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Judge hands province small win on Policy 713, pushes case back to fall

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Judge hands province small win on Policy 713, pushes case back to fall

‘Confusion’ means no hearing until start of school year in September, just days before election campaign

The legal battle between the Anglophone East district education council and the Higgs government on Policy 713 could continue into the next school year, just days before the start of a provincial election campaign.

Chief Justice Tracey DeWare of the Court of King's Bench had said earlier this spring that she wanted the case resolved before students return to classes in the fall.

But a tangle of legal filings "has created confusion" that could push a potential hearing on an injunction against Policy 713 to the second week of September, DeWare has decided.

That means it will unfold just one week before the legislature is dissolved for the election.

DeWare's Wednesday ruling hands a small victory to the province, which argued the education council could not seek an injunction to block Education Minister Bill Hogan from repealing its own gender identity policy and from dissolving the council.

The province argued there is already a mechanism to resolve disputes between a minister and a council which involves going to court.

DeWare agreed.

"An injunction is not necessary as the Minister of Education's actions are subject to court oversight prior to any order for dissolution," DeWare wrote.

Hogan welcomed the decision.

"Certainly the decision by Chief Justice DeWare is promising, and we look forward to continuing that," he told reporters.

Consent required for those under 16

Last year's changes to Policy 713 include a requirement that educators get the consent of parents if a student under the age of 16 wants to adopt a new name or pronoun at school to reflect their gender identity. 

Anglophone East believes that violates the equality rights of 2SLGBTQ+ students under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Hogan has already declared he was repealing the education council's policy on implementing Policy 713 — which is at odds with the provincial document — and has vowed to dissolve the council for defying his directives on the issue.

That process requires a court application that DeWare says gives the council the same ability to "enlist the assistance of the court" to challenge the minister — making injunctions against repeal and dissolution unnecessary.

The judge said she is still able to consider the district's other requests, including an injunction against the implementation of Policy 713 itself.

A group of people stand outside a historical building waving pride flags. Supporters of gender policy in N.B. schools waved pride flags outside the legislature at a protest rally over changes to Policy 713 last year. (Lars Schwarz/CBC)

The district issued a press release saying it was celebrating what it called its "first win" in the case. Council member Kristin Cavoukian said no one from the education council would be doing interviews.

DeWare originally planned to hear the main injunction application from June 18 to 21. 

But she says Anglophone East's two amendments to its application, including changes to who was named as plaintiffs and a request for public-interest standing in the case, made it hard for the province to defend itself in court "until clarity is brought to the proceedings." 

"This is a situation that needs to be dealt with expeditiously by the Court and the parties but has been an ongoing source of friction between the parties for nearly a year," DeWare wrote.

But she said she had to balance the need for speed with clarifying who exactly is asking for the "exceptional remedy" of blocking a minister from exercising his powers and whether they have the legal standing to do so.

The June 18-21 hearing will now deal with the question of standing.

If the education council gets standing and the case continues, a July 25-26 hearing would decide which expert witnesses and reports can be part of the case. 

Finally, the injunction application itself would be heard Sept. 9-12.

By provincial law the legislature will be dissolved Sept. 19 for an election on Oct. 21, meaning DeWare's decision on an injunction could be released just days before — or during — the campaign. 

"I would like to see it resolved as soon as possible," Hogan said at the legislature.

"We function on the court's schedule and on [the chief justice's] schedule and the different lawyers' schedules, so it is what it is. It's going to be what it's going to be, preferably the sooner the better."

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Jacques Poitras

Provincial Affairs reporter

Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New Brunswick since 2000. He grew up in Moncton and covered Parliament in Ottawa for the New Brunswick Telegraph-Journal. He has reported on every New Brunswick election since 1995 and won awards from the Radio Television Digital News Association, the National Newspaper Awards and Amnesty International. He is also the author of five non-fiction books about New Brunswick politics and history.

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137 Comments
 
 
David Amos
I bet Mr Outhouse has a smile a mile wide today  
 
 
David Amos
Looks like a victory to me

"The province argued there is already a mechanism to resolve disputes between a minister and a council which involves going to court.

