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Methinks a Bad Thursday makes for a fine Black Friday for Mr Higgs and his new pal Mr Austin N'esy Pas? 




https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/liberal-shale-gas-motion-pc-throne-speech-1.4916658




Liberals test PC minority with push to bring shale gas issue to a vote


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SarahRose Werner 
SarahRose Werner
"I guess I should go and read the legislative process and what the bill actually was and how it was worded" - Gee, ya think? *Of course* the Liberals are playing political games. So are all the other parties. That's what politicians *do*.


David Amos
David Amos
@SarahRose Werner Methinks I should say DUHHHH???? to Mr Higgs N'esy Pas?

Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@SarahRose Werner, you would think as the Premier, Higgs would know what the legislation states.

Fred Brewer
Fred Brewer
@Marguerite Deschamps
Exactly! For once we agree.

Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@Fred Brewer, stranger things can happen.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Marguerite Deschamps

It is black Friday for sure !!!! We are seeing another side to Fred's kind today.....

David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks Fred is ethical Perhaps he will give you some lessons on the meaning of the word some day after your learn how to read and understand English N'esy Pas?







 

SarahRose Werner 
herbie harris
Its hard to believe that mr higgs wouldn't know the bill that was passed 4 years ago.. Wow.. Now Mr Austin will have to tell his members which way to vote next Friday this is going to get interesting.. Election 2019 get ready folks


David Amos
David Amos
@herbie harris "Election 2019 get ready folks"

Trust that I am Methinks where I will run next time is the question N'esy Pas?





 


Claude DeRoche 
Claude DeRoche
The days of the Irving fracking boy are counted!

New Brunswick voters both rejected Gallant and the COR Party Irving Boy Higgs!

He needs to resign now and join the Alliance !

CBC News · Posted: Nov 09, 2018
Higgs ran for the leadership of the COR party.
The party Higgs wanted to lead in 1989, the Confederation of Regions, was anti-bilingualism.
Higgs says he no longer subscribes to the COR worldview. "I believe that all New Brunswickers, French and English, have the opportunity to speak their own language and to learn another one," he said in August. "My opinion has changed over the last 30 years."


David Amos
David Amos
@Claude DeRoche Old News

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Claude DeRoche

Exactly !!

Tim Raworth
Tim Raworth
@Claude DeRoche yea, yah, we seen this before.



David Amos
David Amos
@Tim Raworth YUP










 SarahRose Werner 
Greg Miller
Any move to prematurely precipitate another election will not be viewed favorably by the taxpayer!


Claude DeRoche
Claude DeRoche
@Greg Miller
That's exactly what the Higgs COR Party did!

David Amos
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David Amos
@Greg Miller Methinks you don't speak for all taxpaers I for one am looking forward to another election ASAP However folks should be concerned that the liberals may win a majority with the next kick at the can N'esy Pas?

Derwith Kennedy
Derwith Kennedy
@Claude DeRoche Downvotes for the truth. Now all you need is someone screaming "FAKE NEWS".

Fred Brewer
Fred Brewer
@Greg Miller
And how exactly do you get the authority to speak for all voters in NB?
I for one, have no problem at all with another election even if it came tomorrow.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Claude DeRoche

I agree !!

David Amos
David Amos
@Fred Brewer "And how exactly do you get the authority to speak for all voters in NB? "

Methinks its rather interesting that my similar reply to Mr Miller was deleted after it was published, read and disliked N'esy Pas?










Claude DeRoche 
Claude DeRoche
Higgs will allow fracking in "areas that support it".

Meaning the St John river aquifer from Fredericton to St John?


David Amos
David Amos
@Claude DeRoche NOPE

Methinks everybody knows its the Sussex area for the benefit of the Irving Clan There is no need to play word games N'esy Pas?









 SarahRose Werner 
Paul Bourgoin
The Tag Team Party, the Alliance and Conservatives are making History by suggesting terminating to an established historical Legal agreement with regards to bilingualism services in New Brunswick. This alliance also is trying to adjust legislation to meet their two parties Political needs which is the control of the Legislative assembly. So what is evident is that New Brunswick politics has changed from a Political Party governance to a Coalition party Rule. What is also evident is the Higgs Cabinet selection formation with only one French member, or a token French Member. Is this Conservative Party a Party that reflects the New Brunswick Population or doing what their Party Funding Supporters requested!


daryl doucette
daryl doucette
@Paul Bourgoin Your " established historical legal agreement" that you refer to was origionally invented to provide " Government services in the language of choice to minority citizens of New Brunswick" in areas where " numbers warranted". What we have now is a complete and utter mess created by a radical minority whom are hell bent on imposing their will upon the rest of us, and that would be to have all government jobs be declared bilingual essential.

Paul Bourgoin
Paul Bourgoin
@daryl doucette
Daryl the government of the day who established a bilingual New Brunswick was a Conservative Government to better serve the people of their home Province and avoid communication problems in times of need not to quarrel with our neighbors.

David Amos
David Amos
@Paul Bourgoin Methinks the The Tag Team Party you refer to will be a matter of interesting history in short order However the Liberals and the Watermelon Party will always be the best of buddies N'esy Pas?

Fred Brewer
Fred Brewer
@Paul Bourgoin
It should also be pointed out that bilingualism was forced upon the population without consultation, without even a vote.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Fred Brewer

but didn't the Cons and PANB force a paramedic issue without consulting me or the general population ?

