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Immigrants left in limbo as permit processing takes months
· CBC News· Posted: Oct 30, 2020 7:00 AM AT
Rayanne Ribas and husband Amauri Ribas lost medicare coverage while waiting months to have a work permit renewed. (submitted)
It was a situation Rayanne Ribas didn't expect to be in after immigrating to Canada. But in July, after months of living in a working-permit limbo, her husband, Amauri, fell ill and she found she didn't have many places to turn.
"I knew the surgery would be really expensive. But on the other hand, that was scary because we came to this country to have a better life and I was scared to lose my husband during this process."
Amauri needed emergency surgery to deal with a gallbladder infection. But because of a months-long wait for a work permit to be renewed, his medicare had expired, and if they went to the hospital, the Ribas would be faced with a big bill.
"You are not able to have a valid number and Medicare coverage. So what's the point? We're going to be here working, paying taxes, trying to live normally. And but if we got sick, we're not able to have any any help?... We are human beings. We might need some," Rayanne said.
The Ribas came to Moncton from Brazil in October 2019 under the Atlantic Immigration Pilot. In January, they had to apply for an extension of their work permit because Amauri's passport was due to expire. Rayanne got her extension in April. Amauri didn't. And when he had to have surgery in July, they were faced with a $12,000 hospital bill.
The Ribas are not alone.
Many immigrants in New Brunswick say their situations are being complicated by long wait times for the renewal of their work permits.
On its website, Immigration, Refugee and Citizenship Canada says right now the wait is approximately 158 days - and is due to Covid impacts. Many have been waiting several months.
In some cases, those delays mean jobs, medicare coverage, and access to other services are in jeopardy.
When a work permit expires, people fall under what's called "implied status". They are technically still able to work, but with an expired social insurance number it complicates things, including medicare.
Alex LeBlanc, executive director of the New Brunswick Multicultural Council, says the province should be aiming to recruit one per cent of its population, or about 7,500 immigrants every year. (New Brunswick Multicultural Council)
"The challenge we're facing in New Brunswick is that our government systems and services are not equipped or familiar with implied status," said the executive director of the New Brunswick Multicultural Council, Alex Leblanc, "So services like medicare, our education system, employers, they're just not familiar with implied status and don't have mechanisms to recognize it."
The New Brunswick Multicultural Council estimates that there could be between 3,500 and 4,000 people living under implied status in the province.
"The problems have become really, very acute for certain people who don't have permanent status in Canada. And it's mostly invisible," said Janet Dench, executive director of the Canadian Council for Refugees.
"It's something that is going on below the surface and people probably don't realize that your neighbour or the person that you're crossing on the street is living in this kind of bizarre and painful semi-existence where their right here is not fully clear."
The Ribas' had to reapply several times for Amauri's renewed permit. It took eight months.
The Provincial Government said Thursday that it will step in and fill the gap.
"We're trying to figure out ways right now that we can actually reach those individuals (affected)," said Arlene Dunn, minister responsible for immigration." So if there's anybody that's been affected by this, we want to hear about it. We want to have some discussion with them. We want to make sure that we're aware of the situation. But they have our assurance that they won't have to worry in terms of paying for that (hospital bill). They will be covered."
Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada responded late Thursday night to requests for an interview, sending a statement that said it recognizes the difficult position many people are in.
The department said it has taken some steps, including "extending the time a temporary resident has to restore their status after it expires and allowing them to work while their application is finalized."
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Commenting is now closed for this story.David Amos
Methinks whereas I am a Canadian Citizen born and raised who ran for public office 7 times thus far and even sued the Queen while Higgy et al keeps a "Stay" on my right to have Medicare card Alex LeBlanc should mention my name to somebody ASAP N'esy Pas?
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Methinks whereas I am a Canadian Citizen born and raised who ran for public office 7 times thus far and even sued the Queen while Higgy et al keeps a "Stay" on my right to have Medicare card Alex LeBlanc should mention my name to somebody ASAP N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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Methinks whereas I am very tired of her constant bs about me perhaps Higgy et al should explain to their spin doctor little Lou real slow my status as an American resident N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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Methinks whereas I am a Canadian Citizen born and raised who ran for public office 7 times thus far and even sued the Queen while Higgy et al keeps a "Stay" on my right to have Medicare card Alex LeBlanc should mention my name to somebody ASAP N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
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Reply to @David Amos: You claimed you were a dual citizen . Did trump revoke your Obamacare ?
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell: Everybody knows I am no such thing
Lauren Fisher
@Jack Rodnies-Or how about you leave and make room for them who are clearly better people.
Jack Rodnies
Reply to @Lauren Fisher: how about no i was born here and have no doctor or heathcare mysrlf
David Amos
Reply to @Jack Rodnies: At least you have a medicare card
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David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks everybody in CBC knows that Tammy Scott-Wallace the minister
responsible for women's equality should also review the emails she
requested of me 5 years before she was elected Nesy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.
#cdnpoli #nbpoli
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
Care workers suffer pay gap of up to $10 an hour, says coalition
New Brunswick Coalition for Pay Equity says workers in women dominated
industry paid less than they should be
CBC News · Posted: Oct 29, 2020 2:43 PM AT
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David Amos
"In a statement to CBC News Tammy Scott-Wallace, the minister
responsible for women's equality, said she appreciates the work that
has gone into the report and will review it."
Methinks Scott-Wallace should also review the emails she requested of
me 5 years before she was elected Nesy Pas?
David Amos
If anyone bothered to follow the crumbs offered within this article a
course Political Science is not required to understand that everything
political is always about the money and that governments always use
our taxpayer funds to court support for one political party or the
other for their benefit not ours. Methinks many ladies would agree
that making things a gender issue is just plain dumb N'esy Pas?
Group gets $335,000 federal grant to study pay for caregivers
Ottawa gives New Brunswick Coalition for Pay Equality money to study
pay inequity and educate workers
Tori Weldon · CBC News · Posted: Nov 13, 2018 5:52 PM AT
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
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David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks whereas I am very tired of her constant bullshit about me
perhaps Higgy et al should explain real slow my status as an American
resident to Lou their evil and very mindless spin doctor N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.
#cdnpoli #nbpoli
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
Immigrants left in limbo as permit processing takes months
Lauren Bird · CBC News · Posted: Oct 30, 2020 7:00 AM AT
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David Amos
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Methinks whereas I am very tired of her constant bs about me perhaps
Higgy et al should explain to their spin doctor little Lou real slow
my status as an American resident N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Content disabled
Methinks whereas I am a Canadian Citizen born and raised who ran for
public office 7 times thus far and even sued the Queen while Higgy et
al keeps a "Stay" on my right to have Medicare card Alex LeBlanc
should mention my name to somebody ASAP N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
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Reply to @David Amos: You claimed you were a dual citizen . Did trump
revoke your Obamacare ?
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell: Everybody knows I am no such thing
Lauren Fisher
@Jack Rodnies-Or how about you leave and make room for them who are
clearly better people.
Jack Rodnies
Reply to @Lauren Fisher: how about no i was born here and have no
doctor or heathcare mysrlf
David Amos
Reply to @Jack Rodnies: At least you have a medicare card
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Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks there would be very different twist on things today if a few
members of Higgy's Police State had won some seats in up in the
Campbellton area N'esy Pas?
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N.B. COVID-19 roundup: 4 new cases, outbreak at special care home in Balmoral
New isolation rules for travelling workers
CBC News · Posted: Oct 29, 2020 1:15 PM AT
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PHIL INNIS
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The only isolation should be for people who are worried about getting
it. 99% survival rate
BuT WhAt aBoUt YoUr GrAnDpArEnts ?.............they had a good run.
