Two
years after Fredericton councillors beefed up its noise bylaw to tackle
loud motorcycles and cars, some say the problem persists, especially in
the downtown. (Shane Fowler/CBC)
Warm, sunny weather can be a good reason to enjoy lunch or dinner on a downtown restaurant's patio.
But
in Fredericton, patrons might have to eat their maple curry
chicken penne while listening to the din of motorcycles, cars and trucks
revving their engines.
"I would say that the issue is worse today
than it's ever been," said Stephen Chase, a former Fredericton city
councillor who served between 2008 and 2021.
Excessively loud
vehicles is an issue that councillors, including Chase, have railed
against for years, and in 2021 they tried to address it once and for all
by beefing up the city's noise bylaw.
Stephen
Chase, a former Fredericton councillor, said he's disappointed by how
few tickets police have issued for violations to the city's noise bylaw. (Shane Fowler/CBC)
The
bylaw was amended to quantify how loud was too loud for a motorcycle,
with a maximum of 92 decibels while idling and 96 decibels at any engine
speed above idle.
The bylaw was also updated to prohibit anyone from operating a vehicle that emits a sound that could disturb others.
Police
were later equipped with decibel-reading machines to go out and enforce
the bylaw. But more than two years since those changes were adopted,
police have issued a grand total of five tickets, including four in
2021, and just one so far this year.
"It's disappointing," said Chase.
"You
know, given the the major incidents of noise, I mean every day, at most
anytime during the day, you know, this unnecessary noise is evident."
CBC
News was not granted an interview with Fredericton Police Chief Martin
Gaudet about why the number of tickets issued is so low and whether
there are particular challenges around enforcing the bylaw.
‘Shame them’: People in downtown Fredericton are fed up with noisy vehicles
Duration 2:26
Despite recent bylaw changes, annoying drivers are still making a racket in downtown Fredericton.
In
an email, police spokesperson Sonya Gilks said a report of loud vehicle
noise is difficult to patrol, as the vehicle in question is often gone
by the time officers arrive.
"We understand people's frustration
with loud vehicle noise and while we do enforce it, it is as
resources — and priority of calls for service — permit," Gilks said.
Gilks
said police have had several traffic blitzes in the past several months
and will be doing more to target excessive vehicle noise, among other
traffic violations.
Fredericton's noise bylaw isn't the only law on the books in relation to loud vehicles for which police have issued tickets.
Statistics
from the police force show officers issued 12 tickets in 2021, five in
2022 and two tickets this year for "making unnecessary noise with
tires," which is an offence under the Motor Vehicle Act.
Police
also issued eight tickets in 2021, 11 in 2022 and nine in 2023 for
driving a vehicle without a "proper exhaust system," which is also a
Motor Vehicle Act offence.
Shame as a deterrent?
Mike
Babineau, owner of Rustico and a handful of other downtown restaurants,
said he had hoped the update to the bylaw would offer the teeth needed
to dampen the noise.
Mike
Babineau, owner of Rustico and other downtown restaurants, said the
only option left to tackle noisy vehicles might be to shame the people
who intentionally roar through streets. (Shane Fowler/CBC)
"It is pretty constant, you know, in the summer time," Babineau said.
He
said not much has changed since it went into effect, but he
also understands police officers might have their hands full with higher
priorities.
Babineau added that not all bikers are at fault, and
the only option left to deter the ones making excessive noise might be
in the hands of the general public.
"As much as we'd like to see a
handle on this, I think it's really up to us business owners and people
to really shame these bikers — the ones that are causing the issues,"
said Babineau, adding that could be through sharing photos and videos of
them in the act.
"You know, it's the ones that think that they're showing off in our downtown that really are making themselves look like fools."
Babineau...now THERES a reputable source of information.
David Amos
Reply to Akimbo Alogo
No doubt he knows all the gossip
Jodi MacKinnon
It's noise....there are so many more important
and pressing issues going on nowadays. All the bikers can come to
Nackawic on Sept 9 to the Big Axe Brewery...they are welcome there!
