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Premiers cite long waits for cancer patients, N.B. teen's suicide in pitch for more federal health funding
PM has promised more funding for provinces, but not right away
Quebec Premier Francois Legault chairs a premiers virtual news conference Thursday, March 4, 2021 in Montreal. The premiers from the left are: John Horgan, B.C., Jason Kenney, Alberta, Scott Moe, Saskatchewan, Francois Legault, Quebec, , Brian Pallister, Manitoba, Doug Ford, Ontario, and Blaine Higgs, New Brunswick. (Ryan Remiorz/The Canadian Press)
Some Canadian premiers told stories of Canadians caught in personal health care crises today as they pressured the federal government to shoulder a larger share of health care costs.
Québec Premier François Legault, chair of the Council of the Federation, was joined by seven other premiers this afternoon in a virtual conference to repeat the provinces' call for an increase in federal health care funding in the upcoming budget.
The Canada Health Transfer is the federal government's primary contribution to covering the cost of delivering health services in the provinces and territories.
Right now, the provinces spend about $188 billion on health care and the federal government covers $42 billion — roughly 22 per cent of total costs. The premiers have asked for a permanent increase in the federal share to 35 per cent cent, which works out to an additional $28 billion and would bring the total federal share to $70 billion.
The premiers are asking the government to maintain this contribution level over time, with a minimum annual escalator of five per cent.
"It's essential to do so for those who need treatments across the country," said Legault.
"If the federal [government] doesn't increase the transfer, there's a risk provinces and territories won't be able to pay for all the services their populations need. At the end of the day, it's the most vulnerable who will suffer."
Manitoba Premier Brian Pallister said long wait times are just one sign that the federal transfer urgently needs an injection of cash.
He told a story about meeting a young woman who had to wait for a referral to a specialist after discovering a lump in her breast — only to be told by the specialist that they wished they had caught it sooner.
'I don't need a banker'
"That's the problem on the individual level that we're facing. We're losing people because of our failure to get health care to people sooner and we need to change that," Pallister said.
"When I raised this story — a true story — with the prime minister, he looked across the table at me and said, 'I'm not your banker.'
"I don't need a banker. We don't need a banker. Canadians don't need a banker. We need a partner. We need a partner on health care. This isn't the prime minister's fault, except that he ignores the problem and then it becomes his fault."
WATCH | 'I'm not your banker': Manitoba premier calls out prime minister on health care transfers
The premiers held a virtual press conference today to warn Ottawa that health care transfers must be increased in this year's federal budget. They told reporters that all governments need to work together to reduce the wait times Canadians face in getting care. 2:44
Ontario Premier Doug Ford pointed to issues in long term care exposed by the pandemic. New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs raised the case of a 16-year old girl in his province who recently killed herself.
Lexi Daken's parents say she sought help but had to wait eight hours at a hospital emergency room without receiving any mental health intervention, and left the hospital with a referral for followup.
The health transfer was the focus of a meeting between the premiers and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau late last year.
At the time, Trudeau promised to increase health care funding to the provinces — but not before the immediate pressure of the pandemic subsides.
"It's going to be important that the federal government steps up and increases its share of the cost of health care with the Canada Health Transfer," Trudeau said after the December meeting.
"We are going to do that and I look forward to conversations over the coming months about how we can increase it."
Retired psychiatrist wants to 'weep or scream' over care for mentally ill youth
'There's no doubt that putting people in institutions is not a solution to the problem'
About 10 years ago, Dr. David Addleman helped the provincial government develop recommendations to transform mental health services for young people in New Brunswick.
Today, Addleman says, it takes all his skills not to "weep or scream" when he hears people talk about helping young people in New Brunswick deal with mental health problems.
Despite the efforts of some people, there's still a lack of support for those trying to get better, he said.
He said he thanked God when he heard a youth mental health centre now under construction in Campbellton was put on hold earlier this month. The decision came after the provincial ombud delivered a critical analysis of the Restigouche psychiatric hospital in Campbellton and recommended cancelling the youth centre.
"I was relieved for years when I saw a hole in the ground there, and then I was discouraged when I saw construction starting, and I'm glad that there's been some sober second thought being applied about that," Addleman said.
"Certainly, there are needs for a way of evaluating and treating children and young people who are very difficult to manage in the community."
Addleman and other doctors worked on a document 10 years ago, called "Out of the Shadows at Last: Transforming Mental Health, Mental Illness, and Addiction Services in Canada," to coax the provinces to take a look at their own systems.
In response, Michael McKee, at the time a provincial court judge, was asked to come up with recommendations to transform mental health services in New Brunswick.
Addleman said "some things" have been done since McKee's report, which included calls for more emphasis on early intervention, income support, and keeping people out of the legal system.
"I certainly would not say that it's just gathering dust not doing anything," Addleman said of the report in an interview with Information Morning Fredericton.
"I think some really big efforts were made by very dedicated people at all levels, government and outside government."
Institutions not a solution
But Addleman said he was up late Wednesday night wondering why the system isn't working.
"I think it may be simply a matter of quantity. That although the task is identified, the plan is identified, there's not enough people to do it."
More psychiatrists won't necessarily fix the problem, Addleman said. He said the biggest problem is finding a supportive place for those suffering.
"There's no doubt that putting people in institutions is not a solution to the problem."
Suggests politics an issue
Addleman said the best solution is training people to understand those who are suffering, with an ultimate goal of recovery.
He said it's possible for New Brunswick to set up a system that provides community care and allows young people to recover.
"What gets in the way? Why does it not happen? That's the questions I've been asking myself," he said.
"And I think it's when it gets translated to the political sphere, when somebody has to make a decision on what's the priority going to be, how much money are we going to spend on this. That's where I think there's a breakdown."
New mental health program aimed at helping people facing winter blues, pandemic anxiety
Program connects people with mild to moderate mental health issues with coaches.
New Brunswick has introduced a new program aimed at helping people with mild to moderate anxiety and depression.
The program, called BounceBack, will link people having mental health issues with experts who can help them.
Christa Baldwin, the executive director of the Canadian Mental Health Association of New Brunswick, said the isolation and hardship caused by the pandemic is difficult enough. Combine that with everyday mental health issues, and this program is made all the more necessary.
"We are 10 months into this pandemic and we are into our winter," said Baldwin.
"When we look at things like seasonal affective disorder and depression and all of those mental health concerns, that may be more exaggerated during this time of the year, this provides another tool for people in our province."
People can be referred to the program by a medical professional, or they can self-refer through CMHA.
They will be contacted by a program coach within five days, who will try to get them back on the road to better mental health.
"We have ... over 20 different workbooks that deal with different topics," said Baldwin.
"The participants can design the program in collaboration with their coach to really make it very specific to what they are struggling with."
Because of the pandemic, the coaching sessions are being done over the phone.
More demand
Baldwin said the program should help with a growing waiting list for mental health services, taking some people out of the queue, and enabling people with more severe mental health issues easier access to services.
"This kind of program works with individuals that are mild to moderate depression," said Baldwin.
"They're not at that risk of suicide that people really should be having a different type of support through a psychiatrist or through the formal system."
Baldwin said the COVID pandemic, along with a general greater focus on mental health, has changed the discussion about mental health.
"it's not necessarily about having a mental illness diagnosis. It's really not finding true joy at this time. And this is a program that can help move you forward to find that joy and to see the good things that are happening in life."
Baldwin said that search has more people coming to CMHA for help.
"If I go back five years ago, we were working with about 25,000 New Brunswickers annually … last year, we provided support to over 86,000 New Brunswickers," said Baldwin.
"So people are reaching out more than ever before and that's just intensified during this pandemic."
With files from Information Morning Moncton
From: "Higgs, Premier Blaine (PO/CPM)"<Blaine.Higgs@gnb.ca>
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 21:30:12 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Mikey McKee said."People aren't going to put
up with this, Enough is enough" So I called him to introduce myself
but we could speak only briefly so I suggested that his son explain my
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 21:30:20 +0000
Subject: RE: Mikey McKee said."People aren't going to put up with
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From: Bill.Blair@parl.gc.ca
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 21:30:17 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Mikey McKee said."People aren't going to put
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From: "O'Toole, Erin - M.P."<Erin.OToole@parl.gc.ca>
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 21:30:19 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Mikey McKee said."People aren't going to put
up with this, Enough is enough" So I called him to introduce myself
but we could speak only briefly so I suggested that his son explain my
concerns to him
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
On behalf of the Hon. Erin O’Toole, thank you for contacting the
Office of the Leader of the Official Opposition.
Mr. O’Toole greatly values feedback and input from Canadians. We read
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Au nom de l’hon. Erin O’Toole, merci de communiquer avec le Bureau du
chef de l’Opposition officielle.
M. O’Toole apprécie beaucoup le point de vue et les commentaires des
Canadiens et des Canadiennes. Nous lisons tous les courriels que nous
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 17:30:08 -0400
Subject: Mikey McKee said."People aren't going to put up with this,
Enough is enough" So I called him to introduce myself but we could
speak only briefly so I suggested that his son explain my concerns to
him
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Mental health system should've been fixed after report 12 years ago, advocate says
Mental health advocate Mike McKee made 80 recommendations to transform the system, but says it was never fixed
A retired judge who called for the "massive transformation" of New Brunswick's mental health system 12 years ago, says nothing has been done to fix it.
In 2009, Mike McKee published his report, Together into the Future. He received input from more than 2,000 people, including service providers to people with mental illness and their families.
The report included 80 recommendations to revamp the mental health system in New Brunswick
"It's obvious the system is broken and we need to address it," said McKee.
"We have to decide, do we want to rebuild the house or do we just want to paint the living room?"
McKee's report aimed to make mental health a government priority for everyone and that it would be treated like any other illness "rather than continuing to be a poor second cousin."
'People want us to do more'
McKee, who's also a former cabinet minister in Frank McKenna's Liberal government, said he was disappointed to learn about the death of Lexi Daken last week.
The Grade 10 student who had previously attempted suicide, was taken to the emergency room at Fredericton's Dr. Everett Chalmers Hospital on Feb. 18, by a school guidance counsellor who was concerned about her mental health.
She waited for eight hours without receiving any mental health intervention.
Lexi took her own life less than a week later.
"I don't remember really the last time my heart was troubled like this over someone that I didn't even know," said the mental health advocate.
"It's sad and it doesn't have to happen."
In order to fix the broken system, McKee said the province needs to stop reacting to situations like Lexi's and instead work with people living with mental health issues, Indigenous communities, the homeless and those living in rural areas.
"People want us to do more than just tinker with the status quo."
If the 80 recommendations in his report had been implemented, McKee said the province would have already addressed the mental health needs of New Brunswickers.
But it didn't.
McKee's report said children and youth should have access to in-province assessment, government departments should work collaboratively within a coordinated system and the province should also have a full range of effective services are available in community and correctional facilities.
"I'm not happy with the outcome or reaction."
Public inquiry won't happen
On Wednesday, Health Minister Dorothy Shephard told reporters the province will not call for a public inquiry into Lexi's suicide but will ask the child and youth advocate to review mental health services in New Brunswick.
McKee said he doesn't want to put his focus on whether their should be a public inquiry, but the report itself and how to prevent situations like this from happening again — such as more qualified psychologists inside New Brunswick schools.
"We have far too many people who don't have the support, who don't have the treatment to avoid those situations occurring in the first place."
It's still not clear whether the public will ever know what happened during Lexi's eight-hour wait at the ER, or why she was allowed to leave without having received help.
McKee said it's possible they'll never know.
"People aren't going to put up with this," he said. "Enough is enough."
With files from Information Morning Fredericton, Marie Sutherland
From: Brian Gallant <briangallant10@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 08:17:31 -0700
Subject: Merci / Thank you Re: Attn Robert McKee I am calling you for
the third time The pdf files hereto attached are for real
To: motomaniac333@gmail.com
(Français à suivre)
If your email is pertaining to the Government of New Brunswick, please
email me at brian.gallant@gnb.ca
If your matter is urgent, please email Greg Byrne at greg.byrne@gnb.ca
Thank you.
Si votre courriel s'addresse au Gouvernement du Nouveau-Brunswick,
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Merci.
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From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 11:17:25 -0400
Subject: Attn Robert McKee I am calling you for the third time The pdf
files hereto attached are for real
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<brian.gallant@gnb.ca>, "chris.collins"<chris.collins@gnb.ca>, tj
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Robert McKee to run for the Liberals in Moncton Centre
Lawyer won Saturday's nomination by acclamation, a spokesperson for
the party says
CBC News · Posted: Jun 03, 2018 4:50 PM AT
Robert McKee, a 32-year-old lawyer and first-term Moncton city
councillor, declared his candidacy for the Moncton Centre Liberal
nomination on May 17. (Submitted)
Robert McKee has won the Moncton Centre Liberal nomination and will
run for the party in the upcoming provincial election this fall.
The 32-year-old lawyer was elected to Moncton city council in May,
2016, representing Ward 3, and declared his candidacy for the Moncton
Centre Liberal nomination on May 17.
He won Saturday's nomination by acclamation, according to Duncan
Gallant, a spokesperson for the party.
The availability to run in Moncton Centre for the Liberals opened up
after Speaker Chris Collins said he wouldn't reoffer for the party.
Speaker Chris Collins won't reoffer for Liberals, plans to sue
premier for libel
8 Liberals quit over premier's 'humiliating' treatment of Chris Collins
Premier Brian Gallant suspended Collins from the Liberal caucus on the
basis of allegations of harassment made by a former employee of the
legislature.
Collins described Premier Gallant's handling of the allegations as
"atrocious" and will finish his term as an independent.
The election is scheduled for Sept. 24.
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:32:09 -0400
> Subject: Attn Integrity Commissioner Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
> To: coi@gnb.ca
> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>
> Good Day Sir
>
> After I heard you speak on CBC I called your office again and managed
> to speak to one of your staff for the first time
>
> Please find attached the documents I promised to send to the lady who
> answered the phone this morning. Please notice that not after the Sgt
> at Arms took the documents destined to your office his pal Tanker
> Malley barred me in writing with an "English" only document.
>
> These are the hearings and the dockets in Federal Court that I
> suggested that you study closely.
>
> This is the docket in Federal Court
>
> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.
>
> These are digital recordings of the last three hearings
>
> Dec 14th https://archive.org/details/
>
> January 11th, 2016 https://archive.org/details/
>
> April 3rd, 2017
>
> https://archive.org/details/
>
>
> This is the docket in the Federal Court of Appeal
>
> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.
>
>
> The only hearing thus far
>
> May 24th, 2017
>
> https://archive.org/details/
>
>
> This Judge understnds the meaning of the word Integrity
>
> Date: 20151223
>
> Docket: T-1557-15
>
> Fredericton, New Brunswick, December 23, 2015
>
> PRESENT: The Honourable Mr. Justice Bell
>
> BETWEEN:
>
> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
>
> Plaintiff
>
> and
>
> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
>
> Defendant
>
> ORDER
>
> (Delivered orally from the Bench in Fredericton, New Brunswick, on
> December 14, 2015)
>
> The Plaintiff seeks an appeal de novo, by way of motion pursuant to
> the Federal Courts Rules (SOR/98-106), from an Order made on November
> 12, 2015, in which Prothonotary Morneau struck the Statement of Claim
> in its entirety.
>
> At the outset of the hearing, the Plaintiff brought to my attention a
> letter dated September 10, 2004, which he sent to me, in my then
> capacity as Past President of the New Brunswick Branch of the Canadian
> Bar Association, and the then President of the Branch, Kathleen Quigg,
> (now a Justice of the New Brunswick Court of Appeal). In that letter
> he stated:
>
> As for your past President, Mr. Bell, may I suggest that you check the
> work of Frank McKenna before I sue your entire law firm including you.
> You are your brother’s keeper.
>
> Frank McKenna is the former Premier of New Brunswick and a former
> colleague of mine at the law firm of McInnes Cooper. In addition to
> expressing an intention to sue me, the Plaintiff refers to a number of
> people in his Motion Record who he appears to contend may be witnesses
> or potential parties to be added. Those individuals who are known to
> me personally, include, but are not limited to the former Prime
> Minister of Canada, The Right Honourable Stephen Harper; former
> Attorney General of Canada and now a Justice of the Manitoba Court of
> Queen’s Bench, Vic Toews; former member of Parliament Rob Moore;
> former Director of Policing Services, the late Grant Garneau; former
> Chief of the Fredericton Police Force, Barry McKnight; former Staff
> Sergeant Danny Copp; my former colleagues on the New Brunswick Court
> of Appeal, Justices Bradley V. Green and Kathleen Quigg, and, retired
> Assistant Commissioner Wayne Lang of the Royal Canadian Mounted
> Police.
>
> In the circumstances, given the threat in 2004 to sue me in my
> personal capacity and my past and present relationship with many
> potential witnesses and/or potential parties to the litigation, I am
> of the view there would be a reasonable apprehension of bias should I
> hear this motion. See Justice de Grandpré’s dissenting judgment in
> Committee for Justice and Liberty et al v National Energy Board et al,
> [1978] 1 SCR 369 at p 394 for the applicable test regarding
> allegations of bias. In the circumstances, although neither party has
> requested I recuse myself, I consider it appropriate that I do so.
>
>
> AS A RESULT OF MY RECUSAL, THIS COURT ORDERS that the Administrator of
> the Court schedule another date for the hearing of the motion. There
> is no order as to costs.
>
> “B. Richard Bell”
> Judge
>
>
> Below after the CBC article about your concerns (I made one comment
> already) you will find the text of just two of many emails I had sent
> to your office over the years since I first visited it in 2006.
>
> I noticed that on July 30, 2009, he was appointed to the the Court
> Martial Appeal Court of Canada Perhaps you should scroll to the
> bottom of this email ASAP and read the entire Paragraph 83 of my
> lawsuit now before the Federal Court of Canada?
>
> "FYI This is the text of the lawsuit that should interest Trudeau the most
>
>
> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca
> Date: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:18 PM
> Subject: Réponse automatique : RE My complaint against the CROWN in
> Federal Court Attn David Hansen and Peter MacKay If you planning to
> submit a motion for a publication ban on my complaint trust that you
> dudes are way past too late
> To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>
> Veuillez noter que j'ai changé de courriel. Vous pouvez me rejoindre à
> lalanthier@hotmail.com
>
> Pour rejoindre le bureau de M. Trudeau veuillez envoyer un courriel à
> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca
>
> Please note that I changed email address, you can reach me at
> lalanthier@hotmail.com
>
> To reach the office of Mr. Trudeau please send an email to
> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca
>
> Thank you,
>
> Merci ,
>
>
> http://davidraymondamos3.
>
>
> 83. The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war
> in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to
> allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over
> five years after he began his bragging:
>
> January 13, 2015
> This Is Just AS Relevant Now As When I wrote It During The Debate
>
> December 8, 2014
> Why Canada Stood Tall!
>
> Friday, October 3, 2014
> Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And
> Stupid Justin Trudeau
>
> Canada’s and Canadians free ride is over. Canada can no longer hide
> behind Amerka’s and NATO’s skirts.
>
> When I was still in Canadian Forces then Prime Minister Jean Chretien
> actually committed the Canadian Army to deploy in the second campaign
> in Iraq, the Coalition of the Willing. This was against or contrary to
> the wisdom or advice of those of us Canadian officers that were
> involved in the initial planning phases of that operation. There were
> significant concern in our planning cell, and NDHQ about of the dearth
> of concern for operational guidance, direction, and forces for
> operations after the initial occupation of Iraq. At the “last minute”
> Prime Minister Chretien and the Liberal government changed its mind.
> The Canadian government told our amerkan cousins that we would not
> deploy combat troops for the Iraq campaign, but would deploy a
> Canadian Battle Group to Afghanistan, enabling our amerkan cousins to
> redeploy troops from there to Iraq. The PMO’s thinking that it was
> less costly to deploy Canadian Forces to Afghanistan than Iraq. But
> alas no one seems to remind the Liberals of Prime Minister Chretien’s
> then grossly incorrect assumption. Notwithstanding Jean Chretien’s
> incompetence and stupidity, the Canadian Army was heroic,
> professional, punched well above it’s weight, and the PPCLI Battle
> Group, is credited with “saving Afghanistan” during the Panjway
> campaign of 2006.
>
> What Justin Trudeau and the Liberals don’t tell you now, is that then
> Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien committed, and deployed the
> Canadian army to Canada’s longest “war” without the advice, consent,
> support, or vote of the Canadian Parliament.
>
> What David Amos and the rest of the ignorant, uneducated, and babbling
> chattering classes are too addled to understand is the deployment of
> less than 75 special operations troops, and what is known by planners
> as a “six pac cell” of fighter aircraft is NOT the same as a
> deployment of a Battle Group, nor a “war” make.
>
> The Canadian Government or The Crown unlike our amerkan cousins have
> the “constitutional authority” to commit the Canadian nation to war.
> That has been recently clearly articulated to the Canadian public by
> constitutional scholar Phillippe Legasse. What Parliament can do is
> remove “confidence” in The Crown’s Government in a “vote of
> non-confidence.” That could not happen to the Chretien Government
> regarding deployment to Afghanistan, and it won’t happen in this
> instance with the conservative majority in The Commons regarding a
> limited Canadian deployment to the Middle East.
>
> President George Bush was quite correct after 911 and the terror
> attacks in New York; that the Taliban “occupied” and “failed state”
> Afghanistan was the source of logistical support, command and control,
> and training for the Al Quaeda war of terror against the world. The
> initial defeat, and removal from control of Afghanistan was vital and
>
> P.S. Whereas this CBC article is about your opinion of the actions of
> the latest Minister Of Health trust that Mr Boudreau and the CBC have
> had my files for many years and the last thing they are is ethical.
> Ask his friends Mr Murphy and the RCMP if you don't believe me.
>
> Subject:
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:35 -0400
> From: "Murphy, Michael B. \(DH/MS\)"MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca
> To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>
> January 30, 2007
>
> WITHOUT PREJUDICE
>
> Mr. David Amos
>
> Dear Mr. Amos:
>
> This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29,
> 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP.
>
> Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have
> taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve
> Graham of the RCMP “J” Division in Fredericton.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Honourable Michael B. Murphy
> Minister of Health
>
> CM/cb
>
>
> Warren McBeath warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote:
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:34:53 -0500
> From: "Warren McBeath"warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
> To: kilgoursite@ca.inter.net, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca,
> nada.sarkis@gnb.ca, wally.stiles@gnb.ca, dwatch@web.net,
> motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
> CC: ottawa@chuckstrahl.com, riding@chuckstrahl.com,John.
> Oda.B@parl.gc.ca,"Bev BUSSON"bev.busson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
> "Paul Dube"PAUL.DUBE@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
> Subject: Re: Remember me Kilgour? Landslide Annie McLellan has
> forgotten me but the crooks within the RCMP have not
>
> Dear Mr. Amos,
>
> Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off
> over the holidays and returned to work this evening. Rest assured I
> was not ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns.
>
> As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our position
> is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process
> testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the
> Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these
> services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this
> instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done.
>
> As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false
> imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear
> that Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada
> the US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment
> and policing in Petitcodiac, NB.
>
> It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on
> December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Warren McBeath, Cpl.
> GRC Caledonia RCMP
> Traffic Services NCO
> Ph: (506) 387-2222
> Fax: (506) 387-4622
> E-mail warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>
>
>
> Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
> Office of the Integrity Commissioner
> Edgecombe House, 736 King Street
> Fredericton, N.B. CANADA E3B 5H1
> tel.: 506-457-7890
> fax: 506-444-5224
> e-mail:coi@gnb.ca
>
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Justice Website <JUSTWEB@novascotia.ca>
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:21:11 +0000
Subject: Emails to Department of Justice and Province of Nova Scotia
To: "motomaniac333@gmail.com"<motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Mr. Amos,
We acknowledge receipt of your recent emails to the Deputy Minister of
Justice and lawyers within the Legal Services Division of the
Department of Justice respecting a possible claim against the Province
of Nova Scotia. Service of any documents respecting a legal claim
against the Province of Nova Scotia may be served on the Attorney
General at 1690 Hollis Street, Halifax, NS. Please note that we will
not be responding to further emails on this matter.
Department of Justice
On 8/3/17, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
> If want something very serious to download and laugh at as well Please
> Enjoy and share real wiretap tapes of the mob
>
> http://thedavidamosrant.
> ilian.html
>
>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/
>>
>> As the CBC etc yap about Yankee wiretaps and whistleblowers I must
>> ask them the obvious question AIN'T THEY FORGETTING SOMETHING????
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>>
>> What the hell does the media think my Yankee lawyer served upon the
>> USDOJ right after I ran for and seat in the 39th Parliament baseball
>> cards?
>>
>> http://archive.org/details/
>> 6
>>
>> http://davidamos.blogspot.ca/
>>
>> http://www.archive.org/
>>
>> http://archive.org/details/
>>
>> FEDERAL EXPRES February 7, 2006
>> Senator Arlen Specter
>> United States Senate
>> Committee on the Judiciary
>> 224 Dirksen Senate Office Building
>> Washington, DC 20510
>>
>> Dear Mr. Specter:
>>
>> I have been asked to forward the enclosed tapes to you from a man
>> named, David Amos, a Canadian citizen, in connection with the matters
>> raised in the attached letter.
>>
>> Mr. Amos has represented to me that these are illegal FBI wire tap tapes.
>>
>> I believe Mr. Amos has been in contact with you about this previously.
>>
>> Very truly yours,
>> Barry A. Bachrach
>> Direct telephone: (508) 926-3403
>> Direct facsimile: (508) 929-3003
>> Email: bbachrach@bowditch.com
>>
>
http://davidraymondamos3.
Sunday, 19 November 2017
Federal Court of Appeal Finally Makes The BIG Decision And Publishes
It Now The Crooks Cannot Take Back Ticket To Try Put My Matter Before
The Supreme Court
https://decisions.fct-cf.gc.
Federal Court of Appeal Decisions
Amos v. Canada
Court (s) Database
Federal Court of Appeal Decisions
Date
2017-10-30
Neutral citation
2017 FCA 213
File numbers
A-48-16
Date: 20171030
Docket: A-48-16
Citation: 2017 FCA 213
CORAM:
WEBB J.A.
NEAR J.A.
GLEASON J.A.
BETWEEN:
DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
Respondent on the cross-appeal
(and formally Appellant)
and
HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
Appellant on the cross-appeal
(and formerly Respondent)
Heard at Fredericton, New Brunswick, on May 24, 2017.
Judgment delivered at Ottawa, Ontario, on October 30, 2017.
REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY:
THE COURT
Date: 20171030
Docket: A-48-16
Citation: 2017 FCA 213
CORAM:
WEBB J.A.
NEAR J.A.
GLEASON J.A.
BETWEEN:
DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
Respondent on the cross-appeal
(and formally Appellant)
and
HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
Appellant on the cross-appeal
(and formerly Respondent)
REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY THE COURT
I. Introduction
[1] On September 16, 2015, David Raymond Amos (Mr. Amos)
filed a 53-page Statement of Claim (the Claim) in Federal Court
against Her Majesty the Queen (the Crown). Mr. Amos claims $11 million
in damages and a public apology from the Prime Minister and Provincial
Premiers for being illegally barred from accessing parliamentary
properties and seeks a declaration from the Minister of Public Safety
that the Canadian Government will no longer allow the Royal Canadian
Mounted Police (RCMP) and Canadian Forces to harass him and his clan
(Claim at para. 96).
