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RCMP warn against vigilantism as they investigate series of Deer Island incidents

Warning comes after car was heavily damaged by a group and a building was destroyed in a 'suspicious' fire

Police "do not condone the public taking policing matters into their own hands," New Brunswick RCMP spokesperson Cpl. Stéphane Esculier said in a statement Wednesday.

"Doing this puts themselves and others in their communities at risk, including someone being seriously injured or killed, or facing arrest and legal proceedings for their own actions."

The warning comes as investigators from the St. George detachment are on Deer Island, with members from specialized units, such a forensic identification and community crime reduction, on their way, Esculier told CBC News.

"We're definitely dedicated to conduct the investigation fully."

Started late Tuesday night

The series of incidents started Tuesday, shortly after 11 p.m., when RCMP received a report of a disturbance at the ferry terminal on Deer Island, said Esculier.

A car was "heavily damaged by a group of unknown individuals" and returned to the mainland. There, St. George officers spoke to the people whose car was damaged. 

About an hour later, police were called about a fire at an "abandoned residence" on the island, Esculier said.

"According to preliminary investigation, it would appear that the fire would be suspicious in nature, most likely criminal."

Then, on Wednesday, around 10:30 a.m., police received a report of a theft of fuel at the ferry terminal on Deer Island.

No officer stationed on island for years

Esculier could not immediately comment on reports of alleged vigilantism by local residents over recent thefts, which have included everything from gas and batteries to fishing equipment and lobsters, according to some people CBC has spoken to.

It's all part of the investigation, he said, noting it could be a lengthy one. Anyone with any information about the incidents can call St. George RCMP or Crime Stoppers. 

Esculier confirmed an RCMP officer used to be stationed on the island but not for "a few years." Calls are handled by St. George instead. He could not immediately say why.

A small vehicle ferry approaches the shore. Deer Island is cut off from the mainland between 11 p.m. and 6 a.m. when the ferry stops running. (Robert Gallant)

It takes about 20 minutes to drive from St. George to Letete to catch the ferry to Deer Island. The crossing takes about  20 minutes, according to the Department of Transportation's website.

Roughly 700 people live on the 45-square-kilometre island.

"Even if there's no officer present 24 hours a day … there's always RCMP officers that are in position to respond to urgent priority calls," Esculier said.

Asked about the fact the island has no ferry service between 11 p.m. and 6 a.m., he said RCMP can commission the ferry after-hours, if necessary.

Investigations take time

Esculier said he understands "there's definitely frustration" about crime rates in affected communities but said RCMP take all reports of crime seriously.

"Sometimes investigations take longer than what the public may believe" they should, he said. But police have follow a process to gather enough evidence to support any charges. 

"We need communities and citizens to work together with us — legally and safely — in order to protect everyone."

Residents 'got fed up ... had enough'

Volunteer fire Chief Dwayne Richardson said the "back history" is that residents believe a growing number of people who use drugs, including some who steal things, come and go from the island.

"This group of people stands out as problem people, and every time they show up, you know, there's stuff being stolen from the wharves — whether it's gas cans, or batteries, or inverters off the vessels," Richardson said. "You know, it's obvious when they arrive on Deer Island that things are going missing.

"They felt that they had immunity, either from the people or from the law. And I guess the people of the island just got fed up [Tuesday] night and had enough of it."

Firefighters were called just after midnight Tuesday to a fire at a location where the alleged lawbreakers stay "intermittently," said Richardson, noting some tents were also in the yard.

By the time crews arrived, the "old house" was in flames.

"It was beyond doing, you know, anything with," Richardson said. "So it was basically just a defensive operation and just keep it from spreading into the woods."

Seventeen firefighters battled the blaze until just after 4:30 a.m.

The house and small structure behind it both burned to the ground.

Nobody was there at the time, said Richardson.

Island 'a lot different' than it used to be

He said it was his understanding that the people who normally stay there were met coming off the ferry about an hour earlier by 30 to 40 local residents.

The residents had a discussion with them, and then the ferry, which had stopped running for the night, made an extra run to return the people to the mainland, according to Richardson.

This is the first [time] in my life that something this drastic's happened.
- Dwyane Richardson, volunteer fire chief and resident

"This is the first [time] in my life that something this drastic's happened," he said.

Richardson, 54, a married father of two grown sons, has lived on Deer Island his whole life.

"Things are a lot different than they used to be when I grew up here and even, you know, when my kids were smaller," he said.

Drugs are "more and more readily available."

"And it's like anything in a small area, you know, everybody knows your business and … who's doing what."

The lack of onsite policing is a concern for some residents, said Richardson, who described himself as being among those "frustrated."

