---------- Original message ---------- From: Ginette.PetitpasTaylor@parl.gc.ca Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 19:08:54 +0000 Subject: RE: Methinks I should remind the local Health Minister Benoît Bourque while he still has the job that I still don't have my Health Care Card YET N'esy Pas Ginette Petitpas Taylor? To: motomaniac333@gmail.com
Dear Mr. Amos,
On behalf of the Honourable Ginette Petitpas Taylor, I would like to acknowledge receipt of your correspondence and I thank you for writing.
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Methinks I should remind the local Health Minister Benoît Bourque while he still has the job that I still don't have my Health Care Card YET N'esy Pas Ginette Petitpas Taylor?
Bilingual ambulance service dominates 1st question period of new legislature
Majority of Ambulance New Brunswick job openings are for bilingual positions
Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Oct 24, 2018 5:27 PM AT
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David Amos Methinks I should remind the Health Minister Benoît Bourque while he still has the job that I still don't have my Health Care Card YET N'esy Pas?
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New Brunswick Medical Society defends specialist referral system
The CEO of the society says the referral process is in place for good reason CBC News · Posted: Sep 02, 2019 5:27 PM AT
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David Amos Methinks everybody knows why Anthony Knight never got back to me when he was the CEO of the Fredericton Chamber of Commerce and why as the CEO of the New Brunswick Medical Society he did not care about my false imprisonment the the looney bin of the DECH or the fact that I still do not have a Health Care Card to the very day N'esy Pas?
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Gallant, Premier Brian (PO/CPM)"<Brian.Gallant@gnb.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 16:04:02 +0000 Subject: RE: I just called for the last time about my right to Health Care Services just like
Chucky "Cry Baby" Leblanc and every other Canadian Citizen has To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 10:04:39 -0400 Subject: Fwd: I just called for the last time about my right to Health Care Services
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 12:03:38 -0400 Subject: I just called for the last time about my right to Health Care Services
Hon.Jane.Philpott Minister of Health 70 Colombine Driveway, Tunney's Pasture Postal Location: 0906C Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0K9 Telephone: 613-957-0200 Fax: 613-952-1154 Hon.Jane.Philpott@Canada.ca
Victor Boudreau Minister of Health HSBC Place Floor: 5 P. O. Box 5100 Fredericton, NB E3B 5G8
Whereas Harper and his cohorts in the RCMP had no problem using the DECH services against me in 2008, What is the Liberals problem in providing me with the same service over the past year since since they won the government mandate?
Here how your blogging butt buddy Chucky and your Fake Left pals had a lot of fun violating my privacy and teasing me about that fact in 2008 CORRECT Mr Andre Faust? Who are you to ask such ridiculous questions about it again this month?
AMOS PICKED UP BY THE R.C.M.P.??? Charles LeBlanc's Other blog July 8th, 2008
I don't know if this is a joke?
I'm not a David Amos fan but this email was sent to me last week.
This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29, 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP.
Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve Graham of the RCMP °J" Division in Fredericton.
Sincerely,
Honourable Michael B. Murphy Minister of Health
CM/cb
CLEARLY THE RCMP/GRC AND THE KPMG PALS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO READ LET ALONE COUNT BEANS EH?
Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off over the holidays and returned to work this evening. Rest assured I was not ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns.
As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our position is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done.
As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear that Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada and the US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment policing in Petitcodiac, NB.
It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors.
New Brunswick Medical Society defends specialist referral system
The CEO of the society says the referral process is in place for good reason
CBC News·
The average wait list time for something like knee surgery is 18 months in New Brunswick, says Anthony Knight CEO of the New Brunswick Medical Society. (Helen Pike/CBC)
Is it necessary to see your family doctor first if you need to see a specialist?
That's the question raised by a listener of CBC New Brunswick's Information Morning. In a letter, the listener says the current process is time-consuming and costly.
The listener wrote that because they haven't been back to see the specialist in more than a year, they now need to go back to their family doctor and be referred to a specialist once again.
Anthony Knight is the CEO of the New Brunswick Medical Society and says he has heard the complaint before. But there are reasons why the process is in place.
"The information that is maintained with a primary care physician is kind of the bedrock information a patient might have," he said.
Primary care physicians play big role
The physician could have documentation on tests, examinations and other health issues and that information is relevant to a specialist, Knight said.
Patients may be right assuming they have to go back to that specialist, but that is not always the case as their health status could have changed, Knight said.
"Their health issue may require the advice or insight of another health care practitioner."
Specialists can order more tests and it is logical to return to a specialist if, for example, the same knee continues to hurt after surgery. But Knight said the primary care physician may realize the referral shouldn't be to a specialist, but maybe a physiotherapist.
"Going back to your family doctor can help navigate you through the system, have you given the right referral to the right service at the right time," he said.
Variations across specialties
Knight said that depending on the specialist, the window of time before you have to see a general practitioner for another referral is different.
"There are variations across specialties, so it's not necessarily that all [specialist] doctors would not see a patient after one year has lapsed," he said.
Knight said one example is a patient with diabetes who has to see an endocrinologist. "You wouldn't need to go back to your family doctor [in order] to see that endocrinologist, you would return on a follow-up basis."
Knight said there is not a high number of complaints about having to see a family doctor before a specialist, but rather about wait times in general.
The average wait time for a knee surgery is 18 months in New Brunswick, Knight said.
"That's unfortunately long, but that is close to the average of where we are today in New Brunswick for a procedure like that," he said, adding more needs to be done to cut down those waits.
David Amos Methinks its kinda rough getting family doctor when the province won't give me a health care card N'esy Pas?
David Amos Methinks everybody knows why Anthony Knight never got back to me when he was the CEO of the Fredericton Chamber of Commerce and why as the CEO of the New Brunswick Medical Society he did not care about my false imprisonment the the looney bin of the DECH or the fact that I still do not have a Health Care Card to the very day N'esy Pas?
Donald Smith Some family Dr's never make a referral though, are there any Physiatrists with Private Practice anymore in New Brunswick for a family Doctor to make a referral to ?
Reply to @Donald Smith: Maybe there is a reason not to refer. If everyone who wanted to see a specialist for issues that a GP can take care of then the waiting list to see specialists would double or triple.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Donald Smith: If there *aren't* any physiatrists in New Brunswick any more, that would certainly explain why family docs aren't referring to them.
David Amos
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Methinks everybody knows that I put quite a scare into the shrinks in NB in 2008 N'esy Pas?
Pipe for the Trans Mountain pipeline is unloaded in Edson, Alta., in June. (Jason Franson/The Canadian Press)
The Federal Court of Appeal has agreed to hear appeals from opponents determined to overturn the Liberal government's approval of the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project.
It's another legal hurdle for the long-delayed project — which, if it's built, will carry nearly a million barrels of oil per day from Alberta to B.C.'s coast.
The court has agreed to take up simultaneously six of 12 possible appeals to the federal cabinet's decision.
The court said it would hear evidence on whether the federal government adequately consulted with Indigenous peoples before approving the project for a second time in June — consultations that have since been described by critics as "window-dressing, box-ticking and nice-sounding words."
While the federal Liberal cabinet has now twice approved the project, Attorney General David Lametti "took no position for or against the leave motions brought by the Indigenous and First Nation applicants," the court said.
As of two weeks ago, some construction work was already underway. The Crown corporation that now owns the line has said it will be finished by mid-2022.
That timeline could now be in jeopardy if the B.C.-based Indigenous groups — including the Coldwater Indian Band, the Squamish Nation, the Tsleil-Wautuh Nation, the Upper Nicola Band and the Secwepemc Nation — are again successful in convincing the Federal Court to quash cabinet approvals and nullify construction permits.
A first nations canoe paddles near Trans Mountain's Westridge Marine Terminal in Burnaby, British Columbia in May 2019. (Ben Nelms/CBC)
"The court has ordered that the challenges proceed on an expedited basis. Short and strict deadlines for the steps in the litigation will be set," the court said in a short one-page news release Wednesday.
The court said the parties seeking an appeal have just seven days to file their applications for a judicial review, a timeline the court conceded is "extremely short."
"There is a substantial public interest in having the upcoming proceedings decided very quickly one way or the other," the court said.
Despite the potential for more delays through a court-ordered work stoppage, the Crown corporation building Trans Mountain said it is business as usual for now.
"As these cases make their way through the courts, we will continue with all aspects of planning and construction. The applications are challenging the decisions made by the Canada Energy Regulator and the federal government, but do not in and of themselves negate the pre-existing approvals provided by those governmental authorities until and unless the court rules otherwise," a spokesperson said.
Indigenous consultations at issue again
In a highly unusual move, the court also posted its legal reasons for agreeing to hear the appeals.
It said that Indigenous groups raised serious concerns about the federal Liberal government's re-do of the consultation process.
After the shock Federal Court decision last August, the government tasked retired Supreme Court justice Frank Iacobucci with leading the team of 60 Crown consultants who fanned out across Alberta and B.C. to meet with First Nations and Métis communities to document concerns and put forward recommendations that could mitigate the effects of this project.
"In their evidence, consisting of many thousands of detailed pages, the Indigenous and First Nations applicants point with considerable particularity and detail to issues they say were important to them.
They say the Government of Canada ignored these issues in the original process of consultation and ignored them again in the further consultation process. They add that little or nothing was done in the process of further consultation," Justice David Stratas said in the decision.
"In their view, the time left for the further consultation process, roughly four months, was insufficient to address the shortcomings identified by this Court in Tsleil-Waututh Nation. Even during these four months, some of the applicants allege inactivity by the Government of Canada."
The ruling said Indigenous peoples opposed to the project told the court they believe much of what the Liberal government did to address ongoing concerns — the Iacobucci-led consultation team, for one — was "just window-dressing, box-ticking and nice-sounding words, not the hard work of taking on board their concerns, exploring possible solutions, and collaborating to get to a better place."
No federal intervention in appeals process
The court said the attorney general did state that if the leaves to appeal were successful, and the opponents applied for a judicial review, the government would defend cabinet's decision.
"But on the leave motions they offered no submissions or evidence to assist the court," Stratas said. "Therefore, this court must conclude that the issue of adequacy of the further consultations ... meets the 'fairly arguable' standard for leave," he said.
Conservative Alberta MP Michelle Rempel said by failing to intervene in the appeals process the Liberal government "confirmed our worst suspicions."
"Today we found out Justin Trudeau rolled over and refused to stand up for the Trans Mountain pipeline in court — not submitting a defence against 11 motions to overturn the approval of the project," Rempel said.
"Trudeau never had any intention of seeing this pipeline built, but spent billions of tax dollars to kick the issue past the election. No one, on any side of the pipeline debate, should trust Justin Trudeau," she said.
The Federal Court of Appeal said Attorney General David Lametti "took no position for or against the leave motions brought by the Indigenous and First Nation applicants ... on the leave motions they offered no submissions or evidence to assist the court," the court said. (CBC)
When asked why the government did not try to head off another appeal by vigorously making its case in court, Natural Resources Minister Amarjeet Sohi said it was waiting to make such argument at "the right time."
"We want courts to decide who should have the right to appeal and who should not have the right to appeal at all," he said in an interview with CBC News Network's Power & Politics.
"We will be mounting that defence and at that time we will defend that record. We have a very strong record on these consultations and we responded to every legitimate concern that communities have identified. We have done everything right and I am confident we will continue to proceed. It will be completed by the middle of 2022."
While a troubling development for oil patch boosters, the court's decision was a major victory for some B.C. Indigenous peoples who have long opposed twinning the pipeline.
Leah George-Wilson, the chief of the Tsleil-Waututh Nation, near Vancouver, welcomed the decision to grant leave to appeal saying it's an "important step for defending our rights."
"We are confident that the court will once again decide in our favour. Tsleil-Waututh Nation participated in consultation in good faith again, but it was clear that Canada had already made up their mind as the owners of the project. Canada continued to do the legal minimum and in our view, fell well below the mark again," she said in a statement.
This Federal Court decision comes a year after the very same court quashed the federal cabinet's initial approval of the project — also citing inadequate consultations with Indigenous peoples affected by the project's construction.
The author of that decision, Justice Eleanor Dawson, did not mince words in her ruling, describing the Trudeau government's Indigenous consultation efforts as a "failure" and using that word well over 100 times in a 272-page decision.
While the majority of First Nations communities along the project's route have accepted the project and signed impact benefit agreements with the proponent — now a Crown-owned entity — some have flagged the potentially devastating effects of a spill on their traditional lands or in their waters as a risk factor demanding more accommodations.
Chief Leah George-Wilson of the Tsleil-Waututh Nation and several other Indigenous leaders discuss their court appeal of the latest Trans Mountain pipeline decision. (Maggie MacPherson/CBC)
Also in that 2018 decision, the court found the NEB's assessment of the project was so flawed — it did not consider the impact on marine life in B.C. waters — that it should not have been relied upon by the federal cabinet when it gave final approval to proceed in November 2016.
However, on Wednesday the court dismissed appeals centred on claims that the NEB did not do enough to address environmental and marine life concerns, saying that the agency, which has since been renamed the Canadian Energy Regulator, did prepare a substantial report for cabinet to review this time.
"Since this court's decision in Tsleil-Waututh Nation, the National Energy Board addressed this material deficiency by providing a comprehensive, detail-laden, 678-page report to the Governor in Council," Stratas said.
In rejecting another avenue for appeal, the court also dismissed a claim that cabinet was in a conflict-of-interest position because the government now owns the project, saying the governor-in-council (cabinet) is not the same as the Government of Canada.
The country's oil and gas sector is facing a serious pipeline capacity crunch, with all of the major export projects, including TC Energy's Keystone XL and Enbridge's Line 3, beset by delays.
The Liberal government bought the Trans Mountain expansion from its original U.S. proponent, Kinder Morgan, in 2018 after that company threatened to end all essential spending on the project in response to strident opposition from B.C.'s provincial NDP government.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has said the project will eventually be built "in the right way." Trudeau has said building the project, which would help deliver Canadian oil to tidewater for shipment to lucrative markets in Asia, will ensure Canada is not dependent on selling its natural resources to one customer — the United States.
The government has committed to directing every single dollar the federal government earns from the pipeline — which, if it's ever built, is estimated to be some $500 million a year in federal corporate tax revenue alone — to investments in unspecified clean energy projects.
Methinks Mr Prime Minister Trudeau The Younger and his Ministers and all their politcal foes know why I am enjoying this circus N'esy Pas?
Terry Jeffery
Let’s see the treaty the Queen signed with First Nation before oil was discovered besides the oil and Government can say or do anything about the right to put piplines on their lands.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Jeffery: Go Figure
"The author of that decision, Justice Eleanor Dawson, did not mince words in her ruling, describing the Trudeau government's Indigenous consultation efforts as a "failure" and using that word well over 100 times in a 272-page decision."
Alfred Frey
The Liberals are conceding the court's choice of those with the right to apply for judicial review. Why would they oppose that? It's kind of the usual suspects anyways. They heard appeals before.
David Amos
Reply to @Alfred Frey: Methinks they hope it is delayed for many years and they can blame the court for the delay N'esy Pas?
Earl Higgins
A Million barrels, is that the same number as the number of acres the Koch Brothers control in the tar sands?
R0bert Wilson
Reply to @Earl Higgins: Koch industries sold their oil sands leases and licences a few weeks ago. So they now control zero up there.
David Amos
Reply to @R0bert Wilson: Interesting if true
Alfred Frey
If the opposition hadn't burned so much powder wailing against "political interference" Rempel wouldn't have so many people scratching their heads this time around.
David Amos
Reply to @Alfred Frey: True
Brian Duog
Attorney General David Lametti "took no position for or against the leave motions brought by the Indigenous and First Nation applicants," the court said. -seems like the government is doing it can to prevent the pipeline while looking like they want it ?
David Amos
Reply to @brian duog: Methinks many folks have noticed that seems to be the case N'esy Pas?
Michael Robert
Where is Andy on this ? Quiet as usual and letting his minnows do the talking. But he has pledged to get pipelines built.
Diego Odorizzi
Reply to @Michael Robert: .. he’s pledged to use the constitutional powers afforded the government t get the pipeline done. Something that JT doesn’t have the b—lls to do
David Amos
Reply to @Diego Odorizzi: Oh So True
Michael Robert
Rempel on the rant as per usual. The Libs heavily condemned over trying to interfere over SNC and she says the AG should have been involved in this case.
David Amos
Reply to @Michael Robert: Methinks Rempel can cry quite a river N'esy Pas?
Jay Moeller
Ok so what I would like to know is this... If this project is only going to start in a year or two (best case), take another +- 5 years to complete, while many advanced economies are looking to have all electric cars by 2030, how exactly is this going to make economic sense?? just always wondered...
Alfred Frey
Reply to @Jay Moeller: It's scheduled to complete in 2022. This development doesn't change that.
Steve Vaughan
Reply to @Alfred Frey: How do you know that?
Alfred Frey
Reply to @Steve Vaughan: because nothing's changed
Jay Moeller
Reply to @Alfred Frey: The track record of major projects would suggest that that local and federal gov will not keep it on budget or on time... and by 2025 oil could be free falling for all we know... it is a good investment of tax dollars??
Edward B
Reply to @Jay Moeller: There is a good chance oil will not be in free fall by then, and that doesnt hurt this pipeline, the federal government will still get a toll from companies shipping on it.
David Allan
Reply to @Jay Moeller:
Oil has many more uses than just gasoline for personal cars.
David Allan
Reply to @Alfred Frey: In project management, a critical path is the sequence of project network activities which add up to the longest overall duration, regardless if that longest duration has float or not. This determines the shortest time possible to complete the project.
Manley Man
Reply to @Jay Moeller: that's just it. within a decade it will be a stranded asset. china knows the key to energy independence is electrification. and it's neighbouring countries will be right there as chinese influence through the 1 belt 1 road campaign brings them in. you can't have millions of fossil burning vehicles in cities without killing people.
and ten euro countries who also are banning sales of fossil fueled transportation by 2025 or 2030. it's a dead end for fossils as energy choice. it would have to drop to 10$ bbl to be able to compete with elecricity for transportation.
Manley Man
Reply to @David Allan: ebnergy is what drives the biggest demand. and within a decade, that will hange greatly. energy independence comes with electrification.