Stay inside or die from fear
Nicholas Rioux
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Reply to @PHIL INNIS: Did you know that 20% of seniors live in
households containing non seniors? And that 25% of households have
someone with a disability? Granted not all disabilities will mean
someone at risk but then none of this includes people with chronic
conditions that ARE at risk but don't count as disabled.
So that's very likely half or more households containing elderly and
other at risk people with those of little risk.
Can you tell us how you would isolate all those folk who are at risk
but sharing the same homes as the others?
David Amos
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Reply to @PHIL INNIS: I would leave it up for the old folks such I to
decide whether they wish to live in fear or not
PHIL INNIS
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Reply to @Nicholas Rioux: I wouldn't isolate them at all and have a
family discussion about the pitfalls of life. Instead of THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE being out of work and having children starve, we use logic and
let nature run its course. Its crass I know but its more than fair.
PHIL INNIS
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Reply to @David Amos: exactly
Les Cooper
So is this proof that masks are not working?
I dont know why province doesnt set up Covid testing at the airports .
Would save a lot of covid issues. Make it mandatory to leave airport
when arriving
David Amos
Reply to @Les Cooper: Methinks a virus doesn't follow Higgy's orders
the passenger may leave as ordered however the pesky little thing may
stay if it wishes N'esy Pas?
Bill Henry
Reply to @Les Cooper: they aren’t sick when they are flying in. Just
have the virus in the easy bake oven. That is why the spread is
happening. It gets shedding days later, and then they say, oh, I guess
I brought the virus back with me from my travels.
Mary Smith
Reply to @Bill Henry: That's why we need multiple tests - along with
isolation - so that cases can be identified asap so contact tracing
can jump ahead and we can ensure the virus is contained.
People are traveling among the Atlantic Bubble on planes with people
who are going to quarantine once they land. This is a big risk. If you
fly, it should be mandatory for testing to occur multiple times to
catch cases asap. Maybe this would be a good use for the rapid
testing, for those who are traveling.
Testing should not release you from work-isolating or from quarantine
too early - because that isn't the most important thing - it should be
used to identify cases sooner so contact tracing can happen in a
timely manner to get ahead of the virus to break the chains. The
sooner this can happen, the smaller the cluster, the less likely it
will spread via community transmission. If you can link all cases to
travel, we all are better off. Once you can't track the source of
infection, it does not bode well and you cannot predict where the
virus is heading and you're left fighting blind, with the only option
to assume the entire community has it - because they could - and we
all have to be still. It's better to be proactive, than reactive.
If you have multiple tests within x amount of days, it could be shown
that most cases are identifiable within 10 days, rather than the full
14 days it could take for symptoms to show. It's hard to say. This
article is really good and explains how doing anything for these
exemptions would be infinitely better than what we were doing. There's
still risk there, but it's much, much better than what we were doing,
which was simply not enough.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
Les Cooper
Reply to @Bill Henry: so we get tested right away anyway
Brian Robertson
Campbelltown, Campbelltown. Why is it always around Campbelltown?
Oh yes.
That's where they opened the bubble to a part of Quebec; an area over
which we had NO control.
Who thought that was a good idea?
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Brian Robertson: It's always around Campbellton because
that''s the zone that's had the most cases and the most death -
despite not having anywhere near as many residents as some other
zones. Now as to why that would be, that's still an open question. The
bubble with Avignon is certainly one of the possibilities. But the
bubble also included Zone 4 (Edmundston) and Temiscouata. So why
didn't the bubble cause a similar rise in cases in Zone 4?
Luke Caissy
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Why zone 5 and not zone 4? The best theory
is because Campbellton sits 40 minutes away from Carleton QC. Carleton
is the Gateway to the Gaspe and is a favorite vacation spot for Quebec
City, Montreal and the Eastern Townships. With travel restrictions
this summer and fall, Carleton was overflowing with Quebec Tourists.
Carleton is also frequented by NB residents and was open for day
passes all summer. When this is all over you should really visit the
area. Great beaches with friendly bilingual service.
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Brian Robertson: C-a-m-p-b-e-l-l-T-O-N.
Bob Smith
Reply to @Luke Caissy: It's also an area where government rules and
regulations are given lip service, at best, by many residents.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Luke Caissy: That makes more sense than any other theory
I've heard to date. Any skiing tourism, or can we expect a drop in
tourists come the winter?
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Luke Caissy: if one likes rocky beaches vs the nice sand
beaches of southern NB or PE. But there is 'nude' bathing at Carleton
not far from Bleu Heron restaurant.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Bob Smith: Is that true of the Campbellton area more so than
the Edmundston area?
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Wayne Wright: Well, that would certainly be a draw for some!
David Amos
Reply to @Wayne Wright: Cry me a river The folks up in Campbellton
have done nothing wrong at all. Methinks there would be very different
twist on things today if a few members of Higgy's Police State had won
some seats in the region recently N'esy Pas?
Bob Smith
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Campbellton area. Terms like "squatters",
"bootleggers" and other terms are still heard in areas like
Robinsonville and such.
Luke Caissy
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Snowmobiling is huge on the Gaspe, but the
main draw for Carleton is the water.
SarahRose Werner
"they will be able to access: necessities of life and supporting
services, health care, goods and services required for work, banking
and financial services, transportation, child care, animal care, and
funeral or visitation services for members of their immediate family."
- Maybe if the government had listed what people *can't* access during
modified self-isolation, it might be a shorter list?
Emery Hyslop-Margison
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: it’s a global pandemic. New Brunswick has
done remarkably well. Hang in there girl a few more months.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Emery Hyslop-Margison: Agreed that NB has done remarkably
well. Let's keep doing well! :-) I think it's going to be more than a
*few* more months, however. I'd love to be wrong.
Emery Hyslop-Margison
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: You will be wrong - we’re at peak and
numbers will start to decline as the death rate has already done so.
You’re okay Sarah!
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Emery Hyslop-Margison: We might be at the peak of the second
wave. But until we have vaccines and/or treatments that are safe,
effective and widely available, there's nothing to stop us from having
successive waves. Pragmatism has always stood me in good stead. :-)
David Amos
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Yea Right
Bruce Sanders
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Who would ever take a vaccine for a virus
which is clearly not that contagious, less than 0.6% across Canada
have tested positive, nor deadly; = 3.5% of all deaths in 2019. For
this, we destroy peoples lives for generations to come.
Donald Gallant
Perhaps not a good idea to hire across zones might be a thought.
Les Cooper
Reply to @Donald Gallant: there are doctors at the Fredericton
Hospital that commute back and forth from Montreal etc. Will they be
quarantined??
David Amos
Reply to @Les Cooper: Good question
Fred Dee
Reply to @Les Cooper: who??
Les Cooper
Reply to @Fred Dee: several. No names.
They are bilingual and get paid ton to rent in Freddy. 3 in my neighborhood.
Bill Henry
What does it mean when you have a blue circle by your post.
PHIL INNIS
Reply to @Bill Henry: bill gates is going to give you covid
David Amos
Reply to @PHIL INNIS: Oh My My
Dave Cudmore
Reply to @Bill Henry:
You're in danger of becoming a conservative.
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Dave Cudmore: ROTFL
Roy Kirk
Do the new rules apply to people travelling on charter/private
aircraft. If so, how are they keeping track?