Al Bekirkey
Al Bekirkey
@Marc Martin i think the people dying forced that issue rather then politics

David Amos
David Amos
@Fred Brewer "It should also be pointed out that bilingualism was forced upon the population without consultation, without even a vote."

Oh So True







 

 SarahRose Werner 
Roy Kirk
Undertake to develop comprehensive regulatory/environmental standards and and royalty provisions that give NBers a fair return on their resource before allowing shale gas development to proceed any further. This practice of giving away resources in exchange for theoretical jobs has to stop. And the market price for gas has to be high enough to pay for safe and environmentally responsible extraction.

The 'chicken little' types claiming we have to do it no matter what to avoid running out of gas should look at the landed price of LNG in North america. A relatively small modification to the LNG export facility in SJ could allow us to land it and vaporize it here to feed the atlantic pipeline networks.


daryl doucette
daryl doucette
@Roy Kirk No. We do not need to " land it here"...we have trillions of cubic feet of Natural Gas under our province....worth hundreds of billions of dollars. Novel idea. Lets do the "Norway" thing. Whats that? Oh , not giving away OUR resources to huge oil/gas companies to the benefit of crooked politicians whom brain wash the sheep that we are into thinking its a " good deal" for us peasants.....

David Amos
David Amos
@Roy Kirk I Wholeheartedly Agree Sir








 SarahRose Werner 
Bob Smith
So the Liberals want to use a wedge issue to force an election with a lame duck leader..? Yeah, that's good politicking...


Claude DeRoche
Claude DeRoche
@Bob Smith
What did Higg's COR Party do the the lame duck Liberal government?

The Irving Boy needs to resign and join the Alliance where he belongs.

David Amos
David Amos
@Bob Smith "Yeah, that's good politicking..."

NOPE Methinks many would agree that is wickedly fierce politicking at its finest If Higgs and his ne pal Austin can't take the heat they should get out of the kitchen N'esy Pas?

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Claude DeRoche

*The Irving Boy needs to resign and join the Alliance where he belongs.*

This makes sense !! It would restore *some* honor to the Cons party for sure.












 SarahRose Werner 
Shawn Tabor
I have a test for you Gallant, how about getting back 10% of taxpayers money from the Graham’s and the Atcon affair. What a joke.


David Amos
David Amos
@Shawn Tabor Welcome to the Circus

David Amos
David Amos
@Shawn Tabor "What a joke."
Methinks this is the biggest joke told within the wicked political game today. Everybody and his dog knows that the PANB won 3 seats byway of highly controversial issues now Austin is just another lapdog for Higgs because he loves his new paycheck N'esy Pas?

"At this stage of the game in a minority situation, we don't want to be tackling issues that are highly controversial."
- People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin

David Amos
David Amos
@David Amos BTW As you well know I am no fan of Gallant but to give the devil his due he is correct and everybody knows it.

"Gallant noted Thursday that the law passed by his government gave cabinet the power to impose a moratorium with a simple order.

That means the law also gives the new Higgs cabinet the power to "unilaterally remove or modify" the moratorium without a vote in the legislature, he said.

Higgs told reporters he would go back and check on that."

Shawn Tabor
Shawn Tabor
@David Amos true

Dan Lee
Dan Lee
@Shawn Tabor
I will agree to that as soon as Higgs get us 10 more % from irving for that wood deal he gave him......

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Shawn Tabor

Why didn't the cons of david Alward or yet the current leader of the cons didn't try to recover the money ?

Al Bekirkey
Al Bekirkey
@David Amos why would he have done such a lazy thing when he had the commanding position he had, perhaps if the political climate was right he would reversed it himself

David Amos
David Amos
@Al Bekirkey Methinks if you consider the wants of Gallant's political base within the SANB and you will have your answer N'esy Pas?







 

 SarahRose Werner 
Marc Bourque
Gallant you lost and leaving, the door is that way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Bourque Methinks the fat lady ain't sung yet N'esy Pas?










SarahRose Werner 
Mario Doucet
Austin holds the balance of power the OLA is next.


David Amos
David Amos
@Mario Doucet Methinks he just lost a grip on it N'esy Pas?

Dan Lee
Dan Lee
@Mario Doucet
Mr butt just made a funny...............muahahaha

Claude DeRoche
Claude DeRoche
@Mario Doucet
LOL! The liberals hold the balance of power on the COR Party!

Roland Godin
Roland Godin
@Mario Doucet
Austin has played his only trump card, next...eh!voilà.

Jim Reid
Jim Reid
@Claude DeRoche you speak of an unelected party , your point is pointless

Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@Jim Reid, that's what I call them both; the COR parties!

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Mario Doucet

Too much of the good stuff will make you say things like that...

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Marguerite Deschamps

I agree.

Al Bekirkey
Al Bekirkey
@Marguerite Deschamps its good too see the narrow mindedness of tribalism is alive and well in the province

Al Bekirkey
Al Bekirkey
@Al Bekirkey in case the sarcasm is missed it is actually sad to see such opposing views from people that are neighbors and friends for the most part when reality hits and the rubber meets the road

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Al Bekirkey

*in case the sarcasm is missed * I don't think she was sarcastic...Your kind wouldn't know or understand...

Al Bekirkey
Al Bekirkey
@Marc Martin my kind what is that suppose to mean what if i was your neighbor or friend and held a different belief on 1 or 2 subjects you would just cast me in some sort of group and dehumanise dont you recognise the problem with that

David Amos
David Amos
@Al Bekirkey "my kind what is that suppose to mean"

Methinks you should feel proud to not be considered his kind of dude N'esy Pas?