David Amos
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Reply to Jodi MacKinnon
Say Hey to the liberals for me will ya?
David Amos
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Reply to Jodi MacKinnon
Do ya think Higgy will turn up on his bike?
David Amos
Reply to Jodi MacKinnon
Too Too Funny
Myrna MacPherson
If you don't want city noise...move to the country. But I guess if you did that you'd complain about the smell of the cows!!!
David Amos
Reply to Myrna MacPherson
Of that I have no doubt
Le Wier
Reply to Myrna MacPherson
No the noise from the atvs, sxs and dirt bikes.
Brian Whippie
Reply to Myrna MacPherson
I live in the country. It's actually worse there, You
can hear them coming for 5 minutes before and after they go by going
100km/h in a 60 zone.
Then when one finally wraps himself around a tree, he
actually gets sympathy. Poor guy. What a shame. Our prayers are with
his family. "Look twice save a life" BS.
David Amos
Reply to Brian Whippie
Oh My My
TERRY HAY
I would rather the authorities spend more time trying to catch all the thieves than chasing noisy vehicles.
David Amos
Reply to TERRY HAY
Me too
Myrna MacPherson
As I said before I was censored. If noisy
vehicles are the only problem the police in Fredericton have to deal
with, I would agree with this article. The Councilor has complained
about this enough in the past. Maybe the citation about noise pollution
should land on his desk. How about letting the police worry about real
crime!
David Amos
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Reply to Myrna MacPherson
I am happy you got past the censor this time
David Amos
Reply to Myrna MacPherson
I tried and failed
Mark Atkinson
How will we know how big people's genitalia is
if we can't let them advertise it with their muffler? Women will be
wondering the streets lost and aimless, searching for the well endowed
fella with the lift kit. They need the sounds to find the best mates to
breed with
David Amos
Reply to Mark Atkinson
Nay not so
Jodi MacKinnon
Reply to Mark Atkinson
Just as many female riders with loud bikes out there nowadays!
David Amos
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Reply to Jodi MacKinnon
Yup
David Amos
Reply to Jodi MacKinnon
What colours do they wear?
Shawn Tabor
Soon everything will be electric and gas will
be 4 dollars a litre. Motor bikes included. Torque of the motor and the
way it is designed will not let you squeal the tires. The end
David Amos
Reply to Shawn Tabor
My son has an electric Harley
Shawn Tabor
Reply toDavid Amos
Really, i did know that they even made them
yet. I am in the North now, back home just before Balloon Fiesta. Would
like to ask you something if i could. Take care Gandoeff.
Lorelei Stott
look forward to how that works for you Mike after this article, keep us posted
David Amos
Reply to Lorelei Stott
Mikey is just playing the game and getting free advertising
Dave Kliveland
You can’t shame folks that have no common
sense, they will just see it as a challenge to get a little more
attention. Most bikes are hard to hear above the whining noise
Frederictonions make.
David Amos
Reply to Dave Kliveland
Oh So True
Douglas James
Noisy motorcycles are simply a cry for
attention. Look at me! Look at my great motorcycle! Aren't I cool?! Same
with people in cars with their windows wide open and the bass on their
music system needlessly thumping with the beat.
David Amos
Reply to Douglas James
So you say However if you heard a loud
motorcycle coming down the road you would be less tempted to pull out in
front of him Correct?
Dave Kliveland
I get some claim loud pipes help to prevent
accidents but from experience as a driver and a rider hi-vis clothing is
much more effective, you might not look as cool but it’s effective.
David Amos
Reply to Dave Kliveland
You doubt my experience?
Sarah Brown
Reply to Douglas James
That’s a pretty sweeping generalization. Maybe people just like a louder music.Big deal.
Wendy Simon
Why are these rockets even allowed on the road?
Cars with tinted glass on the driver's side and spoilers to make the
cars loud enough to wake the dead in Singapore! How do they pas
inspection?
