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Methinks the election results prove there was no misunderstanding about the French versus English issues N'esy Pas?

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Greens predict 'tough negotiations' with Liberals, PCs over governing partnership

Brian Gallant announced the Liberals will approach the Green Party in hopes of forming a partnership

Elizabeth Fraser· CBC News· Posted: Sep 27, 2018 8:13 AM AT


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Tim Raworth
Shawn McShane
It is unacceptable that some in NB are signing petitions warning the PCs and Liberals that they better not form a coalition with the People's Alliance.

Is this even legal? Doesn't this undermine our democratic process?


Tim Raworth
Tim Raworth
@Shawn McShane Welcome to NB The English don't matter.

wayne guitard
wayne guitard
@Shawn McShane Maybe all those Acadian politicians should try and create their own province.
Barry Odonnell
Barry Odonnell
@Shawn McShane The Acadian Federation is sacred to death that they may lose some of the entitlements they feel entitled to. Now they are trying to intimidate people.
Mack Leigh
Mack Lei
@Barry Odonnell

I did not realize that they had ever stopped trying to intimidate people .. They have their hired gun, MD , always at the ready to stir things up..
  • 17 hours ago
Marc Martin
  • Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane

That's actually legal, since they are not running for election.
  • 17 hours ago
Marc Martin
  • Marc Martin
@Tim Raworth

Poor you....
  • 17 hours ago
David Amos
  • David Amos
@Marc Martin "That's actually legal, since they are not running for election."

I doubt that you even know a lawyer very well.
  • 1 hour ago
David Amos
  • David Amos
@Tim Raworth "Welcome to NB The English don't matter."

Welcome to the Circus









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PC Leader Blaine Higgs says he expects to govern eventually but won't cut deals

Higgs says Lt.-Gov. Jocelyne Roy Vienneau told him he'll be asked to govern if Gallant loses confidence vote








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Kris Austin defends himself, as Acadian voices against People's Alliance multiply

Language rights groups suspicious of Austin's 'common sense' approach, but Austin says they misunderstand



Gabrielle Fahmy· CBC News· Posted: Sep 27, 2018 10:36 AM AT



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David Amos 
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David Amos
Methinks the election results forever prove that there was no misunderstanding about the French versus English issues among the voters N'esy Pas?

The politicians can play dumb all they wish but they must know that they are not fooling anyone

"People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin believes there has been a big misunderstanding about his party's stand on language rights in the province.

The statement comes on the heels of an increasing number of voices being raised by Acadian groups, warning against a possible coalition involving the three elected Alliance MLAs.

They could hold the balance of power in a minority government.

Liberal and Green Party leaders have also been categorical in rejecting any notion of aligning with the party, on the basis of the language elements of its platform.

So was the Conservatives' only elected francophone candidate, Robert Gauvin, who won in Shippagan-Lamèque-Miscou.

"It's just really unfortunate that that's what being perpetuated by some people out there," said Kris Austin.

"I think it's fear-mongering among some elite groups."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-kent-north-mls-kevin-arseneau-1.4838924

"Kevin Arseneau, winner in the riding of Kent North when asked who the Green Party would likely form an alliance with, the new MLA said he wasn't sure, since the party has a trust and confidence problem with the Liberals and an ideology problem with the PCs. "

Dan Armitage
John Pokiok
You want to talk about the fairness in New Brunswick my wife works at the Saint John regional hospital she is fully bilingual but she's english-born she has to have testing in her French speaking abilities every year but nurses who are born French are never tested for their abilities in speaking English even though they're holding a bilingual positions isn't that discrimination against English or what.

Dan Armitage
Dan Armitage
@John Pokiok This is the unfairness of it all. When ever theres a change its never in the middle always too left or too right. Maybe just maybe someday we'll see it happen.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@John Pokiok

Maybe she has poor French ? Or maybe its all the complaint the Hospitals in Saint John got regarding dissing and snubbing French patients.

Mario Doucet
Mario Doucet
@Marc Martin
English having "poor" French is always the issue, French having poor English is never the issue.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Mario Doucet

So you saying its because of all the complaints they got then ? ok.

John Pokiok
John Pokiok
@Marc Martin No that is not the case at all she actually probably speaks better French than you do because most likely you speak a chiack. And her results states that she has advance speaking reading or writing ability of French. Now my point is when you get tested once and you pass why do yo have to do this every year yet no one ever test French born nurses on their ability of English.

Robert Thibodeau
Robert Thibodeau
@John Pokiok John, she doesn't need to get tested every year. Her language certificate is good for 3 years. I'm fluent in both languages, and I had to be tested in both languages. English first language gets tested in French. French first language in English. Don't be spreading bull.

John Price
John Price
@John Pokiok I call horse manure. If this was actually the case, why wouldn't a union be filing grievances, why no human rights complaint, why no official language complaint? I know why - because it's complete bunk.

David Amos
David Amos
@John Pokiok YUP

David Amos
David Amos
@John Pokiok Methinks Mr Martin and his liberal cohorts have made too much fun of my Chiac in the past I bet they didn't even notice that I was on the ballot in Fundy again N'esy Pas?

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@David Amos

Why would I notice that ? Your not even a relevant candidate.

David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin Interesting insult I never heard of such a thing Please explain in Chaic.

David Amos
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David Amos 
@Marc Martin "Why would I notice that ? Your not even a relevant candidate."

Methinks many politicians are familiar with this story that appeared in the Kings County Record June 22, 2004 N'esy Pas?

The Unconventional Candidate
By Gisele McKnight

"FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle."

Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos. The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from running for office in Canada."

"Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I've become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum."

"What he's fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes' gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few.

"The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I'm death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window.

NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico."

David Amos
David Amos
@David Amos Oh My My Blocked again

David Amos
David Amos
@David Amos Methinks the soon to be MLA Robert Gauvin should be able to explain your reasoning N'esy Pas?

Jacques Poitras @poitrasCBC
· Sep 26, 2018
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Liberal + Green = 24 seats. Not a majority, and that's before a speaker is chosen. Gallant won't comment on that but says Libs will talk to PC MLAs about coming over.

Jacques Poitras @poitrasCBC

Some PC MLAs won't be comfortable with Alliance cooperation, Gallant says. He names Robert Gauvin in particular.
2:38 PM - Sep 26, 2018

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@David Amos

Actually you did....how many people vote for you anyways ?

David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin Need I say that I am honoured that you didn't?


Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@David Amos

How many people voted for you?



David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks you say interesting things about elected French dudes N'esy Pas?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-election-formal-agreement-support-minority-government-kris-austin-1.4838950

"Paul Arseneault
You might want to put a hold on that PC/PA alliance, Gauvin is getting cold feet and no wonder..if it happens he is a one term MLA."