[2] On November 12, 2015 (Docket T-1557-15), by way of a
motion brought by the Crown, a prothonotary of the Federal Court (the
Prothonotary) struck the Claim in its entirety, without leave to
amend, on the basis that it was plain and obvious that the Claim
disclosed no reasonable claim, the Claim was fundamentally vexatious,
and the Claim could not be salvaged by way of further amendment (the
Prothontary’s Order).
[3] On January 25, 2016 (2016 FC 93), by way of Mr.
Amos’ appeal from the Prothonotary’s Order, a judge of the Federal
Court (the Judge), reviewing the matter de novo, struck all of Mr.
Amos’ claims for relief with the exception of the claim for damages
for being barred by the RCMP from the New Brunswick legislature in
2004 (the Federal Court Judgment).
[4] Mr. Amos appealed and the Crown cross-appealed the
Federal Court Judgment. Further to the issuance of a Notice of Status
Review, Mr. Amos’ appeal was dismissed for delay on December 19, 2016.
As such, the only matter before this Court is the Crown’s
cross-appeal.
II. Preliminary Matter
[5] Mr. Amos, in his memorandum of fact and law in
relation to the cross-appeal that was filed with this Court on March
6, 2017, indicated that several judges of this Court, including two of
the judges of this panel, had a conflict of interest in this appeal.
This was the first time that he identified the judges whom he believed
had a conflict of interest in a document that was filed with this
Court. In his notice of appeal he had alluded to a conflict with
several judges but did not name those judges.
[6] Mr. Amos was of the view that he did not have to
identify the judges in any document filed with this Court because he
had identified the judges in various documents that had been filed
with the Federal Court. In his view the Federal Court and the Federal
Court of Appeal are the same court and therefore any document filed in
the Federal Court would be filed in this Court. This view is based on
subsections 5(4) and 5.1(4) of the Federal Courts Act, R.S.C., 1985,
c. F-7:
5(4) Every judge of the Federal Court is, by virtue of his or her
office, a judge of the Federal Court of Appeal and has all the
jurisdiction, power and authority of a judge of the Federal Court of
Appeal.
[…]
5(4) Les juges de la Cour fédérale sont d’office juges de la Cour
d’appel fédérale et ont la même compétence et les mêmes pouvoirs que
les juges de la Cour d’appel fédérale.
[…]
5.1(4) Every judge of the Federal Court of Appeal is, by virtue of
that office, a judge of the Federal Court and has all the
jurisdiction, power and authority of a judge of the Federal Court.
5.1(4) Les juges de la Cour d’appel fédérale sont d’office juges de la
Cour fédérale et ont la même compétence et les mêmes pouvoirs que les
juges de la Cour fédérale.
[7] However, these subsections only provide that the
judges of the Federal Court are also judges of this Court (and vice
versa). It does not mean that there is only one court. If the Federal
Court and this Court were one Court, there would be no need for this
section.
[8] Sections 3 and 4 of the Federal Courts Act provide that:
3 The division of the Federal Court of Canada called the Federal Court
— Appeal Division is continued under the name “Federal Court of
Appeal” in English and “Cour d’appel fédérale” in French. It is
continued as an additional court of law, equity and admiralty in and
for Canada, for the better administration of the laws of Canada and as
a superior court of record having civil and criminal jurisdiction.
3 La Section d’appel, aussi appelée la Cour d’appel ou la Cour d’appel
fédérale, est maintenue et dénommée « Cour d’appel fédérale » en
français et « Federal Court of Appeal » en anglais. Elle est maintenue
à titre de tribunal additionnel de droit, d’equity et d’amirauté du
Canada, propre à améliorer l’application du droit canadien, et
continue d’être une cour supérieure d’archives ayant compétence en
matière civile et pénale.
4 The division of the Federal Court of Canada called the Federal Court
— Trial Division is continued under the name “Federal Court” in
English and “Cour fédérale” in French. It is continued as an
additional court of law, equity and admiralty in and for Canada, for
the better administration of the laws of Canada and as a superior
court of record having civil and criminal jurisdiction.
4 La section de la Cour fédérale du Canada, appelée la Section de
première instance de la Cour fédérale, est maintenue et dénommée «
Cour fédérale » en français et « Federal Court » en anglais. Elle est
maintenue à titre de tribunal additionnel de droit, d’equity et
d’amirauté du Canada, propre à améliorer l’application du droit
canadien, et continue d’être une cour supérieure d’archives ayant
compétence en matière civile et pénale.
[9] Sections 3 and 4 of the Federal Courts Act create
two separate courts – this Court (section 3) and the Federal Court
(section 4). If, as Mr. Amos suggests, documents filed in the Federal
Court were automatically also filed in this Court, then there would no
need for the parties to prepare and file appeal books as required by
Rules 343 to 345 of the Federal Courts Rules, SOR/98-106 in relation
to any appeal from a decision of the Federal Court. The requirement to
file an appeal book with this Court in relation to an appeal from a
decision of the Federal Court makes it clear that the only documents
that will be before this Court are the documents that are part of that
appeal book.
[10] Therefore, the memorandum of fact and law filed on
March 6, 2017 is the first document, filed with this Court, in which
Mr. Amos identified the particular judges that he submits have a
conflict in any matter related to him.
[11] On April 3, 2017, Mr. Amos attempted to bring a motion
before the Federal Court seeking an order “affirming or denying the
conflict of interest he has” with a number of judges of the Federal
Court. A judge of the Federal Court issued a direction noting that if
Mr. Amos was seeking this order in relation to judges of the Federal
Court of Appeal, it was beyond the jurisdiction of the Federal Court.
Mr. Amos raised the Federal Court motion at the hearing of this
cross-appeal. The Federal Court motion is not a motion before this
Court and, as such, the submissions filed before the Federal Court
will not be entertained. As well, since this was a motion brought
before the Federal Court (and not this Court), any documents filed in
relation to that motion are not part of the record of this Court.
[12] During the hearing of the appeal Mr. Amos alleged that
the third member of this panel also had a conflict of interest and
submitted some documents that, in his view, supported his claim of a
conflict. Mr. Amos, following the hearing of his appeal, was also
afforded the opportunity to provide a brief summary of the conflict
that he was alleging and to file additional documents that, in his
view, supported his allegations. Mr. Amos submitted several pages of
documents in relation to the alleged conflicts. He organized the
documents by submitting a copy of the biography of the particular
judge and then, immediately following that biography, by including
copies of the documents that, in his view, supported his claim that
such judge had a conflict.
[13] The nature of the alleged conflict of Justice Webb is
that before he was appointed as a Judge of the Tax Court of Canada in
2006, he was a partner with the law firm Patterson Law, and before
that with Patterson Palmer in Nova Scotia. Mr. Amos submitted that he
had a number of disputes with Patterson Palmer and Patterson Law and
therefore Justice Webb has a conflict simply because he was a partner
of these firms. Mr. Amos is not alleging that Justice Webb was
personally involved in or had any knowledge of any matter in which Mr.
Amos was involved with Justice Webb’s former law firm – only that he
was a member of such firm.
[14] During his oral submissions at the hearing of his
appeal Mr. Amos, in relation to the alleged conflict for Justice Webb,
focused on dealings between himself and a particular lawyer at
Patterson Law. However, none of the documents submitted by Mr. Amos at
the hearing or subsequently related to any dealings with this
particular lawyer nor is it clear when Mr. Amos was dealing with this
lawyer. In particular, it is far from clear whether such dealings were
after the time that Justice Webb was appointed as a Judge of the Tax
Court of Canada over 10 years ago.
[15] The documents that he submitted in relation to the
alleged conflict for Justice Webb largely relate to dealings between
Byron Prior and the St. John’s Newfoundland and Labrador office of
Patterson Palmer, which is not in the same province where Justice Webb
practiced law. The only document that indicates any dealing between
Mr. Amos and Patterson Palmer is a copy of an affidavit of Stephen May
who was a partner in the St. John’s NL office of Patterson Palmer. The
affidavit is dated January 24, 2005 and refers to a number of e-mails
that were sent by Mr. Amos to Stephen May. Mr. Amos also included a
letter that is addressed to four individuals, one of whom is John
Crosbie who was counsel to the St. John’s NL office of Patterson
Palmer. The letter is dated September 2, 2004 and is addressed to
“John Crosbie, c/o Greg G. Byrne, Suite 502, 570 Queen Street,
Fredericton, NB E3B 5E3”. In this letter Mr. Amos alludes to a
possible lawsuit against Patterson Palmer.
[16] Mr. Amos’ position is that simply because Justice Webb
was a lawyer with Patterson Palmer, he now has a conflict. In Wewaykum
Indian Band v. Her Majesty the Queen, 2003 SCC 45, [2003] 2 S.C.R.
259, the Supreme Court of Canada noted that disqualification of a
judge is to be determined based on whether there is a reasonable
apprehension of bias:
60 In Canadian law, one standard has now emerged as the
criterion for disqualification. The criterion, as expressed by de
Grandpré J. in Committee for Justice and Liberty v. National Energy
Board, …[[1978] 1 S.C.R. 369, 68 D.L.R. (3d) 716], at p. 394, is the
reasonable apprehension of bias:
… the apprehension of bias must be a reasonable one, held by
reasonable and right minded persons, applying themselves to the
question and obtaining thereon the required information. In the words
of the Court of Appeal, that test is "what would an informed person,
viewing the matter realistically and practically -- and having thought
the matter through -- conclude. Would he think that it is more likely
than not that [the decision-maker], whether consciously or
unconsciously, would not decide fairly."
[17] The issue to be determined is whether an informed
person, viewing the matter realistically and practically, and having
thought the matter through, would conclude that Mr. Amos’ allegations
give rise to a reasonable apprehension of bias. As this Court has
previously remarked, “there is a strong presumption that judges will
administer justice impartially” and this presumption will not be
rebutted in the absence of “convincing evidence” of bias (Collins v.
Canada, 2011 FCA 140 at para. 7, [2011] 4 C.T.C. 157 [Collins]. See
also R. v. S. (R.D.), [1997] 3 S.C.R. 484 at para. 32, 151 D.L.R.
(4th) 193).
[18] The Ontario Court of Appeal in Rando Drugs Ltd. v.
Scott, 2007 ONCA 553, 86 O.R. (3d) 653 (leave to appeal to the Supreme
Court of Canada refused, 32285 (August 1, 2007)), addressed the
particular issue of whether a judge is disqualified from hearing a
case simply because he had been a member of a law firm that was
involved in the litigation that was now before that judge. The Ontario
Court of Appeal determined that the judge was not disqualified if the
judge had no involvement with the person or the matter when he was a
lawyer. The Ontario Court of Appeal also explained that the rules for
determining whether a judge is disqualified are different from the
rules to determine whether a lawyer has a conflict:
27 Thus, disqualification is not the natural corollary to a
finding that a trial judge has had some involvement in a case over
which he or she is now presiding. Where the judge had no involvement,
as here, it cannot be said that the judge is disqualified.
28 The point can rightly be made that had Mr. Patterson been
asked to represent the appellant as counsel before his appointment to
the bench, the conflict rules would likely have prevented him from
taking the case because his firm had formerly represented one of the
defendants in the case. Thus, it is argued how is it that as a trial
judge Patterson J. can hear the case? This issue was considered by the
Court of Appeal (Civil Division) in Locabail (U.K.) Ltd. v. Bayfield
Properties Ltd., [2000] Q.B. 451. The court held, at para. 58, that
there is no inflexible rule governing the disqualification of a judge
and that, "[e]verything depends on the circumstances."
29 It seems to me that what appears at first sight to be an
inconsistency in application of rules can be explained by the
different contexts and in particular, the strong presumption of
judicial impartiality that applies in the context of disqualification
of a judge. There is no such presumption in cases of allegations of
conflict of interest against a lawyer because of a firm's previous
involvement in the case. To the contrary, as explained by Sopinka J.
in MacDonald Estate v. Martin (1990), 77 D.L.R. (4th) 249 (S.C.C.),
for sound policy reasons there is a presumption of a disqualifying
interest that can rarely be overcome. In particular, a conclusory
statement from the lawyer that he or she had no confidential
information about the case will never be sufficient. The case is the
opposite where the allegation of bias is made against a trial judge.
His or her statement that he or she knew nothing about the case and
had no involvement in it will ordinarily be accepted at face value
unless there is good reason to doubt it: see Locabail, at para. 19.
30 That brings me then to consider the particular circumstances
of this case and whether there are serious grounds to find a
disqualifying conflict of interest in this case. In my view, there are
two significant factors that justify the trial judge's decision not to
recuse himself. The first is his statement, which all parties accept,
that he knew nothing of the case when it was in his former firm and
that he had nothing to do with it. The second is the long passage of
time. As was said in Wewaykum, at para. 85:
To us, one significant factor stands out, and must inform
the perspective of the reasonable person assessing the impact of this
involvement on Binnie J.'s impartiality in the appeals. That factor is
the passage of time. Most arguments for disqualification rest on
circumstances that are either contemporaneous to the decision-making,
or that occurred within a short time prior to the decision-making.
31 There are other factors that inform the issue. The Wilson
Walker firm no longer acted for any of the parties by the time of
trial. More importantly, at the time of the motion, Patterson J. had
been a judge for six years and thus had not had a relationship with
his former firm for a considerable period of time.
32 In my view, a reasonable person, viewing the matter
realistically would conclude that the trial judge could deal fairly
and impartially with this case. I take this view principally because
of the long passage of time and the trial judge's lack of involvement
in or knowledge of the case when the Wilson Walker firm had carriage.
In these circumstances it cannot be reasonably contended that the
trial judge could not remain impartial in the case. The mere fact that
his name appears on the letterhead of some correspondence from over a
decade ago would not lead a reasonable person to believe that he would
either consciously or unconsciously favour his former firm's former
client. It is simply not realistic to think that a judge would throw
off his mantle of impartiality, ignore his oath of office and favour a
client - about whom he knew nothing - of a firm that he left six years
earlier and that no longer acts for the client, in a case involving
events from over a decade ago.
(emphasis added)
[19] Justice Webb had no involvement with any matter
involving Mr. Amos while he was a member of Patterson Palmer or
Patterson Law, nor does Mr. Amos suggest that he did. Mr. Amos made it
clear during the hearing of this matter that the only reason for the
alleged conflict for Justice Webb was that he was a member of
Patterson Law and Patterson Palmer. This is simply not enough for
Justice Webb to be disqualified. Any involvement of Mr. Amos with
Patterson Law while Justice Webb was a member of that firm would have
had to occur over 10 years ago and even longer for the time when he
was a member of Patterson Palmer. In addition to the lack of any
involvement on his part with any matter or dispute that Mr. Amos had
with Patterson Law or Patterson Palmer (which in and of itself is
sufficient to dispose of this matter), the length of time since
Justice Webb was a member of Patterson Law or Patterson Palmer would
also result in the same finding – that there is no conflict in Justice
Webb hearing this appeal.
[20] Similarly in R. v. Bagot, 2000 MBCA 30, 145 Man. R.
(2d) 260, the Manitoba Court of Appeal found that there was no
reasonable apprehension of bias when a judge, who had been a member of
the law firm that had been retained by the accused, had no involvement
with the accused while he was a lawyer with that firm.
[21] In Del Zotto v. Minister of National Revenue, [2000] 4
F.C. 321, 257 N.R. 96, this court did find that there would be a
reasonable apprehension of bias where a judge, who while he was a
lawyer, had recorded time on a matter involving the same person who
was before that judge. However, this case can be distinguished as
Justice Webb did not have any time recorded on any files involving Mr.
Amos while he was a lawyer with Patterson Palmer or Patterson Law.
[22] Mr. Amos also included with his submissions a CD. He
stated in his affidavit dated June 26, 2017 that there is a “true copy
of an American police surveillance wiretap entitled 139” on this CD.
He has also indicated that he has “provided a true copy of the CD
entitled 139 to many American and Canadian law enforcement authorities
and not one of the police forces or officers of the court are willing
to investigate it”. Since he has indicated that this is an “American
police surveillance wiretap”, this is a matter for the American law
enforcement authorities and cannot create, as Mr. Amos suggests, a
conflict of interest for any judge to whom he provides a copy.
[23] As a result, there is no conflict or reasonable
apprehension of bias for Justice Webb and therefore, no reason for him
to recuse himself.
[24] Mr. Amos alleged that Justice Near’s past professional
experience with the government created a “quasi-conflict” in deciding
the cross-appeal. Mr. Amos provided no details and Justice Near
confirmed that he had no prior knowledge of the matters alleged in the
Claim. Justice Near sees no reason to recuse himself.
[25] Insofar as it is possible to glean the basis for Mr.
Amos’ allegations against Justice Gleason, it appears that he alleges
that she is incapable of hearing this appeal because he says he wrote
a letter to Brian Mulroney and Jean Chrétien in 2004. At that time,
both Justice Gleason and Mr. Mulroney were partners in the law firm
Ogilvy Renault, LLP. The letter in question, which is rude and angry,
begins with “Hey you two Evil Old Smiling Bastards” and “Re: me suing
you and your little dogs too”. There is no indication that the letter
was ever responded to or that a law suit was ever commenced by Mr.
Amos against Mr. Mulroney. In the circumstances, there is no reason
for Justice Gleason to recuse herself as the letter in question does
not give rise to a reasonable apprehension of bias.
III. Issue
[26] The issue on the cross-appeal is as follows: Did the
Judge err in setting aside the Prothonotary’s Order striking the Claim
in its entirety without leave to amend and in determining that Mr.
Amos’ allegation that the RCMP barred him from the New Brunswick
legislature in 2004 was capable of supporting a cause of action?
IV. Analysis
A. Standard of Review
[27] Following the Judge’s decision to set aside the
Prothonotary’s Order, this Court revisited the standard of review to
be applied to discretionary decisions of prothonotaries and decisions
made by judges on appeals of prothonotaries’ decisions in Hospira
Healthcare Corp. v. Kennedy Institute of Rheumatology, 2016 FCA 215,
402 D.L.R. (4th) 497 [Hospira]. In Hospira, a five-member panel of
this Court replaced the Aqua-Gem standard of review with that
articulated in Housen v. Nikolaisen, 2002 SCC 33, [2002] 2 S.C.R. 235
[Housen]. As a result, it is no longer appropriate for the Federal
Court to conduct a de novo review of a discretionary order made by a
prothonotary in regard to questions vital to the final issue of the
case. Rather, a Federal Court judge can only intervene on appeal if
the prothonotary made an error of law or a palpable and overriding
error in determining a question of fact or question of mixed fact and
law (Hospira at para. 79). Further, this Court can only interfere with
a Federal Court judge’s review of a prothonotary’s discretionary order
if the judge made an error of law or palpable and overriding error in
determining a question of fact or question of mixed fact and law
(Hospira at paras. 82-83).
[28] In the case at bar, the Judge substituted his own
assessment of Mr. Amos’ Claim for that of the Prothonotary. This Court
must look to the Prothonotary’s Order to determine whether the Judge
erred in law or made a palpable and overriding error in choosing to
interfere.
B. Did the Judge err in interfering with the
Prothonotary’s Order?
[29] The Prothontoary’s Order accepted the following
paragraphs from the Crown’s submissions as the basis for striking the
Claim in its entirety without leave to amend:
17. Within the 96 paragraph Statement of Claim, the Plaintiff
addresses his complaint in paragraphs 14-24, inclusive. All but four
of those paragraphs are dedicated to an incident that occurred in 2006
in and around the legislature in New Brunswick. The jurisdiction of
the Federal Court does not extend to Her Majesty the Queen in right of
the Provinces. In any event, the Plaintiff hasn’t named the Province
or provincial actors as parties to this action. The incident alleged
does not give rise to a justiciable cause of action in this Court.
(…)
21. The few paragraphs that directly address the Defendant
provide no details as to the individuals involved or the location of
the alleged incidents or other details sufficient to allow the
Defendant to respond. As a result, it is difficult or impossible to
determine the causes of action the Plaintiff is attempting to advance.
A generous reading of the Statement of Claim allows the Defendant to
only speculate as to the true and/or intended cause of action. At
best, the Plaintiff’s action may possibly be summarized as: he
suspects he is barred from the House of Commons.
[footnotes omitted].
[30] The Judge determined that he could not strike the Claim
on the same jurisdictional basis as the Prothonotary. The Judge noted
that the Federal Court has jurisdiction over claims based on the
liability of Federal Crown servants like the RCMP and that the actors
who barred Mr. Amos from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004
included the RCMP (Federal Court Judgment at para. 23). In considering
the viability of these allegations de novo, the Judge identified
paragraph 14 of the Claim as containing “some precision” as it
identifies the date of the event and a RCMP officer acting as
Aide-de-Camp to the Lieutenant Governor (Federal Court Judgment at
para. 27).
[31] The Judge noted that the 2004 event could support a
cause of action in the tort of misfeasance in public office and
identified the elements of the tort as excerpted from Meigs v. Canada,
2013 FC 389, 431 F.T.R. 111:
[13] As in both the cases of Odhavji Estate v Woodhouse, 2003 SCC
69 [Odhavji] and Lewis v Canada, 2012 FC 1514 [Lewis], I must
determine whether the plaintiffs’ statement of claim pleads each
element of the alleged tort of misfeasance in public office:
a) The public officer must have engaged in deliberate and unlawful
conduct in his or her capacity as public officer;
b) The public officer must have been aware both that his or her
conduct was unlawful and that it was likely to harm the plaintiff; and
c) There must be an element of bad faith or dishonesty by the public
officer and knowledge of harm alone is insufficient to conclude that a
public officer acted in bad faith or dishonestly.
Odhavji, above, at paras 23, 24 and 28
(Federal Court Judgment at para. 28).
[32] The Judge determined that Mr. Amos disclosed sufficient
material facts to meet the elements of the tort of misfeasance in
public office because the actors, who barred him from the New
Brunswick legislature in 2004, including the RCMP, did so for
“political reasons” (Federal Court Judgment at para. 29).
[33] This Court’s discussion of the sufficiency of pleadings
in Merchant Law Group v. Canada (Revenue Agency), 2010 FCA 184, 321
D.L.R (4th) 301 is particularly apt:
…When pleading bad faith or abuse of power, it is not enough to
assert, baldly, conclusory phrases such as “deliberately or
negligently,” “callous disregard,” or “by fraud and theft did steal”.
“The bare assertion of a conclusion upon which the court is called
upon to pronounce is not an allegation of material fact”. Making bald,
conclusory allegations without any evidentiary foundation is an abuse
of process…
To this, I would add that the tort of misfeasance in public office
requires a particular state of mind of a public officer in carrying
out the impunged action, i.e., deliberate conduct which the public
officer knows to be inconsistent with the obligations of his or her
office. For this tort, particularization of the allegations is
mandatory. Rule 181 specifically requires particularization of
allegations of “breach of trust,” “wilful default,” “state of mind of
a person,” “malice” or “fraudulent intention.”
(at paras. 34-35, citations omitted).
[34] Applying the Housen standard of review to the
Prothonotary’s Order, we are of the view that the Judge interfered
absent a legal or palpable and overriding error.
[35] The Prothonotary determined that Mr. Amos’ Claim
disclosed no reasonable claim and was fundamentally vexatious on the
basis of jurisdictional concerns and the absence of material facts to
ground a cause of action. Paragraph 14 of the Claim, which addresses
the 2004 event, pleads no material facts as to how the RCMP officer
engaged in deliberate and unlawful conduct, knew that his or her
conduct was unlawful and likely to harm Mr. Amos, and acted in bad
faith. While the Claim alleges elsewhere that Mr. Amos was barred from
the New Brunswick legislature for political and/or malicious reasons,
these allegations are not particularized and are directed against
non-federal actors, such as the Sergeant-at-Arms of the Legislative
Assembly of New Brunswick and the Fredericton Police Force. As such,
the Judge erred in determining that Mr. Amos’ allegation that the RCMP
barred him from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004 was capable of
supporting a cause of action.
[36] In our view, the Claim is made up entirely of bare
allegations, devoid of any detail, such that it discloses no
reasonable cause of action within the jurisdiction of the Federal
Courts. Therefore, the Judge erred in interfering to set aside the
Prothonotary’s Order striking the claim in its entirety. Further, we
find that the Prothonotary made no error in denying leave to amend.
The deficiencies in Mr. Amos’ pleadings are so extensive such that
amendment could not cure them (see Collins at para. 26).
V. Conclusion
[37] For the foregoing reasons, we would allow the Crown’s
cross-appeal, with costs, setting aside the Federal Court Judgment,
dated January 25, 2016 and restoring the Prothonotary’s Order, dated
November 12, 2015, which struck Mr. Amos’ Claim in its entirety
without leave to amend.
"Wyman W. Webb"
J.A.
"David G. Near"
J.A.
"Mary J.L. Gleason"
J.A.
FEDERAL COURT OF APPEAL
NAMES OF COUNSEL AND SOLICITORS OF RECORD
A CROSS-APPEAL FROM AN ORDER OF THE HONOURABLE JUSTICE SOUTHCOTT DATED
JANUARY 25, 2016; DOCKET NUMBER T-1557-15.
DOCKET:
A-48-16
STYLE OF CAUSE:
DAVID RAYMOND AMOS v. HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
PLACE OF HEARING:
Fredericton,
New Brunswick
DATE OF HEARING:
May 24, 2017
REASONS FOR JUDGMENT OF THE COURT BY:
WEBB J.A.
NEAR J.A.
GLEASON J.A.
DATED:
October 30, 2017
APPEARANCES:
David Raymond Amos
For The Appellant / respondent on cross-appeal
(on his own behalf)
Jan Jensen
For The Respondent / appELLANT ON CROSS-APPEAL
SOLICITORS OF RECORD:
Nathalie G. Drouin
Deputy Attorney General of Canada
For The Respondent / APPELLANT ON CROSS-APPEAL
Friday, 18 September 2015
David Raymond Amos Versus The Crown T-1557-15
From: "Murphy, Michael B. \(DH/MS\)" MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca
To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
January 30, 2007
WITHOUT PREJUDICE
Mr. David Amos
Dear Mr. Amos:
This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December
Sincerely,
Honourable Michael B. Murphy
Minister of Health”
To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com,
Subject: Fredericton Police Force
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:21:13 -0300
Fredericton Police Force
311 Queen St.
Fredericton, NB
506-460-2332
News Release
New Brunswickers will be consulted on mental health strategy
21 May 2008FREDERICTON (CNB) - New Brunswickers will be involved in developing a provincial mental health strategy during consultations to be held around the province, Health Minister Michael Murphy announced today.
"A new provincial strategy will transform mental health services so we can better meet the needs of patients and enable all our residents to contribute to and benefit from a self-sufficient New Brunswick," Murphy said.
The development of a mental health strategy is a key initiative in the provincial health plan unveiled by Murphy in April. The plan calls for a review of current mental health services in order to examine strengths and gaps.
Murphy said that a task force headed by provincial court judge Michael McKee will be charged with carrying out public consultations around the province. Those consultations are planned for the fall.
First, an issues and options paper will be developed based on an analysis of existing documentation and input from key stakeholders. Among the documents to be reviewed will be Out of the Shadows at Last, a report on mental illness released last year, written by Senator Michael Kirby, and Connecting the Dots, a report on youth-at-risk and youth with complex needs, released this year by ombudsman Bernard Richard.
