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Engineer concluded suspended N.B. engineer's buildings risked collapse, seeks provincial review

John Richardson says ‘immediate danger has gone away’ for known buildings

A Halifax structural engineer has described some buildings by a suspended Moncton engineer as the scariest things he's come across during his nearly four-decade career.

John Richardson told CBC News that over the last six months, he has reviewed several multi-storey apartment buildings allegedly designed by Hélène Thériault that he concluded were at risk of collapse.

"They're working for various reasons that should not be part of the structural design," Richardson said of his conclusions about the structures.

"Things like the drywall partitions and components like that are what are helping hold these buildings up temporarily. And they're not meant to do that."

Richardson's comments offer a glimpse into the seriousness and scope of the allegations against Thériault and her company, Ingénierie Match Engineering Inc., and a scramble to identify and check buildings she allegedly helped design in multiple New Brunswick communities.

CBC tried, but was unable, to get a full picture of how many buildings Thériault worked on, where they are located and whether she worked alone or as part of a team.

In response to two lawsuits, Match has admitted to the "under design" of components of two buildings in Shediac and Miramichi.

The details in the court filings align with what Richardson told CBC he observed.

Thériault did not respond to requests for comment.

A lawyer representing her and Match Engineering in lawsuits filed by building owners that used Richardson to review their structures declined to comment while the matters are before the courts.

WATCH | N.B. structural engineer suspended over alleged deficiencies with multiple buildings:
 

Halifax engineer concluded buildings could be at risk of collapse

Duration 3:57
A Halifax structural engineer is speaking out after reviewing plans allegedly drawn up by Moncton engineer Hélène Thériault.

Thériault's firm was incorporated in 2015 and records list her as its only corporate director. Associations in Prince Edward Island and Nova Scotia, where she was also registered, described her as the only engineer associated with the company.

While architects conceive of a building's overall design, a structural engineer would be responsible for detailed engineering designs and structural analysis. Their plans would be used for construction.

But all of the ones I've looked at that have these issues have been shored up to the best of my knowledge. So the current and immediate danger has gone away.
- John Richardson, structural engineer

Richardson described the plans he reviewed as being for buildings mainly in southeast New Brunswick, though some were in Saint John and Miramichi.

"They all had issues to varying degrees, and about half of those, approximately, are occupied," Richardson said.

"But all of the ones I've looked at that have these issues have been shored up to the best of my knowledge. So the current and immediate danger has gone away."

He said shoring up buildings has meant adding temporary supports as longer-term fixes are planned.

"I've been a structural engineer for 38 years, designing buildings, and I have not seen anything like this once," said Richardson, whose past work includes the Halifax convention centre and apartment buildings.

The company he works for also helped design Moncton's Avenir Centre arena.

Suspended in May

The Association of Professional Engineers & Geoscientists of New Brunswick, which regulates the engineering profession, suspended Thériault's licence to practise on May 10 pending a disciplinary hearing. She has been a member since 2011. 

The New Brunswick association said in a June 7 statement the suspension was based on "allegations of serious deficiencies in the design of multiple buildings, both constructed and under construction."

The association has yet to specify what the alleged problems are, how many buildings or in what communities.

Several municipalities, as well as New Brunswick's Department of Public Safety, haven't answered how many buildings Thériault allegedly designed in their jurisdictions. 

Julie Albert, a spokesperson for the City of Dieppe, said that as of June 19, it has identified about 20 buildings linked to Thériault in the municipality. The statement did not identify the buildings.

Albert said the city continues to work with building owners.

Richardson described becoming involved in reviewing some of Thériault's buildings in December. He said he was contacted after cracks were noticed in the foundation of a 63-unit apartment building that was still under construction in Dieppe.

A multi-storey building under construction. Richardson says his involvement began with this Dieppe apartment building. (Becky Parsons/Radio-Canada)

Quest CEO Harold Daley told CBC the company turned to Richardson after working with him on a previous project. 

Richardson said he reviewed the building plans and quickly concluded there was a problem with what's called a transfer slab that serves as the roof of a parking garage, carrying the weight of four floors and a roof to support columns.

"I've done numerous buildings similar to that, so I sort of knew based on how many levels were above what the spans were, what that floor should look like, and this building just obviously didn't meet what I expected at all," Richardson said.

Just before Christmas, Richardson toured the building and said he saw more cracks than he considered normal. In Richardson's opinion, the building wasn't safe for construction work to continue. 

Daley said work halted in January as temporary supports were added to make the building safe. Daley said permanent measures were added with Richardson's input.

"The temporary measures that were put in place have been taken down and the building is safe now for occupancy," Daley said, saying it's set to open in September.

'My heart kind of sunk'

Richardson said he spoke to Thériault by phone Jan. 9 and asked how many similar buildings she had designed, saying he recalls her saying she worked on many of them.

"At that point my heart kind of sunk," he said.

That same day, he wrote to the engineers' association about his concerns, writing that he wouldn't file a formal complaint because he did not have details about her other buildings. He asked the association to take over.

What happened between his message and her suspension four months later has emerged as a point of contention.

In a statement to CBC, the association's CEO and registrar, Lia Daborn, said the lack of a formal complaint by Richardson "hampered our efforts." 

The statement says that "following its own investigation," the association "filed the Complaint against Ms. Thériault." It didn't say when that investigation began, or when the complaint was filed.

The statement said the association's complaint was without assistance from on-the-record information from Thériault's clients or engineers who reviewed her work.

"In fact, if anyone had gone on the record with the Association, we may have been able to act sooner," Daborn said in the statement.

A mobile crane beside a multi-storey building under construction. Richardson says he was asked to review plans for this apartment building in Dieppe last December. (Becky Parsons/Radio-Canada)

After his involvement with the Dieppe building, Richardson said, he began hearing from other companies that allegedly used Thériault's designs, as well as from municipalities, which wanted him to take a look at plans.

Richardson told CBC he passed along information to the association as more buildings came to his attention. The association didn't answer a question from CBC about that.

A lawsuit against Thériault's firm, Match Engineering, was filed in March about its work on the Dieppe building. The case refers to expenses to investigate cracks, but doesn't name Richardson.

Last month, Match's lawyer filed a statement of defence in the case. 

"Match admits to certain deficiencies in design, but, denies all other statements and allegations" in the lawsuit, the document states. The court filing doesn't elaborate on the admitted deficiencies.

Two other lawsuits have been filed against Thériault and Match Engineering about buildings in Shediac and Miramichi, buildings Richardson had also been asked to review. Statements of defence were filed in those cases Monday. 

"Match admits to under design of the transfer slab and certain elements, including columns and supports, supporting and connected to the slab," the documents state, going on to say there was insufficient rebar specified by Match.

The statements of defence say that Match wasn't the cause of losses alleged by building owners, but says if they had losses, it was caused by unnamed contractors on the projects, or by other officials.

A multi-storey building clad in black and white material with several vehicles parked nearby. One lawsuit alleges issues in the design of this apartment building in Shediac that required temporary and permeant fixes. (Becky Parsons/Radio-Canada)

Richardson said the buildings he's reviewed are multi-storey apartment buildings with several floors above an indoor parking garage. 

In basic terms, Richardson described the main issue he observed as a concrete transfer slab over the parking garage that's too thin, with too little supporting steel.

"We design building components so they have more capacity than the load that they are expected to have to carry, and that's our safety factor," Richardson said. 

But, he said, he concluded the buildings lacked a safety factor to support loads the buildings might typically see day-to-day. 

Based on his experience, he said this could lead to the slab failing, resulting in higher levels collapsing into the basement.

"That hasn't happened, thank goodness," Richardson said. "But we were very concerned, particularly with some of the buildings."

Evacuations were considered at several points, but ultimately none have occurred. Instead, he said, he was comforted that temporary supports could be in place within 24 to 48 hours.

Richardson said he opted to speak publicly because he worries there may be other buildings that Thériault worked on that have yet to be checked.

"Because they are so dangerous that they could in fact collapse and there's people living in them. That's my big worry."

Asked whether the association has a full list of her work over the years, the engineer association's CEO said in a statement it is in "possession of Ms. Thériault's records," but didn't directly say if that means it has a complete list. 

The association said its investigation is ongoing.

"As any further issues are identified, we will continue to work, municipalities, provincial officials, and building owners to ensure public safety," Daborn said in the statement.

Engineer calls for provincial investigation

The association said it has hired an external investigator to review the known designs of buildings and structures associated with Thériault.

It said it is still awaiting the investigator's report.

However, Richardson is calling for a broader review, suggesting what he saw requires the provincial government to appoint a person, or several, to find and check each building.

"I'm not looking to do the work, just to be clear," Richardson said.

"We have — we're very busy. We have more than enough work, but I'm just concerned about the safety of the people living in these buildings."

A spokesperson for New Brunswick's Department of Public Safety didn't address the call for a provincially led investigation, instead directing questions to the association.

Hearing postponed

Thériault was to face a disciplinary hearing in June, but that hearing was cancelled. The association said her lawyer has agreed to facilitate the process without her needing to attend. It's unclear when, or if, a hearing may take place.

The Prince Edward Island engineering association has also suspended Thériault following her suspension in New Brunswick, though it says there's no indication she has worked on buildings in that province.

Engineers Nova Scotia says Thériault resigned from that association earlier this year, and it isn't aware of any buildings in that province she worked on.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Shane Magee

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Shane Magee is a Moncton-based reporter for CBC.

With files from Pascal Raiche-Nogue

 
 
 
 
 
 

John Richardson

 
Senior Structural Engineer John Richardson has been a driving force behind numerous schools, university and college buildings, as well as hospitals, nursing homes and recreational buildings. In his more than 37 years with BMR, John’s experience has covered virtually all structure types, including steel, concrete, masonry, timber, and tilt-up panels. As a LEED® Accredited Professional, John brings to every project an understanding of green building practices and principles that meet the LEED internationally accepted benchmark for the design and construction of high performance green buildings.

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Founded in 1920, (APEGNB) took responsibility of regulating New Brunswick’s engineering profession and in 1999 assumed the regulation of the geoscience profession as well. APEGNB has over 6,000 engineers, geoscientists, engineers-in-training, and geoscientists-in-training registered.

Our registrants work in more than 30 different engineering/geoscience disciplines – from designing and creating energy-efficient buildings and faster computers to ensuring New Brunswickers have access to clean drinking water and have safe and responsible mining practices.

 

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  • Ensuring all licensed professional engineers and geoscientists are qualified;
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  • Taking action against unlicensed individuals or entities who illegally describe themselves as engineers or geoscientists or provide these services;
  • Preparing performance standards in regulation.

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APEGNB is governed by the Engineering and Geoscience Professions Act. The Act gives the Association the right to:

  • Regulate the practice of engineering and geoscience, and to govern these professions in accordance with the Act and By-Laws;
  • Establish and maintain standards of knowledge and skill among its members;
  • Establish and maintain standards of professional ethics among its members, in order that the public interest may be served and protected.

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Engineers Canada upholds the honour, integrity, and interests of the engineering profession by supporting consistent high standards in the regulation of engineering, encouraging the growth of the profession in Canada, and inspiring public confidence. For over 80 years, we have worked on behalf of the provincial and territorial associations that regulate engineering practice and license the country’s 300,000 members of the engineering profession.

Our work is focussed on 10 core purposes, as established by Engineers Canada’s members, the engineering regulators:

  1. Accrediting undergraduate engineering programs.
  2. Facilitating and fostering working relationships between and among the regulators.
  3. Providing services and tools that enable the assessment of engineering qualifications, foster excellence in engineering practice and regulation, and facilitate mobility of practitioners within Canada.
  4. Offering national programs.
  5. Advocating to the federal government.
  6. Actively monitoring, researching, and advising on changes and advances that impact the Canadian regulatory environment and the engineering profession.
  7. Managing risks and opportunities associated with mobility of work and practitioners internationally.
  8. Fostering recognition of the value and contribution of the profession to society and sparking interest in the next generation of professionals.
  9. Promoting diversity and inclusivity in the profession that reflects Canadian society.
  10. Protecting any word(s), mark, design, slogan, or logo, or any literary, or other work, as the case may be, pertaining to the engineering profession or to its objects.

