officer Curtis Barrett for the real story .
David R. Amos
David R. Amos 
@Chantal LeBouthi Methinks if Kevin Vickers becomes the Liberal Leader next month I doubt he will want to work with the likes of the PANB or the French Lieutenants Mr Arseneau and Mr Gauvin as he tries to unseat Mr Higgs and win the next mandate N'esy Pas?

Alex Cooke, The Canadian Press
Published Monday, December 31, 2018 4:18PM EST

"Vickers said that if he decides to run, he would hope to heal
relations between the province's English and French-speaking residents
-- a contentious issue during the recent provincial election.

"I don't think there's a linguistic divide; I think there may be a
divide based on misunderstandings, misinformation," said Vickers.

"There's so much negativity, there's so much misinformation that's
used for promotion of agendas that are based not on fact."

Vickers also said he sees a lot of misinformation about the province's
economic state, saying New Brunswick holds a lower debt-to-resident
ratio than Quebec, Ontario, and Newfoundland and Labrador.

Vickers said he wants to carry on the legacy of his father, Bill, who
began the Northumberland co-op dairy in the province decades ago.

He said the business, along with a credit union run by his father's
friend, Martin Legere, gave the province a much-needed boost.

"They brought a lot of jobs, a lot of great times ... (their) story
became a success story all across the province of New Brunswick," he
said. "There's that legacy that I look at."

He added that he'd like to see a better province for his three grandchildren.

While he said his wealth of experience in public service would help
him for a potential run for Liberal leadership, he still needs some
time to think it over."







Nancy Alcox 
Roy Kirk
Shale gas development in NB? Under what rules and conditions?

We need to get adequate direct revenues to compensate us for the risk. $US 1 per GJ or 20% of sale price, whichever is greater.
We need adequate regulatory infrastructure to minimize the risk.

Be clear, except for Sussex area (where we've produced gas but still aren't clear as to the royalties paid), the NB shale gas play is highly speculative. It attracts the bottom feeders of the gas industry. And they need to be ruled and regulated with an iron fist. There's no evidence that we're ready to do that yet.

It's bad news for nb when a PC govts priority for the economy is as likely to pan out as a loto ticket.«

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Roy Kirk Methinks everybody knows that I have been asking such questions since 2004 N'esy Pas?









Nancy Alcox
Lou Bell
The Greens are destined for irrelevance again in NB. Always were, always will be.
Dan Lee
Dan Lee
@Lou Bell
wishfull thinking huh
Jim Moore
Jim Moore
@Lou Bell Again? they always have been, and that includes everywhere provincially and federally, A green vote is a wasted vote
David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Lou Bell I agree







SarahRose Werner 
SarahRose Werner
Translation: "I can work with anyone as long as they agree to do things my way."

Lou Bell
Lou Bell
@SarahRose Werner He is after all the leader. We just got over the " dog waving the tail " SANB led Liberals.
Fred Brewer
Fred Brewer
@Lou Bell
" He is after all the leader."

Yes, but Higgs has a minority government and needs the support of the other parties to get things done. Normally this requires a give and take approach but apparently for Mr. Higgs it is all take and no give.

I see an election in the very near future and believe that is the only way to get out of the mess we are currently in.
Jim Moore
Jim Moore
@Fred Brewer He has all the support he needs, the greens aren't worth dealing with after what happened and they tried ally with the liberals to steal the government after they lost without even the minimum needed seats
SarahRose Werner
SarahRose Werner
@Fred Brewer - Yeah, I sure don't see Higgs as lasting a full four years. The Alliance *said* they'd support him for 18 months, but they may not keep that promise and they haven't promised anything after that. I also wouldn't be surprised if Gauvin switched to being an independent or even crossed the floor.
Dan Lee
Dan Lee
@SarahRose Werner
Bingo......and thats why higgs is looking at the others.....Gauvin will move....
David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Fred Brewer I agree but methinks everybody must know how much I am enjoying the Circus in the "Mean" time N'esy Pas?








Nancy Alcox 
Lou Bell
Nice to just have some stability in our government for a change. A few close SANB buddies running the Liberal caucus who didn't seem to have a clue what they were doing was pullin' us down bigtime.

SarahRose Werner
SarahRose Werner
@Lou Bell - We don't have stability. We have a minority government that, for the next 18 months, just barely has enough votes to push its agenda.
Matt Steele
Matt Steele
@Lou Bell .......Very true . It is good to have a " REAL " Premier with life and work experience who is trying to move the Province forward , and get the ballooning prov. debt under control ; rather than bending to the special interest groups all the time as the economy falls apart .
David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@SarahRose Werner Methinks we will know just exactly how much stability the government of Mr Higgs has when it comes time for his foes to vote on his budget N'esy Pas?









 Matt Steele 
Matt Steele
The Greens thought they were going to be " King " makers , and be calling the shots . Instead they have fallen into irrelevance . Every time Green MLA Kevin Arseneau speaks , the Green Party loses more credibility .