David Amos
Reply to @Roy Kirk Go figure
Bill Henry
Geez Lou, you’re posts were the only sensible ones on here. Now you
sunk down to the rest of us
David Amos
Reply to @Bill Henry: Methinks folks must make allowances for
conservative spin doctors not playing with a full deck However they
really should mind their mouth and quit putting their foot in it after
stepping in their own BS or they may wind up awful ill and not from a
pesky virus N'esy Pas?
Marie Buckley
Time to get our " Guy Lafleurs " up North under control.o
David Amos
Reply to @Marie Buckley: ???
Bill Henry
Will be like the us. People will start taking government to court to
prove they cannot restrict Canadians to their houses.
David Amos
Reply to @Bill Henry: Yup
Bob Smith
Reply to @Bill Henry: A bit of an exaggeration, isn't it?
Bill Henry
Reply to @Bob Smith: I think Higgs is reaching outside his powers. May
take a judge to tell him
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Bill Henry: Every province across the country is restricting
people to their houses under specific circumstances and has been doing
so since March. It's not just Higgs.
Bruce Sanders
Reply to @Bill Henry: Who is going to take the time to do this? Be
dragged through the mud, chastized for challenging the government? I'd
have to stay in NB for longer than I care at this time, so it's not
me. I'd rather go home, get stuff sorted out and then leave a few days
later. forced confinement for just a few days every 4 months or so.
Bruce Sanders
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: So that makes it ok then, sure.
Al Clark
Reply to @Bill Henry: No doubt your legal training at DRA Gandalf's
law school mentioned emergency powers???
Bill Henry
Terry Tibbs or Amos, do these changes help your cause?
David Amos
Reply to @Bill Henry: What cause?
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Bill Henry:
What changes?
Nothing specific has been said and we both know what a politician's
promise is worth?
Bill Henry
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: ok, I’m reading the same. Nothing has changed.
What is a modified self isolation.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Bill Henry:
Exactly what is supposed to exist, but doesn't. It's a shell and pea game.
Randy McNally
Reply to @Bill Henry: I'm still trying to figure out what a modified bubble is
Bill Henry
So no change then. What a joke.
David Amos
Reply to @Bill Henry: Figured it out have ya?
Nick Papagorgio
It's absurd to have stricter isolation rules for people traveling
outside the bubble for work. Does the government not care about the
economy and mental health? These restrictions should only come into
effect when the hospitals are at capacity. People are losing their
jobs and businesses because of the restrictions put forth by the
government. A perfect example is WestJet cancelling all routes in and
out of NB - the bubble is to blame. That's only some of the jobs that
were lost, I can't imagine how many more there are.
Bill Henry
Reply to @Nick Papagorgio: there is absolutely no change
David Amos
Reply to @Bill Henry: Methinks plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose
N'esy Pas?
Les Cooper
Reply to @Nick Papagorgio: Air Canada will be next. Then essential
workers will be unemployed and collecting EI cheques from NB. Lol
Mary Smith
Reply to @Nick Papagorgio: NS and PEI have similar policies in place
for weeks or months now. The idea is that the exemptions to the
quarantines are the weak links. If the virus is not here in the
Atlantic Bubble then that means that not all people coming in will
bring it in, but that it MUST be brought in from outside the Atlantic
Bubble.
It is better to be proactive in a pandemic than reactive. It is better
for work, the economy, hospitals, mental health, etc if we focus on
the weak links ..
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Nick Papagorgio: "...come into affect when hospitals are at
capacity..." A large reason for the the plan is to keep the system by
waiting until at capacity when it would be hell.
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Nick Papagorgio: So Nick, where do you travel for work?
Bruce Sanders
Reply to @Nick Papagorgio: Nope, they do not care about people, and
they do not understand the science either. But, the majority of the
voters wanted this, so there you are. I wonder how many of these
workers voted for Higgs?
Stephan Sommers
The two of them are going to restrict NB into poverty. But hey it’s in
the name of health right.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Stephan Sommers:
How so?
Lou Bell
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Reply to @Stephan Sommers: Oh, just let in the diseased is the best
policy ? Let's take a vote on who's got / made the best decisions ,
you , or the 2 you refer to ! You lose 100 times outta 100
Stephan Sommers
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Where is westjet or via rail or tourism at
these days? What else is NB’ers willing to give up in the name of
health. By the time this is over the east coast will be in a real bad
spot. I hope I’m wrong because I love living here.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: You don't know?
Stephan Sommers
Reply to @Lou Bell: we could just test people two day prior and again
when they have been here for 24 h then all is well. Look at Bermuda,
they do that with all foreign workers and tourist. Nice try.
Lou Bell
Reply to @Stephan Sommers: Better than letting the positive tested in
. But you can get out if you'd prefer , nothings holding you from
leaving, other than if other places let you in . But go ahead , we
sure won't hold you back !
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Stephan Sommers:
Westjet and Via are just pandering for government money.
Tourism is, for the most part, poorly paid, benefit free, seasonal
work, no great loss. Hopefully those folks find real jobs and the
operators go under.
Clearly you didn't get the memo? Immigrants are going to save us.
Stephan Sommers
Reply to @Lou Bell: So you got nothing right on.
Stephan Sommers
Reply to @Lou Bell: I think my NB employees would prefer I keep
business here. That being said I also have a rental in ON and FL.
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Stephan Sommers: VIA Rail hasn't served anywhere east of
Quebec City are from beginning & won't for immediate future. For that
VIA I don't know why they put on service from C'ton to Halifax since
the bubble began.
Bruce Sanders
Reply to @Stephan Sommers: It's not even in the name of health now.
Jake Quinlan
"Because the vast majority of the province's cases originate outside
the Atlantic bubble"
No, in the Atlantic provinces, they all do, ultimately. We (the 4
provinces) "got to zero" multiple times. We never had "embers of
virus" burning all summer long like other provinces. Now (last several
weeks) of course, we can say not all cases originate from outside
bubble - we have community spread in places.
Lou Bell
Reply to @Jake Quinlan: If you want to get technical , ALL cases in
the world , except for the country of origin of the 1st cases are
travel related cases ! Does that make you feel better ?
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks you must feel better now that you got
that off you chest N'esy Pas?
Jake Quinlan
Reply to @Lou Bell: Don't feel better (or worse) as I already had
figured out that all cases outside China are "travel related".
Ian Scott
Took a while but finally learned that having contract workers come and
go from hots zones not a good idea. Public has been saying it for 2
weeks. Yes we realize that they are needed , maybe.But not when going
into publics spaces with close contact quarters or LTC's. You could
see it coming. Now 6 dead and positives continue. Wonder about all the
airline folks that came in with Freddy and Moncton dudes.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Ian Scott:
When you make your living telling tall tales you tend to discount
everything anyone else says.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Oh So True
Nicholas Rioux
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Telling tales? You're the one that said they
had stopped making references to cases being travel related when all
that happened was having all that mass testing to deal with and the
next day's report they used travel related again.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Nicholas Rioux:
It isn't me "playing hard and fast" with the truth in this province.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Nor I
Nicholas Rioux
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: But you said something that was disproven the
very next day. Face it, you thought "conspiracy" when it was just a
delay.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Nicholas Rioux:
There are several active conspiracies around covid 19, you should
start paying attention, they can't even keep their stories straight
from day to day.
Lou Bell
Reply to @Ian Scott: Who brought in the cases and who did they infect
? Most of us don't know , but it appears you know it all ! Please
entice us with all you know , oh great one .
