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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/quebec-immigrant-investor-program-civil-servants-1.4830231
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David Amos
I wonder if this liberal lawyer expects to be reelected again.
"Quebec Immigration Minister David Heurtel told reporters in March that he wasn't fazed by this tendency. "Even if an immigrant investor goes elsewhere in Canada, their money stays here," he said
Jean-Richard Pelland
Joseph Mediano
Mark Oliver
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Does this liberal lawyer David Heurtel expect to be reelected?
"he wasn't fazed by this tendency. "Even if an immigrant investor goes elsewhere in Canada, their money stays here"
"he wasn't fazed by this tendency. "Even if an immigrant investor goes elsewhere in Canada, their money stays here"
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/quebec-immigrant-investor-program-civil-servants-1.4830231
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Content disabled "One former bureaucrat recalled rejecting a candidate on suspicions their assets were corruptly obtained His boss instructed him to be more lenient because corruption existed in Quebec too"
Methinks therein lies the rub N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/quebec-immigrant-investor-program-civil-servants-1.4830231
Rich investors granted Canadian residency despite fake documents and dubious assets, ex-officials say
Special immigration track meant to lure wealthy to Quebec sees most end up in B.C., Ontario
· Radio-Canada· Posted: Sep 20, 2018 5:00 AM ET Comments
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David Amos
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David Amos
I wonder if this liberal lawyer expects to be reelected again.
"Quebec Immigration Minister David Heurtel told reporters in March that he wasn't fazed by this tendency. "Even if an immigrant investor goes elsewhere in Canada, their money stays here," he said
mo bennett
only in quebec, you say? pity! and, go figure!!
David Amos
@mo bennett Naw Methinks if you had bothered to read the article you would have noticed that the questionable people moved to BC etc N'esy Pas?
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David Amos
@mo bennett YO MO How many of our comments do ya think CBC will block today?
mo bennett
@David Amos u tryin' out for Sid's job?
Jean-Richard Pelland
Our citizenship should not be for sale and we should not overlook dishonesty in applications for citizenship or residency. Integrity ought to count for something.
David Amos
@Jean-Richard Pelland "Integrity ought to count for something."
If it doesn't then nothing counts
If it doesn't then nothing counts
David Amos
@Jean-Richard Pelland "Integrity ought to count for something"
Apparently not
Apparently not
Joseph Mediano
Oh the irony. Quebec, which wanted to ditch Canada, is now getting rich selling Canadian citizenship and watching the applicants immediately leave Quebec for other provinces to deal with. But let's not rock that boat.
David Amos
@Joseph Mediano "Oh the irony"
Methinks its far worse than merely ironic N'esy Pas?
Methinks its far worse than merely ironic N'esy Pas?
Ken MacDonald
Money talks, ethics walk.
David Amos
@Ken MacDonald Oh So True
James Carpenter
@Ken MacDonald
I mentioned in a post a week ago about people in their 40's who don't speak English driving HumVees and CBC banned it...
I mentioned in a post a week ago about people in their 40's who don't speak English driving HumVees and CBC banned it...
David Amos
@James Carpenter You should the ones of mine that they blocked
David Amos
@David Amos Methinks therein lies the rub N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Ken MacDonald "One former bureaucrat recalled rejecting a candidate on suspicions their assets were corruptly obtained. His boss instructed him to be more lenient next time because corruption existed in Quebec too.'
Do ya think the RCMP read that yet?
Do ya think the RCMP read that yet?
Glen Acanthus
But of course..."a special Quebec program". Are you surprised? Why not? Considering the liberals are letting in vast numbers of undocumented people anyway this comes as no shock at all.
David Amos
@Glen Acanthus Check out PEI
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-pnp-entrepreneur-program-closed-1.4820072
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-pnp-entrepreneur-program-closed-1.4820072
David Amos
@David Amos At least PEI finally understood the meaning of the term ethical conduct after awhile
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-pnp-entrepreneur-program-closed-1.4820072
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-pnp-entrepreneur-program-closed-1.4820072
Mark Oliver
The only difference between these people and the ones crossing the boarder in up-state New York is these ones flew here in first class.
David Amos
@Mark Oliver I agree
Chris MacKenzie
Somebody's back is being scratched. All levels government in Canada as well as Quebec have questionable ethics.
David Amos
@Chris MacKenzie YUP
Andrew Szollos
This is only a surprise to the uninformed and blissfully ignorant.
Sadly, Canada is not open for business, it is up for sale.
Sadly, Canada is not open for business, it is up for sale.
