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Time has run out for paid-sick-leave legislation, Green MLA complains

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Time has run out for paid-sick-leave legislation, Green MLA complains

Report ready since February, minister says timeline for release isn’t up to him

The Higgs government is being accused of running out the clock on any discussion of adopting paid-sick-leave legislation for New Brunswick workers. 

With the legislature set to adjourn June 7 for the last time before a fall provincial election, Labour Minister Greg Turner has not yet tabled a much-anticipated report on the idea. 

The report has been ready for at least three months, and Green MLA Megan Mitton says the delay means it's no longer possible for a bill on paid sick leave to become law before the election.

"Disappointingly, no," she said.

"They've dropped the ball on this and made it clear they don't care to stand up for workers' rights and don't care to bring in paid sick days like we've been urging them to." 

Turner struggled to explain to reporters on Friday why he hasn't been able to release his own department's report yet, attributing the delay to "the schedule" but reaffirming his vow to get it out before the legislative session ends.

Greg Turner Labour Minister Greg Turner said the delay was due to planning. (CBC)

"The planners schedule things, but I know it's on the agenda, let's say, for sure, for next week, and hopefully it's before the end of the week so we can scrutinize it," he said.

"That would be the hope." 

Green Leader David Coon introduced legislation in December 2022 that would provide sick workers with up to 10 days of paid leave.

The bill also included a provision to help employers with the cost.

The province had a record number of flu hospitalizations at the time and was also grappling at the time with soaring rates of COVID-19 and respiratory syncytial virus, or RSV.

Coon argued the paid leave would make it easier for workers to stay home, decreasing their chances of infecting others.

His bill was sent to the legislature's law amendments committee, which decided not to advance it but to instead ask the Department of Post-Secondary Education, Training and Labour to hold consultations and prepare a report.

The department's deputy minister Dan Mills told Mitton at a public accounts committee meeting on Feb. 22 that that work was finished.

"We're prepared to report back to Law Amendments whenever they're ready to have us," Mills said. 

More than three months later, the report still isn't public, with only four sitting days of the legislative session remaining. 

"It's just in the timing and in parliamentary procedure. Things are scheduled. It'll come out next week," Turner said.

"I don't always get to make those choices but I look forward to presenting it, that's for sure." 

Mitton said it was strange that Turner could not decide for himself when his report would be out.

"Who's in charge, then, if the minister of PETL isn't in charge of his own recommendations, his own report?" 

Turner told reporters the government must "balance" the concerns of workers and their employers but refused to elaborate until the report is out. 

 Dan Mills poses for a photoDan Mills, deputy minister of labour, told legislators at a committee in February that work was finished on the bill. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)

Mills told the committee in February the department had received "a variety of feedback" from stakeholders, who advocated a range of options including the status quo and a combination of various paid and unpaid leave options. 

Depending on what day the report is released next week, opposition parties may have little or no time left to ask questions about it in the legislature.

"What is in it that they don't want us to see until the very last day that we're sitting here?" Mitton asked.

"I still can't believe that we've gone a pandemic and the government hasn't learned anything about public health measures. This should be a right, that people have paid sick days."

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Jacques Poitras

Provincial Affairs reporter

Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New Brunswick since 2000. He grew up in Moncton and covered Parliament in Ottawa for the New Brunswick Telegraph-Journal. He has reported on every New Brunswick election since 1995 and won awards from the Radio Television Digital News Association, the National Newspaper Awards and Amnesty International. He is also the author of five non-fiction books about New Brunswick politics and history.

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149 Comments
 

David Amos
Surprise Surprise Surprise 
 
David Amos
Reply to David Amos 
I doubt the Irvings would approve of such legislation eh?
 
 
David Amos
I wonder if Mr Outhouse is entitled to sick leave and vacation time 
 
Denis Van Humbeck 
Reply to David Amos
JT. 
 
David Amos
Reply to Denis Van Humbeck 
??? 
 
 
David Amos

Methinks time may run out out for my cousin as well Madame Holt and Mr Outhouse or I are not the only ones who would be surprised if she wins her seat again N'esy Pas? 
 
 
 
David Amos
I'm Back  
 
 
Luc Newsome
Speaking of serious issues…how could the BOC get their forecast so far off reality?

They predicted a 2.8% gdp growth and we had 1.7%…

David Amos 
Reply to Luc Newsome
Have you been watching the stock market?
 
