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Methinks Higgy et al cannot deny that all my phone calls emails, tweets blogs and comments are beginning to bear some fruit N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/05/cracks-in-political-unity-appear-but.html
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/covid-19-temporary-foreign-workers-ban-political-opposition-1.5551355
· CBC News· Posted: Apr 30, 2020 6:22 PM AT
Premier Blaine Higgs stuck by the ban on letting temporary foreign workers into the province, saying government would work with industry to fill the jobs going empty. (Government of New Brunswick/Submitted)
Two provincial party leaders are now distancing themselves from a ban on temporary foreign workers that Premier Blaine Higgs claimed they had endorsed.
Liberal Leader Kevin Vickers said in a statement that a special all-party cabinet committee, which includes him and the leaders of other parties in the legislature, wasn't given the full picture on the ban.
And Green Leader David Coon called for the province to allow exemptions to the ban on temporary foreign workers, saying the decision was "rushed" because of the imminent arrival of a planeload of workers.
Asked Thursday if he was considering exemptions, Higgs said the province was working with employers to identify potential hires among "the many people who are currently available within the province."
The premier claimed earlier this week that the all-party committee, which includes him, key cabinet ministers, Vickers, Coon and People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin, had agreed on "a path forward" to limit temporary foreign workers.
But Coon cast doubt on that Thursday.
"Depends on what you call consensus, I guess," he told reporters. "If there is general consensus, it seems that decisions are made. Unanimity is not part of the decision-making process."
Green Party Leader David Coon said the decision to impose the ban was 'rushed.' (James West/Canadian Press)
Coon chose his words carefully because he and other party leaders took an oath of confidentiality when they agreed in mid-March to sit on the committee. At one point he assured reporters that "I'm not trying to evade your question."
But he said he made "various suggestions" to the all-party committee to deal with temporary foreign workers, who Higgs said presented a risk of bringing COVID-19 cases into the province.
"We want to be collaborative," said Caraquet Liberal MLA Isabelle Thériault, but "there's a fine line because we're an opposition and we're questioning the government. I think we will maybe have to sit in the near future to have debates and ask questions."
Green MLA Kevin Arseneau said as an individual MLA, "I kind of feel like democracy has been on hold."
Green MLA Kevin Arseneau says the decision needs to be debated by MLAs in the House. (YouTube/David Coon)
He said the COVID-19 crisis has reached the point "where some decisions … are going to become ideological, so we need opposition to make sure everyone's held to account [with] many points of view."
Vickers was not available for interviews Thursday but issued a statement calling for the legislature to sit "as soon as possible."
Coon told reporters the four party house leaders were to meet Thursday afternoon to discuss a possible date for sittings to resume. He said the all-party committee is no longer enough to ensure transparent decision-making.
He attributed the comments from Vickers and Coon to "pressure" they are getting from within their caucuses and described that as traditional partisan politics that get in the way of solutions.
He also said New Brunswick's encouraging COVID-19 case numbers show the all-party approach is working.
Higgs confirmed that was referring to a flight that was to pick up 175 workers in Mexico on Tuesday night and fly them to Halifax overnight. Some workers were bound for seafood processing plants in Nova Scotia and others were set to come to New Brunswick.
"Literally people were going to be boarding planes very, very, very shortly heading to New Brunswick," Coon said. "From a health perspective, there were understandable concerns about a significant number of people all coming in at once."
Industry officials and politicians raised concerns for using untrained labour to replace experienced workers. (CBC)
Higgs said it's true the decision was hurried, but he said given outbreaks in meat processing plants in Canada and in Singapore due to foreign workers, a quick decision was justified.
"We can stop and we can think about it … or we can react and [then] find a way to mitigate the issues for businesses around the province," Higgs said.
One of the processing plants that was going to employ the workers, Downeast Cape Bald Packers, said this week they were already well prepared to respect all COVID-19 health protocols.
Coon said at the time of the meeting he had no information on the status of other temporary foreign workers and didn't know whether farms that had been approved to hire them had them in place. That information "would have been helpful," he said.
Vickers said in his statement the condemnation of the decision from the farming and fishing sectors "did not reflect what we were told on Monday night in terms of the consultation that was done with the industry and their labour-market needs."
He said he made that point at a new meeting of the all-party committee Wednesday night. But the statement didn't say what reaction he got or whether the party is calling for a reversal of the ban or for exemptions.
Higgs said the province will launch a website next week aimed at matching potential workers with those vacancies.
But Thériault agreed with industry officials who said this week students will lack the training to step into those positions. "You don't become a farmer or a fish or seafood processor overnight."
New Brunswick brought in nearly 1,700 temporary foreign workers in 2019, according to Statistics Canada. (Submitted by John Jaques)
She said laid-off workers who go to work in processing plants or on farms could quit to return to their regular jobs once the economy begins to restart in the coming weeks.