Lou Bell
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: You should know if anyone here would . But we
've come to recognize your frailties
Lou Bell
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Reply to @Terry Tibbs: There's one big conspiracy , and it's yours
Fred Sanford
It`ll be interesting to see how they make the "modified" isolation
work. NB has a lot of people that work in other provinces and return
home for 1 week on a 3 or 4 week rotation. Even if they restrict
themselves to their home (unlikely), they can still theoretically pass
any infection along to their family members who are not isolating.
Lots of holes here.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Fred Sanford:
Of course, they are the same holes that have been there all along,
with the increase in cases elsewhere it is only natural that more is
being brought home for supper. They attempted to plug these holes by
making us all wear masks, which of course, was never going to fix
anything.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I concur
Les Cooper
Reply to @Fred Sanford: I plan to do lots of overtime to avoid flying
to NB. If the out of province workers not flying to NB which are the
ones helping keep airports and flights going in NB then I can see
flights getting canceled.
Toby Tolly
jacques got the last question in on this video conference
totally unrelated but stirring the language issue
David Amos
Reply to @Toby Tolly: Welcome back to the circus
Lou Bell
Reply to @Toby Tolly: Jacques took the election loss really hard !
Like most Liberals , they've never recovered . They're still wired in
the " what about me " mode !
Joseph Carrier
Balmoral is 40 km from Campbellton BTW...
Dave Shimla
Reply to @Joseph Carrier: 24 kms according to googly earth
David Amos
Reply to @Dave Shimla: Survey says?
Dave Shimla
Reply to @David Amos: 27 if you take the long way lol
Ian Scott
Tough place to be. Dr. Russel handles things well. Her French
capabilities are also extraordinary. A premier in making.?
Ian Scott
Reply to @Ian Scott: But so much for simultaneous translation ,so half
of conference useless for most given questions.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Ian Scott: Not sure she can or would want to deal with all
the game-playing that goes on in politics.
James Edward
Reply to @Ian Scott: I hope not.
Toby Tolly
Reply to @Ian Scott: the simultaneous translation is usually horrible
anyway as they miss the start of every language switch.
Michel Forgeron
Reply to @Ian Scott: Her French is quite good really, but I would not
call it extraordinary - she has to grasp for words sometimes.
certainly her effort is extraordinary.
Justin Gunther
Reply to @Toby Tolly: I really wish they'd release complete
transcripts in both languages in a simple plain text format so pains
like me can quickly search through it.
David Amos
Reply to @Michel Forgeron: Who cares?
James Edward
The Joose isn't worth the Squeeze
David Amos
Reply to @James Edward: C'est vrai
James Edward
the game is still going? hmmm I don't know anyone who's died or been
hospitalized...I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but it's not worth
shutting everything down for.
Renee Garry
Reply to @James Edward: well I'm not starving, neither is my familly.
Famine is a hoax
June Arnott
Reply to @James Edward: you are lucky then You think it’s a conspiracy?
June Arnott
Reply to @Renee Garry: good one, hope he gets it
James Edward
Reply to @Renee Garry: did i say famine? no. We are going thru a
global social and financial reset. It won't end well for most of us.
David Amos
Reply to @James Edward: True
Justin Gunther
Reply to @June Arnott: Hope he gets what exactly?
Fred Brewer
Reply to @June Arnott: "good one, hope he gets it"
Nope, he missed it completely.
James Edward
Reply to @June Arnott: good one, hope She gets it
Ian Scott
It would be nice to know if these outbreaks were related to work
travel. And if so how the policy is to be changed to prevent it
happening over and over. Then the rest of us could relax again instead
of wondering if the dude that flew in yesterday from TO is out
wandering about with covid (about to become active) with his kids and
out for Halloween.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Ian Scott: Agreed. We need fewer exemptions from the
self-isolation rule and better enforcement of that rule.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
For starts: how about 100% fewer exemptions?
Otherwise, all we have to look forward to is another episode of
Groundhog Day "a la Higgs".
Dale MacFarlane
Reply to @Ian Scott:
How many travellers from Quebec?
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Dale MacFarlane: Quebec isn't the source of all COVID cases.
Dale MacFarlane
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
Agreed but i have a relative in NB and he says there are quebec plates
everywhere....me, being in ontario we have spiked in cases.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Dale MacFarlane: It depends on what part of NB you're in.
I'm in southwestern NB and no, we don't have Quebec plates everywhere.
Up north, where people commute back and forth daily over the Quebec/NB
border to do essential work? Yes, there's almost certainly more Quebec
plates. That said, according the grapevine the recent outbreak in the
Moncton health zone (#1) was caused by someone visiting from Ontario
who failed to self-isolate as required. Also, we have two health zones
(#4 and #5) that border Quebec. Zone 4's had very few cases, Zone 5's
had more than any other zone. So it's not as simple as Quebec border =
lots of cases, because that's just not true. Some people would like it
to be that simple, but it's not.
Dave Shimla
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: southeastern NB/Dieppe is full of quebec
plates, and most are not rentals, unless rental companies started
pimping up their cars
Amajor Hall
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: It essentially doesn't matter, there are
NOT a lot of cases anyways no matter travel or otherwise...and they
are decreasing as we speak...15 new cases in the last week, but 65
recoveries in the same period...
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I am fond of Groundhog Days
Dan Lee
Reply to @David Amos:
Somehow it doesnt surprise me............
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks the Irving Clan would love to know
that during Groundhog Day Gale in 1976 my number man and I were
betting on which letter of the huge Irving sign across the road from
my bike shop was gonna come down next Most Maritimers in my neck of
the woods would agree that was quite a storm N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
This Groundhog day:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I know what you implied but thats Yankee
fiction what i said really happened in the Maritimes
Randy McNally
Reply to @David Amos:I recall that It warmed up to around 65 degrees F
in the afternoon, the sun was melting the snow in the fields, water
was running everywhere,. Then it blew in a rain on a warm south
westerly wind that quickly shifted to a brisk north wind as the rain
switched to snow. The wind continued to blow gusting over 70 mph
through the night, as Atlantic Canada and Northern New England plunged
into a deep freeze of minus 25 and change. By morning everything was
frozen solid and wind damage everywhere. I think it may ahve taken out
the pier at Old Orchard Beach in southern Maine.
Randy McNally
Reply to @David Amos: I remember it well.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
New Brunswick reports one new case of COVID-19
Potential public exposure at Moncton gym, people asked to self-monitor
CBC News · Posted: Oct 30, 2020 1:32 PM AT
46 Comments
David Amos
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Methinks we are all waiting with bated breath for Al Clark and his
buddies little Lou, Tiny Tim Harvey Baby, Johnny "Never Been Good"
Jacobs and of course the all knowing shill Mr Oliver to make an
appearance and begin offering their two bits worth about their hero
Higgy's circus today N'esy Pas Mr Tibbs???
Ben Haroldson
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Reply to @David Amos:(He said something twice but it was gone by the
time I rebooted my computer)
Ray Oliver
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Reply to @David Amos: cool nicknames. Did you put that together during
a group visit with the rest of your "friends" at the restigouche
hospital?
David Amos
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Reply to @Ray Oliver: Cool nicknames?? Yea right
Methinks turnabout is fair play hence you should enjoy a little Deja
Vu from earlier today N'esy Pas?
Al Clark
Reply to @Bill Henry: No doubt your legal training at DRA Gandalf's
law school mentioned emergency powers???
Harvey York
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Reply to @Ray Oliver: it's like a 6 year old unloved boy trapped in an
old man's body
Lou Bell
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Reply to @David Amos: Surprise ! Surprise ! Surprise !