DeWare agreed.

"An injunction is not necessary as the Minister of Education's actions are subject to court oversight prior to any order for dissolution," DeWare wrote.

Hogan welcomed the decision."

 
Kramer Vandelay
Are the teachers and school boards intent on taking over the role of parents?

Stick to teaching please. Reading, writing and math should be your focus.

Randy Vandelay
Reply to Kramer Vandelay
I guess it's your limited experience with the education system leads you to believe that interaction between teachers and students is that minimal?
Kramer Vandelay    
Reply to Randy Vandelay  
That is far to much for many students. The teachers are there to teach not to parent. 
Charles Hunt
Reply to Kramer Vandelay 
Like it or not, schools are also a place where kids learn about life and about themselves. What their likes are and who they are going to be. Every child deserves a safe environment in which they can thrive and become the best version of themself. Not all children share the same views as their parents and not all parents are open to talking about tough real life subjects with their children.  
Randy Vandelay
Reply to Kramer Vandelay
Treating students like people is "far too much"? Weird take. 
John Gray 
Reply to Kramer Vandelay
Sex ed is also part of education. With teen pregnancy rates double the national average . Time to keep churches out of school. So sick of having force religious views pushed by the far right.  
Ralph Linwood  
Reply to Charles Hunt  
Well said! 
Dave Gordon
Reply toJohn Gray 
I’m just as sick of liberal ideology being pushed on our kids. When I went to school about 30 years ago they taught us the basics in sex ed and that’s all kids need 
Charles Hunt 
Reply toDave Gordon 
So, you're saying kids today should be taught what you were taught 30 years ago? How about we go back 130 years? Would that be good enough also? How about 230 years? What your parents were taught should have been good enough for you, but I bet they weren't taught the same as you.
Ralph Linwood  
Reply toDave Gordon 
Kids have the internet in their hands, they are watching po rn and "learning" about human interaction there. It would be better for trained adults to teach them the reality of it all.   
Dave Gordon
Reply toCharles Hunt
Can’t say what my parents were taught but if you look at the curriculum 30 years ago I think it hit the mark. Everything you actually needed to know
David Amos
Reply to Kramer Vandelay
"Stick to teaching please. Reading, writing and math should be your focus."

I Wholeheartedly Agree

David Amos
Reply to Dave Gordon
I agree 
Benoit Boudreau 
Reply to Kramer Vandelay
Let’s see… 30 years ago… 1994…
David Amos
Reply to Benoit Boudreau 
Yup That was just before Windows 95 changed the world as we knew it 
David Amos
Reply to Ralph Linwood
I recall your hero Cardy buying a lot of laptops with our money so the kids could learn through the internet instead of real life with the teachers and their friends Do ya think they learned other things as well?
Charles Hunt 
Reply to Dave Gordon
Of course that's what you believe. You're right and all the experts and people that work with kids are all wrong. Curriculum and schools have evolved over hundreds of years, but what was taught 30 years ago is all we need for kids today. You don't think there has been any societal changes in the past 30 years? That's exactly how a certain premier thinks.
Charles Hunt 
Reply to David Amos
Methinks the children probably learned real tech skills that are applicable in almost every professional job N'esy Pas?  
MR Cain 
Reply to Kramer Vandelay 
Tell that to the parents who are not taking the responsibility, or are incapable of assuming the responsibility.
Dave Gordon
Reply to Charles Hunt  
Advocates and lobbyists are not experts
Dave Gordon
Reply to Charles Hunt   
And experts told us that we should legalize hard drugs. How’d that work out? A little more common sense please. It used to be common
David Amos
Reply to Charles Hunt    
I know I did Google me sometime
David Amos
Reply to Dave Gordon 
Oh So True  
Kramer Vandelay  
Reply to MR Cain  
That is there issue to discuss with their doctor or councilors or advisors. The teachers are not the parents and have no role in their child's care or parenting decisions.
Kramer Vandelay  
Reply to Kramer Vandelay 
their
Kramer Vandelay  
Reply to John Gray  
What religious views? Keep religion out of the schools.
Charles Hunt 
Reply to Dave Gordon
Treating children as outcasts and not providing a safe and inclusive environment may help prevent the hard drug problem for some. Education is badly needed on these tough subjects and not all parents are up to the task.
MR Cain 
Reply to Kramer Vandelay
Who cares for the child when there is no parent present?
David Amos
Reply to Kramer Vandelay
Amen


