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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/covid-19-campbellton-hospital-staff-unsafe-protocols-1.5616562
· CBC News· Posted: Jun 18, 2020 6:00 AM AT
jacques laviolette
Yes , where is the minister of health, when missing after is fiasco with closing ER at some hospital, people in region 5 are treated like we all have the virus when traveling outside region 5, more than 98% of residents in region 5 DON'T HAVE VIRUS, but
Mr Premier and Dr Rusell keep saying don't leave region 5
David Amos
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/covid-19-campbellton-hospital-staff-unsafe-protocols-1.5616562
'It's not safe': Campbellton hospital staff troubled by working conditions amid COVID-19 outbreak
3 employees say protocols not strong enough, staff denied extra PPE
· CBC News· Posted: Jun 18, 2020 6:00 AM AT
jacques laviolette
Yes , where is the minister of health, when missing after is fiasco with closing ER at some hospital, people in region 5 are treated like we all have the virus when traveling outside region 5, more than 98% of residents in region 5 DON'T HAVE VIRUS, but
Mr Premier and Dr Rusell keep saying don't leave region 5
David Amos
Reply to @jacques laviolette: Methinks the reason Teddy don't call and don't write me since before he was first elected years ago is because that lawyer never loved me N'esy Pas?
Reply to @jacques laviolette: this is why borders need to be opened, this is why grandma in Amherst should be allowed seeing grandchild in sackville, no virus anywhere near that area
Methinks Higgy et al must agree that the plot thickens on a daily basis N'esy Pas?
Reply to @David Amos:
He certainly seems to be staggering from one disaster to the next disaster?
Though, I'm *thinking* it is an Irving management style?
I worked with another X-Irving manager and that was his management style too.
He certainly seems to be staggering from one disaster to the next disaster?
Though, I'm *thinking* it is an Irving management style?
I worked with another X-Irving manager and that was his management style too.
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Yup
Reply to @David Amos: well said
Gilles Lanteigne's office should be relocated to the centre of the area in the Campbellton hospital where the Covid-19 cases are treated. All of the staff's concerns about improved working conditions would be met and exceeded THE VERY NEXT DAY. Clearly, the problem right now is that there are no "important" people involved in the situation there, so why should they bother fixing all these issues just to save a few people from Northern NB?
Reply to @Jody Guidry:
You are making a pretty big assumption there.
Who's to say Gilles Lanteigne is "important"?
(Those patronage positions were only created as a cut off between politicians and operations, a highly paid scapegoat)
You are making a pretty big assumption there.
Who's to say Gilles Lanteigne is "important"?
(Those patronage positions were only created as a cut off between politicians and operations, a highly paid scapegoat)
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Furthermore Gilles Lanteigne is quitting his fancy job
Reply to @David Amos:
Happy Trails...............
Happy Trails...............
Supplies required for safety and policies should be Public knowledge and adherence to the rules need to be mandatory and evidence of same provided online.
The secrecy is disgusting these days.
The secrecy is disgusting these days.
Reply to @Donald Gallant: Secrecy is a strategic tool which benefits a small number. Used in conjunction with compartmentalization of information flow to keep the right hand from understanding the movements of the left. The best countermeasure is to shine a bright light and forced accountability.
Reply to @Donald Gallant: Surprise Surprise Surprise
Reply to @Chris .: Chris who?
Terry Tibbs
Our ENTIRE health system is built on trust. As patients we trust that any hospital we go to will make their best effort to heal us. The healers employed by that hospital trust their employer will provide a safe place with the right tools and supplies to get their job of healing done.
When the system breaks, through lack of trust, we are ALL in trouble.
When the system breaks, through lack of trust, we are ALL in trouble.
Tony Mcalbey
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: True. Leadership starts at the top. High time for ms Russell to resign. Her words for past months have been just that, just words. Higgy needs to step up too
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey:
Wait a minute, you are mistaken, please stop and think.