Diana Austin
Those loudly protesting against Covid restrictions and touting instead
letting the virus run rampant to achieve herd immunity overall in
societies have often taken their lead from Sweden’s relaxed approach
to Covid and their guiding epidemiologist, Dr Anders Tegnell. Of
course, as others have pointed out, Sweden has had a much higher death
rate than its Scandinavian neighbours, and recent economic reviews
have shown their economy has not fared much better, either. But the
latest comments by Dr Anders Tegnell in a recent interview with Die
Zeit, a German newspaper (also repeated in the London Times), suggest
that even he has been learning on the job, so to speak. He now says
that the pandemic is approaching a “critical juncture” in Sweden after
the number of daily cases rose by 70 per cent in a week. He does still
defend aspects of his early approach, but to the surprise of many, he
is also now recommending some “mini-lockdowns” in specific areas. Even
more surprisingly, Tegnell has now also said that it would be both
futile and immoral for a state to deliberately pursue herd immunity:
“Throughout history there has up to now been no infectious disease
whose transmission was fully halted by herd immunity without a
vaccine.” So it seems that doctors everywhere are still learning how
much is still left to learn about how this new virus operates and how
societies might best respond
Emery Hyslop-Margison
Reply to @Diana Austin: yawn
Lou Bell
Reply to @Emery Hyslop-Margison: Very informative Diana ! Of course
for the ignorant naysayers , not mentioning any names , this is the
last thing they wanr to hear . True , informative information by
health professionals debunking all the BS we see spread by the
uninformed who get their information from the false narratives of the
conspiracy theorists off social media !!!!!!!!!
Emery Hyslop-Margison
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Reply to @Lou Bell: hard at it Lou? I guess you’re not dead yet?
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Surprise ! Surprise ! Surprise !
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks whereas I am very tired of her constant
bs about me perhaps Higgy et al should explain to their spin doctor
little Lou real slow my status as an American resident N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks I should remind the RCMP of this comment
of your pal's from yesterday N'esy Pas?
Al Clark
Reply to @David Amos: Well well well! Surprise surprise surprise! I
was convinced that your short list of broken record responses were
produced by pressing a function key. Colour me flabbergasted, like a
chinese mill owner finding a shredded panhead at the bottom of the
boat ;-)
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David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks everybody in CBC knows that Tammy Scott-Wallace the minister
responsible for women's equality should also review the emails she
requested of me 5 years before she was elected Nesy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.
#cdnpoli #nbpoli
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
Care workers suffer pay gap of up to $10 an hour, says coalition
New Brunswick Coalition for Pay Equity says workers in women dominated
industry paid less than they should be
CBC News · Posted: Oct 29, 2020 2:43 PM AT
23 Comments
Commenting is now closed for this story.
David Amos
"In a statement to CBC News Tammy Scott-Wallace, the minister
responsible for women's equality, said she appreciates the work that
has gone into the report and will review it."
Methinks Scott-Wallace should also review the emails she requested of
me 5 years before she was elected Nesy Pas?
David Amos
If anyone bothered to follow the crumbs offered within this article a
course Political Science is not required to understand that everything
political is always about the money and that governments always use
our taxpayer funds to court support for one political party or the
other for their benefit not ours. Methinks many ladies would agree
that making things a gender issue is just plain dumb N'esy Pas?
Group gets $335,000 federal grant to study pay for caregivers
Ottawa gives New Brunswick Coalition for Pay Equality money to study
pay inequity and educate workers
Tori Weldon · CBC News · Posted: Nov 13, 2018 5:52 PM AT
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
https://twitter.com/
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks whereas I am very tired of her constant bullshit about me
perhaps Higgy et al should explain real slow my status as an American
resident to Lou their evil and very mindless spin doctor N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.
#cdnpoli #nbpoli
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
Immigrants left in limbo as permit processing takes months
Lauren Bird · CBC News · Posted: Oct 30, 2020 7:00 AM AT
18 Comments
David Amos
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Methinks whereas I am very tired of her constant bs about me perhaps
Higgy et al should explain to their spin doctor little Lou real slow
my status as an American resident N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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Methinks whereas I am a Canadian Citizen born and raised who ran for
public office 7 times thus far and even sued the Queen while Higgy et
al keeps a "Stay" on my right to have Medicare card Alex LeBlanc
should mention my name to somebody ASAP N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
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Reply to @David Amos: You claimed you were a dual citizen . Did trump
revoke your Obamacare ?
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell: Everybody knows I am no such thing
Lauren Fisher
@Jack Rodnies-Or how about you leave and make room for them who are
clearly better people.
Jack Rodnies
Reply to @Lauren Fisher: how about no i was born here and have no
doctor or heathcare mysrlf
David Amos
Reply to @Jack Rodnies: At least you have a medicare card
https://twitter.com/
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks there would be very different twist on things today if a few
members of Higgy's Police State had won some seats in up in the
Campbellton area N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.
#cdnpoli #nbpoli
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
N.B. COVID-19 roundup: 4 new cases, outbreak at special care home in Balmoral
New isolation rules for travelling workers
CBC News · Posted: Oct 29, 2020 1:15 PM AT
203 Comments
Commenting is now closed for this story.
PHIL INNIS
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The only isolation should be for people who are worried about getting
it. 99% survival rate
BuT WhAt aBoUt YoUr GrAnDpArEnts ?.............they had a good run.
Stay inside or die from fear
Nicholas Rioux
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Reply to @PHIL INNIS: Did you know that 20% of seniors live in
households containing non seniors? And that 25% of households have
someone with a disability? Granted not all disabilities will mean
someone at risk but then none of this includes people with chronic
conditions that ARE at risk but don't count as disabled.
So that's very likely half or more households containing elderly and
other at risk people with those of little risk.
Can you tell us how you would isolate all those folk who are at risk
but sharing the same homes as the others?
David Amos
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Reply to @PHIL INNIS: I would leave it up for the old folks such I to
decide whether they wish to live in fear or not
PHIL INNIS
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Reply to @Nicholas Rioux: I wouldn't isolate them at all and have a
family discussion about the pitfalls of life. Instead of THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE being out of work and having children starve, we use logic and
let nature run its course. Its crass I know but its more than fair.
PHIL INNIS
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Reply to @David Amos: exactly
Les Cooper
So is this proof that masks are not working?
I dont know why province doesnt set up Covid testing at the airports .
Would save a lot of covid issues. Make it mandatory to leave airport
when arriving
David Amos
Reply to @Les Cooper: Methinks a virus doesn't follow Higgy's orders
the passenger may leave as ordered however the pesky little thing may
stay if it wishes N'esy Pas?
Bill Henry
Reply to @Les Cooper: they aren’t sick when they are flying in. Just
have the virus in the easy bake oven. That is why the spread is
happening. It gets shedding days later, and then they say, oh, I guess
I brought the virus back with me from my travels.
Mary Smith
Reply to @Bill Henry: That's why we need multiple tests - along with
isolation - so that cases can be identified asap so contact tracing
can jump ahead and we can ensure the virus is contained.
People are traveling among the Atlantic Bubble on planes with people
who are going to quarantine once they land. This is a big risk. If you
fly, it should be mandatory for testing to occur multiple times to
catch cases asap. Maybe this would be a good use for the rapid
testing, for those who are traveling.
