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Minister says N.B. Power will need to justify VP salary if Ontario company runs Lepreau

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Minister says N.B. Power will need to justify VP salary if Ontario company runs Lepreau

Opposition MLAs question nuclear executive’s large salary, expenses in light of plant’s operating problems

Mike Holland defended Brett Plummer's large six-figure salary to reporters Friday, but acknowledged that the provincial utility would face questions if Ontario Power Generation is brought in to improve the plant's performance.

Plummer, an American nuclear engineer, is being paid around $675,000 U.S. this year, N.B. Power says. That's more than $910,000 Cdn at current exchange rates.

"In the event that the existing HR framework was there and a successful deal was struck, then I would be posing the question to the utility: help me understand why everybody that's in their positions are justified and earning their keep," Holland said.

A man in a suit speaking into a microphone Brett Plummer, an American nuclear engineer, is being paid around $675,000 U.S. this year, N.B. Power says. That’s more than $910,000 Cdn at current exchange rates. (Roger Cosman/CBC)

N.B. Power confirmed this week it was discussing a partnership with the Ontario Crown corporation and said "some OPG ownership" of Lepreau was a possibility.

On Friday, Holland said that could mean an equity stake in the plant.

Lori Clark, CEO of N.B. Power, said in a statement that the plant would not be sold. 

Utility spokesperson Dominique Couture said the talks were at "an exploration stage" so it was too early to comment on how an agreement would affect Plummer's position.

She did not respond to a request for Plummer's current salary.

Premier Blaine Higgs has refused to talk about what a deal might look like, but pointed out this week that Ontario Power's large fleet of nuclear reactors "means they have a level of expertise there."

He said Lepreau has had "ups and downs" and Ontario Power might be able to get "better capacity" at the generating station.

The plant has had a series of problems since a $2.4-billion refurbishment wrapped up in 2012.

It produced only 90 per cent of the electricity expected of it during the first 7½ years after refurbishment, costing the utility $200 million in electrical production.

A nuclear plant in the distance with water and waves in the foreground N.B. Power confirmed this week it was discussing a partnership with the Ontario Crown corporation and said 'some OPG ownership' of the Point Lepreau nuclear generating station was a possibility. (Submitted by NB Power)

A shutdown last December wiped out all of the utility's projected profit for this year, adding to its $5.3 billion debt.

"I think it's fair to ask questions. Obviously he was brought in to put Point Lepreau on the right path," Opposition Liberal energy critic Keith Chiasson said Friday.

"The nuclear station has been underperforming for years. It's hard to find expertise in the country, I understand that. But his mandate was clear: bring it back to where we expect to be." 

Green Leader David Coon agreed.

"That plant failed and they need to justify why they thought that was the solution."

Chiasson obtained Plummer's 2022 travel expenses through a right to information request, showing he billed $12,827.94 in living expenses and $15,311.88 in mileage during the year.

Holland said Plummer has a home in Maine and a residence in New Brunswick.

A man wearing a suit standing outside Opposition Liberal energy critic Keith Chiasson obtained Plummer’s 2022 travel expenses through a right to information request, showing he billed more than $28,000 in living expenses and mileage during the year. (Jacques Poitras/CBC News)

"I'm not familiar with the breakdown of his travel and whatnot," Holland said. "I just know that I have access to him whenever I want to."

The minister argued the nuclear engineering field is highly specialized with a small pool of talent.

"I encourage everyone to step back and have a look at it in the scope of the nuclear world that's out there. I don't think an excessive amount that's being paid based on salary ranges for folks with similar expertise," he said.

"The idea to get the person that's best qualified to do it. The residence of choice doesn't matter to me. The whole concept is to make sure you have someone qualified for the position."

However, the minister acknowledged that New Brunswickers — and Ontario Power Generation — may question the salary and expense arrangements if N.B. Power decides it needs a partner to get Lepreau on track.

"OPG wouldn't be entering into a deal if there was extraneous components to it, I would assume. So I would therefore turn around and say 'explain to me how this framework works and how everybody justified their position.'"

Couture's email said Plummer has more than 40 years of commercial nuclear experience, and the travel and living expenses are part of his contract.

"All expenses follow a rigorous verification and approval process," she said.

A women in a suit looks off to the side. N.B. Power CEO Lori Clark said in a statement that Lepreau would not be sold. (Jonathan Collicott/CBC)

Holland told reporters their questions about future of the VP nuclear position were based on "a presupposition of a situation that has not been presented to me."

He said he was not involved in the discussions with Ontario Power Generation. 