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Engineers Canada has been selected as a National Capital Region Top Employer since 2017, while in 2021 the organization earned a gold certification against the Excellence Canada framework for Excellence, Innovation, and Wellness. Part of this journey to excellence was an organization-wide collaboration on six defining values:

  • We take pride in creating a culture of teamwork and wellness.
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These values weave through all aspects of our work and workplace culture, creating a trusting, open place where each person can contribute and thrive.

History of the organization

The first steps towards establishing a legal status for the profession of engineering began in the late 19th century. By 1930, eight provinces had legislation in place to regulate the practice of engineering. However, each Act showed considerable variation; after a few years the profession began discussing how they could be brought into greater harmony. After much discussion between the provincial regulators, eventually a constitution was agreed upon, and in 1936, Engineers Canada was created—known at the time as the Dominion Council of Professional Engineers. The organization was originally founded by Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Quebec, and Saskatchewan. In subsequent years, the remaining provinces and territories joined the organization, with the most recent addition of Nunavut in 2008.

1896: First act to regulate the practice of engineering passes in Manitoba

1920: The first provincial regulatory bodies form: Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Quebec

1922: Ontario provincial regulatory body forms

1930: Saskatchewan provincial regulatory body forms

1936: Dominion Council of Professional Engineers forms

1952: Newfoundland and Labrador provincial regulatory body forms

1955: PEI provincial regulatory body forms

1956: Yukon territorial regulatory body forms

1959: The Dominion changes its name to Canadian Council of Professional Engineers (C.C.P.E.)

1969: Northwest Territories territorial regulatory body forms

2007: CCPE becomes known as Engineers Canada

2008: The Engineers and Geoscientists Act is enacted in Nunavut

As the organization has evolved over time, it has undergone two name changes. In 1959, it became known as the Canadian Council of Professional Engineers (C.C.P.E.), and in 2007, it took its current name, Engineers Canada.

 

Daily Media Report recap: June 7-June 20, 2024

Published June 20, 2024

Engineers Canada news

An engineer is being suspended and prosecuted over faulty designs. Hélène Thériault, a Moncton structural engineer, has been suspended in New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island, and lawsuits have been filed alleging design flaws in three apartment buildings she helped design. One of the buildings in question is an apartment complex on rue des Élèves, in Dieppe. The project developer alleges that significant cracks were discovered in the walls of the foundation that were allegedly caused by inadequate structural elements. It is also alleged that the plans did not comply to national standards. 
 
 

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Conservation Council criticized for political activity

The New Brunswick Conservation Council is getting a black eye from an organization called Charity Watch.

The Toronto-based group claims to have told Revenue Canada the Council spends too much money on political activity and should be audited. But questions are being raised about who is making the accusations.

The Council has been around for 30 years. It takes public stands on environmental issues.

Lia Daborn is the executive director, one of three full time employees. She got a phone call from a reporter at a New Brunswick newspaper, who in turn had been called by George Barkhouse, director of an outfit called Charity Watch.

Barkhouse claimed the Conservation Council spends too much money on political activities.

He says he alerted Revenue Canada to audit whether the council has violated the limit on lobbying allowed by a charitable tax status.

Daborn says the Council is acting as it should. "We're not doing anything outside what Revenue Canada believes is acceptable."

Daborn says most of the council's political work involves day-to-day business with government and the public on environmental issues.

"When we spoke to our auditor he said these activities would have been something that we would have doing anyway in the course of our work."

Revenue Canada confirms that Charity Watch is registered as a charity. It lists a street address in Toronto but no phone number.

Revenue Canada can't talk about whether Charity Watch called about the Conservation Council but CBC News found a reference to Charity Watch on the website of another environmental group in Toronto.

Members of a newly-formed political action group called EnvironmentVoter claims Barkhouse has been making harassing phone calls to them, and leaving "threatening messages."

This group's web page describes Barkhouse as a "notorious right wing zealot."

One of the group's directors said in a phone interview that in March, she filed a formal complaint against Barkhouse with the Toronto Police Hate Crimes unit.

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STANDING COMMITTEE ON ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT

COMITÉ PERMANENT DE L'ENVIRONNEMENT ET DU DÉVELOPPEMENT DURABLE

EVIDENCE

[Recorded by Electronic Apparatus]

Tuesday, September 25, 2001

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[English]

The Chair (Mr. Charles Caccia (Davenport, Lib.)): Order.

[Translation]

Good afternoon and welcome everyone.

[English]

We have a long list of witnesses wishing to speak and we welcome you
all in this room. This committee is very happy to have the opportunity
of getting together and revisiting an issue that is never visited
enough and needs constant attention, care, and political pressure.

The committee today is ready to start. I have a brief announcement to
the effect that downstairs, in room 200, there is a magnificent
activity consisting of displays and organic food—actually we can
already see some evidence here. The afternoon is intended to be an
information and public education event in room 200, and then at 6
o'clock it will peak with a number of speeches under the capable
chairmanship of Mr. Clifford Lincoln. We will all enjoy, I think, a
social event of that kind.

I welcome also those of you who are in the room and are not witnesses.
I recognize a number of familiar faces. Time here is always very
valuable, and there may also be a vote that will interfere with our
proceedings later in the afternoon, possibly after 5 o'clock.
Therefore, I would invite those who are representing the organizations
listed on this sheet to proceed in the order of listing. I would
invite the speakers to keep their comments to about three or four
minutes, so as to allow everybody to have a chance to speak. It is an
important fact that usually the most important information comes to
the surface during the question and answer period.

Who would like to therefore speak on behalf of the Conservation
Council of New Brunswick? Nobody here?

We have the Sierra Club-Chinook Group.

Ms. Jennifer Wright (Sierra Club-Chinook Group): Yes.

The Chair: You will be speaking for them? Then you will be followed by
the World Wildlife Fund Canada. Is that present in the room? Not yet.
The Ontario Landscape Alliance—is there anyone here?

Ms. Sheryl Shour (President, Organic Landscape Alliance): It should be
the Organic Landscape Alliance.

The Chair: “Organic” instead of “Ontario”, thank you.

Then we have the Canadian Association of Physicians for the
Environment—you're there, thank you. And then we have Jean-Dominique
Levesque-René. Is he here? No, he hasn't arrived yet. Oh, yes, there
he is in front. Rod MacRae is present. The Sierra Club of Canada,
Angela Rickman—she is coming. Julia Langer is here for WWF.
Nature-Action Quebec—merci. CropLife Canada is here, thank you. And
finally among the listed ones we have Organic Landscape Alliance.

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Ms. Sheryl Shour: Twice.

The Chair: We'll start in the order that we just called. The Sierra
Club-Chinook Group.

Ms. Jennifer Wright: Starting this meeting out, I'm not sure what tone
to set. I imagine most people in the room are fairly informed on the
issue, and so without going into any detail on what my concerns are,
I'm going to focus on the Calgary aspect of things. I'm guessing
that's probably the direction I should be going.

My name is Jennifer Wright and I'm with the Sierra Club based in
Calgary. We have been working in conjunction with several other groups
to reduce cosmetic pesticide use in our city. So where we've gone with
that is city council. We've worked through the direction of starting a
bylaw to ban the use of cosmetic pesticides in parks and green spaces,
as many other people here are trying to do in their communities across
Canada.

The City Council of Calgary decided it was a little premature to look
at reducing cosmetic pesticides to any great extent. As many of you
are probably aware, the City of Calgary has a program called
integrated pest management, which they promote quite highly, and they
will probably tell anyone who contacts them in Parks and Recreation
that they feel integrated pest management is a great system, the idea
being that it should reduce the amount of pesticides used by, again,
applying safer alternatives where possible. The Sierra Club does not
support integrated pest management at all, and we feel that in Calgary
it has not been used the way it's been described in this manual. We
are a little concerned that Ottawa was considering looking at this
plan.

The City of Calgary still considers the dandelion to be a noxious
weed. It's one of the few places in Canada where it's illegal to have
a seeding dandelion on your lawn. We're concerned about that, because
dandelions, as we all know, are fairly nutritious plants and
phenomenally useful. If anyone has tried dandelion root coffee, we
know there's more calcium in the root of a dandelion than there is in
the average equivalent amount of milk and more beta carotene than in a
carrot, etc. It's a very nutritious plant. We tried to take that off
the city bylaw list last year, unsuccessfully.

The one thing we did achieve in Calgary last year, having many
thousands of people sign a petition directed at these issues, was to
implement an education program in Calgary. So right now the City of
Calgary is working with the Sierra Club and many other environment
groups to try to educate or sensitize Calgarians to the dangers of
cosmetic pesticide use and the safer alternatives. That's where the
issue stands in our city right now.

I have to say—I'm in my last thirty seconds, I'm guessing—that Health
Canada, we feel, is moving forward on this issue at the lightning
speed of a glacier. We're a bit concerned, because when we come up
against city council or city administration on this issue, time and
again we're told that until Health Canada takes these products off the
market—and I'm talking about the herbicides 2,4-D, dicamba, mecoprop,
and the insecticides, like chloropyrophos, which, again, I guess we
all looked at quite extensively last year—or deregisters them, the
City of Calgary considers them very safe.

So I'm here today because if we don't work at a federal level on this
issue and if we don't go with some of the recommendations on this
report, which is excellent and really does cover the issues
thoroughly, I don't think we're going to get as far as we would like
as fast as we would like. This is an issue of some urgency right now,
if we're looking at clean water and clean air in our country over the
next few years and the well-being of our children and future
generations.

So my last statement would be that pesticides, if used at all, should
be used as a last resort. We should be looking at them in that light
from a cosmetic perspective at all times.

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I realize that in the near future we're going to be dealing with West
Nile disease and the mosquito issue, and I would hope that the good
sense of this report will prevail and we will be looking at some
reasonable and safer alternatives to manage this and some of the other
issues that are going to come at us in the next few years.

Thank you very much.

The Chair: Thank you, Ms. Wright.

The purpose, of course, of what is taking place this afternoon here on
the Hill is to urge the Minister of Health to introduce a bill in the
House for first and second reading that would amend the current Pest
Control Act, which is now over 30 years old. Therefore, your
observations about the impressive speed of that department are taken
particularly to heart.

The only member at this table who comes from Alberta is Mr. Mills, and
perhaps he has lines of communication with Calgary city council to be
of assistance to you—who knows? You may want to have a chat with him
later.

The next speaker is the World Wildlife Fund, Julia Langer, the
director of international programs. Welcome to Canada.

Ms. Julia Langer (Director, International Programs, World Wildlife
Fund Canada): Thank you, Mr. Caccia. I'm grateful for the opportunity
to address this committee again, and I congratulate you once again on
the work you've done in looking at this whole issue in a comprehensive
way and for the events hosted today to raise broader awareness beyond
the walls of this committee. I think people were coming to be
informed, and one hopes they were converted.

We've had some extensive, substantive discussions at this committee in
the past with the members around the table, and what I hope I can do
today is have a very low-key, polite temper tantrum about what isn't
happening—the reference to the glacial speed is totally appropriate.
Your committee's report stands on its own in respect of content,
recommendations, etc. The minister responsible, Mr. Rock, has promised
and promised, and we hear that there is an intention. But from what
we're seeing, there are a couple of barriers that perhaps this
committee, beyond the substantive aspects you've already detailed, can
help with in a very targeted way.