The issues and options paper will help foster discussions during a series of kitchen-table sessions that McKee will have during the summer with stakeholders representing mental health professionals, consumer organizations, families and other interested parties.
A mental health forum dealing with topics addressed by expert thinkers in mental health will be held in October. Potential topics include promotion and prevention; contributions of consumers and families; criminalization of the mentally ill; barriers to education and employment; and the mental health of children and youth.
The final phase will be regional consultations with stakeholders, to take place in November and December.
Murphy said that New Brunswickers will also be able to submit their ideas via a web-based consultation. That process will be established once the issues and options paper is released.
A final report is to be delivered to the minister of health by February 2009.
Murphy said that New Brunswick has a history of innovation in providing mental health services, including the establishment of community mental health centres and the mental health court for individuals who come into conflict with the law as a result of mental illness or intellectual disability.
"Our history is one of providing mental health services in the least restrictive fashion and within the community when at all possible," Murphy said. "Through the development of a provincial mental health strategy, we'll build on this history of putting the needs of patients first."
21-05-08Media Contact(s)
Johanne Le Blanc, communications, Health, 506-457-3513.
Order of Moncton - Judge Michael McKee
No matter where his career has taken retired Judge Michael McKee over the years, community service and support of those in need, has always been front and centre.
Ordained into the priesthood in 1966, Mr. McKee served with St. Augustine’s Parish in Moncton. Several years later, he became a prison chaplain at the Federal Penitentiary in Dorchester, where he earned the reputation as an empathetic and trusted counsellor. It was also in this role that he saw firsthand, the impact that mental health can have on the wellbeing of a community.
With an eye to making a difference, Mr. McKee turned to politics, and in 1974, was elected to represent the riding of Moncton North in the New Brunswick Legislature, which he did until 1992. During his time in government, he was known for being an approachable politician who not only took seriously the concerns of the community, but was committed to progress.
Also while serving in the Legislature, he completed a Bachelor of Laws degree at the University of New Brunswick. Then, when his party formed the government in 1987, he went on to become Minister of Labour and Multiculturalism. In this role, he encouraged tolerance and respect for the province’s increasingly diverse communities, and also worked to build trust among employers and unions.
In 1992, after serving 18 years as an MLA, Mr. McKee stepped down, as he was appointed to the bench as a Provincial Court Judge. During this time, he advocated for changes to the justice system, particularly in relation to mental health issues.
In 2008, when the province established a Mental Health Commission to review the province’s services, it was no surprise that Judge McKee was appointed Chair. In this capacity, he spearheaded an insightful report that has helped to transform how mental health services are perceived and delivered in New Brunswick.
In 2015, he retired from the Provincial Court, leaving behind a remarkable career that has always had community service at its core. Never one to say no to dedicating his time to worthwhile causes, he’s been actively involved with numerous boards, committees and community groups.
The Knights of Columbus, Moncton West Rotary Club, East End Boys’ and Girls’ Club and the Atlantic Wellness Community Centre, are just a few, over the years, that have benefitted from his participation.
A lover of sport, he has also donated his time to the Moncton Minor Football Association and the Beausejour Curling Club, and has coached teams in hockey and baseball.
With this lifelong commitment to service, Judge McKee has been honoured by dozens of organizations, including from St. Thomas University, the Canadian Paraplegic Association and the United Way.
A proud New Brunswicker, he and his wife Winnie are parents to Sheila and Rob.
Ray of Hope Needy Kitchen
| Record #: HDC1081 | Last Modified:20 May 2020 |
| Contact Information | |
|---|---|
| Office Phone | 506-857-4224 |
| Fax | 506-857-0020 |
| rayofhopekitchen@gmail.com | |
| Website | www.rayofhopemoncton.ca/index.html |
| Social Media |  Facebook: www.facebook.com/rayofhopeneedykitcheninc/ |
| Primary Contact | Greg Fennell, Manager, Ray of Hope Needy Kitchen; Phone: 506-857-4224; Email: gregafennell@gmail.com |
| Alternate Contact | David Small, Chair, Ray of Hope Needy Kitchen; Phone: 506-852-1704; Email: david.small@IGT.com |
| Primary Executive | Mike McKee, Board, Ray of Hope Needy Kitchen; Phone: 506-962-4111 |
| Description & Services | |
| Description of service(s) | Ray of Hope Needy Kitchen is a community based project started by the Knights of Columbus. It is a soup kitchen that is managed by volunteers who serve the Greater Moncton area. The kitchen serves at least one meal per day for those in need without discrimination between race, religion or color. |
| Hours | Mon-Fri 9 am-12 noon |
| Areas Served | Moncton - and surrounding areas |
| Languages | English ; French |
| Fees | None |
| Location information | |
| Located In Community | Moncton |
| Address & Map | St Augustine's Church 340 Dominion St Moncton, NB E1C 6H8 |
| Accessibility | Fully Accessible ; ***Note that accessibility is self-reported. Please contact the organization before arrival*** |
| Other Details | |
| Service Level | (51) Registered Charity |
| Subjects | |
| Service Categories | Homeless Meals |
From: Premier of Ontario | Premier ministre de l’Ontario <Premier@ontario.ca>
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 04:15:37 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Blaine Higgs, Chucky Leblanc, your buddies
in the RCMP and a few judges must remember Evelyn Greene and Sally
Brooks N'esy Pas Tyler Campbell?
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Thank you for your email. Your thoughts, comments and input are greatly valued.
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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 00:15:32 -0400
Subject: Blaine Higgs, Chucky Leblanc, your buddies in the RCMP and a
few judges must remember Evelyn Greene and Sally Brooks N'esy Pas
Tyler Campbell?
To: "tyler.campbell"<tyler.campbell@gnb.ca>, "blaine.higgs"
< blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>, oldmaison <oldmaison@yahoo.com>, andre
< andre@jafaust.com>, "Gilles.Blinn"<Gilles.Blinn@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>,
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< robert.mckee@gnb.ca>, "kris.austin"<kris.austin@gnb.ca>,
"rick.desaulniers"<rick.desaulniers@gnb.ca>, "michelle.conroy"
< michelle.conroy@gnb.ca>, "David.Coon"<David.Coon@gnb.ca>, "Arseneau,
Kevin (LEG)"<Kevin.A.Arseneau@gnb.ca>, "Mitton, Megan (LEG)"
< megan.mitton@gnb.ca>, "Kevin.leahy"<Kevin.leahy@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>,
"greg.byrne"<greg.byrne@gnb.ca>, "Brenda.Lucki"
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< Larry.Tremblay@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
wharrison <wharrison@nbpower.com>, judith.keating@gnb.ca, "jan.jensen"
< jan.jensen@justice.gc.ca>, "Jody.Wilson-Raybould"
< Jody.Wilson-Raybould@parl.gc.
< Nathalie.Drouin@justice.gc.ca
< Paul.Shuttle@pco-bcp.gc.ca>, "Katie.Telford"
< Katie.Telford@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>, pm <pm@pm.gc.ca>, tj <tj@burkelaw.ca>,
kelly <kelly@lamrockslaw.com>, law <law@stevenfoulds.ca>,
"Mark.Blakely"<Mark.Blakely@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "martin.gaudet"
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< markandcaroline@gmail.com>
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
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< ttracy@clc-ctc.ca>, Newsroom <Newsroom@globeandmail.com>, premier
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-----Original Message-----
From: David Amos
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 6:58 PM
To: oldmaison@yahoo.com ; mclaughlin.heather ; Wayne.Lang ; dean Ray
Cc: evelyngreene ; thepurplevioletpress ; Barry.MacKnight ; Barry
Winters ; Richard Harris ; danfour ; webo ; markandcaroline ;
maritime_malaise
Subject: Your butt buddies Chucky Leblanc and Chief Barry MacKnight
ain't very good at playing dumb this Hells Angel/FED bullshit is
getting real old EH Wayne Lang
----- Original Message -----
From: Evelyn Greene
To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 10:45 PM
Subject: RE: BTW Mr Lovely I am this David Amos I am sure Mr Zabel and
his law firm can explain
Hi David, are you a member of the Hells Angels or some other uncover
organization such as CSIS? Just wondering. Do you think that charles
LeBlanc thinks you are connected to the US feds or CSIS? Throw me a
bone David. You know that I am under attack here in New Brunswick for
reporting crime and it was recently I contacted CSIS. Thanks. Evelyn
----- Original Message -----
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 21:22:17 -0300
Subject: BTW Mr Lovely I am this David Amos I am sure Mr Zabel and his
law firm can explain
From: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
To: dschildmeier@mnarn.org; joseph.maher@caritaschristi.
mmchugh@mnarn.org; bmoloney@mnarn.org; press@calnurses.org;
.sacramento@calnurses.org; cb_santaclara@calnurses.org;
info@calnursesfoundation.org; ajamil@nationalnursesunited.
info@dcna.org; florida@nnoc.net; chicago@nnoc.net; msna@nnoc.net;
info@nationalnursesunited.org; mnnurses@mnnurses.org; masscare@aol.com
CC: william.zabel@srz.com; beirne_lovely@rcab.org;
maritime_malaise@yahoo.ca; evelyngreene@live.ca;
OccupyVancouver@gmail.com; OccupyBostonMedia@gmail.com;
occupyTOmedia@gmail.com; 9.17occupywallstreet@gmail.com
http://qslspolitics.blogspot.
http://www.checktheevidence.
I sure wish you had picked up the phone or called me back today I made
certain that many of the Nurses Unions knew who I was before the
protests last week. But there is a big one in Washington soon.
----- Original Message -----
From: Evelyn Greene
To: wayne.lang@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ; blaine.higgs@gnb.ca ;
david.alward@gnb.ca ; nancy.forbes@gnb.ca ; judith.keating@gnb.ca ;
luc.labonte@gnb.ca ; marie-claude.blais@gnb.ca ;
wishart.john@dailygleaner.com
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 9:28 PM
Subject: FW: Why are these muslims email me?
Dear Officer Lang: Will you be looking into this matter and try and
get an inquiry started in New Brunswick?
I went to the Police Commission on Friday afternoon last and the
Director, Pierre Beaudoin refused to take the evidence of the tampered
CCTV video tapes from Ambulance NB and the police and crown? What
will you be doing about this now? You are the only one left to
investigate, or are you?
Please advise.
Evelyn Greene
------------------------------
From: evelyngreene@live.ca
To: wayne.lang@rcmp-grc.gc.ca; blaine.higgs@gnb.ca;
david.alward@gnb.ca; nancy.forbes@gnb.ca; judith.keating@gnb.ca;
luc.labonte@gnb.ca; marie-claude.blais@gnb.ca;
wishart.john@dailygleaner.com; oldmaison@yahoo.com
Subject: FW: Why are these muslims email me?
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 02:04:45 -0200
Dear Officer Lang: I received this email from Dawn Goff who has a
sister-in-law, Cathy Goff, of works for CSIS and Cathy is married to
Alan Goff who is a dentist now working for the Govt. in Ottawa
(perhaps Indian affairs). I reported last year that Dawn Goff told me
she went to a telephone booth and called Cathy and Alan and Alan said
she is (Dawn) is playing dangerous game with these doctors (meaning
Dr. Ed Schollenberg, Dr. Donald Colfordrn; Dr. Oaei (sic) now deceased
and he used to be Dawn's son's psychiatrist who Dawn had long sexual
relationship with and Dawn told me that he said he would kill her if
she told; then there was Mohammed (Cal) who was working at St. Josephs
Hospital and now lives in Calgary. Then Dawn met other Muslim doctors
at places like Tim Horton's; some she says were set up for her to
meet; some would rape her; she said she received no money; it was
called dates. When she called Cathy and Allan on the phone from the
phone booth in St. John, she said she told Cathy Goff she was sending
Cathy a diary and for Cathy to hang on to it; also Dawn said she put a
copy in her safety deposit box. Up until I complained last year, Dawn
had a blog on the College's website, called something like "Dawn Tells
The Truth (Dancing With the Devil). It is still on Dr. Donald
Colford's website.
One day, Dr. Schollenberg's secretary, Clarice, told me she did not
know that the website had anything on it from Dawn Goff because, she
Clarice, was the only one who put things on that website. It was
taken off just a few months ago after I reported it.
Then last summer, Dr. Schollenberg wrote a reference letter for Dawn
Goff on College Letterhead as he knew Dawn wanted a job at St. John
Regional Hospital; a place he knew that she had slept with several
doctors. Also, in or around 2003 Dawn was in Fredericton and had too
much to drink at Sweetwaters; she called Donald Colford (Dr.) and he
sent a Mohammed, a male prostitute who was going to St. Thomas U. and
worked parttime at Multicultural Centre in Fred. He told Dawn later
that he knew Ed (Schollenberg). Dr. Donald Colford is gay and I am
unsure what Dr. Schollenberg's preference might be. He bragged to me
not to long ago that he and his family were visiting his daughter in
Nova Scotia and happened upon a "gay pride parade." I cannot imagine
how someone would find that exciting.
This Mohammed who picked Dawn up at Sweetwaters took her back to his
place and raped her violently. She went to ER in St. John Regional
and reported same and asked for a test for HIV and she said she spoke
to some guy who at that time was a social worker by the name of
McIntyre.
I also know that Dawn was responsible for reporting a Dr. Snow to the
College about 15 years ago for sexual assault and Dr. Snow paid her
off and retired. She said Ed and Donald helped her to get legal
advice.
To my knowledge, Dr. Schollenberg has not had sexual relationship with
Dawn, but she hints that he did something that may be connected to the
diary. What that is I do not know.
However, something stinks here. Dr. Ed Schollenberg knows Dawn's
history of unspeakable sexual abuse as a little girl whose uncle put a
whiskey bottle or wine bottle up her private parts, etc when she was 5
or 7. I believe she went to grade seven. After she reported Dr.
Snow, she got a job with the Govt. (Dept. of Fisheries). She told me
many stories of things that went on there.
I hope she is not sending my email address to any of these Muslim
doctors or whomever she knows.
I am asking that this be investigated.
Evelyn Greene
------------------------------
From: dawnangel999@hotmail.com
To: evelyngreene@live.ca
Subject: Why are these muslims email me?
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 23:20:22 -0200
Hi there , these emails keeen p coming and I am just cancel them . I
don't want to get viris or bugs either. On my way to bed . God Bless!
Did you hear from Ed on Friday? Busy weekend, my weekend off. Put
garden away. Bye and good night!God Bless! dawn
----- Original Message -----
From: Evelyn Greene
To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 9:24 PM
Subject: my blog on Charles LeBlanc's site
Hi David: Is there anyway that you can download my message off of
Charles' blog and send it out to the heads of government and to Ashley
Smith's mother.
There is stuff that Mrs. Smith should know.
Thank you.
Evelyn
P.S. Interesting that Dr. Braghava signed the Form 1 for you and he
is the one who asked me if I was there for a free lunch and he is
Sally's psychiatrist.
----- Original Message -----
From: Evelyn Greene evelyngreene@live.ca
To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 8:52 PM
Subject: RE: Hey Ken Who is Mental Health's and the Hospital in
Fredericton's lawyers?
H David. Thank you for the email. Do you mind if I sent it to my
friend Sally who is going thru similar stuff as me? I am not sure
what to think of Charles LeBlanc. Could you fill me in? Youare going
to get an earful in the near future. Do you know that I tried to
contact Barb Whitenect at Dept. of Health and the Minister of Health
put a stop to the communication. Mr. Zed in Sussex said there are
people who want me locked up. I have contacted Chief Commander of
RCMP, Wayne Lang, and he will not look at the evidence I have that the
police is covering up the CCTV video tape tampering when I got beaten
up outside Ambulance N.B on May 13/11.
What do you think of Charles Le Blance these days?
Evelyn Greene (see attached letter that I gave the Crown, the police
and the CBC and Daily Gleaner and Wayne Lang of RCMP--No one wants to
touch the video and I have copies that I took last Friday to head of
NB Police Commission who would not take them) Do you know someone in
Ottawa or elsewhere who would look at the video tapes on CD that are
evidence of crime?
----- Original Message -----
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 21:50:44 -0300
Subject: Fw: Hey Ken Who is Mental Health's and the Hospital in
Fredericton's lawyers?
From: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
To: evelyngreene@live.ca; mbmurphy@coxandpalmer.com;
jlaidlaw@coxandpalmer.com; oldmaison@yahoo.com;
Barry.MacKnight@fredericton.ca
Gilles.Blinn@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
CC: ken.ross@gnb.ca; maritime_malaise@yahoo.ca;
Barbara.Whitenect@gnb.ca; thepurplevioletpress@gmail.com
danfour@myginch.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ross, Ken (DH/MS)"<ken.ross@gnb.ca>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 08:43:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Hey Ken Who is Mental Health's and the Hospital in
Fredericton's lawyers?
To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
Got your messages Dave. I am in Toronto for meetings and will be back
in the office Friday. I will ask Barb Whitenect to follow up with you
in the interim. Yes Herby picked up ypur bike a while back.
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
--- On Wed, 7/9/08, David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com> wrote:
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
Subject: Hey Ken Who is Mental Health's and the Hospital in
Fredericton's lawyers?
To: ken.ross@gnb.ca, Barbara.Whitenect@gnb.ca, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca
Cc: rosaire.santerre@gnb.ca, Marc.Pitre@gnb.ca, David.Eidt@gnb.ca,
oldmaison@yahoo.com, Judy.Cyr@gnb.ca, t.j.burke@gnb.ca,
police@fredericton.ca, Carrie.Levesque@gnb.ca, anne.elgee@gnb.ca,
danny.copp@fredericton.ca, jacques.boucher@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 3:03 AM
KENNETH ROSS, Assistant Deputy Minister
Addictions and Mental Health Services / Health
Contact Information
Phone: (506) 457-4800
Fax: (506) 453-5243
BARBARA WHITENECT, Director
Addictions and Mental Health Services / Health
Contact Information
Phone: (506) 444-4442
Fax: (506) 453-8711
EMail Address: Barbara.Whitenect@gnb.ca
Sorry to involve you but lets just say that I am really really pissed
off for very justifiable reasons.
This should prove to some folks that at least I know how to read.
http://www.ahsc.health.nb.ca/
I have no doubt whatsoever that you would more pissed than I am if
the malicious bullshit that happened to me last weekend had happened
to you.
I will try to call you in business hours but I suspect in the end I
will wind up arguing this dude in court in short order. (On a lighter
note did Herby pick up my bike?)
David Eidt
Legal Services
Office of the Attorney General
Tel: (506) 453-3964
Fax: (506) 453-3275
david.eidt@gnb.ca
Best Regards
Dave
These emails and the bullshit from the news last year should to all
that I am as serious as a heart attack and far from mentally unstabe
but the cops have proven themselves to be monumental liars many times
Subject:
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:35 -0400
From: "Murphy, Michael B. \(DH/MS\)"MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca
To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
January 30, 2007
WITHOUT PREJUDICE
Mr. David Amos
Dear Mr. Amos:
This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29,
2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP.
Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have
taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve
Graham of the RCMP "J" Division in Fredericton.
Sincerely,
Honourable Michael B. Murphy
Minister of Health
CM/cb
Warren McBeath warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote:
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:34:53 -0500
From: "Warren McBeath"warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
To: kilgoursite@ca.inter.net, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca,
nada.sarkis@gnb.ca, wally.stiles@gnb.ca, dwatch@web.net,
motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
CC: ottawa@chuckstrahl.com, riding@chuckstrahl.com,
John.Foran@gnb.ca, Oda.B@parl.gc.ca,
"Bev BUSSON"bev.busson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
"Paul Dube"PAUL.DUBE@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
Subject: Re: Remember me Kilgour? Landslide Annie McLellan has
forgotten me but the crooks within the RCMP have n
Dear Mr. Amos,
Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off over
the holidays and returned to work this evening. Rest assured I was not
ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns.
As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our position
is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process
testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the
Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these
services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this
instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done.
As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false
imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear that
Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada and the
US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment policing in
Petitcodiac, NB.
It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on
December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors.
Sincerely,
Warren McBeath, Cpl.
GRC Caledonia RCMP
Traffic Services NCO
Ph: (506) 387-2222
Fax: (506) 387-4622
E-mail warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
charles leblanc oldmaison@yahoo.com wrote:
Where are ya living now???? Since the media seem to ignore ya? I'll
sit down for a debate with a recorder for the blog...Now? Don't get
all exicted and send this all over the world.....lol
----- Original Message ----
From: David Amos motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
To: brad.woodside@fredericton.ca; whalen@fredericton.ca;
david.kelly@fredericton.ca; cathy.maclaggan@fredericton.ca
stephen.kelly@fredericton.ca; tom.jellinek@fredericton.ca;
scott.mcconaghy@fredericton.ca
walter.brown@fredericton.ca; norah.davidson@fredericton.ca;
mike.obrien@fredericton.ca; bruce.grandy@fredericton.ca;
dan.keenan@fredericton.ca; jeff.mockler@gnb.ca;
mrichard@lawsociety-barreau.
jlmockler@mpor.ca; scotta@parl.gc.ca; michael.bray@gnb.ca;
jack.e.mackay@gnb.ca
Cc: news@dailygleaner.com; kcarmichael@bloomberg.net;
oldmaison@yahoo.com; advocacycollective@yahoo.com;
Easter.W@parl.gc.ca; Comartin.J@parl.gc.ca; cityadmin@fredericton.ca;
info@gg.ca; bmosher@mosherchedore.ca; rchedore@mosherchedore.ca;
police@fredericton.ca; chebert@thestar.ca; Stoffer.P@parl.gc.ca;
Stronach.B@parl.gc.ca; Matthews.B@parl.gc.ca; alltrue@nl.rogers.com;
Harper.S@parl.gc.ca; Layton.J@parl.gc.ca; Dryden.K@parl.gc.ca;
Duceppe.G@parl.gc.ca
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:37:04 PM
Subject: I promised one of the Fat Fred City cop Randy Reilly that I
would try to make him famous
http://www.youtube.com/
A man is only as good as his word EH? To bad priests, bankers,
politicians, lawyers and cops can't claim the same N'est Pas
http://actionlyme.org/FBI_
FEDERAL EXPRESS February 7, 2006
Senator Arlen Specter
United States Senate
Committee on the Judiciary
224 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Dear Mr. Specter:
I have been asked to forward the enclosed tapes to you from a man
named, David Amos, a Canadian citizen, in connection with the matters
raised in the attached letter. Mr. Amos has represented to me that
these are illegal FBI wire tap tapes. I believe Mr. Amos has been in
contact with you about this previously.
Very truly yours,
Barry A. Bachrach
Direct telephone: (508) 926-3403
Direct facsimile: (508) 929-3003
Email: bbachrach@bowditch.com
http://davidamos.blogspot.com/
Paulette Delaney-Smith Paulette.Delaney-Smith@rcmp-
David,
I received your voice mail, I have been transferred to another unit
and I am unaware of who is dealing with your complaints at this time.
Paulette Delaney-Smith, Cpl.
RCMPolice "J" DIvision HQ
http://gypsy-blog.blogspot.
Threat against Burke taken seriously
By STEPHEN LLEWELLYN
dgleg@nb.aibn.com
Published Thursday May 24th, 2007
Appeared on page A1
An RCMP security detail has been guarding Justice Minister and
Attorney General T.J. Burke because of threats made against him
recently.
Burke, the Liberal MLA for Fredericton-Fort Nashwaaksis, wouldn't
explain the nature of the threats.
"I have had a particular individual or individuals who have made
specific overtures about causing harm towards me," he told reporters
Wednesday.
"The RCMP has provided security to me recently by accompanying me to a
couple of public functions where the individual is known to reside or
have family members in the area," said Burke. "It is nice to have
some
added protection and that added comfort."
The RCMP provides protection to the premier and MLAs with its VIP security
unit.
Burke didn't say when the threat was made but it's believed to have
been in recent weeks.
"When a threat is posed to you and it is a credible threat, you have
to be cautious about where you go and who you are around," he said.
"But again, I am more concerned about my family as opposed to my own
personal safety."
Burke said he doesn't feel any differently and he has not changed his
pattern of activity.
"It doesn't bother me one bit," he said. "It makes my wife
feel awful nervous."
Burke served in an elite American military unit before becoming a
lawyer and going into politics in New Brunswick.
"(I) have taken my own precautions and what I have to do to ensure my
family's safety," he said. "I am a very cautious person in
general due
to my background and training.
"I am comfortable with defending myself or my family if it ever had to
happen."
Burke said it is not uncommon for politicians to have security concerns.
"We do live unfortunately in an age and in a society now where threats
have to be taken pretty seriously," he said.
Since the terrorism attacks in the United States on Sept. 11, 2001,
security in New Brunswick has been
beefed up.
Metal detectors were recently installed in the legislature and all
visitors are screened.
The position of attorney general is often referred to as the
province's "top cop."
Burke said sometimes people do not differentiate between his role as
the manager of the justice system and the individual who actually
prosecutes them.
"With the job sometimes comes threats," he said. "I have had
numerous
threats since Day 1 in office."
Burke said he hopes his First Nations heritage has nothing to do with it.
"I think it is more of an issue where people get fixated on a matter
and they believe you are personally responsible for assigning them
their punishment or their sanction," he said.
Is the threat from someone who was recently incarcerated?
"I probably shouldn't answer that," he replied.
Reporters asked when the threat would be over.
"I don't think a threat ever passes once it has been made," said
Burke. "You have to consider the credibility of the source."
Bruce Fitch, former justice minister in the Conservative government,
said "every now and again there would be e-mails that were not
complimentary."
"I did have a meeting with the RCMP who are in charge of the security
of the MLAs and ministers," said Fitch.
"They look at each and every situation."
Fitch said he never had bodyguards assigned to him although former
premier Bernard Lord and former health minister Elvy Robichaud did
have extra security staff assigned on occasion.
He said if any MLA felt threatened, he or she would discuss it with the RCMP.
http://govinjustice.blogspot.
Wednesday, July 09, 2008
N.B.Whistlebower picked up
Feds institutionalize determined NB whistleblower
DAVID AMOS PICKED UP BY THE R.C.M.P.???
Charles LeBlanc's Other blog
July 8th, 2008
I don't know if this is a joke?
I'm not a David Amos fan but this email was sent to me last week.
I wonder what happen there???
Full Article
-----------------------------
< ...>
Charles, David Amos had been picked up by the RCMP, upon false
accusations, and put into the Chalmers Hospital.
This is a fate that is looming at the horizon for anybody who does not
put up with the corruption in this country and especially in "the
place to be". The dictators are running a tight ship, and they dont
like it, when someone points out to them, that underneath that
picturesque veneer is a big mess hidden.
Yesterday it was me and many others, today it is David, and tomorrow
it can be You, and me again. Lets put petty bickering aside, and speak
out against the real foe. Short before the mighty sowjet empire
crumbled and fell, they used the same tactics, putting opponents into
loonybins, people who did not appreciate their benevolent rulership,
must be something wrong with their head. Think about it.
Werner Bock
506 756 8687
Posted by Dan F at 5:58 AM 1 comments
Posted by Richard A. Harris at 3:40 AM
http://qslspolitics.blogspot.
Monday, July 07, 2008
DAVID AMOS PICKED UP BY THE R.C.M.P.???
http://bp3.blogger.com/_
Originally uploaded by Oldmaison
http://
I don't know if this is a joke?
I'm not a David Amos fan but this email was sent to me last week.