"I'm assuming, because I'm not sitting at the table with those negotiations, the whole structure, logistics and org chart will be fleshed out as to how a successful partnership would look."

Clark's statement said the status quo is not an option for the utility but it was too early to sketch out a possible agreement with Ontario Power.

"This work is being advanced by NB Power, utility to utility, and we will present to government when there is more information.... It is too early to determine what form this partnership could take."

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Jacques Poitras

Provincial Affairs reporter

Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New Brunswick since 2000. He grew up in Moncton and covered Parliament in Ottawa for the New Brunswick Telegraph-Journal. He has reported on every New Brunswick election since 1995 and won awards from the Radio Television Digital News Association, the National Newspaper Awards and Amnesty International. He is also the author of five non-fiction books about New Brunswick politics and history.

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25 Comments
 
 
 
Welcome back to the circus 

Methinks the EUB Hearing in Fat Fred City this June is gonna be quite a hoot 

 
 
roland gallant
Decommission Pointe Lepreau, and buy directly from Hydro Quebec just like North Eastern American States do. Or are NB'ers against buying "Canadian" because it would be from a French Province, so they'd rather pay more to a Ontario Company?   
 
 


Reply to roland gallant 
I have been saying that for years but there is a wicked game being played and its not for our benefit  
 
 
 
 
 
 
Jacques Allard 
Ils trouverons pas de raison. Meme avec un deficite, il recoit quand meme ses bonis....essayer de justifer ça!! Pourquoi arreter la, $200k, $100k de salaire , essaiyer de justifier ça!! ILS pourrons pas!

Reply to Jacques Allard   
"They won't find a reason. Even with a deficit, he still receives his bonuses....trying to justify that!! Why stop there, $200k, $100k salary, try to justify that!! THEY can't!"

C'est Vrai

 
 
 
 
 
Alison Jackson 
Oh fearless duck Hunter Mikey

Reply to Alison Jackson 
Sitting ducks maybe 
 
 
 
 
 
James Johnstone 
Michael Holland, the minister responsible for nuclear power plants in New Brunswick. I wonder why we are in such a mess in this province. 
 
 
Ben Haroldson
Reply to James Johnstone 
Fit right in at nb power.

Reply to Ben Haroldson
True
 
 
 
 
 
 
Christine Martinez 
It appears that in New Brunswick, , "Vice President Nuclear" commands a salary of a whopping $910,000. Meanwhile, in Ontario, "Vice President Nuclear" of anything (there are several types) have an average salary of $358,591, with the highest salary being $509,132. This is publicly available info from Ontario's sunshine list.

One has to ask...how?...why??? Seems to me we're getting fleeced on NB Power's hugely exorbitant salaries.

 

Reply to Christine Martinez 
Oh My My 
 
 
 
 
 
Clive Gibbons 
Why doesn't this person need to justify their salary now?


Reply to Clive Gibbons 
Ask Mikey
 
 
 
 
 
Chuck Michaels 
NB Power has a hard time justifying a GREAT DEAL of what goes in their organization. Let us just rip the band aid off, NATIONALIZE it and rebuild from the weeds up....
 
 
G. Timothy Walton 
Reply to Chuck Michaels 
Nationalise a provincial utility?
 
Reply to G. Timothy Walton 
Ditto
 
 
 
 
 
 
Margaret Flowers 
Me thinks “help me understand why everybody that's in their positions are justified and earning their keep?” should be a question raised and acted upon daily of the entire organization.
 
Reply to Margaret Flowers 
Methinks you enjoy the circus as much as I N'esy Pas?  
 
 
 
 
 
 
Theo Lavigne  
I can kick my own behind for becoming a trades person instead of a nuclear engineer....
 
 
Samual Johnston 
Reply to Theo Lavigne  
There is still time…
 
 
Theo Lavigne  
Reply to Samual Johnston 
No: I'm over the hill, to late 


Reply to Theo Lavigne  
its not Rocket Science get yourself elected and you could be the Boss like Mikey is 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Jack Straw  
Does Mike now understand that lumber prices went up and royalties never increased to account for that? Remember he was not aware of that. Hard to believe we have a Minister who would not be aware of that fact. You can see why we are in the mess we are in. Asking him to resign would be pointless as he would not understand what that means.  
 
 
Marcel Belanger 
Reply to Jack Straw  
Funny 👍😂 


Reply to Jack Straw 
Mikey is a Straw Man he don't know nothing because his head is a bowl of stuffing Hence he just says what Higgy tells him to 

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