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Would you dare to call me a liar???
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Alberta MLA lends credence to COVID-19 'concentration camps' misinformation
Health expert says those with high profiles can rapidly escalate spread of conspiracy theories
Joel Dryden· CBC News· Posted: Oct 22, 2020 6:27 PM MT
Miranda Rosin, the MLA for Banff-Kananaskis, appeared to lend credence to a disinformation campaign circulating on social media in recent weeks. The UCP member wrote on Facebook that the provincial government would never create COVID-19 'concentration camps.' (Legislative Assembly of Alberta)
Banff-Kananaskis MLA Miranda Rosin on Tuesday reassured a constituent that the provincial government would never create COVID-19 "concentration camps"— but added that if the "rumours" were true, it would involve the federal government.
In doing so, Rosin helped to spread a misinformation campaign that has been been circulating on social media for weeks, says a health policy expert.
"It's a pretty hardcore conspiracy theory," said Timothy Caulfield, a Canada Research Chair in health law and policy at the University of Alberta. "It's extremely disappointing to have government officials, elected officials, helping spread this disinformation."
In a comment posted to Rosin's Facebook page, a constituent requested that government "STOP the COVID concentration camps."
In response, Rosin commented that, "If the rumours are true, those are being set up by the federal government, not us."
"Rest assured we would never create such a thing," she wrote.
While responding to a constituent on Tuesday, MLA Miranda Rosin said the provincial government would never create so-called COVID-19 concentration camps, referring to a disinformation campaign circulating on social media. (Facebook)
Earlier this week, health officials pushed back against the spread of the misinformation, the crux of which claims that the federal government is preparing to forcibly send Canadians to quarantine sites.
Funding has been announced for voluntary quarantine sites for homeless Canadians, and the federal government has plans to expand the number of sites available for international travellers who need to self-isolate but do not have space to do so.
But a spokesperson for Health Minister Patty Hajdu told CBC News earlier this week that no one will be forced to leave their homes to go into a "COVID camp."
Speaking Tuesday, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he had to tell a young woman that the government would not remove Canadians from their homes to put them in facilities.
"There is a tremendous amount of noise and harmful misinformation about [the pandemic] on the internet.… We need to hold together and resist people who would sow chaos within our communities and our democracy," he said.
MLA says she received hateful correspondence
In an update posted on Facebook , Rosin said Thursday that she should have denounced the constituent's use of the term "concentration camp."
"Yet in the moment, I quickly responded to him that the leak was but a rumour at this point, and that if such facilities were being set up, they were not being done so by our provincial government," Rosin wrote.
"We have worked hard to reopen Alberta's economy, and we aren't moving backwards."
Sharing an email purportedly received after the post, Rosin wrote that she had been insulted and called names typically used to denigrate women.
"As a society, we can and we should behave better. I believe in a world where we can all treat each other humanely no matter how much we may disagree on things. Politics don't need to divide us like this," she wrote.
Rosin was not immediately available to provide additional comment on Thursday.
Speaking to Alberta talk radio host Danielle Smith on Monday, Alberta Premier Jason Kenney said no government was engaging in the mandatory quarantine of Canadians, as purported by a recent disinformation campaign. (The Canadian Press)
In response to a request for comment, a spokesperson for Premier Jason Kenney's office referred CBC News to a recent interview with the premier by Alberta talk radio host Danielle Smith.
"I think a certain conspiracy theory has developed around this," Kenney said on the radio show. "My understanding was that it was basically for hotel rooms for arriving international travellers."
Kenney said Alberta has taken similar steps, such as when the province saw large outbreaks in meat-packing plants earlier this year.
"We offered to put a number of those people up in hotels during the quarantine period," Kenney said. "I think that some of this is turning into, unfortunately, a conspiracy theory. No government is going to engage in mandatory quarantine of people."
Expert says misinformation can erode trust in health policy
Caulfield said that when high-profile individuals in society like politicians, sports stars or celebrities spread misinformation, it can help conspiracy theories take flight.
"There's a good body of research emerging on exactly that," he said. "Even if you don't necessarily align yourself with that individual, just their ability to get that misinformation out there causes it to spread. There's been research that has backed up exactly that."
University of Alberta professor Timothy Caulfield says misinformation in a public health crisis can lead to hospitalization, financial loss and adverse impacts on health and science policy. (Sam Martin/CBC)
Caulfield said that those who align themselves with misinformation and conspiracy theories are less likely to adopt appropriate precautions, such as wearing masks or following physical distancing rules.
"So when we have politicians making irresponsible statements, you're really contributing to a public health crisis," he said. "The other thing that is fascinating about this story, is this is a pretty hardcore conspiracy theory. This is not something that is even rational.
"It demonstrates the incredible traction that misinformation can have."
Speaking Tuesday, Dr. Theresa Tam, Canada's chief public health officer, said it was up to every Canadian to fight the spread of fake news and fight back against false information.
"That is a dual challenge, for sure. Misinformation, disinformation, does not help public health officials," she said.
WATCH: Dr. Theresa Tam is asked about bogus COVID-19 claims:
Dr. Theresa Tam answered questions today about the rise of fake news online during the pandemic. 3:12
With files from John Paul Tasker
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Trudeau warns against 'internment camp' disinformation
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201294ShareThe claim that the federal government is preparing to forcibly intern Canadians is patently false, said a spokesperson for Health Minister Patty Hajdu. A disinformation campaign claiming such has been circulating on social media for weeks.