David Amos
@Andrew Szollos YUP
Andrew Hebda (NS)
Citizenship should not be for sale IMHO
David Amos
@Andrew Hebda (NS) True
Abe Buckingham
@David Amos It really is though. Unless you're coming in for marriage or as a refugee the point system is strongly weighted in favor of the highly educated and wealthy. We don't let people who are poor or middle class in even from our closest allies.
David Amos
@Abe Buckingham Tell that nonsense to the 30 thousand or so who illegally walked across our border with the USA last year
Chris Johnson
Liberals fail again.
Bruce Chatwin
@Chris Johnson
The program existed under the Conservatives too.
The program existed under the Conservatives too.
David Amos
@Bruce Chatwin YUP
bill barber
The program needs to be stopped immediately.
David Amos
@bill barber I agree
Joseph Cluster
Go into partnership with a resident to buy a company in Canada - one gets an address-an open door to immigrate for education/purchasing real estate. More sponsorship with simple signatures of an hired employee. Just examples of what happens all the timed perfectly acceptable.
David Amos
@Joseph Cluster Perfectly acceptable to whom?
Mike Mayers
Find out who these people are and revoke their residency
David Amos
@Mike Mayers Methinks many are already Canadians N'esy Pas?
Joseph Cluster
Forged documents, look the other way, wink, wink, Quebec, "be more lenient next time because corruption existed- investigating corruption and collusion in Quebec's construction industry."
Seriously they have to stop this train of thought in Quebec.
Seriously they have to stop this train of thought in Quebec.
David Amos
@Joseph Cluster Methinks its the Feds who make them Canadian citizens N'esy Pas?
David Barry Cooper
The word corruption is synonymous with Quebec and has been since the Duplessis era of the '30's.
David Amos
@David Barry Cooper Methinks its the Feds who make the questionable people Canadian citizens N'esy Pas?
Richard Hirschfield
Right out of the Mulroney playbook as when he sold citizenship to wealthy residents of Hong Kong for $250,000 before the China regained control.
David Amos
@Richard Hirschfield Methinks the liberals did it too N'esy Pas?
Robert Brannen
@David Amos
A co-operative effort of a Conservative federal government and a Liberal government in 1986.
A co-operative effort of a Conservative federal government and a Liberal government in 1986.
Rich investors granted Canadian residency despite fake documents and dubious assets, ex-officials say
Special immigration track meant to lure wealthy to Quebec sees most end up in B.C., Ontario
Some rich foreigners seeking Canadian residency under a special Quebec program for wealthy investors couldn't point to the province on a map, while others submitted fake documents or disguised their assets — yet many of them were still accepted for immigration, former civil servants say.
The officials, charged with administering the Quebec Immigrant Investor Program (QIIP), say they were sometimes pressured into ignoring signs that applicants' fortunes were founded on corruption or other ill-gotten gains.
"It's a program that has lots of gaps, that permits people with dubious or even illicit business to launder money through the program and to buy themselves citizenship inexpensively," said one former immigration officer.
Numerous current and former civil servants in Quebec spoke to Radio-Canada's investigative program Enquête on condition of anonymity, revealing what they see as major flaws in an immigration program that has granted permanent residency to tens of thousands of people since it began in 1986.
QIIP applicants must have at least $2 million in assets and agree to loan $1.2 million of that to the Quebec government interest-free for five years. The government invests the money and uses the interest to provide grants to small- and medium-sized businesses.
"We were under a lot of pressure to approve applicants in order to meet annual financial targets," said one ex-bureaucrat.
The federal government used to have a similar immigration track for rich investors seeking to settle in Canada, but shut it down in 2014 due to concerns about its effectiveness.
The Quebec version still accepts 1,900 people a year, plus their family members, with two-thirds coming from mainland China. Last year alone, more than 5,000 people obtained their permanent residency through the program.
All of the applications from China would've pass through Quebec's immigration office in Hong Kong, until it closed last year. The office was overwhelmed by the workload, with staff working 60 to 70 hours a week to keep up, according to the former officials who spoke to Enquête.
The provincial government allotted seven hours to screen each application — including verifying that applicants had come by their fortunes honestly. But as one former immigration officer said: "It takes time to do proper due diligence, and we didn't have it."
Officials' suspicions could be raised by any number of things, including copycat submissions.
"The applicants were all heads of sales, then became assistant managers," the ex-bureaucrat said. "The first time you have an applicant like that, you tell yourself, 'Why not.' Then you get 10, 20, 30 more from the same immigration consultant. It raises serious doubts about their back story."
In the early 2000s, the Quebec government hired an outside firm to help vet applications. It was found that more than 65 per cent of them contained forged documentation.
