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Methinks Premier Gallant and many other politicians should check my work within the EUB hearings in matters 357 and 375 ASAP N'esy Pas?

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/federal-carbon-tax-rebates-new-brunswick-1.4877178





Federal carbon tax rebates to N.B. families will be lowest in Canada

Federal tax will add millions to electricity costs, but those are excluded from consumer rebates



Robert Jones· CBC News· Posted: Oct 25, 2018 7:00 AM AT


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David Amos
David Amos
Why is it I am not surprised to read this?

"More than half of all NB Power costs are allocated to residential customers or wholesale customers who resell to residential customers and the utility indicated its intention is to pass the tax through to consumers through higher rates."

Methinks folks should check my work within the EUB in matter 357 and 375 N'esy Pas?








Rosco holt 
Darryl Smith
If one is to believe the plan that has been laid out by the drama teacher they are trying to socially engineer our behaviours through taxation. You see they realized it made people quit smokeing when they taxed the hell out of that. Now they think businesses will invest billions to reduce carbon emissions if they tax carbon. Here’s the kicker the businesses don’t pay tax the end user pays the taxes. Any accountant can explain how the costs get passed along. Every business’s goal is to profit, if costs go up so do prices that’s a simple fact.

From the people who brought you “the budget will balance itself” now we have this mess. If our Fredericton was worth a lick they would be working with Ontario to sue JTs libs


Shawn McShane
Shawn McShane
@Alex Butt Higgs said he would join lawsuit but then backpedaled.


David Amos
David Amos
@Shawn McShane 'Higgs said he would join lawsuit but then backpedaled"

Go Figure.









Rosco holt 
Anne Bérubé
Well, follow New Brunswickers, continue to vote liberal on the road to destruction. Good luck.


Jim Joe Jackson
Jim Joe Jackson
@Anne Bérubé Conservatism doesn't offer any hope anyway. Spending cuts and ignorance for science....woo!

David Amos
David Amos
@Jim Joe Jackson True









Arec Bardwin 
Arec Bardwin
So rebates. I guess it was never about reducing emissions anyway. Just Liberals moving money around from enemies to friends. Rest of Canada to Upper Canada. The cycle continues....


David Amos
David Amos
@Arec Bardwin YUP







Rosco holt 
Mario Doucet
Burn wood for heat, no carbon tax on that.

 
William Reed
William Reed
@Mario Doucet

It also has the added benefit of not reintroducing long ago sequestered carbon from the Earth's long carbon cycle.

Jim Joe Jackson
Jim Joe Jackson
@Mario Doucet Burning wood creates carbon emissions and it reduces forest cover that takes carbon out of the atmosphere. It is probably worse to burn wood.


Shawn McShane
Shawn McShane
@Jim Joe Jackson Its renewable. You can plant more trees.

David Amos
David Amos
@Shawn McShane True but methinks the Crown is paying Irving et al to just plant soft wood and that stuff is not very good to use to heat your abode with N'esy Pas?



David Amos
David Amos
@Jim Joe Jackson Good Point








Rosco holt 
Wally E. Bamberger
Now I understand why Trump was elected.


David Amos
David Amos
@Wally E. Bamberger Methinks it was not rocket science to figure that out Now if only the poor souls of Trudeau beloved peoplekind would consider a few things N'esy Pas?








Rosco holt 
William Reed
The intent here passes the PR green test, but we all suspect it will accomplish little to dissuade the consumers in our consumer society from pulling back. I can't see it producing more of a pinch than medium term interest rate hikes of 2%. To choke the consumer you cannot give him his money back. Carbon pollution is a disease of the affluent, so the cure must set us back in very noticeable fashion. I don't see that here. We' ll continue to see global emissions growth rates that are positive because affluence is growing on this planet and because our rapidly expanding technologies consume energy and fossil fuel laden resources without remorse. It really has nothing to do with growing renewable if everything else outpaces it, and that is exactly what we face with the desire for economic growth. We' d all be better off adopting minimalist lifestyles and having that ingrained in us by our mass media.


Shawn McShane
Shawn McShane
@William Reed The intent HERE does not pass the smell test.

David Amos
David Amos
@Shawn McShane Methinks it stinks N'esy Pas?








Rosco holt 
Harold Fitzgerald
The Liberals, promising to give you back a portion of your money, the money they taxed from you. You've got to be pretty stupid to buy into the Liberal's scam.