David Amos
Reply to Wendy Simon
Ask Minister Austin
Louis Léger
Every week I see/hear on average 4 of these
people, and I don't even drive around that much. That means,
statistically, a police officer out on patrol would also come across
them every week. Why they aren't ticketed is beyond me.
David Amos
Reply to Louis Léger
Could it be they are well connected with the "Powers That Be"???
John Montgomery
Maybe people just like the sound? I happen to enjoy the
sound that a Harley makes. Also, there are practical reasons, high
flow mufflers are less restrictive and therefore give you more
horsepower.
Traffic noise is part of being in a city. There are
many, many wonderful eating places off the beaten path in New Brunswick
that would love to have your patronage, maybe try one if the noise
bothers you?
Wendy Simon
Reply to John Montgomery
If they like the sound they can rev it in their own yard and not impose it on others.
John Montgomery
Reply to Wendy Simon
Even if they live next to you?
Mark Atkinson
Reply to John Montgomery
Lots of lovely back roads you can go cruise
down. The only reason to drive a motorcycle downtown is to either grab a
bite to eat or to be seen/heard. If you are truly going out for a rip
why would you head straight for stop and go traffic? It's so you can rev
your engine, you know it and I know it
David Amos
Reply to Mark Atkinson
Well put
John Montgomery
Reply to Mark Atkinson
Part of the fun of these cars *is* stop and go. Because they go like a rocket.
Many of them aren't even geared to drive at highway speed.
John Montgomery
Reply to Mark Atkinson
Also, when you put so much money into a vehicle you tend to want to use it for anything you need to do.
James Gallagher
I just watched the video. It's just normal
acceleration through an intersection or down a street. Also, how much
did they pay the guy in the truck to drive by more then once?
David Amos
Reply to James Gallagher
I am glad somebody noticed
Jim Beam
Reply to James Gallagher
He likely does laps around town since he has no
real hobbies other than annoying unwilling pedestrians with his
obnoxious vehicle.
Louis Léger
Reply to James Gallagher
Pay? These people are constantly out here on purpose! I've personally seen that truck multiple times. Welcome to Fredericton.
James Gallagher
Reply to Louis Léger
So he works or lives in town. Big deal,
James Gallagher
Remember when Bathurst NB tried this. It failed, they lost millions in revenue for year.
David Amos
Reply to James Gallagher
Please elaborate
James Gallagher
Reply to David Amos
Back in the early 2000's Bathurst NB did some
thing similar. Many bikers would no longer come to the city. They would
boy-cot the gas stations, the hotels and restaurants. When the
repealed this noise bylaw they summer revenue went up to almost 5
million or more if I remember correctly.
David Amos
Reply to James Gallagher
Wow
Fred Brewer
The law should be changed so that a municipal police
force is allowed to keep the revenue from motor vehicle tickets. Said
revenue to be directed to the city coffers as general revenue.
I would expect we would see a lot more tickets being
handed out for all types of motor vehicle violations such as cell phone
use while driving, speeding, red light running and excessive noise etc.
It would be win-win.
David Amos
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Reply to Fred Brewer
Dream on
Jim Beam
Reply to Fred Brewer
Let's turn the police force into a business!
Fred Brewer
Reply to Jim Beam
Excellent suggestion. Might as well get some return on the cost of policing.
Jodi MacKinnon
Reply to Fred Brewer
It's noise....there are so many more important
and pressing issues going on nowadays. All the bikers can come to
Nackawic on Sept 9 to the Big Axe Brewery...they are welcome there!
Fredericton is just wanting to be a stuffy, stuck up town...which is
exactly what it is becoming!
Jodi MacKinnon
Reply to Jodi MacKinnon
sorry, that wasn't specifically for you Fred Brewer! lol
David Amos
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Reply to Jim Beam
I remember reading the expression "In service
of our clients" painted on their cop cars and wondered who those clients
were as they illegally seized my Harley
Matt Steele
If all Fredericton has to worry about is a few noisy vehicles , then they are doing well . Given the state of homelessness , drug addiction , and rising crime rates ; a few noisy vehicles should be the least of their worries . The police have a lot more important issues to deal with than traffic tickets , and checking mufflers .