"Marc Martin
@Paul Arseneault
He will switch, ive heard people already have a rope with a tree for him."











  
cheryl wright
cheryl wright
i don't understand how having 2 separate health authorities - be it bilingual - infringes on the Acadian rights. I don't understand how having a bus ride shared with both English and French students infringes on anybody's rights or having a linguistic translation device in ambulances infringes on anybody's rights. what does infringe on all rights is not having ambulatory services in a timely fashion or at all due to restrictions, wait times as some hospitals and not others due to staffing, and having a debt that is ballooning out of control.


cheryl wright
cheryl wright
@cheryl wright sorry I meant to type NOT having 2 separate health authorities

Dan Armitage
Dan Armitage
@cheryl wright
I'd like to see the acadian society answer those great questions Cheryl

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@cheryl wright

*having 2 separate health authorities - be it bilingual - infringes on the Acadian rights.*

In my point of view it does not, but for the English its all about power.

*I don't understand how having a bus ride shared with both English and French students infringes on anybody's rights *

Because you have two different school administration, both have their own money to budget the buses but again for the English its all about power, for me the only reason I can see is that the French population is scared of the English population, and from all the hatred posts I see here I don't blame them.

*having a linguistic translation device in ambulances infringes on anybody's rights*

It does because when you die you want to make sure to put every chances on your side ? Again its all about eh English wanting control and power, if the table would be changed and they only hired French paramedic across NB would you still be happy ?

Mario Doucet
Mario Doucet
@Mario Doucet
That means Canada and NB.

cheryl wright
cheryl wright
@Marc Martin I can tell you that the rights of someone needing medical assistance is better met with a translation box to assist an English paramedic with a French patient than to have nobody answer their call at all. and by all rights it is the French who have started the bullying here starting with mr. Melansons interview this morning on cbc

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@cheryl wright

So its ok if they hire French only paramedics from now on ?

cheryl wright
cheryl wright
@Marc Martin you are clearing missing the point and I am done trying to explain it to you. I hope that in your lifetime you do not need the assistance of a paramedic that cant answer your call because of a shortage. bonne nuit

Roy Nicholl
Roy Nicholl
@cheryl wright
Your argument is a strawman. Having no ambulance is an entirely different matter than having one of the two paramedics be able to communicate with French or English patients.

David Amos
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl That was not her argument

David Amos
David Amos
@cheryl wright For what it is worth I agree with you

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@cheryl wright

Hey answer the question would you be ok if they only hired French paramedics ? Ill answer for you its NO.

Roy Nicholl
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos
Her statement was " I can tell you that the rights of someone needing medical assistance is better met with a translation box to assist an English paramedic with a French patient than to have nobody answer their call at all"

Which is a strawman.

David Amos
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Why insult the lady or me for that matter?



Roy Nicholl
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos
There was no insult on my part, just pointing out the argument was false.

It would be just as false to suggest a translation box to assist a French paramedic with an English patient better meets the rights of someone needing medical assistance than providing none at all.



David Amos
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Yea Right I remember even trying to talk to you before the election.










Rick Given 
Rick Given
I watched Mr. Melanson's interview last night and I came away feeling that I had just watched a temper tantrum by a 5 year old.


Dan Armitage
Dan Armitage
@Rick Given nailed it

David Amos
David Amos
@Rick Given Me Too







Dan Armitage 
Bernard McIntyre
Sounds like the Acadian Society are the ones who are fear mongering here not the P.A. The Acadian Society are sounding Anti Anglophone. Hopefully not?


Winston Smith
Winston Smith
@Bernard McIntyre
I think what he is saying is that with such a razor thin margin of victory Mr Gauvin is a king maker. Mr. Higgs may not like it but Mr. Gauvin holds an enormous amount of power in such a crippled legislature.
The humour in this situation is brillant to say the least.


Paul Arseneault
Paul Arseneault
@Bernard McIntyre Actually, at this point it seems it is becoming more increasingly difficult for the PC party. Mr. Higgs would not dare try to form a PC/PA coalition without the support of Robert Gauvin and there is no way that is happening.

Bernard McIntyre
Bernard McIntyre
@Paul Arseneault. So what your saying is Mr. Gauvin rules the P.C Party not Mr. Higgs or the other 20 M.L.A's.

SarahRose Werner
SarahRose Werner
@Bernard McIntyre - And the Anglophone Rights Association of New Brunswick is anti-Acadian. Your point?

Bernard McIntyre
Bernard McIntyre
@SarahRose Werner. I haven't heard the Angolphone Association making any statements so where are you getting your point?

JJ Carrier
JJ Carrier
@Bernard McIntyre They make statements every day in every form possible...Many of the PANB are WARs, but with better clothing on than the old days of, ahem triple letter protests against the French...Unless history has been rewritten, check the direct link in all these Anglo rights group...You might be surprised what you find in your Scottish/Irish heritage, especially in NNB

Bernard McIntyre
Bernard McIntyre
@JJ Carrier. What does WARs stand for? And I do know a little history of my culture. WE are not Anglo.Thats like calling the French, Spainish. Our culture was desimated by the English. How do you think Haggis was made.

David Amos
David Amos
@Bernard McIntyre Methinks Robert Melanson and his Anti Anglophone Cohorts doth protest too much N'esy Pas?

David Amos
David Amos
@Winston Smith "The humour in this situation is brillant to say the least."

Welcome to the Circus



Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Winston Smith

*They are represented by the People's Alliance who speak for them now.*

There ya go, finally someone who admits that PANB represents the anti-francophone group of NB.

Denis Thomas
Denis Thomas
@SarahRose Werner I'm a French Acadian and a member/supporter of the ARA.

You were saying?

David Amos
David Amos
@Denis Thomas Methinks with that and two loonies you can get a cup of coffee N'esy Pas?









  
Dan Armitage
James MacDonald
Robert Melanson said, "If you're against duality, then you're against bilingualism." As long a that backwards thinking remains , New Brunswick will remain a backwards province. Every time a party mentions "duality of service" , someone races out to explain the benefits of bilingualism for the province . I think bilingualism is great. I think the segregation of school kids on buses ,based on language is stupid, and probably violates someone's Charter Rights. Having two health care authorities when we can barely afford one, all in the the name of "Bilingualism"? I moved here 27 years ago and I saw right away how messesd up things were in NB. I am leaving here in February and things are still the same. Au revoir. Bonne chance.


Dan Armitage
Dan Armitage
@James MacDonald I like it too James but thier taking the good out of it all. Want they really want is a one system for themselves not every New Brunswicker

Jeff LeBlanc
Jeff LeBlanc
@James MacDonald imagine replacing the word "french" with "black" when talking about the school bus situation? It's ridiculous that in 2018 these things are even issues to people. I'm Acadian and couldn't care less what language the bus driver speaks as long as he gets the kids there safely.

Dan Armitage
Dan Armitage
@Jeff LeBlanc great stuff Jeff

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@James MacDonald

*the segregation of school kids on buses*

Name me one place where people not in power or having the majority segregated the other part? You find it anywhere, it just show the English the lack of understanding their own English language.

Al Bekirkey
Al Bekirkey
@Marc Martin its 2018 bud

Bill Thompson
Bill Thompson
@Marc Martin
Would you repeat that, please.? And this time could you write it in the English language?

Roy Nicholl
Roy Nicholl
@Bill Thompson
Perhaps you should ask politely in French?

