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Canada's public service is stuck in 'analog' and the world 'has moved on': Former clerk

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Canada's public service is stuck in 'analog' and the world 'has moved
on': Former clerk


 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/janice-charette-public-service-1.6885586
 
 
 
 

Canada's public service is stuck in 'analog' and the world 'has moved on': Former clerk

Janice Charette said the federal service ‘underestimated’ ramp-up after COVID-19

"The public service is still working in what I would describe as kind of analog ways and the world has moved on," former clerk of the Privy Council Janice Charette, told Rosemary Barton Live in an interview airing Sunday.

"You can make a dinner reservation, you can book a cruise, you can move money in and out of your bank account, transfer between the two of us — it's remarkable the things you can do in a digital world and the public service, and our service delivery infrastructure has not kept up with that."

It's a gap that Charette said was on display when the public service couldn't deliver services such as passports once COVID-19 restrictions were lifted. 

"In all humility, we know we have to do a better job there," she said.

Proud of initial pandemic response

Charette, who refers to her job as being "steward of one of the most important institutions in our democracy," retired Friday after nearly 40 years in the service, including stints as clerk for prime ministers Stephen Harper and Justin Trudeau.

Reflecting on her tenure, Charette said she's proud of the way the public service jumped into action during the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic, spending billions to support people and businesses. 

"One of the things I completely believe about public service is that in a crisis we can be magnificent," she said.

"Decisions had to move quickly, benefits had to move quickly … and the challenge is, how do you maintain that going forward?"

As the lockdowns lifted, services lagged and frustrations grew. 

Outgoing clerk of the Privy Council gestures as she speaks to CBC host Rosemary Barton. Both women are sitting in chars in front of a large bookshelf. Outgoing clerk of the Privy Council Janice Charette speaks to CBC host Rosemary Barton. (Jean-Francois Benoit/CBC)

The government was put on the defensive last year when passport offices were overwhelmed by a surge of applications.

The immigration department was also caught on its back foot by demand. At one point last year more than 2.4 million applications were stuck waiting for processing. 

"I think in the public service maybe we underestimated how quickly people were going to want to return to their lives, how quickly they were gonna want to travel and have their passports, and how quickly we were gonna start the immigration system, how much people were going to want to move," Charette said. 

"This was not the best of times for the public service because we underestimated that ramp-up."

Charette defends outside contracts 

Another issue for her successor, John Hannaford, will be how to handle procuring outside consultations.

The auditor general is reviewing the millions of dollars worth of contracts the federal government awarded to management consulting firm McKinsey & Company following news reports. 

Charette said she believes there are times when it makes sense to bring in outside experts.

"The public service is not and never should be seen as a source of all knowledge," she said.

"There are many cases where, whether it's something which is a temporary need or a specialized kind of need, that we don't want to build it inside the public service. It's actually more economical and more efficient and maybe better for the public that we actually go out and get external expertise."

Besides being the head of the public service, the clerk acts as the deputy minister to the prime minister and secretary to the cabinet.

"I have had the honour of sitting in the cabinet room for some of the most fascinating conversations about issues that really matter to Canadians," Charette told Barton.

That would have included the tense discussions in February 2022 around whether or not the government should invoke the Emergencies Act. 

Didn't want to be 'intimidated' by Emergencies Act decision 

As clerk, Charette recommended the government use the never-before-used law to clear anti-public health measure protests that had gridlocked downtown Ottawa for nearly a month.

That decision thrust her into the spotlight when she was later called to testify at the Public Order Emergency Commission last fall and defended her rationale. 

While Commissioner Paul Rouleau ultimately ruled that the federal government met the threshold needed to invoke the Emergencies Act, the government's decision remains polarizing for many across the country. 

WATCH | Charette defends advice at Emergencies Act inquiry 

Clerk of the Privy Council discusses her advice to the prime minister about the Emergencies Act

Duration 1:11
Janice Charette told the Emergencies Act inquiry that there is a broader definition of a threat of violence than the one identified by CSIS, and it was this broader definition that led to her recommending the PM invoke the Emergencies Act.

Charette said she couldn't let the unprecedented use of the act scare her and other decision-makers away from using it if it was needed. 

"I remember very much thinking we have never used this piece of legislation, so implicit in that is you're going to make history, but you also don't want to be intimidated by that either," she said.

"The public service is known for being risk-averse. You don't want to bring a bias, 'Oh my gosh, it's such a big thing. Oh, maybe we shouldn't do it.' Is it the right instrument at the right time with all the right protections around it?"

Charette said many protesters had "totally legitimate questions."

"There's only so long you can kind of hold people back. Then there's like, OK, well, what about me? What about my interest in my family's interest?" she said.

"The concern for me was this other element that we saw creeping into it and it almost felt like there some taking advantage of what was a widespread protest, a widespread debate going on, by people who had a different point to make."