David Amos
David Amos
@Harold Fitzgerald YUP








Rosco holt 
Tim Redford
You get the government (and their policies) you deserve:

10 Libs from 10 NB seats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election_results_in_New_Brunswick


David Amos
David Amos
@Tim Redford Oh So True







Rosco holt 
Evan Day
Thank God for Robert Jones.


David Amos
David Amos
@Evan Day Dream on








Rosco holt 
Rosco holt
So those who heat themselves with electric will freeze to death.

Way to got Justin.

Not.....


David Amos
David Amos
@Rosco holt Methinks Mr Prime Minister Trudeau The Younger should have his lawyers check my work within the hearings of matters 357 and 375 before the EUB for the last year and a half N'esy Pas?







Federal carbon tax rebates to N.B. families will be lowest in Canada

Federal tax will add millions to electricity costs, but those are excluded from consumer rebates


Consumer rebates in New Brunswick from the federal carbon tax will be the lowest in the country. (Kerry Campbell/CBC)

Federal carbon rebates for New Brunswick households will not compensate consumers for increases caused to the cost of electric heat — one of the reasons rebate payments to individuals in the province next year will be the smallest in the country.

On Tuesday, the federal government announced it would be imposing a carbon pricing and rebate system on four provinces that it found did not adopt adequate plans on their own, including Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and New Brunswick.
In Moncton, local MP and Health Minister Ginette Petitpas Taylor told reporters a New Brunswick family of four will qualify for a $256 rebate under that system next year to compensate for increased carbon costs.


"I am very pleased that we have been able to put in place a system where New Brunswickers are not going to be paying anymore out of pocket," she said.



CBC News
Federal health minister on carbon tax in New Brunswick



Federal health minister Ginette Petitpas Taylor talks to CBC New Brunswick's Harry Forestell about the federal government's carbon tax and how it will apply to New Brunswickers. 1:14

But it's not clear $256 will be enough to cover all extra costs that consumers will face.

Across the country later in the day, Regina MP and Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale revealed families of four in Saskatchewan will be getting $609 rebates to cover their costs next year, 138 per cent more than New Brunswick families.

Large emitters


At additional press conferences, it was revealed more rebate money is also going to four person households in Manitoba ($339)  and in Ontario ($307) than will paid out in New Brunswick, a difference Pettipas Taylor struggled to explain.

"Those provinces are larger emitters of pollution — that is really why — so the big emitters will be paying more," she said in describing why rebates in New Brunswick will be so much lower.
That's not entirely the case.
Saskatchewan is a large emitter, but according to Environment and Climate Change Canada's National Inventory Report New Brunswick's economy produces 29 per cent more greenhouse gas per capita than Manitoba and 77 per cent more than Ontario.

Rebate program omission


A larger problem for consumers in New Brunswick is the rebate program announced this week does not include carbon taxes collected on electricity production — a significant source of carbon costs specifically to New Brunswick consumers.

New Brunswick is the only province among the four having the federal system imposed where a majority of consumers heat with electricity — much of it provided by a fleet of fossil fuel generators.

Last fall, in a report to the Energy and Utilities Board, NB Power estimated the cost of a $20 per tonne carbon tax imposed on it in 2019 will be between $30 million and $60 million, rising to more than $100 million by 2022 when carbon taxes reach $50 per tonne.


NB Power estimated the federal carbon tax could cost more than $100 million by 2022 when the price per tonne reaches $50. (Shane Fowler/CBC)
More than half of all NB Power costs are allocated to residential customers or wholesale customers who resell to residential customers and the utility indicated its intention is to pass the tax through to consumers through higher rates.
"The implications of a price on carbon could potentially result in significant increases in costs to NB Power," wrote the utility.

"The impact of carbon pricing could significantly alter how NB Power operates its generation fleet and could result in changes to future capital expenditures and the rates required to be charged to customers."

But the federal government has separated large emitters, like power plants, out from the consumer rebate program, placing them in a separate industrial category.

It has committed the carbon money collected from polluters in that category, including NB Power, will be returned to the province, but not to residents, according to Jack Aubry, a spokesman with the federal Department of Finance.

"Since these proceeds are collected from the emissions-intensive and trade-exposed industries … the government will not return the proceeds … to households, and instead will allocate the proceeds to support emissions reductions by industry in those provinces," wrote Aubry in an email to CBC News.

Petitpas Taylor said New Brunswick consumers would not pay "out of pocket" because of carbon pricing, but the low level of rebates and exclusion of electricity carbon costs from the new program suggest many in the province may well pay more.


