Why many New Brunswick teachers remain afraid to speak out
'As teachers, we are in the trenches, we know what's going on'
Hadeel Ibrahim· CBC News· Posted: Feb 10, 2020 7:00 AM AT
Education Minister Dominic Cardy says teachers should be comfortable criticizing him on social media. (CBC)
Education Minister Dominic Cardy says he knows of teachers so afraid to express their opinions they've created fake email accounts to contact him.
But he told a public consultation meeting in Saint John last week that he wants teachers to feel free to speak their minds about the province's education system.
The stop in Saint John was part of his cross-province tour to get feedback on his green paper on education reform.
A long-time teacher, who spoke out at the meeting, suggested there is a climate of fear that has some educators even refusing to fill out surveys.
Cheryl Kennedy, a resource teacher at Barnhill Memorial School, said she's no longer worried about speaking out because she's nearing the end of her career. She will retire in another year.
"I don't really have a lot to lose."
Long-time teacher Cheryl Kennedy said some teachers are so afraid they don't even fill out surveys. (Cheryl Kennedy)
She said the "secretive approach to education" is preventing her and other teachers from being able to level with parents about the challenges they face every day.
"This has been an ingrained ideology in every educator that we do not have that right to express the flaws within the system," she said in front of the minister and a room of almost 70 people.
Cardy said there is no legislation preventing teachers from commenting on and criticizing the way things are done, except professional-conduct rules like naming specific co-workers or being "unprofessional" in their criticisms.
The New Brunswick Teachers' Association said there's never been a problem with educators contacting the minister with concerns.
But Rick Cuming, president of the association, said the same labour laws govern teachers as any other employees and public criticism may not be fair to the employer, leading to discipline.
Kennedy said she doesn't think teachers should be making unfair statements toward specific co-workers, or breaching the strict rules around students' privacy.
But teachers are "on the front lines," she said, and should be able to share their first-hand experience of the system, and make fair comments without fear of reprisal.
"As teachers, we are in the trenches, we know what's going on," she said.
Education Minister Dominic Cardy heard from approximately 70 people at Harbour View High School Tuesday night. (Hadeel Ibrahim/CBC)
She said if a parent wonders why their child with special needs isn't getting enough support, for example, teachers don't think they can comment generally about the challenges they see with inclusion.
This, in turn, puts a communication barrier between parents and teachers, she said, affecting the trust between them and leaving questions unanswered.
"They are looking for answers," she said.
A democratic issue
In an interview, Cardy said he's positive teachers should face no consequences if they contact him directly.
"We will go to the wall to defend teachers' rights to do that," he said. "I will defend them to the absolute end."
When it comes to speaking to the public and the press, they should practise "good judgment."
"If I come out and say something as a politician I think it is entirely reasonable for a teacher to go on social media and go 'I like' or 'don't like what Cardy said,'" he said.
He said this is "a really fundamental democratic issue."
The rules
Cuming said the concern is that teachers always have to respect confidentiality and privacy regulations when talking about their work.
He said teachers have the right to express themselves but it has limits.
He said the limits are set by the courts that have established that the employer "has a right to expect some fairness and integrity and loyalty from its employees."
He said teachers can express their voice through their administrators or through their elected school representatives.
Rick Cuming is the president of the New Brunswick Teachers' Association. (CBC)
If teachers believe they can't speak frankly to parents, they should communicate with them through the principal, he said.
He said a teacher's voice is always attached to the class that they're in, so privacy is always an issue.
She said if a teacher spoke publicly about an issue in their classroom, parents might wonder if the teacher was speaking about their children.
Kennedy said she's glad to hear Cardy say what he did at the meeting, but she's not sure it's going to change anything.
"I don't know if people will feel more comfortable," she said, noting she's still glad this is a topic of discussion.
"I'm very proud to be a teacher in this province … And I really love the fact that you know these issues are coming to the forefront."
Matt Steele The N.B. Dept. of Education seems to be totally out of control , and appears to thrive on NEPOTISM and FAVORITISM , and no one is held accountable . A Substitute Teacher told me that Substitute Teachers receive their teaching assignments via a computerized booking system so that all teachers have an equal chance of getting a job . Now the Principals and teachers are over riding the system , and giving the jobs to their friends and families via a PREFERRED LIST before most of the Substitute Teachers even see the jobs . It is hard to believe that this outrageous level of nepotism is allowed in 2020 where families and friends are being given the best Substitute jobs ; and the taxpayers are paying for it
David Amos
Reply to @Matt Steele: What else is new?