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Catharine Tunney is a reporter with CBC's Parliament Hill bureau, where she covers national security and the RCMP. She worked previously for CBC in Nova Scotia. You can reach her at catharine.tunney@cbc.ca

With files from Rosemary Barton and Lisa Mayor

 
 
 
 
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As Emergencies Act report tabled, key witnesses have moved on

Public Order Emergency Commission to release findings later today
Alistair Steele · CBC News · Posted: Feb 17, 2023 5:00 AM AST |

Commissioner Paul Rouleau listens to counsel question a witness during
hearings in Ottawa on Nov. 4, 2022. The commission will table its
final report in Parliament later today. (Adrian Wyld/The Canadian
Press)

As the Public Order Emergency Commission (POEC) prepares to release
its highly anticipated report into last winter's convoy protests, many
of the witnesses from the City of Ottawa and the Ottawa Police Service
who testified last fall have either left or moved to new roles.

On Thursday, the commission announced it would make its final report
public later today after tabling it in Parliament.

The Canadian Press reported the commission had requested, and been
granted, an extension to the original Feb. 6 deadline for submitting
its final report to the government.

The deadline for tabling the report in Parliament — Feb. 20 — remained
intact, however. That meant the commission's findings and
recommendations had to be made public no later than Monday, the Family
Day statutory holiday in Ontario.

(The timeline set out by the Emergencies Act requires that the report
be submitted to Parliament and released to the public within 360 days
of the emergency declaration being revoked, which occurred on Feb. 23,
2022.)
A politician at a desk, as seen from the middle of the audience.
Former Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson testifies before the Public Order
Emergency Commission on Oct. 18, 2022. Watson did not run for
re-election. (Adrian Wyld/The Canadian Press)
Mayor, councillors gone

The commission heard from 76 witnesses over six weeks of public
testimony, from Oct. 14 until the prime minister's appearance on Nov.
25. Of those, seven were either elected officials or senior
bureaucrats with the City of Ottawa, and five more were senior members
of the Ottawa Police Service (OPS).

None of the elected officials from the city who testified — former
mayor Jim Watson, former councillor and police services board chair
Diane Deans, and former councillors Mathieu Fleury and Catherine
McKenney — remains in office. Of those, only McKenney ran for
re-election last fall, but failed in their bid to become mayor.

Of the other city officials who testified, only Kim Ayotte, Ottawa's
general manager of emergency and protective services, remains in the
same job.

Former city manager Steve Kanellakos, who testified about his efforts
to broker a deal between police and the protesters, resigned amid
controversy on Nov. 28, just two days before the release of a damning
report on Ottawa's troubled LRT project.

Watson's former chief of staff Serge Arpin left with his boss,
customary practice among political staffers.
A police officer sits on a row of chairs.
Deputy Chief Steve Bell, now chief administrative officer of the
Ottawa Police Service, waits to appear before the Public Order
Emergency Commission on Oct. 24, 2022. (Adrian Wyld/The Canadian
Press)
All 5 OPS witnesses remain

All five senior members of the Ottawa Police Service who testified
before the commission last fall remain, though most have changed jobs.
(This doesn't include former chief Peter Sloly, who resigned during
the occupation of Ottawa by convoy protesters, and who had been out of
policing for more than eight months by the time he testified before
the commission in late October.)

Steve Bell, who was named interim chief after Sloly's resignation, and
who oversaw the eventual dispersal of the protest in Ottawa, is now a
deputy chief and chief administrative officer of the OPS. At the time
of the convoy's arrival in Ottawa, Bell was in charge of intelligence,
information and investigation for the force.

Patricia Ferguson, who testified to the deep "dysfunction" at the top
of the OPS, and said the force was left "floundering" when protesters
failed to leave the capital after the first weekend, remains acting
deputy chief.

Russell Lucas, an inspector with the police service's special events
section during the protests, is currently an acting superintendent,
according to an update provided by the OPS on Thursday.

Supt. Robert Bernier, an inspector within the force's communications
branch who was appointed event commander during the occupation, is
also listed by the OPS as an acting superintendent.

Supt. Robert Drummond, who was tasked with overseeing the police
liaison team that negotiated with protest leaders and the public order
unit that eventually helped end the occupation, also maintains that
rank. (Drummond was in an acting role at the time of his testimony
last fall.)
Police clear an area of protesters near Parliament Hill.
Police and protesters square off in front of Parliament Hill on Feb.
19, 2022. (Evan Mitsui/CBC)
'Multiple points of failure'

In an email to CBC, Paul Champ, a lawyer who represented downtown
residents and businesses during the Emergencies Act inquiry, noted the
commission heard "extensive evidence of multiple points of failure" by
both government officials and police.

"Even though many of those responsible have left the stage, the POEC
report will memorialize those mistakes and serve as a guide for public
officials going forward. I would also like to see some apologies by
the police, the city and the province, but that's probably asking too
much," Champ wrote.

He said he also hopes to see the report provide some guidance "about
the oversight and direction the Ottawa Police Services Board can have
over the Ottawa Police Service."

Journalists covering the inquiry will be allowed to peruse an
embargoed version of the report starting at 10 a.m. ET. The embargo
will be lifted once the report is tabled in Parliament.

Commissioner Paul Rouleau will also read a prepared statement, which
will be streamed live on the commission's website, where the full
report will be made available to the public.
ABOUT THE AUTHOR
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Writer and editor

After spending more than a decade covering Ottawa city hall for CBC,
Alistair Steele is now a feature writer and digital copy editor at
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