CBC couldn't tell the truth if they tried. This whole video is false. He says no one's going to break into your house and make you take a mumps vaccination. We're not talking about mumps.
CBC instead of reporting on the rumours that are flying around on the internet, why don’t you do some investigative reporting and prove there are no isolation facilities being built.
Lol they can't, because it wouldn't be true.
I can prove it. What type of proof are you looking for? Do you trust Municipal Surveying? How about Google Maps? How about Waze Maps? How about an FOI (freedom of information) how about other news sources?Also, I'm curious about your proof than these facilities are being built? I would love to see the plans, the payments to companies, or to even know which companies are involved. Pictures would be great, or anything really. If you aren't just trolling, I'm honestly curious...
@Wood Duck I don't think you're sitting on the fence on this anymore..I think you're trolling us...if you know how to use the methods you suggest to find proof of anything why don't you use them, I think your methods are highly unrealistic, FOIA takes forever and is a hassle to jump through all the loops and then just to get a refusal with some boondoggle reason given and then which municipalities would you begin with regarding surveying, another endless process, google map only covers established areas i.e. I can find my house and the neighbors houses on a country road, but beyond that there are lakes in the wilderness that don't show up, and I can't scrutinize the mountains out back to see if there are any deer on that particular day, in fact the G. Map of my house still shows my old Pontiac Parisenne parked in the driveway, I've had four different cars since then. So I think you just make this B.s*it up to baffle brains. So, if you think those are plausible methods, then why don't you give us the proof, since Trou d'eau will not, eh?Besides @Geselia Pereira is not saying they exist, but is asking why Hillier's mike was cut off when asking the question in session? He had a government document in his hand saying they do exist along with vague reasons for their existence. That's all we have at the moment along with crickets sound bytes from the powers that bee on the subject. It would appear that this is classified info, and is the opposite of the transparency Trou d'eau campaigned on. His transparency is the same as Harper's...opaque. Miranda Rosin is the MLA for Banff-Kananaskis. She sits on the standing committees of Public Accounts and Alberta's Economic Future. She was a former member of Alberta's Fair Deal Panel and the Deputy Chair of the Public Health Act Review Committee.
This is the absolute epitome of pathetic journalism.
I made a heartfelt post about cyber bullying and the level of discourse in our society, with honest intentions of encouraging society to behave better.
CBC chose to report that the email I shared was only purported, as if it may have somehow been fabricated, and as if politicians seemingly deserve to be denigated and sworn at. That right there justifies the post that I made.
Let me be clear: The Federal Government is not creating literal concentration camps. I come from Jewish lineage. I had family members who spent time at the Kananaskis PoW camp. I would never make a mockery of concentration camps, and my comment reaffirming that our Provincial government was not establishing quarantine facilities was not intended to peddle conspiracy theories about legitimate concentration camps. It was meant to clear the air with a concerned constituent.
I did not once even say the words "concentration camp".
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CBC is trash propaganda. Keep your head up. As one of your constituents I think you’re doing a great job. You don’t deserve any of this.
Are you (still) suggesting that concentration camps might be set up by the Trudeau government? Because that's the issue to me.
Denigration, threats, swears have no place in politics - truly despicable.
It’s funny when “concentration camps” is a major disinformation issue for many. But a Prime Minister that violates ethics with the self entitled approach of “going to get ice cream” multiple times over. A Prime Minster that broke the law attempting to override the rule of law. A Prime Minster that wore blackface like a baseball cap. A PM the groped a woman and blamed her for “experiencing it differently. A leader who has time and again purposely obfuscated and blocked access to information for his WE scandal among other multiple investigations seems rather trite in comparison.
Tony Clark
there's things going around about the federal government setting up "isolation facilities". I believe her comments were along the lines of if it's true it's the federal government. Well it is true, but it's not "concentration camps" but facilities for people who can't self isolate like homeless or people in large families etc
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correct. I did not denounce the use of the term "concentration camp" in the individual's original comment on my previous post, which I suppose I should have.
But I never once gave credence to such a thing. I merely acknowledged it was but a rumor, and that our Provincial government had nothing to do with it.
Thanks for the response, MLA Rosin.
You can help to dispel this by saying (or posting) unequivocally that the 'concentration camp' notion is disinformation.
Miranda Rosin
you “suppose” you should have ? Seriously? You do not deserve any hate mail ever but as a public figure, you should definitely consider your words and what impact they may have - on those who support the UCP and those who do not. Bashing the CBC for reporting your words is a red herring.
It’s funny how you Trudeau cucks come to a Conservative page to try and spread your religion. Nice try is right.
Willis Geczi Nice try but mostly bullshit.
Tony Clark
denigration, threats, swears are, sadly, today’s politics.
Willis Geczi
there are no concentration camps in Canada. Can admin pls follow this?
Lin Heidt
no. But there are an abundance of Liberal politicians on the federal level that are not being held to account over far more serious allegations than a third party mention of the words concentration camps. Seems “ethics” is a thing of the past like common sense.
Miranda Rosin Own up and quit trying to worm your way out of what you said.
Willis Geczi
As an MLA, you're suppose to represent ALL the people in the constituency and not just the conservatives...
** Warning: graphic language below, although I have blacked it out for you.
I share this post not to whine, nor receive pity, nor sympathetic flattery. I don't need any of that. I chose to run for politics, and I knew what I was signing up for. I share this post because it's time a larger societal conversation was had around the state of our civil discourse.