John Price
John Price
@James MacDonald What's most hilarious about this PANB (or COR ver. 3.0), and you James, is do you think somehow magically removing 1 health authority, and saving on, what, maybe 50 busses is going to solve the financial crisis in this province? NOPE. Because the problem never was, and isn't about duality or bilingualism. The problem is all the years people go out and work and pay taxes to other provinces, only to come back to NB to use our hospitals and healthcare system for the most expensive part of their life. Not to mention the fact that the province pays for stupidly small schools, stupidly paved roads for 3 houses, stupidly clearing snow for these same rural roads, etc. it's government waste, but mostly because of healthcare. There is ZERO reason to have 17 odd hospitals in this province - maybe 5 or 6 at most are needed.

John Price
John Price
@Jeff LeBlanc Congratulations Jeff. You're Acadian, and you don't care that the bus driver in Edmundston, or Caraquet can't give instructions to a purely francophone kid during an emergency, or can't diffuse a situation when there's a fight on the bus, etc. Totally makes sense. /sarcasm.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Al Bekirkey

And ?


Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Bill Thompson

At least I try my best buddy, how about you ?

By the way I cant *repeat* this because I am not talking, I am writing.

David Amos
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Methinks I should write another lawsuit and write it in Chiac this time N'esy Pas?


Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@John Price

Wow...this is well said ty sir. May I add this, we have a shortage of doctors in NB, UNB and the University of Moncton choose more immigrant outside Canada because it pays more leaving our kids who want to be doctors to not have a chance to attend the University, these are subjects we should be talking about.

Roy Nicholl
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos wrote:
"Methinks I should write another lawsuit and write it in Chiac this time N'esy Pas?"

If you would find that fulfilling, then you should.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@David Amos

Maybe you should write it in welfare language.

David Amos
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Should I mention you and your cohorts within it?


Roy Nicholl
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos wrote:
"Should I mention you and your cohorts within it?"

Oh, please do. Just be certain to let me know who they are in advance so we can keep our stories straight.

David Amos
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Scroll up and down




  
Marc Martin
John O'Brien
It is now abundantly obvious that it is the French who fear equality. All this fuss is caused by Francophone reaction to the people of NB ( a good number of them Francophones) voting in 3 candidates who dared to say that maybe we should re-examine the state of Language laws here. It really does not make much common sense. I came to Moncton voluntarily 40 years ago; mainly because of the bi-cultural atmosphere. The more I get to know the elite Francophones, the more anti-Francophone I get. Things have changed - a lot. The greed in Francophone circles is staggering.


Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@John O'Brien

*It is now abundantly obvious that it is the French who fear equality*

They fear losing their equality, right now its the anti-French that want to remove everything from hem.

* came to Moncton voluntarily 40 years ago*

Then you accepted the fact that NB was a bilingual province, you always have the choice to *voluntarily* move back.

John Price
John Price
@John O'Brien It's hilarious you think "a good number of them" voted for COR ver. 2.0. Absolutely hilarious. Why would anyone vote for a party who's looking to take rights away from others?

Also, isn't it interesting that if they're getting great support from English AND French - why did they get elected in the most English areas of the province? Why didn't they win seats up north or down south?

David Amos
David Amos
@John O'Brien "The greed in Francophone circles is staggering"

I concur








  
John Price
Edwin Kelley
La Patente seems to be alive and well in New Brunswick. According to recent census (2016) there is 66.7% of the population that lists english as their mother tongue and 31.1% that lists french as their mother tongue. There are only 8.5% who are uni lingual french. The divisive rhetoric being spouted by certain groups is unfounded to say the least.


John Price
John Price
@Edwin Kelley The dinosaurs from COR ver 1.0 are also still alive & well too apparently.

David Amos
David Amos
@Edwin Kelley True







John Price 
Elaine Jones
It is so sad that there are so many individuals out there that are so short sighted. The PA stand on "duality" only makes sense both economically and socially. Segregation by either language or race is both wrong and reckless. The government needs to run the province with the needs of all it's citizens in mind, not just an elite few.


John Price
John Price
@Elaine Jones So it's just "an elite few" that get to go on a school bus? Or just the elite that get to go to the hospital? Or is it only the elite that get to get government services?

Yeah, I thought so.

Elaine Jones
Elaine Jones
@John Price interesting, so you are for separating families and friends . Having one set of rules for some and not for others, interesting. You must be one of those elite.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Elaine Jones

*Segregation by either language or race *

A minority who is not in power or a majority cannot segregate anyone pls educate yourself.

David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin "pls educate yourself"

Methinks you should take your own advice N'esy Pas?

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@David Amos

Not at all, im sure im am more educated then you, for one I have never used welfare, how about you ?

David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin I was Never on welfare in my life as a bureaucrat you should know at least that. I never collected unemployment either because I owned my own business for years. Trust that I made a decent living and NEVER employed people who acted like you.





John Price 
Bill Thompson
There it is right there! Robert Melanson and Yvon Lapierre do not want bilingualism in this province. They want duality. They want one government for the English and a separate one for the French. So long as the English government is required to be bilingual.


Ian Scott
Ian Scott
@Bill Thompson exactly and he said it right there. Duality at a cost of millions and duplications where not warranted yet touts bilingualism as an asset which it is and can be improved on where common sense prevails. He wants duplicated hospital services duplicated public office services duplicated bus services duplicated translation services duplicated french schools next will be the attack on doctors lawyers dentists etc. Secretaries and on it goes.

Rosco holt
Rosco holt
@Ian Scott
I'll put it this way if everyone was bilingual we wouldn't even have this discussion.

It just some don't bother to learn and then complain that they can't get a certain job because they are not bilingual, while those who learned are being punished.

David Amos
David Amos
@Bill Thompson Methinks lots of folks had the agenda of Robert Melanson, Yvon Lapierre and their cohorts figured out a long time ago N'esy Pas?






Rosco holt 
Tim Trites
or any job for that matter. and if the province can't get english kids, after all this time able to function in french then who are they to demand english kids be able to function in french in order to work for them?

talk about your constitutional rights violations, there's one.

read in reverse order


Roy Nicholl
Roy Nicholl
@Tim Trites

It's not the province's responsibility alone to ensure "English" kids are able to function in French. The parents are also part of the equation.

Children are born without language, but with the amazing ability to learn any language or languages - they simply cannot help but learn. We as parents and as a society need to provide the opportunity.

Let's turn your scenario around and ask: Why is it that the majority of Francophone kids are able to function in English by the time they are adults? What can we learn from this to aid their English counterparts in their pursuit of French? We spend more resources now to help English kids learn French than we do to help French kids learn English.

Ian Scott
Ian Scott
@Roy Nicholl because it takes a lot of time and effort when 99% of the world around functions in English. And it’s Need is dwindling while Asian languages are in fact likely to be neede more. Take a trip to Ontario.!

Ian Scott
Ian Scott
@Ian Scott and many of us just are not wired for it unlike say ?Freeland who speaks several languages. My new nephew is handicapped but picks up both but we have had years of limited exposure and it remains limited. But to force it when not needed is "......duality for political purpose and money.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Ian Scott

* because it takes a lot of time and effort *

You have just told us the reason why the English population does not want or want to make the effort to learn a language, well guess what your the only one to blame.