 
Wilbur Ross  
And the courts step in to bail out Higgs again. The judges never fail to kick the can a little further down the road for whatever reason. And as per usual, a delay is as good as a win for the Tories.
David Amos
Reply to Wilbur Ross 
I bet lots of folks recall what Higgy did about COVID and doings within the EUB and NB Power just before he had the writ dropped in 2020  
 
 
Charles Hunt  
This has been nothing more than Higgs trying to appeal to a certain group of voters. Using a small group of children who are struggling to find their own identity and fit in is just shameful. In reality, the teachers and school staff probably do know more about the children they are with every day. There are a lot of old and crusty parents out there that would never talk to their children about hard real life issues that kids face. Then you the religious zealots that would never accept anything but their own agenda and beliefs and want to force their ideas into politics. And for those who believe only teachers should teach sex Ed, then what about when police come in the schools and do presentations on drugs? Some things are best left to the experts that deal with reality and not with what some only believe to be real life.
David Webb 
Reply to Charles Hunt   
I hardly think that there are very many "old and crusty parents", with children under 16, or even 17 or 18.
Charles Hunt  
Reply to David Webb
I'm referring to their mentality and not their actual age.
Bob Enrob  
Reply to Charles Hunt  
If a child is in danger get child protective service involved!!! end of story 
Charles Hunt  
Reply to Bob Enrob 
What does this have to do with a child being in danger? It's about children growing up and finding themselves and being educated on tough subjects. There are so many closed minded parents (who have the same Higgs mentality) who have children that can't talk to them. So they should have a safe environment to learn not only subjects but learn about themselves.
David Amos
Reply to Bob Enrob
I agree
 
 
 
Charles Hunt  
This has been nothing more than Higgs trying to appeal to a certain group of voters. Using a small group of children who are struggling to find their own identity and fit in is just shameful. In reality, the teachers and school staff probably do know more about the children they are with every day. There are a lot of parents out there that would never talk to their children about hard real life issues that kids face. Then you the religious zealots that would never accept anything but their own agenda and beliefs and want to force their ideas into politics. And for those who believe only teachers should teach sex Ed, then what about when police come in the schools and do presentations on drugs? Some things are best left to the experts that deal with reality and not with what some only believe to be real life.
 
David Amos
 
Reply to Charles Hunt  
Methinks Mr Outhouse should agree that you have a lot to learn about hard ball politicking N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
David Webb 
Where are we at with financial literacy instruction in the province or do we leave that to the parents to educate our little darlings? IMO that should be a far more important discussion than what children under 16 years of age can decide for themselves without parents consent. I'm all for approved (cariculium) sex ed in the classroom, not some ad hoc invitees. Even more so the critical need for a financial education.
 
David Amos
Reply to David Webb 
Financial education is where the gold is
 
MR Cain
Reply to David Webb 
Apparently, the schools lack the staff and resources. 
 
 
 
B Johnny Kalibanos
  
Nicaragua is better than Canada.  
 
David Amos
Reply to B Johnny Kalibanos 
Nope
 
Ralph Linwood    
  
Reply to B Johnny Kalibanos 
Move there! 
 
 
 
ralph jacobs  
This nonsense is getting to far out of hand. 
 
David Amos
Reply to ralph jacobs  
Trust that the newly independent Mr Cardy disagrees with you  
 
Jimmy Cochrane 
Reply to ralph jacobs
Agreed. Couldn’t think of anything further from an election issue. 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to David Amos
I expect he'll be the next leader of the liberals . 
 
Lou Bell
Reply toLou Bell  
By January of next year . 
 
 
 
Ralph Steinberg
 
Democratic backsliding by Higgs and the other one in AB. 
 