David Amos
Reply to Matt Steele
No doubt my fellow motorcyclist Higgy agrees with you
Corrie Weatherfield
get the motor vehicle act changed so whenever
an MVI is done there is a decibel check on exhaust noise required . . .
?? and then of course, the offenders would just change system before
and after MVI but it might help some
David Amos
Reply to Corrie Weatherfield
Just what we need More Laws
Fred Sanford
How about shaming the police into doing their job?
David Amos
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Reply to Fred Sanford
Good luck with that
Toby Tolly
my neighbors music was going right thru my house
i started waking him up with something twice as loud for twice as long
he stopped quickly. ...
David Amos
Reply to Toby Tolly
Turnabout is fairplay
Jim Beam
Articles like this are exactly the type of
thing these jokers are after. They see it makes you mad and they love
it. Sit on a patio on a nice day, you'll notice these guys with
obnoxious motor cycles just do laps around down town, their hobby is
making you uncomfortable. It's a joke
David Amos
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Reply to Jim Beam
This article is a joke to me just like your name is
Mike Girouard
Reply to Jim Beam
Small sporty vehicles also a problem, they even replace their mufflers to increase the noise level.
Al Clark
Reply to Jim Beam
A couple of 5# rocks can do wonders
David Amos
Reply to Al Clark
You should know
Alison Jackson
You show a motorbike, but trucks and Honda Civics with oversized mufflers are usually the main culprits.
David Amos
Reply to Alison Jackson
Sometimes
Mike Girouard Reply to Alison Jackson
It must be awful for the campers along the Shediac main street.
Alison Jackson
Reply toMike Girouard
Who camps along Shediac's main street?
Greg Caddell
I see no reason why the majority of the
downtown streets couldn't be closed to vehicle traffic for the summer
months with exceptions. It's going to happen eventually, let's face it.
Why not get ahead of the curve? Leave the exhibition grounds as a giant
parking lot and start investing in secure bike/ebike/escooter racks all
over town. That would fix the noise problem, the TC trail connection
dilemma, the exhibition grounds debate and greatly improve traffic and
pedestrian/rider safety in Fredericton. We're a seasonally
walkable/bikeable city.
James Hartley
Reply to Greg Caddell
Agree 100%. George Street by the Boyce Farmers'
Market has been a great pedestrian area while the construction has been
going on.
David Amos
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Reply to Greg Caddell
Are you serious?
Joseph Godin
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Reply to Greg Caddell
Ok genius. How does one have access to the
Westmorland Bridge since it goes "Downtown"? Queen Street, Westmorland
Street, York Street....
Greg Caddell
Reply to Joseph Godin
Obviously there are routes that would have to
remain open to vehicle traffic year-round. There are a lot of other
streets, or even just one direction of a street, that could be
transformed into routes for bikes & ebikes etc. for the warmer
months.
Matt Steele
Reply to Greg Caddell
Why stop there , why not ban vehicles
everywhere in the city , what makes the downtown different than anywhere
else in the city ?
David Amos
Reply to Joseph Godin
Good Question
Greg Caddell
Reply to Matt Steele
I did not say ban, but alter traffic patterns
seasonally. Downtown there are buildings that do not absorb sound,
vehicles idling in traffic and a concentration of human beings with ears
and lungs, as per the article. Perhaps you have a suggestion or
positive contribution on the subject.
Douglas James
Noisy motorcycles are one thing...speeding cars
and red light runners quite another. The CBC should do a story on that
issue in Saint John where there appears to be little or no traffic law
enforcement. The city doesn't get the money from traffic fines so they
don't want to spend any money on public safety. They have lowered speed
limits on some streets thinking that will solve the problem. It hasn't.
Chesley Drive is just one example of a street where one often sees
vehicles travelling at up to 100 km/hour in a 50 km zone. Put in an RTI
and see how few tickets have been issued on that issue in this city over
the last two years.
