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Methinks Ray Oliver et al know that his hero Higgy does not care if the RCMP clues in or not just as long as he keeps spinning his nonsense N'esy Pas?
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-dominic-cardy-vaccination-bill-1.5567980
· CBC News· Posted: May 13, 2020 3:14 PM AT
Dominic Cardy said he believes the spread of the coronavirus and its impact on society has driven home the importance of vaccines. (Paul Vernon/The Associated Press)
New Brunswick's education minister says his contentious bill on mandatory vaccinations for school children will be back up for debate and a final vote when the legislature reconvenes later this month.
Dominic Cardy says the COVID-19 pandemic has highlighted the importance of vaccinations and he's optimistic that will help ensure passage of the legislation before the summer.
"We're ready to go to have a last discussion in the legislature and then a final vote, so I'm certainly optimistic it'll get passed and we can get ready to implement it in September 2021," he said.
"It's certainly my hope and it's on the order paper and I'm optimistic it will pass."
Cardy, who has gained national media attention for his early moves on COVID-19, said he believes the spread of the coronavirus and its impact on society has driven home the importance of vaccines.
"A bill for school-age children seems like common sense at this point in a way that perhaps it might not have a year or so ago," he said.
Education minister Dominic Cardy said he is optimistic the bill on making vaccinations mandatory for children who attend public schools will pass before the summer. (Maria Jose Burgos)
Cardy's bill was introduced long before the COVID-19 pandemic and has no specific reference to the coronavirus, for which no vaccine is expected to exist until next year.
The bill would eliminate philosophical, religious and other non-medical exemptions from an existing requirement that all school children be vaccinated. Children not vaccinated for any reason other than health concerns would not be allowed to go to public schools starting in the fall of 2021.
Cardy pointed out that when he introduced the bill a year ago, he spoke about New Brunswickers being lucky to live at a time "where death and disability from infectious diseases is something we've largely been able to forget.
"Of course that's not the world we're in any more, and no one's going to forget the last few months," he said. "I think the importance of vaccines has become a lot more central in people's minds. … Look at what a world without a vaccine for one disease looks like."
In the wake of those hearings, some MLAs from all four parties in the legislature said they were undecided whether to support the bill.
Cardy responded with a new version of the bill last November that includes the use of the notwithstanding clause from the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
That would exempt the bill from a Charter challenge on a number of grounds, including sections that guarantee freedom of religion.
He said if the clause is removed from the bill, Liberal MLAs will be allowed to vote their consciences on the bill. In that circumstance, he said the legislation will probably have enough combined Progressive Conservative and Liberal support to pass.
"This pandemic sheds more light on the need for vaccinations and it could very well increase public support for vaccinations," McKee said.
MLAs from the Green and People's Alliance parties also said last fall they were uncomfortable with the use of the notwithstanding clause.
Alliance Leader Kris Austin and MLA Michelle Conroy said through a spokesperson Wednesday they still have those concerns. Colleague Rick DeSaulniers declined to comment.
Cardy said Wednesday while the province will "use every power to ensure the health and safety of our students," it is "open" to removing the clause.
Without a majority, the PC government can't pass legislation without support from other parties.
His bill was linked to plans by Public Health to develop a more comprehensive vaccination registry in time for when the bill would take effect in the fall of 2021.
"One of the things I tried to build in was a good amount of lag time for unexpected events," he said, adding that a vaccination registry will probably be a high priority because of the coronavirus. "I have no reason to expect we won't be fully ready to go by September 2021."
101Comments
David Amos
Methinks Ray Oliver et al know that his hero Higgy does not care if the RCMP clues in or not just as long as he keeps spinning his nonsense N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Surprise Surprise Surprise
Terry Tibbs
Just when you *thought* the worm had crawled into the apple and was happily asleep.
David Amos
David Peters
Forced vaccinations have a questionable history...to put it mildly...and big pharma lobbies gov't big time...with politicians and health officials gaining financially.
This file stinks more and more the closer you look at it...on multiple levels.
David Amos
Dave Corbin
Why would you vaccinate the youth? they don't develop symptoms. their own immunity systems can be used instead. Keep the kids free of junk.