Steve Ryan Its no different in the West. Teachers are afraid to speak up if they disagree with the approach their union is taking. Intimidation is common.
David Amos
Reply to @Steve Ryan: "Intimidation is common"
Its the way of the world Methinks the Yankee some love to call "the Donald" tries to prove it on a daily basis N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs So, all of a sudden, we are to believe that the great and wise Dominic Cardy is going to take instruction from lowly teachers? When pigs fly.
David Amos Reply to @Terry Tibbs: YO Mr Tibbs perhaps if Cardy runs out of Butter Tarts and studies ethics seriously he may listen to others. However methinks wiseguys would bet on your opinion not mine N'esy Pas?
David Peters "There's no gag order."
There doesn't have to be a gag order in system that is carefully designed to stifle individual concerns, from every possible angle. All monopolies are c o r r u p t, whether public or private.
David Amos
Reply to @David Peters: Why are so many folks gagging then?
Jake Newman whole system is broken--blame can go all around--gov't, parents, teachers, unions and school boards.
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Jake Newman: Yup unfixable.
David Amos
Reply to @Jake Newman: YUP
Rod McLeod The written law says they can speak out. The unwritten practice says they had better be careful. It's no different in any other area of government.
David Amos
Reply to @Rod McLeod: Oh So True
Barry Odonnell teachers are VERY well paid. Good salary, pension plans funded by the taxpayers who have no pension, health benefits paid for until the day they die yet are among the whiniest, Constantly whining about pay, hours of work ad having to coach extra-curricular activities, all things they were well versed on as being requirements when they happily took the job.
Archie Levesque
Reply to @Barry Odonnell: What an uninformed comment
Barry Odonnell
Reply to @Barry Odonnell: But it's not about the money, it's "about the kids"
Winston Gray
Reply to @Barry Odonnell: It is about the kids. The teachers aren't asking for more money, they are asking to have the supports in place that there are supposed to have so that the kids do not suffer. They are asking for the government to stop meddling in the classroom every year so that the kids do not suffer from dramatically shifting policies every year. They are asking for the government to stop piling on their workloads while given no extra time or incentive.
It is about the kids. But uninformed and ignorant people like yourself MAKE it about the teachers.
BruceJack Speculator
Reply to @Archie Levesque: agree a very uninformed comment. . . I am not a teacher. a pension plan with user contributions paid from salary and agreed employer contributions is part of the appointment yes but "funded by taxpayers" is only true in the sense that the overall salary and benefit budget is of course funded by taxpayers, just like a private company pension might be said to be "funded by customers". In fact the major problem with NB pensions that was an issue for Alward/Higgs a few years ago was mostly due to the fact that many versions of the govt had NOT PAID all their agreed contributions over many years and had used the different plans as a source of funds at low or no interest and then changed the rules retroactively for employees and retirees
David Peters
Reply to @Barry Odonnell: Don't confuse the teachers union with the teachers. Teachers have as little freedom and say as everyone else on this file
Michel Boutet:
Yes uninformed, but also unfortunately too common. Education is undervalued and underfunded. Future university students won't go into teaching when they know before they even start that they will NOT be well compensated in comparison to other career paths with comparable degrees. Prospective teachers also see that they will be disrespected by the general public, very much like Mr. Odonnell, parents, their students, and the provincial government alike. They also know that they will have to deal with large classes and inadequate resources. I am talking about classes of up to 38 students in rooms meant for 25 desks at most, and few resources. I have 29 years experience teaching US history to American high school students in WA state, and then ESL to francophone high school students near Montreal. Canadian society has counted on "it's not about the money", to be the primary attitude among teachers to underpay teachers for the last 100 years. Stats show that students entering university for teacher training is in decline by about 30% in Ontario. About 50% of new teachers quit before they have been teaching for 5 years. You want to keep new qualified teachers? Pay them well and support them.