I wonder what happen there???
hello Charles!
Please keep me updated to what is happening inthe pictureprovinces
capital and the forgotten hinterlands.
I like to make more comments, but it is to frustrating for me, a
cyberspace dummy, to see to many labourosly written letters, getting
lost in said realm
Charles, David Amos had been picked up by the RCMP, upon false
accusations, and put into the Chalmers Hospital.
This is a fate that is looming at the horizont for anybody who does
not put up with the corruption in this country and especially in " the
place to be ". The dictators are running a tide ship, and they dont
like it, when someone points out to them, that
underneath that picturesque veneer is a big mess hidden.
Yesterday it was me and many others, today it is David, and tomorrow
it can be You, and me again. Lets put petty bickering aside, and speak
out against the real foe. Short before the mighty sowjet empire
crumbled and fell, they used the same tactics, putting opponents into
loonybins, people who did not appriciate their benevolent rulership,
must be something wrong with their head. Tink about it.
Werner Bock
506 756 8687
posted by Charles LeBlanc @ 3:04:00 PM 13 Comments
13 Comments:
At 5:29 PM, July 07, 2008 , Anonymous said...
I think the Guy is harmless. He May be off on another track somewhat
but have seen worse like the sociopaths that work in Goverment and
Police!
Do You think the Cows could have conspired to do it?
At 5:32 PM, July 07, 2008 , mikel said...
Why not call the number and find out Charles? You may not be a 'fan',
but you two have a lot in common. There was a post at Spinks last
night that could be him, it was posted anonymously, but he's the only
guy who calls people 'boy'.
You are always offering conspiracy stories about people out to get
you, his actually make even more sense as he keeps evidence and talks
about using the court system-even runs for parliament. By that token
he's more 'dangerous' than you, and doesn't have a popular blog to
keep him in the limelight enough to protect him.
Call the Chalmers and ask to speak with him and see what happens...
At 5:57 PM, July 07, 2008 , Charles LeBlanc said...
Let the media use their contact to find out if this is true?
Not this blogger!!!!
I was sent an email and I blogged the issue.
My job is done!!!!
At 9:56 PM, July 07, 2008 , mikel said...
The media is certainly not going to cover it, you are far better known
and like you say, the media wouldn't cover your arrest at all.
Fighting for people's rights is never 'done'. There are some people
who did work for residential tenants acts and about YOUR ban.
Ironically Mr. Amos' last blog was a link to www.charlesin
thehouse.com asking why YOU got all the attention.
I seem to recall lots of blogs with pictures about the clown who was
banned, but maybe past posters are right, and its only people who are
nice to you that get any attention. Let's just hope people don't have
the same attitude if it does happen that YOU get arrested. Whether you
like somebody or not is irrelevant.
I don't know what Mr. Amos' story is and have never been able to
follow it, but we certainly know from Charles' treatment and Bonnie
O'dea's case that just about anything is possible.
At 10:28 PM, July 07, 2008 , Charles LeBlanc said...
Listen Mike!!!
You cannot communicate with David!!!
It's an impossible task!!!!
I email him for an interview and he sent my request to everyone on his list.
What are his issues?
I don't know!!!!
Dan F tried to helped him and he turned against the guy.
Understand? You cannot do a story on a guy if he or she don't answer.
He sent me a picture and I blogged it. He quickly turned against me
for using the picture.
I deleted the blog and pic. Tout fini!!!
Understand Mike?
But you're right on one issue?
The Government could quickly get rid of the guy and nobody will ever know?
Scary eh?
He could end up like an Ashley Smith?
If he gets out? I'm sure we'll hear lots of story and I'm gonna get
blasted for blogging his arrest.
See Mike? You can't win for trying?
Can't blame the media either.
C'est la vie!!!
Stay tuned!!
At 1:07 AM, July 08, 2008 , Anonymous said...
He is a sick man. Hope he's getting some much-needed treatment!
At 6:38 AM, July 08, 2008 , Dan F said...
"Mr. Amos' story is and have never been able to follow it"
David Amos: NB-NWO whistleblower Part 4
"When the Irving idiot Scotty Baby Agnew had the RCMP try to arrest me
and have Google delete my blog about them and the nasty French Bastard
Chucky Leblanc and then had Yahoo kill two of my email accounts, I
laughed at them all and proved to the Irvings' lawyer and the MP Jim
Prentice in a wink of an eye that I was far from done with them."
"Dan F tried to helped him and he turned against the guy."
Deservedly so - too many bloggers shoot their mouth off with nothing
but ignorance or a corrupt agenda behind their words.
The longer the mindless Canadian and American populace let the Stasi
lapdogs of the fiat-debt thieves run rampant over our land, the more
repressive action you'll see against independent media.
At least everybody with a clue knows that Main $tream Media is fully
co-opted, they'd print their newspapers with uranium-laced ink if
their owners gave the command.
At 8:39 AM, July 08, 2008 , mikel said...
Charles, don't mean to be contrary but virtually everything you've
said about him has been said numerous times HERE about YOU. On
numerous issues people have posted saying 'you just can't reason with
the guy'. I don't particularly like being called 'mikey boy' and was
often a target of Mr. Amos' criticism myself.
And like I said, if YOU were arrested there are lots who would say
exactly the same thing as the above-'he needs help, I hope he gets it'
and then move on.
The issue is not the PERSON, in order to raise the ire of lawyers,
police, etc., you HAVE to be a bit of a malcontent. Most of us would
just cry in our coffee and try to move on. The only reason Mr. Amos
(and you I dare say) continue to tilt at windmills is BECAUSE you are
belligerent, somewhat cantankerous SOB's.
I've heard Mr. Amos' called crazy, but then I've also heard YOU called
crazy by a lot more people. We don't know the issue behind this,
perhaps he IS crazy and maybe he was throwing rocks through people's
windows.
You SHOULD blame the media, how many people tell YOU that they don't
blame the media for ignoring all your letters? It's not pleasant is
it? All it takes is a phone call to the DECH or the police station.
Can you honestly say that if you get hauled away you wouldn't want
people to put at least SOME effort into helping you? Will people just
be going over to Spinks blog and saying 'well, he didn't give a rats
ass about David Amos so why should we care about him?' I seem to
recall a lot of effort in talking to Bonnie O'dea-was it just because
she was nice to you and Mr. Amos wasn't? What the hell is the point of
all that buddhist bullshit you keep posting when you don't even seem
to pay attention to it. Sorry guy, don't mean to be belligerent, but
being a blogger sometimes means rising above pettiness. Otherwise, it
makes perfect sense that Irving's press ignores you-after all, you
haven't been very 'nice' to them (and have been even more cantakerous
towards them than Mr. Amos has been to you).
At 9:00 AM, July 08, 2008 , Anonymous said...
Charles can be annoying. Amos is crazy and hopefully he'll get the
help he needs in hospital.
At 11:05 AM, July 08, 2008 , just cruisin' through said...
mikel, why don't YOU actually do something if you're so interested.
Charles at least blogged it. What have YOU done?
At 12:26 PM, July 08, 2008 , Anonymous said...
It is simply NOT TRUE, as Mikel suggests, that a person can be
commited to a mental health facility on the basis of a phone call to
hospital or police. That may have been true in 1950, but not today! If
Mr. Amos has been hospitalized, it's on the basis of reliable
evidence.
btw, I've had dealings with Mr. Amos. He very sincerely believes not
only that all lawyers and all politicians and all cops and all civil
servants are corrupt, but also that there is a massive conspiracy
against him, involving all these people, and the CIA, which he belives
is actively trying to kill him, and the media, and Charles, and many
many many others. I'm just saying...
At 1:53 PM, July 08, 2008 , Charles LeBlanc said...
Mike...Mike...Mike???
Look what Dan F posted?
He blames me for the deleting of his yahoo account.
I wonder why?
I just send his emails to my soam box. < Just like many people do with mine >
If I had a chance to know his concerns?
I would be behind him but I don't!
I did the guy one favor?
I blogged the issue so people would know he's been picked up by the R.C.M.P.!
Will David Amos be grateful for what I did?
Of course not!!!
Anyone who tried to help the guy? He turns against them!!!!
C'est la vie!!!
But lets wait and see what's going to happen?
The number is on the blog Mike. Call the guy who sent me the email.
At 1:59 PM, July 08, 2008 , Charles LeBlanc said...
One more thing Mike?
If I'm ever picked up by the Police and sent to a mental ward?
I assigned three people to watch over my situation very closely.
In this line of business? You got to be prepare.
Especially when you go against the Irvings, the government and the Police!!!!
Everything is prepared!!!!
At 12:30 AM, July 09, 2008 , Anonymous said...
there are people in need of the mental health services and if you
fight against or speak out,you may be given these services against
your will! It is a tool for those in power to use against the poor and
uneducated!
At 5:10 PM, July 09, 2008 , Anonymous said...
Let's see...Mr Amos truly believes politicians, civil servants and
police are corrupt and out to harm or kill him. Hmmmmm...sounds like a
blogger I know. If Amos was really picked up and taken to the psyc
ward you hadbetter watch your back Charlie. You could be next. Be
afraid...be very afraid.
Charles LeBlanc said...
I taught I did ya a favor by letting the people know you were picked up?
Well. I guess not!!!
That's no problem! I can delete the blog like nothing happen.
You're welcome to write your views on what happen but bad language
just won't do it!!!
C'est la vie!!!
July 9, 2008 at 4:06 AM
David Raymond Amos said...
Everybody and his dog knows you ain't no friend of mine Chucky Baby.
You have never done me one favour yet but you have certainly slander
me alot. I see that some of you friends are starting to see the real
you and your bullshit don't fly anymore EH?
Too Bad So Sad. Live by the sword die by the sword as they say. I
warned ya I was a hell of blogger when we first met in 2004 and gave
you a computer Remember Frenchy? I just don't brag about it to the
world tis all.
Tell your bullshitting buddy Mikey Baby Archibald that I never post
Anon comments but there are a couple dudes in cyberspace that pretend
to be me that do. Who knows one of them could be you. Correct?
You do a WCIE posting for from time to time in your name. N'est Pas?
It ain't a big leap from there to pretending to be somebody else.
Correct?
As you love to say LOL and STAY TUNED!!!
Veritas Vincit
David Raymond Amos
July 9, 2008 at 6:09 AM
Charles LeBlanc said...
Do you want me to POOF the blog?
I got no problem with that!
:P
Now, I was the first guy to blog your issue.
It started a good debate. < AS you can tell? >
Now? Listen...You got it? Listen or I meant read!!!
Why don't you go to the blog and explain what happen? < in a nice way! >
But of course this would be too much to ask?
Your friend sent me an email telling me you were arrested by the
Police < or picked up? >
I taught about it and blogged it!!!
That was very nice of me but if you continue to attack me the way you do?
Well, the next time you get picked up?
I won't blogged it and nobody will know?
You should tell your story or maybe we'll see ya in court and let the
Irving's employees tell your story.
It's up to you?
P.S. I don't have to leave annoymous comments because I got enough already!!!
Stay tuned!!!!!
July 9, 2008 at 9:35 PM
David Raymond Amos said...
Need I say BULLSHIT once again Chucky Baby?
Danny Boy and Richy baby have integrity as for you Chucky you and your
Fake Left friends in Fat Fred City don't even know what the word
means.
You are so full yourself Chucky its unbeleivable Thus you must be made
of bullshit N'est Pas?
I quite trying to post comments in your blog months. You know why as
well as I It was the very same day you made your last blog about me go
"Poof" Remember Frenchy?
Veritas Vincit
David Raymond Amos
July 10, 2008 at 3:06 PM
At 11:47 AM, July 13, 2008 , Anonymous said...
"You got to be prepare. Especially when you go against the Irvings,
the government and the Police" Well Charels add a little Latin at the
end of your rants and you start to sound a heck of a lot like Mr Amos.
Dan F said...
Is this what they got you with?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/
< ...>
One of the doctors who came up with the protocol said it's the safest
option out there and that it is used all over the country.
But many people said that the injection was news to them, and a top
medical ethicist said it's a troubling precedent.
The drug is called Midazolam, which is better known as Versed. People
who have had a colonoscopy have probably had a shot of the drug for
the procedure.
"The drug has an amnesia effect, and we use that therapeutically
because one of the nice ways to take care of the discomfort is to make
people forget that they've had it," said biomedical ethics and law
enforcement expert Dr. Steven Miles.
< ...>
"I've talked to my colleagues around the country, and none of the
people from the south to the north to the east to the west have ever
heard about this kind of program, this kind of use where they
basically force an injection upon an individual knowing nothing about
his or her medical condition," said ACLU Director Hedy Weinberg.
July 14, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Charles LeBlanc said...
Just wish to let ya know that someone from the Government of Canada
search your name and ended up in my blog.
I can poof the blog if you want me too?
:P
July 15, 2008 at 6:39 AM
David Raymond Amos said...
BULLSHIT onnce again Frenchy
I repeat what planet are you from Chucky Baby? I gave you evidence of
murder four years ago and gave Richy Baby the same stuff on Canada Day
this year. I told you to give the stuff to Brad Green and you whimped
out and attacked me and now Richy is playing dumb and won't give it to
T.J. burke or his lawyer.
FYI Do what you wish with your god amned blog obviously I already
saved it and posted in Danny boy's domain. You and yopur WCIEs have
blocked me for years as your tagged teamed me with your Fake Left
malice and yet you bastards feel free to allow corrupt cops and
politicians to slander me in your blog as my family suffers through
the trials of Job?
If there is ever a trial in Federal Court in Fat Fred City I will call
you and Richy Baby and your Iron Horse of lawyer to testify about your
maliciopus nonsense as we discuss hard copy of your blogs that I
already saved long ago.
Say Hoka Hey to your little indian "Blogger General" and your buddies
Scotty Baby agnew and his very nasty lawyer wife who is a bigtime
buddy of your old pal Kelly Lamrock. Then them for me that I hope to
to Cya'll in Court or Hell C'est la meme chose N'est Pas Frenchy?
Veritas Vincit
David Rayond Amos
July 19, 2008 at 3:37 PM
Shephard stops short of calling public inquiry in wake of Fredericton teen's death
Shephard says she'll ask child and youth advocate to conduct a review
Health Minister Dorothy Shephard says she will ask for a review of services for mental health crisis care in the province, telling reporters Wednesday she stands behind her pledge to "fix this broken system."
At a news conference, Shephard directly addressed the suicide of Fredericton teen Lexi Daken last week.
Lexi, a Grade 10 student who had previously attempted suicide, was taken to the emergency room at Fredericton's Dr. Everett Chalmers Hospital on Feb. 18, by a school guidance counsellor who was concerned about her mental health.
She waited for eight hours without receiving any mental health intervention.
Lexi took her own life less than a week later, and her parents have spoken publicly about her experience trying to get help.
But it's not clear whether the public will ever know what happened during Lexi's eight-hour wait at the ER, or why she was allowed to leave without having received help.
Although Shephard was asked several times whether she would call a public inquiry into the handling of suicidal youth in provincial emergency rooms, as has been urged by Green Party Leader David Coon and supported by Lexi's father, Chris Daken, she said a review is the preferred route.
Shephard said she has met with New Brunswick's child and youth advocate, Norm Bossé, "to talk about a review of services for mental health crisis care."
"We have the child and youth advocate and he has a legislative mandate to do this," she said.
Bossé's independent review would likely be made public in a report, but would not entail calling witnesses to publicly testify, as an inquiry would.
Details of Horizon's internal review, announced last week by community vice-president Jean Daigle and intended to "determine where improvements could have been made," will also not be made public.
The review will be shared with Lexi's family and with Horizon's board of directors, Shephard said.
Shephard also announced Wednesday that she has asked Horizon Health Network senior officials "to discuss how we can address crisis care in our ERs" and has directed them to report back to her by the end of the month.
She plans to do the same with Vitalité Health Network.
Review 'a first step,' Lexi's father says
In an interview Wednesday afternoon, Lexi's father, Chris Daken, said he thinks a public inquiry is needed but that the review is "a good first step."
Daken said his wife, Shawna Betts, had contacted Bosse's office after Lexi's death to request a review, so he was happy to hear it publicly announced Wednesday.
But he said a public inquiry is still necessary.
"We need answers, and the public needs answers, too," he said. "I think the province needs to see some change and the only way we're going to get it is getting to the bottom of why this happened."
Daken said he will wait to see the results of the review they requested, noting "that will determine our next moves."
"We're not going to change anything overnight, we know that," he said. "So we're happy with that first step. We do not think it's going to be the last step, but it's a good first step."
Inquiry 'not the best approach,' former head of psychiatry says
The former director of psychiatry at the Chalmers hospital said he understands why people might think an inquiry is needed, but it won't yield the answers people are hoping for.
In an interview with Information Morning Fredericton, Dr. David Addleman said Lexi Daken's tragic experience is "a heartbreaking story."
'You wonder what happened, how did it happen? It's terribly upsetting."
However, Addleman said, an internal review would be much more likely to answer those questions.
"I understand that that will not satisfy the public," he said. "Everybody's heartbroken, upset, angry … people want answers and want something done right now. But that's not the atmosphere in which useful determinants of what happened can be arrived at."
The bottom line, he said, is that the most useful information results from reviews that are done internally, "where people feel they can express their thoughts and opinions openly without feeling … blame will be placed on them."
Missed opportunity for 'bolder' action: Austin
In an interview Wednesday, People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin said he was disappointed Shephard had not made a "bolder statement" about helping the province's youth.
"I was hoping the minister would come out and say that no minor seeking help during a mental health crisis will be turned away without getting the professional care they need," Austin said.
Austin noted he has spoken with teachers and guidance counsellors who have told him it's "a roll of the dice" whether students will get the care they need when they are taken to emergency rooms in mental health distress.
"That's just unacceptable," he said.
Austin also said that while he was pleased the child and youth advocate will conduct an independent review of the province's mental health care services, he thinks an inquiry should have been called in the wake of Lexi's death.
"I think Mr. Bossé will do a thorough review and I commend that," he said.
"But I think he would have done that anyway, without being asked by the minister. I think a public inquiry is important here ... this is something that the public as a whole needs to have more details about, to see what the issues are."
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In midst of grief, Lexi Daken's family sees a chance for change
Fredericton teen's suicide put mental health on the front burner. Her family is determined to keep it there
Chris Daken is taken aback by the outpouring of attention, support and condolences his family is receiving in the wake of unspeakable tragedy.
Lexi Daken, daughter to Chris and Shawna Betts, sister to Piper, Brennah, Noah and Quinn, student at Leo Hayes High School, friend, athlete, teenager, took her own life last Wednesday.
She was just 16.
A week earlier, Lexi had been taken to the emergency room at Fredericton's Dr. Everett Chalmers Hospital by a guidance counsellor who was concerned about her mental health.
She waited for eight hours without receiving any mental health intervention.
After she was told by a nurse that calling a psychiatrist would take another two hours, Lexi left the hospital with a referral for followup.
Since her death, Daken said, the family has been bowled over by the offers of support, from here in New Brunswick and right across the country.
"Lexi's story has touched a lot of people in ways we would never have imagined," he said.
'Lexi didn't get the help she went there for'
On Tuesday, one day after Lexi's funeral service, Daken told CBC News his heart is aching but his mission is clear: to shine a spotlight on the broken system that allowed this to happen, and to never let it fade until things change.
"It can't be acceptable that a person could go to the hospital and not get the care they need, that they be made to feel like a burden and pushed away," he said.
"Lexi didn't get the help she went there for, and I really believe the government has to take a good look in the mirror and … at the decisions that were made that day."
That's part of the reason Daken said his family made a conscious choice to speak openly about the tragedy.
"The day after her death, we started getting calls from media," he said. "We sat down as a family to decide whether we should ignore the publicity and deal with Lexi's death in our own way, or speak out about it to everyone."
Ultimately, they decided that "keeping it in the dark" would only perpetuate the stigma around mental health issues.
"This has happened too often," Daken said. "We can't let this go away. We want to keep the momentum going, and hopefully it leads to change."
That can't happen if people aren't talking about it, he said.
"We want kids to know there's help out there. We're hoping to make mental health an easier subject to talk about. … It's no problem for people to talk about having a broken bone, so why can't we talk about having a broken brain?"
Family supports call for a public inquiry
For this reason, the family also supports Green Party Leader David Coon's call for an inquiry into the province's handling of suicidal youths in emergency rooms.
In an interview Tuesday morning, Coon said he plans to push the government to call a public inquiry into Lexi's death, noting "I will be relentless about this."
"Too many teens in crisis have been turned back from emergency rooms without getting help, without getting admitted into a safe place where they won't be able to harm themselves," he said.
"Something has to be done. We can't keep going with this broken system."
Coon said he'd like to see "everyone along the chain" called as witnesses at the inquiry, from the psychiatrist and nurse on duty the day Lexi visited the hospital to the hospital management.
Daken said he spoke with Coon about his plan at Lexi's vigil, and he supports it completely.
"I think it's a good thing," he said. "The public is looking for answers just as we are."
Daken sees a public inquiry as another crucial step on the road to real change.
"What we have seen over and over again in the past, when a teen has taken their own life, there's a big outcry for a week or two, and then after a while it just quietly goes away," he said. "We don't want that to happen this time."
The sheer number of individuals and groups who have contacted Daken and his family to offer help and support gives him hope that this time, it really will be different, he said.
"We've had mental health associations reaching out from across the country, people here in the community organizing fundraisers, we've had [People's Alliance Leader] Kris Austin and the Liberals and Mr. Coon in touch with us," he said. "None of us wants to let this fade away.
"So as tragic as Lexi's death is, we hope some good can come out it."
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Coon calls for public inquiry in wake of Fredericton teen's suicide
Green Party leader says broken system has failed too many teens, plans 'relentless' push for inquiry
Green Party Leader David Coon is calling for a public inquiry into the handling of suicidal youth in provincial emergency rooms after the death of 16-year-old Lexi Daken last week.
In an interview on Information Morning Fredericton on Tuesday, Coon said the first thing he thought when he heard the news of Lexi's suicide was "How can this happen again?"
It's plain the system is broken and it's past time the province stepped in to do something about it, Coon said.
"Too many teens in crisis have been turned back from emergency rooms without getting help, without getting admitted into a safe place where they won't be able to harm themselves," he said.
"The system failed Lexi, and it has failed other teens before her."
Lexi, a Grade 10 student who had previously attempted suicide, was taken to the emergency room at Fredericton's Dr. Everett Chalmers Hospital on Feb. 18, by a school guidance counsellor who was concerned about her mental health.
She waited for eight hours without receiving any mental health intervention and left the hospital with a referral for followup.
Less than a week later, Lexi died by suicide.
Days later, Health Minister Dorothy Shephard conceded the system is "broken," and Horizon Health Network, the authority that operates the Chalmers hospital, said it is reviewing its internal processes "to determine where improvements could have been made."
Coon said the fact that the system isn't working has been established.
What's needed now, he said, is action.
"Something is very broken and we can't wait any longer to fix it. It's going to cost money and we need to spend the money, we need to do it."
Coon said he'll push for an inquiry when the legislature resumes on March 16, noting, "I will be relentless about it."
Liberals call for significant investment in mental health
The Opposition Liberals are also pushing for change at the provincial level in the wake of Lexi Daken's death.
On Tuesday, Liberal Leader Roger Melanson said he would support the call for an inquiry if that's the family's wish, but said immediate change is also needed.
"Public inquiries can be a great tool, but to help prevent similar tragedies in the future, we need action," Melanson said.
"People are struggling right now. There are multiple reports with concrete recommendations that could save lives, we need to start there."
Melanson also called for "significant investments into mental health to be included in the upcoming provincial budget," which will be presented to the legislative assembly on March 16.
He said the provincial government's recently released five-year mental health plan is a start, but it's not enough.
He'd like to see the government implement its plan in three years instead of five, and regional health authorities become more responsive to patients with mental health concerns.
"We would hope to see that these patients are properly and quickly triaged and that they are seen by a mental health professional before they leave the hospital," Melanson said.
Coon has also said he'd like to see money spent on bolstering the recently released five-year mental health plan, including turning the walk-in clinics the province has committed to opening this year into facilities offering emergency 24-hour mental health services.
With files from Information Morning Fredericton
Fredericton teen's death a reckoning for the province, mental health advocate says
Legal experts also weigh in with op-ed blaming governments for years of underfunding
The death of 16-year-old Lexi Daken last week set off a searing wave of grief across the province.
But it has also triggered a reckoning, with mental health experts taking a hard look at a worsening mental health crisis and legal experts saying her death was at least partly brought on by years of government underfunding.
Lexi, a Grade 10 student who had previously attempted suicide, was taken to the emergency room at Fredericton's Dr. Everett Chalmers Hospital on Thursday, Feb. 18, by a school guidance counsellor who was concerned about her mental health.
She waited for eight hours without receiving any mental health intervention. After she was told by a nurse that calling a psychiatrist would take another two hours, Lexi said later, she left the hospital with a referral for followup.
Less than a week later, Lexi died by suicide.
In an interview with Information Morning Fredericton on Monday, the executive director at the Canadian Mental Health Association of New Brunswick was overcome with emotion while discussing Lexi's death.
Christa Baldwin, executive director of the Canadian Mental Health Association of New Brunswick, said Lexi's death was shattering. "I don’t think I’ve ever cried as much as I have in the past week."
'This has to be the piece that moves us forward'
Christa Baldwin noted that last week had started off with the promise of change, with a new mental health action plan, unveiled by Health Minister Dorothy Shephard, "that would allow us to move forward."
"But then later in the week, hearing the news about Lexi — it broke our hearts, to be honest. … I don't think I've ever cried as much as I have in the past week."
But Lexi's death has also been a turning point, Baldwin said.
She noted that Lexi's father, Chris Daken, said in an interview last week that "Lexi's death cannot be in vain."
"This has to be a piece that moves us forward .... we can't have this happening to our youth in our province, we can't have this happening to anyone in our province."
Baldwin said that resonated with her.
"It feels like we have entered a new chapter in this province, building a service that is client-focused, client-centred," she said.
"It has ignited a fire within me and within the CMHA to advocate and use our voice to make change happen. We need something to happen for Lexi's family … and for so many other individuals who have died by suicide in this province."
The new mental health action plan has put some plans and pilot projects in place, Baldwin said.
Those are positive steps, but more needs to be done, she said, noting barriers to service need to be removed and attitudes toward mental health issues need to change.
"I think what bothered me most is after eight hours to ask about whether to call a professional to come in to asses Lexi further — if you went in with a broken leg, you would not be asked if someone should be called in to cast your leg," Baldwin said.
"We need mental health parity. Mental health is a human right equal to physical health."
In an op-ed, lawyer Jody Carr, above, and UNB law professor Kerri Froc say Lexi's death is a violation of her rights under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. (CBC News file photo
A violation of Lexi's charter rights, lawyers say
It's a point some legal experts are also making.
In an op-ed, lawyer Jody Carr and University of New Brunswick law professor Kerri Froc said Lexi's rights under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms were violated.
"Under Section 7 of the charter, 'Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice,'" Carr and Froc wrote in the op-ed.
"Because successive provincial governments have wilfully under-resourced this sector of health care, leading to delays in access to mental health services anchored in the Mental Health Act, violations of New Brunswickers' rights to personal security, and ultimately to life, results.
"While it is true that the direct cause of these deaths and injury is self-harm, the Supreme Court of Canada has said that government is responsible for actions that enhance the risk of these violations."