Jay Moeller
Reply to @David Allan: All good and well, and yes I know oil has a million other uses, but there are also just so many producers who aren't going to just cede market share especially in a shrinking market. Regarding the CPR, I imagined ti was to determine the shortest possible path and even when contingencies are accounted for, government manages to make the unlikely possible when dealing with delays... Look it will definitely make money, but is it the best return on investment? That's the real question here?
Alfred Frey
Reply to @David Allan: You think the planners don't know that?
Diego Odorizzi
Reply to @Jay Moeller: ..do you honestly believe 50% of all drivers on the planet can afford to buy a new vehicle in the next 10 years?...let alone 100%?
Jay Moeller
Reply to @Diego Odorizzi: Well if china (including others) have already started the transition (are on track currently) and should be set to be completely electric by 2030, is there any reason that a country cannot?? It's only really the US and Canada that have set their time frames so far back (2040 for canada not including pickups and semis and no plan for US). I think most of Europe is on similar trajectory as China and India is also making big strides... Once again really just North America who`s dragging their feet.. So yes I think it is not just doable but actually being done...
Manley Man
Reply to @Diego Odorizzi: sales of fossils will be banned in a decade. not fossil vehicles yet. another decade or 2 to totally phase them out. but the shift will be great enough to stop the rise in the need for petrol. we are at peak demand already. in the next 5 years we will see dropping demand.
Diego Odorizzi
Reply to @Manley Man: If I understand your comment, your saying that the sale of fossil fuels will be banned in a decade...but not fossil fuel vehicles?...I hope that’s not what your saying
Diego Odorizzi
Reply to @Jay Moeller: ..China will not be 100% electric by 2030. This article that came out this week should throw cold water on that assumption.
Reply to @Jay Moeller: Hopefully we will get a better price for our oil instead of giving it to Yankees at two thirds the value as per the dumb NAFTA deals N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Diego Odorizzi: Methinks I would have fun arguing the myth fossil fuels with many greasy gassy oily lawyers in Federal Court Perhaps I should intervene in the matter N'esy Pas?
Jay Moeller
Reply to @Diego Odorizzi: You are right... partly.. They will not be 100% electric, but by 2030 all vehicles manufactured will have to be. Now yes there is still money in oil as it produces a myriad of goods. The argument here however is, is it the best investment Canada and Alberta can make, it is a dying industry- why invest in the past? Now China would want to reduce their dependency on the US oil but be serious when asking yourself if it makes sense not to invest in alternate job markets and skills development??
Jay Moeller
Reply to @David Amos: Canada probably will for a little while and then they'll need to reorient the jobs and skills for an entire province... again... it's really just a race to the bottom..
David Amos
Reply to @Jay Moeller: I disagree Whether it be it a fossil fuel or not methinks we will always be in need of oil as will the rest of the world We should develop our own resources for our benefit first and foremost and sell the extra for a fair profit I believe that is common sense N'esy Pas?
Sally Ride
Let's not have any pipelines at all. Lets let ethical Saudi Arabia oil solve all our energy problems. God forbid Canada become self sufficient.
Stanley Baird
Reply to @Sally Ride: Time to declare this project to be in the national interest and move on as should have been done years ago.
David Amos
Reply to @Stanley Baird: I concur
Sandy Gillis
Reply to @Sally Ride: What's the actual point of the whole "Do you use oil products" question? I see it over and over in any discussion about the oil and gas industry in Canada or fossil fuel use in general.
Are you trying to say that, if we use oil products but speak out against oil companies, that we're some sort of hypocrites?
So, to follow your reasoning, if I were to ever watch a TV show or movie, I must at all times make my home and property available for use by TV and film production companies? I've used their products, maybe I even do it daily, so I'd be a hypocrite if i tried to limit their access or power in any way, right?
People can use oil products and still demand reasonable limits be set on the operations of oil and gas producers and suppliers. People can use oil products and still demand that government hold them to account for their actions. People can use oil products and still call for alternatives. There's no hypocrisy involved, it's not an all or nothing issue.
Sally Ride
Reply to @Sandy Gillis: slightly pregnant.
David Amos
Reply to @Sandy Gillis: Methinks if you wish to recall you don't know Federal Court like I do N'esy Pas?
Shirley Witt
This country is economically being paralyzed by stupidity!
David Amos
Reply to @Shirley Witt: Surprise Surprise Surprise
Mo Bennett
Reply to @Shirley Witt: you left out the politician part to complete yer sentence.
David Amos
Reply to @mo bennett: YO MO Methinks you and Mr Prime Minister Trudeau The Younger know why I seldom do N'esy Pas?
Adam Carver
Those that say that there were not enough consultations I disagree. This story has been headlines for years, you've had your chance time to move on.
Jeff Rutledge
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Bart Roberts
Reply to @Jeff Rutledge: Straw man. There's a huge difference between "enough consultations" and "consulting enough". There have been exercise clubs for years, you've had your chance so why are you so out of shape?
Jeff Rutledge
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Bart Roberts
Reply to @Jeff Rutledge: Too many people decide things "on a personal note" without considering how they're accountable for more than just their own person, it seems. The right to swing fists ends where anyone else's nose begins. Legitimate consultation is consultative, not just sitting around running out the clock mocking and ignoring what's being said by others. Is there any legitimate consultation in pipelines? Really? The NEB heard that pipelines would do irreversible harms, but still overruled that with some imagined "national interest" that it never actually established, but only assumed. The nation can do fine without fossil fume emissions, and recover from the transition to fossil free well. The nation without forests, farms, fisheries, whales.. that's something we will not recover from, and that is what pipelines will cause.
Stanley Baird
Reply to @Jeff Rutledge: some think consultations mean a veto power. Time for a decision (again) and yes some will be unhappy but we all will be better off to stop giving away our oil to the US.
David Amos
Reply to @Jeff Rutledge: YUP
Van Collins
Reply to @Jeff Rutledge: The National Energy Board failed in this process and that's why it's still being dragged through the mud.
Michele McLean
Reply to @Jeff Rutledge: The story is that there weren't sufficient consultations. That's the story.
David Amos
Reply to @Van Collins: Methinks everybody knows everything political is always about the money Whereas the writ is about to be dropped what better time to go for the gold N'esy Pas?
Chris Spring
Trans Mountain going nowhere is just what JT wants. As long as it is tied up in court, he doesn't have to deal with it.
Sally Ride
Reply to @Chris Spring: No jobs for Canadians req'd west of the Quebec/Ontario border.
David Amos
Reply to @Chris Spring: YUP
Lorraine Karuse
Reply to @Chris Spring: I support this pipeline AND the one to Eastern Canada. DON'T blame JT for this. People living around that pipeline have issues they want resolved
Joan Watkins
Reply to @Sally Ride: Ontario supports both Trans Mountain & Energy East. It's Quebec and British Columbia that don't want them. Quebec has hydro electric and B.C. wants to fill their own pipelines with their natural gas.
John Oaktree
Reply to @Chris Spring:
Ya - he paid $7 billion and went through all the hard work of approving the pipeline because he doesn't want it?????
And this makes sense to you???
I guess Andrew Scheer does NOT want to be Prime Minister. He's working too hard at it...
John Oaktree
Reply to @Joan Watkins:
Quebec gets 30% of their oil from Alberta.
And I agree - they should cut out the Saudis and buy the rest of their oil from Newfoundland and Labrador.
Newfoundland and Labrador is closer and already has established shipping routes AND, it's conventional oil which is easier to refine.
John Oaktree
Reply to @Joan Watkins:
BTW - don't you remember the days when Alberta told the east "you'll freeze in the dark before you get a drop of Alberta oil"???
I do.
Funny how they're BEGGING us to buy it now...
David Mccaig
Reply to @Sally Ride: Quote "No jobs for Canadians req'd west of the Quebec/Ontario border." ALBERTA promised jobs if Trudeau bought the pipeline and showered the oil path with billions of welfare. WELL GUESS WHAT, over the last 4 years the tar sands has shipped 4 billion barrels of oil to market and Alberta's STILL in a recession, STILL no new jobs, STILL high unemployment.
David Amos
Reply to @John Oaktree: Methinks Mr Spring is correct about Trudeau and you are correct about Scheer Hence I should run again However even though an Independent can never be a Prime Minister I should not miss the chance to play my part in this Circus N'esy Pas?
Kevin Lacroix
Just build the darn thing. If not then shut down the ports in BC. Cruise ships are increasing in the area, ferry routes increasing. You cant have it both ways.
Lets not forget about the most recent train derailments as well.
David Amos
Reply to @Kevin Lacroix: I agree
Harry Harrison There has never been a spill from the dock at Trans Mountain's marine terminal in 60 years of operations. As far as a risk assessment goes it doesn't get any better than that. The courts have got to throw all these challenges out and the courts have got to realize these zealots will never be onboard. So far the court challenges are 17-0 in the pipelines favour.
David Amos
Reply to @Harry Harrison: Methinks the circus must go on at least until after the election N'esy Pas?
Garth Peter Hasn’t this cost enough money already, get the thing built.
David Amos
Reply to @Garth Peter: Methinks any circus overseen by politicians always costs a lot of money N'esy Pas?
Richard Dekkar Yet more economy destroying delays funded fully by foreign eco billionaires and agitators.
Kyle Billing
Reply to @Richard Dekkar:
What more?
Your opinion(some would call a conspiracy theory)looks to me like something the NRA(a lobby group and nothing else) would say.
Jack Smak
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Kyle Billing
Reply to @Jack Smak:
Oh, Zing.
Now how about a sensible, coherent, relative retort?
Andrew Burgess
Reply to @Kyle Billing: we are waiting for yours first mr.nation
Kyle Billing
Reply to @Andrew Burgess:
Sticks and stones Drew.
Luther Blisset
Reply to @Richard Dekkar: Sorry but the groups with standing for this appeal are not foreign, but are actually sovereign nations who are occupied. Do your homework before you spread fake news.
David Amos
Reply to @Richard Dekkar: YUP
David Amos
Reply to @Luther Blisset: Methinks you should do a little homework yourself Federal Court File No T-1557-15 would be a find place to start in order to ask a few questions before the writ is dropped N'esy Pas?
Andrew Burgess Build it!!!!
David Amos
Reply to @Andrew Burgess: Methinks many agree with you N'esy Pas?
[From Left] Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau, Green Party Leader Elizabeth May, then-New Democratic Party Leader Thomas Mulcair and then-prime minister Stephen Harper take part in the Maclean's/Citytv debate during the 2015 federal election. (Mark Blinch/Reuters)
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is committing to taking part in two federal election debates and is willing to do a third — but will be a no-show for both the Munk and Maclean's/Citytv debates, despite efforts to convince the Liberal leader to take part.
The two debates that Trudeau has committed to attending are being organized by the Leaders' Debates Commission, which was established after the last election and is led by former governor general David Johnston.
"The commission was established after the last election where the governing party tried to game the system and make sure the fewest number of Canadians engaged in the debates. We think that's wrong," Daniel Lauzon, the Liberals' director of communications and policy for the campaign, said in a statement.
"The commission debates will be widely distributed on television, radio, digital and social streaming platforms and reach the largest possible audience."
The Liberals also have given a provisional yes to Quebec-based TVA to participate in a third debate if all parties can agree on a date. TVA is the only major Canadian network not included in the commission and commands the largest television audiences in Quebec.
The broadcasters taking part in the commission are:
CBC News.
Radio-Canada.
Global News.
CTV News.
The Toronto Star and the Torstar chain.
HuffPost Canada.
HuffPost Quebec.
La Presse.
Le Devoir.
L'Actualité.
The Quebec audience is one that Trudeau is keen to reach in this campaign. The Liberals are anticipating seat losses in Atlantic Canada and the Prairies. They hope to hang on to government by offsetting those losses with gains in Quebec and possibly Ontario.
While the Liberals are willing to do the TVA debate this time, a spokesperson says the party is trying to convince the broadcaster to participate in future commission debates.
'A formidable debater'
The decision means that Trudeau will not be taking part in the Munk Debates on foreign policy, set for Oct. 1 — a debate Trudeau did take part in during the 2015 election.
It also means the prime minister will not participate in the Maclean's/Citytv leaders debate scheduled to take place September 12.
So far, Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer, NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh and Green Party Leader Elizabeth May have all agreed to participate in the Munk and Maclean's/Citytv debates.
A spokesperson for the Conservative Party said the debates are about Canadians, not the leaders, and Scheer would be attending all election debates.
"We know Justin Trudeau is a formidable debater, as he proved in the last election. The only reason he would have for not wanting to attend all the debates is that he's afraid to defend his record," Brock Harrison said in a statement.
During the 2015 election, then-prime minister Stephen Harper refused to participate in the English language debate being run by the consortium of broadcasters, the predecessor to the commission.
Harper instead agreed to participate in the Maclean's/Citytv debate and the Globe and Mail debate, on top of the French language consortium debate, TVAs' debate and the bilingual Munk debate on foreign policy.
The opposition at the time criticized Harper's decision to snub the English language consortium debate in favour of smaller debates, some of which were only streamed online, as a move that prevented the largest possible audience from viewing the exchanges between party leaders.
Trudeau was keen to participate in multiple debates in 2015 — an election that saw the longest campaign period in modern Canadian history. But Trudeau's critics now argue that he is cherry-picking debates for political reasons.
In the last election he was the third-party leader and had much to gain from engaging with other leaders at every opportunity. But as prime minister, Trudeau exposes himself to greater political risk by agreeing to additional debates.
"We're disappointed. Canadians deserve better. This is not the new politics Mr. Trudeau promised," NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said in a statement.
"It's hard to know which questions Mr. Trudeau didn't want to be accountable to. Why did you buy a pipeline? Why did you give the Weston family $12 million for fridges, but yet can't find the money for a Pharmacare program? Why do you care more about helping your wealthy friends than hard-working families?"
"I'm not surprised he doesn't want to answer these questions because he wouldn't answer me when I asked him in Parliament. But he should answer to Canadians."
Green Party Leader Elizabeth May said she has mixed feelings.
May said she supports the purpose of the debate commission since she had been left off the stage in past years.
"Debates are a constant source of backroom dealing and anti-democratic collusion," she told CBC. However, May said, she would rather see more debates than fewer, and called Trudeau's decision to skip out on the Munk and Maclean's/Citytv debates a "shame."
The Liberals say Trudeau's refusal to do more than three debates is about logistics. The election hasn't officially started but it will be a more conventional five or six-week campaign, not the marathon writ period of 2015. Each debate takes several days of preparation and limits the campaign's ability to travel away from the debate sites — which are exclusively in Ontario and Quebec.
Larry Porter Where is the PPC they have a full slate of candidates. Why is the Bloc included? They are not a national party!! Has nobody got the gonads to throw them out? Lets hear from everybody not the chosen ones!!
David Amos
Reply to @Larry Porter: Methinks you should say hey to your hero the politcal lawyer Maxime Bernier for me EH?. Trust that everybody knows he has had Hard Copy of my lawsuits etc since he first became a Cabinet Minister for Harper in 2006 now you do too N'esy Pas?
Rick Ward Plucky Chicken wants to be in control of the narrative. Drunk on their own arrogance recently scribed a CBC reporter in reference to the current regime in Ottawa.
David Amos
Reply to @rick ward: Methinks the worm is turning N'esy Pas?
Donald Craig "Methinks.......N'esy Pas"..... theres a bubble over flowing with tears.
David Amos Content disabled Reply to @donald craig: Methinks you should quit laughing and starting reading all my comments N'esy Pas?
David Amos Reply to @David Amos: Oh My My Did I strike another nerve?
Donald Craig Liberal in a bubble...."methinks"....lolol.
David Amos Reply to @donald craig: Methinks a lot of folks would agree that I should ask if you bother to read anything and think about it before you offer your two bits worth N'esy Pas?
Larry Porter Reply to @David Amos: Me thinks you over stayed you day pass from the home!! N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Larry Porter: Methinks you should find your conscience N'esy Pas?
Larry Porter Reply to @David Amos: I will when you will! Nasty Paws!!
David Amos
Reply to @Larry Porter: Methinks you buddy Maxime Bernier and his liberal foes have no doubt that I am about to make you rather infamous byway a certain blog and Twitter as well N'esy Pas?
Donald Craig Virtually no one believes any Liberal. such as the UnSourced anecdote from MacKenna, that was yesterdays clickbait.
David Amos Content disabled Reply to @donald craig: Methinks you should find what remains of my comments in yesterday's "clickbait" because this comment section is still open and now I am talking about you N'esy Pas?
David Amos Content disabled Reply to @David Amos: Oh My MY Methinks many political pundits are having Deja Vu bigtime as many comments (not just mine) go "POOF" N'esy Pas?
David Amos Reply to @David Amos: Methnks thats just more proof of the pudding N'esy Pas?
David Amos Methinks out of the gate in another article CBC does a fairly good job of explaining why Mr Prime Minister Trudeau The Younger does not wish to debate his opponents as much as he did 4 years ago N'esy Pas?
Why Justin Trudeau's main foe in 2019 is the Justin Trudeau of 2015
A leader who frames every issue around ideals can expect blowback when he can't - or won't - live up to them Aaron Wherry · CBC News · Posted: Sep 07, 2019 4:00 AM ET
"The Justin Trudeau of 2019 — the leader who is now seeking re-election — is not the Justin Trudeau of 2015, the young politician who became Canada's 23rd prime minister on a sunny day in November four years ago.
For one thing, the Trudeau of 2019 now knows exactly how much trouble can result when you make an open-ended, but absolute, promise to implement electoral reform.
The promises of 2015 (simple and aspirational) have become an actual record of governing (messy and imperfect). Not everything went according to plan. Some things didn't get done. There is now a list of missteps and controversies for Trudeau's political opponents to recite and dwell upon, from a vacation on the Aga Khan's island to the SNC-Lavalin affair. If Trudeau was a different kind of politician in 2015, he is now some degree closer to being just another politician in 2019."
Robert Romano Trudeau shying away from any camera is highly unusual so why isn’t he attending all the debates? Maybe he doesn’t want to attend any open debates where the candidates NOT get the questions before hand. Sad because this is one of the only times we get to see the leaders answering questions, unlike the HoC question period!
David Amos
Reply to @Robert Romano: BINGO
BROCK Blakely I listened to some of the old debates and Justin won’t allow Harper to answer any questions without talking over him, very rude. Hopefully the moderator could be more independent instead of supporting the left
David Amos
Reply to @BROCK blakely: Cry me a river
Donald Craig Reply to @David Amos: lolololol. "Methinks" lolololol.. how ironic
David Amos Reply to @donald craig: Who is crying now?