That is the new normal of these conservative parties being taken over by farther right entities. e.g. UCP.....TBA. Republican Party....Tea Party.
 
David Amos
Reply to Ralph Steinberg  
Trust that Higgy does not care if everybody knows that
 
Ralph Linwood  
Reply to Ralph Steinberg 
Ironically these same groups consider themselves the defenders of freedom. Well the freedom they accept anyway!  
 
David Amos
Reply to Ralph Linwood  
Are you two a tag team?  
 
Ralph Linwood  
Reply to David Amos
Coalition , supply and confidence agreement?  
 
David Amos
Reply to Ralph Linwood  
Nope Trust that Mr Outhouse knows that I prefer to speak and run for public office and to litigate in Pro Se fashion Furthermore I definitely would never sign a confidence agreement particularly after dealing with crooked Yankee Treasury Agents in 2002  
 
 
 
Matt Steele 
The Anglophone East DEC has already spent over a quarter of a million dollars of the taxpayers cash on legal fees over policy 713 that they drained off from the school district budget ; money that was budgeted to run the schools . So now maybe they can push this legal fee slush fund that they have created to an even million dollars as this drags on . It is time to get rid of these DEC's as they really serve no purpose other than squandering taxpayer money , and draining off much needed funding from our schools . Meanwhile schools are out begging for money from donors so that they can buy books for school libraries ; and pay for morning breakfast programs so that children will have a little food in their stomachs when they start their school day .
David Amos
Reply to Matt Steele 
The dude who controls the purse strings is a former MLA with an agenda  
Ralph Skavinsky
Reply to Matt Steele 
You are right and I and many more I am sure are aware of the breakfast. DEC definitely have no license to press the government on this issue. 
David Amos
Reply to Ralph Skavinsky
I concur  
Ralph Linwood 
Reply to Matt Steele  
That was maybe something the government should have considered before taking this ill advised stance. 
Ralph Skavinsky
Reply to David Amos 
Yes, former Liberal MLA at that...
David Amos
Reply to Ralph Skavinsky 
I know the colour of coat Old Harry wears but every time I point it out you know what happens next
David Amos
Reply to Ralph Skavinsky 
You do know who I am correct?
Harvey York 
Reply to David Amos 
And who might that be? Please, do fill us all in. I can help if you'd like
David Amos
Reply to Harvey York  
I know you are Cardy 
 
 
 
 
Ralph Steinberg  
What is the fear of the Higgs party, and his supporters, of kids wanting to be call another name?
Ralph Steinberg 
Reply to Ralph Steinberg 
called. 
David Amos
Reply to Ralph Steinberg   
Governments use fear to rule the roost 
John Gray 
Reply to Ralph Steinberg 
Hogan can hit the curb come election and I'll gladly vote anything but conservative to achieve this at this point
Ralph Steinberg  
The other thing Higgs cannot stop, is the kids having their peers call them by the name they decide to be called, how is he or the parents going to control that, because this seems all about control?
David Amos
Reply to Ralph Steinberg 
True but how does that nonsense fit within any legal mandate? 
Johnny Kalibanos
Reply to Ralph Steinberg 
Nem, nir, ney 
Ralph Linwood   
Reply to Ralph Steinberg  
Teachers will use the child's chosen name regardless of the law. It is very rude / ign orant to not use a person's chosen name.
MR Cain
Reply to Ralph Linwood  
If a child prefers another, the teacher will comply.
Ralph Linwood   
Reply to MR Cain  
Indeed, it would be very rude not to. If a child's name is Mike but he looks like a Robert to me, I don't get to call him Robert.
MR Cain
Reply to Ralph Linwood 
How does a Robert look? sheesh    
Ralph Steinberg 
Reply to David Amos
Kids do not care about political mandates.....  
Ralph Steinberg  
Reply to Ralph Linwood  
Sorry, the kids get to decide what their peers and friends call them, the teacher is following what they are being told by Higgs. 
David Amos
Reply to Ralph Steinberg  
You kids maybe but not mine 
Ralph Steinberg 
Reply to David Amos
Sorry, the kid gets to do whatever he likes, not you. Just like if the kid wants to try a cigar, he will, out of sight of you.....etc etc.....kids have been doing it for eons........skipping school etc etc etc..... 
David Amos
Reply to Ralph Steinberg 
You do not have the first clue about my kids  
Ralph Steinberg  
Do they need permission to have a nickname? That is the end run around this.
David Amos
Reply to Ralph Steinberg  
What is your nickname? 
Ralph Linwood   
Reply to Ralph Steinberg 
My name is Michael but please confirm with my parents that I can be called Mike.  
Ralph Steinberg 
Reply to Ralph Linwood  
Or TJ, instead of Thomas Jane.......
David Amos