Carr and Froc argued that "New Brunswick has a duty to ensure that they can talk to a psychiatrist or psychologist at their and their family's time of greatest need."
In an email Monday, Horizon Health Network, the regional authority that operates the Chalmers Hospital, noted that it does provide around-the-clock psychiatric services at its hospitals.
"Horizon provides emergency psychiatric services 24 hours per day, seven days a week at our regional hospitals," Dr. Edouard Hendriks, vice-president of medical, academic and research affairs at Horizon.
"Medical psychiatry staff are available for consultation as required, in collaboration with the on-site care team."
Nevertheless, some questions remain unanswered.
Horizon did not immediately answer questions about whether it is tracking how often an on-call psychiatrist is called to come in to see a patient, or how often they decline or are unable to do so.
It also did not answer questions about why Lexi was told she would face a two-hour wait for a psychiatrist, citing "confidentiality reasons."
Pandemic taking deepening toll on mental health
Meanwhile, the pandemic's toll on the mental health of almost every demographic in the province continues to deepen, Baldwin said.
In the 2019-20 fiscal year, the Canadian Mental Health Association worked with more than 86,000 New Brunswickers, she said.
"In the first three-quarters of this fiscal year, we were already at over 117,000 New Brunswickers. … Organizations are feeling that, hospitals are feeling that, Horizon and Vitalité are feeling that. We need to recognize what's happening here in terms of demand for service."
Carefully developing programs and reaching out to certain demographics to make sure people are not falling through the cracks are more crucial now than ever, she said.
But so is talking "openly" with people when you see they are struggling, even if it feels uncomfortable.
"Asking someone if they're suicidal, having suicidal thoughts ... actually saying those words can help," Baldwin said. "We need to have these conversations, we can't sweep it under the rug. Not talking about mental health openly has done us no favours."
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Kerri Froc
Associate Professor
PhD
Room 204A
Fredericton
Research interests
- women’s constitutional rights
- equality and social and economic rights
- access to justice and the rule of law
- rights of political representation
- theories of constitutional interpretation (including originalism)
- feminist legal theory
Biography
Kerri is an Associate Professor at UNB Law, as well as a Trudeau and Vanier Scholar. She has taught courses at Carleton University, Queen’s University and University of Ottawa on feminist legal theory and various aspects of public law, among others.
Kerri received her PhD from Queen’s University in 2016 and holds a Master of Laws from the University of Ottawa, a Bachelor of Laws from Osgoode Hall Law School, and a Bachelor of Arts from the University of Regina.
Before completing her doctorate, she spent 18 years as a lawyer — as a civil litigator in Regina, a staff lawyer for the Women’s Legal Education and Action Fund (LEAF), and as a staff lawyer in the areas of law reform and equality at the Canadian Bar Association. She is a member of the Saskatchewan and Ontario bars.
Courses taught / current projects
- Constitutional Law
- Advanced Constitutional Law
- Administrative law
- book manuscript tentatively titled “The Gendered Constitution”
- the role of liberalism in Canadian equality law
- contributing to the Women’s Court of Canada project
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Fredericton teen who took her own life remembered at drive-by vigil
'It was overwhelming to see how many lives she touched'
Cars lined a portion of Queen St. in downtown Fredericton on Sunday night for a drive-by vigil to remember 16-year-old Lexi Daken, who died by suicide on Wednesday.
Other people gathered outside the New Brunswick Legislature holding candles, flowers and pictures of the teenager.
Those who knew Daken remember her as witty, smart and athletic.
Nicole Cormier-Fontaine taught Daken in middle school, and said she was a wonderful person who made an impact on everyone she met.
"She was only here for 16 years, but in those 16 years she touched more lives than I could ever imagine," she said.
Lexi Daken took her own life on Wednesday at her home in Maugerville outside Fredericton. (Submitted by Chris Daken)
Because of the pandemic, people were encouraged to drive past to pay their respects. A steady stream of traffic flowed past the government building for an hour.
"It was overwhelming to see how many lives she touched," Cormier-Fontaine said, "I think there were more cars than there were people standing here, I kept seeing them roll by."
The 16-year-old's death has garnered a lot of attention with calls from the family to improve care for people who are suffering from mental health problems.
The teenager died by suicide less than a week after she was sent home from the emergency room at the Dr. Everett Chalmers Hospital in Fredericton.
A school guidance counsellor had taken her to the hospital on Feb. 18 because she was concerned about her mental health.
After waiting more than eight hours, Daken left with a referral and without seeing a mental health professional.
A few months earlier, in November 2020, she attempted suicide and was brought to the same emergency room.
A steady stream of vehicles took part in the vigil by slowly driving past with flashing lights. (Gary Moore/CBC)
While in the early stages of mourning the teenager, Daken's family went public to share Lexi's story to call for change.
Horizon Health Network said it is reviewing its "internal processes to determine where improvements could have been made" in regards to Daken's death.
Jessica Holly with Bridge of Hope organized Sunday's vigil. (Gary Moore/CBC)
Jessica Holly, from the Saint John-based Bridge of Hope group, organized the vigil. She said Daken's death should be the "final wake up call" for the provincial government and health l, authority to take mental health seriously.
"It needs to change right now, and not five years from now," she said, "I think they need to throw out the entire system they have now and start over."
Holly did not know Daken or her family before organizing the vigil but said she hopes it provided some comfort to the community and those who knew Daken.
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Child and youth advocate cautiously optimistic about mental health plan
Plan would see provincial treatment centre for youth open by 2024
CBC News· Posted: Feb 25, 2021 4:37 PM AT
Child and youth advocate Norm Bosse said he was happy to see the plan released, but hopes the treatment centre can open sooner. (Ed Hunter/CBC)
New Brunswick's child and youth advocate says he's cautiously optimistic after the province announced it's five-year plan to tackle mental health and addictions in the province.
Earlier this week, the province announced a provincial treatment centre for youth would be open by 2024.
Such a centre has been a priority for successive governments, both Liberal and Progressive Conservative, and a centre was planned for Campbellton.
Concerns about the location and staffing led the Blaine Higgs government to move the centre to Moncton.
Child and youth advocate Norm Bosse said he was happy to see the plan released but hopes the treatment centre can open sooner.
"The Addiction and Mental Health Action Plan released by Minister Shepherd this week is a welcome sight, that's for sure," said Bosse.
"I know she said 2024, but let's hope that it's built before then."
Going beyond centre of excellence
The new centre in Moncton has been trumpeted as a centre of excellence for youth mental health and addictions services.
But Bosse said treating youth mental health and addiction issues can't stop at the centre of excellence. A network of excellence is needed, he said
This would allow young people to be treated for more moderate issues in their communities, with more serious cases being reserved for the Moncton centre.
He cited Saint John's Access Open Minds as an example and said treating youth in their own communities is key to getting them better, faster.
"Youth can go there, they can talk to a counsellor, if they need assistance, they can certainly get it," said Bosse.
"It's what we call treating the situation at the right place at the right time and not waiting for months and months to get in to see either psychologists or psychiatrists. Those are what make a difference sometimes so that the situations of mental health don't escalate to the point where they need tertiary care"
Bosse said the data is too fresh to draw any permanent conclusions, but anecdotally, he said, youth have had a hard time during the pandemic.
"What we're hearing and receiving from calls for assistance in our office is that children are suffering, there's depression and there's also risk of suicide," said Bosse.
"I've not heard of one case of youth dying by suicide during this pandemic, but the the elements are all there to create those situations."
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Lexi's legacy: Family fights for better mental health access after losing daughter to suicide
Published Thursday, February 25, 2021 6:23PM AST
The parents of New Brunswick teen Lexi Daken say better access to mental health care could have saved their daughter who died by suicide after two unsuccessful visits to a Fredericton hospital.
FREDERICTON -- Lexi Daken loved to ski and play softball, travel and joke around. A 97 per cent wasn't enough, it had to be 100 – and she mused about going into medicine.
But her parents say there was something troubling the 16-year-old.
They noticed their fun-loving daughter wasn't herself last summer, a couple of months after the pandemic began.
"We tried to get, you know, typical teenager, they don't want to talk to their parents right?" her father said. "So, once school started, then she seen the guidance counsellor."
Sitting at their kitchen table on Thursday, her parents Shawna Betts and Chris Daken, and sister Piper, shared that Lexi attempted suicide in November.
They say she was given a diagnosis of borderline personality disorder and depression after a trip to the emergency room at the Dr. Everett Chalmers Hospital in Fredericton.
But, after that, her parents say trying to get any more help through New Brunswick's health system was extremely challenging.
Then, last Thursday, Lexi's guidance counsellor felt she should go back to the ER.
According to text messages sent between Lexi and her father, she got to the hospital around 1 p.m., accompanied by the counsellor.
"I said okay, I'm in Saint John right now, I will head out and I'll be there shortly," Daken said.
But because of COVID-19 protocols, Daken and the school employee weren't allowed to trade places. So, he said the counsellor remained with Lexi and the two waited to see a psychiatrist.
'She never got to see the psychiatrist'
"Our intentions were, once she seen the psychiatrist at the time to get her admitted to the hospital and really get her the help she needed," he said. "But she never got to see the psychiatrist."
According to text messages and a phone call, Lexi was told at about 8:30 pm that a psychiatrist was no longer available and that staff would have to contact the psychiatrist on-call.
Her family says, she didn't want to be a burden.
"What they told us at the time is that we'll send off a referral to mental health and you should hear from them in two weeks. And I have yet to hear from them, even from back in November."
"Even with the second trip to the ER we still haven't received any contact from mental health," Betts said.
Lexi died by suicide on Wednesday morning.
Her family says had she gotten the help she needed last Thursday, she would still be alive.
'We should all be angry as hell about that'
"My 16-year-old little girl who just got her beginner's and celebrated her sweet 16 last month," Betts said. "But this is happening to families every day in New Brunswick and we should all be angry as hell about that."
Piper says Lexi was her best friend and felt she had to speak out about her death, because she wants to make sure other families don't suffer the same loss.
"The night before … we were having a conversation, we were planning a grad trip together to Kenya because she was supposed to go this summer and she never got to go because of COVID," she said. "I know she loved me and I know that she knows that I loved her, but I just wish that I could tell her one more time."
CTV Atlantic contacted the Horizon Health Network, and Margaret Melanson, the network's vice-president of quality and patient-centred care, said patient representatives are always available to discuss any concerns patients may have in order to offer support and guidance, but that she can't comment further due to confidentiality reasons.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/3-new-watchdogs-appointed-1.1372919
3 new watchdogs appointed
Premier names child and youth advocate, official languages commissioner and ombudsman
The Alward government has announced the appointment of three new people to watchdog positions in the province, based on a new selection process.
The new child and youth advocate is Saint John lawyer Norm Bossé, who represented victims in the Kingsclear reformatory sex abuse case.
Katherine d'Entremont, a career civil servant, will be the new commissioner of official languages.
And the new ombudsman is Charles Murray, a civil servant and former political assistant to one-time Tory MP Elsie Wayne and to former PC cabinet minister Brad Green.
"I am confident that their experience and education will help them to carry out their respective duties effectively," said Premier David Alward.
He said Murray's appointment is not political.
"The individuals went through a very significant assessment and interviewing process."
Selection process overhauled
In March, the government overhauled the selection process for the arm's-length watchdog positions that offer a six-figure, deputy minister-level salary, for a seven-year term.
Previously, the government picked people for the positions that report to the legislative assembly, in consultation with the opposition. The legislature would then approve the choice.
But now, a committee of bureaucrats, lawyers and academics review applications from people who are interested in the positions and presents qualified individuals to the premier.
He then consults with the leader of the opposition and recommendations are made through the legislative assembly.
The committee in this case included a provincial court judge, a member of the university community, the clerk of the legislature and the clerk of the executive council.
"We are pleased as a government that we created a new process to be more fair and transparent," said Alward.
Liberal Opposition Leader Brian Gallant was consulted on the three choices and signed off on all of them, including Murray.
"Charles Murray has a very impressive resume," said Gallant. "There was a good group of people that looked through a lot of the candidacies and he came through as the consensus choice."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/teen-leaves-hospital-and-takes-her-life-1.5928484
Parents of teen who took her own life say Fredericton ER failed her just days earlier
Lexi Daken was a Grade 10 student at Leo Hayes High School
· CBC News· Posted: Feb 26, 2021 6:00 AM AT
Lexi Daken was a Grade 10 student at Leo Hayes High School in Fredericton. (Submitted by Chris Daken)
Chris Daken said anyone who knew his 16-year-old daughter would say she was the last person they'd expect to take her own life.
Her outgoing nature and her constant smile masked the pain she was experiencing inside.
"Every picture has a smile on her face, yet the kid was suffering so badly, and she just hid that with a smile," said her mother, Shawna Betts.
On Wednesday, the Grade 10 student at Leo Hayes High School in Fredericton died by suicide at her home in Maugerville, outside the city.
Her parents are heartbroken, but they're speaking publicly in the hopes of changing a health-care system they say failed their daughter when she needed help.
On Feb. 18, Lexi met with a guidance counsellor at school who recognized that she was having mental health issues, said Daken.
Lexi Daken, shown here in her player card from last season, loved softball. (Submitted by Chris Daken)
The counsellor immediately took Lexi to the Dr. Everett Chalmers Hospital in Fredericton, where she waited for eight hours to see a mental health professional.
Lexi told her father that the nurse at the hospital said calling a psychiatrist would take another two hours.
Betts said the whole interaction made Lexi feel like a "burden." She said Lexi was asked, "Are you really going to make us call them?"
Instead, Lexi left the hospital with a referral.
But no call came before she took her own life on Wednesday morning.
Betts wants to see changes in the way mental health patients are treated in emergency room. Patients shouldn't be turned away just because their injuries aren't visible, she said.
Daken hopes Lexi's story will help parents recognize the signs of children who are struggling with mental health issues.
Sometimes they're not easy to see — especially in a person who seems so happy on the outside and has so much going for them, he said.
Daken described his daughter as "a firecracker." She was social, personable, athletic and smart. She was also a hard worker and a perfectionist.
If she had a test, she'd want to get 100 per cent, he said. And if there was a bonus question, she'd want to get more than 100.
Daken said he started to see subtle signs of depression in Lexi last summer — she was sleeping in, spending more time in her room, showing less enthusiasm for activities, even her beloved softball.
But a lot of parents see the same things in their teenagers, so, not surprisingly, Daken chalked it up to regular teenager stuff.
The wake-up call didn't come until this past November, when Lexi took some pills.
She became frightened, had second thoughts and called 911.
"That was really the first shocking revelation that she had more serious issues than just depression," said Daken.
She saw a psychiatrist that night and got a referral for a mental health followup.
Lexi, right, with her sisters, Brennah, left, and Piper. (Submitted by Chris Daken)
Daken said no one ever followed up with them. Instead, they used private counselling paid for by Daken's employee benefits.
"I don't think those were at the level that she obviously needed," he said of the sessions she went to.
Daken suspects Lexi had probably suffered in silence for years but put on a brave face for everyone around her.
When she was in Grade 6 or 7, she did a project on depression.
"I don't know if she considered herself to be depressed then, but I think she was aware of the situation, and doing the project would help her cope with the issues or give her a better understanding of what she may be thinking and feeling," he said.
Her mom believes the pandemic likely exacerbated the problem.
Betts said Lexi would spend hours video-chatting with friends, but not being able to get together with them "made her feel more isolated than before."
Her dad said she seemed fine while she was with people, but in her room at night things got bad.
Since her suicide attempt in November, he said, family members would reach out to her at those times to see if she was OK.
Her oldest sibling, 19-year-old Piper, would often text Lexi or Facetime her in the wee hours of the morning, and occasionally pick her up for a late night McDonald's run.
The family stepped up the vigilance in the last week of Lexi's life, said Daken. Invitations were extended, plans were made, including to go fishing.
In fact, on Tuesday night, Daken took her to Saint John to visit relatives. He said they had a great time, chatting on the way there and back.
He said goodnight to Lexi at about 11 p.m., and she continued to communicate with her friends via cellphone — the last message was sent at about 3 a.m.
At 3:30 a.m., Daken found Lexi unconscious in her bedroom. He rushed her to the hospital, but her condition continued to worsen throughout the morning. She died at 11 a.m.
The family is waiting to learn what the toxicology report reveals.
Fighting for change
Daken and Betts have contacted the patient advocate at the hospital and the province's ombud to try to change the way mental health cases are dealt with at hospitals.
"If the person has actually got up and gone to a hospital during the … pandemic, they obviously think that they need help now," said Betts.
"And so to then just basically let them sit there for eight hours, and then make them feel like a burden, that isn't what we pay our tax dollars for. That is shit service. And that needs to be fixed."
A spokesperson for Horizon Health Network declined to say whether officials are investigating the incident.
"We take any concerns expressed in relation to patient care extremely seriously. Horizon's patient representatives are always available to discuss any concerns patients may have in order to offer support and guidance," Margaret Melanson, vice-president, quality and patient-centred care, wrote in an email statement.
Leo Hayes principal Jeff Holder said, "our school experienced a loss that has affected us deeply."
"We are doing everything we can to be responsive to the needs of our students and their families."
Holder said officials from the school and the district will provide counselling and support to students and teachers.
"Parents have received information from the school on how to work through loss with their children. We know that times like this can be stressful, and in the days ahead we will continue to be available to those who need support."
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Horizon examines how suicidal teen was able to leave Fredericton hospital without help
Politicians, including cabinet minister, say New Brunswick mental health system is 'broken'
Lexi Daken was a student at Leo Hayes High School in Fredericton. (Submitted by Chris Daken)
Horizon Health Network says it is reviewing the care a 16-year-old received at the Dr. Everett Chalmers Hospital in Fredericton last week before she took her own life.
"As with other matters of this nature, Horizon will be reviewing our internal processes to determine where improvements could have been made," Jean Daigle, vice-president community, said in an email sent on Friday.
Shawna Betts said her 16-year-old daughter, who had previously attempted suicide, was taken to the emergency room on Feb. 18 by a school guidance counsellor who was concerned about her mental health.
Lexi Daken, a Grade 10 student at Leo Hayes High School in Fredericton, waited for eight hours without receiving any mental health intervention. She left the hospital with a referral for followup.
Betts said no one ever contacted the family.
On Wednesday morning, Lexi died by suicide.
Shawna Betts with her daughter, Lexi. (Shawna Betts/Facebook)
"Horizon wishes to acknowledge that this situation is nothing short of a tragedy," said Daigle.
"No family should ever have to endure the loss of a child. On behalf of everyone at Horizon, I'd like to offer our deepest condolences to the family as they cope with this unfathomable loss."
He said Horizon provides on-call, emergency psychiatric services 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
So far, no one has commented on the specifics of why Lexi didn't receive any mental health counselling, or why no one followed up with her, but politicians expressed sympathy for the family and impatience with the system.
"It is time to fix this broken system and truly address the needs of all New Brunswickers," Health Minister Dorothy Shephard said Friday.
She said, "those who have experienced a similar tragedy in their lives are retraumatized by these events. Those who have had near-misses are retraumatized as well. Anyone who has taken a loved one to the hospital for help and left feeling hopeless can commiserate with the pain this family is experiencing."
Lexi Daken, shown here in her player card from last season, loved softball. (Submitted by Chris Daken)
The day before Lexi died, Shephard released details of a five-year plan for increasing access to mental health services. But her department did not respond to questions on Friday about whether anything in her plan would prevent what happened to Lexi.
On Friday morning, all four political party leaders responded to the story on CBC radio.
"As a parent, it's hard to fathom," said Premier Blaine Higgs. "Waiting eight hours is unacceptable. It's heart-wrenching."
Higgs said the problem lies with the system, and not the individuals who work in it.
"We have to fix this," he said. "And it's about priorities. We can't do everything, but let's do what we must."
Liberal Leader Roger Melanson said hospitals are not the right setting to help those in crisis.
He said the province needs another setting for those experiencing mental health issues, "where that's the focus — and that's the only focus."
Lexi, right, with her sisters, Brennah, left, and Piper. (Submitted by Chris Daken)
Green Party Leader David Coon agreed.
He said traditional ERs weren't designed for mental health emergencies.
"Mental health has been treated by government after government after government as the poor cousin in the health-care system," said Coon.
"It's been neglected."
He said the five-year plan unveiled this week contains "some improvements," but those need to be "implemented and fully resourced, fully funded."
People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin said Lexi's death has shaken his community and the province.
"The whole thing is an absolute disaster," said Austin.
"And if this doesn't shine light on the seriousness of this issue and getting our heads around mental health in this province and allowing for some specialties … because this is heart-wrenching and this can't happen again."
Lexi's story
Lexi's parents decided to talk publicly about their daughter's story in hopes of changing the system.
Her father, Chris Daken, said he first noticed changes in Lexi last summer — she was sleeping in, spending more time in her room, showing less enthusiasm for activities, even for her beloved softball.
Daken chalked it up to regular teenager stuff — until she attempted suicide in November.
She ended up at the hospital and was able to see a psychiatrist at that time. She was sent home with a referral for followup by mental health professionals.
Daken said no one ever contacted the family, so they arranged for some counselling through his employee-benefits program.
While Lexi always seemed happy when she was around people, her darkest moments came late at night when she was alone.
Family members tried to keep her busy and reached out to her often.
Her 19-year-old sister, Piper, said she would often send her messages in the middle of the night and would occasionally pick her up for a late-night McDonald's run.
When Lexi left the Chalmers hospital without any help on Feb. 18, family members stepped up their efforts trying to keep her busy.
The night before she died, Daken even took Lexi to Saint John to visit relatives.
Daken and Betts want to see changes in the way mental health patients are treated in emergency rooms. And Daken hopes Lexi's story will help parents recognize the signs of children who are struggling with mental health issues.
Recognizing depression
Sometimes, said Daken, it's not easy to spot — especially in a person who seems so happy on the outside and has so much going for them, like Lexi did.
Muriel Doucet, a Moncton-based suicide prevention co-ordinator for Horizon Health, said depression isn't always easy to recognize.
"It would present very differently, depending on the person."
She said parents should look for changes in a child's behaviour — anything that deviates from the norm.
"So if they have a tendency to pull away more than usual, maybe something is going on. Or it could be also the person that has a lot of outbursts," she said.
"It's anything beyond the baseline of how the person normally would act."
Doucet said teenagers sometimes don't understand that things will eventually get better.
"So whatever we can do to help the person not feel so isolated and alone with their pain."
Sometimes it's as simple as distraction, said Doucet.
"As soon as we start moving around from being in a zone of not feeling great, it can change the patterns in our brains," she said.
And it's OK if parents don't have all the answers.
"Just being there, listening, allowing them the space to share, to cry if they have to, to yell and scream if they have to. Whatever it is that will help reduce some of the negative types of feelings that they're experiencing is a help to anyone who's kind of struggling."
Doucet said it's important to have conversations about suicide.
"Best practice tells us, and the experts tell us, that the more we talk about it, the more we help people know where to reach out and how to reach out."
Vigil planned
Jessica Holly, from the Saint John-based Bridge of Hope group, has organized a candlelight vigil for Lexi on Sunday at 6 p.m. in front of the New Brunswick Legislature in Fredericton.
Holly said she was "heartbroken but not shocked" after hearing Lexi's story.
She explained that Sunday's event will be a drive-by vigil. Those taking part are asked to use their four-way flashers as they drive by.
Holly and others will be standing in front of the legislature to take any flowers, letters, teddy bears, or other items that people want to leave for Lexi.
She said it will be a silent vigil, not a protest.
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From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 22:42:55 -0400
Subject: Dr Eilesh Cleary and her evil blogger buddy Chucky Leblanc
should recall these emails EH?
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legions
There, its done.
The people of this province are left no explantation of anything. We
are not permitted to know why she was fired, we are not permitted to
know what the settlement was and we are not permitted to know the
costs all this has had on our pocket books.
New Brunswick is a place of misinformation, poor information or no
information....I guess that is how a democracy as sick as ours works.
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@legions Hmmm the last comment of mine went "Poof" In record time and
all I said was MOOOO I had yet to mention fracking EH?
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David Amos
@legions If you want to see my emails to the lawyer Basque and his
buddy Tom Maston all you got to do is ask the CBC or Chiucky Leblanc
to forward them to you if you don't trust an email from Mean Old Me.
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From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 22:22:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Attn Dr Eilesh Cleary I called you weeks ago and you have
not responded yet. Howcome?
To: "Cleary, Dr. Eilish (DH/MS)"<Dr.Eilish.Cleary@gnb.ca>
Did you get my phone messages?
On 5/11/13, Cleary, Dr. Eilish (DH/MS) <Dr.Eilish.Cleary@gnb.ca> wrote:
> Apologies for not responding to your earlier email. I did receive it thank
> you. I struggle sometimes to keep up with the volume of emails I get so I
> don't get to respond to each and every one, although I certainly appreciate
> when people take the time to write
> Eilish Cleary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Amos [mailto:motomaniac333@gmail.
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 09:57 PM Atlantic Standard Time
> To: Cleary, Dr. Eilish (DH/MS)
> Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> Subject: Attn Dr Eilesh Cleary I called you weeks ago and you have not
> responded yet. Howcome?
>
> I am not surprised but rather disappointed anyway. I thought that
> maybe just maybe you were ethical and gave you the benefit of my
> doubts
>
> However when I read the news today I just shook my head and was mad at
> myself because I know better than to trust a a high paid bureaucrat
> such as your evil former underling Van Buynder or even my friend Ken
> Ross.
>
> Its kinda obvious that you governement are just playing words games
> and that the greasy gasy oily guys will get what they want for nothing
> just like they always do.
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/
>
> Be they Doctoer or lawyer or Indian Chief the personal wealth of a
> bureaucrat is far more important to them than the health or wealth of
> the people they purportedly serve.
>
> If you wish to dispute me have the sand to call me back or respond to
> a simple email
>
> Forget trying to lock me up in your looney bin aggain. That nonsens
> did not work out to well for ya the last time Van Buynder and the
> corrupt RCMP tried that trick on me in 2010 and it appears that you
> were his boss the whole time Correct?
>
> Veritas Vincit
> David Raymond Amos
> 902 800 0369
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Van Buynder, Dr. Paul (DH/MS)"<Paul.VanBuynder@gnb.ca>
> To: "David Amos"<david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 11:14 PM
> Subject: Out of Office: Re The Canadian Blood Services
>
> I am out of the office on leave until July 5th 2010. For urgent
> matters please contact Dr Eilish Cleary, Chief Medical Officer of
> Health. She can be reached at 444 2112 during regular hours. For
> urgent matters out of hours please call pagers 506 460 6843 or 506 557
> 0441. I will be monitoring emails regularly.
>
> Je serai absente du bureau jusq'ua Juillet 5th 2010. Si votre message
> requeirt une attention immediate, priere de le faire suivre a Dr
> Eilish Cleary. Vous pouvez le rejoindre au 444 2112. Si le bureau est
> ferme priere de la faire suivre a numero (506) 460 6843 ou (506) 557
> 0441
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Amos <myson333@yahoo.com>
> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:51:21 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Dr Eilesh Cleary I am very impressed with your Integrity and
> gumption
> To: Eilish.Cleary@gnb.ca
> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, motomaniac333@gmail.com
>
> Dr Elish Cleary
> Chief Medical Officer
> HSBC Place
> Floor: 5
> P. O. Box 5100
> Fredericton, NB E3B 5G8
> Phone : (506) 444-2112
> Eilish.Cleary@gnb.ca
>
> If you ever need help dealing with the :Powers that Be in this Place
> trust that is lots I can do but for now less is more Please use our
> resources to print this pdf file an stow it away for a rainy day.