Tim Biddiscombe
Billy Joe Mcallister
A furtherance of the current assault on the constitution and the Canadian bill of rights and freedoms. These guys are tripp'in on the political version of mushrooms
David Amos
Reply to @Brandon Manitoba: Methinks you forgot to log back in as Ray Oliver N'esy Pas?
David Amos
David Peters
Has Cardy been lobbied by vaccine makers?
Joseph Vacher
Rob Mason
With all the talk around an eventual vaccine for COVID 19 and the fact if you don't get it, travel and other freedoms may be curtailed so as to stop the spread; the same logic applies to vaccinations required for children to attend school.
David Amos
Tim Morton
Alright, just create a registry and tell those kids who are not vaccinated to stay home during outbreaks. Why does this problem have to be so complicated?
Fred Brewer
Tom Simmons
So what will the protocol for those that don't want to take it....gulag?
Fred Brewer
Bob Smith
One good thing about the timing for this is New Brunswickers can decide this for themselves without opponents flying in from all over North America to rail against this.
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks Ray Oliver et al know that his hero Higgy does not care if the RCMP clues in or not just as long as he keeps spinning his nonsense N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/05/cardy-hopes-to-pass-contentious.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-dominic-cardy-vaccination-bill-1.5567980
Cardy hopes to pass contentious vaccination bill by summer
Education minister optimistic COVID-19 pandemic raised awareness of importance of vaccines
· CBC News· Posted: May 13, 2020 3:14 PM AT
Dominic Cardy said he believes the spread of the coronavirus and its impact on society has driven home the importance of vaccines. (Paul Vernon/The Associated Press)
New Brunswick's education minister says his contentious bill on mandatory vaccinations for school children will be back up for debate and a final vote when the legislature reconvenes later this month.
Dominic Cardy says the COVID-19 pandemic has highlighted the importance of vaccinations and he's optimistic that will help ensure passage of the legislation before the summer.
"We're ready to go to have a last discussion in the legislature and then a final vote, so I'm certainly optimistic it'll get passed and we can get ready to implement it in September 2021," he said.
"It's certainly my hope and it's on the order paper and I'm optimistic it will pass."
Cardy, who has gained national media attention for his early moves on COVID-19, said he believes the spread of the coronavirus and its impact on society has driven home the importance of vaccines.
"A bill for school-age children seems like common sense at this point in a way that perhaps it might not have a year or so ago," he said.
Education minister Dominic Cardy said he is optimistic the bill on making vaccinations mandatory for children who attend public schools will pass before the summer. (Maria Jose Burgos)
Cardy's bill was introduced long before the COVID-19 pandemic and has no specific reference to the coronavirus, for which no vaccine is expected to exist until next year.
The bill would eliminate philosophical, religious and other non-medical exemptions from an existing requirement that all school children be vaccinated. Children not vaccinated for any reason other than health concerns would not be allowed to go to public schools starting in the fall of 2021.
Cardy pointed out that when he introduced the bill a year ago, he spoke about New Brunswickers being lucky to live at a time "where death and disability from infectious diseases is something we've largely been able to forget.
"Of course that's not the world we're in any more, and no one's going to forget the last few months," he said. "I think the importance of vaccines has become a lot more central in people's minds. … Look at what a world without a vaccine for one disease looks like."
MLAs undecided after hearings
An earlier version of the bill had public support but was harshly criticized by anti-vaccination activists who testified during three days of committee hearings last summer.In the wake of those hearings, some MLAs from all four parties in the legislature said they were undecided whether to support the bill.
One national anti-vaccination organization threatened to challenge the constitutionality of the legislation if it passed.
Cardy responded with a new version of the bill last November that includes the use of the notwithstanding clause from the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
That would exempt the bill from a Charter challenge on a number of grounds, including sections that guarantee freedom of religion.
Liberal party position unchanged
The Opposition Liberals said they opposed use of the notwithstanding clause and would vote as a bloc against the bill unless it was removed. Moncton Centre Liberal MLA Rob McKee said that's still the party's position.He said if the clause is removed from the bill, Liberal MLAs will be allowed to vote their consciences on the bill. In that circumstance, he said the legislation will probably have enough combined Progressive Conservative and Liberal support to pass.