Partisan politics have divided us, and society has become toxic. People have entirely normalized the bullying, harassment, and intimidation of their elected officials, justifying their actions by pretending it is part of their civic duty as a participating member in democracy. Trash like this is posted by individuals across the entire span of the political spectrum. It is not a left vs. right nor a male vs. female issue.
I wish I could say that emails such as these were an anomaly, but unfortunately they've become the norm. Us politicians get literally tens to hundreds of these emails every day. In this particular instance, there are even individuals who went so far as to say publicly that I "deserve every bit" of this.
Behavior like this is unacceptable, unbecoming of adults, and it is entirely degrading our democracy, not enhancing it.
Yesterday an individual commented on a post of mine saying "stop the covid concentration camps". I knew instantly what he was referencing: the proposed quarantine facilities supposedly leaked by a Liberal committee member. The individual who commented was one of many constituents who have reached out to me about this potential leak, sharing concerns about the diminishment of our civil libraries in Canada.
Perhaps I should have responded to him denouncing his use of the term "concentration camp" and clarifying the facilities he was referring to. Yes, I absolutely should have done that. Yet in the moment I quickly responded to him that the leak was but a rumor at this point, and that if such facilities were being set up they were not being done so by our provincial Government. We have worked hard to reopen Alberta's economy, and we aren't moving backwards.
Then came the wrath of social media, and the rest was history.
Look, civil discourse is important. What makes democracy strong is the ability for citizens to use their voices to enact change. I love when constituents reach out to me or my office to talk policy. Unfortunately, behavior such as this, which has become so commonplace in our world, is not having that intended effect. Behaviour like this is, by no means, productive whatsoever.
Society demands the highest level of respect, integrity, and conduct from their elected officials - as they should. Yet we cannot expect to attract high caliber candidates for office while we simultaneously bully, harass, and threaten them and their families on a daily basis.
If we want to encourage our upcoming generations to step into the public arena and serve the people, we need to be role models for them. Most parents wouldn't let their children speak to other kids on the playground this way, and the same expectation should be extended to adults. We haven't strived so hard as a society to end bullying, just for it to be considered "ok" once people turn 18 and leave school and sit down at their computers.
As a society we can, and we should behave better. I believe in a world where we can all treat each other humanely no matter how much we may disagree on things. Politics don't need to divide us like this.
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Top Fan I don't care which party or side people represent, the way people are talking to politicians these days is ridiculous.
And adults wonder why their kids are suffering from cyber bullying.
I wonder where they learn.
Morgan Justice Nagel
the way people are talking to ANY other people these days is ridiculous. Very few people can carry on a respectful conversation. Most people these days don't even take the time to hear someone's position before they launch an attac…
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Morgan Justice Nagel
its not just how they talk to politicians its how they talk to everyone online .
Try being a boomer, the only thing I ask stay off my grass
Maybe if these useless bastards did what they say they were going to do and actually stand up for the people that elected them,they wouldn't get trashed like this.People are scared for their loss of freedom and rights,they are fed up and disgusted with…
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Billy Greff
Not sure a businessman will fix something right now...
May be we need people standing together to "clear the room" first...
Morgan Justice Nagel it is sad to lose faith in government. I personally believe that the indoctrination of society and the unaccountability of media combined with dishonesty and false media are a major cause of the destruction of this country. Truth h…
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Morgan Justice Nagel
the way politicians are lying and bullying is what has made this acceptable. Last election I remember the conservatives running there, but he has nice hair ads. People are mad now because they are starting to see the lies and be personally hurt by the cuts.
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This is the absolute epitome of pathetic journalism.
I made a heartfelt post about cyber bullying and the level of discourse in our society, with honest intentions of encouraging society to behave better.
CBC chose to report that the email I shared was only purported, as if it may have somehow been fabricated, and as if politicians seemingly deserve to be denigated and sworn at. That right there justifies the post that I made.
Let me be clear: The Federal Government is not creating literal concentration camps. I come from Jewish lineage. I had family members who spent time at the Kananaskis PoW camp. I would never make a mockery of concentration camps, and my comment reaffirming that our Provincial government was not establishing quarantine facilities was not intended to peddle conspiracy theories about legitimate concentration camps. It was meant to clear the air with a concerned constituent.
I did not once even say the words "concentration camp".
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nonsense. Where would our homeless shelter if not for safe sites. Or those dependant on federal housing or living in generational homes?? These are already in existence. But they are NOT CONCENTRATION CAMPS...that's propaganda and bs.
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CBC is trash propaganda. Keep your head up. As one of your constituents I think you’re doing a great job. You don’t deserve any of this.
Nicole H.
of course she deserves it, the federal government would set up concentration camps? They really need to make some educational minimums for people who run in government. How does not understand how the constitution works.
Selvin Mathew
obviously she assumed the loon was referring to the quarinteen facilities Trudeau wants to build.
Sure a lot of perfect people on this thread, or do they just enjoy being as mean as they can be to their neighbors?
Do better
Melanie Delorme
What quarantine facility does Trudeau want to build? Would you mind pointing me to that source?
The media are very quick to twist words to create “issues” that do not exist and thereby boost their circulation. This is dirty journalism
Are you (still) suggesting that concentration camps might be set up by the Trudeau government? Because that's the issue to me.