And according to data obtained under Quebec's access-to-information law, from 2013 to 2017, a total of 1,783 immigrant investor applications were rejected by the province's officers in Hong Kong due to faked documents.
But even as dodgy candidates were flagged, immigration officers say they felt pressure to overlook many applications with apparent shortcomings.
One former bureaucrat recalled rejecting a candidate on suspicions their assets were corruptly obtained. His boss instructed him to be more lenient next time because corruption existed in Quebec too.
Another civil servant said they were told by a senior official at Quebec's Immigration Ministry not to dig too deep into each applicant's background. Some immigration staff bowed to those pressures and accepted more applicants, the people interviewed by Enquête said, while others refused.
In a statement, Quebec's Immigration Ministry said its vetting process is effective at maintaining the integrity of the immigrant-investor program. It said applicants and their assets are examined multiple times: by financial institutions that help recruit them, by governmental financial analysts, and by immigration personnel. Finally, FINTRAC, the federal financial intelligence agency, verifies the funds that successful applicants lend to the Quebec government.
The province also says the program has had important economic benefits, allowing for $695 million in grants to small- and medium-sized businesses since 2000 — which it says has translated into tens of thousands of jobs.
But those numbers may be overly rosy.
Grants from the Quebec Immigrant Investor Program are limited to a maximum of 10 per cent of a business's expansion or modernization project. Nevertheless, Investment Quebec, the provincial agency that administers the grants, counts all the jobs created or saved by the expansion projects it supports — meaning the employment gains seem to be inflated by a factor of 10.
Investment Quebec maintains it's a standard method of calculating and it doesn't deem every one of those jobs to stem from its grants.
Perhaps the most controversial aspect of QIIP is that while it's meant to draw wealthy investors to la belle province, the vast majority who have taken up residency in Canada under the program settle in other provinces.
As part of the process, applicants have to sign two forms declaring their intention to reside in Quebec.
But once in Canada, the law allows anyone to move freely. Data reported earlier this year by Global News shows that 85 per cent of Quebec's immigrant investors — since the program began in 1986 — have ended up in British Columbia and Ontario. Only 10 per cent remained in Quebec.
"We knew they weren't coming to Quebec and we also knew they weren't going to learn French," said one of the former bureaucrats who helped run the program.
Quebec Immigration Minister David Heurtel told reporters in March that he wasn't fazed by this tendency. "Even if an immigrant investor goes elsewhere in Canada, their money stays here," he said.
Other provinces aren't so keen to welcome Quebec's immigrants, though, and to bear the costs of providing health care and education. Freedom-of-information records obtained by Enquête show the B.C. government complained to Quebec several times in 2015 and 2016
Former federal immigration minister Chris Alexander, who served in Stephen Harper's last government, said he brought up the issue with his Quebec counterparts, and while they "recognized there were problems, they weren't ready to move forward with any changes."
Quebec has since taken steps to retain more of its immigrant investors, Heurtel said, including prioritizing applicants from francophone countries and sending out videos and brochures promoting living in Quebec.
But that hasn't been enough to alter how the program's critics see things.
"The Quebec Immigrant Investor Program is a scam from start to finish. I think that everyone who's involved in the program knows that," said Ian Young, the Vancouver correspondent for Hong Kong's South China Morning Post newspaper and a seasoned observer of immigration patterns from China to Canada.
"I think that includes policy-makers, the people who facilitate it and the immigrants themselves."
The officials, charged with administering the Quebec Immigrant Investor Program (QIIP), say they were sometimes pressured into ignoring signs that applicants' fortunes were founded on corruption or other ill-gotten gains.
"It's a program that has lots of gaps, that permits people with dubious or even illicit business to launder money through the program and to buy themselves citizenship inexpensively," said one former immigration officer.
Numerous current and former civil servants in Quebec spoke to Radio-Canada's investigative program Enquête on condition of anonymity, revealing what they see as major flaws in an immigration program that has granted permanent residency to tens of thousands of people since it began in 1986.
QIIP applicants must have at least $2 million in assets and agree to loan $1.2 million of that to the Quebec government interest-free for five years. The government invests the money and uses the interest to provide grants to small- and medium-sized businesses.
"We were under a lot of pressure to approve applicants in order to meet annual financial targets," said one ex-bureaucrat.
Staff were overwhelmed
The federal government used to have a similar immigration track for rich investors seeking to settle in Canada, but shut it down in 2014 due to concerns about its effectiveness.
The Quebec version still accepts 1,900 people a year, plus their family members, with two-thirds coming from mainland China. Last year alone, more than 5,000 people obtained their permanent residency through the program.