 
 
Luc Newsome
A serious issue facing Canada is where the next generation of employers will come from…….currently hiring is being done mostly through the public sector.

As per Statscan “ From March 2023 to March 2024, employment has grown at a faster rate in the public sector (+4.8%; +202,000) than in the private sector (+1.1%; +141,000).”

Bill Watson
Reply to Luc Newsome
To be blunt, I really feel that Canada is a lost cause.
 
Joe Zilch 
Reply to Luc Newsome 
I trust that when the Liberals are wiped out in the next election that the bloated civil service will be right sized back to 2015 levels.
 
Bob Leeson
Reply to Luc Newsome
Mostly? Convenient you quote it not by total. Lol

The number of employees in the private sector vastly exceeds that in the public sector. But we'll not mention that. Shhhh ;)

Bob Leeson
Reply to Bill Watson 
Luckily the next generation of employers will come from newcomers to our country for the most part. It seems too many Canadians are allergic to education and university, some going so far as to prevent their kids from attending due to fears of "indoctrination". 
 
David Amos 
Reply to Bill Watson
Me too
 
 
 
Joe Zilch  
Soon when all the people have embedded chips the employers will know who is really sick and apply the sick day benefit appropriately.

I expect that 90% of sick days will be eliminated.

Bob Leeson
Reply to Joe Zilch 
By then our robots will be doing all the work while we sit back and relax. Until of course those robotic AI machines become our overlords, and decide what is best for us and humanity. Humanity may disagree, but so be it! ;) 
 
Joe Zilch 
Reply to Bob Leeson
Smart watches do most of this today. It will just be a couple of years.
 
David Amos 
Reply to Bob Leeson
Surely you jest  
 
 
 
Luc Newsome
The classic example of abuse with paid sick days is the Ontario teachers…when they couldn’t bank them anymore for retirement….sick days increased dramatically
 
Bob Leeson
Reply to Luc Newsome 
Yeah especially during the pandemic. It's funny. Like they seemed to almost not want to spread covid to their students or whatever. 
 
Luc Newsome
Reply to Bob Leeson 
Before pandemic came to town….

“ Prior to the 2011-12 school year, Ontario teachers could bank their unused sick leave and then cash them out as a bonus upon retirement. These banked days added up (to $47,000, to be exact). This was no small expense to the taxpayer and a significant benefit for retiring teachers. So the Dalton McGuinty government ended the ability to bank sick days, in favour of a set number of days that could be taken each year on a “use it or lose it” basis.

Now, five years down the road, the AG reports that at more than 50 school boards across the province, average sick days taken has increased 29 per cent, from nine to 11.6 days per staff member.

Joe Zilch 
Reply to Luc Newsome 
Proof of abuse
 
MR Cain 
Reply to Joe Zilch
Use it or lose it 
 
MR Cain  
Reply to Luc Newsome 
Contractual rights. I worked under a contract where I had accumulated more than 6 months sick leave. Some would get a chit from the doctor and have the year off before retiring. The contract has since been renegotiated and the employee is limited to a maximum carry over of 10 days; pretty standard today. .
 
David Amos 
Reply to Joe Zilch 
Yup
 
 
 
Bill Watson
I don't agree with paid sick leave. I went my entire 45-year career without taking a day off sick. I powered through when I was sick.
 
David Amos 

Reply to Bill Watson 
Welcome back I enjoyed your words earlier but when I tried to add my two bits worth no doubt you now what happened next
 
Bill Watson
Reply to David Amos
I haven't seen any responses to my posts earlier today because I head off running out the mountain; did it 3 times today.
 
David Amos 

Reply to Bill Watson
Bill Watson
Reply to Bill Watson
I meant running up the mountain, not out. Far too many beers already.
 
David Amos 

Reply to Bill Watson
"Human-caused wildfires are on the decline"

Well lightning did not cause this forest fire that began 200 yards from my camp last year

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/wild-fire-kars-belleisle-1.6863445

I was also the last caller yesterday

https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-38-maritime-noon/clip/16071418-environmental-chemist-cora-young-york-university-comments-recent
 
Bob Leeson
Reply to Bill Watson
I climbed a few mountains. I wasn't sick and it took me 3 days to reach the summit of my first (mount Halcon). No way could I do it 3 times in one day, even when I was 22 years old, but obviously I wasn't quite as fit as yourself today. Nice to be young again! Any advice on training?
 