David Amos
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl "What can we learn from this to aid their English counterparts in their pursuit of French?"

Easy have a vote then change the Charter

Roy Nicholl
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos

Once again, your response does not answer the question.

Roy Nicholl
Roy Nicholl
@Ian Scott
Then are you willing to give up services and systems in English?

David Amos
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl I answered it just fine

Roy Nicholl
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos

Then explain how changing the charter will assist English students learn French?

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@David Amos

You didn't answer because you dont know what your talking about.

David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin That why I sued the Queen Correct?

David Amos
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Why is it so hard to understand that I do not believe the Charter is valid?






Marc Martin 
Jake Quinlan
From March 12, 1993. I find the wording in 16.1(1) "....as are necessary...." interesting. Perhaps Austin's "common sense approach" are rooted in these few words?

Amendment to the Constitution of Canada

1. The "Constitution Act, 1982" is amended by adding thereto, immediately after section 16 thereof, the following section:
"16.1 (1) The English linguistic community and the French linguistic community in New Brunswick have equality of status and equal rights and privileges, including the right to distinct educational institutions and such distinct cultural institutions as are necessary for the preservation and promotion of those communities.
(2) The role of the legislature and the government of New Brunswick to peserve and promote the status, rights and privileges referred to in subsection (1) is affirmed."

2. This amendment may be cited as the "Constitution Amendment, 1993 (New Brunswick)".


Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Jake Quinlan

Purple Barney of if you like the CoR leader only has one agendy the removal of French right for the benefit of the anti-French groups in NB...Its not a coincidence he went to every anti-French group ralley in Fredericton in the past 4 years.

cheryl wright
cheryl wright
@Marc Martin that is absolutely not true. nowhere in the constitution does it mention that there is a requirement to have separate busses or hospitals etc. it is education only and they have that, they have French schools barely being occupied while English schools recently built are having to add mobile classrooms.. but it is their constitutional right. Education. as far as Kris Austin is concerned about his party agenda maybe if you open your ears instead of your lips you would clearly see that the party is not COR or anti- French and the only ones spewing segregation and fear mongering and inequality is the likes of Mr. Melanson himself

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@cheryl wright

Wrong post, maybe you should read the posts instead of writing nonsense.

*French schools barely being occupied while English schools recently built are having to add mobile classrooms*

Errr sorry ? Fredericton had 1 schools and it was so full that kid where starting to fall out of the windows. What about the half full 18 school the English have in Fredericton ?

PANB = CoR.

Bernard McIntyre
Bernard McIntyre
@Marc Martin. As I said in another comment. You only read what you want to hear.

Robert Thibodeau
Robert Thibodeau
@cheryl wright They have , They have.... Come on. Can you hear yourself? You get all these services in your language too.

Robert Thibodeau
Robert Thibodeau
@Bernard McIntyre "You only read what you want to hear" . Thats a new one.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Bernard McIntyre

Not really I'm stating facts that no one here can even chalenge me on them...In the end its all about jealousy and bitterness.

David Amos
David Amos
@Jake Quinlan Methinks you should study my lawsuit ASAP N'esy Pas?

Google David Amos Federal Court

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@David Amos

No one wants to google that, its a waste of time.

David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks that you don't want them to N'esy Pas?



David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks that you don't want them to N'esy Pas?

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@David Amos

Want what ?









Marc Martin 
Tim Trites
just so it's clear. NOWHERE in the Constitution does it guarantee DUALITY rights


Roy Nicholl
Roy Nicholl
@Tim Trites
The constitution does guarantee service in your choice of English or French. To delivery those services necessitates some form of duality.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Tim Trites

It does for school administration.

David Amos
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Nope

Roy Nicholl
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos

The alternative would be for all those involved in the delivery of services to be fluently bilingual ... which probably would not sit well with your purview.

David Amos
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl What makes you think that the Charter holds water?

Roy Nicholl
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos
Philisopical existentialism aside, the Charter, like the other foundations of our society (government, courts, etc) is a human construct which has validity because we have given it.

While it is good for us to question our social constructs, we should do so earnestly and not from a place of malice, fear or contempt.

Timothy Meehan
Timothy Meehan
The Charter says the GOVERNMENT must be bilingual. Not the PROVINCE or the COUNTY. Why are not all police 100% bilingual? Why do drunk drivers go free every year because a police officer can't be arsed to learn French? It's all games. (I support PA but also Acadian rights. Their position is misrepresented.)

David Amos
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Who do you think you impressed with the fancy lingo?



Roy Nicholl
Roy Nicholl
@David Amos wrote:
"Who do you think you impressed with the fancy lingo?"

David:
This would be one of those times when it is difficult to see what you are talking about.

June Arnott
June Arnott
@Tim Trites that is true.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Roy Nicholl

*David:
This would be one of those times when it is difficult to see what you are talking about.*

Lucky you I never understand anything he says....









Marc Martin   
Tim Trites
nor does it say that any GIVEN job needs to be bilingual


David Amos
David Amos
@Tim Trites True







JJ Carrier
 JJ Carrier
Can we track Buster Astle down and ask him if he has stopped partying?


David Amos
David Amos
@JJ Carrier Methinks he no longer cares N'esy Pas?





Marc Martin 
June Arnott
Well! I’ve been called many things but never an elitis.
I will give the common sense part though. Our ambulance services are suffering. Why not hire English only and put them in those areas.
Still though , say no to this backwards party.


Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@June Arnott

Why not hire everyone French ?

David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin Why not fire all the French?






Marc Martin  
james taylor
Ambulance ? Call 911,,,,,, enter 1 for English Ambulance,,,,, enter 2 for French Ambulance,,,,, enter 3
"If You Don't Give A ****" .


David Amos
David Amos
@james taylor Good Point



Greens predict 'tough negotiations' with Liberals, PCs over governing partnership

Brian Gallant announced the Liberals will approach the Green Party in hopes of forming a partnership

Elizabeth Fraser· CBC News· Posted: Sep 27, 2018 8:13 AM AT


Green Party Leader David Coon says New Brunswickers want parties to work together in the legislative assembly. 



Green Party Leader David Coon is predicting "tough negotiations" between his party and the Liberals and Progressive Conservatives as the political leaders continue to grapple with the province's minority government situation.

"We have an unprecedented situation with the results of this election," said Coon.

"Our caucus's goal is to deliver to New Brunswickers a stable government and serve the public interest and tackle the challenges we've got in front of us."

The two major parties fell short of the required 25 seats for a majority — the PCs won 22 and the Liberals 21, pending recounts. The remaining six seats in the legislature were evenly split between the Greens and the People's Alliance.

New Brunswick has not had a minority government since 1920.
Coon has arranged to have individual phone conversations on Thursday with both Higgs and Gallant to "look at what kind of government might be built in the legislative assembly.

"I'm humbled by the fact the people of this province have voted to give us the balance of responsibility to help build a stable government in the legislature."