About the Author

 


Robert Jones
Reporter
Robert Jones has been a reporter and producer with CBC New Brunswick since 1990. His investigative reports on petroleum pricing in New Brunswick won several regional and national awards and led to the adoption of price regulation in 2006.




https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/carbon-tax-new-brunswick-1.4874352

Feds reject New Brunswick carbon tax plan, impose new one

Provincial Liberals proposed shifting portion of gas tax to climate fund


Health Minister Ginette Petitpas Taylor announced the federal government's new carbon tax for New Brunswick on Tuesday. (Shane Magee/CBC)

The federal government will impose a carbon tax on greenhouse gas emissions in New Brunswick to fight climate change, rejecting a provincial plan as insufficient.

Ginette Petitpas Taylor, federal health minister and Liberal MP for Moncton-Riverview-Dieppe, said the plan presented by the provincial Liberals wouldn't sufficiently lead to emission reductions.

"I can tell you that it just did not meet the federal standards," Petitpas Taylor said Tuesday, though she wasn't able to offer specifics.
The provincial Liberals say they're reviewing the decision.

"It defies logic, the federal approach here," Andrew Harvey, the Liberal provincial environment minister, said in Fredericton. "We don't accept it at all."


Progressive Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs had vowed to fight the carbon tax. (CBC)


Progressive Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs had vowed to fight the carbon tax but had a different message Tuesday after learning the proposal could see some New Brunswickers get more in rebates than they pay for the tax.

"If New Brunswickers are getting more money than they're being taxed, then I'd have a hard time arguing about it," Higgs said.

Tax starts next year

The federal levy of $20 a tonne for large emitters begins Jan. 1 and would rise to $50 in 2022. A levy on fuel will be added in April.

The new tax system will impose the cost on fuel and production and distribution companies, which in turn will be passed along to consumers buying gasoline, natural gas and home heating.

The price of gas would increase 4.42 cents per litre in 2019, while natural gas used to heat a home would increase 3.91 cents per cubic metre, according to figures provided by the federal government.

But Petitpas Taylor said the federal government plans to return all of the revenue from the new tax system to the province.

Rebates

The plan will see energy users — both people and businesses — pay the higher taxes. But the rebates will only go to people, shifting the burden to businesses.

"For too long, Canadian families have had to shoulder the cost of pollution," she said. "No more. Our government is shifting the cost to those who actually pollute, which will directly benefit families."

Ninety per cent will be sent as rebates directly to individuals in the province when filing income taxes. ​The rebate amount depends on the size of a family.



CBC News
Federal health minister on carbon tax in New Brunswick



  Federal health minister Ginette Petitpas Taylor talks to CBC New Brunswick's Harry Forestell about the federal government's carbon tax and how it will apply to New Brunswickers. 1:14


In 2019, a single adult will receive $128. A second adult would receive $64, while a single parent would receive that amount for their first child. The payment would be $32 for each child.

Petitpas Taylor said the federal government estimates a family of four will pay an average of $207 and would get a $256 rebate in 2019.

The remaining 10 per cent would be directed to a fund to help pay for schools, hospitals, small and medium-sized businesses, municipalities, non-profit organizations and Indigenous communities to reduce their energy use.

Impact on businesses


Louis-Philippe Gauthier, director of provincial affairs in New Brunswick for the Canadian Federation of Independent Business, said the tax will directly impact small businesses.


Louis-Philippe Gauthier, director of provincial affairs in New Brunswick for the Canadian Federation of Independent Business, said the carbon tax will directly impact small and medium-sized businesses and its unclear if the rebate programs will be enough to help. (CBC)


"It's going to have an impact, that's for sure," he said, adding the rebate programs likely won't make up the difference.

He also wants to know whether there will be any impact on power rates.

Exemptions, rural credit


Exemptions from the carbon tax will be available to farmers and fishers for fuels.

Those living in rural areas of the province, defined as anywhere except the census metropolitan areas of Saint John and Moncton, will get an additional 10 per cent rebate. ​Petitpas Taylor said that's in recognition of the additional costs people in rural areas face for transportation.



CBC News
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau speaks on carbon tax plan


 Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said the federal government's carbon tax plan for provinces who have not met the federal guidelines will tax citizens and industry, but rebates will only go to people. 1:56



The federally imposed tax comes two years after provinces and Ottawa agreed to a carbon pricing strategy. Any provinces that implemented a carbon tax deemed insufficient by Ottawa would have a price imposed by the federal government.

That federal plan is now being imposed on Ontario, New Brunswick, Saskatchewan and Manitoba.
New Brunswick submitted its carbon pricing plan for federal review in the midst of the provincial election. The plan proposed redirecting 2.3 cents of the existing 15.5-cent-per-litre gas tax revenue into a fund for climate change projects.