David Amos
Reply to @BruceJack Speculator: Cry me a river
Mack Leigh " No gag order " ?? Then why did a friend of mine get transferred from Mathieu Martin high school to way up North because he spoke out about their bigoted language policies ?
David Amos
Reply to @Mack Leigh: Good question
Paul Krumm First any teacher above junior high must have a masters, second separate special needs, no closing of schools on snow days, regular performance assessments, just 4 weeks holiday a year, 'entrance' exam for first year students, many have not even been diaper trained, there is so much needs doing but no matter how much is said nothing will be done.
David Amos
Reply to @Paul Krumm: Methinks that is par for the course N'esy Pas?
Dan Leblanc Reply to @David Amos: Hey David, sorry if this message posts twice, my comment would not show up. I have noticed that you often comment on language-related articles, and have said at least a hundred times, Methinks, and N'esy Pas? As someone who loves languages, and the cultural differences, I was wondering why you always say that, what it means and where you got that expression from? Thanks David!
David Amos Reply to @Dan Leblanc: Methinks I see no need to waste my precious time again expalining my choice of words and writing style to a snobby dudes whose last name tells me he no doubt has legions of relatives who were raised in the Westmorland County area just like I was who love Shakespeare and Chiac N'esy Pas?
Lets just say even though I did not invent the expression if you were to Google "N'esy Pas?" you will likely find me all over the Internet Get it Yet?
Dianne MacPherson Reply to @Paul Krumm: The shoe has dropped for Health and Education..... full steam ahead !!!!
Dianne MacPherson
Reply to @Dan Leblanc: OFF TOPIC !!!!!
Jim Cyr Any one who has ANY doubt that the media is pushing a narrative to help one party/ideology needs to just read this article. I actually WAS a public school teacher. And I still work in many schools in a different capacity.. I can tell you from personal experience that the entire educational complex, top to bottom, is dominated by liberals. Non-liberal teachers actually DO learn to keep quiet and keep their heads low.....unlike the fantasy promulgated by this article.
Barry Odonnell
Reply to @Jim Cyr: CBC=Left Wing. Nuff said.
David Amos
Reply to @Barry Odonnell: Ditto
David Stairs oh yea...that's a good line there Dom...we all know how well you take criticism....
Barry Odonnell
Reply to @David Stairs: About as well as teachers take it?
David Amos
Reply to @David Stairs: Dom remains calm as long as he has had his Butter Tart
Tom Gordon Teachers not equipped nor have the training to deal with special needs.
David Amos
Reply to @Tom Gordon: Why should they?
Chuck Smith Oh sure, we are free to voice our concerns. The Minister makes it sound like he's open to our ideas. But the fact is that it is the middle management and bureaucracy of that make sure most of us stay quiet. It's amazing how quickly a teaching assignment can be changed or career progression come to a screeching halt when one steps out of line...
David Amos
Reply to @Chuck Smith: Methinks Minister Cardy will never explain what happened in one of the High Schools he oversees on or about October 16th, 2019 N'esy Pas?
Brian Robertson Give me a break. With their radical left union behind them, the last thing one can say about them is that they are reluctant to speak out.
David Amos
Reply to @Brian Robertson: I agree
Winston Gra
Reply to @Brian Robertson: Uninformed and ignorant comment. The teachers in this province share the same unions as their principals, so any complaint they make is generally ignored as the union won't go after their own. It is VERY abnormal for subordinates to share the same union as the boss. Teachers are VERY afraid of speaking up because of that one fact alone!
Marc Martin
Reply to @Brian Robertson: Maybe you should move to Russia where its a communism country..
David Amos
Content disabled Reply to @Marc Martin: Methinks you are the one who partakes of red kool aid N'esy Pas?
Barry Odonnell
Reply to @Winston Gray: Then put the blame where it BELONGS with the UNION!! Here in NS the government fought the union tooth and nail to have the Principals not be part of the NSTU. It is ridiculous! Name one other profession where the employee sits beside the boss at a union meeting!!
Winston Gray
Reply to @Barry Odonnell: Many in teaching believe that the Unions and Government coordinate together to keep the status quo. A teacher could be penalized for writing a letter to a newspaper talking about general issues in the schools. The unions also are not in the business of LOSING members so they have no incentive to have the Principals switch to another Union.