Coon said his goal right now is to be part of a collaboration that will last. He hopes both parties will recognize they didn't receive a majority of support and can't govern that way.

"If we're going to get a throne speech passed, if we're going to get a budget passed, then we've got to have some kind of agreement in the legislative assembly that enables a minority government to function," he said. 

Coon didn't say what that agreement might look like.

"It's going to be tough negotiations over the next couple of weeks," he said in an interview with Information Morning Fredericton. 

But Coon did make it clear he will not make a decision until October, after the final results are confirmed.

Premier Brian Gallant, standing before the Liberal caucus outside the New Brunswick Legislative Building, said Wednesday the party will approach the Greens about a formal partnership. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)
 
 
"What we need here is an agreement to enable the legislature to function and a government to serve the people of this province."

Later on Thursday, Higgs rejected striking any deals with other parties or forming a coalition but he wasn't clear about how his party, with only 22 seats, might govern. He said he expected to be able to work with the other parties on areas where there is agreement.

On Wednesday, Gallant announced the party will approach the Green Party with the hope of forming a partnership based on shared "progressive policies."

What shape that partnership would take would have to be discussed, Gallant said. It was the first public chess move by a party in the two days since Monday's election that left both the Liberals and Progressive Conservatives claiming the right to govern.

Catching up on Monday's dramatic election results? This video will give you the highlights

CBC News
New Brunswick election night in 90 seconds
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As PCs claim victory, Liberals try to hold onto power. 1:40
 
 
Gallant said during the campaign that he would not work with the PCs or the People's Alliance because they don't share Liberal "values."

He said Wednesday that voters sent a clear message they wanted the government to work with "other parties," but he suggested that the Greens are the more natural pairing for the Liberals.
With files from Information Morning Fredericton and Colin McPhail
 






PC Leader Blaine Higgs says he expects to govern eventually but won't cut deals

Higgs says Lt.-Gov. Jocelyne Roy Vienneau told him he'll be asked to govern if Gallant loses confidence vote

Progressive Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs arrives at Government House prior to his meeting with Lt.-Gov. Jocelyne Roy Vienneau in Fredericton on Thursday. (James West/Canadian Press)




Progressive Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs says the lieutenant-governor has told him he'll be asked to form a government if the Liberals lose a confidence vote in the legislature, but he won't cut any deals to make it happen or stay in power.

"I'm hopeful we will form a minority government, because that's exactly what the province voted for," Higgs told reporters after his meeting with Lt.-Gov. Jocelyne Roy Vienneau in Fredericton, which lasted more than an hour.

At the meeting, Higgs also asked that the legislature be called back as soon as possible. Gallant has suggested it could happen anytime before Christmas.

CBC News
PC Leader Blaine Higgs meets with Lt.-Gov. in aftermath of election
00:0017:18
Blaine Higgs says he expects the chance to govern but he won't cut deals to make it happen or stay in power. 17:18
 
The legislature is set to resume Oct. 23, a date set long before the election and subject to change.

"She said this isn't going to go on, we can't have this instability in the province," Higgs said. "She gave every indication this will not go months, it'll go days and weeks."
I have the most seats. That is typically how democracy works and I'm calling on Brian Gallant to realize he lost the election.- Blaine Higgs , leader of the PC party
After the meeting, Higgs made it clear there would not be another election until the Liberals give governing a try, and then the Conservatives if necessary.

Neither won enough seats Monday for a majority, but the PCs came out one seat ahead of the Liberals.
Higgs said he would not form a coalition and was adamant he will not "work things out" with Gallant. But Higgs did say he is willing to work with other parties in the legislative assembly.

"I have faith in both the Green Party and People's Alliance," he said. "I'm not cutting deals to stay in power."

Getting on with the job


Meanwhile, Green Party Leader David Coon has arranged to have individual phone conversations on Thursday with both Higgs and Gallant to "look at what kind of government might be built in the Legislative Assembly."

"It's going to be tough negotiations over the next couple of weeks," he said in an interview with Information Morning Fredericton. 

"What we need here is an agreement to enable the legislature to function and a government to serve the people of this province."
Initially, Higgs indicated he would be meeting with Roy Vienneau on Tuesday, but that meeting was postponed to Thursday, which last for more than an hour.

Liberal Leader Brian Gallant met with Roy Vienneau on Tuesday morning and said she gave him permission to continue governing while he and his Liberals try to win the confidence of the legislature.

But Higgs fired back that Gallant was merely "prolonging the inevitable" and it's "sad Gallant is so focused on his future career."

The PC leader urged the premier to call the legislature, so New Brunswick can have a legitimate government again.

"I have the most seats. That is typically how democracy works and I'm calling on Brian Gallant to realize he lost the election.

"The province deserves and needs a functioning government."

He said there are timely issues that need addressing, and he cited delays in compensating flood victims and the harm being done to New Brunswick companies by the 20 per cent U.S. tariffs on softwood lumber.

Crossing the floor


But Higgs also emphasized he wouldn't make backroom deals with other parties or MLAs, saying voters are "sick and tired of people holding onto power."

He suggested this set him apart from Gallant.

"It's evident he's desperate to hold onto power and he's trying to buy time with the hopes he can convince one of my MLAs to cross the floor," Higgs said.

Although he wouldn't say who, Higgs said he was present when one of his MLAs received a call from Liberals on Wednesday night suggesting the MLA cross the floor.

Before Higgs met with Roy Vienneau, a Liberal staffer shared copies of a PC to Liberal email about discussing the next government.

"All of a sudden the reception got real bad when I got on the phone," he said.

Before Higgs met with Roy Vienneau, a Liberal staffer shared copies of an email from a PC to a Liberal about discussing the next government.

Higgs said he did not authorize anyone to speak with other MLAs about crossing the floor.
"I will not buy anyone to cross the floor. I will not and have not offered anyone something to join."

Higgs and Gallant have been clashing this week over how to interpret the election results where the PCs won 22 seats compared to the 21 seats held by the Liberals. A party needs 25 seats for a majority government.

The People's Alliance and the Green Party each won three seats.

After his meeting with Roy Vienneau, Higgs was to meet with his caucus at the Fredericton Inn.


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Kris Austin defends himself, as Acadian voices against People's Alliance multiply

Language rights groups suspicious of Austin's 'common sense' approach, but Austin says they misunderstand


Kris Austin said he finds it unfortunate so many voices are being raised against the People's Alliance in the wake of Monday's election because of the party's opposition to certain language requirements. (CBC)

People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin believes there has been a big misunderstanding about his party's stand on language rights in the province.

The statement comes on the heels of an increasing number of voices being raised by Acadian groups, warning against a possible coalition involving the three elected Alliance MLAs.

They could hold the balance of power in a minority government.

Liberal and Green Party leaders have also been categorical in rejecting any notion of aligning with the party, on the basis of the language elements of its platform.

So was the Conservatives' only elected francophone candidate, Robert Gauvin, who won in Shippagan-Lamèque-Miscou.

"It's just really unfortunate that that's what being perpetuated by some people out there," said Kris Austin.