"We're a remote community, you know, with a ferry that runs from six in the morning till 11 o'clock at night, so if something happens like this, you know, there's no police readily available," he said.

"I think people want to be treated equally … whether it's policing, or whatever it is."

 
 
 
73 Comments
 
 
 
David Amos
It appears to me the residents dealt with trouble the cops refused to do anything about. Now the cops will cause more trouble. 
 
 
 
David Amos
The RCMP dude just claimed on the radio that they read what is posted online.

Too Too Funny EH?
 
 
 
David Amos
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The plot thickens  
 
 
 
David Amos
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Deer Islanders 'all happy' after alleged vigilantism rids island of accused thieves, says senior

Diane Bustin, 65, says she and other residents feel safer with 'hoodlums' gone

Bobbi-Jean MacKinnon · CBC News · Posted: Jul 13, 2023 4:24 PM ADT

 
 
 
John White
Luckily we can be more candid than the RCMP spokesperson. The reason there is not any RCMP presence on the island is to save money.  
 
 
David Amos
Reply to John White  
Times have changed In 1982 the RCMP wanted to spend more money 
 
 
 
 
Andrew Martin 
The status header of this article says it was updated 7 hours ago, however, they've changed the photo of the ferry within the last 2 hours.  
 
 
Pete Parent 
Reply to Andrew Martin   
yes and? 
 
 
Andrew Martin  
Reply to Andrew Martin  
Lol...."And".... their system of informing their audience to the accuracy of their reporting is flawed. 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Andrew Martin 
Bingo




Harvey York  
"Even if there's no officer present 24 hours a day … there's always RCMP officers that are in position to respond to urgent priority calls," Esculier said. A 20 minute car ride in addition to a 20 minute ferry ride PLUS the time it takes to "commission" the ferry (if after hours) doesn't really sound like excellent response time to an urgent priority call to me. 
 
 
David Amos
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Reply to Harvey York 
The RCMP don't consider you a priority either  
 
 
 
 
George Mrinos
I think it's funny the RCMP are threatening the citizens who are fed up by the criminals getting free reign and they didn't stop the problem.

So now they want to go after the citizens who are making their community safer.

 
David Amos
Reply to George Mrinos 
I don't find it funny but I do enjoy watching the cops stumble around and double talk
 
 
Robert Fish 
Reply to David Amos
They can only do what the law allows. If you have a problem with that go talk to Higgs and Feds. I say tougher penalties. First time caught dealing 8 years. 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Robert Fish 
Why not ask the Feds or Higgy why I was arrested?
 
 
 
 
Richard Morin  
The ferry shown in article is not the ferry from Letete to Deere island. It is the ferry that runs from Deere Island to Campobello Island. The two are vastly different in many ways and this picture creates a false impression of the actual ferry service to the island  
 
 
Andrew Martin 
Reply to Richard Morin
I noticed that too, then i refreshed the page and noticed they changed the photo, yet the header at the top of this article says it was last updated 7 hours ago.... hmmmm. 
 
  
David Amos
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Reply to Andrew Martin
The original is recorded in my blog  
 
 
 
 
james taylor  
Check out "Grand Manan Riots" 2006 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to james taylor  
I dealt with it then 
 
 
Harvey York 
Reply to David Amos
sure you did 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Harvey York  
You know I did  
 
 
 
 
Rhys Philbin
RCMP warn???

What are they going to do?

 
David Amos
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Reply to Rhys Philbin 
Cut back on donuts for a bit  
 
 
 
 
Murray Brown 
This likely a case of 'everybody' in town knows who the criminals are... Except the RCMP? Most drug dens, crack houses and the criminals who run them are typically known factors within any community. The police require 'evidence'... And even if they do have it and arrest the dealers and criminals... They're back on the street in short-order because our Justice system is failing
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Murray Brown 
It has failed  
 
 
 
 
Kyle Woodman 
Good for them. 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Kyle Woodman  
I concur  
 
 
 
 
June Arnott 
If someone steals your car and you happen to track them down, and they are wearing "work gear" from your car, Police will not arrest him because you cant prove he stole it! True story; happened in Moncton  
 
 
Tom Curry 
Reply to June Arnott
There are police in Moncton? It's been years since I have seen a Mountie in Moncton. I thought that they packed up and left. 

 
David Amos
Reply to June Arnott 
Truth is stranger than fiction 
 
 
 
 
 
Daniel Henwell
so, as I understand the article, the RCMP are going to send a group of officers to the island to investigate/charge the residents who drove the drug dealers & theives out. Seems backwards to me.
 