David Amos Hmmm
"The Leaders' Debate Commission, the body organizing two major federal election debates, has invited the leaders of five political parties to participate with the notable exception of People's Party Leader Maxime Bernier.
He has been left off the list, at least for now.
Bloc Québécois Leader Yves-François Blanchet, Conservative Party Leader Andrew Scheer, Green Party Leader Elizabeth May, Liberal Party Leader Justin Trudeau and NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh have secured tickets to the Oct. 7 English-language debate and the French-language affair on Oct. 10."
Methinks all the other party leaders must be relieved by the fact that it appears Harper 2.0's lawyer buddy Bernier is persona non grata at all the debates N'esy Pas?
"So far, Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer, NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh and Green Party Leader Elizabeth May have all agreed to participate in the Munk and Maclean's/Citytv debates.
A spokesperson for the Conservative Party said the debates are about Canadians, not the leaders, and Scheer would be attending all election debates."
David Amos Whereas Trudeau is ducking debates just like Harper did last time methinks my fellow Maritimers may enjoy a little Deja Vu about the last time all the political parties focused on the middle class and jobs etc N'esy Pas?
Brian Spence Zombie Harp was not invited to the debates. Although he is convinced that he still controls the free world, wisdom prevailed. Stephan Harper will not be coming back for you. He has your money, that's enough.
David Amos
Reply to @Brian Spence: Methinks Harper 2.0 will be in all the debates following his orders N'esy Pas?
Gary Barrat complete bias . the debates are all liberal forums !
David Amos
Reply to @Gary Barratt: Methinks if that were true then Trudeau should attend them all N'esy Pas?
"Trudeau was keen to participate in multiple debates in 2015 — an election that saw the longest campaign period in modern Canadian history. But Trudeau's critics now argue that he is cherry-picking debates for political reasons."
David Amos Methinks Trudeau is acting more and more like Harper N'esy Pas?
Brett Mclaughlan
Reply to @David Amos: in what respect, because in some that would require a massive improvement by the PM, nothing indicates that he is capable of that
David Amos
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Reply to @Brett Mclaughlan: Google CBC Fundy Royal and read my comments 2 days before the last polling day while your hero Harper was still the Prime Minister and Scheer was still the Speaker
David Amos
Reply to @Brett Mclaughlan: Go figure why my reply was blocked
Brett Mclaughlan Ironically if the sitting PM does not attend a debate the others should also cancel, why should they all subject themselves to debate and potentially damage if the others aren't there, there is no upside to Trudeau debating, and it seems his team has realized that. Others should consider that these other appearances have more downside than up
David Amos
Reply to @Brett Mclaughlan: Surely you jest
Brett Mclaughlan
Reply to @David Amos: surely not, but what's your perspective,
David Amos
Reply to @Brett Mclaughlan: Whereas I have nothing to hide I am often barred from debates because the media and their political cohorts are afraid that folks will find out why I was illegally from all the parliamentary properties in Canada Hence unlike your political heroes I debate them every chance I get.
Brett Mclaughlan
Reply to @David Amos: that is a lot of words for not even an incoherent thought to emerge, do try to be succinct and relevant
David Amos
Reply to @Brett Mclaughlan: Google Fundy Royal Debate or simply my name
Corby Amano
Reply to @Brett Mclaughlan: Im with you. Thats a great idea but knowing Justin this won't fly
Richard Lane If you want to know the Character of someone in the Liberal Party; just check out those Conservative Election ads about their leaders. They have all proven to be very accurate.
"Just Visiting|" Michael Ignatieff......stuck around for appearances for a while...then bolted the country after they rejected him.
"Not ready"....of course, this is Justin Trudeau....and he proves he's "not ready" every time an issue more difficult than sock selection presents itself.
David Amos
Reply to @Richard lane: Methinks its interesting that Rogers Media is not on your list N'esy Pas?
Richard Lane Sooo.......these are the folks making up the "Commission" eh?
CBC News. Radio-Canada. Global News. CTV News. The Toronto Star and the Torstar chain. HuffPost Canada. HuffPost Quebec. La Presse. Le Devoir. L'Actualité.
Tell me again how it was the Conservatives who were trying to control the debates in their favour?
Looks like a laundry list of Liberal lovers; and Conservative haters. (except maybe Global)
But I bet Global would not have been approved post SNC.
David Amos
Reply to @Richard lane: Methinks CTV would strongly disagree with your opinion of them N'esy Pas?
Rob Seitl Checked that list of broadcasters on that commission on media bias fact check website, all lean centre left, no wonder Trudeau will only participate in their debates! All Liberal friendly
Richard Lane
Reply to @Rob Seitl: Yep....trudeau has a hard enough time answering simple questions; even when they have been given to him ahead of them being asked......He wouldn't last long at a MONK debate.
David Amos
Reply to @Richard lane: Methinks you should explain to the folks how he became the PM N'esy Pas?
Louise Fribance Of course he’ll go on debates sponsored by the only media he’s supporting financially. What a coward he is.
David Amos
Reply to @Louise Fribance: I agree
Stan Brown “Umm ahh err I’m not going in debates because I’m top busy helping the middle class and saving the environment all at the same time..”
David Amos
Reply to @Stan Brown: Methinks he has not done much to benefit the middle class or the environment over the past four years N'esy Pas?
Larry Porter Because the most intelligent thing about JT is his socks!! And answering questions is not his bag!!
ABL 2019
David Amos
Reply to @Larry Porter: What is with Conservative people constantly talking about the dude's socks? Methinks there are far more important issues to address N'esy Pas?
Eric Biallas 'Chicken Man"
David Amos
Reply to @Eric Biallas: Methinks that must be witty for a Conservative N'esy Pas?
Phil Karza If I were Trudeau, I would be wary of debating my record, too. He has a lot of 'splaining to do.
David Amos
Reply to @Phil Karza: YUP
April Wong CH IC KEN.............gotta make sure they are scripted in Liberal friendly environments...some LEADER !
David Amos Reply to @april wong: Methinks Mr Prime Minister Trudeau the Younger is afraid to debate the circus he created N'esy Pas?
Jeff Bonzo Nothing to debate here... trudeau is the worst PM in Canadian history. Its a fact.
David Amos Reply to @Jeff Bonzo: Methinks many folks strongly disagree with you without further input from me N'esy Pas?
Daryll Mcbain Trudeau can’t debate with unscripted questions.
David Amos Reply to @Daryll Mcbain: True
Laine Smith So the Coles notes version Trudeau will only attend 2 debates hosted by a large group of left leaning media that he recently gave 600 million to..
David Allan Reply to @Laine Smith:
Postmedia is left leaning?
Wow, you're so far right that Mussolini is left of you.
David Amos Reply to @Laine Smith: Methinks many except the people working for CTV would agree that is it in a nutshell N'esy Pas?
Donald Craig Reply to @David Allan: the Forrest, Forrest Gump point of view. which side of Forrest are you on?
David Amos Reply to @donald craig: Methinks Mr Gump would agree that Stupid Is As Stupid Does N'esy Pas?
Paul Ethier Trudeau tells Canadians he has no time for election debates but takes day to attend NETFLIX Hasan Minhaj show. Arrogance and condescending hypocrisy defines inept Trudeau.
David Allan Reply to @Paul Ethier:
"Trudeau tells Canadians he has no time for election debates but takes day to attend NETFLIX Hasan Minhaj show."
Which debate did he miss to do that? Oh, none.
David Amos Reply to @Paul Ethier: Oh So True
Donald Craig Reply to @David Allan: 67000+ congrats on you missing the real world.
David Amos Reply to @donald craig: Methinks many would agree that you are the dude who is lost in cyberspace N'esy Pas?
Jack Lester if a PM can't stand up and defend his 4 years in government he doesn't deserve re election ABL
David Allan Reply to @jack lester:
"if a PM can't stand up and defend his 4 years in government he doesn't deserve re election ABL"
Agreed. That doesn't actually fit the reality of this situation. Trudeau is still attending debates.
He just took a page from the CPC Harper book on not attending all debates.
David Amos
Reply to @jack lester: I Wholeheartedly Agree Sir
David Amos
Reply to @David Allan: BINGO and look who is gone
Donald Craig Reply to @David Allan: lolol. too funny 67000+ talking about reality.
David Amos Reply to @donald craig: Methinks you should tell your heroes Mr Scheer and Mr Bernier that you have a thing for Mr Allan and mean old me N'esy Pas?
Marlene Lauder I guess Quebecers don’t care that he is unethical. At least that is what JT thinks. Hope they don’t believe his sickening rationale
David Amos Reply to @Marlene Lauder: Methinks you forgot the Orange Wave that sunk the liberals years ago I bet the current NDP leader/lawyer has not N'esy Pas?
Donald Craig Reply to @David Amos: Ontario will be between Orange (inner TO & Ham, some NOnt) and Blue. Libs will not get 10 seats here.
David Amos
Reply to @donald craig: Dream on
Douglas Locke Does it really matter? Is there any Canadian that still believes anything JT says??
David Amos Reply to @Douglas Locke: Methinks everybody knows I never did and thats only one of the many reasons why I am running again N'esy Pas?
Jace Braidwith The Liberal strategy backroom brain trust are pretty shrewd. They probably figure that they're lucky they're still even with the Conservatives. So, the less that Canadian voters see of Trudeau in the campaign, perhaps struggling to form a coherent sentence without the usual dull platitudes, the better.
David Amos
Reply to @Jace Braidwith: Methinks they are not all that shrewd with Mr Butts still overseeing the circus N'esy Pas?
Threats, abuse move from online to real world, McKenna now requires security
6660 Comments Commenting is now closed for this story.
Andy Scott I might believe her.. but thousands wouldn’t
Content disabled I could not save what I posted when I refreshed the page because all the content within the thread of the ghost of the dude I ran against in the election of the 39th Parliament were disabled not just mine and I had forgotten what I posted. However my other comments were obviously read because they had recieved serval "dislikes" before they went "POOF" so I gave up and went to the article about Trudeau and debates that was still open after 2 days and continued to agrue the Conservative Trolls there
Catherine Ridley Though I am in complete opposition to her politics, she does not deserve the threats to herself and her family.
Mark Stanford Reply to @Catherine Ridley: agreed, but how is she allowed armed security and I can’t carry a concealed hand gun , the lib want to take our guns away but it’s fine for them to be protected but men with guns.
David Amos
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Reply to @Mark stanford: Methinks a lot of folks don't believe anything this politcal lawyer has to say about anything N'esy Pas?
Rhea Montgomery Threats are NEVER ok. Doesn't matter where you sit on politics.
Nav Saloojee Reply to @Rhea Montgomery: Comments echoing yours should be the only posts here. Those who are providing justifications should take a long look at themselves in the mirror.
Renoto Y Schultz
Reply to @Rhea Montgomery: To quote Dawn McNeil below: "Civilized society helps us all live together peacefully with no duels or showdowns at noon. We don't want a free for all, we want a decent life with respect for everyone."
Jack Slate
So were you outraged when republican and rebup supporters were getting harassed at restaurants and even at their own home?
Jack Slate
I agree that these politicians should be left alone in their private lives. Just that we've seen it south of the border and nobody seemed to care cause they leaned right.
Bill Andreas
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Aaron Morris
Reply to @Bill Andreas: Everybody agrees. Now can we see examples of actual threats?
Alex Forbes
Reply to @Rhea Montgomery: Most of the stuff in the articles isn't even threats. It's just rude behavior.
Rhea Montgomery
Reply to @Jack Slate: Yes. As stated above, no one should be harassed or bullied. There is a way to deal with what you don't agree with and that is by voting.
Dalton Forest
Reply to @Rhea Montgomery: "...Alberta Energy Minister Sonya Savage said "in no way does our government condone any form of abuse, verbal or otherwise, towards private citizens or elected officials." Better to say that they condemn that kind of behavior.
Stanley Baird
Reply to @Rhea Montgomery: agree totally. And the PM was caught lying and interfering with a trial over SNC and she (a lawyer who took an oath) did not have the courage to stand up for what's right with the minister of justice. This tells me everything I need to know about McKenna's character.
David Amos
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Reply to @Rhea Montgomery: Methinks I should ask why all the cops and politicians laughed at me when my children were threatened N'esy Pas?
James Bilodeau Poor politicians. Make a mess of Canada and wonder why people are angry.
David Amos
Reply to @James Bilodeau: Methinks common sense is a rare thing to be found in the minds of political lawyers N'esy Pas?
Kevin Delaney Cars have license plates. No tolerance for abuse. No anonymity for abusive people.
David Amos Reply to @Kevin Delaney: Exactly so why wasn't the dude at least questioned by the cops?
Threats, abuse move from online to real world, McKenna now requires security
Minister was confronted outside a movie theatre while walking with her children
Minister of Environment and Climate Change Catherine McKenna now has to be accompanied by security. (Sean Kilpatrick/The Canadian Press)
Environment Minister Catherine McKenna says she was recently walking outside a movie theatre with her children when a car slowly pulled to a stop beside them.
The driver rolled down his window and then he let fly.
"F--k you, Climate Barbie," he shouted, as she tried to back away from his car and get her kids away from him.
Much has been written about the online abuse and threatening behaviour politicians — especially female politicians — and others in the public eye face every day. But McKenna says as the heat around climate change continues to grow, that abuse is going from anonymous online vitriol to terrifying in-person verbal assaults.
The incident at the movie theatre is just one of several times her kids have been with her when someone in public began to yell at her. She has been called the C-word, a traitor, an enemy and a "communist piece of garbage." Her family's safety has been threatened more than once. Some people have wished she and her children will get fatal diseases. She has received sexualized messages so hateful they could be enough to make even the hardest of hearts skip a beat.
"Tick Tock, Barbie B---h," one read.
"You're a stain on this country and I hope you rot in hell," said another.
The threats have become real enough that McKenna sometimes now requires a security detail, a level of protection even cabinet ministers don't usually get.
"There are places, yes, that I have to have security now and I don't think that's a great situation," she said. "I'm someone who is trying to do my job, live my life, and talk and engage with people, and it makes it harder. I'm not going to let this stop me but I wish it would stop."
McKenna would not elaborate on the security needs, so as not to reveal when she has less protection. She said the online abuse in particular has been going on since she was elected, but that in recent months it has gotten much worse in person.
"The challenges, the increases of this, is worrying for everyone," she said.
A worrying trend
McKenna is not alone in fearing for her safety. Tzeporah Berman, international program co-ordinator for Stand.Earth, said earlier this summer that she has received death threats and was physically assaulted in the Edmonton airport by a man angry about her campaign to close down the oil sands. Catherine Abreu, the executive director of Climate Action Network, Canada, said the issue is a constant source of frustration and fear for environmentalists.
"We talk about it every single day," said Abreu. "There are many people in my community who feel they are under threat."
Abreu and Berman both point to politicians as stoking the fires. Abreu said U.S. President Donald Trump's rhetorical attacks have emboldened people who now feel it is perfectly acceptable to insult, abuse and threaten people they disagree with.
Berman said the threats and attacks against her worsened after Alberta Premier Jason Kenney launched his "war room," a $30-million project to discredit people he says are using foreign funding to undermine Canada's energy sector. Berman and others are being named by the Alberta government and called enemies for opposing the oil industry.
Anti-pipeline activist Tzeporah Berman speaking to reporters in 2018. (CBC)
"Since Kenney announced his $30 million warroom to attack environmental advocates & this poster of me was held up at his press conference I have had death threats, misogynist & sexual attacks on social media," she tweeted in June. "This is what that kind of fear mongering & hate does."
An attached image shows a sheet of paper with a photo of her speaking into a bullhorn in front of a banner reading "NO TARSANDS PIPELINE." Below the photo are the words "Tzeporah Berman: Enemy of the oilsands." Kenney didn't hold it up but a supporter introducing him at a pro-oilsands news conference in June did.
A spokeswoman for Alberta Energy Minister Sonya Savage said "in no way does our government condone any form of abuse, verbal or otherwise, towards private citizens or elected officials."
Samantha Peck said the "Fight Back Strategy" is in development but the war room itself has not yet been established and hasn't issued any publications naming any specific individuals.
The United Conservative Party has named at least one individual in a fundraising pitch to supporters. Emma Jackson, who works from Climate Justice Edmonton, shared the letter on Aug. 30, which named her as a "radical anti-oil and gas activist."
Berman's tweet was itself met with a torrent of abuse, many of which called her a liar or said she deserved everything she got. A handful of people said while they disagreed vehemently with Berman's activities, the threats and abuse were not acceptable. They, too, were then attacked.
'Climate Barbie'
McKenna said she doesn't call this sort of thing out often because she fears giving abusers attention. In 2017, she did stop to call foul when Conservative MP Gerry Ritz referred to her on Twitter as "Climate Barbie."
The insult was coined by the right-wing website, The Rebel, shortly after McKenna was named environment minister and has been used in hundreds, if not thousands, of insults hurled her direction.
Ritz, a former agriculture minister who has since resigned from Parliament, deleted his tweet and apologized for the slur when it was met with outrage.
McKenna said the fact that climate-change deniers have now verbally attacked Greta Thunberg, a 16-year-old Swedish climate activist, proves just how low some will go to discredit their opponents.
People's Party of Canada Leader Maxime Bernier was among them, accusing Thunberg in a tweet of being mentally unstable. He later said he wasn't trying to insult her, just show that she was a pawn being used by adults to put an unassailable face on their lies that climate change is a human-caused emergency.
David Raymond Amos@DavidRayAmos Replying to @DavidRayAmos@alllibertynews and 49 others Methinks much to Madame May's chagrin Harper and Scheer know that nobody cares what Stockwell Day has to say about anything anymore Anyone can see the CBC latest poll predicts that the NDP will beat the Greens to 3rd place N'esy Pas?
If the NDP is 'toast', do the Greens have what it takes?
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David Amos Methinks much to Madame May's chagrin Harper and Scheer know that nobody cares what Stockwell Day has to say about anything anymore Anyone can see the CBC latest poll predicts that the NDP will beat the Greens to 3rd place N'esy Pas?
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New Democrats and Greens battle it out
Vassy Kapelos, host of Power & Politics
"The NDP," Stockwell Day told CBC's Power Panel last week, "is toast."