"I think it's fear-mongering among some elite groups."


Says he respects French and English


Throughout the campaign, francophones have expressed shock and horror at what they perceived as their acquired rights up for debate for the first time in decades.

What we're asking for is let's apply some common sense to how we make this work."- Kris Austin, People's Alliance
The Official Languages Act was passed nearly 50 years ago by the Louis Robichaud government, giving New Brunswickers the option to receive public services in the language of their choice.

Austin campaigned on a platform that would see francophone and anglophone health authorities merge, duality in school busing end, and the office of the official languages commissioner abolished.




The Alliance elected three MLAs on Monday night in mostly anglophone rural ridings. (CBC)

The party also wants to eliminate bilingual requirements for public service jobs in regions where there's no demand —something Austin said Wednesday he will not compromise on, citing ambulance wait times in rural areas.
"We're not asking to dilute minority rights," he said. "We respect the rights of both French and English in this province. What we're asking for is let's apply some common sense to how we make this work."
I think the words of 'common sense approach' is a trap, essentially. - Yvon Lapierre, Dieppe mayor
Austin, who said he was "baffled" by the comments he's heard from francophone groups since the election, believes ambulance services are in crisis, something he blames in part on bilingual requirements leaving jobs unfilled.

But he said that doesn't make him anti-francophone.

"We're saying, we'll do whatever it takes to make sure paramedics show up in a decent amount of time," said Austin.

Francophones not buying it


"That is for me bullshit," said Robert Melanson, president of the Acadian Society of New Brunswick.
"When you're against duality, you're against bilingualism, you're against everything — well you're not for the equality."

Melanson's group is one of 14 that signed a letter against any coalition scenario involving the People's Alliance.


Robert Melanson doesn't believe Kris Austin is not anti-bilingualism. (CBC)

"It would be a terrible historical error for any political party that would do that," Melanson said. "Because I think that would be a stigma that would stay on a political party."

The mayors of 19 municipalities, from Memramcook in the southeast to Edmundston in the northwest, also signed.

Dieppe Mayor Yvon Lapierre was one of them.

"I'm concerned that francophones in this province will lose rights that they have acquired over many years," said Yvon Lapierre.

"I think the words of 'common sense approach' is a trap, essentially."


Yvon Lapierre said francophones are worried they are losing ground in New Brunswick. (CBC)

Both believe bilingualism is being used as a scapegoat for the province's poor finances.

"I think there's a sense with people particularly in rural New Brunswick that they have lost something," said Lapierre. "I think it's quite to the contrary, when we look at the benefits of bilingualism that have brought to our economy locally."

He cited the example of jobs being brought with the TD call centre coming to Dieppe because of the bilingual workforce.

"Bilingualism is bringing over $1.4 billion to the province every year," Melanson said. "It's a populist party that is trying to put the economic blame on the Acadians and that is not right.
Bilingualism … is there to stay. - Robert Melanson , Acadian Society
"Bilingualism — by the way, is there to stay."

Blaine Higgs, who has worked hard to persuade francophone voters he is their ally, won the most seats on Monday night although Premier Brian Gallant will continue governing if he wins the confidence of the legislature.

Higgs has been careful not to use the word coalition, but he said he would work with other parties on a case-by-case, bill-by-bill basis.

He and Austin have not spoken since the election, according to their spokespeople.

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People's Alliance more likely to support the PCs, Kris Austin says

No talks yet, but Alliance leader open to a formal agreement to keep another party in power


Kris Austin says the People's Alliance Party would have to have a formal agreement to support another party in a minority government. (CBC)


People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin says he's open to a formal agreement to support a minority government for a fixed period of time, and says it seems "obvious" his party is more likely to vote with the Progressive Conservatives.

It was the Alliance leader's first public comments since election night on what his caucus of three MLAs may do when the legislature convenes later this fall.

Both the incumbent Liberal government and the PCs lack the majority they would need to win the confidence of the house and pass legislation.
"We understand this is a minority situation," Austin said. "It requires negotiation. There's going to have to be give and take. We're willing to be part of that, but they have to be willing to part of that with us."

Before the election, the Alliance said in a tweet that it will decide how to vote "bill by bill," deciding case by case whether to help pass legislation rather than propping up one party.




CBC News
Kris Austin and Minto residents speak about political compromise potential
00:0000:50



The People's Alliance Leader makes his first public comments regarding what their three MLAs may do. 0:50

Seeks formal agreement


But Austin now says he'd also look at a more formal arrangement similar to the NDP-Green agreement in British Columbia. The Greens agreed to support the NDP on confidence votes and budgets for two years, in exchange for a role in developing policy.

"We're open to both scenarios and that's the key," Austin said. "That's why we're still internal discussions to try to think about the best way to make this work."

PC spokesperson Nicolle Carlin said leader Blaine Higgs wouldn't comment on the idea of a formal deal "until he actually hears from Mr. Austin. At this point, the two have not spoken."


Kris Austin said Premier Brian Gallant has said Liberals won't work with the People's Alliance, so it would likely work with the Progressive Conservatives led by Blaine Higgs. (Photo: Canadian Press)
Monday's vote left the PCs with 22 seats, one more than the Liberals at 21. The Greens and the Alliance won three each.

Despite that, Premier Brian Gallant said he will use parliamentary rules that give him the right to call the legislature and try to win enough support to continue to govern.

Gallant said during the campaign that he would not work with the PCs or the Alliance because they don't share Liberal "values."

2 parties ruled out co-operation


Austin said those comments suggest the Alliance is more likely to end up supporting the Tories.

"I think it's pretty obvious," he said. "With that said, we've always said from day one that we're willing to work with any party that's willing to work with us. What is unfortunate is the Liberals and the Greens have made it clear they don't have the same feeling."
Green Party Leader David Coon refused to discuss his options in such detail Wednesday, saying he and his new MLAs want to look for ways to make the legislature more co-operative to reflect the will of voters.

"For us, it's really about doing things differently," Coon said.

He told reporters that the three other parties all have positions the Greens could support, including the Alliance's promise to ban glyphosate spraying.

"That's a particular issue we could co-operate with them on," he said.

He said the Greens would not compromise on fundamental issues such as language rights but didn't say what he'd do if he felt other parties were threatening those rights.

"I don't see that happening," Coon said said.

Softer language rules are Austin's priority


Austin would not say whether the Alliance would have a red-line position — an Alliance policy that he'd force a government to adopt in return for support in the legislature.

But he said his call to relax bilingual hiring requirements for ambulance paramedics, a commitment PC Leader Blaine Higgs has also made, will be the party's top priority.

"That will be a big one for us, for sure."

Several of the Alliance leader's positions have alarmed francophones. On Tuesday, PC Robert Gauvin, newly elected in Shippagan-Lamè​que-Miscou and the party's only francophone MLA, said he'd find it difficult to accept any co-operation between his party and Austin's.

"I'd love to have a coffee with him," Austin said. "I would simply clarify what we've been saying all along and address any concerns that he may have, or his constituents."