One seems to be that there isn't funding to go in tandem with
legislation. Recognizing the need for some fiscal responsibility and
not putting forward legislation without the commensurate financial
means to implement it is logical, but it's a bit of a chicken-and-egg
situation. We would urge all of you to try to get the bill over that
hump somehow, so that it's not waiting and waiting forever. We don't
have a budget now—are we waiting for a budget, are we waiting for an
economic statement? What are we waiting for in the matter of tabling
legislation? I urge all of you to put your oar in specifically on that
matter, so that we can actually get a bill tabled and up for
parliamentary debate.

I think the second has to do with the knee-jerk reaction about who
will be opposed to this. You heard extensive deputations from the
various players involved, and there are some people around this table
who, along with me, have sat on a committee advising the Minister of
Health about the legislation, whether to proceed, and all the
stakeholders have actually indicated that there is a need for
amendment—sometimes for different reasons, but we all agree there's a
need for amendment.

I think the competitiveness issue is coming faster and stronger than
ever before. Even if you don't do it on an environmental or health
protection rationale, which I think you should, there is a very strong
economic rationale. The farm community is talking about needing access
to alternative products, lower-risk materials, methodologies for
growing food differently, and that applies to the herb and the
industrial context as well. We can't let that stand as a barrier. It
isn't a barrier. There are lots of very good reasons. You're not going
to have a huge conflict situation on your hands in Parliament or at
other committees, such as the health committee.

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One of the things we're doing—and I would invite you to go down to Mr.
Caccia's event in room 200—to demonstrate that in fact we are on the
same page with some of the farm organizations is working with apple
growers in Ontario, and this is one of the products of that effort.
We're actually implementing pesticide-reduction initiatives that
demonstrate this is possible. A piece of legislation is not the
answer. It's a piece of the answer and a piece of the puzzle.

I would also urge you to look at some of the proposals that the Green
Budget Coalition has put forward. I spoke to the finance committee
this morning and emphasized the sustainable agriculture fund proposal,
which would provide incentives, programs, and assistance. All of this
adds up to something that will help Canada reduce reliance, a goal I
think everybody shares.

It really is a bit frustrating, I'm sure, for the committee as well to
have done all of this intellectual work and have it sort of
floundering for a champion. So I hope you'll all be champions and that
Mr. Rock will follow through with his promise to introduce this. And
please do call on the World Wildlife Fund for any assistance we can
provide.

The Chair: You've come up with a very good slogan: reduce reliance.
We'll keep that in mind. Thank you.

We've gone from Calgary to Toronto. Now, how about New Brunswick and
the Conservation Council. I invite you to take the floor, Ms. Daborn.

Ms. Lia Daborn (Executive Director, Conservation Council of New
Brunswick): Thank you very much.

Good afternoon. My name is Lia Daborn, and I am the executive director
of the Conservation Council of New Brunswick, which is a non-profit
organization. I would like to thank you for the opportunity to talk to
you today about the work we've done on pesticides and also the
reaction we've seen to the report you put out last year.

I'll focus specifically on two of our projects. The first one is
agriculture. I go along with a lot of what Julia Langer says. We have
a sustainable agriculture project. We've worked a lot with farmers to
address the idea of changing agricultural practices from chemical
intensive to those that are less chemical intensive, including organic
farming. We've learned that simply asking farmers to grow organic is
not enough. There has to be some form of infrastructure, such as
funding and support, to help the farmers in the process. You can look
at examples from Europe where there has been a type of income
insurance over a period of three years to ensure that farmers can
slowly move over to organic agriculture without risking the family
farm, as it were. We feel this would be truly effective in New
Brunswick and across Canada, but it must be instituted over a long
term and with secure funding.

Through our work educating farm families about endocrine disruption,
we've discovered a desire for more information and education about
health impacts. When we talked to farm families, we found that they
didn't know about the health risks related to the pesticides their
families were using and the ones they were exposed to on a daily
basis. This information has to be more than just what is printed on a
pesticide label, although that also is absolutely desirable. We need
to know all of the components that are in those pesticides, and right
now the inerts are not listed.

The families—brothers, sisters, wives, and children—need to know how
to reduce their risk of exposure. In New Brunswick, for example, we
found that not everybody actually follows the instructions on the
labels. Although one person is supposed to have a permit to buy the
pesticide, to make the application, one person will go buy it and
somebody else will spray it, and they are not the ones who are
actually legally allowed to do it. I think this is probably pretty
common across Canada, although you might not be able to have anybody
actually tell you that.

We also found out that when the farmers were applying to get their
permits, they were required to take a course and write an exam. They
brought the homework home, and their wives did the homework for them.
They then went in and wrote the exam whether or not they knew what
they were doing. They hadn't done the homework, so they weren't fully
up to speed on all of the procedures they should be following.

Also when we talked to farm families we discovered a range of health
concerns, and a lot of questions arose about statistics and health
issues and how healthy the farm population is. I think the example of
the Ontario farm family health study is excellent. We would like to
see something like that expanded into New Brunswick and all across
Canada.

There were studies in the 1970s and 1980s looking at the farm
population in New Brunswick, and they discovered that we have higher
rates of spina bifida and neural tube defects than anywhere else in
Canada. But we don't have any up-to-date figures. We have nothing from
the 1990s and nothing about what's going on right now, so we don't
really know if those trends are continuing and if they're getting
worse or better. There's a lot of concern in the agricultural
population because they know pesticides cause cancer. But they don't
know if they're getting cancer from the pesticides or from something
else in the environment, and they really want to know that.

• 1555

One the reasons we had done this work originally was because of the
potato belt, a highly agricultural area where potatoes are grown in
New Brunswick, from Edmundston to Grand Falls. Certain fungicides that
are used for potato blight in the region have been identified as
endocrine disrupters. So we recommended out of that study that there
is a need to focus on child development particularly in that area of
the province.

Finally, in terms of agriculture but absolutely applicable in other
senses, there need to be cost-effective alternatives to the pesticides
that are available now. We heard this from the farmers and from the
average citizens, but in agriculture it is of paramount importance.

I focused on agriculture first because it was addressed in the
standing committee's report. But we haven't seen a really tangible
response from the federal government, and I think this is very
important. This aspect of the pesticide issue cannot be ignored. The
Conservation Council would certainly be willing to come and talk to
you further about the work we have done in this area and the work that
is being done by other people in this area as well.

Our other area of concern, of course, is that of cosmetic pesticides.
I would like to congratulate the standing committee for the work you
did on your report of May 2000. It has served as an excellent resource
for those of us who are active in the public arena and something we
have been able to hand out to municipal leaders and the general public
and explain to them that this is the research that is available.

I'm here today as a representative of the New Brunswick Pesticides
Coalition, which came together over the last year. It is a group of
health and environmental organizations in New Brunswick.

We developed a resolution asking our provincial minister of
environment to restrict the supply, sale, and use of pesticides for
cosmetic purposes in New Brunswick under the power she actually has in
the New Brunswick Pesticides Control Act. We circulated this
resolution and got the support of over 275,000 New Brunswickers. So we
have about a third of the population supporting a ban on the use of
cosmetic pesticides, and I think that should indicate to you that
there is a real groundswell of support and a lot of people interested
in seeing this go further. For us in New Brunswick, of course, that's
no small potatoes. Our minister is reluctant and is waiting for
direction from the federal government. We do support the idea proposed
by the standing committee that the new pesticides act prohibit the
registration and reregistration of pesticides for cosmetic purposes.

With the Hudson ruling by the Supreme Court, many communities in New
Brunswick and across Canada are considering bylaws to limit
application of pesticides. Although this is a great step, it's going
to result in a patchwork quilt of bylaw application across Canada. We
have been told by lawn care companies that as long as the chemicals
are available, they're going to use them. In fact, we've been told
that if they're forced through regulation to change their practices,
they'll do so, but while these chemicals are still available and
they're still allowed to use them, they will go on doing so, because
it's easy. I think that's something you might want to consider from a
federal standpoint. But they have also told us that they want to have
a level playing field. They don't want to be able to use one chemical
in one community and not in another, because that doesn't make
business sense for them.

The Chair: I assume that was your last remark.

Ms. Lia Daborn: Yes. Thank you.

The Chair: Thank you, Ms. Daborn.

Is Lori Stahlbrand in the room? If not, we'll go to the Canadian
Association of Physicians for the Environment, Dr. Kapil Khatter.

Dr. Kapil Khatter (Canadian Association of Physicians for the
Environment): Thank you very much. I'm Kapil Khatter. I'm with the
Canadian Association of Physicians for the Environment. I also would
like to thank the committee for the excellent report you have put out
in terms of looking at the Pest Management Regulatory Agency and what
you propose for new legislation.

Although I'd love to spend hours talking about the PMRA, I'm going to
just briefly get into some technical aspects of what we'd like to see
in the legislation, what we think is really good about the report, and
what we think is important. First, the intent of the legislation is
extremely important. The legislation can't be about managing
pesticides in a way that doesn't harm the economy but needs to
enshrine the precautionary principle and be intended to move us toward
sustainable agriculture.

Looking at how pesticides are assessed in terms of the assessment of
risk for both registrations and re-evaluations, we think the PMRA
needs to move their risk assessment up to present standards. The risk
assessments need to be based on the most vulnerable population.

• 1600

We need to use aggregate exposure, meaning that when we know that the
mode of action of pesticides is similar, or when we know that the
pesticides or other chemicals are often used in combination, or when
we know there is some sort of additive effect or synergistic effect
between them, those chemicals need to be looked at in combination and
not just individually. And we need to follow the American lead through
the Food Quality Protection Act and add in the extra tenfold safety
factor that has been put in to protect children. If we use an updated
risk assessment like that, any pesticide that shows significant risk
of harm needs to be banned or restricted.

Where does the precautionary principle fit in that? When we're
considering pesticides where there is a risk of harm, where there are
threats of harm, but they're not thought significant or we're not sure
enough, then we need to look at the precautionary principle, and that
needs to be a democratic decision involving the public to determine
when to use the precautionary principle. We believe the precautionary
principle should especially be used when there are other alternatives
that are considered likely to be safer and when the benefit to society
of a product is considered insignificant. On this basis we also
support your call for a ban on cosmetic uses for pesticides, based on
the precautionary principle.

We strongly support your recommendation for legislated time lines for
re-evaluations. PMRA has been dragging its feet on the re-evaluations
and telling us that they're in the process, but we agree that all
pesticides that were registered more than five years ago need to have
a legislative time line for re-evaluation, five or seven years from
now, similar to the domestic substance list time lines under the
Canadian Environmental Protection Act.

We also commend the committee's recommendation for an electronic
registry. The important point with the electronic registry is how
complete it is, that all documents submitted for registration need to
be made public, and that confidential business information is narrowly
and explicitly defined in the legislation, not left up to
interpretation by the agency.

Finally, we think it's important that meaningful public participation
be part of all registrations and re-evaluations, and that meaningful
participation needs to go past the stakeholder approach that's being
used and recognize who in the process has direct financial interest
and who doesn't.

Thank you.

The Chair: Thank you very much. That was very concise and very
comprehensive. If you have the time to let us have a broader summary
of your intervention, particularly on the last point, it would be
quite helpful.
 
 
 
 

 
 
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Board Governance


The Chair is responsible for administering the Insurance Act as it relates to the Board and for the overall performance and management of the Board. The Chair is also the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the Board; therefore, the daily operation of the Board is under the leadership of the CEO.

Board members have the powers and privileges of a commissioner under the Inquiries Act and the Regulations under that Act. The Board may make rules governing its procedures and has full jurisdiction to investigate, hear and determine all matters on automobile insurance rate regulation, whether of law or fact.