The teachers are muzzled in this province, by their own union and by the government. This is why the government enjoys when the public attacks TEACHERS, because the spotlight is on a scapegoat, distracting from the actual issues up the chain with either underfunding or funding mismanagement, skimping on special needs resources, skimping on mental health services for students in the form of counsellors, etc.
Blaming teachers is like blaming a hotel front desk staff for the poor quality of the room and building maintenance. That stuff is at the fault of the management, who 100% would rather you blame the front desk staff than take responsibility.
Brian Robertson Reply to @Winston Gray: A muzzled unionized worker is as rare as an open minded liberal. Tell us another one.
June Arnott you have people in the district office that think they are kings and queens. Anyone they do not like they don't listen to, even if it is good advice and good ideas. Maybe you should route out those nasty people and put them in positions of no power so things can change and get better with out education system. Right now it is the worse in Canada. And it is not the teachers fault. When they try a different method of getting things across to children, they get reprimanded. God forbid should they have a way of doing it better!! That person in the district office does not care. NB has severe issues with the hierarchy, especially in the Moncton and surrounding areas
David Amos
Reply to @June Arnott: Methinks Higgy et al know that the teachers and students in his riding gave me quite an education during an all candidates debate in their High School for the federal election last fall N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
Reply to @David Amos: Who cares
JC Cormier
Reply to @David Amos: what does that have to do with anything?
David Amos
Reply to @JC Cormier: Everything
Kyle Woodman Higgs needs to reign in some of his ministers. Holland is always on NB hunters disparaging DNR staff as incompetent. Ross Wetmore apparently spent the summer driving around heckling construction worker. He brought in shadow deputy ministers for DTI and Tourism. The tourism consultant has no credentials. Morale is at an all time low in the civil service.
Michel Jones
Reply to @Kyle Woodman: Your complaint sounds pretty vague, more like online trolling from left wing liberals accusing people in charge of bullying..
David Amos
Reply to @Michel Jones: Methinks you are not the only one to notice that about this character N'esy Pas?
Kyle Woodman
Reply to @Michel Jones: maybe my comment is based on experience. I'm actually a centrist. I call it like I see it. Maybe you are a right wing partisan with a comment like that.
Michel Jones
Reply to @Kyle Woodman: I'm a conservative and make no bones about it but you don't sound centrist.
Kyle Woodman
Reply to @Michel Jones: well the current crop of conservatives are only socially conservative. There is no fiscal conservatism in this bunch.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Michel Jones: Methinks he is just another left wing spin doctor who needs to leave his Mother's basement and get a real job N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Michel Jones: Enjoy dicing with this left wing spin doctor because it appears that I am no longer permitted to do so
Winston Gray
Reply to @Kyle Woodman: I agree with this, but it plays to the Conservative "base" who like to disparage public workers like it's a party supporter requirement. So it makes sense from a political standpoint because it makes the Conservative government look like it is "spanking" the public sector while they are in power and then when they are not in power they tout fiscal conservative values.
Kyle Woodman
Reply to @Winston Gray: Bingo. The last fiscally conservative government in Canada was Chretien/ Martin. The numbers don't lie. Conservative governments have added as much or more to our debt as any other yet they like to sit on their high horse and lecture everyone about fiscal conservatism. Bunch of hypocrites.
Kyle Woodman
Reply to @David Amos: First time I've ever been called a left wing spin doctor. You couldn't be farther from the truth.
Joseph Vacher
Reply to @Kyle Woodman: lol chretien stole millions from canadians and then laughed about it
Kyle Woodman
Reply to @Joseph Vacher: at least he balanced the budget and paid down the debt.
Paul Krumm
Reply to @Kyle Woodman: Rein, rein, rein, kind off strange to be commenting on education and make such a basic error
Kyle Woodman
Reply to @Paul Krumm: good one Paul.
Kyle Woodman People , especially politicians and big business are petty and vengeful in this province. Keep your head down and do what you are told. I have seen the vengeance of politicians first hand. Given Cardy's general attitude towards towards the civil service, and his erratic behaviour I would keep my mouth shut too.