Tristis Ward
Reply to Douglas James
You might be underestimating an employment
problem. If a city has a policing issue, they might prioritize what
policing is done based on the level of threat to the public.
Douglas James
Reply to Tristis Ward
We have the largest police force in Canada for a
municipality of its size. While it's true the city council reduced the
force a bit in the last budget, it has never enforced traffic violations
because the province takes all the money from the fines. At one point
they split it, but Higgs wants it all. This is, nevertheless no excuse
for not enforcing the law and ensuring public safety. When I wrote to
Saint John city council and asked them to support red light traffic
camera legislation, the first thing the then city manager John Collins
said was, "We don't even know yet who will get the money for the fines",
clearly indicating that money comes before public safety. I've been
back in Saint John for 8 years and have not once seen a car pulled over
for a traffic violation.
David Amos
Reply to Tristis Ward
I agree
Ronald Miller
Reply to Douglas James
I wondered if someone would try to bring Higgs
into this, I was not disappointed. I think it is Higgs' fault we are
getting all this rain today.
Matt Steele
Reply to Douglas James
Probably because the police are busy doing
actual policing , and not wasting time on traffic tickets . Maybe you
haven't noticed , but drug addiction is out of control ; and a young man
was murdered a few days ago that was linked to drugs on King Street in
Saint John . Are traffic tickets more important than people being
murdered ?
Douglas James
Reply to Douglas James
Yeah, sure. Saint John has one of the biggest
police forces in Canada. The alleged perpetrator in the murder to which
you refer was arrested within hours...ironically at a police traffic
stop. The drug problem is getting plenty of attention. The question "Are
traffic tickets more important than people being murdered?" is
nonsensical in its simplicity. Are the lives of people killed by drunk
drivers or red light runners or speeders less valuable than those who
are murdered? Obviously not. At least not in the minds of most rational
people in society.
Douglas James
Reply to Douglas James
That should read one of the biggest police forces in Canada for a city of its population.
June Arnott
Police wont do much, people can use drugs openly all over NB so why care about a noisy car?
Alison Jackson
Reply to June Arnott
Huh? How are those two things related?
Tristis Ward
Reply to June Arnott
Drugs that are legal, such as alcohol and pot.
You can't snort cocaine at a restaurant and not find yourself unarrested.
David Amos
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Reply to June Arnott
Bingo
Akimbo Alogo
Reply to Alison Jackson
Theres no enforcement of the law. Try to keep up
Lorraine Morgan
Motorcycles don't have to be noisy. If all
cities had the law, eventually the makers of these testosterone-fuelled
party squeakers may tone them down. Electric Harleys I say!
David Amos
Reply to Lorraine Morgan
Yes and no For instance My son owns an Electric
Harley but he also owns a High Performance Aprilia which is noisy by
nature, Need I say that the apple don't fall from the tree?
David Amos
Reply to Lorraine Morgan
BTW Chase and I went to High School together Trust that he and the cops are very familiar with my motorcycle reputation
David Stairs
when one passes a law that requires enforcement
one also has to put in place enough personnel to effect that
enforcement otherwise the law is useless...hire more police...problem
fixed...
David Amos
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Reply to David Stairs
Yea right
Shawn Tabor
LOL more to think about then noice, but i work
or spend half my time in an extremely noisy confined environment, after
the blast we get to see the fruits of our labor. Everyone loves their
computers, phones and gadgets. How do i know, your communicating on it
now correct. Have a great safe day
David Amos
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Reply to Shawn Tabor
Remember my Harley?
Mary Currie
I think there are more important things that
need to be a priority - speeders, red light runners, those who ignore
yield signs - just to name a few.
David Amos
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Reply to Mary Currie
I agree
David Amos
Reply to Mary Currie
Believe it or not loud bikes have saved a lot of lives
Al Clark
Reply to David Amos
Not. The pipes face the wrong way. Try your horn button.
Rusty Shackleford
Laws are only good if cops are around to enforce them. And they're not. Pretty simple.