The Liberals said it would effectively create a carbon tax that doesn't force drivers to pay more.

Liberals expressed confidence

The share of the gas tax would rise each year until 2022, reaching 11.6 cents out of 15.5.
The Liberals expressed confidence the plan would be approved.


Serge Rousselle, the former provincial environment minister, said earlier this year the federal government would go along with the New Brunswick plan. 


"I've said a number of times that we're confident when the moment comes to look at the New Brunswick plan, the federal government will see we're meeting their requirements," said former environment minister Serge Rousselle in January this year.

Doubts raised

But the lead author of a report by Canada's Ecofiscal Commission, a national think-tank formed in 2014 that supports carbon taxes, said the province's plan wouldn't measure up.

Dale Beugin told CBC in April that shifting gas tax revenue wouldn't be effective because it doesn't impose a higher cost on carbon dioxide emissions.

The report, called Clearing the Air, states carbon pricing creates a market incentive for people and companies to reduce emissions, from drivers buying more fuel-efficient cars to corporations investing in non-polluting energy.
With files from Jacques Poitras








https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/federal-carbon-tax-new-brunswick-gallant-1.4876850

Gallant Liberals ponder legal options after Ottawa rejects province's carbon tax

‘We’re not backing down until we’re told there’s nothing else we can do,’ Gallant says

Premier Brian Gallant said his government was considering all options, including legal ones, to defend the provincial carbon tax plan after Ottawa deemed it non-compliant. (CBC)

Premier Brian Gallant says his government is considering all its options, including legal action, to defend its carbon tax plan after Ottawa deemed it non-compliant and announced it will impose a federal levy.

New Brunswick is one of four provinces that were found non-compliant with federal standards, the Trudeau government announced Tuesday. Federal Health Minister Ginette Petitpas Taylor said in Moncton that the provincial plan wouldn't sufficiently lead to emission reductions.


Health Minister Ginette Petitpas Taylor announced the new tax being imposed on New Brunswick in Moncton on Tuesday. (Shane Magee/CBC)

On Wednesday, Gallant said he was "very disappointed" with the ruling and he will be briefed by the Department of Environment and Local Government on how to fight back or "rejig" the plan.
"We'll consider all options, including legal ones, if there's any ground to stand on," Gallant told reporters after question period in the legislature.

"We're not backing down until we're told there's nothing else we can do."

Gallant made no mention of joining the constitutional challenge from Ontario and Saskatchewan, both of which will see Ottawa impose its price on carbon Jan. 1. Manitoba is the other non-compliant province.

'Our plan did that'


The New Brunswick Liberals' plan would follow federal targets for heavy emitters but spare consumers a new tax. Instead, the plan proposes redirecting 2.3 cents of the existing 15.5-cent-per-litre gas tax revenue into a fund for climate change projects.

The share of the gas tax would rise each year until 2022, reaching 11.6 cents out of 15.5.
"We certainly believe fighting climate change is important," Gallant said. "We need to protect our environment for the next generation, but we need to do it in a way that we're ensuring economic growth for the province and that we're helping New Brunswick families who are struggling to get ahead.

"Our plan did that."

The premier said it's important to protect consumers as New Brunswickers pay one of the highest taxes on gas in the country.

The Gallant Liberals raised gasoline and diesel taxes in 2015 to offset slumping fuel prices, but the government has yet to revisit the issue after the markets rebounded.

Rebates for citizens


The federal plan will return 90 per cent of the revenue from the carbon tax to the province through rebates to citizens. The federal Liberals said the rebates will be, in most cases, higher than the extra costs incurred annually from a carbon tax.

 
The federal Liberals say an average household will come out ahead with their carbon tax plan, which will provide direct rebates to consumers. (CBC News)

The federal levy of $20 a tonne for large emitters begins Jan. 1 and would rise to $50 in 2022. A levy on fuel will be added in April.

The new tax system will impose the cost on fuel and production and distribution companies, which in turn will be passed along to consumers buying gasoline, natural gas and home heating.

The price of gas would increase 4.42 cents per litre in 2019, while natural gas used to heat a home would increase 3.91 cents per cubic metre, according to figures provided by the federal government.

The remaining 10 per cent would be directed to a fund to help pay for schools, hospitals, small and medium-sized businesses, municipalities, non-profit organizations and Indigenous communities to reduce their energy use. 

With files from Jacques Poitras and Shane Magee




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