June Arnott
Reply to @Kyle Woodman: Cardy is not the issue. It is those who think they are the kings and queens of the Districts that are the issue. Egotistical and self centred, doesnt help the education system
Michel Jones
Reply to @Kyle Woodman: Thank God for online comments so we can vent without getting in trouble.
David Amos
Reply to @Michel Jones: Don't bet on it
Kyle Woodman
Reply to @Michel Jones: It also allows you to launch partisan attacks on the truth for your buddy Higgy.
Michel Jones
Reply to @David Amos: Point well taken.
Kyle Woodman
Reply to @Michel Jones: Amos is mad at me for calling him inconsequential.
David Amos
Reply to @Kyle Woodman: Nope I am laughing at your malicious nonsense against my fellow Boomers
Marc Martin
Reply to @David Amos: Cry me a river
Kyle Woodman
Reply to @David Amos: Boomers should retire. They've done a good job messing everything up.
David Amos
Reply to @Kyle Woodman: I am retired but I still litigate
Kyle Woodman
Reply to @David Amos: do you want a medal or something. For a boomer you act like a petulant child.
John Valcourt Trump - Cardy, I can't see the difference, can you.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @John Valcourt: One has brains and money, the other has nothing.
Winston Gray
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I didn’t realize Cardy was rich and had brains. He should run for US president!
David Amos
Reply to @John Valcourt: Trump likes hamburgers and Cardy loves Butter Tarts
Johnny Jakobs The issue is bilingualism. From that stems inclusion. It's a tiered system. Smart or affluent students go immersion while everyone else gets jammed into the inclusion program. I'm not being ignorant, I'm being real. Teachers are afraid to speak up.
Roy Nicholl
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs: For a group it is certainly the bouc émmissaire
Peter Demerchan
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs: you nailed it
Johnny Jakobs
Reply to @Roy Nicholl: lol... it's the truth. You're just looking for a scapegoat.
Winston Gray
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs: Reply to @Johnny Jakobs: as someone who is married to a teacher in this province, I don’t know of any teachers who spew this garbage “bilingualism is to blame” rhetoric that anglophones spew constantly. It has nothing to do with bilingualism. It has everything to do with teachers being muzzled, resources being stretched thin, and the attitude of the public. Mention you’re a teacher and the public jump down your throat because everyone feels like they have a right to criticize or tell teachers how to to do their job. The issue is that parents are no longer parenting. Kids do not have basic things taught to them by mom or dad, such as manners. Parents don’t put kids to bed at the correct time because it’s easier for them to parent if they let the kid fall asleep in front of an iPad. Parents don’t have conversations with their kids anymore, they do not know how to socialize or engage. They are arrive to kindergarten with the maturity of a toddler because their parents never told them “no”.
The issues in our school system is multi-faceted, but if you ask any teacher they won’t point a finger at bilingualism, that’s simply a scapegoat for the uninformed and victim-mentality anglophones. And I say that as an anglophone.
Roland Stewart
Reply to @Winston Gray: Probably the most dangerous thing a teacher could do is point their finger at bilingualism. Could end a career very fast. I agree with most of what you posted but not all teachers are created equal, the ones who do it because they love it shows. Many teachers get into it because they think the money is great and maybe get a few summers off or whatever reason. Imagine being 25 yo and being in charge of 25 young kids when you may not have even babysat one when you were younger.
Johnny Jakobs
Reply to @Winston Gray: 14th most spoken language in the world. Our province is broke. It's all about resources and right now, we have none. Paying for two of everything is killing this province. It is what it is. Not being ignorant, just having a real conversation in a democratic society.
Roy Nicholl
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs wrote: "It's the truth. You're just looking for a scapegoat"
There is no truth to that claim. Where is the empirical evidence supporting your hypothesis that bilingualism is the cause of problems within the school system (and everywhere else for some)?
The implementation of "streams" - be it Enriched/University preparatory, Vocational, second language etc - within the school system is a separate matter from universities, trades, or bilingualism.
Winston Gray
Reply to @Roland Stewart: I can tell you this, there may be some people who do it for the reasons you mentioned - but none of them are doing it while teaching YOUNG kids. You absolutely HAVE to have a passion for it if you’re teaching elementary school, PERIOD.