David Amos
Reply to Rusty Shackleford
Yup
Robert Fish
Meh...they buzz for three months then they go
back into the garage and its over till next year. Is it irritating. Yup.
Inconsiderate? Yup....but its not year round. Focus on things that
matter.
David Amos
Reply to Robert Fish
Good point
JOhn D Bond
Fun fact, to issue these tickets you need more
enforcement officers. Are the citizens willing to add 100-200 a year to
the tax bill to hire a dozen or so additional officers to deal with
this. If not, what is the trade off?
Jos Allaire
Reply to JOhn D Bond
I don't like them either, but police officers are
overwhelmed. They have their hands full dealing with major crimes.
Hiring more officers would cost the city much more than the money these
fines could bring in.
These noise makers think that it makes them look macho while it makes them look foolish.
Glenn O'Halloran
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I was in Fredericton on my Indian Scout last
week, and decided to go downtown one day to pick up some of
Fred'sville's yummy treats -- Donairs, samosas . . . . I saw/heard a
couple of loud bikes in the short time I was in the area, which didn't
have to be so. It takes a certain type of fool to think they're
impressing anyone by revving for loudness when it's too simple to just
idle past and not irritate everyone. Added bonus? Lots of comments on
what a nice bike I have, and a couple even thanked me for not revving
the bejeebus out of it. :< >
David Amos
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Reply to Jos Allaire
Surely you jest
David Amos
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Reply to Glenn O'Halloran
The last time went to dinner in Freddy Beach
the Fat Fred City Finest illegally seized my Harley then falsely accused
me of possessing stolen property
David Amos
Reply to Glenn O'Halloran
The last time I went for meal in Freddy Beach Chief Gaudet was the Corporal in charge of seizing my Harley
It's
been more than three years since Fredericton Police have issued loud
drivers a ticket, of even a warning, for excessive noise. That's despite
CBC News recording several drivers squealing their tires and revving
loud engines in the span of just a few hours. (Shane Fowler/CBC)
Loud drivers found screeching their tires in downtown Fredericton, are seemingly free to carry on.
The
Fredericton Police Force have not issued a single ticket or warning, to
any driver making excessive noise since at least 2013.
That's
despite CBC News recording several raucous drivers revving engines
and squealing tires in the span of just a few hours Friday afternoon.
"It
is a problem," said Sgt. Justin LeBlanc of the Fredericton Police
Force. "And we do get several complaints a year for noisy drivers."
Loud motorcycles often make up the majority of noise complaints,
though many bikers do drive sensibly without excessive noise. (Shane
Fowler/CBC)
Statistics
from a pair of Right to Information Requests filed by CBC News show
that zero tickets have been issued to drivers or bikers for excessive
noise since Jan. 1, 2014.
"It's been years since I've issued a ticket myself," said LeBlanc. "And I would say it's because the laws just aren't there."
LeBlanc
says the only noise bylaw in the Motor Vehicle Act, is mostly in
reference to mufflers and exhaust systems. The city's bylaw concerning
noise violations is mostly used in response to rowdy domestic
situations such as house parties.
"It's a subjective section so it's tough to enforce," says LeBlanc. "And it makes it difficult to obtain a conviction.
"I would say it's a gap in the system,"
Failed changes
The
City of Fredericton did attempt to close that gap in 2013 with
modifications to bylaws that would target loud engines, especially
motorcycles, which LeBlanc suggests are still the biggest culprits.
The
City of Fredericton attempted to change the noise bylaws in Fredericton
but it was voted down in 2013 surrounded by large protests from bikers. (CBC)
Those changes were voted down by a slim margin, much to the delight of bikers, and it appears there may not have been a single ticket, or even a warning written since.
Allowed to be loud: Fredericton Police haven't ticketed noisy drivers in years
There hasn't been a ticket or a warning, issued to any drivers making excessive noise in more than 3 years
Shane Fowler · CBC News · Posted: Jul 10, 2017 6:00 AM ADT