Denigration, threats, swears have no place in politics - truly despicable.
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Top Fan Stay strong Miranda. Opponents attack good people when they are threatened by them.
Keep up the good work
You wrote the post that implies that if camps were set up, it would be the federal government doing it. Be an adult and own your words.
This is mixing up two stories: one is that you commented on a rumour and helped spread misinformation about concentration camps, which you should not have done as an elected official.
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Shame on the CBC. I no longer have respect for them. They are not journalists. Shame on them.
You of course realize that saying “if the rumours are true” signals that, at the very least, you’re open to the idea that rumours about the “camps” *could* be true. No one would say “if the earth is flat” unless they weren’t entirely sure about the sha…
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The fact remains that you mentioned that it would have been the federal government, which you did not substantiate or clarify. You deserve the heat for that
This is on you and your useless band of thieves and charlatans. You got busted in a ridiculous, shameful attempt to push Alberta back to the Dark Ages, no pun intended. Absolutely, lost in a netherworld. If you think Albertans are going to fall for your trump like rhetoric, you are sadly mistaken. Oh, and it’s because Albertans are well educated and not the idiots bred from the American system of (non) education. Try coming into 21st Century Alberta!
You stated that the Federal Government was considering COVID concentration camps. You are lying about that. Your government is actively avoiding any leadership on COVID and the result will be more dead Albertans. But you hold your head up about that nasty reporter! Embarrassing.
Top Fan Stephen Carter not a single NDP talking point missed! You must love the attention Notley gives you when you show up for her. You're a clown and should stay in your lane.
Not a NDP supporter. “You’re” embarrassing.
Robert Ede
Big fan of partisan lies are you? Miranda fucked up. She will be getting a call from the CoS. You know how I know that? I used to be the one making the call.
Robert Ede Born in Alberta where my grandparents on both sides homesteaded around 1898. Lived my life here as most of my rather substantial family has. Farmers, welders , teachers, accountants, cowboys, professors, artists etc. We love Alberta and we want the best for our children, grandchildren , nieces , nephews etc. That who I am. Nothing unreal about it.Miranda tried to spin a lie. An irresponsible even dangerous lie. You can not bullshit your way out of that nor can she.
Top Fan Stephen Carter
oooh he got me on a spelling error on my phone, whatever will I do!!!!! Typical old man response. Take a nap and come back when YOU'RE less cranky.
Top Fan Robert Ede Calling people a clown does not pass for intelligent conversation.
Top Fan Top Fan Garrell Clark
ok, and? I thought you stood on the doctrine no matter where you are born, or where you are from, you can be accepted here. So why are you now using the opposite to argue against me? Using your families lineage as a superiority over someone in a debate. I just exposed you, have a good night.
Stephen Carter
go back to your socialist whole, and take all the fear mongering socialist libtards with you, and stop trying to turn our Country into a laughing stock welfare state.
“Hole” - are you really that dumb?
Stephen Carter
Perhaps I should have said "collective" read between the lines. I guess I was expecting too much from an "Educated" person.
Perhaps you enjoyed watching how the NDP tried to systematically destroy your provinces economy, and now the Trudeau agenda to finish the job? There can be a lot said about all politicians working in their own best interests rather than for the people, always been my opinion that the fewer politicians and public servants you have, the better off we all are.
Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.
This is just journalism. They report on the facts as they are presented to them. I don’t know if it actually is you who posts on social media or a staff member but once something in the public domain it must be dealt with one way or another. An immediate retraction and apology comes to mind.
You receiving abuse is a separate matter. It is not okay.
Well said my friend and the CBC would be answering on Trudeau direction. So no true Canadians believes a word that cancer propaganda ration has to say
You joked that the federal government might be creating concentration camps. That was hardly responsible, and as you're aware, concentration camps are no joke.
I'm sorry you get offensive and derogatory emails; I don't support that happening to anyone.
Please, however, take responsibility for what you said.
The CBC might as well be the National Enquirer the way they spin things. Only NDP supporters led by their habitually lying Queen Rachel would believe this bullshit. And make no mistake. There is no lie Rachel won't say to inflame her people. It's pathetic.
You don't "clear the air" by saying if there were such camps they would be the federal government's. Not irresponsible journalism. Your remark was irresponsible. It shows a lack of maturity and understanding of how to stop spreading conspiracy theories. A responsible person would have said no such things exists nor will it ever. A responsible person would have told the individual that they are confusing the need to find safe spaces for homeless people with something more nefarious. Major cities are asking provincial and federal governments to help house the homeless just as governments are asked to help house evacuees from fires. This is what an intelligent person would explain. Own it and stop blaming the media for your blunder. Taking responsibility for what one says and the harm it does is called maturity.
The government has actually said these camps are for people who dont believe in the virus.
At least politics are keeping people entertained in a morbid kind of way..its like a bad soap opera.
Marjorie Sawinski it is like a bad soap opera, or even a horrible accident we can't help but look at, but it really can lead to terrible things.
We are Canada. We have health care and CERB. Our mortality rate from COVID is a little more than one third…
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People are already scared and making a remark of "Concentration Camp" was unnecessary especially that you come from Jewish descendants and family that spent time in Kananaskis PoW camp. You have to watch you write because it will backfire.
Isn't there any journalistic ethics anymore ?
A publicly funded organization like the CBC should have higher standards.
Someone should sue.