Testing should not release you from work-isolating or from quarantine
too early - because that isn't the most important thing - it should be
used to identify cases sooner so contact tracing can happen in a
timely manner to get ahead of the virus to break the chains. The
sooner this can happen, the smaller the cluster, the less likely it
will spread via community transmission. If you can link all cases to
travel, we all are better off. Once you can't track the source of
infection, it does not bode well and you cannot predict where the
virus is heading and you're left fighting blind, with the only option
to assume the entire community has it - because they could - and we
all have to be still. It's better to be proactive, than reactive.
If you have multiple tests within x amount of days, it could be shown
that most cases are identifiable within 10 days, rather than the full
14 days it could take for symptoms to show. It's hard to say. This
article is really good and explains how doing anything for these
exemptions would be infinitely better than what we were doing. There's
still risk there, but it's much, much better than what we were doing,
which was simply not enough.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
Les Cooper
Reply to @Bill Henry: so we get tested right away anyway
Brian Robertson
Campbelltown, Campbelltown. Why is it always around Campbelltown?
Oh yes.
That's where they opened the bubble to a part of Quebec; an area over
which we had NO control.
Who thought that was a good idea?
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Brian Robertson: It's always around Campbellton because
that''s the zone that's had the most cases and the most death -
despite not having anywhere near as many residents as some other
zones. Now as to why that would be, that's still an open question. The
bubble with Avignon is certainly one of the possibilities. But the
bubble also included Zone 4 (Edmundston) and Temiscouata. So why
didn't the bubble cause a similar rise in cases in Zone 4?
Luke Caissy
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Why zone 5 and not zone 4? The best theory
is because Campbellton sits 40 minutes away from Carleton QC. Carleton
is the Gateway to the Gaspe and is a favorite vacation spot for Quebec
City, Montreal and the Eastern Townships. With travel restrictions
this summer and fall, Carleton was overflowing with Quebec Tourists.
Carleton is also frequented by NB residents and was open for day
passes all summer. When this is all over you should really visit the
area. Great beaches with friendly bilingual service.
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Brian Robertson: C-a-m-p-b-e-l-l-T-O-N.
Bob Smith
Reply to @Luke Caissy: It's also an area where government rules and
regulations are given lip service, at best, by many residents.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Luke Caissy: That makes more sense than any other theory
I've heard to date. Any skiing tourism, or can we expect a drop in
tourists come the winter?
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Luke Caissy: if one likes rocky beaches vs the nice sand
beaches of southern NB or PE. But there is 'nude' bathing at Carleton
not far from Bleu Heron restaurant.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Bob Smith: Is that true of the Campbellton area more so than
the Edmundston area?
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Wayne Wright: Well, that would certainly be a draw for some!
David Amos
Reply to @Wayne Wright: Cry me a river The folks up in Campbellton
have done nothing wrong at all. Methinks there would be very different
twist on things today if a few members of Higgy's Police State had won
some seats in the region recently N'esy Pas?
Bob Smith
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Campbellton area. Terms like "squatters",
"bootleggers" and other terms are still heard in areas like
Robinsonville and such.
Luke Caissy
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Snowmobiling is huge on the Gaspe, but the
main draw for Carleton is the water.
SarahRose Werner
"they will be able to access: necessities of life and supporting
services, health care, goods and services required for work, banking
and financial services, transportation, child care, animal care, and
funeral or visitation services for members of their immediate family."
- Maybe if the government had listed what people *can't* access during
modified self-isolation, it might be a shorter list?
Emery Hyslop-Margison
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: it’s a global pandemic. New Brunswick has
done remarkably well. Hang in there girl a few more months.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Emery Hyslop-Margison: Agreed that NB has done remarkably
well. Let's keep doing well! :-) I think it's going to be more than a
*few* more months, however. I'd love to be wrong.
Emery Hyslop-Margison
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: You will be wrong - we’re at peak and
numbers will start to decline as the death rate has already done so.
You’re okay Sarah!
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Emery Hyslop-Margison: We might be at the peak of the second
wave. But until we have vaccines and/or treatments that are safe,
effective and widely available, there's nothing to stop us from having
successive waves. Pragmatism has always stood me in good stead. :-)
David Amos
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Yea Right
Bruce Sanders
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Who would ever take a vaccine for a virus
which is clearly not that contagious, less than 0.6% across Canada
have tested positive, nor deadly; = 3.5% of all deaths in 2019. For
this, we destroy peoples lives for generations to come.
Donald Gallant
Perhaps not a good idea to hire across zones might be a thought.
Les Cooper
Reply to @Donald Gallant: there are doctors at the Fredericton
Hospital that commute back and forth from Montreal etc. Will they be
quarantined??
David Amos
Reply to @Les Cooper: Good question
Fred Dee
Reply to @Les Cooper: who??
Les Cooper
Reply to @Fred Dee: several. No names.
They are bilingual and get paid ton to rent in Freddy. 3 in my neighborhood.
Bill Henry
What does it mean when you have a blue circle by your post.
PHIL INNIS
Reply to @Bill Henry: bill gates is going to give you covid
David Amos
Reply to @PHIL INNIS: Oh My My
Dave Cudmore
Reply to @Bill Henry:
You're in danger of becoming a conservative.
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Dave Cudmore: ROTFL
Roy Kirk
Do the new rules apply to people travelling on charter/private
aircraft. If so, how are they keeping track?
David Amos
Reply to @Roy Kirk Go figure
Bill Henry
Geez Lou, you’re posts were the only sensible ones on here. Now you
sunk down to the rest of us
David Amos
Reply to @Bill Henry: Methinks folks must make allowances for
conservative spin doctors not playing with a full deck However they
really should mind their mouth and quit putting their foot in it after
stepping in their own BS or they may wind up awful ill and not from a
pesky virus N'esy Pas?
Marie Buckley
Time to get our " Guy Lafleurs " up North under control.o
David Amos
Reply to @Marie Buckley: ???
Bill Henry
Will be like the us. People will start taking government to court to
prove they cannot restrict Canadians to their houses.
David Amos
Reply to @Bill Henry: Yup
Bob Smith
Reply to @Bill Henry: A bit of an exaggeration, isn't it?
Bill Henry
Reply to @Bob Smith: I think Higgs is reaching outside his powers. May
take a judge to tell him
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Bill Henry: Every province across the country is restricting
people to their houses under specific circumstances and has been doing
so since March. It's not just Higgs.
Bruce Sanders
Reply to @Bill Henry: Who is going to take the time to do this? Be
dragged through the mud, chastized for challenging the government? I'd
have to stay in NB for longer than I care at this time, so it's not
me. I'd rather go home, get stuff sorted out and then leave a few days
later. forced confinement for just a few days every 4 months or so.
Bruce Sanders
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: So that makes it ok then, sure.
Al Clark
Reply to @Bill Henry: No doubt your legal training at DRA Gandalf's
law school mentioned emergency powers???
Bill Henry
Terry Tibbs or Amos, do these changes help your cause?
David Amos
Reply to @Bill Henry: What cause?
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Bill Henry:
What changes?
Nothing specific has been said and we both know what a politician's
promise is worth?
Bill Henry
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: ok, I’m reading the same. Nothing has changed.
What is a modified self isolation.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Bill Henry:
Exactly what is supposed to exist, but doesn't. It's a shell and pea game.
Randy McNally
Reply to @Bill Henry: I'm still trying to figure out what a modified bubble is
Bill Henry
So no change then. What a joke.
David Amos
Reply to @Bill Henry: Figured it out have ya?