>
> http://www.checktheevidence.
>
>
> Then if push comes to shove someday merely mention my name and watch
> their eyes. The email below and the link to a Youtube should prove you
> I can put the Heath Minister over a barrel in a New York minute (Its
> always about the money) .
>
> If the smiling bastards still won't change their tune with you even
> after you show them the letters within the pdf file above, email me or
> give me a call and leave a message if I don't pick up. I will do my
> best to assist you ASAP.
>
> Best Regards and Veritas Vincit
> David Raymond Amos
> 902 800 0369
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Amos"<motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> To: <jimparrottmla@bellaliant.com>
> "jeff.mockler"<jeff.mockler@gnb.ca>; <pascal.hache@gnb.ca>;
> < victor.boudreau@gnb.ca>; <janet.mcneil@gnb.ca>;
> < Rick.Howe@rci.rogers.com>; <brian.t.macdonald@gnb.ca>;
> "Jacques.Poitras"<Jacques.Poitras@cbc.ca>; <mmallory@nbms.nb.ca>;
> < aknight@nbms.nb.ca>; "execdirgen"<execdirgen@nbliberal.ca>;
> "Davidc.Coon"<Davidc.Coon@gmail.com>; "Wayne.Lang"
> < Wayne.Lang@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>; "brent.blackmore"
> < brent.blackmore@fredericton.
> Cc: "oldmaison"<oldmaison@yahoo.com>; "Margot"<Margot@nbu.ca>;
> "kennedyc"<kennedyc@nbnet.nb.ca>; <news919@rogers.com>;
> "briangallant10"<briangallant10@gmail.com>; <sandenn87@me.com>;
> < dale.graham@gnb.ca>; <denis.caissie@gnb.ca>; <shawn.graham2@gnb.ca>;
> < pcmemb@gnb.ca>; "David Amos"<david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> < claude.landry@gnb.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 2:28 AM
> Subject: Who should I sue the "Independent" Dr Jim Parrot and his
> greedy doctor pals or the evil lawyers Anytime Flemming, Mr
> "Unethical" EX Minister of Health Mikey Murphy???
>
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/
>
> Anthony Knight
> Chief Executive Officer
> (506) 458-8860 ext. 670
> aknight@nbms.nb.ca
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>
> http://qslspolitics.blogspot.
>
> When I look on the web and see that Chucky Baby and the new MLA the ex
> cop from Fat Fred City Carl Urquart crossed paths in Harvey and are
> now great pals, I see Red and wanna call Wally Stiles again.
>
> For the record it was Carl Urquart and his buddy Greggy Baby Thompson
> the MP and Minister (they share and office a couple hundred yards from
> where I was staying for the past year just outside of Fat fred City)
> that made the false allegatiions that allowed the RCMP to get me
> locked up in the looney bin for a bit. The doctors who got sucked in
> by the RCMP bullshit about me were.
>
> Manoj Bhargava
> Community Mental Health
> 65 Brunswick Street
> Fredericton NB E3B 5G6
> Psy 04-02883
> Guadalajara 1987
> (506)-453-2132
>
> Zlatko Banic
> 69 Bliss Carman Drive Fredericton NB E3B 9P2
> Psy 03-02785
> Novi Sad 1981
> (506)-460-1905
>
> Dr.Jane V. Findlater
> Everett Chalmers Hospital
> PO Box 9000 Fredericton
> NB E3B 5N5 EmM 75-01333
> Dal 1974 (
> 506)-452-5058
> (506)-452-5645
>
>
>
> The New Brunswick Medical Society will launch a legal challenge
> against the Alward government’s decision to cut the amount doctors can
> bill medicare for services.
>
> The medical society announced its decision to fight the budgetary
> decision in court during a news conference in Fredericton on
> Wednesday.
>
> The organization, which represents the province’s doctors, said it
> believes the provincial government’s decision to cut medicare billing
> funds goes against a signed agreement it has with the government.
>
> Officials say they will file their challenge "imminently.”
>
> Dr. Robert Desjardins, the president of the New Brunswick Medical
> Society, said the board’s decision was unanimous.
>
> “The decision that we have unfortunately taken to go to court to have
> our agreement respected is unanimous among the representatives on our
> board, which again represents everyone in the province, and without
> any dissension,” he said.
>
>
> On 9/22/12, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/
>
> http://www.news919.com/news/
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Amos"<david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> To: "Van Buynder, Dr. Paul (DH/MS)"<Paul.VanBuynder@gnb.ca>;
> < ken.ross@gnb.ca>; "Penny Bright"<waterpressure@gmail.com>
> Cc: "drcarley"<drcarley@drcarley.com>; "jane burgermeister"
> < janeburgermeister@gmx.at>; "Alexander S Jones"
> < jones.alexander39@gmail.com>; "hazelbitsnaturals"
> < hazelbitsnaturals@hotmail.com
> "jacques_poitras"<jacques_poitras@cbc.ca>; <chiefape@gmail.com>;
> "danddbroadcasting"<danddbroadcasting@gmail.com>; "Murphy, Michael B.
> (Hon.) (JUS)"<MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca>; "Schryer, Hon. Mary (DH/MS)"
> < Mary.Schryer@gnb.ca>; "Graham, Shawn"<Shawn.Graham@gnb.ca>; "Dan
> Fitzgerald"<danf@danf.net>; <oldmaison@yahoo.com>; "Richard Harris"
> < injusticecoalition@hotmail.
> < ken.foster@gnb.ca>; "DH-MS (DH/MS)"<DhMs@gnb.ca>; "Richard, Jerry
> (DH/MS)"<jerry.richard@gnb.ca>; "Van Buynder, Jan (DH/MS)"
> < Jan.VanBuynder@gnb.ca>; "(DH/MS)OCMOH - Office of the Chief Medical
> Officer of Health"<PHCentralOfficeStaff@gnb.ca>; "Barry Winters"
> < sunrayzulu@shaw.ca>; <rebeccaphb@yahoo.com>; "hubert"
> < hubert@uinr.ca>; "splitting_the_sky"<splitting_the_sky@yahoo.com>;
> "Mohawk Nation News"<kahentinetha2@yahoo.com>; "Ignatieff. M"
> < Ignatieff.M@parl.gc.ca>; "Jack - M.P. Layton"<Layton.J@parl.gc.ca>;
> "Duceppe. G"<Duceppe.G@parl.gc.ca>;
> < catharine.johannson@
> < michael.bernard@greenparty.ca
> < andrew@andrewhouse.ca>; "Byron Prior"<alltrue@nl.rogers.com>;
> "DannyWilliams"<DannyWilliams@gov.nl.ca>; "William J. Wagener"
> < producer@onsecondthought.tv>
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 10:40 PM
> Subject: So Dr Van Buynder are you and the politicians still
> attempting to call me crazy today? Also do you have apersonal lawyer?
>
>
> I must ask Minister Mike Murphy how many Death Threats should I
> recieve and and how many times should my children be sexually
> harrassed before it is proper from me to sue the Crown and you as
> well? Call me crazy but I take such things kinda personal.
>
> You and T.J. Burke got your knickers in quite a knot years ago over a
> mere weathergirl statement correct? What would you do Mikey if you got
> locked up in a hospital that you were master of disater of and
> assaulted and injected with drugs based on false allegations while
> bloggers where having a hay day violating your privacy. Then wait for
> over a year for an old friend to have it investigated. When i make
> inquiries as to the the results of an investigation everybody plays
> dumb orI am told by such people as Megan Cumby not to call back or I
> will be arrested AGAIN?? When I finally get talk to Doctor Banic he
> PRETENDS that he does not even remember meeting meinside the hospital
> that you oversaw as Minister. One thing I do know about myself is that
> I am very hard to forget once you have met even briefly. I am certain
> that the infamous blogger Chucky Leblanc and his old buddies the
> politcal lawyers Bernie Lord and Bruce Noble would have to agree with
> that simple statement.
>
> On the topic of what I call the WHO FLU whats gonna happen if a lot of
> folks you serve and protect get sick and jam up the hospital just
> because they took Van Buynder's advice and people become aware of this
> email before the news broke about the flu shot today EH? Well Mikey
> Baby now that you are the Attorney General do ya wanna settle on
> behalf of the CROWN or wait until I sue ya personally too?
>
> Scroll down you can never deny that you didn't ask the RCMP to
> investigate my concerns long before the stock market took a dive. Now
> that all the taxpayers have top up your pension plan losses to the
> tune of what was 300 million a year, I must ask the obvious question.
> Do you think that you and all the overpaid bureaucrat have even earned
> your wages let alone deserve a pension when legions of taxpayers are
> losing their jobs and their life savings as well because people such
> as yourself refused to act within the scope of your employments since
> I first began making the CROWN aware of my concerns in early 2002???
>
> In closing in must say the Dr may wish to call me crazy again because
> I don't show resopect to power or position. In my book respect is
> earned not demanded and I feel compeeld to remind him of an Oath TO DO
> NO HARM if he has no conscience at all. I am not crazy because I
> disagree with his decions and offer evidence to support that thinkinf.
> It is still supposed to be a democracy CORRECT? As far as that
> outspoken French dude on welfare Chucky Leblanc methinks he bites the
> hand that feeds way too much to suit mean old me. His constant
> bitching in his blog about shady six million daollar deal during the
> flood is chump change. If you wish to make abig splash locally look to
> the budgets then apply the same problem globally.
>
> This email is about the heath of all people and the world economy. Get
> it stupid?
>
> I guess i should forward this email to New Zealand because I thinking
> about moving there. I hear they like bike mechanics down there and i
> can't get a job to keep me out of the cold up here. It appears nobody
> wants me around because the politicans and the cops have put the word
> out. Thus before I go I really should keep my word file some some
> rather imporatant in Federal Court N'esy pas? Methinks for the benfit
> of my conscience and the well being of others I should file something
> about the FLU first. However I really think I should file about my
> rights under Section 2 of the Charter. everybody and hiis dog knows I
> was very illegally banished fot the Legislative properties in 2004
> while I was running in the election of the 38th Parliament of Canada
> and are to chicken to talk about it because my lawsuit would be a slam
> dunk then CORRECT?
>
> Veritas Vincit
> David Raymond Amos
> .
>
> http://www.theglobeandmail.
>
> Study prompts provinces to rethink flu plan
>
> •Working to keep the flu out of the pews
> •Ontario delays fall flu shots over H1N1 threat
> •Kids will require two H1N1 shots
> . Article Comments (63) Patrick White
>
> Winnipeg — From Monday's Globe and Mail
> Last updated on Monday, Sep. 28, 2009 08:27AM EDT
>
> .A “perplexing” Canadian study linking H1N1 to seasonal flu shots is
> throwing national influenza plans into disarray and testing public
> faith in the government agencies responsible for protecting the
> nation's health.
>
> Distributed for peer review last week, the study confounded
> infectious-disease experts in suggesting that people vaccinated
> against seasonal flu are twice as likely to catch swine flu.
>
> The paper is under peer review, and lead researchers Danuta Skowronski
> of the British Columbia Centre for Disease Control and Gaston De
> Serres of Laval University must stay mum until it's published.
>
> Met with intense early skepticism both in Canada and abroad, the paper
> has since convinced several provincial health agencies to announce
> hasty suspensions of seasonal flu vaccinations, long-held fixtures of
> public-health planning.
>
> “It has confused things very badly,” said Dr. Ethan Rubinstein, head
> of adult infectious diseases at the University of Manitoba. “And it
> has certainly cost us credibility from the public because of
> conflicting recommendations. Until last week, there had always been
> much encouragement to get the seasonal flu vaccine.”
>
> On Sunday Quebec joined Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario and Nova Scotia
> in suspending seasonal flu shots for anyone under 65 years of age.
> Quebec's Health Ministry announced it would postpone vaccinations
> until January, clearing the autumn months for health professionals to
> focus on vaccinating against H1N1, which is expected to the more
> severe influenza strain this season.
>
> “By the time the H1N1 wave is over, there will be ample time to
> vaccinate for seasonal flu,” Dr. Rubinstein said.
>
> B.C. is expected to announce a similar suspension during a press
> conference Monday morning.
>
> Other provinces, including Manitoba, are still pondering a response to
> the research.
>
> New Brunswick is a lone hold-out, announcing last week it would forge
> ahead with seasonal flu shots for all residents in October, as
> originally planned.
>
> So far, the study's impact is confined to Canada. Researchers in the
> U.S., Britain and Australia have not reported the same phenomenon.
> Marie-Paule Kieny, the World Health Organization's director of vaccine
> research, said last week the Canadian findings were an international
> anomaly and could constitute a “study bias.”
>
> An international panel is currently scrutinizing the research data.
> “The review process has been expedited, so we're hoping for a response
> within days,” said Roy Wadia, spokesman for the B.C. Centre for
> Disease Control.
>
> Dr. Rubinstein, who has read the study, said it appears sound.
>
> “There are a large number of authors, all of them excellent and
> credible researchers,” he said. “And the sample size is very large –
> 12 or 13 million people taken from the central reporting systems in
> three provinces. The research is solid.”
>
> The vaccine suspensions do not apply for people over 65. Seniors are
> considered more susceptible to severe seasonal flu symptoms. At the
> same time, they carry antibodies from a 1957 pandemic that seem to
> neutralize the current version of H1N1.
>
> Even if the statistical link is proven, the medical link between
> seasonal flu shots and H1N1 remains mysterious. One hypothesis
> suggests seasonal flu vaccine preoccupies the cells that would
> otherwise produce antibodies against H1N1.
>
> But, according to Dr. Rubinstein, the research shows that people who
> received the seasonal shot during the 2007-08 flu season remained
> vulnerable to swine flu well into 2009 – an interval that should
> provide most immune systems ample restoration time.
>
> “We don't understand the mechanism,” Dr. Rubinstein said. “At the
> present time it is quite perplexing.”
>
> From: "Van Buynder, Dr. Paul (DH/MS)"<Paul.VanBuynder@gnb.ca>
> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:02:56 -0300
> Subject: RE: RE the WHO FLU and another instance in which an evil
> Zionist's wish is my command?
> To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> < drcarley@drcarley.com>, jane burgermeister
> < janeburgermeister@gmx.at>, Alexander S Jones
> < jones.alexander39@gmail.com>, hazelbitsnaturals
> < hazelbitsnaturals@hotmail.com
> Penny Bright <waterpressure@gmail.com>, jacques_poitras
> < jacques_poitras@cbc.ca>, chiefape@gmail.com, danddbroadcasting
> < danddbroadcasting@gmail.com>, "Murphy, Michael B. (Hon.) (JUS)"
> < MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca>, "Schryer, Hon. Mary (DH/MS)"
> < Mary.Schryer@gnb.ca>, "Ross, Ken (DH/MS)"<ken.ross@gnb.ca>, "Graham,
> Shawn"<Shawn.Graham@gnb.ca>, Dan Fitzgerald <danf@danf.net>,
> oldmaison@yahoo.com, Richard Harris <injusticecoalition@hotmail.
> "Foster, Ken (DH/MS)"<ken.foster@gnb.ca>, "DH-MS (DH/MS)"
> < DhMs@gnb.ca>, "Richard, Jerry (DH/MS)"<jerry.richard@gnb.ca>, "Van
> Buynder, Jan (DH/MS)"<Jan.VanBuynder@gnb.ca>, "(DH/MS)OCMOH - Office
> of the Chief Medical Officer of Health"<PHCentralOfficeStaff@gnb.ca>
> Cc: Barry Winters <sunrayzulu@shaw.ca>, rebeccaphb@yahoo.com, hubert
> < hubert@uinr.ca>, splitting_the_sky <splitting_the_sky@yahoo.com>,
> Mohawk Nation News <kahentinetha2@yahoo.com>, "Ignatieff. M"
> < Ignatieff.M@parl.gc.ca>, "Jack - M.P. Layton"<Layton.J@parl.gc.ca>,
> "Duceppe. G"<Duceppe.G@parl.gc.ca>,
> catharine.johannson@
> michael.bernard@greenparty.ca, Harper.S@parl.gc.ca, andrew
> < andrew@andrewhouse.ca>, Byron Prior <alltrue@nl.rogers.com>,
> DannyWilliams <DannyWilliams@gov.nl.ca>, "William J. Wagener"
> < producer@onsecondthought.tv>
>
> Dear Mr Amos,
>
> I have received today numerous emails from you. My staff have also
> received a number of phone calls. They have been instructed not to
> respond and not to tolerate any abuse.
>
> I would consider further calls and emails harassment and would need to
> involve the police. Please stop.
>
> I am concerned from the tone of your emails that you may not be well
> at present. Can I strongly urge you to consult with your physician
> for a review as soon as possible.
>
> Dr Paul Van Buynder
> Deputy Chief Medical Officer / Médecin-hygiéniste en chef adjoint
> New Brunswick Department of Health / Ministère de la Santé
> Nouveau-Brunswick
> Tel: (506) 444-2719
> Fax: (506) 453-8702
> Cell: (506) 470-1612
> paul.vanbuynder@gnb.ca
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Amos"<david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> To: "Van Buynder, Dr. Paul (DH/MS)"<Paul.VanBuynder@gnb.ca>;
> < ken.ross@gnb.ca>
> Cc: "drcarley"<drcarley@drcarley.com>; "jane burgermeister"
> < janeburgermeister@gmx.at>; "Alexander S Jones"
> < jones.alexander39@gmail.com>; "hazelbitsnaturals"
> < hazelbitsnaturals@hotmail.com
> "Penny Bright"<waterpressure@gmail.com>; "jacques_poitras"
> < jacques_poitras@cbc.ca>; <chiefape@gmail.com>; "danddbroadcasting"
> < danddbroadcasting@gmail.com>; "Murphy, Michael B. (Hon.) (JUS)"
> < MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca>; "Schryer, Hon. Mary (DH/MS)"
> < Mary.Schryer@gnb.ca>; "Graham, Shawn"<Shawn.Graham@gnb.ca>; "Dan
> Fitzgerald"<danf@danf.net>; <oldmaison@yahoo.com>; "Richard Harris"
> < injusticecoalition@hotmail.
> < ken.foster@gnb.ca>; "DH-MS (DH/MS)"<DhMs@gnb.ca>; "Richard, Jerry
> (DH/MS)"<jerry.richard@gnb.ca>; "Van Buynder, Jan (DH/MS)"
> < Jan.VanBuynder@gnb.ca>; "(DH/MS)OCMOH - Office of the Chief Medical
> Officer of Health"<PHCentralOfficeStaff@gnb.ca>; "Barry Winters"
> < sunrayzulu@shaw.ca>; <rebeccaphb@yahoo.com>; "hubert"
> < hubert@uinr.ca>; "splitting_the_sky"<splitting_the_sky@yahoo.com>;
> "Mohawk Nation News"<kahentinetha2@yahoo.com>; "Ignatieff. M"
> < Ignatieff.M@parl.gc.ca>; "Jack - M.P. Layton"<Layton.J@parl.gc.ca>;
> "Duceppe. G"<Duceppe.G@parl.gc.ca>;
> < catharine.johannson@
> < michael.bernard@greenparty.ca
> < andrew@andrewhouse.ca>; "Byron Prior"<alltrue@nl.rogers.com>;
> "DannyWilliams"<DannyWilliams@gov.nl.ca>; "William J. Wagener"
> < producer@onsecondthought.tv>
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:13 PM
> Subject: What say you my old friend Ken Ross and your Former Minister
> Mikey Murphy? You two fellas have been silent way past too long EH?
>
>
> From: "Ross, Ken (DH/MS)"<ken.ross@gnb.ca>
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 08:43:31 -0300
> Subject: Re: Hey Ken Who is Mental Health's and the Hospital in
> Fredericton's lawyers?
> To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>
> Got your messages Dave. I am in Toronto for meetings and will be back
> in the office Friday. I will ask Barb Whitenect to follow up with you
> in the interim. Yes Herby picked up ypur bike a while back.
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> To: Ross, Ken (DH/MS); Whitenect, Barbara (DH/MS); Murphy, Michael B.
> (DH/MS)
> Cc: Santerre, Rosaire (DH/MS); Pitre, Marc (DH/MS); Eidt, David
> (OAG/CPG); oldmaison@yahoo.com<oldmaison@yahoo.com>; Cyr, Judy
> (DH/MS); Burke, T.J. (Hon.) (JUS); police@fredericton.ca
> < police@fredericton.ca>; Levesque, Carrie (DH/MS); Elgee, Anne
> (DH/MS); danny.copp@fredericton.ca<danny.copp@fredericton.ca>;
> jacques.boucher@rcmp-grc.gc.ca<jacques.boucher@rcmp-grc.gc.
> Sent: Wed Jul 09 07:03:13 2008
> Subject: Hey Ken Who is Mental Health's and the Hospital in
> Fredericton's lawyers?
>
> KENNETH ROSS, Assistant Deputy Minister
> Addictions and Mental Health Services / Health
> Contact Information
> Phone: (506) 457-4800
> Fax: (506) 453-5243
>
> BARBARA WHITENECT, Director
> Addictions and Mental Health Services / Health
> Contact Information
> Phone: (506) 444-4442
> Fax: (506) 453-8711
> EMail Address: Barbara.Whitenect@gnb.ca
>
>
> Sorry to involve you but lets just say that I am really really pissed
> off for very justifiable reasons.
>
> This should prove to some folks that at least I know how to read.
>
> http://www.ahsc.health.nb.ca/
>
> I have no doubt whatsoever that you would more pissed than I am if
> the malicious bullshit that happened to me last weekend had happened
> to you.
>
> I will try to call you in business hours but I suspect in the end I
> will wind up arguing this dude in court in short order. (On a lighter
> note did Herby pick up my bike?)
>
> David Eidt
> Legal Services
> Office of the Attorney General
> Tel: (506) 453-3964
> Fax: (506) 453-3275
> david.eidt@gnb.ca
>
> Best Regards
> Dave
>
>
> These emails and the bullshit from the news last year should to all
> that I am as serious as a heart attack and far from mentally unstabe
> but the cops have proven themselves to be monumental liars many times
>
> Subject:
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:35 -0400
> From: "Murphy, Michael B. \(DH/MS\)"MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca
> To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>
>
> January 30, 2007
>
>
> WITHOUT PREJUDICE
>
> Mr. David Amos
>
>
> Dear Mr. Amos:
>
> This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29,
> 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP.
>
> Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have
> taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve
> Graham of the RCMP "J" Division in Fredericton.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Honourable Michael B. Murphy
> Minister of Health
>
> CM/cb
>
> Warren McBeath warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote:
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:34:53 -0500
> From: "Warren McBeath"warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
> To: kilgoursite@ca.inter.net, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca,
> nada.sarkis@gnb.ca, wally.stiles@gnb.ca, dwatch@web.net,
> motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
> CC: ottawa@chuckstrahl.com, riding@chuckstrahl.com,
> John.Foran@gnb.ca, Oda.B@parl.gc.ca,
> "Bev BUSSON"bev.busson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
> "Paul Dube"PAUL.DUBE@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
> Subject: Re: Remember me Kilgour? Landslide Annie McLellan has
> forgotten me but the crooks within the RCMP have n
>
> Dear Mr. Amos,
>
> Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off over
> the holidays and returned to work this evening. Rest assured I was not
> ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns.
>
> As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our position
> is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process
> testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the
> Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these
> services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this
> instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done.
>
> As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false
> imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear that
> Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada and the
> US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment policing in
> Petitcodiac, NB.
>
> It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on
> December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Warren McBeath, Cpl.
> GRC Caledonia RCMP
> Traffic Services NCO
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On 12/18/15, David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com> wrote:
> Blogger Charles LeBlanc attends Dr. Eilish Cleary News Conference on Shale
> Gas
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?
>
> Published on Oct 16, 2012
>
>
> Me versus Chucky Leblanc and the Fake Left etc
>
> Published on Nov 6, 2015
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?
>
>
>
> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>
> oldmaison@yahoo.com
>
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> http://
>
> Wednesday, 9 December 2015
> Former New Brunswick Chief Medical Officer of Health Dr. Eilish Cleary
> to Blogger and Public - I am VERY upset and I love my Job!!!!!
>
> A person must love the small Capital Town of Fredericton eh??? < Yes
> small Town >
>
> I noticed the Doctor Looking at a store window. I never had a one on
> one with the Former New Brunswick Chief Medical Officer of Health but
> since she has been in the News for the past week? I decided to
> approached the Doctor.
>
> Either its me Acadian Side? < Me Mother is from Scotland > or the Noel
> Holidays? I didn't put my video camera in her face for comments.
>
> I will not disclose our little chat but she did tell me that I could
> blog her Picture with a message to the Public - I am VERY upset and I
> love my Job!!!
>
> This Blogger will leave it at that....:(
>
> Charles,
>
> This is not the typical case that we hear about and then forget
> it.This is just getting started and the government and the Irvings are
> in for alot of pressure from a lot of different groups.There will be
> changes this time.If they think the rexton protest was something they
> were wrong.This time there will be multiple protests and blockades at
> the same time.Whites will standing along side the first nations people
> this time.Things are already in motion and this will be an interesting
> summer.It's time for the puppet governments of Irving to be replaced
> for good but for now I guess we can just fuck with them a bit till the
> next election.
>
> Posted by Charles Leblanc at 3:52 pm
>
> Tuesday, 15 December 2015
> Bring Dr. Cleary Back for the Holidays Campaign!!!
>
> MEDIA ADVISORY
>
> Bring Dr. Cleary Back for the Holidays Campaign
>
> Press Conference – Crown Plaza Fredericton December 16 at 10:30am
>
> A coalition of community groups, academics, health professionals, and
> labour unions is ready to take a stand for Dr. Eilish Cleary. We are
> ready to announce a province-wide campaign: Bring Dr. Cleary Back for
> the Holidays
>
> The Bring Dr. Cleary Back for the Holidays campaign will be spreading
> to communities in every corner of the province. The purpose of our
> campaign is to encourage all New Brunswick MLAs to publicly call for
> Dr. Eilish Cleary to be reinstated as the Chief Medical Officer for
> New Brunswick.
>
> We invite you to our press conference on Wednesday, December 16th at
> 10:30am at the Crown Plaza Hotel in Fredericton.
>
> There will be a presentation in English and French.
>
> MEDIA CONTACT:
>
> Maggie Connell (bilingual)
>
> kalenotshale@gmail.com (506) 459-8081
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 23:08:34 -0400
> Subject: RE CBC yapping about Dr. Eilish Cleary, chief medical officer
> of health, on leave
> To: "victor.boudreau"<victor.boudreau@gnb.ca>, Jacques Poitras
> < Jacques.Poitras@cbc.ca>, andre <andre@jafaust.com>, plee
> < plee@stu.ca>, "oldmaison@yahoo.com"<oldmaison@yahoo.com>
> Cc: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/
>
> Dr. Eilish Cleary, chief medical officer of health, on leaveHigh-profile
> doctor has said she has no comment as to why she is on leave from her job
>
> By Jacques Poitras, CBC News
> Posted: Dec 01, 2015 12:36 PM AT
>
> [image: Dr. Eilish Cleary is on leave from her position as New Brunswick's
> chief medical officer of health.]