Tod Magnusson
someone should sue all the ill-informed that get to come here and slander people, institutions and governments without thought or responsible research.
Stand tall, Miranda. Consider the source.
Marguerite Denis
which has a much higher standard of journalism is comparison to the propaganda that American owned Postmedia rags "report".
But I don't understand why you would say it would be the federal government that would do it ....why would you imply something like that and to a concentration camp?!! I found that really immature and childish of you... "So when we have politicians making irresponsible statements, you're really contributing to a public health crisis," he said. "The other thing that is fascinating about this story, is this is a pretty hardcore conspiracy theory. This is not something that is even rational. "It demonstrates the incredible traction that misinformation can have."
Hmmm. Quite honestly and sincerely I say, Sorry that you were misinterpreted and your family had to endure what they did.
I do wonder if Indigenous and First Nation people feel as you do when their history is removed from Alberta school curriculum.
Jacquelyn Tobin
funny enough, that was also a CBC story. Trash. Absolute trash. CBC should go
the way of the dinosaur.
Thankfully this was a draft (of absolute junk from those advisers)...not a draft from “government” as CBC headlines suggest. Even those of
us on the right (including me) see that proposal for the junk it was.
It was not and is not a government thing - it was headline sensationalism by CBC.
“He said the proposals will go before hundreds of teachers and experts who serve on curriculum working groups for feedback later this fall before the minister signs off on the curriculum.”
Nice tangent though. Now back to the original post..
Blaine Gb Not trash. the CBC reported accurately. That was the recommendation of the UCP's hand picked racist advisory committee.
The CBC used well worded headlines to suggest the govt was pushing this through, and you and your NDP colleagues jumped on it as if it was a done deal. You are part of the problem today Garrell - propagating myth before fact and sowing division amongst Albertans.
How about “shutup and see what happens”, because the no political party is stupid enough to proceed with the curriculum as suggested.
I am willing to wait and see what’s done.
...Because despite leaning slightly right of centre, I too would be disgusted with this curriculum. But guess what? It is NOT a curriculum. It was some stuff on paper collated from a variety of sources. But that’s enough for folks like you to go off yelling and screaming. Grow up.
Correction - it wasn’t even a working copy of a draft. It was hundreds (if not more than 1000) people’s ideas added to a spreadsheet. Cue the leftist-media-propaganda hate machine.
Jacquelyn Tobin
what was removed? I heard the education minister say it's not negotiable it will be taught.
'That is non-negotiable,” said LaGrange. However, she would not say at what age she thought it would be appropriate to begin teaching about residential schools.'
Hey, I posted a non-CBC story where Minister would not commit to which grades would be taught.
Jacquelyn
I know right... they’re so busy screaming about “facts” that you can’t even catch their attention by smacking them with a legitimate one
They won’t commit because they don’t know yet. How dense are you?? Lindsae says you’re hitting with facts? Ha! Nope.
Here is a fact: They cannot commit to a grade because they do NOT have a curriculum yet. As stated above, they won’t until they eng…
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Direct quotes from the Minister were posted. There is no spin. But given the amount of times Albertans were told one thing but UCP did another, there definitely is no trust.
Blaine Gb
you grow up and quit playing bully pulpit.
Blaine Gb
you were there in the meeting so you can assure us none of this will appear in the curriculum. Ok. However we DO KNOW WHAT IS BEING ELIMINATED and that IS a travesty.
Marilee, you nasty name caller, you...oh my goodness.
Oh, wait, sorry, what name did I use?
And no, you do NOT know what is being eliminated because it is NOT fact, it is NOT decided, and there is NO curriculum.
Marilee Barry
still waiting for you to prove my facts wrong, and show me some name calling here...
Still waiting Marilee...it’s been 20 minutes now. Are you feeling like a gaslighting hypocrite perhaps?
1) where was I factually incorrect? This was a draft, not of the government’s design, not a meeting, and there is no curriculum. There is no deci…
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Blaine Gb
as if I'm going to bother with your bait ND switch. No thanks. You are welcome to your opinions. I've just stated mine. She was wrong to say it, wrong to try and turn it into a pity party for being called out and you are heading off on another tangent of your own. Russia or just simple conspiracy theorist, I don't have the energy to engage with someone hell bent on propagating radical right nonsense. Have fun Blaine.
Blaine seems pretty centre to me. He states clearly that he does not like the draft himself. But he is also
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Teagan Deogi
exactly! and yet she is again here chirping about “bait and switch”(???) and STILL has not shown me where my facts are incorrect or where I name called. And yet she did both (name called and incorrect facts). Seems a lot more radical to one side than I am. that’s for sure.
Oooh goodness, Blaine. She better get right on board with your demand.
Jacquelyn, I could care less if she is on board with my “demand”...I assume you mean my request that she substantiate any of the claims she made in her attack on me (vs. attacking what I said as would occur in an intelligent debate).
It’s clear she isn’t capable of defending her inaccurate statements. They can’t be defended because she was wrong - Whereas nothing I said was incorrect.
So much of the division in this province exists because folks like you two spew inaccuracies as fact. At one point, left and right could have an intelligent conversation. As Teagan states above, I am very centrist. That’s the funny part. We likely want the same thing in the curriculum. But only one of us is willing to recognize reality from fairy tales. Folks like you two are arguing that “something that doesn’t even exist yet is somehow fact”.
How can you not see how asinine this is?
I can’t continue to converse at this level today - I’ve already helped the kids with grade school homework and literacy this morning. Good day.