Nick Papagorgio
It's absurd to have stricter isolation rules for people traveling
outside the bubble for work. Does the government not care about the
economy and mental health? These restrictions should only come into
effect when the hospitals are at capacity. People are losing their
jobs and businesses because of the restrictions put forth by the
government. A perfect example is WestJet cancelling all routes in and
out of NB - the bubble is to blame. That's only some of the jobs that
were lost, I can't imagine how many more there are.
Bill Henry
Reply to @Nick Papagorgio: there is absolutely no change
David Amos
Reply to @Bill Henry: Methinks plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose
N'esy Pas?
Les Cooper
Reply to @Nick Papagorgio: Air Canada will be next. Then essential
workers will be unemployed and collecting EI cheques from NB. Lol
Mary Smith
Reply to @Nick Papagorgio: NS and PEI have similar policies in place
for weeks or months now. The idea is that the exemptions to the
quarantines are the weak links. If the virus is not here in the
Atlantic Bubble then that means that not all people coming in will
bring it in, but that it MUST be brought in from outside the Atlantic
Bubble.
It is better to be proactive in a pandemic than reactive. It is better
for work, the economy, hospitals, mental health, etc if we focus on
the weak links ..
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Nick Papagorgio: "...come into affect when hospitals are at
capacity..." A large reason for the the plan is to keep the system by
waiting until at capacity when it would be hell.
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Nick Papagorgio: So Nick, where do you travel for work?
Bruce Sanders
Reply to @Nick Papagorgio: Nope, they do not care about people, and
they do not understand the science either. But, the majority of the
voters wanted this, so there you are. I wonder how many of these
workers voted for Higgs?
Stephan Sommers
The two of them are going to restrict NB into poverty. But hey it’s in
the name of health right.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Stephan Sommers:
How so?
Lou Bell
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Reply to @Stephan Sommers: Oh, just let in the diseased is the best
policy ? Let's take a vote on who's got / made the best decisions ,
you , or the 2 you refer to ! You lose 100 times outta 100
Stephan Sommers
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Where is westjet or via rail or tourism at
these days? What else is NB’ers willing to give up in the name of
health. By the time this is over the east coast will be in a real bad
spot. I hope I’m wrong because I love living here.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: You don't know?
Stephan Sommers
Reply to @Lou Bell: we could just test people two day prior and again
when they have been here for 24 h then all is well. Look at Bermuda,
they do that with all foreign workers and tourist. Nice try.
Lou Bell
Reply to @Stephan Sommers: Better than letting the positive tested in
. But you can get out if you'd prefer , nothings holding you from
leaving, other than if other places let you in . But go ahead , we
sure won't hold you back !
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Stephan Sommers:
Westjet and Via are just pandering for government money.
Tourism is, for the most part, poorly paid, benefit free, seasonal
work, no great loss. Hopefully those folks find real jobs and the
operators go under.
Clearly you didn't get the memo? Immigrants are going to save us.
Stephan Sommers
Reply to @Lou Bell: So you got nothing right on.
Stephan Sommers
Reply to @Lou Bell: I think my NB employees would prefer I keep
business here. That being said I also have a rental in ON and FL.
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Stephan Sommers: VIA Rail hasn't served anywhere east of
Quebec City are from beginning & won't for immediate future. For that
VIA I don't know why they put on service from C'ton to Halifax since
the bubble began.
Bruce Sanders
Reply to @Stephan Sommers: It's not even in the name of health now.
Jake Quinlan
"Because the vast majority of the province's cases originate outside
the Atlantic bubble"
No, in the Atlantic provinces, they all do, ultimately. We (the 4
provinces) "got to zero" multiple times. We never had "embers of
virus" burning all summer long like other provinces. Now (last several
weeks) of course, we can say not all cases originate from outside
bubble - we have community spread in places.
Lou Bell
Reply to @Jake Quinlan: If you want to get technical , ALL cases in
the world , except for the country of origin of the 1st cases are
travel related cases ! Does that make you feel better ?
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks you must feel better now that you got
that off you chest N'esy Pas?
Jake Quinlan
Reply to @Lou Bell: Don't feel better (or worse) as I already had
figured out that all cases outside China are "travel related".
Ian Scott
Took a while but finally learned that having contract workers come and
go from hots zones not a good idea. Public has been saying it for 2
weeks. Yes we realize that they are needed , maybe.But not when going
into publics spaces with close contact quarters or LTC's. You could
see it coming. Now 6 dead and positives continue. Wonder about all the
airline folks that came in with Freddy and Moncton dudes.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Ian Scott:
When you make your living telling tall tales you tend to discount
everything anyone else says.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Oh So True
Nicholas Rioux
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Telling tales? You're the one that said they
had stopped making references to cases being travel related when all
that happened was having all that mass testing to deal with and the
next day's report they used travel related again.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Nicholas Rioux:
It isn't me "playing hard and fast" with the truth in this province.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Nor I
Nicholas Rioux
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: But you said something that was disproven the
very next day. Face it, you thought "conspiracy" when it was just a
delay.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Nicholas Rioux:
There are several active conspiracies around covid 19, you should
start paying attention, they can't even keep their stories straight
from day to day.
Lou Bell
Reply to @Ian Scott: Who brought in the cases and who did they infect
? Most of us don't know , but it appears you know it all ! Please
entice us with all you know , oh great one .
Lou Bell
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: You should know if anyone here would . But we
've come to recognize your frailties
Lou Bell
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Reply to @Terry Tibbs: There's one big conspiracy , and it's yours
Fred Sanford
It`ll be interesting to see how they make the "modified" isolation
work. NB has a lot of people that work in other provinces and return
home for 1 week on a 3 or 4 week rotation. Even if they restrict
themselves to their home (unlikely), they can still theoretically pass
any infection along to their family members who are not isolating.
Lots of holes here.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Fred Sanford:
Of course, they are the same holes that have been there all along,
with the increase in cases elsewhere it is only natural that more is
being brought home for supper. They attempted to plug these holes by
making us all wear masks, which of course, was never going to fix
anything.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I concur
Les Cooper
Reply to @Fred Sanford: I plan to do lots of overtime to avoid flying
to NB. If the out of province workers not flying to NB which are the
ones helping keep airports and flights going in NB then I can see
flights getting canceled.
Toby Tolly
jacques got the last question in on this video conference
totally unrelated but stirring the language issue
David Amos
Reply to @Toby Tolly: Welcome back to the circus
Lou Bell
Reply to @Toby Tolly: Jacques took the election loss really hard !
Like most Liberals , they've never recovered . They're still wired in
the " what about me " mode !
Joseph Carrier
Balmoral is 40 km from Campbellton BTW...
Dave Shimla
Reply to @Joseph Carrier: 24 kms according to googly earth
David Amos
Reply to @Dave Shimla: Survey says?
Dave Shimla
Reply to @David Amos: 27 if you take the long way lol
Ian Scott
Tough place to be. Dr. Russel handles things well. Her French
capabilities are also extraordinary. A premier in making.?
Ian Scott
Reply to @Ian Scott: But so much for simultaneous translation ,so half
of conference useless for most given questions.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Ian Scott: Not sure she can or would want to deal with all
the game-playing that goes on in politics.
James Edward
Reply to @Ian Scott: I hope not.
Toby Tolly
Reply to @Ian Scott: the simultaneous translation is usually horrible
anyway as they miss the start of every language switch.
Michel Forgeron
Reply to @Ian Scott: Her French is quite good really, but I would not
call it extraordinary - she has to grasp for words sometimes.
certainly her effort is extraordinary.
Justin Gunther
Reply to @Toby Tolly: I really wish they'd release complete
transcripts in both languages in a simple plain text format so pains
like me can quickly search through it.