The statement was somewhat surprising coming from the former Conservative cabinet minister, who had been defending NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh's political potential for months. Not that surprising, though, given the number of people writing off the New Democrats these days.
Even Charlie Angus admitted a few days ago he's been reading his party's obituary for a long time. Angus insisted that obit isn't ready to be printed, but his counter-argument was all about the kind of power New Democrats could enjoy in a minority government — one led by another party.
Singh himself all but acknowledged recently how low the party is setting its sights in 2019 when he ripped into Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer over his 2005 comments on same-sex marriage. He said the NDP would not support a Conservative minority. But why would he even talk about a minority government at this point? Singh is supposed to be running to form a government of his own - not to prop one up (or knock one down).
I don't like to write any party off. I remember how many people (in the media and outside of it) used to say it would be a cold day in hell before Justin Trudeau ever became prime minister. (Prior to the last election, you'll remember, the Liberals were polling a distant third.)
The campaign changed things. That's what campaigns do. I think just about anything could happen in the coming campaign as well.
But it's pretty bleak out there for the Dippers right now: not a lot of cash in the coffers, polling below the Greens in Quebec (the single most important province for the party) and nowhere near a full slate of candidates in the days before the real campaign begins.
The natural heir to whatever ground the New Democrats have lost would appear to be the Green Party. But that isn't a given.
Green Party of Canada leader Elizabeth May speaks in Toronto during a fireside chat about the climate. (THE CANADIAN PRESS)
Take a look at the events of the past week. (Stay with me — it's complicated.)
First came an announcement that 14 New Democrats in New Brunswick, all provincial save for one member of the federal executive, were defecting to the Green Party because they didn't like their chances as NDP candidates.
Then, one of the defectors told The Canadian Press he's talked to people in the province who are uncomfortable with Singh's religion.
A day went by and the NDP started calling around newsrooms, saying not all the people on the defectors' list are actually leaving for the Greens. A handful came out publicly to say they're sticking with the NDP. Singh said Green Party Leader Elizabeth May "has a lot to answer for."
Green Party Leader Elizabeth May released a statement. "I won't attack (Singh)," she says — after attacking him at length, accusing him of blowing off New Brunswick and reminding him that "being a federal party leader is hard work." All of which should tell you that Trudeau and Scheer are quite right when they predict the coming campaign will be "nasty."
The defectors story is complicated and weird. Does it point to organizational problems for the Greens and the NDP? Probably.
If the Greens orchestrated this regional coup, they need to work on their coup-making skills. Some of the people on the initial list of defectors reportedly thought they were simply talking about a merger with the Greens. Others said they didn't even know they'd been added to the list. (One Green candidate in the Maritimes gulped when I called to ask about this week's events, calling them "embarrassing.")
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Greens are accustomed to being questioned about their organizational competence. In election after election, they're dogged by the question of whether they can turn their popular support into actual seats. (They also don't like it when you ask that question; May once told me she's "over it.")
David Chernushenko is a former deputy leader of the Greens and a failed leadership candidate. He said the party's lack of a ground game was always a problem.
"I left the party ten years ago and my main critique was that the focus was all about the leader," he said.
"No question, people expect that and the symbolism of that is really important, but you have to build a party. The infrastructure has to be there … good, plain organization is what's needed.
That shambles in New Brunswick didn't exactly reflect well on the NDP either. Singh's critics are right: he's never once visited New Brunswick since becoming leader - not once during an entire (official) tour of the country. Not one of the New Democrats I spoke to last week thinks that was anything but a huge mistake.
There is a feeling in party circles that Singh is starting to hit his campaign groove now, that he's more comfortable leading the charge. Too late? "It's way, way, way too late," one NDP MP told me recently.
In the end, if the polls are right and the NDP is toast, the Greens may not be in a position to capitalize.
Voters — especially those still undecided — care more about climate change now than they ever did before, but that isn't just a NDP/Green battle. The Liberals will be fighting for those votes too - and in Quebec right now, polls show they've got a lot of them.
Vassy Kapelos is host of Power & Politics, weekdays at 5 p.m. ET on CBC News Network.
Power Lines
The Power & Politics Power Panelists on where the big parties will be focused this week
Amanda Alvaro president and co-founder of Pomp & Circumstance The Liberals are framing their position and theme for the election campaign in the ramp up to the writ being dropped. With the tagline, 'Choose Forward,' expect Justin Trudeau to use every opportunity to contrast the progress that's been made for Canadians under his leadership with the risk of slipping backward under the Conservatives.
Rachel Curran senior associate at Harper & Associates Consulting Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer will be focused next week on detailing his plans to help Canadians get ahead, including making maternity benefits tax-free (worth up to $4,000) and offering a Green Homes Tax Credit of up to $2,850 to help homeowners increase the energy-efficiency of their homes.
Kathleen Monk principal at Earnscliffe Strategy Group NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh will kick off the party's federal election tour in Toronto Sunday with Olivia Chow and Mike Layton. In the days following, Singh will join candidates Andrew Cash (Davenport) and Matthew Green (Hamilton Centre) promising, that with a strong team in Ottawa, New Democrats will address the housing crisis in Canada after successive Liberal and Conservative governments have failed.
Poll Tracker Takeaway
Éric Grenier's weekly look at key numbers in the political public opinion polls.
A fight for third place is not the fight the New Democrats want.
And yet, here they are.
The defection of a group of New Brunswick New Democrats to the Greens (a group that turned out to be not as big as originally claimed) highlights something that's becoming increasingly obvious in the polls:
In some parts of the country, including Atlantic Canada, it's the Greens who are in third place. But could the New Democrats end up in fourth nationwide?
At this stage, the chances that the NDP will fall behind the Greens at the national level look relatively slim. The Poll Tracker puts the NDP ahead of the Greens by about three percentage points. Most pollsters put the NDP solidly in third place and the Green Party has consistently failed to match its polling numbers at the ballot box.
Green Leader Elizabeth May certainly will have the opportunity to surpass the New Democrats if the campaign takes a negative turn for Jagmeet Singh, especially since she'll be sharing the debate stage with him. But for now, the Greens' potential is just that: potential.
There is, however, a decent chance that the New Democrats could find themselves finishing in fourth place in the House of Commons - behind the Bloc Québécois
For the Bloc this would be a revival of fortunes; it had the third-largest Commons caucus between the 1997 and 2011 federal elections.
The Poll Tracker puts the NDP and Bloc neck-and-neck in projected seat counts. If the New Democrats continue to struggle in the polls, the Bloc might be able to beat them in seats. Plucking those vulnerable NDP seats in Quebec would help it do that.
It makes for a challenging election campaign ahead for Singh. It's hard to credibly run for gold when your main problem is simply making it to the podium.
Kaya Raby asks us via email: Looking at the seat projections, how can [the Liberals'] percentage chances for "winning a majority" be higher than "winning the most seats but not a majority"?
I can see why this could be confusing. The Sept. 5 update projected 163 seats for the Liberals, short of the 170 seats needed for a majority government. It also projected a 38 per cent chance of a Liberal majority vs. only a 27 per cent chance of the Liberals winning the most seats but not a majority. How come?
Okay, strap in.
The seat projection range for the Liberals was between 104 and 218 seats,
So, the window for the Liberals to win a majority is pretty big: 170 to 218.
On the other hand, the window for them to win the most seats but NOT a majority is relatively small.
That's because as soon as they start falling below around 150 seats, the Conservatives are probably winning more than them. Which makes the range where the Liberals win a plurality but not a majority around 150 to 169 seats.
Smaller window, smaller chance of it happening.
The seat range takes into account the potential for error in the seat projection model and in the polls. Think of it this way. If the Liberals out-perform the projection, one thing is likely to happen: they win a majority. If they under-perform the projection, there are two possible outcomes: ending up with the most seats in a minority Parliament, or ending up behind the Conservatives.
— Éric Grenier CBC Polls Analyst
Have a question about the October election? About where the federal parties stand on a particular issue? Or about the facts of a key controversy on the federal scene? Email us your questions and we'll answer one in the next Canada Votes newsletter.
Methinks Mr Wherry's headline says enough Heres hoping Mr Prime Minister Trudeau the Younger reads it and considers it deeply for the benefit of us all before the writ is dropped. He still has time to act with Integrity N'esy Pas?
Why Justin Trudeau's main foe in 2019 is the Justin Trudeau of 2015
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Danielle Dalbec P.S. We must also not forget, the Admiral and the SNC
David Amos
Reply to @Danielle Dalbec: I didn't Methinks you should Google my name and that of Admiral Norman N'esy Pas?
Danielle Dalbec Let us not forget the trio of , T, B, and W and the nasties done.
David Amos
Reply to @Danielle Dalbec: Or the Jane and Jody Tag Team
Lee McEachern
Reply to @When you see his sleeves rolled up you know he is going to be working extra hard.
David Amos
Reply to @Lee McEachern: Methinks Mr Wherry's headline says enough Heres hoping Mr Prime Minister Trudeau the Younger rolls up his sleeves reads it and considers it deeply for the benefit of us all before the writ is dropped. He still has time to act with some semblance of Integrity N'esy Pas?
: Methinks Mr Wherry's headline says enough Heres hoping Mr Prime Minister Trudeau the Younger rolls up his sleeves reads it and considers it deeply for the benefit of us all before the writ is dropped. He still has time to act with some semblance of Integrity N'esy Pas?
Mary Anne Clarke Aaron--you forgot to mention: the OECD indicating SNC's serious charges made them ineligible for a DPA, but Trudeau chose to meddle in this court case, and that of VA Norman and the shipping issue, and then withheld documents the defense needed for their case; China embargoed Can. canola in Mar. and only in Sept did Trudeau govt approach WTO; in TMX appeal case, Trudeau's govt did not submit arguments, did not even attend the proceedings.
David Amos
Reply to @Mary Anne Clarke: Go Figure
Mike Smith The liberal energy minister: How and Why? He must go.
Darin Loso
Reply to @Mike Smith: energy minister, environment Minister, foreign affairs minister, prime minister
David Amos YO Gerry Butts Methinks you should tell Dominic Leblanc and your buddy from Quebec that you all have mail that you should read before the writ is dropped N'esy Pas?
Darin Loso Dominique Leblanc, a Liberal takeing gifts from oil men.
David Amos
Reply to @Darin Loso: Methinks that is libel N'esy Pas?
Darin Loso
Reply to @David Amos: can't be libel if it's true. Nesy pis
David Amos
Reply to @Darin Loso: and if it not?
Darin Loso
Reply to @David Amos: he took the plane flight. Nesy pas, sounds like a gift to me Nestle Quick. Don't play tough to me, Nesy pis
David Amos
Reply to @Darin Loso: No need for me to play tough just save the proof and report you malice. Methinks you should have read about Minister McKenna's woes and how strict the RCMP are getting about online harassment before you libeled another liberal lawyer N'esy Pas?
Darin Loso
Reply to @David Amos: laughable.
Darin Loso
Reply to @Darin Loso: I seen Climate B story. Don't believe it.
David Amos
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Reply to @Darin Loso: Methinks you are one of Paul Fromm's neo nazi fanboyz N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Looks like a struck a nerve
David Amos
Methinks many folks know why I tweeted and blogged my last comment for tonight before it went "Poof" N'esy Pas?
Darin Loso
Reply to @David Amos: what is a Nesy Pas
David Amos
Reply to @Darin Loso: Chiac It is lingo from where Dominc Leblanc and I come from Say it as I spell it and you will understand it
Darin Loso
Reply to @David Amos: the Liberal that gets favors from billionaire oil company executives. Joe can that be?
David Amos
Reply to @Darin Loso: how can that be
David Amos
Reply to @Darin Loso: Google Fundy Royal Debate to see why I am running for public office for the 7th time while suing the Queen again
Darin Loso
Reply to @David Amos: if you are running for office for the 7th time you are not right for politics. After time 3 you think you would see the writing on the wall. People don't like you
Darin Loso
Reply to @Darin Loso: Nesy Pas
David Amos
Reply to @Darin Loso: Methinks everybody knows my Father knew Dominic's daddy long before he was appointer Attorney General. Trust that everybody knows my Father sent the Sheriff down to put a chain on the gates of the Irving Clan's Refinery in order to make him pay his property taxes N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: I thinks people in the Maritimes who vote Liberal is what is wrong with this country.
David Amos
Reply to @Darin Loso: Methinks you know who I am correct? After my Father died my Mother married the Chief Electoral Officer Plus my Brother in Law's law firm partner and Vice President of the PC Party assisted Peter MacKay in merging with Harper's party at the very same point in time that Spitzer was testifying before the US Senate Banking Commitee and thanking me for the info N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Darin Loso: Even you know why I run as an Independent and it has nothing to do with getting elected and everything to do with very serious litigation
Darin Loso
Reply to @David Amos: are you the little girl who held up the sign Stop Harper in the HOC.
David Amos
Reply to @Darin Loso: Methinks you just made yourself rather infamous byway of my Twitter account N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Darin Loso: Nope but I did know Kevin Vickersin a past life. Everybody knows the RCMP used to hire me back in the 70s and 80s Ask Wayne Easter or Ralph Goodale or Peter Van Loan or Stockwell day about that Some things I did are still secret N'esy Pas?
Darin Loso
Reply to @David Amos: I don't do Twitter
Darin Loso
Reply to @Darin Loso: who cares
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Remember in June of 2004 after Harper got back from theMaritimes he announced that he had info the Arar Inquiry and Jack hooper of CSIS said he didn't know anything about it. Well Anne McLellan and Justice Richard Bell and Ward Elcock certainly did N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Darin Loso: YOU do
Darin Loso
Reply to @David Amos: your day has come and gone. Clean your dentures Ang good night. Nesy pas
David Amos
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Darin Loso
Reply to @David Amos: bring it on
David Amos
Reply to @Darin Loso: Your wish is my command
Darin Loso
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Darin Loso
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David Amos
Reply to @Darin Loso: Post your address and I will turn up one day
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks the RCMP and the Edmonton Cops will never forget the time I went to Barry Winters' door then inserted his words about Justin Trudeau and I in the the lawsuit against the Crown in 2015 N'esy Pas?
Darin Loso
Reply to @David Amos: with your walker and air tank.
David Amos
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Reply to @Darin Loso: Whats your address Mr Tough Talker?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Feel free to look me up. Methinks as you sit in your parents' basement you are just clever enough to know that anyone can get my info from Election Canada or at the bottom of my lawsuits N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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Methinks Mr Wherry's headline says enough Heres hoping Mr Prime Minister Trudeau the Younger reads it and considers it deeply for the benefit of us all before the writ is dropped. He still has time to act with Integrity N'esy Pas?
Billy Joe
Smith put it the best way regarding JT’s involvement in the SNC-Lavalin scandal.
Smith: Trudeau is guilty again, but don’t expect any consequences
Still, it remains shocking that violating the Conflict of Interest Act carries no penalties, especially when you consider the consequences in other cases of ethical lapses.
An expense claim scandal saw Sen. Mike Duffy charged with 31 counts of fraud — and although he was ultimately found not guilty of all charges, he went through a three-year ordeal of hearings, RCMP investigation, a criminal trial and suspension from the Senate.
Former MP Dean Del Mastro overcontributed $21,000 of his own money to his re-election campaign, exceeding the $92,567 spending cap. He went to jail.
The prime minister has been found guilty of breaching the Conflict of Interest Act for the second time, using his position of authority over Wilson-Raybould to influence her decision to intervene in a criminal prosecution, violating the principles of prosecutorial independence and the rule of law. There is no fine. No charges. No trial. No resignation. No public inquiry. Not even an independent parliamentary committee investigation.
Reply to @Billy Joe: Methinks whereas Mr Prime Minister Trudeau the Younger hired the lawyer Anne McLellan to advise him months ago by now she must have noticed her letter to me and another from the Governor circa 2004 They were quoted verbatim within the very first paragraphs of my lawsuit (Federal Court File No T-1557-15) which I filed when Harper was the PM and answered by Pater MacKay's minions before polling day 2015 N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Billy Joe: Here are some old documents of mine the prove what I say is true
David Amos Methinks Mr Wherry's headline says enough Heres hoping Mr Prime Minister Trudeau the Younger reads it and considers it deeply for the benefit of us all before the writ is dropped. He still has time to act with Integrity N'esy Pas?
Simon Jonas Reply to @David Amos:
Sorry--that time has passed.
Out with him!
David Amos
Reply to @Simon Jonas: Methinks you should never lose your faith in peoplekind N'esy Pas?
David Amos Methinks whereas Mr Prime Minister Trudeau the Younger hired the lawyer Anne McLellan to advise him months ago by now she must have noticed her letter to me and another from the Governor circa 2004 They were quoted verbatim within the very first paragraphs of my lawsuit (Federal Court File No T-1557-15) which I filed when Harper was the PM and answered by Pater MacKay's minions before polling day 2015 N'esy Pas?
David Lugli we have seen the enemy and it is us
David Amos
Reply to @david lugli: Methinks Walt Kelly was not joking N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @david lugli: Here are some old documents of mine the prove what I say is true
Garry Hiebert I doubt Justin would vote for Justin.
David Amos
Reply to @Garry Hiebert: Methinks it would not be wise to bet the farm on your opinion N'esy Pas?
Simon Jonas Scheer is not Harper. But Trudeau is still Trudeau. And that is not a good thing for Canada.
David Amos
Reply to @Simon Jonas: Methinks there is good reason why folks call Scheer Harper 2.0 N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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Methinks Billy Joe may have set some kind of record in CBC for posting 20 comments in a row long after closing time N'esy Pas?
Kevan Cleverbridge (Hill 70) You got that right Aaron,Justin Trudeau is Justin Trudeau's worst enemy. He has proven himself unworthy of the office he currently holds,one and done.
David Amos
Reply to @Kevan Cleverbridge (Hill 70): Methinks after the provocative headline this article takes a huge swing to support the Prime Minister N'esy Pas?
Lee McEachern The only thing he has been good at as PM for the past 4 years is attending parades.
David Amos
Reply to @Lee McEachern: Methinks you forgot that he enjoys wearing strange costumes and taking selfies to keep us laughing until the next polling day N'esy Pas?
Carl Tyrell {dit antaya) A person that never had to worry about money put in charge of your bank account is sure to spend it because he never had to work for it. Four years and deeper in debt.