No conversations about crossing floor

 


People's Alliance candidate Rick DeSaulniers won in Fredericton-York. (CBC)
Monday's election saw the Alliance elect its first ever MLAs. Besides Austin himself, who has run in three elections, voters elected Michelle Conroy in Miramichi and Rick DeSaulniers in Fredericton-York.
So far, no other party has talked to any of them about crossing the floor, he said.

Austin said Gallant's decision to try to hold on to power "may be constitutionally and legally right, but I'm not so sure it's in the best interests of the people."

He said the premier should be clearer on how quickly he'll convene the legislature and attempt to win a confidence vote.


Michelle Conroy won in the riding of Miramichi. (Radio-Canada)
"'Before Christmas' is pretty vague. Are we talking December 7 or December 14? Are we talking Oct. 15? That's before Christmas, too. How do you read that?"

Because the election results haven't been certified, Austin and his two colleagues haven't taken any steps to set up offices at the legislature, he said.

But he joked that among the staffers he may need to hire is an expert in parliamentary procedure.

"We're going to need some direction in that sense," he said. "We have a general idea of how it works but we're certainly going to need some advice."




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Marc Martin
Tim Raworth
We are a divided province. The French are united we stand and the English are divided we will fall. The Cons will never do anything but walk the fine line, trying not to upset either group. So many bought into the foolish propaganda they touted about splitting the vote. Meanwhile we continue to slide. Did anyone bother to read the first article about our finances? Duality costs and its a luxury we cant afford. Wake up English NB!


Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Tim Raworth

Barney is putting wrong facts in your head, just the merging itself of the 2 health authority will cost millions and at the end you still need the staff to do the work.






  
Marc Martin
Jeff Smith
I don't see how Liberals can make a deal with both an extreme left and extreme right party. It's going to be Higgs as Premiere with the PC's and making a deal with PA after the confidence vote next month.


Fred Brewer
Fred Brewer
@Jeff Smith
PC+PA = 22+3 =25-1 speaker =24
Lib+GRN= 21=3= 24

It's election time again!

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Fred Brewer

There is no way the cons will align themselves with the purple anti-francophone group it would be the death of its party.



Mack Leigh
Mack Leigh
@Marc Martin Why is it you keep spout falsehoods with absolute glee ?? The PANB are not now , nor have they ever been anti-francophone... They are however anti-waste, anti-segregation, anti-marginalization of the majority, anti-forced social engineering , anti-apartheid style governing, anti-unrealistic, unnecessary and unwarranted language requirements, anti- treating anyone who does not speak french like a second class citizen....... They are pro-unity, pro-common sense, pro-balancing the budget, pro-fairness, pro- treating every New Brunswicker the same however they are not, have not and will never be anti-francophone.....

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh

*Why is it you keep spout falsehoods with absolute glee *

Not falsehoods at all 90% of their platform is on language.

*anti- treating anyone who does not speak french like a second class citizen*

Again lies from PANB supporters, you have the same rights we do, you have access to the same services, in the end this is all about bitterness and jealousy for a few hundred jobs for the provincial government of NB.








Matt Steele 
Matt Steele
It is a tough situation . The Greens and the Liberals both believe in heavy taxes , and wasteful spending ; but their numbers together only total 24 , 1 short of the required 25 seats required . The PCs and the Peoples Alliance may be able to work together for a total of 25 seats ; but then new PC MLA Robert Gauvin will throw a hissy fit ; and jump to the Liberal party . Meanwhile , the N.B. economy remains in the dumpster ; and the debt continues to spin out of control !!!


Roy Nicholl
Roy Nicholl
@Matt Steele
Have you read the party platforms and polices of the parties you "slag". Surprising to many folks, the Green Party has a fairly conservative and sustainable approach to finances.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Matt Steele

*Peoples Alliance may be able to work together for a total of 25 seats *

WRONG its 24 seats, they would have to appoint a speaker.

Mack Leigh
Mack Leigh
@Marc Martin Thankfully they have the option of enticing a Green Party member to be Speaker......et voila !

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Mack Leigh

That wont happen.







Marc Martin 
Chris McNee
Any party that gets rid of 2 health care networks to 1 would get my vote next election (in 12 weeks) our province is broke yet we have to health networks? Take all the pays we give to a second set of executives and get us more drs.


Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Chris McNee

The merge would cost millions and the cost savings would only be towards directors, at the end you cant assume the staff can do double work, stop thinking like Barney he's like the childrens cartoon.

Mack Leigh
Mack Leigh
@Marc Martin The merge would save millions, end the constant push and pull that has been going on and the me first mentality...... Why are you so against any cost savings and collaboration ?? We need to leave our ego's and the me, me, me mentality at the door and actually act in the best interest of all...... all of the people of New Brunswick....

Marc Martin
Marc Martin 
@Mack Leigh

*The merge would save millions*

Says a failed pastor...Don't you think if they could save money the Libs and Cons would have done it already, the merging would need reorganising everything and would cost millions of $.

*Why are you so against any cost savings and collaboration *

I'm not at all against it, the thing is the saving of money would be minimum, and it would only save money In a few years.

*need to leave our ego's and the me*

The French are fighting to keep their rights and the anti-French PANB is fighting to remove these rights that a big difference.








Marc Martin
Paul Arseneault
You might want to put a hold on that PC/PA alliance, Gauvin is getting cold feet and no wonder..if it happens he is a one term MLA.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Paul Arseneault

He will switch, ive heard people already have a rope with a tree for him.
Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Fred Brewer

I actually think it would be the best.



 

Bob Rae says minority rule is all about numbers — but 3rd parties shouldn't overreach

Former politician has some experience with supporting and ending minority governments


Bob Rae was in Fredericton this week to deliver a lecture on human rights and populism. (CBC News)

New Brunswick is facing its first minority government in almost 100 years, coupled with a ripple of populism that will bring two small parties to greater prominence in the legislature.
This is unknown territory for voters and politicians alike.

Enter Bob Rae, who knows a thing or two about starting, and finishing, minority governments.
In 1979, it was Rae's motion as an NDP member of Parliament that precipitated the end of Joe Clark's minority government.

As leader of Ontario's NDP during the minority election of 1985, Rae signed an accord with the second-place David Peterson Liberals that toppled Frank Miller's Progressive Conservatives, ending a 42-year-old Tory dynasty and putting the Liberals in power.
In minority governments you think you've got a lot of leverage if you're the balance of power, as they say, but you've got to always be careful not to overplay your hand.- Bob Rae, former federal cabinet minister
Then, as a federal Liberal MP and interim party leader, Rae had a front-row seat to Stephen Harper's two consecutive minority governments. The lesson from all those political nail-biters?

"It's all about the numbers," the now-retired politician said during a brief stop in Fredericton to deliver a university lecture.

"It's not about the theories about what you can do, but can you actually do it?"




Bob Rae on the future of a minority government in New Brunswick



00:0000:15



Former NDP premier and Liberal leader Bob Rae said while minority coalition governments can work well when there is a clear shared agenda, the numbers in New Brunswick election are so close it's hard to tell if stability can be achieved. 0:15
Despite Blaine Higgs's claim that he should have the first chance to form government because he won the most seats, Rae said Premier Brian Gallant has every right to try to govern if he can.