Bob Leeson
Reply to Bill Watson
Huh? How can a person run up a mountain unless it's a hill with a gentle slope? No climbing gear? Superman? Lol
 
Bill Watson
Reply to Bob Leeson
It's 2,300 vertical feet over 1.6 miles; essentially up a blue ski run. I then ride the chair down, then do it again, ride the chair down, then do it a third time. It takes me about 35 minutes each run.
 
Bill Watson
Reply to Bob Leeson
I go up the ski run, which is 2,300 vertical feet over 1.6 miles. I'm 67 years old, and a train intensely every day.
 
Luc Newsome
Reply to Bill Watson
Assuming you are telling the truth…that’s fantastic……congratulations!
 
Bill Watson
Reply to Luc Newsome
Unfortunately, it's an obsession with me, and it has begun to consume my life. My problem is I compete with myself and push every day for a personal best time.
 
MR Cain
Reply to Bill Watson
That must be the ski run you own.
 
MR Cain
Reply to Bill Watson
So you shared your illness with your co-workers or employees or whatever your claim is today.
 
Bill Watson
Reply to MR Cain
Why?
 
David Amos
Reply to Bill Watson
I'm Back
 
Bill Watson
Reply to MR Cain
I made a point of not coughing or sneezing into the months of co-workers.
 
Bill Watson.
Reply to David Amos
Good to know, but I've finished my 6-pack and now I have a craving for a large blizzard.
 
David Amos
Reply to Bill Watson
Perhaps we should talk sometime
 
Bill Watson.
Reply to David Amos
Why is that?
 
Bob Leeson.
Reply to Bill Watson
By the way I go downhill on my mountain bike, I'm likely to not reach 67 years old. Haha

But seriously, I have been hospitalized a few times for a short time due to some mishaps, including a silly "after" climbing accident going up a 150 foot cliff when I was 17 years old. It was pretty serious, and had to be rushed out due to loss of blood.
 
Bill Watson
Reply to Bob Leeson.
Sorry to hear about your serious mishaps. I also do some pretty narly mountain biking; and I've ended up in emergency 3 times in recent years, once to get a bunch of hardware installed in me. My fellow seniors just shake their heads when I head out mountain biking, skiing avalanche chutes and sky diving.
 
David Amos
Reply to Bill Watson
My middle name is Raymond
 
 
 
David Amos

I wonder I Mr Outhouse is reading the comments below

 
 
Lou Bell

I find it funny how the left complains about an overstaffed , overpaid public sector , then in the next breath how they're underpaid , overworked , and neglected .  
 
Lou Bell

Reply to Lou Bell
Really , don't know if they're comin' or goin' . 
 
David Amos

Reply to Lou Bell 
Do you?
 
David Amos

Reply to Lou Bell
Did you forget who my cousins are?
 
David Amos

Reply to Lou Bell
Does little Lou need a clue to to rub together with the other one she thinks she has? 
 
David Amos 

Reply to David Amos
Does little Lou even know married my Mother after my Father died or who my Father was?
 
David Amos

Reply to Lou Bell
Has the cat got your tongue?
 
Lou Bell

Reply to David Amos
Your wife ? 
 
Lou Bell

Reply to David Amos
And her brother ? 
 
David Amos
Reply to Lou Bell  
Wow you sure can get nasty when I bust you in front of your friends eh?
 
Bob Leeson   
Reply to Lou Bell 
Man that's vile. I hope I never meet people like that in real life. So far so good! 
 
David Amos

Reply to Bob Leeson 
Yea Right Mr IT Guy 
 
Bob Leeson   
Reply to David Amos
What's wrong with companies doing big data, microservice operators on cloud, and AI (machines learning) on cloud? You use this stuff everyday without knowing. 
 
 

Luc Newsome 
Decide if you want the job based on the compensation and benefits…..if sick days are important to you look for an employer that offers them. No need for government intervention………
 
David Amos
Reply to Luc Newsome
Amen
 
MR Cain
Reply to Luc Newsome
It is primarily in low-wage, low skilled work with little to no benefits, or the difficulty in affording to take time off or the threat of getting fired. Not everyone gets the sweet benefit job. The pandemic opened up a lot of eyes. We need improved labour laws. 
 