The Board, when directed by the Chair to sit for any particular purpose or situation, may act as a full Board or as a panel of at least three members of the Board. Generally, the Board reviews rate applications as a panel and considers generic issues as a full Board.

Board Members


Established by government in 2004, the role of the New Brunswick Insurance Board (NBIB) is to regulate auto insurance rates for all companies doing business in NB.

Although the Board was created by government, it was established to be an independent body, operating as an administrative tribunal, separate from government. The Board’s activities are reported through a separately published annual report and the Board appears before the Legislature’s Standing Committee on Crown Corporations to answer any questions that MLAs may have.

The Board consists of a Chair, Vice-Chair and 8-10 members. The membership of the Board consists of a cross-section of New Brunswick citizens from various regions of the province and with a wide ranging variety of backgrounds. Board members, including the Vice-Chair are appointed for three-year terms and can be reappointed. The Chair is appointed to a non-renewable ten-year term.

Marie-Claude Doucet, Dieppe

Chair

Marie-Claude Doucet was appointed as Chair of the New Brunswick Insurance Board in October 2016. She completed a Bachelor of Psychology degree from the Université de Moncton followed by her law degree from the same university. She subsequently earned a Master of Business Administration degree from Saint Mary’s University before being admitted to the New Brunswick Bar in 2008.

Prior to her appointment to the Board, Ms. Doucet practiced law with Bossé Viola LeBlanc, where she focused her practice in civil litigation, specifically in insurance law.

Ms. Doucet is a member of multiple associations, including the Law Society of New Brunswick, the Canadian Bar Association, the Moncton Area Lawyers Association, the Association des juristes d’expression française du Nouveau-Brunswick, the Foundation of Administrative Justice and the Council of Canadian Administrative Tribunals. Ms. Doucet is also a Member of the Board of Directors for the Canadian Automobile Insurance Rate Regulators Association.

Marven Grant, Fredericton

Vice-Chair

Marven Grant was appointed as Vice Chair of the New Brunswick Insurance Board in October 2019. He is a graduate of Dalhousie University with a Certificate in Municipal Administration and completed a leadership training program at the University of New Brunswick. His career spanned 40 years with the City of Fredericton and retired in 2010 as Director of Finance/City Treasurer. He served as a member of the school board, York Foundation, and currently Vice Chair of the City of Fredericton Shared Risk Pension Plan. He is a Toastmaster.

He is married to Cheryl and has (3) adult children and (1) granddaughter.

Life motto: A steadfast adherence to moral and ethical principles and values.

Mr. Grant has served on the New Brunswick Insurance Board since 2019 and had also served as a Board member from 2013 to 2016.

Ferne Ashford, Fredericton

Ferne Ashford graduated with a Bachelor of Arts with an Honours in History from St. Thomas University in 1994 and an LL. B. from the University of New Brunswick in 1997.

Ms. Ashford is the owner/operator of Ashford Law and Dispute Resolution located in Fredericton, New Brunswick. She has been practicing law for over 25 years in the areas of family law, real estate, and wills and estates. On November 29th, 2021, Ms. Ashford received her designation as King's Counsel, an honorary designation given to lawyers who have demonstrated outstanding practice, shown integrity and leadership, and made contributions to excellence in the profession. She has been a volunteer in the legal community throughout her career and is currently the Chairperson of the Lawyers Assistance Program Committee, a Member of the Law Society of New Brunswick, and the Canadian Bar Association.

Ms. Ashford has served on the New Brunswick Insurance Board since 2019 and had also served as a Board member from 2006 to 2016.

Carol Dixon, Quispamsis

Carol Dixon is a Chartered Professional Accountant (CPA). She achieved a Bachelor of Business Administration from the University of New Brunswick (UNB) and subsequently completed her Certified Management Accountant designation and a Bachelor of Arts in Psychology from UNB.

Ms. Dixon worked in the private sector as Controller/Financial Manager of various companies in Saint John before taking a position with the Provincial Government in Fredericton to work in various areas of Economic Development.

Ms. Dixon is a member of the Chartered Professional Accountants of New Brunswick, UNB Alumni, and continues to do contract work in financial accounting. She is also the Atlantic Education International Homestay coordinator for Rothesay High School, a former member of the New Brunswick Forest Products Commission, UNB Alumnae Board member, Toastmasters Area Governor, Big Brothers Big Sisters of Fredericton Board member, Homestay parent, a member of the Saint John Board of Trade, and has held many other volunteer positions.

Hobbies that she enjoys with her husband, John, include photography, travel, painting, pets and doing ATV trails.

Ms. Dixon has served on the New Brunswick Insurance Board since 2022.

Cyril Johnston, Moncton

Cyril Johnston graduated from Dalhousie Law School in 1986. He practiced law in New Brunswick with an emphasis in insurance law until 2007, when he was appointed Vice-Chair of the New Brunswick Energy and Utilities Board, a post he held until 2015.

Mr. Johnston is active in theatre, both as an actor and producer, and is the founder and President of Roundhouse Productions. He is an avid salmon fisherman and a member of the Board of Directors of the Atlantic Salmon Federation.

Mr. Johnston has served on the New Brunswick Insurance Board since 2020.

Francine Kanhai, Saint-André

Francine Kanhai has been a co-owner of Francine's Quick Mart and Cachet Bar & Café, two thriving businesses in Saint-André, since 1989. Mrs. Kanhai has a diploma in Legal Studies and worked as an Administrative Assistant for an insurance company in Toronto before becoming a business owner. In 1989, she and her husband returned to Francine's hometown and purchased their business.

Mrs. Kanhai is a dedicated volunteer for various organizations. She served as a director on the Grand Falls Chamber of Commerce and is currently a Board Member of the CBDC Victoria Madawaska South. She is also a member of the Women in Business Network Association.

She enjoys travelling and golfing in her leisure time.

Mrs. Kanhai has served on the New Brunswick Insurance Board since 2022 and had also served previous terms from 2007 to 2014 and 2015 to 2021.

Georges Leger, Shediac

Over his career of almost 40 years in the Property and Casualty Industry, Georges Leger held various positions in marketing, underwriting and management for both insurers and brokers. Mr. Leger completed numerous underwriting, sales, and management courses, covering many topics, such as risk assessment, loss technology, sales negotiation, management skills, performance appraisal and HR. He also has received the following designations from the Insurance Institute of Canada: Associate Insurance Institute of Canada (AIIC) and Chartered Insurance Professional (CIP). Mr. Leger has been involved in many professional and voluntary organizations through the years. A lifelong resident of Shediac, he is currently serving as President of La Coopérative de Shediac Ltée.

Mr. Leger has served on the New Brunswick Insurance Board since 2019 and had also served as a Board member from 2010 to 2017.

Brigitte M. Ouellette, Grand Falls

Brigitte Ouellette completed her B.A. in Administration before achieving her law degree from the Université de Moncton in 2005. She was admitted to the Law Society of New Brunswick Bar in 2006, after which she opened her private law practice in Grand Falls, her hometown. Ms. Ouellette focuses on various law areas, including real estate.

Ms. Ouellette lives in Grand Falls with her husband, Claude.

Ms. Ouellette has served on the New Brunswick Insurance Board since 2020.

Gerry Peters, Fredericton

Gerry Peters is a senior partner in Peters & Associates Ltd., a boutique management consulting firm based in Fredericton. In addition to undergraduate degrees in Economics and Business, Mr. Peters has an MBA in Finance and is a Chartered Professional Accountant (CPA).

As a management consultant for more than 20 years, he has facilitated numerous strategic, business and financial plans for both the for-profit and the not-for-profit sectors. Currently, he is one of two people in New Brunswick who is qualified to provide services under the Federal Government’s Farm Debt Mediation Service (FDMS) program.

Recreationally, he enjoys boating, hiking, and competitive running. Just before Covid-19 set in, Gerry and his wife, Debbie, completed a three-day hike to the bottom of the Grand Canyon and back.

Mr. Peters has served on the New Brunswick Insurance Board since 2023.

Heather Stephen, Saint John

Heather Stephen is a graduate of the University of New Brunswick, Saint John campus, with a Bachelor's degree in Business Administration. Mrs. Stephen has held various positions in the Insurance and Financial Services industry through her career, spending time working in Saint John, New Brunswick, Toronto and London, Ontario. Her background is in training and development of employees, coaching and management, and overall Operations Management. Mrs. Stephen currently works in Office Administration in the Real Estate industry.

Mrs. Stephen is actively involved with the Parent School Support Committees at her childrens' school, as well as volunteering her time with numerous other sports and community organizations.

Mrs. Stephen enjoys reading, sketching, painting, hiking, and travelling. She resides in Saint John with her husband, Jason, their two children, and their miniature goldendoodle.

Mrs. Stephen has served on the New Brunswick Insurance Board since 2013.

Elizabeth Turgeon, Fredericton

Elizabeth Turgeon has both Business Administration and Law degrees from the University of New Brunswick. She is retired from the New Brunswick Law Society, after being a member for over 30 years. During that time, she worked for Maritime Law Book Co., a Fredericton law book publishing company, finishing her time there as managing co-editor.

Ms. Turgeon also has alternate dispute resolution training, having completed a Practitioners’ Certificate in Alternative Dispute Resolution from the University of Prince Edward Island in 2014 and a Third Party Neutral Certificate in mediation and facilitation from UNB in 2012. She acted as a Small Claims Adjudicator for the New Brunswick Department of Justice from 2012 to 2017.

Ms. Turgeon resides in Fredericton with her husband, James. She has three adult children and seven grandchildren, who also reside in Fredericton. She is very interested in New Brunswick being an affordable place to live and raise families.

Ms. Turgeon has served on the New Brunswick Insurance Board since Oct 2016.

 
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Kelly FerrisExecutive Advisor and Secretary to the Board
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Tracy CyrRate Analyst

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----- Forwarded Message -----
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
To:"jpleblanc@bosseviolaleblanc.com"<jpleblanc@bosseviolaleblanc.com>; "sviola@bosseviolaleblanc.com"<sviola@bosseviolaleblanc.com>
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 03:03:32 PM ADT
Subject: I just called and left a voicemail

Stéphane Viola
506-383-5807

Jean-Pierre G. LeBlanc
506-383-5480


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 13:31:44 -0400
Subject: RE My call abut the crooked Insurance/banking Industry, Brad
Woodside and my stolen Harley
To: kevin.duff@nbib-canb.org, "Frank.McKenna"<Frank.McKenna@td.com>,
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>, David.Eidt@gnb.ca,
fin.minfinance-financemin.fin@canada.ca, "wayne.easter"