Reply to Ralph Linwood   
Methinks if you are making fun of the soon to be gone Minister Mikey perhaps he has the right to call you Rotten Ralphy N'esy Pas?  
Ralph Linwood   
Reply to Ralph Steinberg  
Joking aside, it would be demeaning to minimize such a big decision by calling it a nickname. No reason a child can not be called by their chosen name in school.
David Amos

Reply to Ralph Linwood 
Two Ralphys in one thread talking to each other Ain't that special???
Ralph Steinberg 
Reply to Ralph Linwood  
imho, not demeaning at all. It is a way the kid can be called what ever they want by friends and peers, without having to involve the parents etc......
David Amos
Reply to Ralph Steinberg  
I strongly disagree  
Ralph Linwood   
Reply to David Amos  
We're a small but vocal minority.😊
David Amos
Reply to Ralph Linwood  
Thats an understatement 
B Johnny Kalibanos
Reply to David Amos 
What if they identify as cats. ?
Ralph Steinberg 
Reply to David Amos
Weak antagonist says what?  
Ralph Linwood   
Reply to B Johnny Kalibanos 
You're referencing a debunked myth from flakebook? Regardless, it is not unreasonable to call a child by their chosen name. Would you like someone to choose the name they call you? 
MR Cain 
Reply to Ralph Steinberg   
Nothing to do with nicknames; sheesh 
MR Cain 
Reply to B Johnny Kalibanos   
Wrong class.   
David Amos
Reply to B Johnny Kalibanos
IMHO all the politicians should ID themselves as such
David Amos

Reply to Ralph Linwood  
I noticed that you replied only after my comment went the way of the Dodo Bird
Ralph Steinberg 
Reply to MR Cain
How do you miss my point? Do you even comprehend the issue here? If the kid wants to be called something else, he can have his friends etc, call him or her by the name they want, without the permission of anyone, and they can just tell the so called adults, that is their nickname to get by this draconian power grab Higgs and his supporters are pushing.

Wow.

Al Clark
Reply to B Johnny Kalibanos    
Ah yes, the litterbox fable. Another thing higgs and co went all in for with the usual zero info.
 
 
 
Daniel Franklin 
NB: Canada's Florida, apparently. 
David Amos
Reply to Daniel Franklin  
At least the weather is getting warmer
B Johnny Kalibanos  
Reply to Daniel Franklin
Taking some of the heat off Alberta. Both provinces will not follow the vv0kesy train.
David Amos
Reply to B Johnny Kalibanos
Amen   
Ralph Linwood 
Reply to B Johnny Kalibanos
I think one province trying to be trump lite is more than enough. 


 
Emmanuel Rochon
I guess that in NB, knowledge is not power. Why are people so afraid of certain body parts?  
David Amos
Reply to Emmanuel Rochon 
Surely you jest  
Emmanuel Rochon 
Reply to David Amos
NOPE. 
David Amos
Reply to Emmanuel Rochon  
What body parts do you think we are afraid of?
Emmanuel Rochon 
Reply to Emmanuel Rochon
Ask Higgs. He's the one who's afraid of letting people into schools to discuss body parts and how they can be used respectfully.  
David Amos
Reply to Emmanuel Rochon
You are the one who made the claim 
MR Cain 
Reply to Emmanuel Rochon
Probably because some are missing the important part between the ears.
David Amos
Reply to Emmanuel Rochon 
Seems that you are afraid to even name the parts eh?
 