Luc Newsome
Reply to MR Cain
We had a million job vacancies….. seriously who couldn’t get a great deal 
 
Bob Leeson  
Reply to Luc Newsome
Well for one, only about 33% of Canadians even have a bachelor's degree or higher. There are a lot of low paying jobs out there with people who lack skills. Sadly they often don't do so well. 
 
Luc Newsome
Reply to Bob Leeson 
FYI…” According to a 2022 report by the OECD, Canada is the most educated country in the world; the country ranks first worldwide in the percentage of adults having tertiary education, with over 57 percent of Canadian adults having attained at least an undergraduate college or university degree.”

But hey let’s not quibble on numbers….my point is it’s a choice. And employees have the power with all the amount of jobs available

Bob Leeson  
Reply to Luc Newsome 
 
Bob Leeson  
Reply to Luc Newsome   
Also it's impossible to deny that the level of educational attainment and income are very much linked.
 
Luc Newsome
Reply to Bob Leeson
 
Bob Leeson  
Reply to Luc Newsome  
err.. that include just community college too, not just university undergrad degrees. Also it says thanks to immigrants ;)  
 
 
 
MR Cain 
Stay tuned for the next episode of "Who's the Boss?"
 
 
 
David Amos
I owned a small business before my cousin was born I did not appreciate the government or anyone else telling me how I must run it If my employees felt that I was abusing them they could go work for somebody else but they would never have as much fun as we did.  
 
Bob Leeson 
Reply to David Amos
I could never be competitive in business if I had a high turnover and didn't make employees satisfied with their salary, benefits, and work conditions. I suppose those who own a burger joint and hire TFWs may have a different take.  
 
Lou Bell

Reply to David Amos 
So that's why you keep referring to the circus . 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to David Amos 
And did you offer paid sick leave and shared pension plans ? 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to David Amos
I think not . 
 
David Amos
Reply to Lou Bell
Did it really take you that long to figure it out? 
 
David Amos
Reply to Lou Bell 
Methinks Political Science is not Rocket Science N'esy Pas? 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to David Amos 
You've proven that .
 
David Amos
Reply to Lou Bell  
Have you seen your buddy Cardy around? Rest assured he will soon appear as Harvey York 
 
 
 
Paul Greggory  
Happy Pride Month to everyone
 
David Amos
Reply to Paul Greggory  
Proud of what? 
 
Bob Leeson  
Reply to Paul Greggory  
Not yet. It starts tomorrow. 
 
Bob Leeson 
Reply to Paul Greggory
But happy Pride Month to you too! :) 
 
David Amos  

Reply to Bob Leeson  
I am sure a wiseguy like you has been told before 
 
Bob Leeson 
Reply to David Amos
Huh what? 
 
 
 
Bob Leeson 
This is rediculous. It's a slippery slope. Next thing employees will demand is 2 weeks of paid vacation a year, overtime for working overtime, and compensation of at least minimum wage.
How would the booming province of NB attract investment and business when things go this far? 
 
David Amos  
Reply to Bob Leeson 
Is that supposed to be witty? 
 
Bob Leeson 
Reply to David Amos
It's a competitive environment for employers to get good employees today. Even in the USA when I moved there for a job, I negotiated 6 weeks paid vacation when the norm there were 2 weeks at most for professional occupations. Also all the single sick days I needed within reason, and they had a great HMO for healthcare as well for me. I do realize that few Americans enjoy such benefits, but being Canadian of course I felt entitled. So they complied! Lol/s  
 
David Amos  
Reply to Bob Leeson 
I am not laughing I lived in the USA for 20 years and my wife worked for American Express yet she only got 2 weeks off when she had our babies She was shocked to see Canadians got a year off 
 
Bob Leeson 
Reply to David Amos
It seems American businesses are accommodating when the employee shows their worth. They had to make me VP though in order for me to receive the benefits. It was the biggest bank in Florida, shortly after Barnett Bank was bought by Nations Bank. I was in charge with consolidating their IT systems and modernization after their merger. It was fun times :)

I had an opportunity to start my own firm in Canada that I couldn't pass up though, plus I had the capital, so I left a few years later and here I am still!

David Amos  
Reply to Bob Leeson  
You must know who I am  
 
Bob Leeson 
Reply to David Amos
The former President of the United States? Good luck on your conviction I guess?  
 
 
 
 
 Robert Leeson
Head of Global Office IT and Digital Workplace at Vodafone Group Services
Maidenhead, England, United Kingdom 

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