David Amos
Reply to @Michel Forgeron: Who cares?
James Edward
The Joose isn't worth the Squeeze
David Amos
Reply to @James Edward: C'est vrai
James Edward
the game is still going? hmmm I don't know anyone who's died or been
hospitalized...I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but it's not worth
shutting everything down for.
Renee Garry
Reply to @James Edward: well I'm not starving, neither is my familly.
Famine is a hoax
June Arnott
Reply to @James Edward: you are lucky then You think it’s a conspiracy?
June Arnott
Reply to @Renee Garry: good one, hope he gets it
James Edward
Reply to @Renee Garry: did i say famine? no. We are going thru a
global social and financial reset. It won't end well for most of us.
David Amos
Reply to @James Edward: True
Justin Gunther
Reply to @June Arnott: Hope he gets what exactly?
Fred Brewer
Reply to @June Arnott: "good one, hope he gets it"
Nope, he missed it completely.
James Edward
Reply to @June Arnott: good one, hope She gets it
Ian Scott
It would be nice to know if these outbreaks were related to work
travel. And if so how the policy is to be changed to prevent it
happening over and over. Then the rest of us could relax again instead
of wondering if the dude that flew in yesterday from TO is out
wandering about with covid (about to become active) with his kids and
out for Halloween.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Ian Scott: Agreed. We need fewer exemptions from the
self-isolation rule and better enforcement of that rule.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
For starts: how about 100% fewer exemptions?
Otherwise, all we have to look forward to is another episode of
Groundhog Day "a la Higgs".
Dale MacFarlane
Reply to @Ian Scott:
How many travellers from Quebec?
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Dale MacFarlane: Quebec isn't the source of all COVID cases.
Dale MacFarlane
Reply to @SarahRose Werner:
Agreed but i have a relative in NB and he says there are quebec plates
everywhere....me, being in ontario we have spiked in cases.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Dale MacFarlane: It depends on what part of NB you're in.
I'm in southwestern NB and no, we don't have Quebec plates everywhere.
Up north, where people commute back and forth daily over the Quebec/NB
border to do essential work? Yes, there's almost certainly more Quebec
plates. That said, according the grapevine the recent outbreak in the
Moncton health zone (#1) was caused by someone visiting from Ontario
who failed to self-isolate as required. Also, we have two health zones
(#4 and #5) that border Quebec. Zone 4's had very few cases, Zone 5's
had more than any other zone. So it's not as simple as Quebec border =
lots of cases, because that's just not true. Some people would like it
to be that simple, but it's not.
Dave Shimla
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: southeastern NB/Dieppe is full of quebec
plates, and most are not rentals, unless rental companies started
pimping up their cars
Amajor Hall
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: It essentially doesn't matter, there are
NOT a lot of cases anyways no matter travel or otherwise...and they
are decreasing as we speak...15 new cases in the last week, but 65
recoveries in the same period...
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I am fond of Groundhog Days
Dan Lee
Reply to @David Amos:
Somehow it doesnt surprise me............
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks the Irving Clan would love to know
that during Groundhog Day Gale in 1976 my number man and I were
betting on which letter of the huge Irving sign across the road from
my bike shop was gonna come down next Most Maritimers in my neck of
the woods would agree that was quite a storm N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
This Groundhog day:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I know what you implied but thats Yankee
fiction what i said really happened in the Maritimes
Randy McNally
Reply to @David Amos:I recall that It warmed up to around 65 degrees F
in the afternoon, the sun was melting the snow in the fields, water
was running everywhere,. Then it blew in a rain on a warm south
westerly wind that quickly shifted to a brisk north wind as the rain
switched to snow. The wind continued to blow gusting over 70 mph
through the night, as Atlantic Canada and Northern New England plunged
into a deep freeze of minus 25 and change. By morning everything was
frozen solid and wind damage everywhere. I think it may ahve taken out
the pier at Old Orchard Beach in southern Maine.
Randy McNally
Reply to @David Amos: I remember it well.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
New Brunswick reports one new case of COVID-19
Potential public exposure at Moncton gym, people asked to self-monitor
CBC News · Posted: Oct 30, 2020 1:32 PM AT
46 Comments
David Amos
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Methinks we are all waiting with bated breath for Al Clark and his
buddies little Lou, Tiny Tim Harvey Baby, Johnny "Never Been Good"
Jacobs and of course the all knowing shill Mr Oliver to make an
appearance and begin offering their two bits worth about their hero
Higgy's circus today N'esy Pas Mr Tibbs???
Ben Haroldson
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Reply to @David Amos:(He said something twice but it was gone by the
time I rebooted my computer)
Ray Oliver
Content disabled
Reply to @David Amos: cool nicknames. Did you put that together during
a group visit with the rest of your "friends" at the restigouche
hospital?
David Amos
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Reply to @Ray Oliver: Cool nicknames?? Yea right
Methinks turnabout is fair play hence you should enjoy a little Deja
Vu from earlier today N'esy Pas?
Al Clark
Reply to @Bill Henry: No doubt your legal training at DRA Gandalf's
law school mentioned emergency powers???
Harvey York
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Reply to @Ray Oliver: it's like a 6 year old unloved boy trapped in an
old man's body
Lou Bell
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Reply to @David Amos: Surprise ! Surprise ! Surprise !
Diana Austin
Those loudly protesting against Covid restrictions and touting instead
letting the virus run rampant to achieve herd immunity overall in
societies have often taken their lead from Sweden’s relaxed approach
to Covid and their guiding epidemiologist, Dr Anders Tegnell. Of
course, as others have pointed out, Sweden has had a much higher death
rate than its Scandinavian neighbours, and recent economic reviews
have shown their economy has not fared much better, either. But the
latest comments by Dr Anders Tegnell in a recent interview with Die
Zeit, a German newspaper (also repeated in the London Times), suggest
that even he has been learning on the job, so to speak. He now says
that the pandemic is approaching a “critical juncture” in Sweden after
the number of daily cases rose by 70 per cent in a week. He does still
defend aspects of his early approach, but to the surprise of many, he
is also now recommending some “mini-lockdowns” in specific areas. Even
more surprisingly, Tegnell has now also said that it would be both
futile and immoral for a state to deliberately pursue herd immunity:
“Throughout history there has up to now been no infectious disease
whose transmission was fully halted by herd immunity without a
vaccine.” So it seems that doctors everywhere are still learning how
much is still left to learn about how this new virus operates and how
societies might best respond
Emery Hyslop-Margison
Reply to @Diana Austin: yawn
Lou Bell
Reply to @Emery Hyslop-Margison: Very informative Diana ! Of course
for the ignorant naysayers , not mentioning any names , this is the
last thing they wanr to hear . True , informative information by
health professionals debunking all the BS we see spread by the
uninformed who get their information from the false narratives of the
conspiracy theorists off social media !!!!!!!!!
Emery Hyslop-Margison
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Reply to @Lou Bell: hard at it Lou? I guess you’re not dead yet?
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Surprise ! Surprise ! Surprise !
David Amos
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Reply to @David Amos: Methinks whereas I am very tired of her constant
bs about me perhaps Higgy et al should explain to their spin doctor
little Lou real slow my status as an American resident N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks I should remind the RCMP of this comment
of your pal's from yesterday N'esy Pas?
Al Clark
Reply to @David Amos: Well well well! Surprise surprise surprise! I
was convinced that your short list of broken record responses were
produced by pressing a function key. Colour me flabbergasted, like a
chinese mill owner finding a shredded panhead at the bottom of the
boat ;-)