All of the applications from China would've pass through Quebec's immigration office in Hong Kong, until it closed last year. The office was overwhelmed by the workload, with staff working 60 to 70 hours a week to keep up, according to the former officials who spoke to Enquête.
Officials' suspicions could be raised by any number of things, including copycat submissions.
"The applicants were all heads of sales, then became assistant managers," the ex-bureaucrat said. "The first time you have an applicant like that, you tell yourself, 'Why not.' Then you get 10, 20, 30 more from the same immigration consultant. It raises serious doubts about their back story."
In the early 2000s, the Quebec government hired an outside firm to help vet applications. It was found that more than 65 per cent of them contained forged documentation.
And according to data obtained under Quebec's access-to-information law, from 2013 to 2017, a total of 1,783 immigrant investor applications were rejected by the province's officers in Hong Kong due to faked documents.
'Really shocked me'
But even as dodgy candidates were flagged, immigration officers say they felt pressure to overlook many applications with apparent shortcomings.
One former bureaucrat recalled rejecting a candidate on suspicions their assets were corruptly obtained. His boss instructed him to be more lenient next time because corruption existed in Quebec too.
We knew they weren't coming to Quebec and we also knew they weren't going to learn French.- Former immigration officialAround the same time, the Charbonneau Commission was investigating corruption and collusion in Quebec's construction industry. "It really shocked me to hear that," he said.
Another civil servant said they were told by a senior official at Quebec's Immigration Ministry not to dig too deep into each applicant's background. Some immigration staff bowed to those pressures and accepted more applicants, the people interviewed by Enquête said, while others refused.
Government claims credit for job creation
In a statement, Quebec's Immigration Ministry said its vetting process is effective at maintaining the integrity of the immigrant-investor program. It said applicants and their assets are examined multiple times: by financial institutions that help recruit them, by governmental financial analysts, and by immigration personnel. Finally, FINTRAC, the federal financial intelligence agency, verifies the funds that successful applicants lend to the Quebec government.
The province also says the program has had important economic benefits, allowing for $695 million in grants to small- and medium-sized businesses since 2000 — which it says has translated into tens of thousands of jobs.
Grants from the Quebec Immigrant Investor Program are limited to a maximum of 10 per cent of a business's expansion or modernization project. Nevertheless, Investment Quebec, the provincial agency that administers the grants, counts all the jobs created or saved by the expansion projects it supports — meaning the employment gains seem to be inflated by a factor of 10.
Investment Quebec maintains it's a standard method of calculating and it doesn't deem every one of those jobs to stem from its grants.
Westward bound
Perhaps the most controversial aspect of QIIP is that while it's meant to draw wealthy investors to la belle province, the vast majority who have taken up residency in Canada under the program settle in other provinces.
As part of the process, applicants have to sign two forms declaring their intention to reside in Quebec.
But once in Canada, the law allows anyone to move freely. Data reported earlier this year by Global News shows that 85 per cent of Quebec's immigrant investors — since the program began in 1986 — have ended up in British Columbia and Ontario. Only 10 per cent remained in Quebec.
The Quebec Immigrant Investor Program is a scam from start to finish. I think that everyone who's involved in the program knows that.- Ian Young, newspaper columnist"We're way off our immigration targets under this program," said Suzanne Ethier, who served as Quebec's associate deputy minister of immigration from 2005 to 2006.
"We knew they weren't coming to Quebec and we also knew they weren't going to learn French," said one of the former bureaucrats who helped run the program.
Quebec Immigration Minister David Heurtel told reporters in March that he wasn't fazed by this tendency. "Even if an immigrant investor goes elsewhere in Canada, their money stays here," he said.
Other provinces aren't so keen to welcome Quebec's immigrants, though, and to bear the costs of providing health care and education. Freedom-of-information records obtained by Enquête show the B.C. government complained to Quebec several times in 2015 and 2016
Former federal immigration minister Chris Alexander, who served in Stephen Harper's last government, said he brought up the issue with his Quebec counterparts, and while they "recognized there were problems, they weren't ready to move forward with any changes."
Quebec has since taken steps to retain more of its immigrant investors, Heurtel said, including prioritizing applicants from francophone countries and sending out videos and brochures promoting living in Quebec.
But that hasn't been enough to alter how the program's critics see things.
"The Quebec Immigrant Investor Program is a scam from start to finish. I think that everyone who's involved in the program knows that," said Ian Young, the Vancouver correspondent for Hong Kong's South China Morning Post newspaper and a seasoned observer of immigration patterns from China to Canada.
"I think that includes policy-makers, the people who facilitate it and the immigrants themselves."
Methinks therein lies the rub N'esy Pas?