Claude DeRoche 
Claude DeRoche
Totally agree with the Irving Boy fracking will be limited in regions that approve it.

The St John valley aquifer from Fredericton to St John can frack all they want,
but once your water is contaminated don't come crying out for help!


David Amos
David Amos
@Claude DeRoche Methinks in the "mean" time you cry a quite a river N'esy Pas?

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@David Amos

Why do you attack all the French posters Davis? Me thinks your bigotry shows N'esy Pas?

Al Bekirkey
Al Bekirkey
@Marc Martin and i suppose yours does not it is evident that it stems from all directions only thing is one side is considered main stream by conventional politics

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Al Bekirkey

I don't attack all posters tough, be he does attack all the French ones..You don't see a pattern ?

Al Bekirkey
Al Bekirkey
@Marc Martin attack the argument thats how a debate is won my friend,the superior idea will win the day. you both make good points. that is what we need to have an open dialogue we must consider points of view from many sides ad hominum attacks diminish the good points that are made from either side

Tim Raworth
Tim Raworth
@Marc Martin If the English are bitter then you should ask yourselves why. Oh I forgot, you don't care.

David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks everybody knows I chastise way more English folks than French ones. I have yet notice one French candidate on any of the six ballots that my name was on thus far. Methinks you should feel free to ask the temporary Premier Mr Higgs and his pro fracking buddy Bruce Northrup whom I ran against recently if what I just stated is true or false N'esy Pas?



Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@Tim Raworth, because they used to 0wn everything and had all the j0bs. Now given that 0thers are trying to get their fair share and be equal, that's why they are bitter. Not all of them, just the usual extremist minority.










SarahRose Werner 
Joe campbell
New Brunswick can rest easy as no company wants to come frack here other than Corridor Resources on their existing wells in Sussex. We have made it clear we want no resource development other than Irving as they run the show. We have the Green's telling us the renewables are the future yet we never hear or see any ideas or projects.


David Amos
David Amos
@Joe campbell True

Al Bekirkey
Al Bekirkey
@Joe campbell if we could now legalize mass production of hemp we could go bio fuel, food sources, slow our clear cutting for fibre and start a textile industry it could literally solve a lot of problems we have for you see large industries based in fibres have ensured we are just stoned rather then trying to fix problems









SarahRose Werner 
Roland Godin
Politicians react from the intelligent irrational brawn muscle part of the brain, nowhere to find much needed accountable, responsable with discernment legislators, from the intellectual rational side...et voilà.


David Amos
David Amos
@Roland Godin Methinks thou doth jest too much N'esy Pas?









SarahRose Werner 
Jeff Smith
That's Liberals for you. All smiles while plotting their revenge.


David Amos
David Amos
@Jeff Smith Methinks many would agree that the Conservatives are no better that is why there are 6 seats filled by other parties in the Legislature lately N'esy Pas?










Matt Steele 
Matt Steele
It sounds like Kris Austin has Brian Gallant all figured out . Gallant is still in complete denial , and hopes to trigger another election so he can try to be Premier once again ; that's probably why he refused to give up the leadership of the Liberal party . When Gallant had to give up that unlimited govt. credit card and travel expense account ; it must have triggered Gallant's fantasy world ; and he still cannot ACCEPT THAT HE IS NO LONGER PREMIER ; and will never be Premier again !!!!


Rosco holt
Rosco holt
@Matt Steele
They are doing what conservative have done or would be doing if the roles were reverse.

Opposition is there to oppose and that's what they're doing.

David Amos
David Amos
@Matt Steele Methinks you appear to be quite bitter NDP dude N'esy Pas?






  



Jim Johnston 
Jim Johnston
Friday looks like good weather for a walk to the legislature! Get the signs ready!


David Amos
David Amos
@Jim Johnston Say Hey to Pam Ross for me will ya?

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Jim Johnston

The only people who goes to the legislatures with sign are the anti-French groups.









Fred Brewer 
Fred Brewer
"Higgs said the Liberals are playing political games that contradict their promise to collaborate with the government in a legislature where no party has a majority."

And yet, Mr. Higgs who made the exact same collaboration promises, excluded the Liberals and the Greens from all of his pre-Throne Speech meetings inviting only the People's Alliance to attend. Sounds like Mr. Pot calling Mr. Kettle black.


Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Fred Brewer

Wow Fred I am impressed this morning. I totally agree with your statement, it must be because its black Friday !!

Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@Marc Martin, me too; in my impartial usual way, I had already given him a thumb's up.

David Amos
David Amos
@Fred Brewer Methinks you already know the advice I am about to give after Turkey Day in the USA but I could not resist when I see who is supporting you on Black Friday N'esy Pas?

There is an old Yankee saying that goes something like this "If you run with turkeys then you may be considered a turkey too"

Archie Levesque
Archie Levesque
@Marguerite Deschamps Impartial? - joke of the day right there


Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@Archie Levesque, it was intended as a joke.








 

SarahRose Werner 
Dallas Mcquarrie
The Conservatives accuse the Liberals of playing political games, and the Liberals accuse the Conservatives of playing political games. Business as usual at the provincial legislature. Fracking does horrific damage to both people's health and the environment which sustains all life on the planet. More than 1,000 studies have documented the damage done by fracking, but not one - NOT ONE - peer-reviewed scientific study has ever show fracking can be done safely. Those who promote fracking are being fundamentally dishonest about the ugly consequences, and no one who upholds the sanctity of human life could ever support the technology of death known as fracking.