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Matt Steele YUP








Don Cafferty 
Don Cafferty
"B.C. Premier John Horgan has said his province can meet its carbon dioxide emission targets even with LNG development. Higgs says that should prove to the New Brunswick Greens that they can support shale gas here and still tackle climate change." It is a false measure of success. Canada is grouped with Russia, China and Saudi Arabia as the worst countries in the world for contributing to carbon emissions. If all other countries behaved like this group, the planet will have +5C degrees in global warming. If all countries continue as they currently are, global warming will increase more than 3C degrees. Everybody including New Brunswick needs to change their focus and behaviour.


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Don Cafferty Methinks many would agree that you are practicing fear-mongering in order to assist in the increase of taxation N'esy Pas?





 


 SarahRose Werner 
Lou Bell
Like Gallants " inside caucus " Kevin Arseneau has played himself into irrelevance. The new " inside man " of the SANB has played his card and lost.

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Lou Bell Methinks it was a rather telling thing when Brian Gallant refused to allow his old SANB buddy Arseneau to run as a liberal N'esy Pas?




 SarahRose Werner 
Tim Astle
I don't see anything new in this article that we didn't know of before.

Are CBC reporters mandated to try to make news? The article just seems like an attempt to try to stir up some trouble. It neglects to even bring up the fact that the Green Party chose to vote against the PC throne speech. Of course they wouldn't be heavily involved until some trust could be established.

Maybe we should have an article on why the Green party chose to not vote for the throne speech? Are they betting on a Liberal come-back long game, or did they make the wrong short / medium term decision by putting their own personal interests over that of our environment in which the party is supposed to represent?

I know I'd like to see the Green party focus on bringing an environmental perspective to our future. I have no idea what the Green party's focus is right now based on their current actions. Is the new green member, Kevin Arseneau now leading the greens? It seems like the party has lost its way.« less

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Tim Astle "I don't see anything new in this article that we didn't know of before"

Me too.

"Are CBC reporters mandated to try to make news? The article just seems like an attempt to try to stir up some trouble."

Methinks they have carte blanche if they can put Conservatives in a bad light N'esy Pas?

"Kevin Arseneau now leading the greens? It seems like the party has lost its way"

Too Too Funny Indeed









 SarahRose Werner
Jim Cyr
The CBC played it fair with Higgs for exactly two weeks... now the hit pieces are coming every other day (soon to be every day). You would never in a million years have seen a headline like this or read an article such as this about Brian the boy wonder. The narrative that is being set up with propaganda like this is that Higgs is unreasonable and unfair. Smart people see through it.
David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Jim Cyr "Smart people see through it."

Methinks I would not bet the farm on it Most folks vote for the colour of the coat anyway no matter what the media may say of their favourite political party Nesy Pas?









Marguerite Deschamps 
Marguerite Deschamps
We live in a feudal system, pretty well everywhere you live in the world, but more so in New Brunswick. No government gets elected here without the blessing of the lord. The main reason that governments run deficits has nothing to do with the French or English. No matter who gets elected governs to please the lord.
We run deficits because we give our natural resources to big multinationals that pit governments one against the other and that do not pay their fair share of taxes all the while getting subsidized with lavish government grants. However, they use our infrastructures and services without paying their fair share for them. They have access to our public lands to do clearcutting, cultivate cranberries and blueberries while leaving the little guy holding the bag at the mercy of these megacorporations leaving him getting a pittance for his wood, cranberries and blueberries from his private lands that he pays property taxes for. The big wheels organize their corporate structure so as not to make any profit here, but in their tax havens where they horde all their cash. No wonder out health services and infrastructures and deficits are in such dismal shape. Yet we keep electing people having ties to these corporate masters.« less

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks you SANB people have spin down to a fine art N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@David R. Amos, as they say; don't hate the player, hate the game.
David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps I am not playing games You are







SarahRose Werner
SarahRose Werner
I laugh every time I hear the Higgs government being described as part of the "blue wave." NB voters haven't re-elected a Liberal government since McKenna in 1995. For the past couple of decades, the pattern has been to get dissatisfied with the Liberals, put the PCs in power for a term (or, in the case of Bernard Lord, two terms), then get dissatisfied with the PCs and put the Liberals back in power. This suggests that Higgs should have won with a majority in 2018. Instead, he barely squeaked out a minority. That's no "blue wave." It's barely a blue ripple.

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@SarahRose Werner Methinks many can recall that Higgs had to wait until the last poll to be counted in Jake Stewart's riding to know that it was not a tie N'esy Pas ?






SarahRose Werner
Paul Bourgoin
If Higgs can confirm what New Brunswick taxpayers have to gain financially by the supporting shale gas exploitation versus the negative impact on New Brunswick’s Environment. Also make public the accounting sheets of the cost, the profits, where it goes with a contracted profit percentage for the Province supported with a legislated profit margin. The Province of New Brunswick makes no governmental subsidies available, or tax breaks to the investors.

Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@Paul Bourgoin, it will be business as usual, subsidies, tax break and all.
David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks whereas you admit to being a player in the wicked game I have no doubt that you have your fingers in the cookie jar a time or two N'esy Pas?







SarahRose Werner 
Paul Bourgoin
When will New Brunswick have a Government by the People for the People not a Government selected by the Rich for the Rich, who hand pick our Political Leaders!!

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Paul Bourgoin Methinks it would happen as soon as the majority of candidates elected were Independents with no political party affiliations whatsoever N'esy Pas Pas?








Matt Steele 
Matt Steele
There has been an interesting story with possible N.B. political ties being reported elsewhere....google RCMP Officer Curtis Barrett for an interesting story .

David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Matt Steele Methinks you should Google David Amos Kevin Vickers for more interesting stories N'esy Pas?









 SarahRose Werner 
Greg Smith
Here's an experiment for all the climate change deniers:

Go into your garage and start your car. Leave it running and sit in there all night. If you wake up tomorrow morning, THEN you can tell me that emissions have no effect on air quality. I know large scale problems are hard to grasp for small minds, but we're doing the same thing, except to the entire planet. It's really not that hard to understand.


David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Greg Smith Methinks if I were to use your logic I would ask you to go jump in a lake in order to prove to me that water is no good for me N'esy Pas?



Higgs willing to work with Greens — as long as it's on his terms

The New Brunswick premier says he's open to working with other parties


New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs says he hopes there will be more cooperation from the Green Party in 2019. (CBC)

Premier Blaine Higgs says he hasn't given up on cooperating with political parties other than the People's Alliance in 2019 — but he says that could depend on the Green Party seeing things his way on natural gas.

Higgs's Progressive Conservative minority government has so far cooperated closely with the Alliance, whose three MLAs give the Tories a functioning majority in the legislature.

Meanwhile, the Alliance's ideological opposites, the three-member Green caucus, has tended to vote with the opposition Liberals.

"The current bills have worked out that way," Higgs said in a year-end interview with CBC News.

"There has to still be opportunity. There's still a number of times that we would agree, that we would hope we can work across the floor with."

The Greens have complained that they have not been consulted by the PC government on issues ranging from carbon taxes to bilingual ambulance services.



Green MLA Kevin Arseneau said Premier Blaine Higgs has not consulted the Greens on issues they want to address. (CBC)



"They haven't shown any willingness to bring anything out that we want to bring forth to date," said Green MLA Kevin Arseneau. "Maybe it will change, but for now I don't feel there's been any consultation on anything."

In Higgs's throne speech on Nov. 20, the government promised to seek "common cause with women and men of good faith across party lines" and called on other parties to "embrace the challenge of shared governance."

Develop cooperation


The premier noted that the Liberal opposition voted with the government on a bill to change the powers of a tribunal that hears WorkSafe New Brunswick appeals.

Higgs said he hopes there will be more of that in the coming year. "I think this will develop," he said.

But Higgs's main idea for Green cooperation involves that party moving in his direction to support a homegrown natural gas industry, including shale gas development.


Green Party Leader David Coon, left, and his MLAs have supported the Liberals while People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin, right, have teamed up with the Tories. (James West/Canadian Press)
Higgs returned from a meeting with other premiers last month praising British Columbia's NDP minority government for allowing shale gas development and backing a planned liquefied natural gas export terminal — while relying on the B.C. Green party to stay in power.

"It would be nice if the [New Brunswick] Greens could be a little different shade and maybe look like what B.C. is doing," Higgs said.

B.C. Premier John Horgan has said his province can meet its carbon dioxide emission targets even with LNG development.

Higgs says that should prove to the New Brunswick Greens that they can support shale gas here and still tackle climate change.

Horgan's NDP won 41 seats in B.C.'s 2017 election, two fewer than the incumbent Liberals. But the NDP took office after three Green members agreed to support the party on confidence and budget votes.

B.C.'s Green leader says that doesn't mean his party supports LNG. "We've been very clear that we will support no such legislation that would enable this," Andrew Weaver said in an interview.

There is a difference


Higgs said despite that statement, the B.C. Greens are voting to keep the NDP in power, funded in part by gas revenue.

"They're quite happy to have other activities that are being paid for from this, and they're supporting the government, so I don't really know if he can make that differentiation," Higgs said.

Weaver said the difference is that with both main parties supporting LNG in British Columbia, the Greens accepted that it was going ahead and backed the party most willing to develop a real climate plan.
That ended up being the NDP, and Weaver says he's "cautiously optimistic" that B.C. can meet aggressive emissions targets even with LNG development, depending on the scale of the industry.

"I don't know where the premier of New Brunswick is getting his information from," Weaver said.
Higgs said last fall that he was working most closely with the Alliance because it was the first to promise to vote with his party to keep the government in power.

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