https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/dieppe-council-pay-review-1.4876001
Dieppe eyes doubling mayor's salary
Recommendation would see mayor's pay jump to $78,000 by 2024
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JJ Carrier
Anyone who has a problem with a living wage fora mayor is full of crap
David Amos
@JJ Carrier Its a part time job
Mark Deckard
Time for a Moncton-Dieppe-Riverview Super City.
David Amos
@Mark Deckard Methinks many Maritmers always considered them to be one place anyway N'esy Pas?
June Arnott
These are part time jobs people! You joined to make a difference not make money remember
David Amos
@June Arnott So they say
June Arnott
Time to amalgamate people! As much as everyone hates it, amalgamation will save tons. Then the salaries will make sense as a full time job.
David Amos
@June Arnott YUP but methinks the Dieppe Mayor and his cohorts could lose their seats on the Gravy Train N'esy Pas?
Jim Joe Jackson
$74,000 is a little steep for a city of 25000. Although Dieppe is a fast growing city, so by 2024 it could be half the size of Moncton. Moncton should amalgamate with Riverview, since Riverview is basically residential and stagnant. Dieppe actually has industry, growing businesses and may well be larger than Fredericton by 2050.
David Amos
@Jim Joe Jackson "$74,000 is a little steep for a city of 25000"
YUP.
YUP.
Alex Butt
It's no wonder why New Brunswick went down the toilet. To think that the mayors and counsellors of these small mismanaged so called cities are worth that kind of salaries, that go up with inflation while the rest of us take home less and less every paycheck. Disgusting.
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David Amos
@Alex Butt Methinks they should get minimum wages for time worked in a part time job just like most of the folks they purportedly serve N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@David Amos Oh my I can't offer an opinion on wages?
Norman Albert Snr
Why do we need a mayor and council for every bus stop across the province. It goes to the gang mentality where one group with claim to a different identity must compete against another. Wages and benefits just one example. We could easily get by with far fewer entities.
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David Amos
@Norman Albert Snr Methinks the politicians must take care of their friends The Mayors of the all the bus stops are the ones who live among us. BTW your comment made me think of Conrad Black being appointed Lord of a British Subway Stop That sure upset Chretien N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Norman Albert Snr Methinks its strange that i can't reply to you talk of the Lord of a British Subway Stop and an old liberal N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
The relatively small increase for 2019 won’t require a tax hike according to The he mayor, okay I 2ill accept that.
However the almost doubling in five years time, most certainly will require a tax hike to cover.
Why did the mayor only focus on the short term, and not mention the long term consequences. Thst sounds like a cover up,
However the almost doubling in five years time, most certainly will require a tax hike to cover.
Why did the mayor only focus on the short term, and not mention the long term consequences. Thst sounds like a cover up,
David Amos
@Johnny Horton Methinks that even if it looks like a duck, walks likes a duck and quacks like a duck a politician will still claim that it must be a goose if it benefits him N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
Arms length? No bias? No influence?
City staff that answers to council, selects the committee and the mayor and council hsve the audacity to say that they purposely worked to not invite controversy.
Unbelievable.
City staff that answers to council, selects the committee and the mayor and council hsve the audacity to say that they purposely worked to not invite controversy.
Unbelievable.
@Johnny Horton I believe it
Doug Baston
Just as a point of reference, a city councilor in Portland, Maine - twice the population of Dieppe - makes a little over US$,6000 per year. And people line up to run for the office.
David Amos
@Doug Baston The State Reps in New Hampshire get about 100 bucks a year Compare that to our MLAs compensation
Bob Childerhose
Yes, Yes, Yes please pay this elected official a decent compensation to officiate over one of New Brunswick’s largest cities. In the grand scheme of things that salary is a drop in the bucket. If we want the best of the best to step up and assume this roll, then we need to have a attractive compensation package to attract them. A mayor of a city of this size, who would be full time, sinking his/her teeth into making Moncton the best city it can be, deserves north of 175,000/yr plus benifits IMHO. Just saying.
My uncle has a saying that is appropriate here, “if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys working for you”.
Being a tax paying New Brunswick’er, I have no problem spending my tax dollars on rewarding people who can do the best, for the most.
My uncle has a saying that is appropriate here, “if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys working for you”.
Being a tax paying New Brunswick’er, I have no problem spending my tax dollars on rewarding people who can do the best, for the most.
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David Amos
David Amos
@Bob Childerhose Gee I wonder where you work
Norman Albert Snr
@Bob Childerhose I just knew easy access to pot was going to be a problem. Little did I expect for it to show up here so quick.
David Amos
@Norman Albert Snr "Little did I expect for it to show up here so quick"
Methinks many folks have been smelling it in here for years They just didn't want to admit they knew what it smelled like until this week N'esy Pas?
Methinks many folks have been smelling it in here for years They just didn't want to admit they knew what it smelled like until this week N'esy Pas?
Charles Dunton
Is that the same lad that mandated uniligual signs? He deserves all the reward he can get.