Bernard McIntyre
Bernard McIntyre
@Dallas Mcquarrie. Don't you have to laugh when politician's say another politician is playing politics. Dah, Isn't that what a politician is supposed to do?

David Amos
David Amos
@Dallas Mcquarrie Methinks you should be fair and let the political cards fall where they may. Many folks know that nobody plays the wicked political game any better than the sneaky Green Party aka Watermelon Party. After their leader lied to me in public before the writ was dropped they had me excluded from a debate in Sussex while the English and French Lieutenants of all the political parties just laughed at the malicious nonsense. Furthermore the Greens supported the former President of the SANB who wanted to be a liberal candidate first and attacked my friend Roger Richard merely because he ran against them all as an Independent. The Green's French Lieutenant was barred from Legislative properties for justifiable reasons but allowed back into the House by Chris Collins who also chaired a meeting with all political parties recently for his Green Meanie pals. Of course you know all of this but other folks who read this may not N'esy Pas?

David Amos
David Amos
@Bernard McIntyre YUP









Fred Brewer 
Fred Brewer
The idea of Mr. Higgs wanting to change legislation without first determining if any area really wants fracking is akin to building a bridge without first determining if there is a need for the bridge.

Mr. Higgs, we don't need a Premier who builds bridges to nowhere.

Hold a plebiscite on fracking first. Then if warranted, you can attempt to change the legislation.


Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@Fred Brewer, a bridge where there's no river. He'll promise a river too!

Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@Marguerite Deschamps, David will cry a river under the bridge after itis built as he always does.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Marguerite Deschamps

* a bridge where there's no river. He'll promise a river too!*

He'll promise a polluted river !!

David Amos
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks you should find some manners and address me as Mr Amos because the last thing we are is friends N'esy Pas?



Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, ok mister!












Marguerite Deschamps 
Marguerite Deschamps
He is not known as the elusive Higgs BOZZ0 for nothing, you know.


David Amos
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks you are being a little redundant N'esy Pas?


David Amos
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps "I respect those who deserve respect; which includes neither Higgs, Austin nor Gauvin."

Methinks you enjoy the Circus as much as I even though you find me contemptible too I trust that you understand why I feel honoured that you do N'esy Pas/



Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, don't be so sensitive, mister Amos!











Marguerite Deschamps 
Marguerite Deschamps
He is not known as the elusive Higgs B0ZZ0 for nothing, you know.


David Amos
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks you should hear the names some folks call you N'esy Pas?


David Amos
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David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/shale-gas-rival-higgs-1.4914897

"I respect those who deserve respect; which includes neither Higgs, Austin nor Gauvin."

Methinks that after so many of our comments were deleted yesterday for Martin's I opted to post somewhere where he was not but laughed at your nonsense all the same and teased you elsewhere N'esy Pas?



Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@David Amos, they can call me as they wish to their heart's content! No skin off my neck!









SarahRose Werner 
Marc Martin
*Higgs said the Liberals are playing political games that contradict their promise to collaborate with the government in a legislature where no party has a majority.*

Isn't that what Higgs did when he refused the last throne speech?

*Austin said, however, that he won't necessarily support the Liberal throne speech amendment, either.*

Of course he wont, so that means he's pro fracking.


Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@Marc Martin, birds of a feather flock together. They are both anti-French no matter how they try to spin it to make us believe otherwise. Two peas (CORs) in a pod!

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Marguerite Deschamps

A agree with you.
 
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@reginald churchill

Definition of Fairness from your kind : Segregation, oppression and assimilation.

reginald churchill
reginald churchill
@Marc Martin ------you don't know me. So define my kind

Al Bekirkey
Al Bekirkey
@Marc Martin well to be fair only one side wants to ride on separate school buses

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Al Bekirkey

Then why did the English population requested it first in the late 80s ?

Al Bekirkey
Al Bekirkey
@Marc Martin 2 wrongs dont make a right marc

Bernard McIntyre
Bernard McIntyre
@reginald Churchill. He'll probably say the anti-French kind like he call me yesterday. Just like a child would say.

Bernard McIntyre
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. Are you talking about the SANB?

Al Bekirkey
Al Bekirkey
@Bernard McIntyre somebody give marc a hug hes comin unglued man get some of that gov love and peace flower, you make such good points my man then the tribalism comes through and it diminished your arguments

Jim Reid
Jim Reid
@Marc Martin anyone surprised ?

Jim Reid
Jim Reid
@Marguerite Deschamps why continue with the COR nonsense Marguerite , its 2018 , lets deal with now , dwelling on the past have kept us in the past

Shawn McShane
Shawn McShane
@Marc Martin From the article: Fredericton-York People Alliance MLA Rick Desaulniers said he was "not going to vote in favour of shale gas, period." The other two Alliance members, leader Kris Austin and Miramichi MLA Michelle Conroy, also said they were hesitant about supporting legislation to allow local (shale gas) exemptions.

Tim Raworth
Tim Raworth
@Marguerite Deschamps That's funny. PANB is actually to moderate for many. Its time to actually bring back a party with the COR stance.

Bernard McIntyre
Bernard McIntyre
@Al Bekirkey. Yes I agree. But he makes such stupid comments sometimes you just can't help it.