A hospital employee has 3 avenues to redress unsafe working conditions:
1) Through their boss, who would go to the hospital administrator, to the head of Vitality, ultimately to the Minister of Health (anybody heard from, or seen, him lately?)
2) WorkSafe NB
3) Their Union
When a wildcard situation exists, and they are ignored by those 3 avenues, then they go to the media, which should result in what you see here.
Wait a minute, you are mistaken, please stop and think.
A hospital employee has 3 avenues to redress unsafe working conditions:
1) Through their boss, who would go to the hospital administrator, to the head of Vitality, ultimately to the Minister of Health (anybody heard from, or seen, him lately?)
2) WorkSafe NB
3) Their Union
When a wildcard situation exists, and they are ignored by those 3 avenues, then they go to the media, which should result in what you see here.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks its interesting that you are asking this "Tony" dude to think N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
This kind of stuff was taught in school, or at least it was where I went to school, though in NB who knows? You couldn't ask the Minister of Education, because I pretty sure he doesn't know what is going on.
It's all very Pythonesque.
We also don't know how poisonous the workplace is, either way the Union, or the floor supervisor, should have made the trip to the Hospital Administrator's office with employee concerns.
This kind of stuff was taught in school, or at least it was where I went to school, though in NB who knows? You couldn't ask the Minister of Education, because I pretty sure he doesn't know what is going on.
It's all very Pythonesque.
We also don't know how poisonous the workplace is, either way the Union, or the floor supervisor, should have made the trip to the Hospital Administrator's office with employee concerns.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Trust that you would be amazed at the fun I am having today with Big Pharma
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey:
This is not on Russell however this is on Langeigne and the Vitalite Health Care.... Want to be answerable to no one and not adhere to the protocol in place and this is what you end up with..
This is not on Russell however this is on Langeigne and the Vitalite Health Care.... Want to be answerable to no one and not adhere to the protocol in place and this is what you end up with..
Lou Bell
Appears ignorance is the number one policy Vitalite' has in place at this Hospital ! Where's their MLA on this ? He should be questioning Vitalite" policy as this appears to be a problem in this one Hospital . Maybe they're " just too far away from Moncton " to really be bothering with !
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Lou Bell:
Please try a little harder Lou.
It is the Minister of Health that is DIRECTLY responsible. (You know that guy, as of late, has been missing in action since the big Higgs shuffle on hospital closings).
All ant MLA can do is inquire at the Minister's office, which is more than likely result in nothing, the MLA being a Liberal, and the Minister, well, who knows what the missing in action Minister is about?
Please try a little harder Lou.
It is the Minister of Health that is DIRECTLY responsible. (You know that guy, as of late, has been missing in action since the big Higgs shuffle on hospital closings).
All ant MLA can do is inquire at the Minister's office, which is more than likely result in nothing, the MLA being a Liberal, and the Minister, well, who knows what the missing in action Minister is about?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: BINGO
Christopher J Cusack
Dear Mr Vitalité CEO Gilles Lanteigne, your frontline workers are much more apprised to how procedures play out, you should listen to them.
David Amos
Reply to @Christopher J Cusack: Oh So True
Reply to @David Amos:
Both you guys are mistaken. Gilles Lanteigne's patronage position is that of sacrificial lamb. He is the disconnect between operations and politicians. If operations go south he wears it keeping the Minister of Health's hands clean.
Both you guys are mistaken. Gilles Lanteigne's patronage position is that of sacrificial lamb. He is the disconnect between operations and politicians. If operations go south he wears it keeping the Minister of Health's hands clean.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Nope Methinks the buck stops with Higgy the dude who oversees Teddy Lanteigne is just a clever dude who is getting gone while the getting is good N'esy Pas?
Reply to @David Amos:
Do you know what happened to our Minister of Health? I trust he wasn't in a fatal car accident, or something? Maybe he doesn't love us any more?
Do you know what happened to our Minister of Health? I trust he wasn't in a fatal car accident, or something? Maybe he doesn't love us any more?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks that lawyer never loved me for obvious reasons N'esy Pas?