David Amos
@Charles Dunton Methinks many a true word is said in jest N'esy Pas?
Matt Steele
Just another politician looking to fill his pockets at the taxpayers expense . N.B. only has a total population of around 750,000 which is really just the size of a medium sized city ; yet politicians here think that they should be paid big salaries for doing next to nothing . Sounds like the Mayor of Dieppe is taking a page from Brian Gallants play book....give me more money , money , money !
David Amos
@Matt Steele I much would want to be paid to do the job?
David Amos
@Matt Steele Methinks many folks will be relieved that CBC fixed my account this morning before I got on the phone again N'esy Pas?
Emery Hyslop-Margison
Dieppe should be amalgamated with Moncton and the municipal government eliminated. All of these municipal fiefdoms in New Brunswick need to go! We can't afford the waste and the patronage.
Bob Childerhose
@Emery Hyslop-Margison
Amalagamation is a BAD, idea. Ask Toronto or Ottawa how that worked out. Yes, totally different places, but when you try to roll it all together you will increase taxes, big time. The problem is, labor costs. (Unions). Police, firefighters, civic employees all want a bigger base and this adds massive benefits costs to, the tax payer. The footprint of the municipality now grows, and the dominate city will demand that the new area adheres to their requirements.
What were effective volunteer fire departments, now be will staffed with full time staff. Oh gee, those volunteer fire halls do not meet the FULL time firefighters housing requirements. So, tear down those buildings, and build new ones for the FULL time firefighters ($$$$). Is there suddently more fires to fight? No. Volunteer fire fighters are very effective, and have been the back bone on firefighting since time began. They volunteer, maybe get a few bucks, but most likely not. “If it aint’t broke, don’t fix it”. Why change it?
I have a hard time comprehending why any level of goverement is in the business, of being in business. For expample. The municipality does not need to own a garage full of snow plow equipment. How about tender that contract out to the private sector and let them preform that task. Goverment needs to govern. Not be in business.
Plenty of ways to revamp our tax dollar spending effectively.
Amalagamation is a BAD, idea. Ask Toronto or Ottawa how that worked out. Yes, totally different places, but when you try to roll it all together you will increase taxes, big time. The problem is, labor costs. (Unions). Police, firefighters, civic employees all want a bigger base and this adds massive benefits costs to, the tax payer. The footprint of the municipality now grows, and the dominate city will demand that the new area adheres to their requirements.
What were effective volunteer fire departments, now be will staffed with full time staff. Oh gee, those volunteer fire halls do not meet the FULL time firefighters housing requirements. So, tear down those buildings, and build new ones for the FULL time firefighters ($$$$). Is there suddently more fires to fight? No. Volunteer fire fighters are very effective, and have been the back bone on firefighting since time began. They volunteer, maybe get a few bucks, but most likely not. “If it aint’t broke, don’t fix it”. Why change it?
I have a hard time comprehending why any level of goverement is in the business, of being in business. For expample. The municipality does not need to own a garage full of snow plow equipment. How about tender that contract out to the private sector and let them preform that task. Goverment needs to govern. Not be in business.
Plenty of ways to revamp our tax dollar spending effectively.
David Amos
@Bob Childerhose Good Points Bob
Dieppe eyes doubling mayor's salary
Recommendation would see mayor's pay jump to $78,000 by 2024
Dieppe is considering doubling the mayor's pay over the next five years.
A citizens committee established in July to study mayor and councillor pay recommended increasing salaries starting Jan. 1, 2019, and increasing until 2024.
The mayor's pay would increase to $47,875 as of the new year from $35,825. It would continue to increase annually to $78,000 by 2024.
Council salaries would increase to $19,150 from $16,800 next year, and then rise each year to $31,200 by 2024.
Mayor Yvon Lapierre called the recommendation fair and spread over a "long" time.
"It addresses some of the major facts about the responsibilities for municipalities that have increased for the past 10 to 15 years," he said.
"The work of the mayor and council have changed over time."
Lapierre served as mayor from 1998 to 2005. He was elected again in 2012 and 2016.
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Michelyne Paulin, the chair of a citizens committee that reviewed Dieppe council salaries, outlines the group's recommendations at a council meeting this week. (City of Dieppe)He said he easily spends about 30 hours a week at city hall and many more hours at home reading material.
"As a mayor, the switch is always on," he said. "It doesn't matter where I am in the community, there's going to be discussions about our community."
The committee unanimously recommended the increase, its report states. The committee included Michelyne Paulin, Robert Frenette, Camille Belliveau, Isabelle McKee Allain and Jean‑Guy Vienneau.
"For the purpose of transparency, I think it was important that it was done by a citizens committee with members chosen by our staff," Lapierre said.
The committee report points to several reasons for the increase. Council salaries hadn't been reviewed in six years, an increase in the types of services city government performs, and a growing city population.
The population grew nine per cent between the 2011 census and 2016 census, reaching 25,384.