Archie Levesque
Archie Levesque
@Marguerite Deschamps So collusion and back-room deals are only okay for Liberals?

David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks you were slow on the draw yesterday It took you quite awhile to find this article Methinks it may have been my calls to Ottawa that distracted you N'esy Pas?

David Amos
David Amos
@reginald churchill -"you don't know me. So define my kind"

Methinks you should be overjoyed that he does not consider you his kind of guy N'esy Pas?



David Amos
David Amos
@Bernard McIntyre "Then why did the English population requested it first in the late 80s ?"

Methinks if you were honest about History it was Premier Hatfield who suggested it to Trudeau the Elder in the early eighties in order to get enough votes up north to get reelected N'esy Pas?

David Amos
David Amos
@Bernard McIntyre OOPs the reply above was meant for Mr Marin












Marc Martin 
Bernard McIntyre
Why would Mr. Higgs do what Mr. Gallant wants. Mr. Gallant didn't do what Mr. Higgs wanted. Welcome to the world of politics where it's every party for it's self.


Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre

Someone is bitter this morning..didn't get what you wanted for black Friday?

David Amos
David Amos
@Bernard McIntyre Mais Oui

William Reed
William Reed
@Bernard McIntyre

Why? Because he has to go through the same meat grinder the liberals had to. No one gets elected to demand and get no opposition. People who are against the Con. agenda here with shale gas need an opposition to be represented.










William Reed 
Jonas Smith
Well, I'm done with the Liberal brand. Thanks, Brian for nothing


David Amos
David Amos
@Jonas Smith Methinks you should consider voting for Independent next time N'esy Pas?

William Reed
William Reed
@Jonas Smith

You only do yourself a disservice with that attitude. The way to exploit politicians is to force them to do what you want by electing them. On the issue of shale gas the province is not going to roll over because of the successful polarization created by ambulance chasing Francophobes. Block bad things by supporting bad politicians if you have to. Use them to get what you want.

Robert Brannen
Robert Brannen
@Jonas Smith

As the PCs tried the same ploy before the vote on the Liberal Throne Speech, I expect you are done with the Conservative brand as well.


David Amos
David Amos
@Robert Brannen I wish you could have read my reply in your own thread but I agreed and expanded upon your observation











Robert Brannen 
William Reed
You can call this political games if you want, but they are in fact games the elite play to get their way. If shale gas was not included into the vote by the opposition here, and the throne speech was supported the moratorium would be lifted faster than our resource giants that hide park their money in offshore trusts could say: Go! Everyone who was so vocal about not doing that would be left powerless. Now they get a chance speak with their tongues to allow us to see if they are forked.

The Liberals have once again given you a great gift with the chance to have a say. If the Cons. are determined to push through they simply need to be defeated and we need to back to having an election over issues of governance that actually matter. Let's not allow this to go back to the side of the road with guns drawn.


David Amos
David Amos
@William Reed Well put










Robert Brannen
 Robert Brannen
"Among the major commitments in the speech: ...
A push for more development of natural resources that respects local and Indigenous communities 'who choose to pursue resource-based jobs and investment,'." -- from CBC story,

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/blaine-higgs-throne-speech-1.4912816

Higgs, in the Throne Speech, is making a commitment to approve fracking; except he will be put the blame on the petroleum inuatry, when the industry applies for approval he will say that it was the industry which made the decision because the industry will insist that extraction of the resource would not have be economically viable otherwise.



David Amos
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David Amos
@Robert Brannen Methinks folks should put throne speech aside and see this for what it is. The liberals whom I have no respect for at least done us a favour and served upon a great stress test of the PANB and their principals before the right wing wackos help Higgs to secure a mandate N'esy Pas?


David Amos
David Amos
@Robert Brannen Too bad you cannot read my reply










Arthur John
Arthur John
I cant recall any complaints about Corridor and Potash Corp utilizing hydraulic fracturing in the Sussex area since 2007. It wasn't until the American company SWN Resources became interested in New Brunswick that there were any protests at all. They obviously were operating in an area where they were not welcome


David Amos
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David Amos
@Arthur John Methinks some folks may recall me talking about such things. Check out a portion of a story which appeared in the Kings County Record on June 22, 2004 They definitely mentioned that I was talking about natural gas then N'esy Pas?

The Unconventional Candidate
By Gisele McKnight

"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."

Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos. The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from running for office in Canada."

"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."

"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.

"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window

NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico

David Amos
David Amos
@David Amos Methinks somebody just failed my stress test of their ethics 3 times in a row N'esy Pas?

David Amos
David Amos
@David Amos Cui bono?

Robert Brannen
Robert Brannen
@Arthur John

The area affected by hydraulic fracturing is dependent on the type of drilling that has occured. The area affected on a vertical bore is limited to an area of several square feet around the well head; the area affected on a horizontally drilled well can extend for several square miles around the well head.

Wells have been horizontally drilled to distances of up to six miles from the well head.
Hydraulic fracturing of such a well, with bores in all directions from the well head, would affect an area of 28 square miles (73.5 sq. km.) surrounding the well head

David Amos
David Amos
@Arthur John "I cant recall any complaints about Corridor and Potash"

Methinks some folks recall what I did beginning back in 2004 why else was my reply to you blocked N'esy Pas?