On 11/8/17, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Eidt, David (OAG/CPG)"<David.Eidt@gnb.ca>
> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 15:50:03 +0000
> Subject: Automatic reply: My missing 1965 Harley, the Yankee wiretaps
> tapes in its saddlebag and just exactly who the Hell has jurisdiction
> over them and Mean Old Me. Survey Says?
> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "MinFinance / FinanceMin (FIN)"
> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 15:49:53 +0000
> Subject: RE: My missing 1965 Harley, the Yankee wiretaps tapes in its
> saddlebag and just exactly who the Hell has jurisdiction over them and
> Mean Old Me. Survey Says?
> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>
> The Department of Finance acknowledges receipt of your electronic
> correspondence. Please be assured that we appreciate receiving your
> comments.
>
> Le ministère des Finances accuse réception de votre correspondance
> électronique. Soyez assuré(e) que nous apprécions recevoir vos
> commentaires.
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:16:12 -0300
> Subject: Interesting trick that your friends in Nova Scotia pulled on
> mean old me yesterday EH Claude Poirier?
> To: langilgj@gov.ns.ca, sulliva@gov.ns.ca, snsmrmin@gov.ns.ca,
> min_immigration@gov.ns.ca, ramonajennexmla@bellaliant.com,
> Donald.Bastarache@snb.ca, bill.morrison@snb.ca,
> Sylvie.Levesque-Finn@snb.ca, Derek.Pleadwell@snb.ca, "Bonnar, Greg
> (DPS/MSP)"<Greg.Bonnar@gnb.ca>, "bill.corby@gnb.ca"
> <bill.corby@gnb.ca>, "danny.copp@fredericton.ca"
> <danny.copp@fredericton.ca>, "warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca"
> <warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, vanlop1@parl.gc.ca, "John. Foran"
> "roger. gillies"<Roger.Gillies@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "bert. hudon"
> <bert.hudon@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, alltrue@nl.rogers.com,
> deanr0032@hotmail.com, claude.poirier@snb.ca, robin reid
> <zorroboy2009@hotmail.com>, "oldmaison@yahoo.com"
> "wally.stiles@gnb.ca"<wally.stiles@gnb.ca>, nbpolitico@gmail.com,
> rmoir@unbsj.ca, "moore.r@parl.gc.ca"<moore.r@parl.gc.ca>,
> "bruce.northrup@gnb.ca"<bruce.northrup@gnb.ca>
> Cc: "ddexter@ns.sympatico.ca"<ddexter@ns.sympatico.ca>, "shawn.
> graham"<shawn.graham@gnb.ca>, "David.ALWARD@gnb.ca"
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:40:11 -0300
> Subject: Your boss Sylvie Levesque-Finn can never say that she didn't
> know now EH Claude Poirier?
> To: lloyd.mackenzie@snb.ca, Donald.Bastarache@snb.ca,
> bill.morrison@snb.ca, Sylvie.Levesque-Finn@snb.ca,
> Derek.Pleadwell@snb.ca, "Bonnar, Greg (DPS/MSP)"<Greg.Bonnar@gnb.ca>,
> "bill.corby@gnb.ca"<bill.corby@gnb.ca>, "danny.copp@fredericton.ca"
> <danny.copp@fredericton.ca>, "warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca"
> Foran"<John.Foran@gnb.ca>, "Gilles. Blinn"
> <Gilles.Blinn@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "roger. gillies"
> <Roger.Gillies@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "bert. hudon"
> Ray <deanr0032@hotmail.com>, claude.poirier@snb.ca, robin reid
> Cc: "oldmaison@yahoo.com"<oldmaison@yahoo.com>, Dan Fitzgerald
> <danf@danf.net>, gypsy-blog <gypsy-blog@hotmail.com>, "nb. premier"
> <nb.premier@gmail.com>, "wally.stiles@gnb.ca"<wally.stiles@gnb.ca>,
> nbpolitico <nbpolitico@gmail.com>, rmoir <rmoir@unbsj.ca>,
> "moore.r@parl.gc.ca"<moore.r@parl.gc.ca>, "bruce.northrup@gnb.ca"
>
> From: "Levesque-Finn, Sylvie (SNB)"<Sylvie.Levesque-Finn@snb.ca>
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:37:13 -0300
> Subject: Out of Office: RE Telephone Conversation re: 1965
> Harley-Davidson Motorcycle,  the RCMP and an interesting challenge
> from the lawyer Claude Poirier EH?
> To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
>
> Je serai absente du bureau jusqu'au 3 août. Je vais répondre à votre
> courriel, si nécessaire, à mon retour. Pour de l'assistance immédiate,
> veuillez communiquer avec Stéphanie Guignard au 444-2897. Merci
>
> I will be away from the office until August 3rd. I will reply to your
> e-mail, if required, upon my return. For immediate attention, please
> contact Stéphanie Guignard at 444-2897. Thank you.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MacKenzie, Lloyd (SNB)
> Cc: Bastarache, Donald J.(SNB) ; Morrison, Bill (SNB) ; Levesque-Finn,
> Sylvie (SNB) ; Pleadwell, Derek (SNB)
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 2:01 PM
> Subject: Telephone Conversation re: 1965 Harley-Davidson Motorcycle
>
> Mr. Amos:
>
>            Upon your request I will inform Mr. Derek Pleadwell[(506)
> 444-2897], Chairperson SNB Board of Directors, of our extended
> conversation regarding the issues surrounding the 1965 Harley-Davidson
> motorcycle when he visits my office at approximately 3:30 P.M. today.
>
>            Also, as requested, I’ve copied in Ms. Sylvie
> Levesque-Finn[(506) 453-3879], SNB President.
>
> Lloyd D. MacKenzie, AACI, P. App, CAE
> Regional Manager of Assessment - Beauséjour Region/Responsable
> régional de l'évaluation - region Beauséjour
> Assessment/ de l'évaluation
> Service New Brunswick/ Service Nouveau-Brunswick
> 633 rue Main St. 4th floor/4ième étage
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 13:09:35 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Attn Gib van Ert and Barbara Kincaid RE:My
email to you in November, my calls to your office snce and the strange
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 13:06:20 -0400
Subject: RE My calls AGAIN today about WAR, MURDER, MONEY, TAXATION
and George Soros and Iggy versus Sebastian Kurz and Viktor Orbán etc
To: informacio.was@mfa.gov.hu, washington.field@ic.fbi.gov,
mission.ott@mfa.gov.hu, "Liliana.Longo"
<Liliana.Longo@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, Brenda.Lucki@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
"hon.ralph.goodale"<hon.ralph.goodale@canada.ca>, "Frank.McKenna"
postur <postur@for.is>, rmellish <rmellish@cbcl.ca>, "jan.jensen"
<jan.jensen@justice.gc.ca>, "Nathalie.Drouin"


Paul Rochon Deputy Minister:
Finance Canada
90 Elgin St.
Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0G5
Phone: 613-369-4434

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "MinFinance / FinanceMin (FIN)"<fin.minfinance-financemin.fin@canada.ca>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 18:55:47 +0000
Subject: RE: RE My calls today about George Soros versus Sebastian
Kurz and Viktor Orbán
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>

The Department of Finance acknowledges receipt of your electronic
correspondence. Please be assured that we appreciate receiving your
comments.

Le ministère des Finances accuse réception de votre correspondance
électronique. Soyez assuré(e) que nous apprécions recevoir vos
commentaires.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Póstur FOR <postur@for.is>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 18:56:26 +0000
Subject: Re: RE My calls today about George Soros versus Sebastian
Kurz and Viktor Orbán
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>

Erindi þitt hefur verið móttekið  / Your request has been received

Kveðja / Best regards
Forsætisráðuneytið  / Prime Minister's Office

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 15:11:34 -0400
Subject: Fwd: RE My calls today about George Soros versus Sebastian
Kurz and Viktor Orbán

Address not found
Your message wasn't delivered to Was.missions@kum.hu because the
address couldn't be found, or is unable to receive mail.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 15:05:51 -0400
Subject: Fwd: RE My calls today about George Soros versus Sebastian
Kurz and Viktor Orbán
To: Was.missions@kum.hu, washington field <washington.field@ic.fbi.gov>
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>, djtjr


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 14:54:06 -0400
Subject: RE My calls today about George Soros versus Sebastian Kurz
and Viktor Orbán
To: "mission.ott"<mission.ott@mfa.gov.hu>, ottawa-ob@bmeia.gv.at,
austrianconsulatehfx@breakhouse.ca, miniszterelnok@mk.gov.hu,
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>, "George.Soros"
postur <postur@for.is>, "Bill.Morneau"<Bill.Morneau@canada.ca>,
"bill.pentney"<bill.pentney@justice.gc.ca>, rmellish


Sebastian Kurz
‏Verified account @sebastiankurz
6 hours ago

Konnte mich heute erstmals mit der  Personalvertretung im
Bundeskanzleramt treffen. Danke für den guten Austausch - freue mich
sehr auf die Zusammenarbeit!
Translated from German by Bing

Could meet today for the first time with the staff in the Chancellor's
Office. Thank you for sharing good - look forward to cooperation!
2 replies 2 retweets 15 likes




David Raymond Amos
‏ @DavidRayAmos 5 hours ago
Replying to @sebastiankurz

Did anyone mention my name yet?

David Raymond Amos
‏ @DavidRayAmos 8 hours ago
Replying to @sebastiankurz

I just called your Foreign Minister's Office +43 50 11 50 0 to offer
my assistance & his staff refused to listen Perhaps somebody under you
or Viktor Orban should call back 902 800 0369 so I can explain
@realDonaldTrump #FBI & missing hearing records ASAP




Federal Ministry for Europe, Integration and Foreign Affairs

Minoritenplatz 8, 1010 Vienna

Tel. +43 (0) 50 11 50 - 0


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Ügyfélszolgálat (BM)"<ugyfelszolgalat@bm.gov.hu>
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 13:06:36 +0000
Subject: Valasz
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>

Tisztelt Feladó!

Tájékoztatjuk, hogy elektronikus levelét fogadta a Belügyminisztérium
levelezőrendszere, megérkezett az
ugyfelszolgalat@bm.gov.hu<mailto:ugyfelszolgalat@bm.gov.hu> címre.
A jogszabályban meghatározott időn belül válaszolunk levelére, illetve
továbbítjuk a címzett személynek vagy hivatali szervezetnek.
Kérjük szíves türelmét a válasz megérkezéséig.

Ez egy automatikus üzenet, kérjük, ne válaszoljon rá!


BM Ügyfélszolgálat

________________________________

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Viktor Orbán Prime Minister
Postal address: 1357 Budapest, Pf. 6.
Website: www.orbanviktor.hu


Antal Rogán
Head of Cabinet of the Prime Minister
Postal address: 1357 Budapest, Pf. 1.
Phone: +36 1 896 1747
Fax: +36 1 795 0893
E-mail: mk@mk.gov.hu


Ambassador Dr. Bálint Ódor
Phone +1 (613) 230-2717
Trade and Investment +1 (613) 230-2717/210


Hungary Washington DC Embassy.
Address: 3910 Shoemaker Street, N.W..
Washington ,DC 20008.
Phone: 1-202--362-6730

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:24:08 -0400
Subject: Fwd: ATTN Péter Szijjártó RE Trump and George Soros et al I have
been trying to talk to people working for Hungarian Prime Minister for years
To: sajto@keh.hu, sonja.wintersberger@unvienna.org, anne.thomas@unvienna.org



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "MinFinance / FinanceMin (FIN)"<fin.minfinance-financemin.fin@canada.ca>
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 12:09:13 +0000
Subject: RE: ATTN Péter Szijjártó RE Trump and George Soros et al I have
been trying to talk to people working for Hungarian Prime Minister for years
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>

The Department of Finance acknowledges receipt of your electronic
correspondence. Please be assured that we appreciate receiving your
comments.