 
 
G. Timothy Walton 
Here's hoping for a Liberal minority to end this regressive nonsense Higgs and Hogan are pulling.
David Amos
Reply to G. Timothy Walton  
I maintain that Higgy will win the minority 
Jack Bell 
Reply to G. Timothy Walton 
As opposed to the Liberals nonsense?   
 
 
 
Sandra Boudreau  
Mr. Higgs is trying to protect parental rights and our children. Good for him!!!!!
Cindy Sheppard 
Reply to Sandra Boudreau 
What is he protecting them from exactly? Proper sexual education, the ability to express themselves as they see themselves - please tell me what they need protection from? Why is everyone so scared of sexual education and gender identity? Ignorance is the only answer I have. Kids don't ask their parents these questions but they have the questions. You think kids aren't checking all this out on the internet anyway. At least this way they get the correct information. And it was grade 9 and grade 11 not exactly 6 year olds. Look around at the music industry, the movies, TV shows - sex is everywhere, a healthy understanding of it will create healthy adults with healthy relationships.
Graham McCormack
 
Reply to Sandra Boudreau  
LOL, he's rage farming. Sadly that has become the Cons playbook
David Amos
Reply to Graham McCormack  
Rage farming is taught in political science classes and found within the playbook of all political parties
Ralph Steinberg 
Reply to Sandra Boudreau 
Amusing, how is that happening, if the parents rageout on the kid coming out?
David Amos

Reply to Ralph Steinberg 
Do you find the editing amusing as well?
Ralph Linwood 
Reply to Sandra Boudreau
He is doing exactly the opposite. He is endangering a marginalized group to score political points. Shame on him!!!!! 
Daniel Franklin   
Reply to Sandra Boudreau 
Take the conservative blinders off 
Ralph Skavinsky 
Reply to Cindy Sheppard  
And maybe you are saying because it's 2024 it's alright?
John Gray 
Reply to Sandra Boudreau 
Lol tell that to the church of higgs. This province is getting ridiculous and I'll gladly vote holt in
David Amos
Reply to Ralph Linwood 
Now there is three Ralphys commenting in the same thread  Birds of a feather flock together eh?


  • What is the fear of the Higgs party, and his supporters, of kids wanting to be call another name?

    • Reply by David Amos.

    Governments use fear to rule the roost


  • Reply by Ralph Steinberg.

  • called.


  • Comment by Ralph Steinberg.

  • The other thing Higgs cannot stop, is the kids having their peers call them by the name they decide to be called, how is he or the parents going to control that, because this seems all about control?

    • Reply by David Amos.

    True but how does that nonsense fit within any legal mandate?


  • Comment by Ralph Steinberg.

  • Do they need permission to have a nickname? That is the end run around this.

    • Reply by David Amos.

    What is your nickname?


  • Reply by Ralph Linwood.

  • My name is Michael but please confirm with my parents that I can be called Mike.


  • Reply by Ralph Steinberg.

  • Or TJ, instead of Thomas Jane.......


  • Reply by David Amos.

  • Methinks if you are making fun of the soon to be gone Minister Mikey perhaps he has the right to call you Rotten Ralphy N'esy Pas?


  • Reply by Ralph Linwood.

  • Joking aside, it would be demeaning to minimize such a big decision by calling it a nickname. No reason a child can not be called by their chosen name in school.


  • Reply by David Amos.

  • Two Ralphys in one thread talking to each other Ain't that special???


  • Reply by Ralph Steinberg.

  • imho, not demeaning at all. It is a way the kid can be called what ever they want by friends and peers, without having to involve the parents etc......


  • Reply by David Amos.

  • I strongly disagree


  • Comment by Daniel Franklin.

  • NB: Canada's Florida, apparently.

    • Reply by David Amos.

    At least the weather is getting warmer


  • Reply by B Johnny Kalibanos.

  • Taking some of the heat off Alberta. Both provinces will not follow the vv0kesy train.


  • Reply by David Amos.

  • Amen


  • Comment by David Amos.

  • I bet Mr Outhouse has a smile a mile wide today


  • Comment by Emmanuel Rochon.