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Dieppe council established a committee to review salaries in July. The group's report was presented Monday. (City of Dieppe)Paulin, the chair of the committee who presented the report to council on Monday, said one of the biggest factors for its recommendation is a change by Canada Revenue Agency that means all of council's salaries are taxed.
Previously, about one third was not taxable, the mayor said.
Paulin said the tax change starting in 2019 will effectively result in a salary cut.
She said increasing salaries could make running for council more appealing to a wider variety of people, including young people and those with young families.
The committee used a compensation guide from the Association francophone des municipalités du Nouveau-Brunswick. The guide uses criteria such as population, services provided by the city, and institutions such as industrial parks, airports and schools in the community.
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The city is preparing its budget for 2019, when the mayor expects the tax rate will rise about one cent. The 2018 rate is $1.6295 per $100 of assessed value.
The mayor said the increase in salaries is not expected to require a larger tax rate increase.
"The tax rate increase has been in the forecast as part of our five-year plan," he said. "The salary increases for members of council will not impact that increase."
The mayor said council is expected to vote on the recommendation before the end of November.
He said the committee was set up to have a "hands-off" review of salaries in an effort to avoid controversy that ensued in a neighbouring city.
Moncton's council sparked controversy when behind-the-scenes efforts to boost its pay were revealed in 2016.
The mayor's pay in the city of 71,000 rose to $83,736.33 in 2017, an increase of $14,000. Councillor salaries increased to $33,494.53 from $24,789.72. Salaries are adjusted yearly in line with inflation.
In Fredericton, the mayor of the city of 58,000 receives a salary and allowances totalling $68,820.87, while councillors make $25,266.70.
Saint John, with a population of 67,000, last changed council salaries in 2016. The mayor's pay and benefits total $74,454 while councillors make $29,562.
In Riverview, a town of just under 20,000, salaries were increased ahead of the current council term.
The mayor's salary was set at $31,877.30, while council pay was set at $14,689.74. The salaries are adjusted for inflation.
A citizens committee established in July to study mayor and councillor pay recommended increasing salaries starting Jan. 1, 2019, and increasing until 2024.
The mayor's pay would increase to $47,875 as of the new year from $35,825. It would continue to increase annually to $78,000 by 2024.
Council salaries would increase to $19,150 from $16,800 next year, and then rise each year to $31,200 by 2024.
"It addresses some of the major facts about the responsibilities for municipalities that have increased for the past 10 to 15 years," he said.
"The work of the mayor and council have changed over time."
Lapierre served as mayor from 1998 to 2005. He was elected again in 2012 and 2016.
"As a mayor, the switch is always on," he said. "It doesn't matter where I am in the community, there's going to be discussions about our community."
The committee unanimously recommended the increase, its report states. The committee included Michelyne Paulin, Robert Frenette, Camille Belliveau, Isabelle McKee Allain and Jean‑Guy Vienneau.
Committee picked by staff
"For the purpose of transparency, I think it was important that it was done by a citizens committee with members chosen by our staff," Lapierre said.
The committee report points to several reasons for the increase. Council salaries hadn't been reviewed in six years, an increase in the types of services city government performs, and a growing city population.
The population grew nine per cent between the 2011 census and 2016 census, reaching 25,384.
Previously, about one third was not taxable, the mayor said.
Paulin said the tax change starting in 2019 will effectively result in a salary cut.
She said increasing salaries could make running for council more appealing to a wider variety of people, including young people and those with young families.
The committee used a compensation guide from the Association francophone des municipalités du Nouveau-Brunswick. The guide uses criteria such as population, services provided by the city, and institutions such as industrial parks, airports and schools in the community.
Dieppe's population grew almost nine per cent between the 2011 census and 2016 census.
Lapierre said he's heard positive reactions from people he's talked to in person, though he's read negative comments on social media.The city is preparing its budget for 2019, when the mayor expects the tax rate will rise about one cent. The 2018 rate is $1.6295 per $100 of assessed value.
The mayor said the increase in salaries is not expected to require a larger tax rate increase.
"The tax rate increase has been in the forecast as part of our five-year plan," he said. "The salary increases for members of council will not impact that increase."
The mayor said council is expected to vote on the recommendation before the end of November.
'Hands-off' approach
He said the committee was set up to have a "hands-off" review of salaries in an effort to avoid controversy that ensued in a neighbouring city.
Moncton's council sparked controversy when behind-the-scenes efforts to boost its pay were revealed in 2016.
The mayor's pay in the city of 71,000 rose to $83,736.33 in 2017, an increase of $14,000. Councillor salaries increased to $33,494.53 from $24,789.72. Salaries are adjusted yearly in line with inflation.
In Fredericton, the mayor of the city of 58,000 receives a salary and allowances totalling $68,820.87, while councillors make $25,266.70.
Saint John, with a population of 67,000, last changed council salaries in 2016. The mayor's pay and benefits total $74,454 while councillors make $29,562.
In Riverview, a town of just under 20,000, salaries were increased ahead of the current council term.
The mayor's salary was set at $31,877.30, while council pay was set at $14,689.74. The salaries are adjusted for inflation.