David Amos Reply to @carl tyrell {dit antaya): Oh So True Methinks many folks will recall his statement that the budget would balance itself. However to be fair to Mr Prime minister Trudeau The Younger I suspect that his words were taken from a much larger statement then spun by the Conservative attack machine. My reasoning is simple. Nobody is that dumb. Furthermore even my fellow Maritimer the not so clever Mr Butts would never allow such nonsense to be stated by a Quebecker whether he was his boss or not N'esy Pas?
Carl Tyrell {dit antaya)
Reply to @David Amos: In all fairness, if a budget has been achieved through mathematics, by following it , it should balance itself but you have to follow the plan. The old saying work your plan and plan your work it's that simple
David Amos
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Reply to @carl tyrell {dit antaya): Methinks if you were to Google me you would see that Mr Butts and the Jane and Jody Tag Team know that I have a plan N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @carl tyrell {dit antaya): Trust that i have a plan
Eddy Lew A long winded article supporting the obvious conclusion that Trudeau is the worst pm of all time.
Stan Danke
Reply to @Eddy Lew: Yes, but with the usual shots at conservatives for 'balance'
David Amos
Reply to @Eddy Lew: Methinks you should read the article again real slow N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Stan Danke: Methinks its just spin in support of the PM N'esy Pas?
Evan Guest Shorter synopsis Aaron... Harper was a successful Prime Minister. Trudeau is a failure.
David Amos Reply to @Evan Guest: WRONG Read it again
Lloyd Jones Reply to @Mark Thomas: Yes Mark, I'm also hoping for a Liberal minority supported by the NDP (hopefully under a new leader). What have the Liberals given away in USCAM that is not widely known? Maybe I'm missing something here. You're right, Freeland was a 1993 Oxford Rhodes Scholar in Slavonic Studies. "Why her? Because she knows America better than most, having been a high-ranking journalist with Thomson Reuters in New York, covering banking, trade and the economy. “She knows her files really well and she’s known across the U.S.,” (https://www.opencanada.org/features/nafta-negotiations-your-guide-players-and-priorities-matter/)). She was not alone of course, backed by Ambassador McNaughton, Steve Verheul, Kirsten Hillman, David Usher, Kendall Hembroff and others. Freeland was the political lead, part of an expert team. Could you explain how the government's approach was weak and could have been improved?
David Amos
Reply to @Lloyd Jones: Methinks Mr Martin had such a mandate briefly after I ran against him and his cohorts in 2004. If you wish to recall the Liberal government bearly survived its first budget vote. They gave Stronach a Cabinet position after she dumped MacKay and crossed the floor in order to save Humpty Dumpty from falling along with the assistance of Cadman and the Speaker . Then when the Gomery Report came out Martin had the writ dropped before the news got worse. Well they lost to Harper whom we suffered with for ten long years no thanks to Canada's self described "Natural Governing Party" N'esy Pas?
Robert Campbell I dont believe these manipulated polls. Trudeau is going to get wiped out October 21.
David Amos Reply to @Robert Campbell: Methinks many agree with polls and that its gonna go right down to the line to see who wins the next minority mandate N'esy Pas?
Lee McEachern Canada's main foe in 2019 is Justin Trudeau.
Mo Bennett Reply to @Lee McEachern: you forgot Andy, who's even more dangerous.
David Amos Reply to @mo bennett: YO MO Methinks you forgot to to enlighten the folks as to why you know so much about hard ball politicking N'esy Pas?
Robert Campbell You can sum up Justin's time as PM in a few words. Chaotic reckless spending with a lot of unethical behavior. He does not deserve a second chance.
Grant Mouland Reply to @Robert Campbell: I couldn’t agree more. Equally honestly I do not think Singh or Scheer merits a first chance.
David Amos Reply to @Grant Mouland: Me too. Nobody could deny that it would be a hoot to see either Maxy Baby or Dizzy Lizzy the questionable political lawyers who are the lowest in the polls win first prize in this carnival. However I know its just a pipe dream. Methinks the best we can hope for is a slim minority mandate no matter who is the ringmaster and hopefully lots of Independents find seat as well Then we would have real circus to enjoy as our rights and interests are purported being protected N'esy Pas?
Robert Campbell What is the source of Trudeaus inflated ego and arrogance? Certainly not his dismal performance as PM.
David Amos Reply to @Robert Campbell: Methinks its called DNA N'esy Pas?
George Smith Trudeau has three main opponents this election: 1. Honesty 2. Integrity 3. Ethics
David Amos
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Reply to @George Smith: Methinks you would be hard pressed to find any politician who swore an oath to the Queen that could beat such formidable opponents N'esy Pas?
Jimmy Johnson Being on the cover of Vogue is not an accomplishment a PM should hang his hat on. It's self serving, and pretentious , which sums the PM perfectly.
David Amos
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Reply to @Jimmy Johnson: Methinks if got his picture on the cover of the Rolling Stone now that would be really something I bet he would order Mr Butts to send five copies to his Mother and the members of the Rolling Stones ASAP N'esy Pas?
Craig Sweeney "Trudeau's most damaging crisis came when he ran afoul of two strong, independent-minded women: Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott."
You have some nerve, Wheary, to blame the victims. Now you frame it as JT "ran afoul of two strong independent-minded women".
In reality a sad leader drunk on his own power, strong armed two women, because they didnt sit down, be quiet, and do what they were told to do.
Craig Sweeney
Reply to @Warren Stanley Pollock: I think that speaks to their personal ethics and promise they made to their constituents. Their issue was not with the Liberal party, just the current 'leader'.
David Amos
Reply to @Craig Sweeney: Methinks you don't know the whole story of the Jane a Jody Tag Team yet N'esy Pas?
Why Justin Trudeau's main foe in 2019 is the Justin Trudeau of 2015
A leader who frames every issue around ideals can expect blowback when he can't - or won't - live up to them
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau attends a Liberal Party fundraising event alongside Liberal MP Marco Mendicino in Toronto on Wednesday, September 4, 2019. (Chris Young/THE CANADIAN PRESS)
The Justin Trudeau of 2019 — the leader who is now seeking re-election — is not the Justin Trudeau of 2015, the young politician who became Canada's 23rd prime minister on a sunny day in November four years ago.
For one thing, the Trudeau of 2019 now knows exactly how much trouble can result when you make an open-ended, but absolute, promise to implement electoral reform.
The promises of 2015 (simple and aspirational) have become an actual record of governing (messy and imperfect). Not everything went according to plan. Some things didn't get done. There is now a list of missteps and controversies for Trudeau's political opponents to recite and dwell upon, from a vacation on the Aga Khan's island to the SNC-Lavalin affair. If Trudeau was a different kind of politician in 2015, he is now some degree closer to being just another politician in 2019.
The prime minister carries all of that into this fall's election. Over the last century and a half, Canadians have shown themselves to be forgiving and patient with their prime ministers — only two first-term majority governments have ever failed to be re-elected — but few of Trudeau's predecessors came to the office with higher expectations.
Trudeau has things to offer in his own defence. The Trudeau on offer over the last four years has arguably hewed closer to the promise of 2015 than he is sometimes given credit for. But the question now is whether he's shown us enough to get another four years.
What 'change' looks like today
In the beginning, there was the promise of "real change." At the most basic level, Justin Trudeau was not Stephen Harper and he promised a clear break from Harper's years in power. "Canadians want their government to do different things, and to do things differently," the new government said in its speech from the throne.
In various ways, big and small, things have been different.
Trudeau marches in Pride parades and is believed to be the first prime minister to ever visit a gay bar. He takes questions from members of the public at open town hall meetings. He identifies himself as a feminist and appointed an equal number of men and women to his cabinet. He has appeared in the pages of Vogue and on the cover of Rolling Stone. These are not things that Stephen Harper did, or would have done.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, right, waves to the crowd while waiting to march in the Vancouver Pride Parade with Green Party Leader Elizabeth May, left, and NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh, centre, in Vancouver on Sunday, Aug. 4, 2019. (Darryl Dyck/Canadian Press)
There are myriad policy choices that likely would have gone another way if Harper, or any other Conservative, had been prime minister for the past four years.
Income-splitting for married couples was repealed and the federal system of child benefits was reformed and expanded. The long-form census has been restored. Canadian corporations are now required to publicly report on how many of their directors are women. The national anthem now reads "in all of us command" instead of "in all thy sons command." A majority of the Senate's seats are held by independents. There is, notwithstanding legal challenges launched by three conservative premiers, a national price on carbon emissions, billed as "one of the most ambitious carbon pricing programs in the world."
When the Harper government left office, Canada was on track to miss its emissions reduction target for 2030 by 300 megatonnes. Taking into account policies announced through 2018, that gap has been reduced by 220 megatonnes.
A man pauses for a moment as he looks over 1,000 crosses during a vigil at Crab Park in Vancouver's east side Tuesday, May 6, 2008. The crosses were placed to represent the lives saved by Insite, the safe injection project that allows drug addicts to shoot up in a safe environment. (Jonathan Hayward/THE CANADIAN PRESS)
In the fall of 2015, there was one supervised drug consumption site operating in Canada — a facility approved by Jean Chrétien's government. In the fall of 2019, there are 44 sites approved to operate in Canada. Some number of Canadians are likely alive today because of that change.
For 2015-2016 — the last fiscal year of the Harper era — the federal government allocated $11.4 billion for programs and services for Indigenous peoples. Under the Liberals, that total allotment is now set to reach $17.1 billion by 2021-2022.
Since November 2015, 87 long-term drinking water advisories have been lifted in Indigenous communities, nearly double the number eliminated in the previous five years.
For those inclined to support the Conservative Party, nearly all deviations from the Harper mean might be unwelcome. A Conservative government presumably would have at least maintained its preference for balancing the budget.
How 'different' is different enough?
It's also within the realm of possibility that Harper — more cautious and fearful of bad press than Trudeau — would have avoided the Aga Khan's private island and stuck to wearing a suit and tie while touring India. It's also hard to imagine Harper's cabinet breaking up over the Shawcross doctrine. (The Conservatives might have found their own trouble, of course — perhaps by proroguing Parliament once or twice more.)
The more significant challenge for Trudeau is in responding to the argument that he hasn't been different enough. Trudeau's government is arguably the most left-leaning and activist federal government since Lester B. Pearson, but progressives and other potential Liberal supporters — voters now pursued with zeal by NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh and the Greens' Elizabeth May — have grounds for complaint.
Electoral reform did not happen — and it didn't happen in spectacular fashion. Canada's international climate target for 2030 is the same as it was under Harper and the current suite of policies doesn't fully account for the necessary reductions.
Trudeau's cabinet approved the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion, just as Harper's cabinet would have (though Trudeau never hid his desire to see a pipeline built). Indigenous reconciliation hasn't been advanced as far as many hoped. Parliament is still being asked to pass budget bills that could stand to be smaller. The access-to-information system is still in dire need of reform.
Nearly every government ends up deviating somewhat from its carefully constructed plans. But when you promise change, you will be judged by that standard.
A party that promised much
According to a count by researchers at Laval University, the Liberal platform of 2015 contained 353 promises — far more than any government in recent memory has brought with it to office. Four years later, those researchers judge that 189 commitments (54 per cent) have been kept in full, while another 136 (39 per cent) have partially fulfilled.
That rate of follow-through is not out of line with the experience of previous governments. The Conservative minority government that existed from 2006 to 2008 managed 60 per cent and eight per cent, respectively. The Conservative majority from 2011 to 2015 (with the benefit of having been in office for five years by then) made good on 77 per cent and seven per cent.
Though his government's record is punctuated by loud misses — electoral reform, returning the budget to balance in 2019 — Trudeau could fairly point to such numbers in his own defence. But Trudeau's politics have always amounted to more than a checklist of items or tasks.
He has campaigned and governed using the language of ideals: change, reconciliation, diversity, feminism and gender equality, transparency and openness, "sunny ways,""we're back," supporting the middle class, fighting climate change. He has been heralded (particularly in the pages of American magazines) as the right sort of leader for this perilous moment.
The price of pursuing the 'vision thing'
Harper tended to downplay his vision of a smaller government and a more conservative country. Instead, he favoured a transactional, incremental politics that worked hard to seem unthreatening. Other than plastering the country with "Economic Action Plan" billboards, Harper tried to avoid attracting any more attention than was absolutely necessary.
Trudeau's approach has been nearly the opposite. He has been prominent and loud. He has embraced "the vision thing." As much as he has promised to do specific things, he has done so using broader appeals to ideas and ideals.
As a consequence, he's given voters ample opportunities to measure reality against his own words. Consider that stated commitment to gender equality and feminism. Trudeau's government has passed pay equity legislation, uses gender-based analysis to assess the design of its own policies and made a deliberate effort to achieve gender parity in its public appointments.
But his cabinet also has refused to block the sale of light-armoured vehicles to Saudi Arabia, a country where women are subjected to official oppression. And Trudeau's most damaging crisis came when he ran afoul of two strong, independent-minded women: Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is embraced by Jody Wilson-Raybould, then the minister of justice, after delivering a speech on the recognition and implementation of Indigenous rights in in the House of Commons Feb. 14, 2018. (Justin Tang/Canadian Press)
For nearly every one of Trudeau stated ideals, there have been similar complications and compromises.
The prime minister who enthuses about the power and purpose of diversity has welcomed 40,000 Syrian refugees and increased annual immigration — but his government sent emissaries to the United States to discourage asylum seekers from walking across Canada's southern border. A leader who invokes his children to explain his commitment to combat climate change is still being pressed to explain how he could approve the Trans Mountain expansion — even if neither of the Greens nor the NDP can quite bring themselves to argue that the oilsands should be shut down in the near future.
The politician who condemned the Harper government's attempt to ban the niqab during citizenship ceremonies could be heard again earlier this year when the prime minister spoke about the Christchurch massacre and the threat of white supremacists — but he has been criticized for not doing more to fight Quebec's Bill 21. After promising a more collaborative approach to federalism, Trudeau has found himself fighting openly with the premier of Canada's largest province. The nice young man who promised sunny ways found himself accused of trampling all over the Shawcross doctrine.
Trudeau's recent appearance on Netflix's Patriot Act was a direct confrontation on those terms — a bookend to the generally laudatory coverage Trudeau has received in the United States since 2015. In their defence, the Liberals might argue that governing is hard and nobody's perfect, that compromises are both necessary and unavoidable, and that ideals — even if they're imperfectly lived — still matter. But any space between words and actions allows room for cynicism to grow.
The political logic of 'not as advertised'
In their pre-election advertising, the Conservatives have, with typical succinctness, hit on this particular narrative. Trudeau, they say, is "not as advertised." It's not an argument that seems designed to persuade potential Conservative supporters: if you voted for change in 2015 and are now disappointed that there hasn't been enough change, you are unlikely to now vote for a Conservative Party that promises a return to the pre-Trudeau state of affairs.
Instead, the Conservative line on Trudeau seems aimed at progressives. It's an attack meant to depress some of the 6.9 million people who voted for a Liberal candidate in 2015 — to either convince them to stay home or nudge them into voting for the New Democrats or Greens (in fact, the United Steelworkers are making almost the exact same argument in telling voters to go with Singh's NDP). If the Conservatives can scatter the Liberal vote, while holding their own traditional level of support, Andrew Scheer can become prime minister.
The presence of Stephen Harper no doubt made it easier to motivate and unite a record turnout for the Liberals in 2015. Four years later, Trudeau's task is to rally non-conservatives around his own government. But he also can't afford to let the election become a simple up-or-down vote on whether Justin Trudeau has fulfilled all of Canadians' hopes and dreams.
Much of one's judgment of Trudeau depends on the point of comparison. So while the Conservatives seek to measure the prime minister against the Trudeau of 2015, the Liberals have decided they are better off contrasting their guy with the only other guy who seems to have a realistic chance of being prime minister at year's end.
The federal Liberals are trying to define Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer in the public's mind on their own terms. (Christopher Katsarov/THE CANADIAN PRESS)
The Liberals have begun to define the alternative. They have put Scheer, who is still relatively unknown to the Canadian public, on the spot over gay rights and abortion — two issues on which Trudeau has taken an enthusiastic stand. They have linked Scheer's politics to the burgeoning record of Doug Ford, the well-known but unpopular premier of Ontario. They have happily invoked the name of Stephen Harper — simultaneously working to fill in their picture of who Scheer is and reminding Liberal voters of why they turned out in 2015.
A more aggressive Liberal campaign
The Liberal campaign in 2015 was not all smiles and sunshine, but 2019 will likely require a feistier effort. The videos on same-sex marriage and abortion that seemed to so discombobulate the Conservative team suggest the Liberal campaign is looking to throw some punches (and is still adept at using social media to advance its cause). Trudeau might need to get his hands dirty. He will at least have to fight to defend his record, particularly in the three televised debates in which he's agreed to participate.
All of that should appeal to Trudeau's competitive streak and his delight at being underestimated. But the Conservatives are also taking aim at the very bedrock of Trudeau's appeal in 2015: the middle class and those working hard to join it.
Four years ago, the Liberals grasped that a significant number of voters were feeling anxious, insecure and squeezed. In response, they offered direct support — in particular, a new child benefit — and public investment. Whatever else the Liberals promised to do, however much more Trudeau came to represent, that appeal to the middle class was foundational. Without it, the whole structure of the Liberal mission would have been in danger of falling apart.
Four years later, the Conservatives have realized the wisdom of the Liberal message and are trying to match it. Scheer is likely to spend most of the campaign touting the different ways a Conservative government would "put more money in your pocket," either through tax breaks or by repealing federal climate policies (though Trudeau's carbon-pricing-and-refund policy is expected to provide a net benefit to most families).
The Liberals can point to their own policies and will no doubt have more things to promise over the next six weeks. But they might not be able to outbid the Conservatives in a dollar-for-dollar contest of tax breaks. To that end, they seem poised to try to broaden the argument, to talk about the future and what it should look like, or about leadership and what it should stand for, or about the country and what it should represent. The Conservatives will have responses for those things, too.
The memory of 2015 will loom over everything and the election of 2019 will, one way or another, be a moment of reckoning for the last four years. But an election is always ultimately about the next four years.
David Raymond Amos@DavidRayAmos Replying to @DavidRayAmos@alllibertynews and 49 others Methinks truly comical after the writ is dropped to see 2 of my evil political foes Johnny Hortonand Marguerite Deschamps debate each other within CBC while referring to my work and words N'esy Pas?