Le ministère des Finances accuse réception de votre correspondance
électronique. Soyez assuré(e) que nous apprécions recevoir vos
commentaires.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Póstur FOR <postur@for.is>
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 12:10:40 +0000
Subject: Re: ATTN Péter Szijjártó RE Trump and George Soros et al I have
been trying to talk to people working for Hungarian Prime Minister for years
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>


Erindi þitt hefur verið móttekið  / Your request has been received

Kveðja / Best regards
Forsætisráðuneytið  / Prime Minister's Office


---------- Original  message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 08:07:54 -0400
Subject: ATTN Péter Szijjártó RE Trump and George Soros et al I have been
trying to talk to people working for Hungarian Prime Minister for years
To: intcomm@mk.gov.hu, "George.Soros"
"Diane.Lebouthillier"<Diane.Lebouthillier@cra-arc.gc.ca>,
"Diane.Lebouthillier"<Diane.Lebouthillier@parl.gc.ca>, RT-US
<RT-US@rttv.ru>, gopublic <gopublic@cbc.ca>, birgittaj
president <president@whitehouse.gov>, "boris.johnson.mp"

Whereas you were appointed to State Secretary for Foreign Affairs and
External Economic Relations of the Prime Minister’s Office.you above
all should understand why I have  an issue with Banksters since well
before George W Bush was first elected while Trump judged Beauty
Queens and managed marry one from your neck of the woods


Tuesday, 27 August 2013
Hungary Sheds Bankers' Shackles | By Ronald L. Ray

You are  also saying some very important things lately about politcs
and George Soros and Donald Trump

BREAKING : George Soros ARREST On The Table ? Hungarian Foreign Minister
TNTV Total News T.V
Published on Jan 30, 2017


HOWEVER SO AM I AND I DID CALL YOUR OFFICE TODAY FROM A POOR
CONNECTION AND WAS TOLD TO CALL THESE NUMBERS

36 1 458 1240
36 1 458 1844

PLEASE SCROLL DOWN OR CHECK YOUR TWITTER ACCOUNT AND MINE ASAP

Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade
Head office: 1027 Budapest, Bem rakpart 47.
Postal address: 1027 Budapest, Bem rakpart 47.
Phone: +36-1-458-1000
Fax: +36-1-212-5918
Péter Szijjártó, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade

Postal address: 1027 Budapest, Bem rakpart 47.
Phone: +36-1-458-1178, +36-1-458-1253
Fax: +36-1-375-3766

International Communications Office

Phone:
+36 1 896 1905


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "MinFinance / FinanceMin (FIN)"<fin.minfinance-financemin.fin@canada.ca>
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 08:45:26 +0000
Subject: RE: Yo Billy Morneau RE FATCA and NAFTA Perhaps you and your
friend Mikey Cohen or even big talking Sherry Peel Jackson should talk
to me before Trump and Trudeau upset the Mexicans even more EH?
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>

The Department of Finance acknowledges receipt of your electronic
correspondence. Please be assured that we appreciate receiving your
comments.

Le ministère des Finances accuse réception de votre correspondance
électronique. Soyez assuré(e) que nous apprécions recevoir vos
commentaires.


---------- Original message ----------
From: Michael Cohen <mcohen@trumporg.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:15:14 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: RE FATCA ATTN Pierre-Luc.Dusseault I just
called and left a message for you
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>

Effective January 20, 2017, I have accepted the role as personal
counsel to President Donald J. Trump. All future emails should be
directed to mdcohen212@gmail.com and all future calls should be
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>
> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: "MinFinance / FinanceMin (FIN)"
> Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 00:14:35 +000
> Subject: RE: Here ya go folks please enjoy the hearing today in
> Federal Court and the notes I read from as I argued the Queen's sneaky
> little minions who think they are above the law and the rest of us as well
> To: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>
> The Department of Finance acknowledges receipt of your electronic
> correspondence. Please be assured that we appreciate receiving your
> comments.
>
> Le ministère des Finances accuse réception de votre correspondance
> électronique. Soyez assuré(e) que nous apprécions recevoir vos
> commentaires.
>
>
>
> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: Póstur FOR postur@for.is
> Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 00:15:21 +0000
> Subject: Re: Here ya go folks please enjoy the hearing today in
> Federal Court and the notes I read from as I argued the Queen's sneaky
> little minions who think they are above the law and the rest of us as
> well
> To: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>
> Erindi þitt hefur verið móttekið  / Your request has been received
>
> Kveðja / Best regards
> Forsætisráðuneytið  / Prime Minister's Office
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:32:09 -0400
> Subject: Attn Integrity Commissioner Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
>
> Good Day Sir
>
> After I heard you speak on CBC I called your office again and managed
> to speak to one of your staff for the first time
>
> Please find attached the documents I promised to send to the lady who
> answered the phone this morning. Please notice that not after the Sgt
> at Arms took the documents destined to your office his pal Tanker
> Malley barred me in writing with an "English" only document.
>
> These are the hearings and the dockets in Federal Court that I
> suggested that you study closely.
>
> This is the docket in Federal Court
>
>
> These are digital recordings of  the last three hearings
>
>
>
> April 3rd, 2017
>
>
>
> This is the docket in the Federal Court of Appeal
>
>
>
> The only hearing thus far
>
> May 24th, 2017
>
>
>
> This Judge understnds the meaning of the word Integrity
>
> Date: 20151223
>
> Docket: T-1557-15
>
> Fredericton, New Brunswick, December 23, 2015
>
> PRESENT:        The Honourable Mr. Justice Bell
>
> BETWEEN:
>
> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
>
> Plaintiff
>
> and
>
> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
>
> Defendant
>
> ORDER
>
> (Delivered orally from the Bench in Fredericton, New Brunswick, on
> December 14, 2015)
>
> The Plaintiff seeks an appeal de novo, by way of motion pursuant to
> the Federal Courts Rules (SOR/98-106), from an Order made on November
> 12, 2015, in which Prothonotary Morneau struck the Statement of Claim
> in its entirety.
>
> At the outset of the hearing, the Plaintiff brought to my attention a
> letter dated September 10, 2004, which he sent to me, in my then
> capacity as Past President of the New Brunswick Branch of the Canadian
> Bar Association, and the then President of the Branch, Kathleen Quigg,
> (now a Justice of the New Brunswick Court of Appeal).  In that letter
> he stated:
>
> As for your past President, Mr. Bell, may I suggest that you check the
> work of Frank McKenna before I sue your entire law firm including you.
> You are your brother’s keeper.
>
> Frank McKenna is the former Premier of New Brunswick and a former
> colleague of mine at the law firm of McInnes Cooper. In addition to
> expressing an intention to sue me, the Plaintiff refers to a number of
> people in his Motion Record who he appears to contend may be witnesses
> or potential parties to be added. Those individuals who are known to
> me personally, include, but are not limited to the former Prime
> Minister of Canada, The Right Honourable Stephen Harper; former
> Attorney General of Canada and now a Justice of the Manitoba Court of
> Queen’s Bench, Vic Toews; former member of Parliament Rob Moore;
> former Director of Policing Services, the late Grant Garneau; former
> Chief of the Fredericton Police Force, Barry McKnight; former Staff
> Sergeant Danny Copp; my former colleagues on the New Brunswick Court
> of Appeal, Justices Bradley V. Green and Kathleen Quigg, and, retired
> Assistant Commissioner Wayne Lang of the Royal Canadian Mounted
> Police.
>
> In the circumstances, given the threat in 2004 to sue me in my
> personal capacity and my past and present relationship with many
> potential witnesses and/or potential parties to the litigation, I am
> of the view there would be a reasonable apprehension of bias should I
> hear this motion. See Justice de Grandpré’s dissenting judgment in
> Committee for Justice and Liberty et al v National Energy Board et al,
> [1978] 1 SCR 369 at p 394 for the applicable test regarding
> allegations of bias. In the circumstances, although neither party has
> requested I recuse myself, I consider it appropriate that I do so.
>
>
> AS A RESULT OF MY RECUSAL, THIS COURT ORDERS that the Administrator of
> the Court schedule another date for the hearing of the motion.  There
> is no order as to costs.
>
> “B. Richard Bell”
> Judge
>
>
> Below after the CBC article about your concerns (I made one comment
> already) you will find the text of just two of many emails I had sent
> to your office over the years since I first visited it in 2006.
>
>  I noticed that on July 30, 2009, he was appointed to the  the Court
> Martial Appeal Court of Canada  Perhaps you should scroll to the
> bottom of this email ASAP and read the entire Paragraph 83  of my
> lawsuit now before the Federal Court of Canada?
>
> "FYI This is the text of the lawsuit that should interest Trudeau the most
>
>
> 83 The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war
> in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to
> allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over
> five years after he began his bragging:
>
> January 13, 2015
> This Is Just AS Relevant Now As When I wrote It During The Debate
>
> December 8, 2014
> Why Canada Stood Tall!
>
> Friday, October 3, 2014
> Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And
> Stupid Justin Trudeau?
>
>
> Vertias Vincit
> David Raymond Amos
> 902 800 0369
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Kulik, John"<john.kulik@mcinnescooper.com>
> Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 17:37:49 +0000
> Subject: McInnes Cooper
> To: "motomaniac333@gmail.com"<motomaniac333@gmail.com>,
> "david.raymond.amos@gmail.com"<david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
>
> Dear Mr. Amos:
>
> I am General Counsel for McInnes Cooper. If you need to communicate
> with our firm, please do so through me.
>
> Thank you.
>
> John Kulik
> [McInnes Cooper]<http://www.mcinnescooper.com/>
>
> John Kulik Q.C.
> Partner & General Counsel
> McInnes Cooper
>
> tel +1 (902) 444 8571 | fax +1 (902) 425 6350
>
> 1969 Upper Water Street
> Suite 1300
> Purdy's Wharf Tower II Halifax, NS, B3J 2V1
>
> asst Cathy Ohlhausen | +1 (902) 455 8215
>
>
>
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> vous avez reçu ce courriel par erreur, veuillez en aviser l'expéditeur
> par courriel ou par téléphone, aux frais de McInnes Cooper.
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:35 AM
> Subject: RE My complaint against the CROWN in Federal Court Attn David
> Hansen and Peter MacKay If you planning to submit a motion for a
> publication ban on my complaint trust that you dudes are way past too late
> To: David.Hansen@justice.gc.ca, peter.mackay@justice.gc.ca
> peacock.kurt@telegraphjournal.com, mclaughlin.heather@dailygleaner.com,
> david.akin@sunmedia.ca, robert.frater@justice.gc.ca, paul.riley@ppsc-sppc.gc.ca,
> greg@gregdelbigio.com, joyce.dewitt-vanoosten@gov.bc.ca,
> joan.barrett@ontario.ca, jean-vincent.lacroix@gouv.qc.ca,
> peter.rogers@mcinnescooper.com, mfeder@mccarthy.ca, mjamal@osler.com
> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, gopublic@cbc.ca,
>
>
>
>
> I repeat what the Hell do I do with the Yankee wiretapes taps sell
> them on Ebay or listen to them and argue them with you dudes in
> Feferal Court?
>
> Petey Baby loses all parliamentary privelges in less than a month but
> he still supposed to be an ethical officer of the Court CORRECT?
>
> Veritas Vincit
> David Raymond Amos
> 902 800 0369
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:10:14 -0400
> Subject: Yo Mr Bauer say hey to your client Obama and his buddies in
> the USDOJ for me will ya?
> To: RBauer@perkinscoie.com, sshimshak@paulweiss.com,
> cspada@lswlaw.com, msmith@svlaw.com, bginsberg@pattonboggs.com,
> gregory.craig@skadden.com, pm@pm.gc.ca, bob.paulson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
> bob.rae@rogers.blackberry.net, MulcaT@parl.gc.ca,  leader@greenparty.ca
> Cc: alevine@cooley.com, david.raymond.amos@gmail.com,
> michael.rothfeld@wsj.com, remery@ecbalaw.com
>
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>
> Could ya tell I am investigating your pension plan bigtime? Its
> because no member of the RCMP I have ever encountered has earned it yet
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 11:36:04 -0400
> Subject: This is a brief as I can make my concerns Randy
>
> In a nutshell my concerns about the actions of the Investment Industry
> affect the interests of every person in every district of every
> country not just the USA and Canada. I was offering to help you with
> Emera because my work with them and Danny Williams is well known and
> some of it is over eight years old and in the PUBLIC Record.
>
> All you have to do is stand in the Legislature and ask the MInister of
> Justice why I have been invited to sue Newfoundland by the
> Conservatives
>
>
> Obviously I am the guy the USDOJ and the SEC would not name who is the
> link to Madoff and Putnam Investments
>
> Here is why
>
>
> Notice the transcripts and webcasts of the hearing of the US Senate
> Banking Commitee are still missing? Mr Emory should at least notice
> Eliot Spitzer and the Dates around November 20th, 2003 in the
> following file
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Hansen, David"David.Hansen@justice.gc.ca
> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 19:28:44 +0000
> Subject: RE: I just called again Mr Hansen
> To: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>
> Hello Mr. Amos,
>
> I manage the Justice Canada civil litigation section in the Atlantic
> region.  We are only responsible for litigating existing civil
> litigation files in which the Attorney General of Canada is a named
> defendant or plaintiff.  If you are a plaintiff or defendant in an
> existing civil litigation matter in the Atlantic region in which
> Attorney General of Canada is a named defendant or plaintiff please
> provide the court file number, the names of the parties in the action
> and your question.  I am not the appropriate contact for other
> matters.
>
> Thanks
>
> David A. Hansen
> Regional Director | Directeur régional
> General Counsel |Avocat général
> Civil Litigation and Advisory | Contentieux des affaires civiles et
> services de consultation
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>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 02:23:24 -0300
>> Subject: ATTN FBI Special Agent Richard Deslauriers Have you talked to
>> your buddies Fred Wyshak and Brian Kelly about the wiretap tapes YET?
>> To: boston@ic.fbi.gov, washington.field@ic.fbi.gov,
>> bob.paulson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, Kevin.leahy@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
>> Brian.Kelly@usdoj.gov, us.marshals@usdoj.gov, Fred.Wyshak@usdoj.gov,
>> jcarney@carneybassil.com, bbachrach@bachrachlaw.net
>> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, birgittaj@althingi.is,
>> shmurphy@globe.com, redicecreations@gmail.com
>>
>> FBI Boston
>> One Center Plaza
>> Suite 600
>> Boston, MA 02108
>> Phone: (617) 742-5533
>> Fax: (617) 223-6327
>>
>> Hours
>> Although we operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week, our normal
>> "walk-in" business hours are from 8:15 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., Monday
>> through Friday. If you need to speak with a FBI representative at any
>> time other than during normal business hours, please telephone our
>> office at (617) 742-5533.
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 01:20:20 -0300
>> Subject: Yo Fred Wyshak and Brian Kelly your buddy Whitey's trial is
>> finally underway now correct? What the hell do I do with the wiretap
>> tapes Sell them on Ebay?
>> To: Brian.Kelly@usdoj.gov, us.marshals@usdoj.gov,
>> Fred.Wyshak@usdoj.gov, jcarney@carneybassil.com,
>> bbachrach@bachrachlaw.net, wolfheartlodge@live.com, shmurphy@globe.com, >> jonathan.albano@bingham.com,  mvalencia@globe.com
>> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, oldmaison@yahoo.com,
>> PATRICK.MURPHY@dhs.gov, rounappletree@aol.com
>>
>>
>>
>> As the CBC etc yap about Yankee wiretaps and whistleblowers I must ask
>> them the obvious question AIN'T THEY FORGETTING SOMETHING????
>>
>>
>> What the hell does the media think my Yankee lawyer served upon the
>> USDOJ right after I ran for and seat in the 39th Parliament baseball
>> cards?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> FEDERAL EXPRES February 7, 2006
>> Senator Arlen Specter
>> United States Senate
>> Committee on the Judiciary
>> 224 Dirksen Senate Office Building
>> Washington, DC 20510
>>
>> Dear Mr. Specter:
>>
>> I have been asked to forward the enclosed tapes to you from a man
>> named, David Amos, a Canadian citizen, in connection with the matters
>> raised in the attached letter.
>>
>> Mr. Amos has represented to me that these are illegal FBI wire tap tapes.
>>
>> I believe Mr. Amos has been in contact with you about this previously.
>>
>> Very truly yours,
>> Barry A. Bachrach
>> Direct telephone: (508) 926-3403
>> Direct facsimile: (508) 929-3003
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Amos"david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>> To: "Rob Talach"rtalach@ledroitbeckett.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: Attn Robert Talach and I should talk ASAP about my suing
>> the Catholic Church Trust that Bastarache knows why
>>
>> The date stamp on about page 134 of this old file of mine should mean
>> a lot to you
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:37:08 -0400
>> Subject: To Hell with the KILLER COP Gilles Moreau What say you NOW
>> Bernadine Chapman??
>> To: Gilles.Moreau@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, phil.giles@statcan.ca,
>> maritme_malaise@yahoo.ca, Jennifer.Nixon@ps-sp.gc.ca,
>> bartman.heidi@psic-ispc.gc.ca, Yves.J.Marineau@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
>> david.paradiso@erc-cee.gc.ca, desaulniea@smtp.gc.ca,
>> denise.brennan@tbs-sct.gc.ca, anne.murtha@vac-acc.gc.ca,
>> webo@xplornet.com, julie.dickson@osfi-bsif.gc.ca,
>> rod.giles@osfi-bsif.gc.ca, flaherty.j@parl.gc.ca, toewsv1@parl.gc.ca,
>> Nycole.Turmel@parl.gc.ca,Clemet1@parl.gc.ca, maritime_malaise@yahoo.ca, >> oig@sec.gov, whistleblower@finra.org, whistle@fsa.gov.uk,
>> Cc: j.kroes@interpol.int, david.raymond.amos@gmail.com,
>> bernadine.chapman@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,  justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca,
>> Juanita.Peddle@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, oldmaison@yahoo.com,
>> Wayne.Lang@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, Robert.Trevors@gnb.ca,
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Gilles Moreau Gilles.Moreau@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:03:22 -0500
>> Subject: Re: Lets ee if the really nasty Newfy Lawyer Danny Boy
>> Millions will explain this email to you or your boss Vic Toews EH
>> Constable Peddle???
>> To: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>>
>> Please cease and desist from using my name in your emails.
>>
>> Gilles Moreau, Chief Superintendent, CHRP and ACC
>> Director General
>> HR Transformation
>> 73 Leikin Drive, M5-2-502
>> Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0R2
>>
>> Tel 613-843-6039
>> Cel 613-818-6947
>>
>> Gilles Moreau, surintendant principal, CRHA et ACC
>> Directeur général de la Transformation des ressources humaines
>> 73 Leikin, pièce M5-2-502
>> Ottawa, ON K1A 0R2
>>
>> tél 613-843-6039
>> cel 613-818-6947
>>
>
> First things first have a Look at the 3 documents hereto attached (Not
> a big read)
>
> Listen to these old voicemails from interesting FEDS at about  the
> same point in time (Won't take long)
>
>
> then ask youselves or the lawyers Senator Shelby or Spizter or Cutler
> or Bernie madoff's old buddy Robert Glauber where the webcast and
> transcript went for a very important hearing held in late 2003 by the
> United States Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs.
>
>
> Review of Current Investigations and Regulatory Actions Regarding the
> Mutual Fund Industry
>
> November 20, 2003 02:00 PM
> The Committee will meet in OPEN SESSION to conduct the second in a
> series of hearings on the “Review of Current Investigations and
> Regulatory Actions Regarding the Mutual Fund Industry.”
>
>    Archived Webcast
>
> Witness Panel 1
>
> Mr. Stephen M. Cutler
>    Director - Division of Enforcement
>    Securities and Exchange Commission
>    cutler.pdf (175.5 KBs)
>
> Mr. Robert Glauber
>    Chairman and CEO
>    National Association of Securities Dealers
>    glauber.pdf (171.1 KBs)
>
> Eliot Spitzer
>    Attorney General
>    State of New York
>    spitzer.pdf (68.2 KBs)
>
> Permalink:
>
>
> Trust that the evil women and men that  PM Trudeau "The Younger"
> appointed to to his cabinet will continue to play dumb because of
> their oath to The Privy Council. However it does not follow that
> everybody who works for them are dumb and they have no such oath to
> uphold N'esy Pas?.
>
> Veritas Vincit
> David Raymond Amos
> 902 800 0369
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Lisa Porteous <lporteous@kleinlyons.com>
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 14:46:22 +0000
> Subject: RCMP
> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>
> David,
>
> Thank you for your email inquiring about our class action against the
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> members. Unfortunately, we cannot assist you with your claim.
>
> We recommend that you contact Mr. Barry Carter of Mair Jensen Blair
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> His contact information is as follows:
>
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Tenants of new Miramichi building frustrated by cracking walls, power outages