David Amos
David Amos
@Arthur John "They obviously were operating in an area where they were not welcome"

Methinks it depends who you are For instance Corridor resources and the Irving Clan are welcome in the Sussex area but if you were Windsor Energy you would wind up suing Bruce Northrup in order to thump around town








stephen blunston 
stephen blunston
Well should be a vote in ea h area that wants it for the jobs. At least mr highs trying to bring something forward to create jobs and increase tax revenue to pay for all these social programs the other parts want. More than Gallant did whole time on power


Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@stephen blunston, so as to bring about our demise much sooner which would be a good way to cut Medicare costs.





Liberals test PC minority with push to bring shale gas issue to a vote

Liberal leader introduces amendment to PC throne speech to continue moratorium


Premier Blaine Higgs says the Liberals are playing political games by introducing an amendment to the throne speech calling for the continuation of the moratorium on hydraulic fracturing. (James West/Canadian Press)


The Opposition Liberals have moved to force a vote in the legislature next Friday on the contentious issue of shale gas development.

Liberal Leader Brian Gallant has introduced an amendment to the Progressive Conservative government's throne speech motion calling on the PCs "to continue the moratorium on hydraulic fracturing in all parts of the province."

MLAs will have to vote on that amendment Nov. 30 before voting on the main throne speech motion itself. The latter vote will determine if the PC minority government can govern with the confidence of the legislature.

Three MLAs from the People's Alliance have promised to vote to keep the PCs in power by supporting them in all confidence votes. But the party's members are less willing to support legislation that would lift a moratorium on shale gas.


Liberal Leader Brian Gallant says the Tories have not been given the mandate to lift the fracking moratorium. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)

Gallant told the legislature in his official response to the throne speech that the PCs don't have a mandate to allow fracking.

"There absolutely has to be a clear majority of the people of this legislature that would allow for that moratorium to be lifted in any shape or form," he said.

Liberals accused of playing political games


PC Premier Blaine Higgs has already promised legislation to create local exemptions to the Liberal moratorium in areas of the province where there is support for development.

But Gallant noted Thursday that the law passed by his government gave cabinet the power to impose a moratorium with a simple order.

That means the law also gives the new Higgs cabinet the power to "unilaterally remove or modify" the moratorium without a vote in the legislature, he said.
At this stage of the game in a minority situation, we don't want to be tackling issues that are highly controversial.- People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin
Higgs told reporters he would go back and check on that.

"I guess I should go and read the legislative process and what the bill actually was and how it was worded," he said.

Higgs said the Liberals are playing political games that contradict their promise to collaborate with the government in a legislature where no party has a majority.

"You hear all the flowery words from a week ago, but boy, the tone's starting to change now," Higgs said.

Alliance votes


Gallant introduced the amendment one day after Fredericton-York Alliance MLA Rick Desaulniers said he was "not going to vote in favour of shale gas, period."

The other two Alliance members, leader Kris Austin and Miramichi MLA Michelle Conroy, also said they were hesitant about supporting legislation to allow local exemptions.
Without support from the Alliance, Higgs and the other 21 PC MLAs would not be able to pass legislation alone in the 49-member house.

Austin said, however, that he won't necessarily support the Liberal throne speech amendment, either.

"I don't want to put barriers up for areas that want to proceed, like Sussex," he said. "That's a local issue for them and that's something they've elected a local MLA to address."


People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin urged the PCs to avoid including a direct reference to fracking in the throne speech. (James West/Canadian Press)

He also said if the amendment is considered a confidence vote, he and his two fellow Alliance MLAs would honour their promise to prop up the Higgs government.

"We're not going to collapse the government for some sort of trick that the opposition's trying to put forward," he said.

"It seems like the opposition wants another election. It baffles me. We're trying to do everything we can to avoid another election and instead get things done in government."

No mention in throne speech


Gallant said Thursday he did not consider the amendment to be a confidence matter.

Memramcook-Tantramar Green MLA Megan Mitton said she would vote for the Liberal motion and, given the comments by Desaulniers on Wednesday, "it's my impression that there would be the votes to pass that motion."
She said the Green Party is working on legislation to write the moratorium into law because the throne speech amendment wouldn't be binding and is "more of a symbolic suggestion."

Gallant told reporters that it was "bizarre" that Tuesday's PC throne speech, laying out the new government's agenda, didn't explicitly mention its plans to revive shale gas.

Austin said on Tuesday he had urged the Tories to not include a direct reference in the speech.
"At this stage of the game in a minority situation, we don't want to be tackling issues that are highly controversial," he said.

Gallant said that's further proof of a secret deal creating what he repeatedly called "an Alliance-Conservative government."


The Higgs government's throne speech was read in the legislature Nov. 20 by Lt.-Gov. Jocelyne Roy Vienneau. (James West/Canadian Press)

Higgs said he chose to make the throne speech more of a "philosophical process" than the usual laundry list of promises.

"We're not going to try to cover everything," he said. "I wasn't trying to make it a controversial document. In fact, just the opposite."

Even so, he hasn't shied away from his plan to allow fracking in areas that support it.

Asked if he would lift or change the moratorium by cabinet order if it turned out he didn't need legislation, Higgs said he would "commit to reading that piece of legislation so that I'm very clear on what it requires and doesn't require, and we'll talk about it after that."

But he said he still wanted to have a vote in the legislature.

"That is what I think is the right thing to do, and that will be my goal," Higgs said. "So if it has a different capability in the actual document, that isn't what I intend to do at this stage."