>
> Dr. Eilish Cleary is on leave from her position as New Brunswick's chief
> medical officer of health. (Submitted by Eilish Cleary)
>
> Dr. Eilish Cleary, the province's high-profile chief medical officer of
> health, is not on the job and no one will say why.
>
> Cleary has been on leave for several weeks, CBC News has learned.
>
> Cleary confirmed by email she is on leave, but turned down a request for a
> comment. She referred CBC News to the human resources office at the
> Department of Health.
>
> "As you know we cannot comment on personnel matters," said health
> department spokesman Bruce Macfarlane. "However, I can confirm Dr. Jennifer
> Russell is currently serving as acting chief medical officer of health."
>
> Cleary oversees public health programs in the province, from routine
> flu-shot awareness to the large-scale swine flu immunization effort in
> 2009.
>
> She has also taken two extended leaves of absence, one in late 2014 and one
> earlier this year, to work with the World Health Organization on the Ebola
> epidemic in West Africa.
>
> Cleary has been outspoken about several high-profile public health and
> policy issues, including what she called the "social and community health
> risks" of shale gas development in New Brunswick. Shale gas was the
> centrepiece of the previous Progressive Conservative government's job
> creation strategy.
>
> In 2012, the Tories said they might not let her release her report to to
> the public, but then relented.
>
> The Liberals accused the PCs of trying to "muzzle" Cleary, and in their
> 2014 election platform they committed to "ensuring the independence of the
> medical officers of health."
>
> It's not clear whether Cleary asked for the current leave or whether the
> department put her on leave.
>
> Comments on this story are moderated according to our Submission Guidelines
> Comments are welcome while open. We reserve the right to close
> comments at any time.
>
> 40 Comments
>
> Buford Wilson Guest Rank 317
>
> She may be at the GW conference in Paris.
> 5 hours ago
>
> The Carnival King Guest Rank 26130
>
> @Buford Wilson Hope she stays there and we get someone who isn't an
> activist and who will remain in the province and actually do the job they
> are being paid 300k for!
> 3 hours ago
>
> NB IT Worker Guest
> - Rank 7268
>
> I have admired Dr. Cleary for the past several years. She has been a very
> positive influence in this province since she accepted the position. I hope
> that everything is OK with her and her family and that she will be back
> soon.
> 6 hours ago
>
>
> David Amos Guest Rank 0
>
> Gee I wonder if this has anything to do with it???
>
> http://thedavidamosrant.
> 6 hours ago
>
> David Amos Guest Rank 0
>
> Furthermore the CBC, their pal Chucky Leblanc, the Librano Ellen Creighton
> and their old buddy Chad Peters must remember this email long before the
> last writ was dropped in NB last year N'esy Pas?
>
> http://thedavidamosrant.
> 6 hours ago
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> The Carnival King Guest Rank 26130
>
> @David Amos She's an anti fracing activist behind her day job. Check what
> she has said in her native Ireland. Should stay there as far as I'm
> concerned.
> 6 hours ago
>
>
> David Amos Guest Rank 0
>
> @The Carnival King Why??? Pray tell
> 5 hours ago
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> David Amos Guest Rank 0
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> @The Carnival King Enjoy
>
> https://www.nbchf-cnbfh.ca/
> 5 hours ago
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> The Carnival King Guest Rank 26130
>
> @David Amos Shove it!
> 4 hours ago
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>
> The Carnival King Guest Rank 26130
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> @David Amos LOL
> 4 hours ago
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> The Carnival King Guest Rank 26130
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> @David Amos
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> http://www.frackaware.com/
> 4 hours ago
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> David Amos Guest Rank 0
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> @The Carnival King Shove what at least have a name and a face to back up my
> words EH?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?
> 2 hours ago
>
>
> The Carnival King Guest Rank 26130
>
> @David Amos It was a joke...like you..and get a hair cut for goodness sake.
> Stop using drugs would also be a good thing. Your moronic face is all over
> youtube.
> 1 hour ago
>
> David Amos Guest Rank 0
>
> @The Carnival King Perhaps you should grow up, get a name, quit your
> trollish ways and quit slandering a very decent Doctor who speaks from her
> heart. Better yet why not come to Federal Court and speak your mind to me
> face to face in front of witnesses?
>
> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.
>
> However you may want to read this first
>
> .http://davidraymondamos3.
> 17 minutes ago
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 10:40:28 -0400
> Subject: Fwd: RE CBC yapping about Dr. Eilish Cleary, chief medical
> officer of health, on leave
> To: "victor.boudreau"<victor.boudreau@gnb.ca>, Jacques Poitras
> < Jacques.Poitras@cbc.ca>, andre <andre@jafaust.com>, plee
> < plee@stu.ca>, "oldmaison@yahoo.com"<oldmaison@yahoo.com>,
> Melanie.Joly@parl.gc.ca, remi.racine@bhvr.com,
> francine.letourneau@radio-
> nmay@foglers.com, bmitchell@mitchellgattuso.com, friends@friends.ca,
> newsroom <newsroom@globeandmail.ca>, news-tips
> < news-tips@nytimes.com>, andrew <andrew@frankmagazine.ca>, Ombudsman
> < ombudsman@cbc.ca>, info@toddveinotteshow.com, ombudsman
> < ombudsman@radio-canada.ca>, Rob Renaud <Rob.Renaud@cbc.ca>,
> "terry.seguin"<terry.seguin@cbc.ca>
> Cc: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, Hubert T Lacroix
> < ht.lacroix@cbc.ca>, "Robert. Jones"<Robert.Jones@cbc.ca>
>
> Clearly after the very snobby French Ombudsman Piere Tourangeau backed up
> the sneaky bastard Jacques Poitras AGAIN I went about proving once again
> just how EVIL CBC can be byway of Poitras's attack on Dr Eilish Clearly.
> Please notice how quickly Poitras edited my comments and and that of
> several others but left up other comments attacking Dr Cleary in order to
> somehow protray himself as an ethical "journalist"
>
> Veritas Vincit
> David Raymond Amos
> 902 800 0369
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/
>
> David Amos Guest Rank 0
> @The Carnival King My My aren't you just another hit and run chicken?
> Delete your comments and run off just like every other noname cyber
> bully on the planet EH?
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Cleary, Dr. Eilish (DH/MS) <Dr.Eilish.Cleary@gnb.ca>
> Date: 2015-12-02 11:41 GMT-04:00
> Subject: Automatic reply: RE CBC yapping about Dr. Eilish Cleary,
> chief medical officer of health, on leave
> To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
>
> I am currently out of the office. If your message is urgent, please
> contact Tammy Gautreau at (506) 444-2112 or at
> tammy.gautreau@gnb.ca<mailto:t
>
> Je suis présentement hors du bureau. Si votre message est urgent,
> veuillez communiquer avec Tammy Gautreau au (506) 444-2112 ou à
> tammy.gautreau@gnb.ca<mailto:t
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ombudsman de Radio-Canada <ombudsman@radio-canada.ca>
> Date: Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:18 AM
> Subject: Re: RE CBC yapping about Dr. Eilish Cleary, chief medical
> officer of health, on leave
> To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> Cc: "victor.boudreau"<victor.boudreau@gnb.ca>, Jacques Poitras
> < Jacques.Poitras@cbc.ca>, andre <andre@jafaust.com>, plee
> < plee@stu.ca>, "oldmaison@yahoo.com"<oldmaison@yahoo.com>,
> Melanie.Joly@parl.gc.ca, remi.racine@bhvr.com, "Letourneau, Francine"
> < francine.letourneau@radio-
> nmay@foglers.com, bmitchell@mitchellgattuso.com, friends@friends.ca,
> newsroom <newsroom@globeandmail.ca>, news-tips
> < news-tips@nytimes.com>, andrew <andrew@frankmagazine.ca>, Ombudsman
> < ombudsman@cbc.ca>, info@toddveinotteshow.com, Rob Renaud
> < Rob.Renaud@cbc.ca>, "terry.seguin"<terry.seguin@cbc.ca>, David Amos
> < motomaniac333@gmail.com>, Hubert T Lacroix <ht.lacroix@cbc.ca>,
> "Robert. Jones"<Robert.Jones@cbc.ca>
>
> Sir,
>
> Since I did not understand the nature and meaning of your emails, I
> thought I would ask you to clarify your thinking. You have, however,
> continued to send me your disjointed messages.
>
> I was patient and polite until now.
>
> But as you do not seem able, or do not want to give me those details
> I asked for, and because you become aggressive and virulent in your
> remarks, I ask you not to write me and not to call at my office
> anymore. Your emails will now fall into the spam folder and we will
> not answer more calls.
>
> Thank you for your understanding.
>
> Pierre Tourangeau
> Ombudsman des Services français
> Blogue et révisions sur http://www.ombudsman.cbc.
> Tél. : 514-597-4757 - sans frais : 1 877 846-4737
> Twitter : @ombudsmanrc
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 15:54:29 -0400
> Subject: Re: RE CBC yapping about Dr. Eilish Cleary, chief medical
> officer of health, on leave
> To: "victor.boudreau"<victor.boudreau@gnb.ca>, Jacques Poitras
> < Jacques.Poitras@cbc.ca>, andre <andre@jafaust.com>, plee
> < plee@stu.ca>, "oldmaison@yahoo.com"<oldmaison@yahoo.com>,
> Melanie.Joly@parl.gc.ca, remi.racine@bhvr.com,
> francine.letourneau@radio-
> nmay@foglers.com, bmitchell@mitchellgattuso.com, friends@friends.ca,
> newsroom <newsroom@globeandmail.ca>, news-tips
> < news-tips@nytimes.com>, andrew <andrew@frankmagazine.ca>, Ombudsman
> < ombudsman@cbc.ca>, info@toddveinotteshow.com, ombudsman
> < ombudsman@radio-canada.ca>, Rob Renaud <Rob.Renaud@cbc.ca>,
> "terry.seguin"<terry.seguin@cbc.ca>, tammy.gautreau@gnb.ca
> Cc: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, Hubert T Lacroix
> < ht.lacroix@cbc.ca>, "Robert. Jones"<Robert.Jones@cbc.ca>
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/
>
> Dr. Eilish Cleary studying glyphosate when put on leave Chief medical
> officer of health 'surprised and upset' by leave from provincial government
>
> By Jacques Poitras, CBC News
> < http://www.cbc.ca/news/cbc-
> Dec 02, 2015 1:12 PM AT
>
>
> [image: New Brunswick's chief medical officer of health, Dr. Eilish
> Cleary.]
>
> New Brunswick's chief medical officer of health, Dr. Eilish Cleary. (CBC)
>
> New Brunswick's chief medical officer of health was working on a study of
> the controversial herbicide glyphosate when she was put on leave, CBC News
> has learned.
>
> Dr. Eilish Cleary wrote to a Kent County resident in August that her office
> would be "developing a plan to further explore" the herbicide, which is
> used in New Brunswick by forestry company J.D. Irving Ltd. and by NB Power.
>
> 'This is not a situation where I requested a personal leave.'- Eilish
> Cleary,
> chief medical officer of health
>
> Cleary confirmed in an email to CBC News Wednesday that "This is not a
> situation where I requested a personal leave."
>
> She said she was not allowed to discuss the reasons for the leave.
>
> "I was surprised and upset when it happened. The whole situation has caused
> me significant stress and anxiety. And not being able to talk about it
> makes it worse."
> WHO deems glyphosate probably carcinogenic
>
> The International Agency for Research on Cancer, a branch of the World
> Health Organization, deemed glyphosate "probably carcinogenic to humans"
> earlier this year.
>
> In a letter to Bass River resident Ann Pohl in August, Cleary said she and
> her staff concurred with the IARC finding and would look into it.
>
> Pohl provided a copy of the letter to CBC News.
>
> Health Canada said earlier this year that the federal Pesticide Management
> Regulatory Agency would re-evaluate glyphosate, but pending that review, it
> wasn't considered harmful to human health.
>
> 'I'm concerned there might be some corporate or political pressure put on [
> Cleary] for her to stand aside.'- Ann Pohl, Bass River resident
>
> If Health Canada found action was needed, Cleary wrote in her August
> letter, "please be assured that I will take proactive action to ensure that
> public health in New Brunswick is protected."
>
> Pohl, who is a member of the Council of Canadians, says Cleary responded
> quickly when she first contacted her about glyphosate. "She was very
> interested in the issue.
>
> "I'm concerned there might be some corporate or political pressure put on [
> Cleary] for her to stand aside."
>
> Pohl says Dr. Jennifer Russell, the acting chief medical officer of health,
> told her on Nov. 9 the glyphosate study was still going ahead, and the
> office's action plan would be complete before the 2016 spraying season.
> Health minister says 'personnel matter'
>
> Health Minister Victor Boudreau told reporters Cleary's leave "is a
> personnel matter. It's not something we can comment about. It has nothing
> to do with the office per se, or the independence of the office. It's an HR
> issue and I won't comment anymore."
>
> In 2012, Cleary wrote a report on what she considered the "social and
> community health risks" of shale gas development, a report the
> then-Progressive Conservative government considered keeping secret.
>
> The PCs eventually allowed it to be released.
>
> "I think I have had to re-affirm my right and my ability to speak,"
> Cleary later said about the episode.
>
> Pohl says she admired Cleary's work on shale gas "and we were really hoping
> she'd do the same thing with the glyphosate spraying issue."
> 'She's an action hero for us'
>
> "She's an action hero for us in New Brunswick," Pohl says.
>
> "We have so many of these environmental health issues and so many things
> that we need to be thinking about."
>
> The Liberals, who accused the PCs of trying to "muzzle" Cleary on shale
> gas, promised in their 2014 election platform to "ensuring the independence
> of the medical officers of health."
>
> The platform also said any decision on fracking would "follow
> recommendations of the Chief Medical Officer of Health."
>
> Comments on this story are moderated according to our Submission Guidelines
> < http://www.cbc.ca/aboutcbc/
> welcome while open. We reserve the right to close comments at any time.
>
>
> 106 Comments
>
>
> David Amos Guest Rank 0
>
> Dr. Eilish Cleary and her friend Ann Pohl should review my comments that
> CBC deleted
> 5 minutes ago
>
>
> enoughalready Guest Rank 9929
>
> @David Amos
> Please try reposting, sometimes that works. Just carefully reword things
> without losing the main point. Just a suggestion.
> 8 minutes ago
>
> David Amos Guest Rank 0
>
> @enoughalready FYI CBC deleted all my comments yesterday these were the
> first two
>
> Gee I wonder if this has anything to do with it???
>
> http://thedavidamosrant.
>
> AND
>
> Furthermore the CBC, their pal Chucky Leblanc, the Librano Ellen Creighton
> and their old buddy Chad Peters must remember this email long before the
> last writ was dropped in NB last year N'esy Pas?
>
> http://thedavidamosrant.
>
>
> olddawn Guest Rank 5437
>
> Dr. Cleary had the opportunity to pull the health records of every person
> around the producing wells on and around the McCully Field near Sussex. She
> did not do that.
>
> Glyphosate is a proven to be a carcinogen nd an immune disputer. Glyphosate
> is sprayed on our woods and on our GMO potatoes.
> 18 minutes ago
>
> David Amos Guest Rank 0
>
> @olddawn You are correct as usual. Best Regards and Merry Christmas
> Just now
>
>
>
> On 12/18/15, David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I must ask Mr Basque the obvious question.
>>
>> Do you even remember me or my other emails over the years?
>>
>> Here is a hint if you were to Google my name and YOURS email you can
>> find some of my emails to you PUBLISHED on the Internet many years ago
>>
>> Here is just one example
>>
>> http://davidamos.blogspot.ca/
>>
>> Now Scroll done and remind your client the Good Doctor of an email I
>> sent her in 2012 will ya?
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "G. Robert Basque"<grbasque@forbesrothbasque.nb.
>> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 15:07:11 +0000
>> Subject: RE: BTW Trust that All the Green Meanies know why this stuff
>> by Ann Pohl and pals really pisses me off
>> To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
>>
>> Please stop sending me emails
>>
>> GRBasque
>>
>> You dudes my wish to give the lady a golden handshake behind closed
>> doors but it does not follow that my fellow taxpayers are entitiled to
>> know about our spit and chew N'esy Pas?
>>
>> "Dr. Eilish Cleary was planning to be a guest on the radio program
>> Thursday morning, but cancelled Wednesday evening.
>>
>> "I was asked by government lawyers not to speak publicly and my lawyer
>> advised we accommodate their request," said Cleary in an emailed
>> statement to CBC News.
>>
>> In his statement, Maston said Cleary's statement was inaccurate.
>> Maston said it's a breach under the New Brunswick Law Society's
>> professional code of conduct for a lawyer to directly contact the
>> client of another lawyer.
>>
>> "Dr. Cleary's statement today implies that government lawyers
>> committed such a breach. This is not the case, as confirmed by Dr.
>> Cleary's lawyer.
>>
>> "There was an agreement of all parties that they would not talk
>> publicly while negotiations were ongoing. Unfortunately, government
>> was refused its request for consent by Dr. Cleary to discuss the
>> details of this matter. Without consent, government is unable to
>> respond to comments made by Dr. Cleary and others. As this is a
>> personnel matter, we believe it is appropriate not to comment to
>> protect the privacy of the several parties involved."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: David Amos <myson333@yahoo.com>
>> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:51:21 -0700 (PDT)
>> Subject: Dr Eilesh Cleary I am very impressed with your Integrity and
>> gumption
>> To: Eilish.Cleary@gnb.ca
>> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, motomaniac333@gmail.com
>>
>> Dr Elish Cleary
>> Chief Medical Officer
>> HSBC Place
>> Floor: 5
>> P. O. Box 5100
>> Fredericton, NB E3B 5G8
>> Phone : (506) 444-2112
>> Eilish.Cleary@gnb.ca
>>
>> If you ever need help dealing with the :Powers that Be in this Placem
>> trust tht s lots I can do but for now less is more Please use our
>> resources to print this pdf file an stow it away for a rainy day.
>>
>> http://www.checktheevidence.
>>
>>
>> Then if push comes to shove someday merely mention my name and watch
>> their eyes. The email below and the link to a Youtube should prove you
>> I can put the Heath Minister over a barrel in a New York minute (Its
>> always about the money) .
>>
>> If the smiling bastards still won't change their tune with you even
>> after you show them the letters within the pdf file above, email me or
>> give me a call and leave a message if I don't pick up. I will do my
>> best to assist you ASAP.
>>
>> Best Regards and Veritas Vincit
>> David Raymond Amos
>> 902 800 0369
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>>
>> Subject:
>> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:35 -0400
>> From: "Murphy, Michael B. \(DH/MS\)"MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca
>> To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>>
>> January 30, 2007
>>
>> WITHOUT PREJUDICE
>>
>> Mr. David Amos
>>
>> Dear Mr. Amos:
>>
>> This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29,
>> 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP. Because of the nature of
>> the allegations made in your message, I have taken the measure of
>> forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve Graham of the RCMP
>> "J" Division in Fredericton.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Honourable Michael B. Murphy
>> Minister of Health
>>
>>
>>
>> Health officer speaks out on shale gas report
>> Chief medical officer of health speaks out on shale gas report after
>> first suggesting it would be kept confidential
>> CBC News
>> Posted: Oct 6, 2012 1:58 PM AT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Related Stories
>>
>> Shale gas report by health officer may remain secret
>> N.B. chief medical officer of health Dr. Eilish Cleary. (CBC)
>> New Brunswick's chief medical officer of health says she'll continue
>> to play a role in the debate about shale gas.
>> Dr. Eilish Cleary spoke to reporters Friday about the province's
>> decision to release her report on the issue, after the Alward
>> government first suggested it would be kept confidential.
>> Cleary also pushed back against Environment Minister Bruce Fitch and
>> his description of her report. Cleary was asked whether her work was
>> out of date -- a suggestion made yesterday in a comment by Fitch.
>> "Some of the technology has improved based on some of the information
>> that was researched in her work," Fitch said.
>> "The situation will change," said Cleary. "The recommendations may
>> need to be updated but it is as current as we can provide at this
>> time. I believe it's important for public health to be involved at
>> every step of the shale gas development."
>> Cleary says there was a lot of confusion this week and now that
>> confusion has been resolved. She says she's satisfied that the Alward
>> government will release her report on the health impacts of
>> hydrofracking.
>> Cleary said she believes her role is to communicate directly with the
>> public on all health issues, including shale gas.
>> "Should something arise that affects the health of the population, I
>> will speak about it," said Cleary.
>> Cleary wouldn't describe her conversations with Health Minister
>> Madeleine Dube. She says she'll speak about the contents of the report
>> when it's released on Oct. 15.
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>> Shale gas report by health officer may remain secret
>> Dr. Eilish Cleary looked at potential health impacts of the shale gas
>> industry
>> CBC News
>> Posted: Oct 3, 2012 6:17 AM AT Read 85 comments85
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>> Interactive: Hydraulic fracturing animation
>> Dr. Eilish Cleary, the chief medical officer of health, drafted a
>> report on the potential health impacts of the shale gas industry.
>> (CBC)
>> The Alward government will not say whether it will release a report by
>> the province's chief medical officer of health on the potential health
>> impacts of the shale gas industry.
>> Dr. Eilish Cleary spent part of the summer drafting recommendations
>> for the provincial government on possible shale gas development in New
>> Brunswick.
>> She was to look at the potential health impacts of the industry and
>> what the provincial government should do to minimize them.
>> But Tracey Burkhardt, a spokeswoman with the Department of Health,
>> told CBC News that Cleary won't be discussing her recommendations
>> publicly.
>> The report will be circulated internally as part of the provincial
>> government's discussion on shale gas, Burkhardt said.
>> 'That's the piece that is, I think, the most salient to the public.
>> That's what they really want to know — how is this going to impact me
>> and my family going forward?'—Stephanie Merrill, Conservation Council
>> of New Brunswick
>> Stephanie Merrill, the fresh water program co-ordinator for the
>> Conservation Council of New Brunswick, contends it's important
>> Cleary's report on the controversial issue be made public.
>> "We need that piece, to make sure people have the whole picture," Merrill
>> said.
>> "That's the piece that's missing, and that's the piece that is, I
>> think, the most salient to the public. That's what they really want to
>> know — how is this going to impact me and my family going forward?"
>> Important to track effects
>> In May, when Cleary undertook the review, she said "there would need
>> to be some investment in resources and infrastructure to ensure that
>> the negative impacts are mitigated and minimized."
>> Cleary, the province's top public health official, said it would be
>> important to try to track the health effects of the industry, but that
>> it would be expensive.
>> She had been looking at what other provinces and U.S. jurisdictions
>> had done to monitor any impacts from hydraulic fracturing, commonly
>> known as hydro-fracking.
>> Hydro-fracking is a process where exploration companies inject a
>> mixture of water, sand and chemicals into the ground, creating cracks
>> in shale rock formations. That process allows companies to extract
>> natural gas from areas that would otherwise go untapped.
>> Opponents to the shale gas industry say the hydro-fracking process can
>> cause water and air pollution.
>> The provincial government has promised to release the results of a
>> separate report by Prof. Louis LaPierre on his public consultations
>> regarding proposed rule changes for the industry.
>> LaPierre's report is expected this fall.
>> But officials say it's too early to commit to releasing Cleary's
>> recommendations publicly.
>> The government introduced 116 proposed changes to the regulatory
>> framework that oversees the oil and gas industry in May.
>> The new provincial regulations will set out stricter rules on
>> protecting the environment, Natural Resources Minister Bruce Northrup
>> has said.
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>> luv2runstandard2012/10/03
>> at 6:28 AM ETsimple mathematics, folks: shale gas report +
>> corporate/government influence + no public reporting = bad for New
>> BrunswickersRating301Agree with comment (320 people agree)Disagree
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>> WireTappedstandard2012/10/03
>> at 11:15 AM ETIts really inconceivable that the government will keep
>> this report a secret.
>>
>> are they going to edit it several times before releasing it to the
>> public?
>> Just need to make sure it paints a pretty picture?
>> maybe just black-out all the important parts so that nobody knows how
>> bad it might be?
>>
>> I mean, why would the voting public want to know if this is an
>> industry that might have a negative health impact ? ignorance is bliss
>> right?
>>
>> drill baby drill !
>> and let the affected people go to court / hospitals to heal their
>> illnesses?
>>
>> maybe they need to know if the "projected" health costs are less than
>> the "projected" economic benefit?
>>
>> who cares about pollution, if you have a job you can save money and
>> move to a different province when you retire.Rating13Agree with
>> comment (16 people agree)Disagree with comment (3 people disagree)Hide
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>> 2Right4Ustandard2012/10/03
>> at 6:32 AM ETAnother Secret?
>>
>> Haven't governments worldwide started to realize in today's
>> interconnected world trying to keep things "secret" doesn't work. The
>> "word" that you are keeping vital information about input for decision
>> making secret does nothing to create confidence the Gov is making the
>> proper decisions.
>>
>> Yes, many times tough decisions need to be made and the people need to
>> know the information behind these decisions to support the decision
>> makers.
>>
>> No, Premier Alward, not everyone in NB was born in the US - we can't
>> all "run away" to another country when things get really
>> bad.Rating235Agree with comment (241 people agree)Disagree with
>> comment (6 people disagree)PolicyReport abuse (0)
>> Friendlyhikerstandard2012/10/
>> at 6:31 AM ETThe people have a right to know the truth. This is not a
>> banana republic is it? There are only some 34 million or so people in
>> Canada. And less than a million in New Brunswick. Destruction of fresh
>> water and lungs may cause more damage than the benefits it brings.
>> There are other ways to make a living are there not? An open
>> discussion with all is the best way to go.Rating224Agree with comment
>> (236 people agree)Disagree with comment (12 people
>> disagree)PolicyReport abuse (0)
>> GMurray001standard2012/10/03
>> at 6:29 AM ETIT will never be released as that would be too
>> "transparent" for Alward and it would be difficult for him to openly
>> support his gassy buddies.Rating205Agree with comment (210 people
>> agree)Disagree with comment (5 people disagree)PolicyReport abuse (0)
>> CanuckCommanderstandard2012/
>> at 6:40 AM ETNo surprise, Ally Ally Awkward is all about running a
>> government in secret.Rating199Agree with comment (209 people
>> agree)Disagree with comment (10 people disagree)Hide 1
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>> baby2002standard2012/10/03
>> at 1:53 PM ETThat is what one gets for giving them a majority
>> government. Maybe in the next election people will use there brains to
>> think about who and what they want for a leader in this province
>> before they vote. Voting out of hate rid for another party just does
>> not work and this government that was voted in just goes to prove
>> that. A lot of people may not like my way of think about this but it
>> is the best response I can come up with. Just have to grin and bare it
>> for two more years there is no other choice in the matter. Hopefully
>> now the people of New Brunswick have learn't that voting against
>> another party because they do not like what they are doing or are
>> trying to do does not fix anything. As long as the people keep voting
>> in people that are scared of big business and so on nothing is ever
>> going to change. The status quo is no good any more, but who knows
>> when people will wake up and realize that.Rating5Agree with comment (5
>> people
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>> shawnsviewstandard2012/10/03
>> at 6:47 AM ETIf they had nothing to hide, they would release the
>> information.Rating168Agree with comment (172 people agree)Disagree
>> with comment (4 people disagree)PolicyReport abuse (0)
>> Lemmy Motorstandard2012/10/03
>> at 7:45 AM ETThe Alward government talked the talk at election time
>> now with broken promise after broken promise and closed door meetings,
>> please people send him a email send one to your mla tell them how you
>> feel ,this is like the Harper government would do.Alward is not
>> letting the people of NB have all the info on several issues.People
>> were so pissed at the Graham government .Now we have Mr Alward who
>> wanted referendums,said he would be different even transparent what a
>> load of BS.Rating117Agree with comment (117 people agree)Disagree with
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>> ACommentstandard2012/10/03
>> at 7:40 AM ETThe Alward Government is keeping a lot of questionable
>> things Secret.Rating111Agree with comment (125 people agree)Disagree
>> with comment (14 people disagree)PolicyReport abuse (0)
>> borntolive507standard2012/10/
>> at 8:23 AM ETIf this report is not released, it will make the Alward
>> government look very bad. The taxpayers paid for this report.