"Those people are going to say, 'Thank you for the experience, but I'm going back to my work,'" she said. "That puts the fish plants and the farmers in the same position they're in right now: where are they going to find those people?"
Coon repeated his view that the province should subsidize farm salaries by $4 per hour to encourage more of them to fill the shortage. Higgs said Thursday he would look at that as part of a broader plan to grow the farming sector to increase food security.
On Wednesday the Conservatives insisted that legislation setting up a new fund for students who lose summer work because of COVID-19 include a requirement that they "attest" to searching for work before they get the money.
The Conservatives also persuaded MPs to adopt a motion calling for the government to provide incentives to students who take farm or fisheries jobs.
Conservative MP Dan Albas said the government should match the $263 million in the existing summer job program to fully subsidize students who work in agriculture and fisheries.
"We believe there are lots of opportunities in our food supply chain where students can operate," he said. "We need to have an all-hands-on-deck approach."
But Albas refused to say whether Higgs was right to impose an across-the-board ban on temporary foreign workers.
Even if the Conservative proposals were adopted, Thériault said, it was doubtful that enough students would be able to fill all the positions.
"We can give it a try, but we need experienced people," she said.
113 Comments
David Amos
Since 2004 I have talked to a lot of businessmen, farmers, truckers and food processors and the various associations who speak for them to no avail. However methinks my comment about my contact with Downeast Cape Bald Packers yesterday made Higgy et al sit up and pay attention N'esy Pas?
Deja Vu Anyone?
"Methinks Higgy et al probably already know that I enjoyed my conversation Nat Richard (I truly hope his Grandfather calls me sometime soon) If Mr Richard takes my advice I suspect Higgy will flip flop in a heartbeat N'esy Pas?
"Two weeks ago, we described the situation in the seafood industry as a perfect storm," said Nat Richard, manager of corporate affairs for Downeast Cape Bald Packers in Cap-Pelé.
"That was before this decision."
Richard learned about the decision Monday night and said he was stunned."
David Amos
Methinks Higgy et all cannot deny that all my phone calls emails, tweets blogs and comments are beginning to bear some fruit N'esy Pas?
David Amos
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks Higgy et al cannot deny that all my phone calls emails, tweets blogs and comments are beginning to bear some fruit N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/05/cracks-in-political-unity-appear-but.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/covid-19-temporary-foreign-workers-ban-political-opposition-1.5551355
Cracks in political unity appear, but Higgs holds firm on temporary foreign worker ban
Opposition MLAs say rushed decision shows need for the legislature to sit, debate COVID-19 response
· CBC News· Posted: Apr 30, 2020 6:22 PM AT
Premier Blaine Higgs stuck by the ban on letting temporary foreign workers into the province, saying government would work with industry to fill the jobs going empty. (Government of New Brunswick/Submitted)
Two provincial party leaders are now distancing themselves from a ban on temporary foreign workers that Premier Blaine Higgs claimed they had endorsed.
Liberal Leader Kevin Vickers said in a statement that a special all-party cabinet committee, which includes him and the leaders of other parties in the legislature, wasn't given the full picture on the ban.
And Green Leader David Coon called for the province to allow exemptions to the ban on temporary foreign workers, saying the decision was "rushed" because of the imminent arrival of a planeload of workers.
Asked Thursday if he was considering exemptions, Higgs said the province was working with employers to identify potential hires among "the many people who are currently available within the province."
The premier claimed earlier this week that the all-party committee, which includes him, key cabinet ministers, Vickers, Coon and People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin, had agreed on "a path forward" to limit temporary foreign workers.
But Coon cast doubt on that Thursday.
"Depends on what you call consensus, I guess," he told reporters. "If there is general consensus, it seems that decisions are made. Unanimity is not part of the decision-making process."
Green Party Leader David Coon said the decision to impose the ban was 'rushed.' (James West/Canadian Press)
Coon chose his words carefully because he and other party leaders took an oath of confidentiality when they agreed in mid-March to sit on the committee. At one point he assured reporters that "I'm not trying to evade your question."
But he said he made "various suggestions" to the all-party committee to deal with temporary foreign workers, who Higgs said presented a risk of bringing COVID-19 cases into the province.
Calls for the House to sit
Two opposition MLAs who aren't part of the committee say the decision and the secrecy surrounding the committee show that the legislature needs to resume work soon."We want to be collaborative," said Caraquet Liberal MLA Isabelle Thériault, but "there's a fine line because we're an opposition and we're questioning the government. I think we will maybe have to sit in the near future to have debates and ask questions."
Green MLA Kevin Arseneau said as an individual MLA, "I kind of feel like democracy has been on hold."
Green MLA Kevin Arseneau says the decision needs to be debated by MLAs in the House. (YouTube/David Coon)
He said the COVID-19 crisis has reached the point "where some decisions … are going to become ideological, so we need opposition to make sure everyone's held to account [with] many points of view."
