Public Safety Minister Carl Urquhart said you expect the best care for anybody, both inside prison and outside prison N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/julie-arseneau-ultrasound-miscarriage-miramichi-jail-1.4926332
Woman learns of miscarriage after jail denies her ultrasound
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Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
... so much for the unilingual English being unable to get government jobs, I might add, a falsehood continuously perpetrated by the same folks on here over and over again.
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Yea Right
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, just read the link given that you state that you understand French!
Marc Bourque
@Marguerite Deschamps She had years to learn english just like the english had 40 years to learn french.I dont take pity on people who bury their heads in the sand,either francophone or anglophone.
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, here I translated it for you:
In addition, Julie Arseneau and her lawyer say they had difficulty getting French service in the correctional centre. The young woman claims that only some of the prison guards speak French and that she has sometimes been in trouble when asked to do tasks and she does not understand what she was asked to do. Whenever I was told that I had to pass the broom, well I did not understand, because I did not understand the word broom. I was locked 24 hours [in 24] in my cell.
I was being punished because I am not bilingual.
Julie Arseneau
She says that it goes against New Brunswick's Official Languages Act. His lawyer also said he had difficulty getting French service when he called the correctional centre to speak to his client just before the November 13 appearance.
In addition, Julie Arseneau and her lawyer say they had difficulty getting French service in the correctional centre. The young woman claims that only some of the prison guards speak French and that she has sometimes been in trouble when asked to do tasks and she does not understand what she was asked to do. Whenever I was told that I had to pass the broom, well I did not understand, because I did not understand the word broom. I was locked 24 hours [in 24] in my cell.
I was being punished because I am not bilingual.
Julie Arseneau
She says that it goes against New Brunswick's Official Languages Act. His lawyer also said he had difficulty getting French service when he called the correctional centre to speak to his client just before the November 13 appearance.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Marc Bourque, actually, no one is forced to learn either language if they don't want to. I have pity for her just like I would have for an Anglophone who could not get government services in his language. What I have no pity for is those who complain that they cannot get jobs because they are not bilingual, Anglophones as well as Francophones.
Ray Sweetman
@Marguerite Deschamps - it's true...there is a glass ceiling for those of us that are the majority (Anglophone). I find it VERY hard to believe that someone here age in 21st century Canada CANNOT speak English!!!
Ray Sweetman
@Marguerite Deschamps - the OLA is foolish and discriminatory. First off, there should not be an OLA and secondly; a linguistic and cultural majority should not have to bow to a vocal minority.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Ray Sweetman, you are one of those who chooses to believe what he wants to believe.
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks my political foes know me well enough to know there was no need to translate FYI I read both articles before I posted two words. What folks should notice is the difference in the two articles from the same source then ask themselves why that is N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, easy answer; some of the whole truth was omitted here.
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps "just read the link given that you state that you understand French!"
Methinks I gave you this link long ago when you teased me about my politics N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
Methinks I gave you this link long ago when you teased me about my politics N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps "easy answer; some of the whole truth was omitted here."
Methinks should ask by whom and why just before the confidence vote tomorrow N'esy Pas?
Methinks should ask by whom and why just before the confidence vote tomorrow N'esy Pas?
Woman learns of miscarriage after jail denies her ultrasound
Julie Arseneau says she was refused access to a doctor when she started bleeding at jail
A woman who was pregnant while in the Miramichi women's jail said she was denied access to a doctor after she started to bleed and later learned she lost her baby.
Julie Arseneau of Edmundston was arrested Oct. 16, when she was two months pregnant. She was charged with breaking and entering and breach of probation.
The next day, while at a court appearance in Edmundston, the 21-year-old started bleeding and was immediately transported to hospital.
There, a doctor wrote a letter saying she needed to have an ultrasound done as soon as she was back at the Miramichi Women's Correctional Centre, Arseneau told Radio-Canada.
But almost a week later, on Oct. 22, at another court appearance, the judge was shocked that never happened.
Judge Natalie LeBlanc left the courtroom to call the jail herself, according to Arseneau's lawyer, Shawn Beaulieu, who was in court but not assigned to the case at the time.
But that did little to help Arseneau's case.
"I bled profusely for almost two weeks," said Arseneau.