The Risteen building was built in the 1820s and was the first cut stone building in New Brunswick. In the 1870s it became the Risteen Sash and Door Factory. (Provincial Archives)
The Risteen building in downtown Fredericton will not be given a heritage designation and may soon be demolished.
City council voted down a motion to designate the building 5-4 at Monday night's council meeting. One councillor was absent and two were not involved in the initial vote.
"I'm shocked and I'm disappointed with my council colleagues," said Coun. Kate Rogers, who voted in favour of the motion. "I think it's very short-sighted."
The Risteen building, at the corner of Queen and Smythe streets, was built in the 1820s and was the first cut stone building in New Brunswick. In the 1870s it became the Risteen Sash and Door Factory. The fate of the historic building has been in question for months.
Developer Gabriel El-Zayat owns the adjacent properties, which have already been demolished, and plans to build an apartment complex on the site. He applied for a demolition permit for the Risteen building in April. That's when the city issued a stop-work order to consider whether it should come under the Heritage Preservation Bylaw.
The surrounding buildings have already been demolished but a stop work order was issued for the Risteen building in April, until its heritage value could be assessed. (Mike Heenan/CBC)
Several councillors said they struggled with the decision at Monday night's meeting.
"In this matter it's important to me that we make the right decision for the city and especially the right decision for taxpayers," said Coun. Stephen Chase. "It's not an easy decision."
Chase said it was concerning to designate the property after it had been purchased by the developer. "I think it sends a strong negative message to anyone who owns a potential heritage property that they could be subjected to the same treatment," he said.
The historic Risteen House is at risk of being torn down to accommodate an apartment complex. (Mike Heenan/CBC)
Council deferred the decision several times to give the developer time to incorporate the building into the new development.
According to a letter sent to the city from El-Zayat, the cost to preserve the stone façade in the new development was estimated at $685,000.
El-Zayat declined to comment but did tell reporters as he left the council chambers that "they definitely made the right decision."
Ken Forrest, the city's director of planning and development, said the stop-work order on the demolition of the building will now be lifted.
"The property owner owns the structure," Forrest said. "They have the right to demolish unless there is some bylaw that prevents its demolition. In this case there's nothing preventing it, so it is the right of the developer to make that application and for him to receive the permit."
Forrest said the demolition permit can take anywhere from a few days to a couple of weeks to be granted.
"Chase said it was concerning to designate the property after it had been purchased by the developer." Exactly.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Aaron James: yet all property that gets designated has that happen after someone has bought it. Maybe not in this time frame but still designating private property as historic happens
Pete Prosser
If you nominate and elect young councilors who could care less about history, then all of the history is subject to demolition. Small town wants new things , but someday someone will question the logic of trashing what had been saved for so long in the game and those who decided so.
Al Clark
Reply to @pete prosser: couldn't
Harold Wood
Reply to @pete prosser: Seems especially if it is English history being erased.
Emilien Forest
Reply to @pete prosser: Some council members wanted to keep a building which was falling apart at the seams but were more than willing to chip away at Officer's Square. Not a whole lot of intelligence sitting at these meetings.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Emilien Forest:
The difference is officers square is public land, the building if preserved would be the responsibility of an individual or a group and only cost the city some property tax.
Graham McCormack
Reply to @Emilien Forest: When do you plan to run for council?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Graham McCormack: should everyone who posts an opinion here plan to run for council?
Graham McCormack
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: If all you do is complain then yes.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Graham McCormack: I look for2ard to seeing your name on the ballot in the spring,
Graham McCormack
Reply to @Johnny Horton: I'm not complaining.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Graham McCormack: then most who posts here should plan to run for political office.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methonks we all need to run forever and lose forever nesy pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Johnny Horton: my point is; do not rely on the government or anybody else to make it for you. You must ake the initiative.
McKenzie King
About time one council made a sensible decision about buildings.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @McKenzie King: It’s not about the building, it’s about more property taxes, to build outdoor rinks and give themselves raises.
Terrance Thomasen
Progress stops for no one. Happy that council is looking forward and improving Fredericton
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Terrance Thomasen:
How does some $2k a month condo improve Fredericton?
Q
Johnny Horton
The “keep the building” faction should have found a French or indigenous connection to the cut stone.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Johnny Horton: I'm on your side for saving this building, but you I have to admit that you are trying hard to make me change my mind.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: You are saying it ain’t so? Really? You aren’t that naive.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Actually I agree with chase it’s too late to save the building, council failed on this issue by not doing their due diligence and having buildings thst should be preserved designated so. Which will happen again within a year with yet another building because they still won’t do their job and have things done first.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Johnny Horton: then how about you do something about it? Purchase the building and have a fundraising to save it as les acadiens did with la cathédrale l'Assomption in Moncton? The governments did not give a cent on it as they did for the Irish Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception in Saint John.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Someone probably would have bought the building had they known it’s fate.
These mass area land deals like in this case. Isn’t done usually on the open market. A developer approaches the land owners, they don’t sit and wait for the neighbouring lot to become on the market,
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Johnny Horton: when there's a will, there's a way. La cathédrale l'Assomption would have been torn down long ago if les acadiens had relied on the government.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Johnny Horton: as opposed to you, I have facts to back my assertions up unlike you with oneliners such as "You are saying it ain’t so? Really? You aren’t that naive". It is so! I just gave you the cathedral example.
Graham McCormack
Reply to @Johnny Horton: The building was for sale for years.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Graham McCormack: ir was? Then Johnny had ample opportunity to buy it and start a fundraising to preserve it. As the saying goes: "Coulda, woulda, shoulda".
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Graham McCormack: Honestly, I don’t think anyone really knew the history of the building, it was never talked about in downtown Fredericton on the streets,q
That’s a failure of past councils to help preserve our history through education and publicity,
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: I’m not sure why you’re insist I buy the building. I’ve never said it should be saved...
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Johnny Horton: for one who claims that he never said that the building should be saved, you sure have a lot to say about the council making the decision to let it be demolished.
Johnny Horton
I wonder how many on council even knew almost the whole city burnt down in 1825 and this was one of the few buildings to survive.
Murray Brown
Not sure who's running against the current mayor and councilors in the next municipal election, but hopefully they win.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Murray Brown: Sadly even if they lose, the damage is already done, the new council will be committed to the disasters of an outdoor oval st officers square and the $9m price tag, if they want it or not,
Murray Brown
Reply to @Johnny Horton: ... That job and the skateboard park can be cancelled... Just ask Higgs... He's cancelled plenty of projects throughout the province. New justice complex in progress? Cancelled!... New school? Cancelled!... New highway on route 11 already in progress... Cancelled! If a new mayor and council says NO, then the city staff must comply. They don't have a say.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Murray Brown:
Hard to cancel an already chopped down tree.
Mac Isaac
For all those who think this vote is ridiculous, shortsighted, etc. I suggest that the voters work to "un-elect" every last one of them...including the mayor! I know there will be many who think this is either a good idea (to not give the Risteen heritage designation) or it doesn't really matter, this is simply another "no biggee" issue while to those many who would have liked to see the Risteen preserved it's a major BIGGEE!! If the people of Fredericton want to take back control of their city, it's high time they started to work together to do that...otherwise it will just be outside developers coming in and scrubbing Fredericton's history. For me, I support some development (even by outside developers) but not at the expense of some of the reasons many of us moved here to begin with. I emphatically don't want to see a return to the do-nothing days of Bill Walker et al, but I also don't relish the idea of sweeping aside all vestiges of Fredericton's past.
Tim Biddiscombe:
Reply to @Mac Isaac: We actually sweep aside few vestiges.
Jim Cyr
So the "newcomers" to New Brunswick come to town, buy the 200 year old buildings and tear them down. Council says fine. Fredericton truly has zero pride of culture any longer. It just worships dollars. Sad. Well, I will be boycotting Fredericton from now on.........no more dollars from me! Heritage = tourism = dollars. Guess the councilors who voted in the majority are too dumb to realize this.
Graham McCormack
Reply to @Jim Cyr: Do you know the owner of this building?
Tim Biddiscombe:
Reply to @Jim Cyr: Gabe has been a tax paying citizen of Fredericton for many years. He invests in our community . Don't think the city will notice your boycott. Fredericton has plenty of enviable heritage ..that place is quite an ugly building actually.
Archie Levesque
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe:
So? Is that what society and life has become? The bigger the investor the better? I sit really sll just about who pays the most taxes. Like that gallant guy in Moncton calling up councillors because a tenant of his in trouble over a patio, flashing his money and importance to the city around,
We are better than that. Or st least should be,
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Jim Cyr: Don’t eorry Jim, apparently the can’t read and miss nuance eith your quotes around newcomers.
Jim Cyr
Reply to @Johnny Horton: The future!! Progress!! To heck with our past, who we were, and who we are. There are people from all over the world who should run New Brunswick. Who are WE to say that they can't??
Bob Smith If the building was designated historical BEFORE the developer bought it, there wouldn't be an issue. However, if the city moved to designate the building after acquisition and didn't want to pay the renovation, the developer could sue the city for seven figures easily.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Bob Smith:
Then I guess council should have done their job BEFORE it got to this point,
Jonas Smith God I'd give anything to have Woodside back.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Jonas Smith:
Nah he’s the one that bred this whole lot.
Greg Windsor Gee Fredericton, seems history and heritage mean nothing to you at all ... just remember, once it is gone that is it, no turning back. I hope those on Heritage start thinking twice about what they are doing....
David Raymond Amos@DavidRayAmos Replying to @DavidRayAmos@alllibertynews and 49 others "Content disabled" Methinks Minister Urquhart and his many cohorts must recall he and Thompson having me falsely arrested by the RCMP in July of 2008 Its a matter of public record in Federal Court N'esy Pas?
Greg Thompson was appointed New Brunswick minister of intergovernmental affairs on Nov. 9, 2018, after winning the Saint Croix riding for the Progressive Conservatives. (CBC)
Politicians from all parties and former colleagues paid tribute Wednesday morning to Greg Thompson, a six-term federal MP who came out of retirement last year to become a provincial MLA and cabinet minister.
Thompson died of cancer Tuesday at the age of 72. He had been absent from the New Brunswick Legislature earlier this year.
Thompson, a former teacher and businessman, was elected federally six times in the southwest corner of New Brunswick, eventually serving as minister of veterans affairs in the Conservative government of Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
Former Prime Minister Brian Mulroney called Thompson "a real guy" who represented his constituents well after being elected to the House of Commons in 1988.
"I can still see him now in my mind's eye," Mulroney said. "He did it in a very respectful and nice manner. He wasn't aggressive or bullying or anything like that. He was the opposite. He was a gentleman."
Returned to politics last year
Thompson retired as MP for New Brunswick Southwest in 2011, but he returned to politics when he ran provincially last year for the Progressive Conservatives, defeating Liberal incumbent John Ames in Saint Croix.
He was named intergovernmental affairs minister in Premier Blaine Higgs's cabinet.
"He felt, and he was right, that he could bring a lot to our government because he had such depth,"
Higgs told reporters, praising Thompson's "quiet demeanour, determination to get things done, and not to give up."
The premier said that Thompson appeared to be on the mend about a month ago, but two weeks later his health took a turn for the worse.
Thompson was first elected in the riding of Carleton-Charlotte in 1988, helping Mulroney win a second majority government and ensure passage of the free-trade agreement with the United States.
Former Prime Minister Brian Mulroney called Thompson 'a real guy' who represented his constituents well. (Justin Tang/Canadian Press)
Mulroney said Thompson's riding on the Canada-U.S. border made him an effective campaigner for the agreement.
"He certainly was aware, perhaps more than some others, of the enormous benefits that free trade could bring to Atlantic Canada."
New Brunswick Justice Minister Andrea Anderson-Mason said she met Thompson as a 12-year-old girl when he came to her family's door during that campaign.
"He's the reason why I am in government today," she said. "I immediately fell in love with politics and government … He was absolutely loved and was one of a kind. They just don't make them like that anymore. He's been my hero, and will continue to be."
Thompson lost in the 1993 election, a vote that saw all but two Progressive Conservative candidates defeated.
But after facing and beating non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, he made a comeback in 1997, one of 20 PC MPs elected that June.
Greg Thompson, who died this week at 72, served as veterans affairs minister for four years under former prime minister Stephen Harper. (Submitted by Government of New Brunswick)
"It was a poetic moment for me because it was a return for him but also the return of the Progressive Conservative party of Canada," said Jean Charest, who led the party in that election.
He said Thompson's previous experience was an asset for a small PC caucus made up mostly of political newcomers.
"We're losing someone of substance and someone who made an outstanding contribution to Canada and to New Brunswick," Charest said.
Greg Thompson was a fair & kind man and a passionate advocate for his community, province, and country – I was sorry to hear of his passing this morning. My heart goes out to his loved ones.
Former MP John Herron, one of the young PCs elected that year, said Thompson's help was "indispensable" to the rookies.
Thompson held onto the seat in four more elections, as a Progressive Conservative and then as part of the newly merged Conservative Party. He was veterans affairs minister from 2006 to 2010.
I was saddened to learn of the passing of my friend, Greg Thompson. Greg was a tremendous public servant and an exceptional colleague. Laureen and I extend our heartfelt condolences to his wife Linda, their family and colleagues in New Brunswick.
"Greg was a tremendous public servant and an exceptional colleague," Harper said in a tweet.
Opponents pay tribute
Many of Thompson's political opponents also paid tribute to him on Wednesday.
Shortly before visiting the Governor General to call an election, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau tweeted that Thompson was "a fair & kind man and a passionate advocate for his community, province, and country. I was sorry to hear of his passing this morning."
"Greg was passionate about public service, and was always fair and kind," said Beauséjour Liberal MP Dominic LeBlanc in a tweet.
New Brunswick Green Party Leader David Coon, a former resident of Waweig, said Thompson had been his MP for most of the Tory's tenure in Ottawa.
Sad to hear of the passing of Greg Thompson, who served with me for 15 years in the House of Commons and as my counterpart in the Government of N.B. Greg was passionate about public service, and was always fair and kind. My condolences to his family, friends, and close ones.
"He was highly respected and well-liked by his constituents, no matter their political leanings," Coon said in a statement. "It is a sad day for the people of Charlotte County and for all who knew Greg, personally and professionally."
People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin called Thompson "a great man. … He diligently worked for the betterment of his community, this province and the nation serving with dignity and honour throughout his lengthy career."
A book of condolence has been set up at the New Brunswick Legislature, and the provincial flag is at half-mast at government buildings.
A book of condolences for Greg Thompson has been set up at the New Brunswick Legislature. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)
Thompson's death reduces the PC minority government's standing in the legislature to 21 seats out of 49, but the Tories won't be at any greater risk of being defeated on votes.
That's because former premier Brian Gallant announced last week he'll be resigning as MLA for Shediac Bay-Dieppe in the coming weeks, dropping his party to 19 seats, excluding Speaker Daniel Guitard.
Higgs will have six months to call byelections once the seats are officially declared vacant. He said he'll probably call them simultaneously but said he hasn't given much thought to when he'll do that.
Higgs also said he'll take on Thompson's role as minister of intergovernmental affairs for the time being.
Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New Brunswick since 2000. Raised in Moncton, he also produces the CBC political podcast Spin Reduxit.
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David Raymond Amos Methinks now would be a good time for the lawyer Brian Gallant to change his mind for the benefit of his party and keep his seat for awhile longer N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: the seat is very safe!
Dianne MacPherson
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Surely you can't mean that Vickers is running there !!!
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Dianne MacPherson: if Vickers runs there, he wins.
Dianne MacPherson
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Oh.....that's all you meant.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Dianne MacPherson: no CONservative has a hope in hell to be elected there with the elusive Higgs Bozon at the helm.
Derrick Cameron
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: That would be more true of Trudeau's chances of getting another full house in Atlantic Canada. He has ignored the region during the past 4 years.
Dianne MacPherson
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: We do have other Political Parties to choose from, you know. Sadly they don't have the financial 'smarts' of Premier Higgs !!!!
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Dianne MacPherson: and which parties would that be?
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: you think this is appropriate?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: "the seat is very safe!" Hence methinks Mr Higgs will delay a by election just like your SANB lawyer buddy Bernie Lord did not that long ago. Remember when he gave another SANB lawyer Bernie Richard a do nothing job as Ombudsman with big pay cheque and kept the seat vacate for as long as possible only to see Boudreau win it? So he tried the same trick with the lawyer Lizzy Weir and Ed Doherty won Saint John Harbour. Go figure why Lord lost the General Election in 2006 and why I ran in it for reasons you will never admit to N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Dianne MacPherson: Methinks everybody knows why Gallant got the golden handshake and why I would run against Vickers just for fun N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: why would we know that? You should know!
David Raymond Amos
Content disabled
Methinks Minister Urquhart and his many cohorts must recall he and Thompson having me falsely arrested by the RCMP in July of 2008 Its a matter of public record in Federal Court N'esy Pas?
Johnny Jakobs
Content disabled
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: methinks there is a time and place for everything. Now is not the time. Respect is earned. Start earning N'esy Pas?
Ben Haroldson He was one of the few politicians who visited our house, and truly wanted to know what concerned you. Condolences to the family.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Methinks just because he died does not follow that he should be remembered as a nice guy N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: BTW I spent all day yesterday in an Emergency Ward I thought it may me my last day but to the chagrin of many corrupt public officials, lawyers and cops clearly it was not.
Bruce Ellington
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Methinks if you have nothing good to say about someone who just died, you should try, for once, keeping your opinion to yourself, like a nice guy would.
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Except that he was a nice guy and you a nutbar.
Stephen Robertson I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Thompson on several occasions while he was at different stages of his political life. He was always a common person with a deep concern for the people of our province and our nation. My deepest sympathy to his family. Rest well faithful servant.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Stephen Robertson:I know for fact that he did not have a deep concern for the people of our province and our nation and everybody know that I can easily prove it.
Johnny Jakobs
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: buy selling a house before a quarry was built next door? That was pure coincidence
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs: "Respect is earned. Start earning N'esy Pas?"
Your words not mine
Marguerite Deschamps I tip my hat to anyone who runs for politic office. It has to be one of the most thankless job one can think of. And no matter what anyone says, the pay is not worth the headaches. Rest in peace, Mr Thompson!
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks that is a very strange thing for you to say after all the things you have said to me about my running for Public Office (soon to be for the 7th time) N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: I would pay you the same respect if you happened to kick the bucket before I do. We will remember you for you "Methinks" and N'esy pas".