"This pandemic sheds more light on the need for vaccinations and it could very well increase public support for vaccinations," McKee said.
McKee said the bill doesn't need to use the notwithstanding clause to resist a constitutional challenge, though Premier Blaine Higgs said last fall the province's legal advice was that the legislation would be struck down without it.
MLAs from the Green and People's Alliance parties also said last fall they were uncomfortable with the use of the notwithstanding clause.
Alliance Leader Kris Austin and MLA Michelle Conroy said through a spokesperson Wednesday they still have those concerns. Colleague Rick DeSaulniers declined to comment.
Cardy said Wednesday while the province will "use every power to ensure the health and safety of our students," it is "open" to removing the clause.
Without a majority, the PC government can't pass legislation without support from other parties.
Positive discussions
Cardy said he hasn't had time during the pandemic to canvass MLAs about where they stand now but said before it began there were "a lot of offline discussions that happened that I think were really positive."His bill was linked to plans by Public Health to develop a more comprehensive vaccination registry in time for when the bill would take effect in the fall of 2021.
He said he wasn't worried that the registry would be delayed because of Public Health officials dealing with the pandemic.
"One of the things I tried to build in was a good amount of lag time for unexpected events," he said, adding that a vaccination registry will probably be a high priority because of the coronavirus. "I have no reason to expect we won't be fully ready to go by September 2021."
101Comments
David Amos
Methinks Ray Oliver et al know that his hero Higgy does not care if the RCMP clues in or not just as long as he keeps spinning his nonsense N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Surprise Surprise Surprise
Terry Tibbs
Just when you *thought* the worm had crawled into the apple and was happily asleep.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks you thought wrong if you thought Cardy wanted to stay out of the limelight He pops just few butter tarts and his mouth goes into overdrive N'esy Pas?
David Peters
Forced vaccinations have a questionable history...to put it mildly...and big pharma lobbies gov't big time...with politicians and health officials gaining financially.
This file stinks more and more the closer you look at it...on multiple levels.
David Amos
Reply to @David Peters: Yup
Fred Brewer
Reply to @David Peters: So your allegation is that our government is on the take from Big Pharma? Proof please.
Tim Morton
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Umm, you know a few big Pharmaceutical companies have been to the province lobbying, right?
Tim Morton
Reply to @David Peters: it would be interesting if someone took a look at Cardy's involvement with Pharmaceutical companies. CTV did have a story on Canada's need for a Vaccine Injury program which was amazing, perhaps they could it. CBC doesn't seem to even know there's another side to this coin, or they don't touch it.
Dave Corbin
Why would you vaccinate the youth? they don't develop symptoms. their own immunity systems can be used instead. Keep the kids free of junk.
Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @Dave Corbin: For measles, chicken pox, polio, etc..not the virus.
Rob Mason
Reply to @Dave Corbin: So why don't we send them back to school, using your logic there should be no problem.
Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @Dave Corbin: You seem to be quite confused..
Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @Rob Mason: I think Dave ran away ;)
Rob Mason
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: All I try is to solicit opinions to foster discussion and debate. This place is notorious for one line partasin responses of no substance!
Joseph Vacher
Reply to @Dave Corbin: congrats, that might be the dumbest thing on the internet today
BruceJack Speculator
Reply to @Dave Corbin: Just bathe in javex and gargle clorox, problem solved
David Amos
Reply to @Dave Corbin: YO Dave Methinks your opinion matters every bit as much as Cardy's and his fans think theirs do N'esy Pas?
BruceJack Speculator
Reply to @David Amos: should we give opinions or measurable facts more value?
David Amos
Reply to @BruceJack Speculator: Absolutely measurable facts Starting with who are you really?
BruceJack Speculator
Reply to @David Amos: a profitable gold mine in northern BC
David Amos
Reply to @BruceJack Speculator: Methinks you just proved my point N'esy Pas?
Brandon Manitoba
Reply to @David Amos: You never prove a point. Only to the "voices" I bet.