James Smythe
Are we sure we can’t cut their PPE supplies at least a little bit more, so that we can afford to give Irving an even bigger tax break? Apparently air conditioning in Bermuda isn’t cheap during the hot summer months. Have some compassion you guys, multibillionaires are too warm.
David Amos
Reply to @James Smythe: Well put
Dave Corbin
Why are hospital administrators more interested in silencing workers concerns than addressing those concerns as a outbreak occurs in this hospital?
Reply to @Dave Corbin: And why did Lanteigne tell CBC yesterday that the new cases had to do with healthcare workers, "Not being much on their guards as they should be"? He further said that because healthcare workers are tired and stressed, they "just go back to their normal habits and put down their guard." He blamed everything on the workers. Now we're hearing that the workers weren't given the resources they needed.
Reply to @Dave Corbin: Lanteigne, yesterday: "He believes a number of factors contributed to this, including health-care workers taking breaks together throughout their shifts." Workers, today: "COVID-19 unit staff were told to have take breaks inside a small office, where a two-metre distance could not be met — a break room that was used by at least one staff member who has tested positive, one employee says."
Reply to @Dave Corbin: money
David Amos
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: Methinks everything political is always about the money everybody knows that N'esy Pas?
SarahRose Werner
The state of emergency was declared three months ago. Hospitals were supposed to have gotten ready to deal with the first wave of COVID-19. Now we're finding out that they apparently aren't ready at all. It's pure luck that the first wave wasn't worse than it was! I suspect that the problems we're seeing at the Campbellton Regional aren't limited to that one hospital and rather reflect the state of preparedness - or lack thereof - in hospitals across the province.
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Ms. Russell and Higgy said the province health system is prepared. This is results of their preparedness.
Let’s open borders and everything up, the nonsense has gone on long enough.
Let’s open borders and everything up, the nonsense has gone on long enough.
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: How does opening the borders improve the preparedness of the hospitals?
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: it doesn’t
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: Sorry Tony , ignorance is not an option ! Any other , more sensible suggestions ?
Bruce Normand
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: I would not waste anytime replying to SarahRose….it must be sad to look forward to these stories to be posted so that she can jump in.....if she ever went into hiding, one sure way to get her to come out would be by posting a NB Covid story! LOL
David Amos
Reply to @Bruce Normand: Methinks the lady doesn't care what many of think N'esy Pas?
Bruce Normand
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks that if you are going to have a catch phrase, that you at least use the proper spelling, n'est ce pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Bruce Normand: Methinks you do not understand Chiac or how the Internet works N'esy Pas?
Bruce Normand
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks I know enough about chiac to say that your butchering of a perfectly useful french phrase is not part of that dialect, so that is the first portion answered. In terms of the second, you appear to have much more practice than I, based on your recent activity, so perhaps you could enlighten me? Or, no, scotch that. No need.
is staff still working shifts then travelling home to all corners of the province?
Reply to @Toby Tolly:
And probably not just this province.
And probably not just this province.
Reply to @Toby Tolly: yes as per the case in Fredericton. But a grandma in Amherst can’t visit her grandchild over in sackville NB for an afternoon.
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: Healthcare workers being available to provide healthcare benefits everyone in that health zone. Grandma's visit benefits two people, grandma and grandchild.
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: your point ?
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: She just made it . too bad you can't understand it .
Reply to @Lou Bell: lightweight
David Amos
Reply to @Tony Mcalbey: Methinks Higgy et al knows I am a Grandpa who can't visit his daughter and grandchildren in Amherst on Fathers Day and he don't care N'esy Pas?
if the CEO of the health unit says things are good and the employees provide evidence to show they are not it is a good thing he has resigned but why not make his departure immediate?
David Amos
Reply to @Corrie Weatherfield: BINGO
Reply to @Corrie Weatherfield:
And who would you suggest take over the position ? Perhaps Brian Gallant would like to return to the province ? No wait.... Victor Boudreau would fit right in and fix the mess no problem..