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Revival of shale gas development could be in jeopardy

Blaine Higgs would like to allow fracking in Sussex but may not have enough votes in house


Premier Blaine Higgs argues shale gas, which is cleaner than oil, would be a good transitional energy source as province tries to reduce carbon dioxide emissions. (CBC)


Premier Blaine Higgs's plan to revive shale gas development is in jeopardy after three People's Alliance MLAs signalled they could vote against legislation that would exempt some regions from a provincial moratorium.

Their comments came after Higgs told the legislature that his Progressive Conservative minority government will introduce a bill to allow the local exemptions.

Rick Desaulniers, the Alliance MLA for Fredericton-York, told reporters that based on what he heard during the election campaign, he's dead-set against any exceptions.
There'll be lots of emotional discussions, but let's base our decision on what the reality is of exploring a resource that can very much make a difference here in our province. - Blaine Higgs, premier
"If I'm going to be the voice of the people of Fredericton-York, I am not going to vote in favour of shale gas, period," he said. "And if it comes to lifting the moratorium in Sussex, I'm not going to vote in favour of that, either. I do not believe in shale gas."

Higgs wants the first lifting of the moratorium to be in the Sussex area, where Corridor Resources wants to frack its existing wells to restart the extraction of shale gas.

Alliance Leader Kris Austin said it's up to the local MLA, PC Bruce Northrup, to decide what's right for that area.

But Austin also said he's "leaning towards [voting] against" any legislation that comes to the floor.

MLA concerns


Miramichi Alliance MLA Michelle Conroy is also hesitant about supporting the move.
She said she will consult people in her riding about how to vote and has heard pros and cons.

"I have concerns myself, health concerns, concerns for the people, concerns for the environment," Conroy said.

"I share all those concerns too, so I wouldn't want anything done until we absolutely know for sure nothing is going to harm anybody from it."

With 20 Liberal MLAs and three Greens already against lifting the moratorium, it would take only two Alliance MLAs joining them to defeat the PC legislation outright in the 49-member house.

"Twenty-five's the magic number," Green Party Leader David Coon said. "We're darn close to having 25 votes based on what people are saying. That's the goal to keep the moratorium in place."

Kent South Liberal MLA Benoî​t Bourque said that with a minority government that won only 32 per cent of the vote, the PCs don't have a mandate to undo the moratorium.

Creating exemptions

 


Before the moratorium, First Nations and others opposed to shale gas development held protests in eastern New Brunswick. (CBC)
The Liberal government of Brian Gallant passed legislation in 2014 giving the cabinet the power to pass a regulation imposing a moratorium. Gallant's cabinet did that in early 2015.

Technically, Higgs's cabinet could lift that without having to pass new legislation.

But in question period on Wednesday he said he would bring in legislation "in order to move in a regional way, in a very localized way" to create exemptions.

Higgs said the government will consult local communities and "all interested stakeholders" to ensure there is support in a given area for allowing fracking.

"That's a heavily weighted part of the debate because that's where it's going to be," he said.
He said he would try to win over hesitant opposition MLAs using evidence that hydraulic fracturing can be done safely.

"What we need to do is put all the facts on the table," he said. "There'll be lots of emotional discussions, but let's base our decision on what the reality is of exploring a resource that can very much make a difference here in our province."

Not a confidence matter


Higgs said he would not declare the shale gas legislation a confidence matter to ensure passage. The Alliance has promised to vote with the PCs on confidence votes for 18 months. Defeat on a confidence matter could trigger an election.

"We can't have everything coming to the legislature be a confidence vote," Higgs said. "My lifespan would be kind of short, wouldn't it? … The idea is there will be things passed and there will be things that won't."

Coon said he may try to assemble the 25 votes needed to pass a private member's bill that would write the moratorium into law.
Higgs has billed the local lifting of the moratorium as a compromise between an outright ban and full-scale development.

The premier said with natural gas supplies off Sable Island dwindling and New Brunswick customers likely to pay more for U.S. gas, it's imperative the province explore whether a homegrown source is viable.

He also argues that natural gas, a cleaner fossil fuel than oil or coal, will make a good transitional energy source as the province looks to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.

Coon said that may have been a good argument three decades ago, but with more frequent extreme weather linked to climate change, "we don't have the time for that anymore" and the province must shift directly to renewable energy sources.




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 Marguerite Deschamps 
Marguerite Deschamps
@Fred Knox, I respect those who deserve respect; which includes neither Higgs, Austin nor Gauvin.




Marguerite Deschamps 
Marguerite Deschamps
@Bernard McIntyre, well this happens to be the name that I call them.


Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Paul Bourgoin

The real name is The Alliance CoRservative Party of New Brunswick.





Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Paul Bourgoin

*Now who do they represent???*

the anti-French population of NB.



 
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Pete Lang

*he jumped into bed with these COR rascals*

I don't think he jumped, Higgs and Kris A. seem like the slow lover type....






Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Brian Robertson

They should frack in your backyard....










Fred Brewer
Fred Brewer
Three cheers for PA. I am so glad you have the guts to stand up against Higg's insane idea to frack our province.


Jim Johnston
Jim Johnston
@Fred Brewer As much as I dislike some of the PA platforms it is nice to see a political party where character and integrity!


Fred Brewer
Fred Brewer
@Jim Johnston
I agree. Integrity is something we have not seen from our Legislative Assembly in a very long time. I think PA and Greens are bringing integrity to our government.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Fred Brewer

* I think PA are bringing bigotry and a new anti-French sentiment to our government.*

Corrected you.

