132 potential voters gathered at the Tantramar Veterans Memorial Civic Centre Wednesday night to hear from the five candidates vying for a seat in the New Brunswick legislature, representing the riding of Tantramar.
Candidates made opening statements and then answered questions on everything from nursing homes, to the Point Lepreau Nuclear Plant, to the future of public education in the province. There were some laughs and some challenging questions, especially for incumbent MLA and Green Candidate Megan Mitton, and new PC candidate Bruce Phinney. There were also some groans from the crowd, when Libertarian candidate Donna Allen referenced a well known and documented hoax regarding litter boxes in schools.
You can hear the forum in full right here, or scroll down to choose different parts to listen to:
Tantramar provincial candidates are also invited to attend a meet and greet forum in Dorchester on Wednesday, October 16.
Advanced polling for the provincial election starts on Saturday, October 12, and election day is Monday, October 21.
Listen to the forum in parts:
Part 1: Introduction and opening remarks from all five candidates.
Part 2: Question on support for nursing homes for all five candidates.
Part 3: Questions on Point Lepreau, Megan Mitton’s record, and transportation infrastructure and municipal relationships.
Part 4: Questions on rental affordability and how to pay for election promises.
Part 5: Questions on mystery brain disease, the New Brunswick Museum, and what happens if no majority on election day.
Part 6: Questions on Bruce Phinney’s party alignment, shale gas, and costs for landlords.
Part 7: Questions on education, immigration, and closing remarks.
Election forum in Sackville hears how parties would pay for their campaign promises
Sackville resident Bill Carroll challenged the five candidates running in Tantramar to identify what their parties would cut to pay for their campaign promises in the provincial election on October 21st.
Carroll’s question came near the mid-point of a two-hour all-candidates’ forum on Wednesday at Sackville’s Civic Centre.
“It’s election time,” he said, “the platforms are out there, the parties are promising two chickens in every pot, there’s going to be a car in every driveway, there’s going to be a reduction in HST, there’s going to be so many good things flowing,” Carroll said, referring specifically to the Progressive Conservative promise to cut provincial sales taxes by two percentage points over the next two years.
“In a balanced-budget world, where’s the money going to come from?” Carroll asked.
“So I ask the candidates, name a program or two that you’re going to cut funding from so that we can get all these grand financial benefits.”
Green answer
“An example of something that we can cut is to cancel the power subsidies to pulp mills and use the savings to provide low-income individuals and families with monthly rebates on their power bills to offset electricity rate increases,” said Green Party candidate Megan Mitton.
“And rather than what the Liberal platform is suggesting, which is to cut it across the board, this is more targeted towards those who need it the most,” she added.
Mitton also mentioned eliminating subsidies to companies that put their profits in off-shore tax havens to avoid paying taxes in New Brunswick.
NOTE: According to documents filed with Elections NB, Green promises — outlined in the Green platform— would cost just over $3.2 billion over four years.
PC response
Progressive Conservative candidate Bruce Phinney suggested his party’s promise to cut the HST, which would reduce government revenues over the next four years by $1.5 billion, may be offset by an increase in population as well as shifting money around in government departments.
“The only promise that actually has been made is the HST [cut] from the Higgs government so far,” Phinney said.
NOTE: The PCs are also promising to make regulatory changes to expand the scope of practice of medical professionals such as nurse practitioners, registered nurses, paramedics and pharmacists allowing them to take on more duties as a way of shortening wait times for patients who need primary care. They calculate that this promise would cost just over $98 million over four years. In addition, the PCs promise to invest $45 million over four years on drug treatment and rehabilitation programs. According to documents filed with Elections NB, PC promises would cost just over $1.7 billion over four years.
Libertarian answer
“I’m really excited to talk to you,” Libertarian candidate Donna Allen said to Bill Carroll.
“Our party leader for the Libertarians wants to cut the government in half,” she added.
“We have unnecessary committees and a couple of weeks ago, they gave them $10 million,” Allen said.
“We don’t know what the committee’s for. It’s just $10 million that’s gone. So, he wants to start right there and cut the government right in half,” she said.
“So, that’s going to be, I’d say, millions of dollars in savings.”
NOTE: The New Brunswick government’s latest budget projects that spending this year will total $13.3 billion with additional capital spending of $1.2 billion.
Liberal response
“We’ve costed our commitments out to $300 million,” said Liberal candidate John Higham referring to the annual cost of promises outlined in the Liberal platform.
He pointed out that the PC promise to reduce provincial sales tax would cost $450 million per year.
“Mr. Higgs has said he’s not going to have any issue with that,” he said, adding that the PC leader knows that more budget surpluses are on the way and so he decided to take $450 million out of that.
“So, there is no issue for us to meet that $300 million given the way the economy has gone in the last four or five years,” Higham said.
“We’re not going to be anywhere near to spending more money than we have.”
NOTE: According to documents filed with Elections NB, Liberal promises would cost almost $1.3 billion over four years.
NDP answer
“I said I was very proud of the platform that our leader Alex White has put together for this election,” said NDP candidate Evelyne Godfrey.