"The question is will he be able to pull it off," Rae said.

"Looking at these numbers, it's hard for me to see how that lasts for four years, unless something dramatic happens."

In New Brunswick, the past few days have been all about the political drama as parties scramble to keep their footing following an election with no clear victor.

On Monday, the PCs won 22 seats, the Liberals 21, and the Green and People's Alliance parties each won three.


New Brunswick Premier Bian Gallant intends to continue governing and is going after Green Party support. (James West/THE CANADIAN PRESS)
Gallant has made clear he intends to continue governing, either on his own or in co-operation with a third party, and he hopes to work something out with the Greens.

"Our caucus believes that there are a lot of commonalities that we could work on to ensure there's a progressive government," Gallant said.

Both the Greens and the People's Alliance could wield significant power over the future of New Brunswick's government. Neither the Liberals nor the PCs can govern without the support of one or both of the third parties.
How those parties exercise that power also has significant implications for their future political success. Rae warned third parties that forming a coalition with larger partners can backfire if they try to overreach.

"In minority governments you think you've got a lot of leverage if you're the balance of power, as they say, but you've got to always be careful not to overplay your hand," he said.

"The reality is that the Liberal Party got 37 per cent and the Conservative Party got 32 per cent, and that's a lot more than the other parties got."

Rae was in Fredericton to give the annual Bernie Vigod lecture on human rights at St. Thomas University. His subject, human rights in the age of populism, also had resonance in New Brunswick's election.


People's Alliance Party Leader Kris Austin promised during his 'common sense' campaign that he would end language duality. (CBC)
Populism, according to Oxford, is a political movement that "strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups."

Both the People's Alliance and the Green Party share some populist roots, even if they do occupy opposite ends of the political spectrum.
We have a premier in Ontario who said he won a massive majority. Well he won 40 per cent of the vote. Mr. Trump didn't have a majority, he lost the popular vote. - Bob Rae
Rae cautions that populism may have legitimate roots, but that it is vulnerable to chauvinism and manipulation by demagogues, particularly the Donald Trump brand of "me first" politics that most people associate with populism today.

Kris Austin's "common sense" approach appeals to the concerns of many ordinary New Brunswickers, but his linguistic policy and opposition to duality have francophones worried about their constitutional language rights.

Green Party Leader David Coon has made it clear his party is opposed to the Alliance's language policies. At the same time, Coon has said his economic policy would shift investment inward to focus on businesses and co-operatives at the community level, instead of courting larger corporations.

He said the Green Party would support "co-operatives at the community level that are community-based, locally owned and particularly that are focused on meeting the needs of New Brunswickers to help reduce our imports, and that will keep more money in our economy, creating more jobs here and more opportunity here."

Coon's vision of a self-sufficient New Brunswick demonstrates populist tendencies when it comes to the economy, and his party's grassroots environmental movement does set itself against the political status quo of Liberals and PCs — take the party's popular bumper sticker slogan "David Coon works for me," for example.


The Green Party, which, like the People's Alliance, won three seats, could also play an important role in what happens next with the New Brunswick government. (Sarah Morin/CBC)
"Populism, if you're not careful, can tip over the edge and say this is about the majority getting whatever the hell they want," Rae said. "And then you say, 'Wait a minute, who decides what the majority want?' We have a premier in Ontario who said he won a massive majority. Well he won 40 per cent of the vote. Mr. Trump didn't have a majority, he lost the popular vote."

Rae said human rights are about protecting minorities, which creates a conflict with populism.
"That's not always popular for a court to say, 'We're going to protect that minority and we're going to do what needs to be done to protect it.'

"In the case of New Brunswick, it's the language issue, it's a classic. We have laws that protect the linguistic minority, and if you just throw that overboard you're into pretty dangerous territory."

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Green MLA Kevin Arseneau says he'll put Kent North first

Kevin Arseneau says he was approached by Liberals and PCs but wasn't asked to cross the floor


Kent North MLA Kevin Arseneau said he was approached by the Liberals and PCs but wasn't asked to to join either party in efforts to govern. (Tori Weldon/CBC)

Kent North's newest MLA, Kevin Arseneau, says he will represent the people of the riding before he represents Green Party interests.

"I have a problem with this tight, tight party line, where you have to — and I've heard horror stories from other politicians of how they use the party line to intimidate MLAs into taking certain decisions."

If I represent these people, I've got to feel, understand, experience what they're living. - Kevin Arseneau, elected in Kent North
Arseneau said that's not the type of politics he wants to be a part of, and suggested he ran because the Green Party agrees.

"I really like the fact that, you know, I get to represent the people of Kent North before putting the interests of the party first."

Arseneau won the formerly Liberal seat with 4,056 votes, one of three wins for the Greens on Monday.

"During my campaign I wanted to understand — I have to represent some fishermen — if I wanted to understand what they were doing, I wanted to go on a boat for a whole day."
Even though people cautioned him from spending too much time doing that, Arseneau said he felt he had to.

"If I represent these people, I've got to feel, understand, experience what they're living."

Arseneau described this as the on-the-ground way he plans to do his job as MLA.

Change wanted


As he campaigned door-to-door, Areseneau said, he was told over and over that people wanted a change.

"They told me they were fed up with this blue-red kind of always fighting together. And we see that they're continuing to do it."

He was referring to Premier Brian Gallant and Progressive Conservative Leader Blaine Higgs each expecting to govern after a close election left the PCs with one more seat than the Liberals.

"Both of them are wanting to grasp on power instead of just working together for the better of everyone."

Arseneau said he believes this is why so many voters were fed up.
I told them basically, we have met already with the Green caucus and we're converging today to meet in person and having a long work meeting about this. - Kevin Arseneau
"This is what I was hearing at the door, and I was giving them a message a lot more positive."
The Green Party and People's Alliance will each have three seats in the legislature, which could give the Greens or the Alliance some unexpected influence.

Arseneau said his campaign included supporting all cultures and languages, and he wants to continue working the same way, rather than being like the People's Alliance, which he said is causing division.
"In the riding, we've stopped shale gas by coming all together," he said.

No rush for alliance


Arseneau said the Green Party is in no rush to form alliances with any other political party, he said.
Representatives of other parties have been in touch and want an answer right away, but the party is taking its time replying.
"We're going to take a little bit of time and talk about it and see what the different options are and try to chose the best option for my riding and for the people of New Brunswick as a whole."

Arseneau confirmed he was himself approached by other parties about possibly sitting down and talking with them or working with with them but said there were no invitations to cross the floor.

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Kevin Arseneau, winner in the riding of Kent North talks about the Green party's role in a minority government. 9:30
"I told them basically, we have met already with the Green caucus and we're converging today to meet in person and having a long work meeting about this."

When asked who the Green Party would likely form an alliance with, the new MLA said he wasn't sure, since the party has a trust and confidence problem with the Liberals and an ideology​ problem with the PCs.
With files from Information Morning

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