And who would you suggest take over the position ? Perhaps Brian Gallant would like to return to the province ? No wait.... Victor Boudreau would fit right in and fix the mess no problem..
I was in Fredericton on the weekend at the Blue Canoe and there were cars from Ontario and I was behind them when they went into the restaurant no mask no questions asked and when I went back outside the men where talking about how easy it was to get across the N.B. border so if we allow people in the virus will spread.I think that people that cross our borders should have to sign a paper with address ,where they are going and how long they are staying because N.B. will be in trouble ..
Reply to @Belinda Anderson: So why didn't you take their plate numbers and report them if you were so concerned ? And how were you close enough to get in on their conversation ? Or was this just a fabrication to make some kind of point ?
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks some folks say snitches get stitches I say they should just get sued N'esy Pas?
WorksafeNB needs to close that Campbellton hospital if Vitalité can't operate it safely.
Reply to @Rob Belyea: Which would then require shipping COVID-19 patients from Zone 5 to hospitals in other zones.
David Amos
Reply to @Rob Belyea: Oh My methinks that taking things a little too far N'esy Pas?
This is what happens when journalists give terrified staff the floor without understanding the science: fogging glasses aren’t a sign that you can “breathe in droplets”... it means water vapor is escaping from your mask as it should, for example. The PPE protocols are sound, when followed. But they’re also exhausting to follow for months on end, and “shortcuts” become commonplace by staff just to help us get through. This is a good reminder to stay vigilant.
Reply to @Holly Mossing: Maybe the staff need some refreshers on PPE from staff educators.
David Amos
Reply to @Jake Quinlan: Good point
These are unionized employees, society needs to remember this when people start attacking unions again.
Reply to @Winston Gray: Not rhetorical, but can you explain the relevance of unionized employees vs. non-unionized in this situation ?
Reply to @Jake Quinlan: I just want people to remember this moment that unions can try to protect workers, but they often can't.
There are a lot of anti-unionists who think that unions are more powerful than they are, are more rich than they are, and are the cause of all our problems.
In the reality Unions help workers and restore the balance.
There are a lot of anti-unionists who think that unions are more powerful than they are, are more rich than they are, and are the cause of all our problems.
In the reality Unions help workers and restore the balance.
David Amos
Reply to @Winston Gray: Dream on
There seems to be a systemic issue with Vitalité and it's operation of the Campbellton Regional Hospital and adjacent psychiatric hospital (Restigouche hospital centre) In the last 12 -18 month we have heard through media about proposed half a BILLION dollar Class Action law suit against RHC, the Campbellton ER, obstetrics and other standard services closing for various reasons since the Fall, the apparent internal operational disagreements and resignations within the Board of Directors for Vitalite apparently related to Campbellton operations, the Ombudsmen report detailing concerning issues within the RHC regarding care of patients, deaths of patients within the psychiatric hospital and now COVID related concerns (infections, locums.)
Soothing eloquent sounding words are cheap and superficial statistics are easily tweaked and massaged so as to present a positive narrative for the sender of the message.
How exactly does Vitalité explain the apparent large number of staff infected from a relatively small number of known COVID cases in hospital (many other hospitals in Canada to compare to on this?). You can't simply say 'we are confident in our approach' while at the same time taking severe steps like CLOSING the emergency services and large chunks of the hospital and shipping emergency cases to an adjacent Region. It doesn't add up.
At some point, this organization requires external objective review. As a taxpayer I am appalled that this has been permitted to continue as long as It has.
If the powers that be are unwilling to initiate such a review - then I would ask: what critical event(s) must happen before you will consider this?
To zone 5 front line staff with the courage to speak out, thank you.
Soothing eloquent sounding words are cheap and superficial statistics are easily tweaked and massaged so as to present a positive narrative for the sender of the message.
How exactly does Vitalité explain the apparent large number of staff infected from a relatively small number of known COVID cases in hospital (many other hospitals in Canada to compare to on this?). You can't simply say 'we are confident in our approach' while at the same time taking severe steps like CLOSING the emergency services and large chunks of the hospital and shipping emergency cases to an adjacent Region. It doesn't add up.