“One of the reasons why I’m very proud of it is that it is fully costed,” she added, referring to the financial projections on the last two pages of the NDP platform.
“We tell you exactly how we’ll pay for everything that we’ve pledged,” she said.
“We’ll be taxing the top one per cent, we’ll be closing tax loopholes, we’ll be making banks and big businesses pay their fair share,” she added.
Godfrey mentioned that taxing the top one per cent of income earners would raise $100 million every year, while closing tax loopholes would raise $104 million and making the banks and big corporations pay more would raise $163 million annually.
NOTE: According to documents filed with Elections NB, NDP promises would cost almost $1.1 billion over four years.
CFTA, 107.9 FM will be broadcasting the all-candidates’ forum from 1-3 p.m. on Saturday.
To listen to a recording on the CHMA-FM website, click here.
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Libertarian calls climate change a hoax and a scam as Tantramar candidates discuss what to do about it at Mt. A. forum
Donna Allen was responding to a question about how candidates would address climate change if they’re elected to represent Tantramar in the October 21st provincial election.
“I have no idea because I think it’s a scam,” Allen replied.
“You don’t believe in climate change?” someone called out from the audience.
“There’s climate change alright, but Irving is spraying the skies all the time,” Allen responded.
“It’s not from cows farting,” she added.
“The stuff that the government is telling us is off the charts,” she continued.
“We’ve had cows for thousands of years and in the 70s, they said there’s going to be an ice age by the 80s [and] in the 80s, they said there’s going to be a shortage in the 90s and in the 90s, they said something else was going to happen,” Allen added.
“Climate change to me is a hoax.”
NDP response
The all-candidates forum was sponsored by the Mount Allison Students Union [MASU] and moderated by Politics Professor Mario Levesque who called on NDP candidate Evelyne Godfrey to respond to the climate change question next.
“There is definitely climate change,” Godfrey answered.
She said she remembers the harsh, snowy winters as she was growing up in the 1970s and 80s, but when she returned to the Port Elgin area in 2017-18, she couldn’t believe the changes.
“I couldn’t get over it. I was saying this to everybody, this is what proved to me there is definitely climate change,” she said. “You’re just not seeing those winters anymore.”
Godfrey said the NDP is basing its economic plan for New Brunswick on creating green jobs in clean energy.
“We’re looking at a rural transit system that would be based around electric buses,” she added as well as a farmers’ marketing board to promote local food.
She also said the NDP would axe the consumer carbon tax on fossil fuels and make Irving pay instead.
Liberal answer
“Man you picked some tough questions here,” Liberal candidate John Higham responded.
“Student questions here, not mine,” Levesque said with a chuckle.
“How do you fix climate change? That’s a huge question obviously and getting everybody to understand it and getting the data so that people are willing to participate is required as you can see,” Higham said.
He added that there’s general agreement climate change exists, adding that although most people are prepared to do something about it, we’ve seen a strong push-back against the revenue-neutral federal carbon tax which aimed to get people to change their ways.
“We will soon lose it [the carbon tax] because Trudeau and the Liberals will be out soon and there’ll be something else going in there,” Higham said.
“So, I am really struggling with how do you deal with a populace that many people don’t believe it does exist, and how do you prove that and then, how do you get buy-in on what can work and do we repeat some of the things we’ve been trying, or do we have to do something completely different?” Higham asked.
“I don’t have those answers. I just know this is a really difficult time for this,” he concluded.
Green response
Green candidate Megan Mitton said it’s important to weigh the scientific evidence.
“We know that the climate has changed and that humans have caused it through greenhouse gas emissions,” she added.
She referred to a bill the Greens introduced in the provincial legislature to ban exploration for and extraction of fossil fuels including shale gas.
“We need to move towards renewable energy and energy efficiency,” she said, adding that investing in energy-efficient homes and businesses is a cost-effective way to fight climate change.
Mitton also mentioned getting rid of the red tape that hinders installation of community-based and rooftop solar panels while setting a goal of generating 80% of electricity using renewable sources by 2035 with the help of storage and smart-grid technologies.
“This is a huge, complex problem, we have to address it on all fronts,” she said.
“So, we also need to look at things like public transit,” she added, “becoming self-sufficient with our food system, protecting our forests, stopping spraying glyphosate and herbicides and stopping clear-cutting because our forests are part of the answer to prevent flooding.
“So there’s a lot we can do,” Mitton said.
NOTE: Tantramar Progressive Conservative candidate and town councillor Bruce Phinney did not attend the MASU all-candidates’ forum because it was held at the same time as council’s regular October meeting.
There will be another all-candidates forum beginning at 7 p.m tonight at the Tantramar Veterans Memorial Civic Centre, 182 Main Street in Sackville. (See poster below.)
4 Responses to Libertarian calls climate change a hoax and a scam as Tantramar candidates discuss what to do about it at Mt. A. forum
One of the main reasons I attended last evening’s Candidates’ Forum was to hear some sort of accountability from Higgs’ PC candidate as to how poorly our Tantramar/Sackville/Dorchester area has been treated by our provincial government over the past six years.