Vickers was not available for interviews Thursday but issued a statement calling for the legislature to sit "as soon as possible."
Coon told reporters the four party house leaders were to meet Thursday afternoon to discuss a possible date for sittings to resume. He said the all-party committee is no longer enough to ensure transparent decision-making.
Higgs said the legislative process will have to start up, but he also wants the parties to continue working together and not "resort back to the political days of the past."
He attributed the comments from Vickers and Coon to "pressure" they are getting from within their caucuses and described that as traditional partisan politics that get in the way of solutions.
He also said New Brunswick's encouraging COVID-19 case numbers show the all-party approach is working.
'A sense of urgency'
Coon said members of the committee were told that a planeload of foreign workers would soon be en route to the province and "there was a sense of urgency to make a decision around that."Higgs confirmed that was referring to a flight that was to pick up 175 workers in Mexico on Tuesday night and fly them to Halifax overnight. Some workers were bound for seafood processing plants in Nova Scotia and others were set to come to New Brunswick.
"Literally people were going to be boarding planes very, very, very shortly heading to New Brunswick," Coon said. "From a health perspective, there were understandable concerns about a significant number of people all coming in at once."
Industry officials and politicians raised concerns for using untrained labour to replace experienced workers. (CBC)
Higgs said it's true the decision was hurried, but he said given outbreaks in meat processing plants in Canada and in Singapore due to foreign workers, a quick decision was justified.
"We can stop and we can think about it … or we can react and [then] find a way to mitigate the issues for businesses around the province," Higgs said.
One of the processing plants that was going to employ the workers, Downeast Cape Bald Packers, said this week they were already well prepared to respect all COVID-19 health protocols.
Coon said at the time of the meeting he had no information on the status of other temporary foreign workers and didn't know whether farms that had been approved to hire them had them in place. That information "would have been helpful," he said.
Vickers said in his statement the condemnation of the decision from the farming and fishing sectors "did not reflect what we were told on Monday night in terms of the consultation that was done with the industry and their labour-market needs."
He said he made that point at a new meeting of the all-party committee Wednesday night. But the statement didn't say what reaction he got or whether the party is calling for a reversal of the ban or for exemptions.
Tapping into local labour
Meanwhile, debate continued Thursday on whether it's realistic, as Higgs has suggested, that unemployed New Brunswickers and students on summer break can fill some of the 600 job vacancies that were to be filled by foreign workers.Higgs said the province will launch a website next week aimed at matching potential workers with those vacancies.
But Thériault agreed with industry officials who said this week students will lack the training to step into those positions. "You don't become a farmer or a fish or seafood processor overnight."
New Brunswick brought in nearly 1,700 temporary foreign workers in 2019, according to Statistics Canada. (Submitted by John Jaques)
She said laid-off workers who go to work in processing plants or on farms could quit to return to their regular jobs once the economy begins to restart in the coming weeks.
"Those people are going to say, 'Thank you for the experience, but I'm going back to my work,'" she said. "That puts the fish plants and the farmers in the same position they're in right now: where are they going to find those people?"
Coon repeated his view that the province should subsidize farm salaries by $4 per hour to encourage more of them to fill the shortage. Higgs said Thursday he would look at that as part of a broader plan to grow the farming sector to increase food security.
Looking for federal support
The federal Conservatives, meanwhile, are calling on Ottawa to cover the full wages of any students who take jobs on farms this summer to fill labour shortages.On Wednesday the Conservatives insisted that legislation setting up a new fund for students who lose summer work because of COVID-19 include a requirement that they "attest" to searching for work before they get the money.
The Conservatives also persuaded MPs to adopt a motion calling for the government to provide incentives to students who take farm or fisheries jobs.
Conservative MP Dan Albas said the government should match the $263 million in the existing summer job program to fully subsidize students who work in agriculture and fisheries.
"We believe there are lots of opportunities in our food supply chain where students can operate," he said. "We need to have an all-hands-on-deck approach."
But Albas refused to say whether Higgs was right to impose an across-the-board ban on temporary foreign workers.
Even if the Conservative proposals were adopted, Thériault said, it was doubtful that enough students would be able to fill all the positions.
"We can give it a try, but we need experienced people," she said.
113 Comments
David Amos
Since 2004 I have talked to a lot of businessmen, farmers, truckers and food processors and the various associations who speak for them to no avail. However methinks my comment about my contact with Downeast Cape Bald Packers yesterday made Higgy et al sit up and pay attention N'esy Pas?
Deja Vu Anyone?
"Methinks Higgy et al probably already know that I enjoyed my conversation Nat Richard (I truly hope his Grandfather calls me sometime soon) If Mr Richard takes my advice I suspect Higgy will flip flop in a heartbeat N'esy Pas?