Landlord says company is working to address the problems

Tenants living in a new affordable-housing building in Miramichi, N.B., say they are frustrated with walls cracking, electrical and snow-clearing problems, and how those issues have been addressed.

Melonie Rutland moved into 2108 Water St. after she was offered a unit in the building in November through the local women's shelter.

"I was promised happiness and to treat it like it would be my own home," she said.

The 20-unit building partnered with Miramichi Housing Solutions, the Miramichi Transition House and the Miramichi Regional Multicultural Association. More than half the units are designated for rent supplements, with some of the units aimed at women and children facing domestic violence or at risk of homelessness. The project finished up in the fall and opened to tenants last November.

The supplemented units were to be considered third-stage housing, meaning tenants could stay long term.

Rutland said she started experiencing issues in December when she noticed cracks forming on the walls and ceiling. 

A crack along a ceiling                                             Rutland took several photos of cracks in the hallways of the third floor and in the second floor stairwell. The company that owns the building says the cracks did not compromise the structural integrity of the building. (Submitted by Melonie Rutland)

In an interview, Blair Martin, the president of Belleterre Community Partners, which owns the building, said the cracks occurred when the roof trusses moved during the winter freeze-and-thaw cycles. 

He said work to repair the cracks couldn't be done in the winter and the work could wait since the issue didn't affect the structural integrity of the building.

Belleterre is working on a second building on the same street that will also have supplemented units, and he said the trusses have been redesigned to make sure the cracks don't happen with that project.

"These are problems that happen in all buildings, all new buildings, new homes, new apartments," he said. "It's just the way things are in the construction business, and you expect them to happen."

Shannon Camilleri, who lives in a subsidized accessible unit through Miramichi Housing Solutions, said her issues also began in December when she voiced her concern about ice in the driveway. As an amputee who is currently using crutches, she said she contacted the property manager about the problem but didn't get anywhere.

Martin said the company subcontracts the clearing of the parking lot and they usually won't come until the snow is finished falling. The subcontractors don't prioritize what building they go to first after a snow event, he added. 

Extended power outages

Rutland and Camilleri also said a power outage over a month ago left them without power for days.

Rutland said her food spoiled during that period, and there have since been more outages. She said the first gift card for food came a few weeks after the outage. 

A smiling man with a beard and mustache Belleterre Community Partners president Blair Martin said workers have been in the building trying to troubleshoot the electrical issues. (Submitted by Blair Martin)

Martin said electricians replaced the main breaker in the building after a subsequent outage five days ago. But after another outage on Wednesday night, he said electricians believed the issue was related to the N.B. Power line spiking and tripping the breaker.

Rutland said Belleterre Community Partners offered food gift cards to tenants after the outages, but she called it a "Band Aid solution" and said that some of the food tenants purchased the other day would have gone bad during the second outage of the week. 

Martin said N.B. Power was on site on Thursday to look at the issue but he understands why tenants are frustrated.

"Water is easy. You can see water dripping and fix that problem," he said. "Electrical, it's a lot more complicated in trying to figure out why something isn't operating properly.

 A woman on crutches standing with a microphone             Shannon Camilleri, seen speaking at a Coldest Night of the Year event, says she wants to speak out about her experiences in the building because other tenants might be going through similar problems. (Submitted by Shannon Camilleri)

"I understand the frustration, I accept the frustration … but there has to be an allowance somewhere from everyone involved to say, 'look, this doesn't happen overnight in terms of solving the problem, and we're trying to deal with the frustration.'"

Martin also said that even though Belleterre is a non-profit that builds affordable housing, they are also landlords. He called the situation a "typical tenant-landlord relationship."