Tim Morton
Reply to @BruceJack Speculator:
Fact: Canada has no vaccine injury court/system (https://www.ctvnews.ca/vaccine-compensation-program-overdue-experts-1.641855))
Fact: US Vaccine Injury Court total payout to petitions/plaintiffs: $4,027,385,399.60 (https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/data/data-statistics-report.pdf page 9)
The US Vaccine Injury Court awards money to plaintiffs/petitioners. Conclusion: The US Vaccine Injury Court believes that vaccines cause injury since they award the plaintiff/petitioners, thus vaccines do cause injury. If vaccines cause injury, Canadians pay taxes and have medicare. We have a right to have a vaccine injury compensation system and it's long overdue.
Fact: Canada has no vaccine injury court/system (https://www.ctvnews.ca/vaccine-compensation-program-overdue-experts-1.641855))
Fact: US Vaccine Injury Court total payout to petitions/plaintiffs: $4,027,385,399.60 (https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/data/data-statistics-report.pdf page 9)
The US Vaccine Injury Court awards money to plaintiffs/petitioners. Conclusion: The US Vaccine Injury Court believes that vaccines cause injury since they award the plaintiff/petitioners, thus vaccines do cause injury. If vaccines cause injury, Canadians pay taxes and have medicare. We have a right to have a vaccine injury compensation system and it's long overdue.
David Amos
Reply to @Brandon Manitoba: I repeat how do the opinions of anonymous critics count at all?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: So will you revert back to Ray Oliver or switch to Mr Jones or whomever you think you can fool me with???
Billy Joe Mcallister
A furtherance of the current assault on the constitution and the Canadian bill of rights and freedoms. These guys are tripp'in on the political version of mushrooms
Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: A conservative premier?
Billy Joe Mcallister
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Delusion comes freely to all who accept it
David Amos
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: Yup
Brandon Manitoba
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks youd know all about delusions. Nesy pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Methinks you forgot that you promised to sign something N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Ray Oliver: i made one comment about the dueling YouTubes and it all goes "Poof" Was that delusional???Fred Brewer
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: What will you argue next? Seatbelts and motorcycle helmets violate our constitution? What about the ban on smoking cigarettes? Is that a violation too?
David Amos
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: Methinks old Freddy and i are like oil and water N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Fred Brewer: YO Freddy where did the tread with the dueling YouTubes GO?
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Cigarette smokers should get about as much of our free healthcare as Old David does. Same as helmets. Don't wanna wear one be my guest. You're on your own for medical bills.
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Methinks you wish to make it blatantly obvious that you believes that its funny your hero Higgy denies my right to Health Care N'esy Pas?
Tim Morton
Reply to @Brandon Manitoba: I see you have an Alpine logo. Beer causes liver damage. So, my taxes are paying for your alcohol drinking and liver issues?
Brandon Manitoba
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Tim Morton: Right about now during the "police state" as it's known on here you're paying for alot of it. I'm just having a few to not get so worried about my "rights" and how they're never coming back. Sorry never joining that club of total pa ra noia.
David Amos
Reply to @Brandon Manitoba: Methinks you forgot to log back in as Ray Oliver N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Brandon Manitoba: How many Ids do you have???
David Peters
Has Cardy been lobbied by vaccine makers?
Joseph Vacher
Reply to @David Peters: no he is just using the information we have had available since about 1960
David Peters
Reply to @Joseph Vacher:
Are you referring to the 1976 swine flu forced vaccination fiasco?
Are you sure seven different vaccine makers haven't lobbied this gov't/public health officials?
Are you referring to the 1976 swine flu forced vaccination fiasco?
Are you sure seven different vaccine makers haven't lobbied this gov't/public health officials?
David Amos
Reply to @Joseph Vacher: Nope
Tim Morton
Reply to @David Peters: No they just registered in the province a few months ago because NB's an awesome place to visit in the fall. /sarcasm
Joseph Vacher
Reply to @David Peters: i dont miss smallpox, measles, or mumps. even gone to a third world country where there is no access to vaccines?
Tim Morton
Reply to @Joseph Vacher: how about this: if you go to a third world country, you get vaccinated, and you bring those unused vaccines from the 20% here in new brunswick and pass them out to those in that third world country you were in Joseph Vacher. Win win?