Which curriculum are you teaching?
Blaine Gb
nasty, name calling gaslighting folks like you enjoy pretending you are fact checking when you entire reason of existence is to throw shade... Russian much there Vlad?
I've seen some really ugly stuff from the conservatives as well. Even uglier.
The remarks made toward Catherine McKenna the previous environment minister, were exceptionally vile....and there were personal threats.
Author Paul Goutiere
oh I agree. The issue of low public discourse spans all political stripes.
Especially toward women, which is particularly troublesome.
Author Paul Goutiere truthfully, my male colleagues have received hate mail just as severe as I have. It spans all genders and partisan stripes. It is a societal issue.
Its called misogyny and it seems to be the cornerstone of the UCP party.
Miranda Rosin
It's a negative aspect of your job, and unrelated to the divisive disinformation you are lending credence to.
Woman up and own your opinions.
Do you, or do you not believe that my country is secretly building COVID camps?
If so, investigate. Do your job. Expose it. Or stop supporting disinformation in a pandemic.
This is really dangerous stuff you are dabbling in. Do you want the kind of divisiveness we see in the states?
If you made a mistake, then own it.
If you believe Canadians will be imprisoned in COVID camps, then speak out.
you keep being you. Most of us know how awesome you are!
It sucks that you have to deal with abusive emails.
It is a much more serious issue, however if Canadians have to deal with elected officials who lend credence to disinformation during a pandemic.
Did you or did you not write "If the rumours (of COVID camps) are true, those are being set up by the federal government, not us."?
If so, you owe Canada and Canadians a public apology.
The CBC article refers to your Facebook answer not to a letter. It says :"While responding to a constituent on Tuesday, MLA Miranda Rosin said the provincial government would never create so-called COVID-19 concentration camps, referring to a disinformation campaign circulating on social media. (Facebook)"
Did you write the post suggesting that the UCP would never do it, but if "camps" existed it would be the Federal Government who would? It looks like a message with your name on it. I'm afraid that is a very misleading, divisive message to spread. If you did say it then you need to pay the piper. Its irresponsible to throw shade like this at your opposition. This type of mischaracterization is what is creating the ugliness in politics. It isn't something you want to be known for. Apologize, explain how wrong the comment is and move on. I would respect that.
Don't give airtime to conspiracy, and don't complain about it when you get called out for doing so. Be a professional, we don't pay you to create more division or seed more lies.
Author Adam Daniel
Look, I acknowledged that I should have denounced the use of the word "concentration camp" in the individual's comment.
But I genuinely do not believe that acknowledging such quarantine facilities were only but a rumor, while confirming that our provincial government is not setting them up, is giving airtime to a conspiracy.
Miranda Rosin
You are still not taking responsibility for your ignorant remarks. I'm not a Liberal but these conspiracy theories are a danger to the world. Please be very very clear and do not waver when you denounce the concentration camp bullshit.
Miranda Rosin
you are correct, those things are not "giving airtime to a conspiracy."
Saying "if the rumours are true, then it's the federal government doing it" IS giving airtime to a conspiracy.
I agree with Julian Power it's the "if the rumours are true" comment that is the problem. You could not resist the urge to put the integrity of the Federal Government in question. As a member of the public service you SHOULD at least be informed enough to say without question that the "concentration camps" are nothing but a conspiracy theory to discredit the federal government. I get your on the opposite side and are more for Corporate Welfare then the Social Welfare programs that benefit the taxpayers in Canada, but you shouldn't have to rely on half truths and lies to get your message across. If you truly believe in your message it should stand on it's own without giving any credence to crazy theories.
Miranda Rosin
look why are you so defensive?! You did not really denounce anything “I suppose” is not denouncing! And you were making insinuations about the federal govt that could be part of it! “If the rumours are true...” Again Your responses are childish, immature and the fact that you don’t understand why what you said is part of spreading misinformation is also disappointing.
Actually it seems pretty factual and a Timothy Caulfield is an expert in his field. How cavalier of you, off the cuff, to say the Feds are likely responsible. Do your homework before making a comment. You are in the public eye and everything you say and do is under scrutiny.
Why because it’s true! Good onher a honest MLA that spoke out
WHAT?!?!?! And now you have to deal with CBC! That's what they chose to twist out of the email. Unreal. Hold your head high, stay humble, stay focussed - you're doing a great job!
Miranda you are doing an awesome job. I work the front lines with covid 19 and on some local chatter pages they talk about the shelter we work at etc. And how bad the homeless are etc and I have to scroll by it because of this very reason. You are very brave. Keep looking up.
Colleen Douglas
where do you work and how does what she said exonerate you and what you are doing?? I don't see the connection unless you ARE saying you work in something equivalent to a "concentration camp".
Feds have a bid out for isolation camps to be built in every province.
"If the rumours are true ... " ???
You knew what you were doing when you chose those words.
I don’t think it’s pathetic journalism. I think it’s a pretty black and white picture of the series of events that took place. I saw all the posts.
A few things to note:
1) you should’ve ignored if not deleted the highly emotionally loaded comment on the first post.
2) your response epitomizes the exact partisan politics you later went on to disagree with
3) your mistake is forgivable
4) no one ever deserves the amount of disrespect you were shown in that email
5) I think you have good intentions.
My politics don’t align with yours, and we disagree on almost everything but to your further point discourse is important.