At some point, this organization requires external objective review. As a taxpayer I am appalled that this has been permitted to continue as long as It has.
If the powers that be are unwilling to initiate such a review - then I would ask: what critical event(s) must happen before you will consider this?
To zone 5 front line staff with the courage to speak out, thank you.
Reply to @Luna Of Of the Stars: Where there's signs of smoke there is usually fire.
Looking at it in a general sense there certainly seems to be a problem or multiple problems. Regional? Local? Management? Clinical? Staffing? Infrastructure?
The question is what are they and how confident are we that any potentially problematic system is able to adequately and objectively assess and fix itself. In general, those systems which help create and perpetuate a problem are usually poor candidates for fixing said problem!!
What is clear is that taxpayers continue to fund this situation. Lets hope it is money well spent.
Looking at it in a general sense there certainly seems to be a problem or multiple problems. Regional? Local? Management? Clinical? Staffing? Infrastructure?
The question is what are they and how confident are we that any potentially problematic system is able to adequately and objectively assess and fix itself. In general, those systems which help create and perpetuate a problem are usually poor candidates for fixing said problem!!
What is clear is that taxpayers continue to fund this situation. Lets hope it is money well spent.
Reply to @Chris .: I wonder if those "in charge" of the other hospitals around NB say a little thank you to their deity of choice each night that their building has been spared.....lol. I would :-)
David Amos
Reply to @Luna Of Of the Stars: Do you register to vote with that name???
David Amos
Reply to @Jake Quinlan: What if they have no deity to thank?
Terry Tibbs
Aren't we forgetting somebody?
If a place of work is unsafe, isn't that determination up to WorkSafe NB?
Might as well get ALL concerned/should be concerned involved?
If a place of work is unsafe, isn't that determination up to WorkSafe NB?
Might as well get ALL concerned/should be concerned involved?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Surely you jest
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
Might just as well throw some more confused sorta government employees at it?
Might just as well throw some more confused sorta government employees at it?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I concur
There are too many inferior grades of "surgical masks". They are a very deregulated product and even the top-of-the-line surgical mask does not come close to filtering airborne particulate as per a 3M respiratory protector. I would not work in a Covid-19 infected workplace without a daily supply of N-95 masks at my side.
David Amos
Reply to @Derek Grant: Exactly
doug kirby
Seems someone hasn’t stayed in the loop with the mask requirement. It’s been stated since the beginning which masks must be used. So public health obviously make their own rules up. Here is another example of staff stating their concern but those in charge decide they aren’t exactly telling the truth..this is the exact same atmosphere that’s happened in all long term care homes...someone on the outside are basically telling staff it’s good enough what safety precautions your allowed to take...N.S. did the same with Northwood...their public health called the employees fear mongers...so good luck workers...your on your own however you can do it...be the voice for those affected
David Amos
Reply to @doug kirby: Well put
Someone in charge of the Campbellton hospital should loose their high paying job.
Campbellton lives matter.
Campbellton lives matter.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Bill Hamilton:
An interesting thought.
Just who is in "charge" at ANY hospital you visit? The "healers", or the politically appointed desk operating do nothings? Maybe a combination of both? If it is a combination how is it weighted? There is a major problem here (and I think in most hospitals), there also seems to be many secrets.
An interesting thought.
Just who is in "charge" at ANY hospital you visit? The "healers", or the politically appointed desk operating do nothings? Maybe a combination of both? If it is a combination how is it weighted? There is a major problem here (and I think in most hospitals), there also seems to be many secrets.
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Well put.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks Teddy and his boss Higgy are the dudes in charge lately N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
And neither one fit to be put in charge of a push-bike.
And neither one fit to be put in charge of a push-bike.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Where did Jake go?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: BTW I just got another interesting call this time it was from a former MLA about something I was dealing with a couple of days ago