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Doe's he use that in debates? If so , I gotta see it.
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: No he will not be remembered.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks I should inform you that I spent all day yesterday in an Emergency Ward I thought it may me my last day but obviously to your chagrin it was not N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: not at all David! I wish you health and long life. I really mean it.
Lance DeLeavey
RIP Sir you have served this Province well,you will be missed.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Lance DeLeavey: Not by all
Mac Isaac
Leaving partisan politics out of it, Mr. Thompson was a gentleman in every sense of the word...with his loss It's my hope that Premier Higgs will nominate someone else of Mr. Thompson's calibre to run for his seat, which brings up former Premier Gallant's open seat in Shediac...schedule the by-elections for the same day or, practising partisan politics, schedule one as soon as possible and the other as late as legally allowable. My sympathies are extended to Mr. Thompson's family.
Political disinformation is rampant online. How can voters cope?
1433 Comments
Robert Borden Disinformation is rampant in the comments section as well.
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Robert Borden: Welcome to the Circus
Glenn Foster Most people are aware of the disinformation. What is most shocking is the disinformation and distortion created by the media including the CBC to advance ideology. Fortunately most can sort through and filter out the flotsam.
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Glenn Foster: I agree However methinks the real problem is most folks don't care and support their favourite political party anyway becaust they thein they are all crooks N'esy Pas?
Jennifer McIsaac Just believe nothing that you read on social media would be a good start.
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Jennifer McIsaac: Methinks that is a big faux pas because many would agree that that is also a lot truth can be found N'esy Pas?
At the 1157 mark I made these comments
David Fletcher Two thirds of Canadians as a group lean left and yet about 80% of our corporate media lean right. Why is that?
James Dodd Reply to @David Fletcher: Cause right wing parties hand them boat loads of tax payers money. It's really that simple. They perpetuate the fantasy of trickle down economics, which makes corporate media richer.
David Raymond Amos Reply to @David Fletcher: Methinks that is a rhetorical question for the benefit of Canada's self-described "Natural Governing Party" N'esy Pas?
Vladimir Smejkal Reply to @David Fletcher: Because sadly, Canada is not the country with free, unbiassed and independent news media...
Jason DeBack
Reply to @David Fletcher: check out and learn a bit from Jimmy Dore and you'll learn why
Allan Smithie
Reply to @David Fletcher: 66% of Canadians is about 20 Million peeps, 80% of the corporate media (the ones making decisions) accounts for about 5 people...and your point is?
Steve Hicken Reply to @David Fletcher: now that is disinformation
Brian Paradis
Reply to @David Fletcher: Where do you get figure? The majority of Canadians are in the center only the media and downtown Toronto crowd are on the left
Ted Sedor
Reply to @James Dodd: how many BILLIONS did Trudeau hand out before the election
Ted Sedor
Reply to @James Dodd: Aug. 11-18 — Liberal MPs and ministers made 595 spending commitments worth a total of $4.9 billion. 330 spending commitments made from Aug. 19 to Aug. 25 total $2.85 billion. In the last two weeks ?
James Dodd
Reply to @Ted Sedor: I never said that the Liberals don't hand out money either. They are just as guilty of it.
Ted Sedor
Reply to @James Dodd: In the entire month before former prime minister Stephen Harper called the election on Aug. 2, 2015, Conservative ministers and MPs made 604 spending commitments worth a combined $1.4 billion.
James Dodd
Reply to @Ted Sedor: I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to prove. Amount of spending commitments doesn't prove anything. You may as well be shouting random numbers. Context actually matters.
Ted Sedor Reply to @James Dodd: Prior to the election being called the Prime Minister, Cabinet Ministers, and Parliamentary Secretaries criss-crossed the country making partisan announcements where they wove campaign narratives into official government speeches and news releases, Of equal, if not greater concern, is the fact that they invited non-elected Liberal Party of Canada candidates to attend these official, taxpayer-funded government announcements.”
James Dodd
Reply to @Ted Sedor: You realize every incumbent government does this before each election right?
I mean the provincial conservatives in Ontario literally held back funding for multiple things till last week to help boast their federal counterparts... this is not abnormal in any way.
Verne Gerchin Stop reading articles on this website is a good start.
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Verne Gerchin: Hell No Methinks many would agree that they are far too entertaining and help to make the circus N'esy Pas?
Don McTavish The people with the money/box are the true propagandists. Just excluding citizens is relatively important.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Don McTavish: True
Don McTavish Is it disinformation when leaders travel around the country for photo-op while never meeting the average citizen.
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Don McTavish: YUP
Steve Hicken Strange disinformation never bothered the CBC during the Harper years ,but it does now
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Steve Hicken: True
Jason DeBack folks arguing over scraps n bones from which best coke vs pepsi political parties that don't give a rat's behind whilst those at the TOP look down and laugh
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Jason DeBack: I Wholeheartedly Agree Sir
Daniel R. Mueller Thanks CBC, I'll be sure to stick to approved propoganda from now on LoL
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Daniel R. Mueller: Me Too (among other sources)
Daryll Mcbain Yes it is, Trudeau is still claiming his government is transparent.
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Daryll Mcbain: Methinks that par for the course N'esy Pas?
Steve Hicken hmm I will still watch Ezra good man!
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Steve Hicken: Methims Mr Butts knows I watch Ezy Baby because he is the source of some true stories now and then even though he just another sneaky Conservative and now ex lawyer N'esy Pas?
Robert Anderson You know that a country is in deep trouble when the senior leadership refuse to be ethical, honest, and transparent.
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Robert Anderson: YUP
Danny Tanker "Political disinformation is rampant online. How can voters cope?"
Easily. Research your position from credible news organizations like the CBC for example. Not Facebook or Youtube or rumours and slop talk from the guys down at the garage.
Brian Wakeford
Reply to @Danny Tanker: Cough.... did you say CBC... the second time I've laughed milk up my nose today... LOL
Danny Tanker
Reply to @Brian Wakeford: Could be a hiatal hernia ?
Brian Wakeford
Reply to @Danny Tanker: Haha.. OK doc.
Allan Smithie
Reply to @Brian Wakeford: Hey, if you don't like CBC...why are you here?
Brian Paradis
Reply to @Brian Wakeford: So true! but they smile nice and pretend to be unbiased
Peter Baxter
Reply to @Danny Tanker: LOL....go to the fa ke ne w s propagandists organizations and you will be safe from misinformation LOLOLOL....now that is funny!
Danny Tanker
Reply to @Peter Baxter: So, I must ask, where do you get your credible information from? maybe I'm missing a great site that I should visit too?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Danny Tanker: Dream on
Reply to @Allan Smithie: I'm here for the entertainment value, same as why I watch power and politics with Vassey
Danny Tanker
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Ok, fine, do you read any news at all or just listen to what others say? I'm curious.
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Gee whiz, talk about being in a rut!!!
"Fundy Royal voters have elected Conservatives all but 1 time in 28 elections over 101 years"
Reply to @Danny Tanker: It is tough.....I find that if I go to multiple sources...and compare what the left wing reporters are saying to what the right wing reporters are saying....use critical thinking and reasonable judgement.....you can connect the dots fairly accurately Someone says Scheer is chocolate milk boy or Scheer is Harper....you can tell how valid it is... Four senior Liberal MPs, two of them Cabinet Ministers, come out and throw their careers away to warn us about Justin....you can tell how valid it is Someone changes their story every two days.....you can tell they are l yi n g Just some common sense tips
Danny Tanker
Reply to @Peter Baxter: All I read is poor evidence, hearsay mostly, to go to court with, improbable a prosecutor would take it on and waste the court's valuable time and a waste of an investigator's time.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Danny Tanker: "Gee whiz, talk about being in a rut!!!"
Do you see me mentioned anywhere in the the article
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Now Google Fundy Royal Debate
Daniel R. Mueller Watch out for memes everybody, their out to control your mind! - CBC, this article
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Daniel R. Mueller: Methinks most folks are way past too late in controlling theri own minds as they partake of the proper kool aid then blindly cheer for the Red Team or the Blue Team or the Green Team or the Orange Team No matter what any True News or Fake News make claim N'esy Pas?
Michael Rokkman CBC is online! Coincidence? .....
Danny Tanker
Reply to @Michael Rokkman: This is news to you?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Michael Rokkman: NOPE
Paul Huisman “Tell people there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority will believe you. Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure.” ― George Carlin
We should be aware that our tenancy is to see what we expect and want to see
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Paul Huisman:Good for you Sir Saint George should never be forgotten
Allan Smithie
Reply to @Paul Huisman: "If someone has the right to take your rights away from you..you have no rights!" - George Carlin
I miss Mr. Carlin...and Bill Hicks too!
Daniel R. Mueller
Reply to @Paul Huisman: Careful Paul, you might hurt someones feeling, and that's probably hate speech, a punishable offence these days.
Robert Anderson
That picture is obviously fake. Trudeau does not have his Mr. Dressup outfit on.
Danny Tanker
Reply to @Robert Anderson: You can't tell the difference can you?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Danny Tanker: Oh So True
James Dodd
Reply to @Robert Anderson: Of all the things to compare someone to as an insult I've never understood why people think Mr. Dressup is such a burn. Would you be insulted is someone said you were like Mr. Rogers?
Brian Paradis
Reply to @James Dodd: I wouldn't vote for any of themLOL
James Dodd
Reply to @Brian Paradis: I'd vote for Mr. Rogers given the opportunity to do so. By all accounts the man was probably the closest thing to a truly selfless person in recent history.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Robert Anderson: OPPS I meant to agree with you Sir and not Mr Tanker
Political disinformation is rampant online. How can voters cope?
Between disinformation, emotionally-provocative posts and political spin, it can be hard to figure out what’s fact online. (Dado Ruvic/Reuters)
The federal election is officially underway, and that means more Canadians will be moving online to discuss, debate and prepare for the vote.
But they'll be stepping into an environment that's been embroiled in the campaign for months, with messaging that ranges from disinformation to good old-fashioned politicking.
Here's a look at some of the major players online, the kind of messages they're sharing and what voters can expect online over the next five weeks.
Third party advertisers: Social media savvy through a hyper-partisan lens
While third party advertisers have played a role in Canadian democracy for a long time, there's a new breed that's solely focused on the election and is particularly savvy online. Using memes, videos and jokes, newer third party groups are hoping to influence voters with shareable online content.
North99, founded by former Liberal party staffers, and Canada Proud, founded by a former Conservative party staffer, are two of the most prolific of these newer groups.
Third party advertisers are required to register with Elections Canada if they spend $500 or more on advertising related to the election, and report where their money comes from and where it goes.
Watch: What to look for and how to protect yourself from falling for disinformation and misinformation:
CBC News
Why it’s so easy to fall for fake news and how to spot it
Whether during an election or just a regular day of the year, people are bombarded with news and information in their feeds. So how do we know what's true and what's false? A lot of it unravels with a little digging. We show you what to look for and how to protect yourself from falling for disinformation and misinformation. 6:56
Third party groups aren't typically sharing disinformation — demonstrably false information deliberately shared with an intent to mislead — but instead frame information to promote a particular point of view. Lately, their messaging has largely been attacking rival parties and politicians.
"We want to talk about issues that are going to resonate in key electoral battlegrounds in a pertinent, accessible, digestible way," said Jeff Ballingall, who runs the conservative-leaning Canada Proud.
Ballingall said some of the issues that resonate the most with Canada Proud readers are government corruption, inequality and the cost of living.
A recent post from Canada Proud, for example, shared a new report from The Globe and Mailthat said the RCMP have been blocked from accessing certain documents related to the SNC-Lavalin affair. Canada Proud tied the lack of access to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, calling him "corrupt" and dubbing him "Canada's crime minister."
Canada Proud frequently attacks Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in its posts. (Screengrab/Facebook)
This kind of provocative language can be powerful on social media, said Gordon Pennycook, a University of Regina cognitive psychologist and assistant professor who studies disinformation.
"The stuff that really works, that really gets spread, is the stuff that gives people a really strong immediate reaction, which is often fear or disgust," said Pennycook. "It's compounded when it has societal importance on something people care about, which is where it intertwines with politics."
Darker corners: where disinformation thrives
There are also plenty of online groups and pages that share political messaging but aren't official third parties. These groups, on Reddit and Facebook, aren't subject to any regulations and often peddle disinformation.
Disinformation can take a number of forms, including memes. Memes can include a false quote or made-up fact pasted on an image. The image format makes it easy to share but difficult to track.
Since the image isn't linked to a single source that can be fact-checked, it's difficult to debunk memes, leading many people to believe they're true.
This meme takes an old image to spread false information about Trudeau visiting a mosque on Victoria Day. (Facebook)
Another strategy is to share information out of context, causing people to misunderstand its meaning. Such information can be old news stories shared as if they're new, or videos edited to leave out an extra sentence or important context. These posts often tap into fears and misunderstandings around immigration, voter fraud and corruption in government.
When it comes to spreading disinformation, Facebook is a hotspot because it's much more popular among Canadians than other platforms, according to Gabrielle Lim, a researcher at the Data & Society Research Institute focusing on the implications of disinformation, propaganda and "fake news" in society.
"Canadians are much more on Facebook than, say, Twitter or Reddit," Lim said. "If I were a disinformation operator wondering where I'm going to get the most impact, I'd look at what platforms people are using."
Party messages online: toeing the line
Long before the election was formally called, each of the major political parties was already engaging in campaign messaging online. While a lot of what they've said is par for the course (criticisms of policies and candidates), other messages have struck some social media users as misleading.
Frequently, Canadians on social media will flag to CBC tweets from politicians that they consider unfair or misleading. For example, readers have complained about Liberal MP Bill Morneau tweeting about Conservative Party leader Andrew Scheer's comments on cutting government spending, and about Scheer himself sharing a debunked story about a U.K. child murderer coming to Canada.
"Politics is a rough sport and people occasionally take liberties in critiquing their opponent," said Michael Pal, an associate law professor at the University of Ottawa specializing in election law.
"That's all normal. It's just happening more online."
Getting through the online bog
If you're overwhelmed by the mess of things online, you're not alone. Between disinformation, emotionally provocative posts and political spin, it can be hard to figure out what's fact.
Simply keeping your eyes peeled for completely false information isn't enough, said Ben Nimmo, director of investigations at Graphika, a commercial analytics company in New York. Nimmo leads the company's efforts to track and detect disinformation online.
"It's always important to look out for obvious fakes — things that are demonstrably false — but that's really only a part of the overall spectrum of manipulation online," Nimmo said. "A lot of what we see is not a story which is 100 per cent fake. A lot of the time the facts will be reported accurately, but there'll be a lot of emotional targeting or emotional bias on top of it."
Nimmo said the best thing voters can do to protect themselves is to think critically about everything they encounter online, from tweets to blog posts to news articles. And if something you're reading causes you to feel an immediate emotional reaction, take it as a clue to step back and reconsider.
"Some of the news out there will be entirely genuine, some of it will be somewhat twisted, some of it will be entirely false, but we're all very incautious in the way we actually consume news on our phones," Nimmo said. "Take a step back, don't get sucked into the swirl."
Have you spotted something fishy online? Send your disinformation news tips to kaleigh.rogers@cbc.ca
David Raymond Amos@DavidRayAmos Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others Whereas CBC was supporting Noname Political Trolls and blocking me before the writ is dropped I decided to keep what i said about the Irving Clan to myself for awhile at least
Irving Oil's refinery in Saint John is the largest in Canada with a capacity to refine 320,000 barrels of oil per day. City politicians have questioned whether its $5 million property tax bill is high enough given much smaller refineries out west that pay more. The company says its true tax bill is $6.1 million, counting refinery related marine terminals, an amount higher than eastern Canadian averages. (CBC)
Irving Oil Ltd. gathered information on property taxes paid by six western Canadian oil refineries, but then excluded much of it from a presentation it made to a committee of MLAs last week.
The information would have shown the company's refinery in Saint John pays property tax at a rate well below the national average had it been shared with lawmakers.
It's a point Saint John Liberal MLA Gerry Lowe said he and other members of the committee receiving the presentation should have noticed and asked about but did not.
"We were more of a lay person trying to figure it out and we were just over powered," said Lowe. "I didn't feel very good about that for damn sure."
Study's results presented
Irving Oil executive Andrew Carson (right) and Graham Little appeared at a legislature committee hearing into industrial property tax issues last week. They told MLAs the company pays property taxes on its refinery "above average in the market." (Ed Hunter/CBC)
Irving Oil was one of a number of companies and business groups appearing before the legislature's law amendments committee last week to argue against expanding property tax assessments on New Brunswick industries that would serve to raise their property tax bills.
In a 33 minute appearance, Irving Oil executives Andrew Carson and Graham Little presented the committee with results of a study the company commissioned from the Altus Group detailing property taxes paid by Canadian oil refineries in seven provinces.
The Altus Group is a leading national property tax and valuation consulting company.
The presentation showed Altus had looked at property taxes levied on 14 Canadian refineries, but Irving Oil's presentation to MLAs gave detailed results on only eight of those. Property tax information gathered on the remaining six, all based in western Canada, was not fully disclosed.
Carson told MLAs Irving Oil pays $6.1 million on refinery related properties, an amount he expressed as an annual charge of $19.25 per barrel for the 320,000 barrel per day facility.
That he said was 20 per cent higher than $16 per barrel amount Altus documented was being charged to the average of eight refineries operating east of Manitoba.
"Our per barrel taxes paid are much higher than our competition and above average in the market," said the company's power point display that accompanied Carson's comments to the committee.
Exclusion affected comparison
But the $16 per barrel average Irving Oil compared itself to was affected significantly by the exclusion of the six western refineries.
The 130,000 barrel per day Co-Op oil refinery in Regina, Saskatchewan was billed $4.9 million in property taxes this year. That's a "per barrel" tax rate of $38, nearly double the rate Irving Oil pays on its refinery in Saint John. It's a comparison Irving executives did not share with MLAs at committee hearings last week. (CBC)
In Saskatchewan, the Co-Op refinery in Regina pays a property tax equal to $38 per barrel on its daily capacity, nearly double the rate Irving Oil pays in Saint John.
In British Columbia, the Parkland refinery in Burnaby pays $68 per barrel — more than triple what is levied in New Brunswick.