 
June Arnott
Reply to Daniel Henwell
yup! Policing is not what it use to be! You can shoot up on the streets of Moncton without any problems too  
 
 
David Amos
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Yup 



 
Vladamir Smirnoff
"We're definitely dedicated to conduct the investigation fully."

Maybe focus on the drug dealers and theft rings? Crazy how they are on the wrong side of this incident.

In McAdam, they put BM in jail meanwhile the “victim” went on to sexually assault somebody at gun point.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/blake-scott-mcadam-vigilante-1.6841869
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Vladamir Smirnoff
I enjoyed that circus  
 
 
 

Stephen Gilbert
policing in NB and for that matter the rest of Canada is a joke! and the court/justice system is even a bigger joke. basically a lawless society now where people don't feel safe and the criminals have more rights than the victims. so I say good for those people and victims 1, police 0, criminals 0


David Amos
Reply to Stephen Gilbert
I agree
 
 
 
 

Ben Haroldson

It's the judges and prosecutors who are letting them out of jail.


David Amos
Reply to Ben Haroldson
They have to be arrested first
 
 
Ben Haroldson
Reply to David Amos
They are being arrested.
 

David Amos
Reply to Ben Haroldson
Like I was?
 
 
Horace Langley  
Reply to David Amos 
What were you arrested for? 
 
 
David Amos
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Reply to Horace Langley
"Other" 
 
 
 
 
 
Chris Merriam
Good for them. They pay taxes like the rest of us, yet get no policing. Stands ro reason that they'd reach their breaking point. When all other means have proven unreliable or unavailable, you still need to take care of the problem. Well done! Hope to see more of it all over this province.
 
 
David Amos
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Me Too
 
 
 

Alex Butt
Perhaps the RCMP would not have to worry about vigilantism if we had better policing and FAR stiffer penalties for the hoodlums committing all these crimes!


David Amos
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Bad cop no donut
 
 
 
 
 
Pat Holland
People are beginning to stand up for themselves and it’s about time. They are tired of the police not doing anything and when the police do try the courts let them walk. Bravo to this community for stepping up.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Pat Holland
Yup

 

Deer Islanders 'all happy' after alleged vigilantism rids island of accused thieves, says senior

Diane Bustin, 65, says she and other residents feel safer with 'hoodlums' gone

For 35 years, Deer Island resident Diane Bustin never locked her doors.

"This place used to be the safest place on the planet to live," she said of the 45-square-kilometre island in the Bay of Fundy.

But for "well over a year" now, the 65-year-old widow says she never goes to bed without locking them.

And she says she's not alone.

The island's roughly 700 residents have been plagued by thefts, said Bustin — everything from gasoline and batteries to fishing equipment.

"Like, I mean it's just been really bad."

Fishermen have been particularly hard-hit after a disappointing lobster season, she said.

"The fishermen, work really, really hard for what they have. … And you know, to have your boats and your equipment stolen is not a fun thing to have happen when you're going through a rough time.

"And everybody's going through a rough time."

Bustin and others CBC News has spoken to blame people they allege use drugs and visit the island at night just as the ferry service shuts down until morning, when it's even more difficult for RCMP from the St. George detachment to respond.

A drone shot of an RCMP cruiser parked on a grassy area in front of a burned-down building. RCMP remained at the scene Thursday of the suspicious fire. (Roger Cosman/CBC)

On Wednesday, RCMP issued a statement warning the public against acts of vigilantism as they investigate a series of incidents on Deer Island that saw a car heavily damaged by a group of people at the ferry terminal and a building burned to the ground.

Police "do not condone the public taking policing matters into their own hands," said spokesperson Cpl. Stéphane Esculier. It can put them and others at risk, and they could face charges.

Several officers from the St. George detachment were on the island Thursday, along with members of the forensic identification unit and community crime reduction unit.

'Islanders have taken a stand'

Helen Richardson alerted fellow islanders Tuesday at 11 p.m., when a car believed to belong to the alleged lawbreakers was spotted on the last ferry to Deer Island.

"A car full apparently! Be vigilant Islanders," she posted on social media.

A rash of thefts prompted the post, Richardson told CBC.

"The theft has escalated to every night someone is robbed. Gas, batteries, anything they can get their hands on," she said.

A 'no trespassing' sign hangs from a tree, with camping tents set up behind. Yellow police caution tape surrounds the scene. RCMP have cordoned off some tents that are on the property of the abandoned residence destroyed by fire as they continue their investigation. (Sam Farley/CBC)

The number of alleged lawbreakers has also increased, according to Richardson, who noted a "tent encampment" had sprouted on the property where RCMP say an abandoned residence was destroyed in a suspicious fire.