>>
>> Taxpayer have every right to be suspicious and even doubtful of the
>> safety of shale gas exploration if this report is not made public.
>>
>> If the report is not released, Mr. Alward has something to hide. That
>> will mean the end of his leadership at the next election. Taxpayers
>> hate deception. We aren't fond of secrecy that hides dangers to our
>> health either.Rating103Agree with comment (105 people agree)Disagree
>> with comment (2 people disagree)PolicyReport abuse (0)
>> Ty_Ginstandard2012/10/03
>> at 8:02 AM ETAs has been proven time and time agian, the government
>> doesn't run this province, business runs this province and will until
>> a snowball lasts a long time in hell. Mr. Alward has, like any other
>> premier, yielded to the trappings of business and is securely in the
>> back pockets of the Irving's among others. The government seems to
>> forget, that it's our money (the public, remember us?) that finances
>> your ventures and we are "entitled" to know where you and your
>> cronnies are spending our cash. But, like those before you,
>> positioning of your "business friends" money is paramount to the
>> welfare of the citizens that elected you and your "buddies". So, the
>> saga of secretive government continues and continues until such time
>> as the Premier and MLA's qualify for the Platinum Plated Pension they
>> have afforded themselves. Then and only then will the public have our
>> elected officials ears. It would be shocking to see any politician in
>> this province have
>> the fortitude to expose the "back room" dealings. But then they would
>> be expelled for telling the truth. A legacy the Alward government
>> continues to nurture and expand. Nuff said.......Rating91Agree with
>> comment (95 people agree)Disagree with comment (4 people
>> disagree)PolicyReport abuse (0)
>> ManAgainstTimestandard2012/10/
>> at 8:56 AM ETThis is why New Brunswick got an F in freedom of
>> information...Rating80Agree with comment (83 people agree)Disagree
>> with comment (3 people disagree)PolicyReport abuse (0)
>> olddawnstandard2012/10/03
>> at 7:27 AM ETWhat else is happening here? Wat as the point doing a
>> review of potential health effects if they do a "review" of what we
>> have here?
>>
>> The first well flared in 1999 and today we have 82 wells. There were
>> eleven fracks done in three wells in 2002 and they have been fracking
>> here for a long time.
>>
>> Is is possible they don't want us to know how much natural gas has
>> already been "produced" here and that successive governments have
>> ignored royalties and incomes taxes?
>>
>> Why is Alberta's natural gas worth a 36% RR on the selling price?
>> Granted in Alberta they give the driller a RR break in the first year
>> of production. The government collects a 5% that first year. The
>> greatest production is in the first year but the well recovers and
>> then produces for 35-50 years.
>>
>> Are the hiding the fact that n 2004, NB lost a Michelin bid because
>> they refused to licence a pipeline to the Sussex Industrial Park?
>> Michelin now employs 1,200 people in Nova Scotia!
>>
>> McCully gas is dry and doesn't have the problems associated with wet
>> or sour gas. Perhaps they are hiding the oil! We have 16 oil wells and
>> there is 2 million barrels in just one of them! Alberta gets a 40%
>> Royalty rate on the selling price of the oil for the people of
>> Alberta.
>>
>> Or, are they hiding the fact that that Auditor General has asked
>> questions about NB's natural resources for nine plus years and they
>> won't answer our accountant's questions? .Rating76Agree with comment
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>> 2Right4Ustandard2012/10/03
>> at 8:46 AM ETIf they have been refusing to answer for 9 years then
>> there is more than Political party that needs to be tared with the
>> brushRating21Agree with comment (21 people agree)Disagree with comment
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>> StrictlyFactsstandard2012/10/
>> at 9:03 AM ETThere's no unconventional shale gas extraction happening
>> in this province yet. Point to some if you can. You' re just
>> interested in making sure the kind you like to talk about, the gas
>> pocket extractors, are not shipped out in our attempt to protect
>> ourselves from a lot worse than what you do. There's nothing to tap
>> here no but the stuff that lays near the surface in a few specific
>> areas where they are going over old fields to try and get the easy
>> pickings. And they struggle with that, it is to be said. The rest is
>> tied into shale beds we hopefully will never try and access.
>>
>> Disingenuous in not strong enough of the word to use to describe your
>> tactics here.
>>
>> Out with the economic angle again when you' re uninterested in talking
>> health and welfare and human impacts; that's to be expected. Rinse and
>> repeat right? Stay on message right?Rating5Agree with comment (11
>> people agree)Disagree with comment (6 people disagree)Hide
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>> My_Saystandard2012/10/03
>> at 9:25 AM ET" and they have been fracking here for a long time "
>>
>> This is part of the issue. Nobody has been 'horizontally
>> hydrofracking' anywhere for a 'long time'. Horizontal wellbores used
>> for hyrdrofracking do not have the history that more traditional
>> vertical hyrdrofracking does and is a completely different beast.
>>
>> While both sides of the hyrdrofracking issue have their shrills. The
>> most dangerous misinformation comes from those citing the safety and
>> history of vertical hyrdrofracking and pretending that they are
>> applicable to Horizontal wellbores used for
>> hyrdrofracking.Rating7Agree with comment (12 people agree)Disagree
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>> 2Right4Ustandard2012/10/03
>> at 10:25 AM ET@My_Say - same industry - same companies - same rape and
>> pillage attitude
>>
>> As I said before, "tar with the same brush"Rating4Agree with comment
>> (5 people agree)Disagree with comment (1 people disagree)Hide
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>> olddawnstandard2012/10/03
>> at 7:56 PM ETThere are eleven well pads in the McCully area. The pads
>> are: F-67, N-57, B-67, M-66, 0-76, l-05, B-58, G-48, L-38, I-39, D-48,
>> and then just wells. There as many as six wells on one pad. Then
>> Petroworth has 11 wells mainly on the Feenan Property.
>>
>> The reference for eleven fracs in three wells b 2002
>> http://www.corridor.ca/media/
>>
>> Reference for the AG and no answers for nine years
>> http://www.gnb.ca/oag-bvg/
>>
>> These first two wells supply the mine and the gas is dry that all they
>> needed was an inlet separator. These two wells were not fracked. July
>> 31, 2001 The McCully #1 and #2 wells together have a combined initial
>> production capacity (non-stimulated) of more than 5 million cubic feet
>> per day (mmcfpd) at a design separator pressure of 500 psi, more than
>> enough production to meet initial local market requirements.
>> http://www.corridor.ca/media/
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>> olddawnstandard2012/10/03
>> at 8:10 PM ETMcCully Field is heavily fracked -- this gives you a god
>> idea of the scope. Corridor certainly hasn't been as secretive as
>> Petroworth!
>> http://www.corridor.ca/
>>
>> Unconventional refers to the scale! Mulitwell pads! Fracking
>> horizonally was common for oil not cheap natural gas! Dr. Ingraffea
>> told us that although he certainly didn't dwell on it!Rating0Agree
>> with comment (1 people agree)Disagree with comment (1 people
>> disagree)Hide repliesPolicyReport abuse (0)
>> Mr.Ricestandard2012/10/03
>> at 8:40 AM ETArticle at the bottom of CBC's webpage reads:
>>
>> "Privacy official disappointed by info disclosure 'F'"
>>
>> Title of this report:
>>
>> "Shale gas report by health officer may remain secret"
>>
>> Need I say more..........................
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>> Rembrentstandard2012/10/03
>> at 8:34 AM ETPC website.
>>
>> There are the six major elements of government and democratic reform
>> including:
>>
>> • Fixing the governance system to include more voices; Dictatorship.
>> • Better citizen engagement through voting; Vote & Shut up!
>> • Improving the information available to citizens; Behind Closed Doors.
>> • Shedding more light on our public finances; Cabinet Confidentiality.
>> • Increased transparency of decision-making, and; Top Secret.
>> • Creating a reasonable compensation package for politicians. A
>> Priority.Rating66Agree with comment (68 people agree)Disagree with
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>> rippedoffagainstandard2012/10/
>> at 9:00 AM ETWe the workin people of nb will not see any royaltys or
>> benifit from shale gas or any other resource in nb, only only the
>> greedy rich buddies of the alward gov. will .
>>
>> Alward is making it alot easier for me to vote for the peoples
>> alliance .Rating65Agree with comment (69 people agree)Disagree with
>> comment (4 people disagree)Hide 1 replyPolicyReport abuse (0)
>>
>> 2Right4Ustandard2012/10/03
>> at 9:19 AM ETall this recent fracking was initially approved by the
>> Liberals
>>
>> The Libs aren't currently doing much complaining about the status quo
>>
>> If you want to tar the Cons then you have to tar the Libs with the
>> same brushRating9Agree with comment (14 people agree)Disagree with
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>> Fougiestandard2012/10/03
>> at 9:30 AM ETWhy would any report on health impacts be kept a secret?
>> Hoping some conservative voters are having buyers
>> remorse.Rating60Agree with comment (62 people agree)Disagree with
>> comment (2 people disagree)Hide 1 replyPolicyReport abuse (0)
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>> MamaHummingBirdstandard2012/
>> at 10:20 AM ETI don't think this bunch knows what remorse
>> is.Rating10Agree with comment (11 people agree)Disagree with comment
>> (1 people disagree)Hide repliesPolicyReport abuse (0)
>> LGClarkstandard2012/10/03
>> at 9:15 AM ETEnough secrecy Alward!!!!!!! Release the damned
>> report!Rating59Agree with comment (62 people agree)Disagree with
>> comment (3 people disagree)PolicyReport abuse (0)
>> StrictlyFactsstandard2012/10/
>> at 9:18 AM ETThe health effects are non negligible which means they
>> translate into human consequences. Epidemiological studies would be
>> used to transfer that in terms of human sickness and the cost to our
>> healthcare system. The government, being as discrete as possible, is
>> going to go forward with this because it is willing to throw some of
>> the population under the bus in its spreadsheet considerations. They
>> just don't want you to know what they were told. No one individual
>> wants to be that statistic so they make sure it stays outside of the
>> realm of the individual. The deciders, being the sheep herders, move
>> the herd to where it pays so that we may be fleeced later.
>>
>> It's gross and it stinks because every one of us elects them to
>> protect our own interest, not just the interests of our business
>> class. We can't even know what the most informed among us have to say
>> about it. It's tragic.Rating54Agree with comment (57 people
>> agree)Disagree with comment (3 people disagree)Hide 1
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>> HopeCaperstandard2012/10/03
>> at 8:20 PM ETAll governments are willing to throw NB'ers under the
>> bus. Just look at Penobsquis residents who have paid the price for the
>> wealth in the Sussex area. I wasn't even aware of their plight until I
>> started to look into fracking. That they could have suffered all of
>> these years and there was no news coverage is astounding. Even more
>> astounding our own MLA's and MP's had to be aware of this disaster and
>> yet they did nothing either. Not even raise the alarm. The people of
>> Penobsquis need to get active and start pushing for a responsive
>> government and we need to support them.Rating1Agree with comment (1
>> people agree)Disagree with comment (0 people disagree)Hide
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>> Rembrentstandard2012/10/03
>> at 9:45 AM ETLOL the lies at full view, on the PC website.
>>
>> More Open and Transparent Government.
>>
>> There have been far too many examples of questionable deal-making
>> behind closed doors over the past four years: losing taxpayer money on
>> a golf course, buying a new luxury airplane, and putting a well-known
>> paid lobbyist in charge of the government's agenda. All are examples
>> that make New Brunswickers ask the question, whose interests are being
>> served.
>>
>> From their airplane to the Irving lobbyist. The funniest part...All
>> are examples that make New Brunswickers ask the question, whose
>> interests are being served????
>> I had to put the question marks for them.Rating50Agree with comment
>> (50 people agree)Disagree with comment (0 people disagree)Hide 1
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>> 2Right4Ustandard2012/10/03
>> at 10:33 AM ET@Rembrent wrote "There have been far too many examples
>> of questionable deal-making behind closed doors over the past four
>> years"
>>
>> If these have been going on for 4 years, then get out tar your brush
>> not only for Alward's gand but the Liberals too - Alward has only been
>> in power for two yearsRating1Agree with comment (3 people
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>> ChantalLeBouthistandard2012/
>> at 9:47 AM ETAlward You Serve the Peoples you took Oath
>>
>> Is not call the Secret Gov of NBRating49Agree with comment (51 people
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>> Msantifracker11standard2012/
>> at 9:11 AM ETof course it wont be released...until after the needed
>> changes are made or deleted , so the govt has a look good study. I am
>> hoping Dr Cleary stands up to the govt and if need be publishs her
>> personal report....this govt is the ultimate in controlling and
>> manipulating us, the peopleRating49Agree with comment (52 people
>> agree)Disagree with comment (3 people disagree)PolicyReport abuse (0)
>> NEWSBUMstandard2012/10/03
>> at 9:28 AM ETJust Alward backing out of a election promise to the
>> public. We need a system where we can remove politicians that do not
>> deliver..... fired! I see it like this. The doctor was one the public
>> payroll, she worked for you and me. Therefore the results of her study
>> is ours, perhaps we shouldn't allow Alward to see it.Rating47Agree
>> with comment (49 people agree)Disagree with comment (2 people
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>> homeinnbstandard2012/10/03
>> at 11:18 AM ETIn the United States, federal officials can be removed
>> from office before their term is up only by the process known as
>> impeachment. However, state (our province) and local officials can be
>> removed from office through a procedure known as a recall. Recalls are
>> typically carried out by special elections called for by voters
>> This is what is needed in New Brunswick. There would be a major house
>> cleaning in Fredericton and a message would be sent to candidates that
>> the voters are in charge.Rating8Agree with comment (9 people
>> agree)Disagree with comment (1 people disagree)Hide
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>> MamaHummingBirdstandard2012/
>> at 9:41 AM ETSo now we know the truth. Shale gas is bad for this
>> Province. This secrecy proves that the Alward government, including
>> Craig Leonard, does not give a darn for you, your families or your
>> rights. Protest tongiht at Forest Hill United Church, 45 Kimble Ct. at
>> 7:00 p.m. Craig Leonard will be speaking.Rating44Agree with comment
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>> Leonard81standard2012/10/03
>> at 10:23 AM ETRobichaud wanted a fair shake from the mining industry,
>> and didn't get it. Hatfield was duped into believing we could
>> manufacture a sports car. New Brunswickers picked up the tab. McKenna
>> thought call centres were the answer. They're not. Lord? As Weir put
>> it, his lips moved but McKenna continued to speak. Graham thought he
>> could literally sell our province out of debt. And now there's shale
>> gas. It's another private-sector opportunity to take all it can get
>> for as little in return as possible.
>>
>> No wonder New Brunswickers leave -- the next bill we will have to pick
>> up when the industry has made its profit will take the form of longer
>> hospital waits (if that's imaginable), higher prescriptions costs
>> (good luck if you get a terminal illness in this province), an
>> increasingly directionless education system, and the list goes
>> on.Rating43Agree with comment (44 people agree)Disagree with comment
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>> Self-employedstandard2012/10/
>> at 9:08 AM ETIn actual fact it has to be released. The Minister has no
>> authority to vary or override findings by the medical officer. She is
>> bound also by her hypocratic oath.Rating42Agree with comment (45
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>> joemajomstandard2012/10/03
>> at 10:12 AM ETAlward's Conservatives have much in common with Graham's
>> Liberals when it comes to secret deals behind closed doors.
>> Than they have the nerve to ask for our votes at
>> elections?Rating41Agree with comment (42 people agree)Disagree with
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>> Gullysstandard2012/10/03
>> at 9:38 AM ETThe science is underway her report is probably
>> cautionary,...Public Health in Colorado has already gone public about
>> public health issues tsuch as respuratory problems among people living
>> near fracking sites. It will take years for the science to be
>> concrete, meanwhile the drilling continues. I would urge Chief Public
>> Health officer to talk publicly about where th science is on
>> fracking.Rating41Agree with comment (42 people agree)Disagree with
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>> ACommentstandard2012/10/03
>> at 11:11 AM ETThe taxpayer paid for the report, let's see
>> it.Rating38Agree with comment (39 people agree)Disagree with comment
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>> MitchKylestandard2012/10/03
>> at 10:19 AM ETTime for an access to information request. This report
>> is by a public office and national security is not at risk so there's
>> no reason it wouldn't work.Rating38Agree with comment (38 people
>> agree)Disagree with comment (0 people disagree)Hide 1
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>> Self-employedstandard2012/10/
>> at 11:28 AM ETI`m working on that.Rating4Agree with comment (5 people
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>> SongOfSong47standard2012/10/03
>> at 11:23 AM ETThere is no valid reason to keep a public document on an
>> issue potentially affecting the health of many New Brunswickers
>> secret.
>>
>> If the Alward government does not release this document, then it will,
>> in my estimation, have lost all moral authority to govern this
>> province.
>>
>> When you consider that this comment is coming from someone that many
>> people have identified as a social conservative and that this is a
>> Conservative government, I think you can appreciate just how bad a
>> decision it would be in terms of popular support for the Alward
>> government to refuse to divulge this report.Rating36Agree with comment
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>> ChantalLeBouthistandard2012/
>> at 11:10 AM ETPolitic in NB Suck big time
>>
>> is really pathetic
>>
>> NB deserve so much betterRating32Agree with comment (32 people
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>> KelDjabLaCrossestandard2012/
>> at 11:18 AM ETThe government that campaigned on transparency is
>> turning out to be the most opaque of all times!
>>
>> Des promesses de putains, encore!Rating32Agree with comment (35 people
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>> ACommentstandard2012/10/03
>> at 12:05 PM ETThis comment and related replies have been removed by
>> the moderator.Rating1Agree with comment (3 thumbs up)Disagree with
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>> KelDjabLaCrossestandard2012/
>> at 2:54 PM ETDon't you find that you're too old for that?Rating1Agree
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>> ChantalLeBouthistandard2012/
>> at 11:13 AM ETI think all NB peoples should all request information on
>> everything this Gov. is doing
>>
>> Let show themes who they are working forRating31Agree with comment (33
>> people agree)Disagree with comment (2 people disagree)PolicyReport
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>> mcshanestandard2012/10/03
>> at 10:57 AM ETThe mayor from a town called Dish in Texas spoke across
>> NB about what happened to his town and the health effects...
>>
>> Those issues led Tillman to move his family from the town several
>> months ago. He said his former town has odour and air quality problems
>> and he was worried about his family's health.
>>
>> There are 11 compressor stations and more than 20 pipelines in less
>> than five square kilometres in Dish.
>>
>> Tillman told the Huffington Post earlier this year that his sons began
>> to have multiple nose bleeds at about the same time as the strong
>> odour would waft from the natural gas facilities.
>>
>> According to the Associated Press, Tillman's sons aren't the only ones
>> to complain about nose bleeds. Dish residents, of which there are only
>> 200, have complained of nosebleeds, pain, dizziness, respiratory
>> problems and poor circulation and other problems since 2005, when the
>> first compressor station was built in Dish.
>>
>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/
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>> Rembrentstandard2012/10/03
>> at 11:43 AM ETLOL.... lies at full view on the PC Website.
>>
>> More Open and Transparent Government.
>>
>> There have been far too many examples of questionable deal-making
>> behind closed doors over the past four years: losing taxpayer money on
>> a golf course, buying a new luxury airplane, and putting a well-known
>> paid lobbyist in charge of the government's agenda. All are examples
>> that make New Brunswickers ask the question, whose interests are being
>> served
>>
>> - behind closed doors- Check
>> - luxury airplane- Check
>> - well-known lobbyist Irving- Check
>>
>> The funny part....All are examples that make New Brunswickers ask the
>> question, whose interests are being served.
>> Yes, and we're still asking questions , with a non transparent PC
>> government.Rating29Agree with comment (30 people agree)Disagree with
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>> Neil Gregorystandard2012/10/03
>> at 11:36 AM ETOnce again we have evidence that the Conservatives
>> believe that they have a god-given right to withhold information from
>> the people or to lie to the people whenever it suits their political
>> agenda.Rating29Agree with comment (33 people agree)Disagree with
>> comment (4 people disagree)Hide 1 replyPolicyReport abuse (0)
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>> HopeCaperstandard2012/10/03
>> at 8:04 PM ETThe only problem I have with your statement is that you
>> name the conservatives as having a God -given right. I think more
>> accurately one could say government in general unless you think Shawn
>> ran a transparent, responsive government. In that case you confuse the
>> real issue and submit your own bias. I have lived in NB all of my 61
>> years and I give McKenna and Lord a lot of credit but really just the
>> best of a bad bunch. If you think we deserve better then please
>> consider getting involved in politics and make a real difference. In
>> fact we have to as a population take charge and take our province back
>> from big business and their puppets.Rating1Agree with comment (1
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>> AaronBroadstandard2012/10/03
>> at 10:15 AM ETShale gas costs more energy to extract then it produces,
>> and has all sorts of permanent environmental impacts that eventually
>> destroy other economic inputs. Its a scam shell game to launder money
>> from public coffers into politcally connected winning players.
>>
>> How many of the original shale gas wells are still in operation? How
>> many of the original shale gas private investors are still pouring
>> money into it? Zero and zero.
>>
>> Our green hills, and clean water table, can never be sacrificed for
>> 2-3 years worth of natural gas per well.Rating29Agree with comment (35
>> people agree)Disagree with comment (6 people disagree)PolicyReport
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>> dadio13standard2012/10/03
>> at 11:29 AM ETI think all our homes just decreased in
>> value.Rating25Agree with comment (28 people agree)Disagree with
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>> buck-bugstandard2012/10/03
>> at 1:59 PM ETThey are dropping in value in rural NB without
>> industry....check NG developed areas and see how much they have
>> increasedRating-6Agree with comment (2 people agree)Disagree with
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>> AltonTompsonstandard2012/10/03
>> at 12:07 PM ETuh, they didn't even bother to give a reason why this
>> report should be kept secret.....
>>
>> This government is a failure.Rating24Agree with comment (26 people
>> agree)Disagree with comment (2 people disagree)PolicyReport abuse (0)
>> dealer66standard2012/10/03
>> at 12:19 PM ETThe government didn't like what's in the report.
>>
>> Option 1 Bury it hoping people will forget
>> Option 2 Take pieces that promote Shale and spin it, exclude the rest.
>> Option 3 Play the blame game
>> Option 4 all of the above
>>
>> Frankly Alward gave the report to industry so that they can build a
>> pausible defense.
>> The government is only there for those who have $$$$.Rating23Agree
>> with comment (28 people agree)Disagree with comment (5 people
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>>
>> buck-bugstandard2012/10/03
>> at 6:58 PM ETtypical anti speculation void of factsRating-2Agree with
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>> neeniestewartstandard2012/10/
>> at 2:38 PM ETAnd just whose money paid for this study?
>> Taxpayers........Who gets no answers? Taxpayers! There is something
>> definitely wrong when a government starts working in secrecy and
>> taxpayers are footing the bill.Obviously the government has become so
>> egotistical that they have forgotten just who they work for,supposedly
>> us, the taxpayers of New Brunswick.Rating23Agree with comment (24
>> people agree)Disagree with comment (1 people disagree)PolicyReport
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>> ACommentstandard2012/10/03
>> at 12:14 PM ETNew Brunswick needs simple clear laws on how to easily
>> impeach a government that's gone rogue like Alward's Conservatives
>> have. We should be able to easily kick governments to the curb that
>> have secret commissions or secret reportsRating19Agree with comment
>> (30 people agree)Disagree with comment (11 people
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>> willbitethehandstandard2012/
>> at 2:33 PM ETMore government knows best b.s. Anyone interested in
>> another difficult nut to crack?Try to find out from an exploration
>> company what the chemical mixture injected into the ground is made up
>> of.So safe for water no one wants to talk about that
>> either.Sketchy!Rating18Agree with comment (20 people agree)Disagree
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>> w8n4itstandard2012/10/03
>> at 4:11 PM ETCan't trust Conservatives anymore at all!Rating12Agree
>> with comment (13 people agree)Disagree with comment (1 people
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>> daiseydoostandard2012/10/03
>> at 3:40 PM ETIn about a year and a half, these people will be making
>> promises, shaking hands, kissing babies and going door-to-door asking
>> for votes. Imagine that scenario! The last bunch will be doing the
>> same.Rating12Agree with comment (13 people agree)Disagree with comment
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>> 2Right4Ustandard2012/10/03
>> at 3:40 PM ETI was just wondering if they are trying to pull a
>> MacKenna (slight of hand) - get something they know is controversal
>> before the public eye causing lots of activity by the public and
>> press, slip something as or more important through under the radar,
>> then backtrack on the controversal item so they have "listened to the
>> public"
>>
>> So, what are they trying to slip under the radar?Rating10Agree with
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>> Harper outstandard2012/10/03
>> at 5:13 PM ETThis has to stop.Rating6Agree with comment (8 people
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>> HopeCaperstandard2012/10/03
>> at 7:38 PM ETI can see why Alward wouldn't want to share the report
>> results because they paid for it not us. We live here on government
>> land paying rent to our lord and masters until they tell us we are no
>> longer needed. Don't believe it? Don't pay your property taxes and see
>> how long you stay in "possession". We used to pay taxes to pay for
>> services. If this is government's idea of service, I want my money
>> back. Over and over again we see examples of our system of government
>> not working for the people and yet we keep complaining about
>> government's poor performance to the very same people that aren't
>> doing a good job.Rating4Agree with comment (4 people agree)Disagree
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>> Roy Kirkstandard2012/10/03
>> at 6:15 PM ET"But officials say it's too early to commit to releasing
>> Cleary's recommendations publicly."
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>>
>> The problem here is that it looks like the decision to release is
>> going to be conditional, based on the content. And that there will be
>> pressure on the author to revise and edit the document so that appeals
>> more to the decision-makers, who've already decided and thus see no
>> upside to being better informed.
>>
>> I have no doubt that horizontal fracking *can* be done safely if the
>> geology is suitable. What I need is confidence that it will be done
>> safely. Handling matters in this way doesn't make me more confident;
>> it makes me less so. This should have been all worked out and settled
>> long ago, before the study was under way and the conclusions could
>> possibly motivate a decision to release or withhold.
>>
>> An 'own goal' of the first order,
>>
>> In my opinion.Rating3Agree with comment (3 people agree)Disagree with
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>> ACommentstandard2012/10/05
>> at 3:02 PM ETThree big secrets this week
>>
>> 1. Language Committee
>> 2. University Salaries
>> 3. Health Report on Shale Gas
>>
>> How can Alward even pretend to be working for the people of
>> NB?Rating1Agree with comment (1 people agree)Disagree with comment (0
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