Needless to say I was disappointed that the ‘double booking’ resulted in a no-show.
Oh well, we shall see first-hand what tonight’s forum will bring.
I agree with the NDP Canadidate on the proof being there whether Climate Change is real or not. I myself have used the change of climate in the years since I was a kid to now as the example of that proof. I think more people need to think on it and realize that the proof is literally right in our back yard.
I did like the response of both the NDP and Green Candidates to the question.
We all know that the solution(s) for working against Climate Change is hard, but not hearing anything of any sort of idea or plan or even “wishlist” from the Libs did not help.
The Libertarian was just… yeah… out to lunch.
I’m looking forward to the next gathering to be honest.. I missed this one.. but last night was a good coming together and felt very cozy. . . super impressed by the media attending Bruce Wark, Erica Butler, et al and their cooperative and collaborative efforts with organizer Carol Cooke –it just shows how much people around here care to try to work together on the hard issues facing society with a congenial atmosphere of talking it out. Well done everyone involved – it was a fun night to meet Donna Allen – she is already a legend now with the Libertarian family that is growing quickly in N.B. with 18 candidates already in place for this election in 2024. Quite an achievement to see this development and as I told Bruce Wark and his wife Laura – its just nice to see there are more diverse voices than people might have thought coming forward and I voted for Bruce Phinney because I really just want to see the end of Megan Mitton’s time in office and lean libertarian in a lot of ways when it comes to freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and lower taxation and shrinking government. I was the lone voice cheering loudly when Donna Allen talked about the Libertarians wanting the abolishment of property taxes – the rest of the room were probably in a state of shock about that comment. Think about all the ways the government already robs you and clawing back that one tax alone would make a huge difference for so many people… it could free up a lot of secondary homes for people to use for rentals because their margins would be more manageable cost wise – we need more housing and this is a very creative solution.
Thanks again Bruce for covering the events – and yes you should put a “donate” button on your website because you work very hard to publish here.” I was the lone voice cheering loudly when Donna Allen talked about the Libertarians wanting the abolishment of property taxes”
Okay.
Except that removing property taxes would be a huge detriment to the needed cashflow of town.
Should taxes be as high as they are? No, absolutely not.
But unless you Libertarians are all for paying services out of wishes and dreams of fantasy, taxes are a reality. And if you think nixing taxes would solve the housing issues that we have, you really live in a fantasy world.
Cutting the HST by 2% points primarily helps those that have lots of money to spend. It is not that helpful to lower income seniors or certainly for grocery purchases which are not taxed.
Higgs had 6 years to get his act together and he failed miserably, except for looking after his corporate friends.
Only ten days to go before he gets his walking papers. It will certainly be a time to celebrate!!
Percy — isn’t it reasonable to suggest that property taxes be removed… or do you think seniors being taxed so highly they can’t pay and will lose their lifelong homes is fair play or just for our society? One day I know the people who are shocked at this suggestion will wonder why we never thought of it before. The taxation is likely the only reason I believe most people are struggling because they haven’t fully grasped just how much taxation they are hit with. No governments are our friends at this point.. little discounts aren’t going to cut it.
Looking at this realistically, it’s safe to say that the vast majority of any municipality’s budget is based on income from property taxes. If such taxes are completely removed, as the Libertarian party apparently would like to do, then many municipal services would have to be cut. Just which ones do you suggest those should be?
Without adequate funds to budget, the first cuts would be the WANTS of a community – such as parks & playgrounds, grants to local businesses and organizations, skating rinks and other recreational facilities, special projects such as walking trails, skate parks, and the like. That would be necessary in order to have enough funds to look after the NEEDS of a community – police department, fire department, road building and maintenance, etc.
So, when you give it more serious consideration, would it really be ‘reasonable’ to remove property taxes?
See..
https://blogs.unb.ca/newsroom/2023/06/chancellor-maclauchlan.php
$62million given to UNB law for what? #DefundAcademia UNB Chancellor Wade is the former PEI premier, Trudeau Foundation “mentor” and big time Liberal crony.
“Provincial, federal and university officials announced a joint investment of more than $62 million to renovate the Justice Building in Fredericton to become the site of the University of New Brunswick’s faculty of law.
This investment will refurbish one of the province’s most historic buildings so it can become a new home for the faculty of law which will grow to at least 350 students over the next five years. Transitioning the building into a site that provides legal services to the public while educating the next generation of New Brunswick leaders is a positive development for the future of our province.
https://www2.gnb.ca/content/gnb/en/news/news_release.2023.06.0323.html”
Donna Allen is right on when she talks about reducing government and all the money spent needlessly and wrecklessly.. and wastefully here when the people are struggling and in need… and pitted against each other… there is so much corruption and waste it is staggering .. for the record Werner Bock now deceased described New Brunswick as the most corrupt place in the world after his experiences with the authorities as a rancher who came here in the 60s from Germany – that says a lot but from anyone who is paying attention – and many are not and that suits the government just fine – this systemtic corruption runs very deep.
New Brunswick is a swamp.
Its interesting that you keep mentioning Werner Bock as if you knew him Yet fail to admit that Mitton is my cousin