"Islanders have taken a stand and told them they are not welcome here," said Richardson.

"I hope everyone can take a lesson from us and stand up and take back our communities."

Alleged vigilantes deserve 'pat on the back'

Bustin said she was "flabbergasted" when she heard about the events and doesn't have any first-hand knowledge of  them.

"I just know that they were put on the ferry and told to go back to the mainland and not come back," she said.

As for the fire at the abandoned residence where the alleged lawbreakers stayed, Bustin said she heard it was caused by lightning.

If it was vigilantism by residents frustrated by a lack of on-site policing and an alleged lack of police action, Bustin doesn't think they should face any charges.

"If anything, they should get a pat on the back," she said. "I know Deer Islanders are all happy."

A smouldering pile of rubble. The pile of rubble left by the fire appeared to still be smouldering on Thursday morning. (Roger Cosman/CBC)

"You can just imagine being on this island and — do you know how many old people live here? And old widows that …know these people are traipsing around all night long? It's just not comforting.

"And it's not right that those people just came over here and thought that they were just going to disrupt this whole little island."

MLA not judging alleged vigilantes

Andrea Anderson-Mason, the MLA for Fundy-The Isles-Saint John West, said she doesn't know if the incidents under investigation were vigilantism, but she believes they were.

For "many months," a growing number of frustrated residents and business owners have called her office, concerned about increased criminal activity, particularly thefts, she said.

"It seems like every day people are just waking up saying, 'Am I going to have gas [left] today?' or 'What's going to be stolen out of my yard, or off of my vessel, or off the wharf?'"

It's a dramatic change from a year ago, when the most common complaint she received was about speeding motorists, noted Anderson-Mason.

A woman with long brown hair tied back in a ponytail, wearing a blue shirt and sunglasses, standing in front of an RCMP detachment. Andrea Anderson-Mason, the MLA for Fundy-The Isles-Saint John West, said she believes Deer Island residents reached a 'point of desperation' and 'took things into their own hands.' (Roger Cosman/CBC)

People also alleged they had contacted the RCMP, but officers didn't seem to be responding, according to the MLA.

She said she tried to assure them the province has set aside an extra $22 million to hire up to 88 more RCMP or public safety officers provincewide — albeit none specifically earmarked for Deer Island.

"But we just haven't seen it yet, and the local residents haven't felt it."

"And I think that what you saw this week in Deer Island was the tipping point — people just reaching the limit of their frustration and residents felt like they were not getting the response that they needed and they took things into their own hands.

"I certainly don't say that with judgment," added Anderson-Mason, the former minister of justice and attorney general, who, as a lawyer, has represented a variety of clients in civil matters both at the Court of Queen's Bench and the Court of Appeal. "I think that what you actually saw was a point of desperation."

RCMP should be proactive, not reactive

Islanders are keeping tight-lipped about what happened, said Anderson-Mason, who visited on Wednesday. She suspects they aren't "proud that things had to go the direction that they went."

She doesn't think it's a true reflection of who islanders are, either, she said. "Islanders take care of one another and they're some of the most kind, giving, respectful people that you will ever meet."

The one thing she did hear from people, she said, is, "'Why now? Why a significant investigation into what happened when we've been asking for help for months?"

Residents want to see proactive attention from the RCMP instead of reactive, she said.

A two-door garage of the Deer Island Volunteer Fire Department.     It took 17 volunteer firefighters about four hours to get the fire out and ensure it didn't spread into the woods, the volunteer fire chief has said. (Roger Cosman/CBC)

Anderson-Mason contends it's unacceptable Deer Island lost its own policing years ago and thinks a resident Mountie is needed again.

In the meantime, she said she has talked to residents about the possibility of setting up a community watch.

Bustin said she doesn't know what the solutions are to overnight crime, after the ferry stops running, when no police are nearby.

"I'm just glad that those hoodlums aren't here anymore. And in my opinion, that's what they were, is hoodlums."

"I don't think they're coming back this way."

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15 Comments 
 
 
David Amos
Andrea Anderson-Mason could have done lots to remedy this when she was the Attorney General  
 
 
 
David Amos 
"She said she tried to assure them the province has set aside an extra $22 million to hire up to 88 more RCMP or public safety officers provincewide"

"The NBHP had 114 uniformed officers commanded by a chief and deputy chief and supported by civilian staff at the detachments. NBHP divided the province into two regions with a staff sergeant being responsible for each region.

In July 1988 the recently elected government of Premier Frank McKenna announced that the responsibilities of the NBHP would be contracted to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police "J" Division"

 
 

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