At that point, her lawyer decided to ask for a provisional release.
On Nov. 13, Arseneau pleaded guilty to some of the charges she was facing and was released on conditions.
In the days after her release, Arseneau was seen by a doctor and an ultrasound was performed — about a month after her first bleed. What she dreaded was then confirmed: she lost her baby.
Arseneau doesn't know if she had the miscarriage before or after going to jail, or whether having an ultrasound sooner would have changed anything. But she said she thinks jail staff didn't handle her case properly.
"They could have done something," she said. "If you have a head on your shoulders, you know a pregnant woman bleeding is not normal. You have to bring her to the hospital."
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Shawn Beaulieu, Arseneau's lawyer, said even an accused individual has rights. (Radio-Canada) Arseneau's lawyer said he was at a loss to understand how this happened.
"It's unacceptable for someone who is in remand not being able to see a doctor when they're pregnant and bleeding," Beaulieu said.
"Even if someone is accused, they have rights."
The Department of Public Safety, meanwhile, refused to comment, citing confidentiality, but said it took seriously its responsibility to offer health services to incarcerated people.
Public Safety Minister Carl Urquhart said during a media scrum at the New Brunswick legislature that he couldn't comment on the matter because he hasn't been given the specifics.
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Public Safety Minister Carl Urquhart spoke to reporters at the New Brunswick legislature on Thursday but said he didn't know the specifics of Arseneau's case. (CBC) "On face value … you expect the best care for anybody, both inside prison and outside prison, and I certainly feel that in any situation that the best health care that can be provided should be," Urquhart told reporters.
Opposition parties have called for an inquiry into the case — something the minister said he will consider once given all the facts.
Arseneau is due back in court on Feb. 13 for sentencing but she said she and her lawyer will do everything they can so that she doesn't have to go back to the Miramichi prison.
Julie Arseneau of Edmundston was arrested Oct. 16, when she was two months pregnant. She was charged with breaking and entering and breach of probation.
The next day, while at a court appearance in Edmundston, the 21-year-old started bleeding and was immediately transported to hospital.
There, a doctor wrote a letter saying she needed to have an ultrasound done as soon as she was back at the Miramichi Women's Correctional Centre, Arseneau told Radio-Canada.
But almost a week later, on Oct. 22, at another court appearance, the judge was shocked that never happened.
Judge Natalie LeBlanc left the courtroom to call the jail herself, according to Arseneau's lawyer, Shawn Beaulieu, who was in court but not assigned to the case at the time.
But that did little to help Arseneau's case.
"I bled profusely for almost two weeks," said Arseneau.
They could have done something. If you have a head on your shoulders, you know a pregnant woman bleeding is not normal. You have to bring her to the hospital.- Julie ArseneauShe went back to the jail after her appearance and would remain there for another 20 days, without ever getting the ultrasound.
At that point, her lawyer decided to ask for a provisional release.
On Nov. 13, Arseneau pleaded guilty to some of the charges she was facing and was released on conditions.
Finally sees doctor
In the days after her release, Arseneau was seen by a doctor and an ultrasound was performed — about a month after her first bleed. What she dreaded was then confirmed: she lost her baby.
Arseneau doesn't know if she had the miscarriage before or after going to jail, or whether having an ultrasound sooner would have changed anything. But she said she thinks jail staff didn't handle her case properly.
"They could have done something," she said. "If you have a head on your shoulders, you know a pregnant woman bleeding is not normal. You have to bring her to the hospital."
"It's unacceptable for someone who is in remand not being able to see a doctor when they're pregnant and bleeding," Beaulieu said.
"Even if someone is accused, they have rights."
Public Safety not commenting yet
The Department of Public Safety, meanwhile, refused to comment, citing confidentiality, but said it took seriously its responsibility to offer health services to incarcerated people.
Public Safety Minister Carl Urquhart said during a media scrum at the New Brunswick legislature that he couldn't comment on the matter because he hasn't been given the specifics.
Opposition parties have called for an inquiry into the case — something the minister said he will consider once given all the facts.
Arseneau is due back in court on Feb. 13 for sentencing but she said she and her lawyer will do everything they can so that she doesn't have to go back to the Miramichi prison.
With files from Radio-Canada
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https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1138649/centre-correctionnel-femme-fausse-couche