CBC News requested an interview with Housing Minister Jill Green, but a spokesperson said she wasn't available. In an emailed statement, the spokesperson said "any tenant experiencing issues with the health and safety of their housing are encouraged to contact the Tenant and Landlord Relations Office directly to discuss their options."

Patricia Michaud, the executive director of the Miramichi Transition House, which recommended tenants for the units designated for families facing domestic violence, said she has heard from an outreach worker about the issues tenants are facing.

Although she said she isn't involved with the maintenance or ownership of the building, the organization has tried to help with grocery cards.

"It's a really hard situation because I don't want to lose those units, but I don't want to see tenants suffering … and having a hard time with not having electricity and so on," she said.

Mat Rouleau, the building's property manager, said he would be talking to tenants, and that he tries to be clear with them about whether fixing an issue is within his control.

"I'm going to take the time to listen and make sure that we, as much as we can, sort of do the work we need to do to … not just resolve this issue, but make sure that we let them know that we're taking it seriously," he said.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Hannah Rudderham is a reporter with CBC New Brunswick. She grew up in Cape Breton, N.S., and moved to Fredericton in 2018. You can send story tips to hannah.rudderham@cbc.ca.

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 ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "McKnight, Gisele" McKnight.Gisele@kingscorecord.com
> > > > To: lcampenella@ledger.com
> > > > Cc:motomaniac_02186@hotmail.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 2:53 PM
> > > > Subject: David Amos
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hello Lisa,
> > > > > David Amos asked me to contact you. I met him last June after he
> > became
> > > an
> > > > > independent (not representing any political party) candidate in our
> > > > federal
> > > > > election that was held June 28.
> > > > >
> > > > > He was a candidate in our constituency of Fundy (now called
> > > Fundy-Royal).
> > > > I
> > > > > wrote a profile story about him, as I did all other candidates. That
> > > story
> > > > > appeared in the Kings County Record June 22. A second story, written
> > by
> > > > one
> > > > > of my reporters, appeared on the same date, which was a report on
> the
> > > > > candidates' debate held June 18.
> > > > >
> > > > > As I recall David Amos came last of four candidates in the election.
> > The
> > > > > winner got 14,997 votes, while Amos got 358.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have attached the two stories that appeared, as well as a photo
> > taken
> > > by
> > > > > reporter Erin Hatfield during the debate. I couldn't find the photo
> > that
> > > > > ran, but this one is very similar.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gisele McKnight
> > > > > editor A1-debate A1-amos,David for MP 24.doc debate
2.JPG
> > > > > Kings County Record
> > > > > Sussex, New Brunswick
> > > > > Canada
> > > > > 506-433-1070
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
Raising a Little Hell- Lively Debate Provokes Crowd

By Erin Hatfield

"If you don't like what you got, why don't you change it? If your world is all screwed up, rearrange it."

The 1979 Trooper song Raise a Little Hell blared on the speakers at the 8th Hussars Sports Center Friday evening as people filed in to watch the Fundy candidates debate the issues. It was an accurate, if unofficial, theme song for the debate.

The crowd of over 200 spectators was dwarfed by the huge arena, but as they chose their seats, it was clear the battle lines were drawn. Supporters of Conservative candidate Rob Moore naturally took the blue chairs on the right of the rink floor while John Herron's Liberalswent left. There were splashes of orange, supporters of NDP Pat Hanratty, mixed throughout. Perhaps the loudest applause came from a row towards the back, where supporters of independent candidate David Amos sat.

The debate was moderated by Leo Melanson of CJCW Radio and was organized by the Sussex Valley Jaycees. Candidates wereasked a barrage of questions bypanelists Gisele McKnight of the Kings County Record and Lisa Spencer of CJCW.

Staying true to party platforms for the most part, candidates responded to questions about the gun registry, same sex marriage, the exodus of young people from the Maritimes and regulated gas prices. Herron and Moore were clear competitors,constantly challenging each other on their answers and criticizing eachothers’ party leaders. Hanratty flew under the radar, giving short, concise responses to the questions while Amos provided some food for thought and a bit of comic relief with quirky answers. "I was raised with a gun," Amos said in response to the question of thenational gun registry. "Nobody's getting mine and I'm not paying 10 cents for it."

Herron, a Progressive Conservative MP turned Liberal, veered from his party'splatform with regard to gun control. "It was ill advised but well intentioned," Herron said. "No matter what side of the house I am on, I'm voting against it." Pat Hanratty agreed there were better places for the gun registry dollars to be spent.Recreational hunters shouldn't have been penalized by this gun registry," he said.

The gun registry issues provoked the tempers of Herron and Moore. At one point Herron got out of his seat and threw a piece of paper in front of Moore. "Read that," Herron said to Moore, referring to the voting record of Conservative Party leader Steven Harper. According to Herron, Harper voted in favour of the registry on the first and second readings of the bill in 1995. "He voted against it when it counted, at final count," Moore said. "We needa government with courage to register sex offenders rather than register the property of law abiding citizens."

The crowd was vocal throughout the evening, with white haired men and women heckling from the Conservative side. "Shut up John," one woman yelled. "How can you talk about selling out?" a man yelled whenHerron spoke about his fear that the Conservatives are selling farmers out.

Although the Liberal side was less vocal, Kings East MLA Leroy Armstrong weighed in at one point. "You’re out of touch," Armstrong yelled to Moore from the crowd when the debate turned to the cost of post-secondary education. Later in the evening Amos challenged Armstrong to a public debate of their own. "Talk is cheap. Any time, anyplace," Armstrong responded.

As the crowd made its way out of the building following the debate, candidates worked the room. They shook hands with well-wishers and fielded questions from spectators-all part of the decision-making process for the June 28 vote.

Cutline – David Amos, independent candidate in Fundy, with some of his favourite possessions—motorcycles.

McKnight/KCR

The Unconventional Candidate

David Amos Isn’t Campaigning For Your Vote, But….

By Gisele McKnight

FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."

Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos.

The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from running for office in Canada.

One has only to be at least 18, a Canadian citizen and not be in jail to meet Elections Canada requirements.

When it came time to launch his political crusade, Amos chose his favourite place to do so—Fundy.

Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians.

"I’ve become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."

The journey that eventually led Amos to politics began in Sussex in 1987. He woke up one morning disillusioned with life and decided he needed to change his life.

"I lost my faith in mankind," he said. "People go through that sometimes in midlife."

So Amos, who’d lived in Sussex since 1973, closed his Four Corners motorcycle shop, paid his bills and hit the road with Annie, his 1952 Panhead motorcycle.

"Annie and I rode around for awhile (three years, to be exact) experiencing the milk of human kindness," he said. "This is how you renew your faith in mankind – you help anyone you can, you never ask for anything, but you take what they offer."

For those three years, they offered food, a place to sleep, odd jobs and conversation all over North America.

Since he and Annie stopped wandering, he has married, fathered a son and a daughter and become a house-husband – Mr. Mom, as he calls himself.

He also describes himself in far more colourful terms—a motorcyclist rather than a biker, a "fun-loving, free-thinking, pig-headed individual," a "pissed-off Maritimer" rather than an activist, a proud Canadian and a "wild colonial boy."

Ironically, the man who is running for office has never voted in his life.

"But I have no right to criticize unless I offer my name," he said. "It’s alright to bitch in the kitchen, but can you walk the walk?"

Amos has no intention of actively campaigning.

"I didn’t appreciate it when they (politicians) pounded on my door interrupting my dinner," he said. "If people are interested, they can call me. I’m not going to drive my opinions down their throats."

And he has no campaign budget, nor does he want one.

"I won’t take any donations," he said. "Just try to give me some. It’s not about money. It goes against what I’m fighting about."

What he’s fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes’ gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.

"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I’m death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window.

NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico.

Amos disagrees with the idea that a vote for him is a wasted vote.

"There are no wasted votes," he said. "I want people like me, especially young people, to pay attention and exercise their right. Don’t necessarily vote for me, but vote."

Although…if you’re going to vote anyway, Amos would be happy to have your X by his name.

"I want people to go into that voting booth, see my name, laugh and say, ‘what the hell.’"
 
 
 
 

Lia Daborn

Executive Director, New Brunswick Dental Society

Lia Daborn is an Association Executive who 'fell into' the sector after completing a Masters in Environmental Studies. That degree brought her to New Brunswick where she accepted her first full-time job as the Executive Director of the Conservation Council of New Brunswick at age 26! She learned on the job and translated those skills into employment with professional associations including the Canadian Bar Association and the New Brunswick Dental Society. Lia served as the Atlantic representative on the board of the Canadian Society of Association Executives for a period of eight years, recently completing her term as Past Chair. She has also served on the board of the Fredericton region Habitat for Humanity. In addition to her full-time job, Lia acts as the New Brunswick representative for the Opimian Society, Canada's largest non-profit wine-buying club. In her spare time she bakes, cooks, plays with her camera, reads and drinks wine!

What are you most proud of professionally? And who or why?

My recent experience as Chair of a National Association (Canadian Society of Association Executives)

What's your vision for Atlantic Canada in 10 years? What’s our biggest opportunity now?

Our greatest opportunity is a focus on continued growth, particularly taking advantage of the natural beauty that surrounds us, the inspiring people who live here and encouraging their development and promotion within the region.

What was your greatest stage of growth?  What made it a shift for you? 

Assuming the role as Board Chair of a national organization pushed me outside of my comfort zone in a great way. It was a challenge I had set for myself without really thinking it through in the way I would normally have done - and it meant I had to stretch in ways I would never have done had I taken the time to talk myself out of the job. I was "too young", "too inexperienced", "lacking connections" and "too shy". Chairing a national board provided me the opportunity to learn so many new skills and to realize that I can do things and sometimes need to not think it through, but "leap" instead. That can be really uncomfortable - but so worth it in the end!

What's your favourite or most read book or podcast? Now or at each of your greatest stages of growth?

I have many favorite authors - what links many of them is that they write in a beautiful way that is almost poetic, but provides you with a true picture of what they are trying to say. My choice in the moment depends on my mood.

What's your deepest learning from this past year? How did/will you apply it?

That I do have the ability to lead others, and have a presence that others will look to and follow, provided my message resonates. I have always been shy and despised public speaking. I have tried Toastmasters and other speaking programs, to feel more comfortable in front of a crowd. Little works as well as the experience itself, and having had to speak to rooms of 500 - 600 people over the past three years has meant a lot of growth in this area! At the most recent conference where I presented Committee reports, more than one person commented afterwards that I had "come a long way" and it is true. All of that has helped to build my confidence although I will still continue to have those butterflies every time I have to walk up on stage!

Who's inspired you, directly or indirectly? How have they inspired you?

The former Chief Justice Beverly McLaughlin has always impressed me – she is extremely well spoken and carries herself in such a way that inspired respect. Her presentations are well reasoned and informed, and delivered in a calm manner.  I would love to have that outward calm appearance when speaking to a roomful of people

What would you have done differently?

My career has taken a winding path to lead me to where I am today, but looking back, there is not much I would change. I recognize that I am doing what I am meant to do - working in the Association world, and I know that I am good at it. It suits my personality and my skills.

What motivated you to make the choices you've made? What are the principles you live by?

My motivations were encouraged through one of those "professional / personal development" programs that forces you to set goals and write them down. It is true: once you write things down and envision attaining them, it sets you on a path that means once opportunity presents itself, you can't do anything but say "yes". Becoming chair of CSAE was one goal, set a number of years ago. I also wanted to become a sommelier - and am currently working towards that certificate as well as now acting as a representative for the Opimian Society. Knowing these goals were important to me allowed me to welcome potential opportunities to advance along and get one step closer to accomplishing them. I need to set more goals for myself and keep focused on them in order to keep moving forward.

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Association Executive, Wine Lover (and Wine Rep!), baking queen

Lia Daborn
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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