Bernard McIntyre
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. Only in your mind.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre

Its actually a fact !!
 
Bernard McIntyre
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. Only in your mind

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre

Nope its a fact!!!







Marguerite Deschamps 
Marguerite Deschamps
This is just the beginning and there is already dissension in the COR party ranks. As I have already stated the elusive Higgs Bozzo has a foot out the door and the other on a banana peel.


Harold Benson
Harold Benson
@Marguerite Deschamps But it's been found!!

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Marguerite Deschamps

Come on now....give the new political party * Alliance CoRservative party of New Brunswick* a chance...








Marc Martin 
Jake Newman
any province that refuses to fully develop all their potential economic resources should have their transfers payments reduced.


Marguerite Deschamps
Marguerite Deschamps
@Jake Newman, rather have the polluters pay for environmental damage caused by global warming.

Andy Davis
Andy Davis
@Jake Newman oilberta right?

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Jake Newman

We are going to have to send Alberta some potato's soon to help with food issues, so be nice !!!







https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/american-iron-and-metal-aim-environment-saint-john-port-explosions-1.4915324


Environment minister threatens stop-work order for scrap recycler

'Not an acceptable situation,' Jeff Carr says of explosions at Saint John company


New Brunswick Environment Minister Jeff Carr says he's prepared to shut down the American Iron and Metal operation if the number of blasts increases. (CBC)


New Brunswick Environment Minister Jeff Carr says he's prepared to slap a cease-work order on Saint John's American Iron and Metal if he has to.

There have been at least two explosions so far this week at the scrap recycling operation on the city's west side, and more than 40 blasts, large and small, over the past 18 months.

"I've got to tell you, I'm pretty concerned with what I see down at the port with AIM and the volume of incidents that have happened lately," Carr said Wednesday. "If this keeps elevating and continues, then I'm afraid I'm going to have to come in and take it to the next level."

Carr suggested some downtime for the plant might be required to assess the nature of the problem.
"We will look at the approval to operate and a cease-work order if we have to because it's getting to the point where there doesn't seem to be a resolution in sight."

The approval to operate is a permit issued by the Department of Environment and Local Government. If revoked the company would have to shut down.

AIM's permit comes with 53 conditions that give the province broad powers over the facility.

Meeting set for this week


Among them is condition 26: "If, in the opinion of the Minister, the environmental impact of the Facility is unacceptable, the Minister reserves the right to cancel the Approval and issue a new Approval with terms and conditions as deemed necessary."

Two other conditions, numbers 37 and 38, deal with steps to control the arrival and handling of potentially explosive components to limit or eliminate explosions.

Carr said he will ensure a representative of the Department of Environment and Local Government attends a meeting scheduled Friday between AIM owner Herb Black and officials from the city and Port of Saint John.

An American Iron and Metal communications consultant could not immediately be reached Wednesday



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eddy watts 
eddy watts
"I'm afraid I'm going to have to come in and take it to the next level." sounds like a child! Just do your job, you owe the people that!


David Amos
David Amos
@eddy watts Methinks its just tough talk to look good before the vote on the 30th after that he will lose the file N'esy Pas?










eddy watts 
GARY MERCER
Wow, close it based on what? You would think that in order to determine the issue , you would continue running it , monitor from inside and see exactly what the issue is! To claim “explosions” because of noise, is like screaming “fire” when you see possible smoke on the horizon only to find out is is either steam or fog. Force them to close may result in AIM packing up , jobs and all for another more receptive location with a Port facility. Noticeably, Belledune is quiet on this , awaiting the spoils. I don’t think that Carr has the credentials to make the call.


Shawn McShane
Shawn McShane
@GARY MERCER Saint John Harbour MLA Gerry Lowe witnessed the explosion from his home at Robertson's Wharf, across the harbour from the plant.

"I had a window that wasn't locked down and it rattled that," he said. "It was a good one." Citizens affected by the explosions have scheduled a public presentation...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/aim-scrap-metal-explosion-saint-john-1.4911676

David Amos
David Amos
@Shawn McShane Methinks whereas the Port is under Federal Jurisdiction the folks should be petitioning their local MP and the Cabinet Ministers who oversee it N'esy Pas?










Fred Brewer 
Fred Brewer
Carr said Wednesday. "If this keeps elevating and continues, then I'm afraid I'm going to have to come in and take it to the next level."

With all due respect Mr. Carr, this situation is already out of control. Why do you think it has to get worse before you will step in and "take it to the next level" (whatever that means).?


David Amos
David Amos
@Fred Brewer Methinks I should why you believe Mr Carr is due any respect whatsoever N'esy Pas?











Matt Steele 
Matt Steele
The AIM scrape business should never have been allowed to set up on the Port property to start with . The first thing that Cruise Ship passengers see when they come into the Saint John is a massive scrape dumb with dust flying , explosions going off , and dirty water running into the harbor . What a way to make a first impression . It is the first thing that the Cruise ships see upon arrival , and the last thing they see when leaving .


Harold Benson
Harold Benson
@Matt Steele No different than any other industrial city. Besides, i'm sure tourists notice the huge smoke stacks billowing poison into the air well before they see that bit of RRR rusty steel.

David Amos
David Amos
@Harold Benson Methinks inquiring minds would like to know if the Ghost ol Sam agrees N'esy Pas?




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