Accept this as a learning experience.
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Kimber Ly
nonsense. You spout nonsense, Karen.
Bahahaha another misogynistic insult. Filed under “no fucks given”
David Little
that’s not how you use that as an insult... try harder next time
Methinks CBC had that attitude with me since 2002 check page 14 then ask Sophia Harris if she dares to call mea liar but i already know where you will put this old file of mine but somebody else may wish to have a look N'esy Pas?
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Top Fan All this while a sitting prime minister threatens fo shut down government again to escape being questioned under oath by the ethics committee.
Robert Ede
oh yes. Amid a HUGE hot air balloon called a "scandal". Oh please.
Top Fan Guess there was no Liberal corruption to report on for once so they had to try to create something out of nothing.
CBC News
Lending credence? Seriously? This is a stretch even for CBC.
Craig Boone
as if Postmedia doesn't spread the damnedest propaganda I've ever read...and they aren't even a Canadian owned company. They write pablum. I'd trust CBC any day. And she said it. It's in black and white, literally.
Marilee Barry
This was shoddy journalism and it is most certainly not 'literal'. Any real journalist would have sought clarification before publishing such nonsense.
No surprise. The CBC is a taxpayer funded propaganda machine for the left.
Well said Miranda! Good to see you speaking out
Don’t mind the CBC, they’re a bought & paid for federal liberal propaganda machine! Keep up the good fight Miranda!!
Guss McKinney The CBC is still governed by a Harper appointed board of directors.
except for when they're a bought & paid for federal Conservative propaganda machine!
This is ridiculous and a shining example of what’s wrong with journalism today.
There is nothing wrong with journalism today. The problem is social media.
Once again, blame it on the liberals! That's like what, number two out of the three CON responses!!
‘Not creating literal concentration camps’ ... strange you add ‘literal’ in there. Can’t you just say ‘The federal government is not creating any concentration camps’. That’s much clearer.
Leave it to the left to split hairs over this. They always try to isolate and criticize their ideological opponent for no reason. Classic Marxist move. No place for that in Alberta. I’m with you Miranda.
You have done a terrible thing spreading misinformation, especially during a pandemic. Shame on You.
Shame in you for perpetuating conspiracy theories. Get real.
Now you know how we all feel about the lying CBC....take it with the same grain of salt we all do....we ALL know CBC is done.
Tina Fox
you've got to be kidding. It's the only reliable Canadian source out there with trained journalists. Postmedia is owned by the AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE RIGHT with some extremely questionable writers..I've fact checked their articles numerous times...and more often than not they are misleading or poorly research/bias.
You have an absolute phenomenal ability to try to turn everything into a "look at me...... feel sorry for me moment"...
SMH
The point of the article is TO highlight how absolutely
insane you are. And lacking in intelligence......
But you score really high on deception...... knavery, trickery.
No more tax dollars for CBC.
If you are Jewish, why were you handing out hams at Easter?
Shame on you for your remarks. They were no accident.
Your response was screen shotted. The "Issues Manager" advising you to pivot the issue and frame it as a failure to correct the terminology "concentration camp" is not going to work.
You said: "If the rumours are true, those are being set up by the Federal Government, and not us."
THAT is perpetuating a harmful conspiracy theory, in a pandemic, with potentially deadly consequences.
It is of THAT remark that you should be ashamed.
CBC has been going to trash this year and this adds to the mess they continually make. Its American style journalism. We have to be on this and thank you for calling them out. If you are saying Federal gov is creating concentration camps you need to leave the public arena. Now.
Lin Heidt
no, Postmedia is OWNED by American Conservatives and if you read their rags are very poor at journalism. CBC may be considered more "liberal" but they aren't as bias to the right as these other publications cropping up out of the states or online.
Sounds like concentration camps
No. What is PATHETIC is the denial and the BUT if true! Then it "isn't us! It is the Fed Libs!"""
WHAT UTTER ROT!!!!
The CBC is a joke, and they only distort to promote their agenda for Trudeau. The concern about the internment camps is very legit. Very sketchy and needs to be looked into deeply. Justin has close ties to George Soros who is not favorable to Jews or Christians so definitely what you need to keep your eye on!
Stop your witch hunt. Miranda has done nothing wrong. By the way, I wonder why Randy Hillier was kicked out of Toronto Parliament for asking about the RFP the very ethical Trudeau sent out to build these “facilities”. It’s difficult to understand how people could be suspicious of what their governments might be doing when they are being locked down repeatedly and have no freedom and their businesses are not being allowed to operate, huge fines levied, children wearing masks (I thought children rarely caught this), police brutality happening, censoring of dissenting opinions on Facebook (very democratic) and the MSM reporting only one side of the story. I guess they’re all just Conspiracy Theorists.
WE know the liberals have something to hide and Randy was making them uncomfortable in one of their plans.
Jonny David
I don’t support that. That’s not what my comment was about.
You can't trust the CBC for balanced reporting. They are lazy and biased.
Devin Hauswirth
She said it. It was irresponsible. The CBC reported what she said. They did their job perfectly.
We need to wake up people. They are building concentration camps(re education facilities) for people who do not believe in the virus. We arein germnay 1945 right now. This is insanity. For a virus that is less deadly then the lockdowns themselves.
This is and was a part of agenda 21.
"This is insanity" Yep...believing unfounded, divisive, crap IS insanity.