But again, that is pointing fingers at the teacher. It’s a conversation that comes up 100% of the time when you mention education, but in reality accounts for 5% or less of the total problem. Because becoming a full-time teacher is difficult now, there are so many names on the supply list in the anglophone districts. Many do not get permanent contracts until they have been supplying for 5-10 years.
Even then, there is a very high turnover of teachers in both anglophone/francophone after just 5 years of teaching. Something like close to 50%. How can people simultaneously say teachers have it easy and do it for the benefits/time off when close to 50% leave the classroom after 5 years.
The public is attacking and blaming the teachers, because that’s what the government wants. The government doesn’t want you to realize that they underfund and understaff and overwork teachers, because saying “july & august” is something simplistic to get the uninformed couch-politicians pointing the blame away from our government failures.
Roy Nicholl
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs wrote: "14th most spoken language in the world. Our province is broke. It's all about resources and right now, we have none. Paying for two of everything is killing this province. It is what it is. Not being ignorant, just having a real conversation in a democratic society."
By absolute population (due to China and India) that may be true, but by global reach, French remains one of the most widely spoken second language in Europe and Africa.
Regardless, if you feel so strongly that we are "paying for two of everything" (which is also not true), then would you be willing to forego access to services in English in the interest of fiscal conservatism?
Winston Gray
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs: you’re wrong, it’s an overly simplistic theory that is rooted in naivety and fear. Simply because you do not understand bilingualism.
Almost all our schools both French and English are at near-100% capacity, with many schools above 100% capacity. By your logic we should have double the amount of schools with all of them at 50% capacity, because “we are paying for everything twice”. No, we are just paying for some of our schools to be French, and some of them to be English, with nearly the same amount of schools/staff we would have if the whole province was 100% anglophone. Because we would want our schools to be at 100% capacity (like they already are).
It’s a simplistic approach that boils down to EXACTLY this: anglophones out-number francophones so they feel entitled to destroy the culture/rights of the francophones so that more anglophones can benefit from the money that was allotted to francophones in this province.
Marc Martin
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs: *14th most spoken language in the world.* And what's you point ? You need to look at what are the most spoken language in Canada its French and English.
Marc Martin
Reply to @Winston Gray: *anglophones out-number francophones so they feel entitled to destroy the culture/rights of the francophones so that more anglophones can benefit from the money that was allotted to francophones in this province. * True.
Graham McCormack
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs: If you think only the brightest and affluent students are enrolled in French Immersion you are badly mistaken.
Michel Jones
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs: You are dead wrong Johnny, accept it and get over it..
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Martin: Cry me a river
Marc Martin
Reply to @David Amos: Who cares.
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Martin: Obviously you do
Marc Martin
Reply to @David Amos: I am a very caring person...
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Martin: Methinks everybody knows why some more coffee just came out my nose N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs:
Reply to @Marc Martin: "You need to look at what are the most spoken language in Canada its French and English"
Ah no, or not any longer.......... the most spoken languages in Canada are English and Chinese. Immigration strikes again.
Marc Martin
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Nope, French is still second.
Marc Martin
Reply to @David Amos: Not really...Is it related to you sickness?
Johnny Jakobs
Reply to @Marc Martin: you do as do I. There's no fear or hate coming from me. Just tolerance to change. Mandarin is the language we ought to learn.
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Martin: Methinks you must be a wannabe professional clown who enjoys making a fool of himself on behalf of the SANB all day long instead of doing his job in GNB N'esy Pas?
Johnny Jakobs Reply to @Roy Nicholl: No, I would not forego services in English. The official language of this country called Canada.
Roy Nicholl Reply to @Johnny Jakobs wrote: "No, I would not forego services in English. The official language of this country called Canada."
There are two official languages in Canada and New Brunswick: English and French. Why would you expect your compatriots to sacrifice their rights, if you are unwilling to do the same?
Ben Haroldson Yes, it's amazing how ones attitude changes the closer to retirement you get.
June Arnott
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: too bad they can't speak out, they should write an exit letter though
David Amos
Reply to @June Arnott: Methinks everybody knows the Golden Rules that they don't teach in school or church N'esy Pas?
"He with the GOLD Makes the Rules" and "Everything Political is Always About the MONEY"