  • I guess that in NB, knowledge is not power. Why are people so afraid of certain body parts?

    • Reply by David Amos.

    Surely you jest


  • Reply by Emmanuel Rochon.

  • NOPE.


  • Reply by David Amos.

  • What body parts do you think we are afraid of?


  • Reply by Emmanuel Rochon.

  • Ask Higgs. He's the one who's afraid of letting people into schools to discuss body parts and how they can be used respectfully.


  • Reply by David Amos.

  • You are the one who made the claim


  • Comment by G. Timothy Walton.

  • Here's hoping for a Liberal minority to end this regressive nonsense Higgs and Hogan are pulling.

    • Reply by David Amos.

    I maintain that Higgy will win the minority


  • Reply by Jack Bell.

  • As opposed to the Liberals nonsense?


  • Comment by Sandra Boudreau.

  • Mr. Higgs is trying to protect parental rights and our children. Good for him!!!!!

    • Reply by Cindy Sheppard.

    What is he protecting them from exactly? Proper sexual education, the ability to express themselves as they see themselves - please tell me what they need protection from? Why is everyone so scared of sexual education and gender identity? Ignorance is the only answer I have. Kids don't ask their parents these questions but they have the questions. You think kids aren't checking all this out on the internet anyway. At least this way they get the correct information. And it was grade 9 and grade 11 not exactly 6 year olds. Look around at the music industry, the movies, TV shows - sex is everywhere, a healthy understanding of it will create healthy adults with healthy relationships.


  • Reply by David Amos.

  • Rage farming is taught in political science classes and found within the playbook of all political parties


  • Reply by Ralph Steinberg.

  • Amusing, how is that happening, if the parents rageout on the kid coming out?


  • Reply by David Amos.

  • Do you find the editing amusing as well?


  • Comment by Max Ruby.

  • Seems the voters will decide. Let the chips fall where they may. Mr. Higgs NBers are maxed out with the property tax hikes. Give NBers a break who have at least been in the same home 10+ years. My taxes went from $1500 to $6000 wages have not increased.

    • Reply by G. Timothy Walton.

    If you want a tax cut that means Irving and the forestry giants get one too. The only difference is you'll still be paying more, just not as much more, while they'll be enjoying an actual decrease in their taxes.

    You can thank Higgs for that little gift to the billion-dollar-profit corporations.


  • Reply by Jimmy Cochrane.

  • And you think a liberal government will solve this?


  • Reply by David Amos.

  • "Seems the voters will decide."

    IMHO That is the way the wicked game should be played out


  • Comment by SW Home.

  • The Gov't may see this as a win but so should the Education Council. This basically ensures that Hogan and Higgs can't force these changes through before the election meaning the incoming Gov't can squash these changes once they are sworn in taking over from the Cons.


  • Comment by MR Cain.

  • So now it has become an election issue.

    • Reply by Bobby Richards.

    Hasn’t it always been?


  • Reply by Cindy Sheppard.

  • More a deflection issue - from the real problems in this province.


  • Reply by David Amos.

  • I concur


  • Comment by Brent McMackin.

  • The DEC has violated their own code of conduct that they wrote let alone the Education Act, the Minister has no choice than to dissolve the entire council.

    • Reply by MR Cain.

    The minister had lots of choices; he chose the wrong one.


  • Reply by David Amos.

  • Nay not so


  • Reply by Ralph Linwood.

  • The DEC is standing up for what is right contrary to the Minister. Good for them.


  • Comment by Michel Pelletier.

  • NBers should just desolve the conservative gouvernment

    • Reply by Ralph Skavinsky.

    That could happen in October...we will have to wait and see how the voters feel should parents have any say in how they address their children's feelings toward their sexuality.


  • Reply by Gabriel Boucher.

  • It shouldn't even be politicized in the first place. Children have the right to self expression in this country. It's not up to the parents to decide for them. Period. The fact that these kids can't even cast a vote to even have their say is atrocious. Higgs's government is fully taking advantage of these poor kids for political points, and it's disgusting. He needs to resign, and so does Mr. Hogan.


  • Reply by David Amos.