"Two weeks ago, we described the situation in the seafood industry as a perfect storm," said Nat Richard, manager of corporate affairs for Downeast Cape Bald Packers in Cap-Pelé.
"That was before this decision."
Richard learned about the decision Monday night and said he was stunned."
David Amos
Methinks Higgy et all cannot deny that all my phone calls emails, tweets blogs and comments are beginning to bear some fruit N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Methinks a lot of folks are listening to Higgy right now The most interesting question for me that he responded to came from the strawberry farmer about foreign labour N'esy Pas?
DJ Redfern
How do you spell political opportunist? Take a big C add two zeros and then an.... n
David Amos
Reply to @DJ Redfern: Well spelled
Billy Joe Mcallister
Reply to @David Amos: Yet another shinning example of what happens when phonetics are not taught in elementary school.
Matthew Smith
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: shinning?
David Amos
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: Methinks some folks would agree that its a wickedly wonderful way to make a point without one's words going "Poof" N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Matthew Smith: Good point
Billy Joe Mcallister
Reply to @David Amos: Yet another shinning example of what happens when phonetics are not taught in elementary school.
Matthew Smith
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: shinning?
David Amos
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: Methinks some folks would agree that its a wickedly wonderful way to make a point without one's words going "Poof" N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Matthew Smith: Good point
val harris
So there’s no market for lobster ok but there’s no market for oil, so when will Higgs shut down Irving? Lou can you get me an answer
John Smith
Reply to @val harris: The difference is Irving pays his employees more than minimum wage. Don't your friends pay less than minimum wage? That is what the TFW program is about, isn't it ???
val harris
Reply to @John Smith: So Irving gets no government money haha. You are special
David Amos
Reply to @val harris: Too Too Funny
Lou Bell
What relevance does Kevin Arsenault have in this story ? I could have written his answer a montha ago . In fact Roger Melanson may have written it .
val harris
Reply to @Lou Bell: haha higgy has you working late tonight
Lou Bell
Reply to @val harris: And who is the leader of the SANB Libs again ?
val harris
Reply to @Lou Bell: Touchy touchy but you listen to higgy
John Smith
Reply to @Lou Bell: Val is very funny but looks aren't everything.
David Amos
Reply to @John Smith: Methinks many folks find Val far more appealing than your favourite lady Lou is N'esy Pas?
John Smith
Wasn't planning on voting for Blaine Higgs next election but considering the comments from the other Party leaders, I guess he will get my vote. How can these alleged "leaders" support bringing TFW's here and treating them horribly just to satisfy the greed of these owners while putting seniors in danger. Shameful behavior. BTW, I don't like Blaine Higgs but he seems to be the ONLY one that cares about our seniors and the general population. Duly noted.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @John Smith: How is it going to put seniors in danger when these workers are stranded on a farm in the middle of nowhere?
John Smith
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: They don't have wings. They need to fly here on an airplane. They will be out and about guaranteed. Why the heck do I need to pay to isolate them for 14 days? Shouldn't their employer cover that cost? Not the taxpayer. Too many free rides in this Province and country and these TFW operators are the biggest offenders in my opinion.
John Smith
Reply to @val harris: takes one to know one. So you DO have a mirror
Lou Bell
Reply to @John Smith: Val's still suffering from the budget vote ! Big loss !!
val harris
Reply to @Lou Bell: John and lou are buddies enough said
John Smith
Reply to @Lou Bell: BTW, you better not upset her, she likes to report people that support her agenda.
John Smith
Reply to @John Smith: DON'T support her agenda
val harris
Reply to @John Smith: poor little johnny
John Smith
Reply to @val harris: are you going to report me for falling out of my seat laughing at you???
Troy Murray
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: all it takes is one stray worker to get the Covid rolling, not worth the risk. Bring them next year once the vaccine is ready
Jamie Beaver
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Sooo, who do you want to pay for security and monitor the movements of these workers? Who pays for that, the farmer, provincial gov, federal gov. Pretty big risk, as one famous person once said “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few” (or “the one”)
John Smith
Reply to @val harris: you been talking to my wife. God love her.
John Smith
Reply to @Jamie Beaver: We are ALREADY paying to keep them in isolation for 14 days thanks to Mr. Trudeau. Of course the fish processors and farmers want us to pay the bill. They pay these workers peanuts and expect the taxpayer to pay the bills.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you enjoy the conservative spindoctor's nonsense as much as Val does N'esy Pas?
SarahRose Werner
If the federal House of Commons can hold a virtual meeting, why can't NB's Legislative Assembly?
David Amos
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Methinks since we old folks pay for the circus we are entitled to see a real LIVE circus on Rogers TV or if Higgy permitted us we could visit the legislative peanut gallery rather than viewing something displayed on computer screen or on one our grandchildren's smart phone N'esy Pas?