Rob Mason
With all the talk around an eventual vaccine for COVID 19 and the fact if you don't get it, travel and other freedoms may be curtailed so as to stop the spread; the same logic applies to vaccinations required for children to attend school.
David Amos
Reply to @Rob Mason: NONE of this is logical
Tim Morton
Reply to @Rob Mason: we'll cross that bridge when we get there. It might be a human rights issue if we become a prisoner of our own province.
Tim Morton
Alright, just create a registry and tell those kids who are not vaccinated to stay home during outbreaks. Why does this problem have to be so complicated?
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Tim Morton: By the time there is an outbreak it will be too late.
Joseph Vacher
Reply to @Tim Morton: the immune compromised should not pay the price for the ignorant
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Joseph Vacher:
Or: should the ignorant pay the price for the immune compromised?
Should our freedom to choose be taken away to benefit very few?
Or: should the ignorant pay the price for the immune compromised?
Should our freedom to choose be taken away to benefit very few?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Nope
Tim Morton
Reply to @Joseph Vacher: both groups think the other group is ignorant, since you didn't know. Some of us just usually aren't that direct or rude. If you read up on the material, you might learn something, but don't work too hard to educate yourself. Joseph Vacher, if vaccines don't cause injury, that means the vaccine injury court in the US never pays out, correct? Research it. Then research Canada's vaccine injury - oh wait, there is none.
Joseph Vacher
Reply to @Tim Morton: go to a cemetery and look at all the graves of children born before 1960. Then magically there are none. That it what vaccines brought.
Tim Morton
Reply to @Joseph Vacher: proof?
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Joseph Vacher:
If vaccines, as you claim, do no harm, only good, why are the makers of those vaccines exempt from taking responsibility for any damages they might cause?
If vaccines, as you claim, do no harm, only good, why are the makers of those vaccines exempt from taking responsibility for any damages they might cause?
Tom Simmons
So what will the protocol for those that don't want to take it....gulag?
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Tom Simmons: If you call home schooling or private schooling as gulag, then yes. It will be gulag for those who refuse vaccination.
Tom Simmons
Reply to @Fred Brewer: ok...also, this will turn into an annual vaccine?
Ray Oliver
Brandon Manitoba
Reply to @Tom Simmons: The funds for which in each region of our densely populated province for the small percentage who reject the vaccination comes from where? You mentioned a Gulag. Round em up build one school and community keep it cheap.
Billy Joe Mcallister
Reply to @Fred Brewer: It's the Jim Jones/Heavens Gate type...stuff!
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: "This is my real name. I'd be the first to sign"
Where are ya? I will bring a friend to witness your signature the next time a writ is dropped. Wouldn't it be a hoot if that truly is your name and that you are related to little Billy the dude who used to work for the the Speaker in 2004 when i was illegally barred from parliamentary properties 2 years before Higgy's blogging buddy Chucky was? Now little Billy Boy is Higgy's Minister overseeing potholes not only in Fundy Royal but throughout the province as well N'esy Pas?
Where are ya? I will bring a friend to witness your signature the next time a writ is dropped. Wouldn't it be a hoot if that truly is your name and that you are related to little Billy the dude who used to work for the the Speaker in 2004 when i was illegally barred from parliamentary properties 2 years before Higgy's blogging buddy Chucky was? Now little Billy Boy is Higgy's Minister overseeing potholes not only in Fundy Royal but throughout the province as well N'esy Pas?
Ray Oliver
Brandon Manitoba
Reply to @David Amos: "Illegally" barred.. I thought you were of strong legal mind. Beating that should've been a breeze.
David Amos
Reply to @Brandon Manitoba: Methinks you were Ray Oliver a minute ago N'esy Pas?
Bob Smith
One good thing about the timing for this is New Brunswickers can decide this for themselves without opponents flying in from all over North America to rail against this.
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Bob Smith: True, but the misinformed are guaranteed to flood social media and rail against all vaccinations
David Amos
Reply to @Fred Brewer: So says the all knowing Freddy EH?
Tim Morton
Reply to @Bob Smith: ^this. You win the internet. Haha!
Tim Morton
Reply to @Tim Morton: you mean the Big Pharma lobbyists right? Hahah