  • Methinks we will be voting not long after Canada Day and not when the frost is the pumpkin N'esy Pas?


 
  • NB: Canada's Florida, apparently.

    • Reply by David Amos.

    At least the weather is getting warmer


  • Comment by David Amos.

  • I bet Mr Outhouse has a smile a mile wide today


  • Comment by Emmanuel Rochon.

  • I guess that in NB, knowledge is not power. Why are people so afraid of certain body parts?

    • Reply by David Amos.

    Surely you jest


  • Reply by Emmanuel Rochon.

  • NOPE.


  • Reply by David Amos.

  • What body parts do you think we are afraid of?


  • Comment by G. Timothy Walton.

  • Here's hoping for a Liberal minority to end this regressive nonsense Higgs and Hogan are pulling.

    • Reply by David Amos.

    I maintain that Higgy will win the minority


  • Comment by Sandra Boudreau.

  • Mr. Higgs is trying to protect parental rights and our children. Good for him!!!!!

    • Reply by Cindy Sheppard.

    What is he protecting them from exactly? Proper sexual education, the ability to express themselves as they see themselves - please tell me what they need protection from? Why is everyone so scared of sexual education and gender identity? Ignorance is the only answer I have. Kids don't ask their parents these questions but they have the questions. You think kids aren't checking all this out on the internet anyway. At least this way they get the correct information. And it was grade 9 and grade 11 not exactly 6 year olds. Look around at the music industry, the movies, TV shows - sex is everywhere, a healthy understanding of it will create healthy adults with healthy relationships.


  • Reply by Graham McCormack.

  • LOL, he's rage farming. Sadly that has become the Cons playbook.


  • Reply by David Amos.

  • Rage farming is taught in political science classes and found within the playbook of all political parties


  • Comment by Max Ruby.

  • Seems the voters will decide. Let the chips fall where they may. Mr. Higgs NBers are maxed out with the property tax hikes. Give NBers a break who have at least been in the same home 10+ years. My taxes went from $1500 to $6000 wages have not increased.

    • Reply by G. Timothy Walton.

    If you want a tax cut that means Irving and the forestry giants get one too. The only difference is you'll still be paying more, just not as much more, while they'll be enjoying an actual decrease in their taxes.

    You can thank Higgs for that little gift to the billion-dollar-profit corporations.


  • Reply by Jimmy Cochrane.

  • And you think a liberal government will solve this?


  • Reply by David Amos.

  • "Seems the voters will decide."

    IMHO That is the way the wicked game should be played out


  • Comment by SW Home.

  • The Gov't may see this as a win but so should the Education Council. This basically ensures that Hogan and Higgs can't force these changes through before the election meaning the incoming Gov't can squash these changes once they are sworn in taking over from the Cons.


  • Comment by MR Cain.

  • So now it has become an election issue.

    • Reply by Bobby Richards.

    Hasn’t it always been?


  • Reply by Cindy Sheppard.

  • More a deflection issue - from the real problems in this province.


  • Reply by David Amos.

  • I concur


  • Comment by Brent McMackin.

  • The DEC has violated their own code of conduct that they wrote let alone the Education Act, the Minister has no choice than to dissolve the entire council.

    • Reply by MR Cain.

    The minister had lots of choices; he chose the wrong one.


  • Reply by David Amos.

  • Nay not so


  • Comment by Michel Pelletier.

  • NBers should just desolve the conservative gouvernment

    • Reply by Ralph Skavinsky.

    That could happen in October...we will have to wait and see how the voters feel should parents have any say in how they address their children's feelings toward their sexuality.


  • Reply by Gabriel Boucher.

  • It shouldn't even be politicized in the first place. Children have the right to self expression in this country. It's not up to the parents to decide for them. Period. The fact that these kids can't even cast a vote to even have their say is atrocious. Higgs's government is fully taking advantage of these poor kids for political points, and it's disgusting. He needs to resign, and so does Mr. Hogan.


  • Reply by David Amos.

  • Methinks we will be voting not long after Canada Day and not when the frost is the pumpkin N'esy Pas?

 
 
 
 
 

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