Lost is the art of one to one communication, did a reporter even attempt to chat to you about your post? Probably not, because then they couldn't sleep at night writing the garbage that they do.
Chandra Nick
i guess you didnt read the article. It states that they did reach out but received no reply from Miranda or anyone else in her office.
Jay Michael
I did read, but yeah must have missed that part, theory still applies though.
So it said she wasn't immediately available. So they tried once? Maybe she was immediately busy?
Chandra Nick
the theory that they didnt bother to reach out?
They arent the rebel. They actually do try to get the story from all perspectives.
Jay Michael
at least the Rebel, usually shows up on someone's doorstep for comments trying to get one as media shuns them. Not a fan, but at least they do show up in front of people)
Chris Schnurr sounds like an out, they called and expected her to just cancel what she was doing to come to the phone immediately? And then dropped the story? Or did they drop the story and then they to call?
Shannan Frey
did you even read my other comments on this thread? If you are going to troll, try comprehension as well.
The government should stay out of Covid. They have no right to legislate personal choice or behavior. There are no over run hospital or Healthcare crisis, and people die every single day from non legislated preventable causes. Let us get back to life and get the libtards out of power before our country becomes even more of a pathetic welfare case.
Pretty funny to see your comment in the context of your profile picture showing a sea of mindless stormtroopers who historically miss their shot!
Jordan Furness
that is a reach for sure, but at least I can proudly say that I EARNED every dollar I spent to build that suit. And you have to admit, it looks freaking cool! And as a side note, if you watch much of the expanded universe of Star Wars, you would know that Storm troopers are actually quite accurate in their aim. On the death star they were not meaning to kill Luke and Leia, they were hearding them, as Vader sensed Luke's Power and wanted to confront him in order to determine his origins as a way to prevent another Jedi Uprising against the Empire. Yes, I am a nerd!
Jonny David if OUR taxes were properly appropriated towards services and rather than inflated beurocracy, creating corporate red tape and campaigns of public misinformation, then we wouldn't have to be concerned with our taxes going up. Alberta already has one of the largest public health expenditures of all of the Canadian provinces per capita, we just spend way too much of it on special interests and unnecessary services. Which is why the UCP reviews of our Healthcare system, and the idea of shifting certain services such as janitorial to the private sector. Large government and civil servant bodies intentionally create bloated expenditures in order to justify larger funding year over year. Its paramount to printing money for themselves, and we all pay for it. Rather than focus on creating efficiencies in providing service, they add more money to their budgets and expect us to foot the bill.
Again, large government just creates large problem.
Jonny David and again, hospitals are not in any danger of being overwhelmed, they have had almost a year to prepare for it. The only burden being placed due to this covid scare is on the people who either can't go to work, or can't be provided proper service. My son couldn't even go see a doctor about an infection because they told him he needed a Covid test before he could even get in the door, now he has to wait 3-5 days, with a possible strep infection pending the results of a test before he can get treatment. So while 600 ICU beds sit open and waiting to treat these horribly inflicted Covid victims, my son suffers with a real medical issue? That is the reality of this covid nightmare. Not the virus itself, but everyone's media and government fed paranoia.
Paul Townsend
I'm sorry, I did not know and would not criticize such a cool homemade suit! I was actually meaning to reference the background photo you have showing the fleet of stormtroopers. I am also a Star Wars novice and may be remembering Family Guy's various commentaries on Star Wars more than the stormtroopers true record of achievement!
Jordan Furness
oh, the Background photo! If you look closely you can see the one stormtroopers who is holding what looks to be a bag of popcorn. That is me. Lol
Extremely disappointed to read the suggestion of concentration camps might be set up by the Federal government. An elected official should use better judgment when making random off-handed comments that aren't based on reality.
We need a law that forces politicians complete a minimum of an MBA to be able to hold office.
Miranda were talking about a taxpayer funded, complete opposite of credible reporting, there not worth your time, or obviously anyone else’s either. They have a 12% viewership. My granddaughters home plays have a bigger audience
What the hell is wrong with you? Stop feeding in to misinformation and nonsense. Every day that goes by where the people of Fort McMurray are unemployed and struggling is a fail for your government. We elected you do to BETTER. Stop fucking failing us and blaming others. That's NOT leadership. It's pure bullshit.
Top Fan Liberal degree journalism. Thank god the generation watching this happen will grow up and get rid of these fake journalists swiftly.
Robert Ede
Thank god young people are abandoning the conservative party.
Top Fan Garrell Clark
that's why the UCP win a landslide majority, with a historic turnout of young voter???????????
Better check the polls now.
Top Fan Alright now this is getting fking funny!!
Why not solve this by hitting some golf balls at a cardboard cut out of Trudope or Notley?!! That outta show everyone how fking mature you lot are, and how much you oppose cyber bullying?
Maybe a meet and greet with the Soldiers of Odin?
A fundraiser to break Don McIntyre out of jail after getting caught for fking around with a ten year old girl and telling her it was god’s wish???! UCP’s founding father.
This is just the democrats MK Ultra hangover! They’ll come around eventually.
You are doing a great job Miranda!
Miranda, the victim...again
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Thanks for that I did not discover it until now
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Everyone knows CBC is the Liberal propaganda machine that spews venom and fake news.
That's funny because for years they were the Conservative propaganda machine. I have never seen 'fake news' on the CBC.
He may be thinking of the conservative propaganda machine Rebel News or ant Post Media outlet.
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