The remaining four western refineries excluded in the comparisons are in Alberta and all pay tax bills at rates significantly higher than those portrayed in the presentation to MLAs.
The largest of those four is an Imperial Oil refinery outside Edmonton that was charged $8.8 million in property tax this year — the equivalent of $47 per barrel on its 187,000 barrel per day capacity.
Just minutes from that facility is a refinery complex operated by Suncor. It was billed $16.4 million for property taxes this year — the equivalent of $115 per barrel on its capacity of 147,000 barrels per day.
Property tax below national average
Carson did not respond to a request to ask a company representative about its presentation. But had all refineries surveyed by the Altus Group been compared to one another for MLAs, Irving Oil's rate of property tax of $19.25 per barrel would have been shown to sit well below the national average and in ninth place among the 14 facilities.
Lowe says the information Irving Oil did share involved comparisons of assessments, taxes, tax rates and taxes paid per barrel of oil processed and was difficult enough to follow without trying to spot information not being presented.
"I couldn't follow it. It was real confusing," said Lowe.
"They did a great job. The presentation was there. It's what isn't there from the other refineries I would love to be able to see."
Green Party leader David Coon who also sat through the presentation said he too failed to pick up on how information about western Canadian refineries appeared in early sections of Irving Oil's presentation but then disappeared when tax bills were compared in detail.
"The reality of the committee is there are so few minutes to ask questions you really have to focus on something in particular and follow it through.
"I was focused on other things. I didn't catch the western ones (refineries) dropping out," he said.
More questions
Irving Oil did make an argument to MLAs that western refineries operate in different business environments than eastern refineries and cannot be fairly compared. It suggested their proximity to oil supplies, access to pipelines to transport product and other factors were advantages not available in Eastern Canada.
"Any refinery's competitiveness and resilience are a function of its position in its regional market, not in Canada as a whole," said the company in its printed materials.
Saint John Liberal MLA Gerry Lowe holds a paper copy of the presentation Irving Oil made on property taxes to a legislature committee last week. The document excluded six western Canadian refineries when comparing "per barrel" property taxes. Including them would have shown Irving Oil's facility pays property taxes at a rate below the national average. (Robert Jones/CBC)
Lowe said that may be the case but he would prefer all information be made available for MLAs to consider, without exclusions.
"There's questions now that I see I could ask," said Lowe.
Property taxes on oil refineries in Canada represent only a sliver of their operating costs and barely register in final product prices that reach consumers.
In New Brunswick last month any $50 fill-up by a motorist would have included only about two cents to pay for refinery property taxes. It's a fraction of the $18.97 in fuel taxes, $21.47 in crude oil costs and $9.54 in other refinery and dealer expenses and profits hidden in that $50 charge.
Whereas I follow the money Methinks it should obvious why I called this publicly held company first thing this morning N'esy Pas?
Altus Group Limited is a leading provider of software, data solutions and independent advisory services to the global commercial real estate industry. Our businesses, Altus Analytics and Altus Expert Services, reflect decades of experience, a range of expertise, and technology-enabled capabilities. Our solutions empower clients to analyze, gain insight and recognize value on their real estate investments. Headquartered in Canada, we have approximately 2,500 employees around the world, with operations in North America, Europe and Asia Pacific. Our clients include some of the world’s largest real estate industry participants. Altus Group pays a quarterly dividend of $0.15 per share and our shares are traded on the TSX under the symbol AIF.`
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: I’m sure the company is shaking in their boots after thst phone call...
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: YUP I called Moncton and got a call back from Toronto just now I told the dude to read my comments here and I will contact his boss
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: I’ll give them a call and inform them you are agile person who likes to sue everyone under the unnsimoly becasise they breathed in our dorection
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Please do
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: While you are talking to them why not ask them if our CPP invests in their company?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Raymond Amos:
I’d you dislike what cpp is used for, become self employed and do not do the optional payin recently made available as an option,
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Clearly you don't know who I am
David Raymond Amos Surprise Surprise Surprise
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Mehtinks you have An awful lot of varying name David Amos accountd, nesy oss?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks everybody knows why too many of my personal comments are being blocked as I run for public office again So I obviously switched accounts to the one I use for Hard Ball Politicking N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Which violates the TOS.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: NOPE CBC killed the account long ago and after I took on their lawyers they gave it back to me
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Multiple accounts violates the tos.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: NOPE most politicians have multiple accounts and many minions supporting them as well Methinks its just like you as you support Mr Higgs and his Irving cohorts and attack my politicking N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: I don’t support Higgs, I’m anti government, period,
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks everybody has your number and that you are obviously pro Irving all the way down the line and Mr Higgs is their buddy N'esy Pas?
Johnny Jakobs What a joke? Irving gets their own tax appraisal done and plays gymnastics with the stars... and the MLAs didnt notice? Time for another meeting and some follow up questions. Were they under oath when they presented their report?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs: Methinks Mr Higgs knows that the Irving Clan and their minions know how to play the wicked game far better than our temporary MLAs N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: David, it’s no different than you going around threatening employees you are calling their boss, and suing everyone,
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Pure D BS and it is also libel
Dave Corbin It's not in the public interest to know. This is New Brunswick remember, don't compare us.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Dave Corbin: Where is your pride in our Province?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: I lost my pride in The province ehen sll the citizens just shine the rich whopsy more than they ever will, aren’t paying enough,
I lost pride in the province,when the citizens stopped taking care of their own and depend on others to live up ther lifestyle,
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Cry me a river
David Raymond Amos
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Reply to @Johnny Horton: You whine in CBC all day long and criticize people who run for public office in sincere effort to expose the public corruption yet do not have the sand to put your own name on a ballot Correct?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Why is it I was not to see my reply blocked?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: I forgot the word Surprised in the comment above
Johnny Horton Ahh yes, the usual,use charge the rich more and all our problems will go away crowd is out in force today,
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Johnny Horton: I believe in a free society shred people are free to do what rhy want and mske what they want and to keep what they make.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Yea Right tell us another one
Pieter Vrugteveen
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: you've nothing productive to say.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Pieter Vrugteveen: So you say EH?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Pieter Vrugteveen: Did you read my all comments in the other article that they are referring to? Trust that you can't because I have not blogged them yet
Dan Franklin Wait a second. Are you telling me that the Irving's were dishonest? Say it ain't so!
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Dan Franklin: Methinks Johnny Horton could say it but it wouldn't make it so N'esy Pas?
Michael Davis They are friends with skippy
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Michael Davis: Methinks thats a good nickname for Mr Horton N'esy Pas?
Murray Brown Hold on... The Irving's run this province and even elected the man as the Premier, so they are essentially in power of everything and he's doing a fine job of running the province like the Irving's run their company... On the cheap.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Murray Brown: Methinks that is supposed to be a secret N'esy Pas?
Dusty Green Irvings being shifty in order to avoid paying taxes? Noooo~ Unbelievable! When have they every used greasy tactics in the past....
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Dusty Green: Methinks you jest just enough N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell @ Johnny Horton Ye must've been the " hatchet man " in human resources at " the Empire " I take it.
Dianne MacPherson
Reply to @Lou Bell: OFF TOPIC, Mr. Bell !!!
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Dianne MacPherson: Methinks you don't that Bell is a woman N'esy Pas?
Dianne MacPherson Reply to @David Raymond Amos: OMG.....I did not !!! My sincere apologies for that.... but not for the comment !!! LOL
Dianne MacPherson I don't have the time today to read through 225 (at this time) comments before posting my own. I only have one question....... what is Gerry Lowe doing on this committee ...... no disrespect to Mr. Lowe intended. I thought that committee work would be served by those having some seniority in Politics !!!!!
Dianne MacPherson Reply to @Dianne MacPherson: Who were the other Members ????
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Dianne MacPherson: He must be a new member his name is not on the website member list for that dommittee.
Dianne MacPherson
Reply to @Johnny Horton: But Mr. Lowe is the featured MLA in this article !!!
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Dianne MacPherson: I think the reporter kind of messed up the wording, it implied thst Lowe is on the committee when it says “and other committee members”. When in fact, I think Lowe 2as there as The originator of he amendment and not as a committee member.
Not sure though, it could be clearer.
Dianne MacPherson
Reply to @Johnny Horton: If you read the article it's plain enough !!! Read the quotes from Mr. Lowe; featured at the bottom of the article and the caption/s with the pics !!
Dianne MacPherson
Reply to @Dianne MacPherson: Look under the heading..."Property tax below national average" you'll find remarks from Lowe there.... and a real 'beauty' from David Coon !!!
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Dianne MacPherson: Methinks you missed the boat N'esy Pas?
Dianne MacPherson
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Ah....Friday the 13th !!!
Al Clark Methinks we need a scorecard to keep track of all the "daves"and their alternate logins, naysay paw??
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Al Clark: Ahh but its all good, nothing to see here. I mean right from the horses mouth, politicians always do it.
At least we know if “Dave” ever did win, he’d fit right in with all the rest of em.
Lou Bell
Reply to @Al Clark: Says Marc ! We know you.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Al Clark: Methinks you thinks I should feel honoured by you stealing my expressions N'esy Pas?
Al Clark Reply to @Lou Bell: Yess lulu, if you say so often enough it must be true?
Al Clark
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Methinks youthinks I am not openly mocking your ridiculous repetitions naysay paw?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Al Clark: Methinks everybody already knows what I think of you N'esy Pas?
Al Clark Irv said it was a myth a few days ago and now they've "proved" it. NEXT!! LOL. Peasants should know better than to question their betters
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Al Clark: Or better yet, don’t like being s oeasant, make something of yourself'.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks you should take your own advice N'esy Pas?
Jason Inness Lying or omitting data, facts, information to a legislative committee should have the same weight as doing so in a court of law. They should be charged with perjury.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Jason Inness: If the legislature wants unbiased details reports they can do it themselves, not like we don’t have tens of thousands of civil servings in this province.
Jason Inness
Reply to @Johnny Horton: They presented to the committee. Whether they were requested, or they made the request to present, the information they provide, and the answers to the questions posed, should be factual. Data should not be omitted. What they provide in the case of information can influence and impact public policy, which affects us all. That needs to be considered in this.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Jason Inness: And again if the legislature is thet concerned about facts, they csn use the tens of thousands of civil sevenths we have to do their research for them.
Like any employeee, of course the companies interests come first. Anybody thet has ever worked or snyoe else has started some point painted a rosier picture than actually existed,
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Jason Inness: Never so,d anything to anyone? I’m sure some details of the product or service were conveniently left out in your presentation,
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Jason Inness: I’m sure that nobody who ever got a ticket or warning, ever embellished or left out dats ehen tslking to the police, layer and nudge to make them look better and more appealing,
But sure go off on Irving for it.
Jason Inness
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Sorry, if my employer asked me to lie to a legislative committee, I would ask them to send someone else. You may think it excusable to sell your honesty to a company, but I do not. They put it into a presentation, chose to leave out data points that countered their argument, gave a presentation that they knew was going to influence public policy.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Jason Inness: I never said it was oksy, I did however point out the hypocris and yo everyone in one way or another doe the same thing,
Two wrongs don’t mak a right. It singling out one side or one group doesn’t make a right either,
I still claim, that as a consultant, you st some point in some report to earn your pay, left out some fact or didn’t preset s some angle.
Greg Smith
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Johnny, you are a shameless Irving shill, that's abundantly clear.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Greg Smith: Oh So True
Jason Inness
Reply to @Johnny Horton: No. I have sold to people. I don't leave out the details. Why? Because I want them to understand what they are getting, because if they are displeased with the product or service, then I can kiss any repeat business away. Also, this is not the first time Irving officials have been caught lying to elected officials. Remember the night that Saint John council voted them a tax break on the LNG property? They said the deal was contingent on the tax break. Fact was that the deal was already closed.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Jason Inness: Wow. It would take you hours to sell a single thing, to list all its pluses and minuses. Any issues anyone ever had with the item.
I’m sure your boss loved that.
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks the Irving Clan and their buddy Mr Higgs love you about as much right now N'esy Pas?
Rod McLeod This is why any report should never be taken at face value. The math in presentations like this is correct but the formulas are are edited to come up with the desired result. Also missing are recipients who can understand what the report is presenting.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Rod McLeod: And you of course have never omitted any facts to your boss. Ever,
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Need I say HMMMM?
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Johnny Horton: With all due respect Johnny, it seems that every time someone alleges wrongdoing by Irvings, you simply counter by pointing to wrongdoings by others. Two wrongs do NOT make a right. Wrongdoing by ordinary citizens should not be tolerated and neither should wrongdoings by the Irvings.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Why is he do any respect?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Did I say it was oksy? No. I am just pointing out the talking out of both sides of the face. They ire st the Irving’s, ehen peole do the death thing S every day of their lives.q
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Fred Brewer: People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones st others, don’t complain about what others are doing, until you get your own house in order.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Maybe instead of people sitting around complaining on a message board thst will be gone in a few y3@4#, they could be more productive in making the changes they do desire in sotyl
David Peters
Reply to @Johnny Horton: No one is living in a glass house, and all empires are still cro ok ed.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Peters: Yes they are. Most of the things they complain about here, they do s varietion of it themselves.q
David Peters
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Playing by the rules that were set up long before we came along...can't blame ppl for that. But, imo, it helps, and is important, to point out how things have become distorted and how to make things better.
This is why, imo, it's better to try to correct the system than it is to try to go after individuals who have obviously benefited from the distorted mess it has become.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Peters: Im sll for the Irving’s, or any corporation being taken down a peg or ten. As soon as every citizen that games the system in one way or another gets taken down s peg or two. No more lot variations. No more calls to an mls thst you don’t like something or want something, no more favours from government or businesses. No more 2hining until you get your way on an issue, no more favouritism requests about your kids and school sports etc.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks desperate shills post desperate things N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Methinks people enjoy their little perks they manipulate for themselves, yet despise others who also get them,
Lou Bell
Bet you won't see this revelation in Brunswick News ! Talk about controlling the press !!!
David Peters Reply to @Lou Bell: It pays to control the media, when your running a rack et like this...
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks everybody knows that goes without saying 1984 was a long time ago and the Book was written long before that and no doubt old KC read it when he was young N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Peters: You are free to start your own media empire. You’ll probably do like everyone else though, and just laugh the whole way to the bank when the Irving’s Offer to buy you out,
David Peters
Reply to @Johnny Horton: It's much easier to buy ppl off when you get million$ in corporate welfare, seemingly at will. Is everyone entitled to that corporate welfare $? If not, why can one group or individual get it over others?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Peters: We’ll build your empire up do that you to csn petition for Corporate welfare. I mean it’s how the system works right or wrong, do like the Irving’s did, get to the grind. Salve for decades get big and demand your corporate welfare,
It’s not like they were given it day one of kc working his first job,
I know, you’ll do the typical internet thing and twist thst to me defending corporate welfare. Which I am in no way doing, I’m simply saying if you want thst corporate welfare, then do what sll ther other people who got it did. Worked hard, got successful and got s big corporation.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Johnny Horton: And before you tell me that’s there’s nothing left to do, that’s what they said before apple came along, or google. Or any other number of new ventures, thst instead of competing with monopolies, forged new ground,
David Peters
Reply to @Johnny Horton: "It’s not like they were given it day one of kc working his first job,"
How do you know how it all started? Bc, that's what they told you?
All empires are cro ok ed and should be simply outlawed...never mind the rationalizing. Competition should be encouraged...in every sector. That is why anti-competition laws are on the books. They need to be enforced, though.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Peters: No. Consumers need to regain their duty and instead of being entitled and getting everything regulated, stop buying and go without products and services they don’t like or agree with,
Lou Bell
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Off the backs of others , many times nefariously at best !
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Lou Bell: May the strong survive and the weak vanish. Gotta love Darwinism.
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks that is exactly the reason you are about to got "Poof" N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
So they presented the " good " ! But not the " bad and the ugly " ! What more should we have expected from them ? About their Bermuda Holding Company where they " launder " their business assets ?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: This about PROPERTY Taxes Methinks we have legions of our Tax Assessors under Mr Higgs purview We do not need to hear from any overpaid corporate consultants from out of province N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Lou Bell: Hey Lou, ehen you went in s first date, did you give the date sll your facts or did you try and present your best presentation?
David Peters
Reply to @Lou Bell: A complete audit of all corporate welfare handed out in the last 30 yrs would be nice...how did it help the homeless/child poverty situation in NB?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Peters: Yes right, let’s pin centuries of homelessness and child poverty on Irving handouts.
Lou Bell
Reply to @Johnny Horton: I didn't L I E if that's what you're inferring ! Boy, your self painted profile must be a beauty !!!!
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Lou Bell: No you just left off your bad issues for a later time to be discovered,
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks a lot of folks are wondering if your Mother knows the truth about the dude she raised and if so would she be proud of you N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton Maybe instead of government spending millions to find out *** to charge every more, then csn cut expenses and services. Making more services self supporting,
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks you think you know everything about everything N'esy Pas?
However “Confucius said, "To know that we know what we know, and that we do not know what we do not know, that is true knowledge.”
Johnny Horton Right Irving is evil for clewrcitting the forests! But it’s oksy citizens buy up more and more land in sprawling subdivisions.
The hypocrisy of people.
David Raymond Amos
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Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks you should know all about hypocrisy N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell Reply to @Johnny Horton: The hypocrisy of you .
Brian Robertson So what? The only fair way to compare taxation is as a whole. That includes not only property taxes and corporate tax rates, but also payroll taxes. Also to be considered is what government incentives and subsidies are in place. One can cherry pick just one aspect of taxation to make either argument that taxes are higher or lower in New Brunswick when compared to other Provinces.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Brian Robertson: Which the Irving’s kinda did with their $19.25 a barrel, At least the direct tax part. Which is highest n east/central Canada, but not distant west Canada.
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Johnny Horton: What is missing is the billions of dollars Ottawa gives as subsidies to oil and gas companies.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Fred Brewer: What’s missing is the salaries paid, the cpp ei payments. Work safe psyments. And more indirect taxation.
David Peters
Reply to @Brian Robertson: ...and how does all the corporate welfare handed out over the years figure in?
...and how does the fact that we are dealing with a monopoly that, effectively, uses the long arm of the law to thwart competition figure in?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Checkout the cheques NB Power write to the Irving Clan Thanks to the Alward government
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: You claimed to have no CPP
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: I also said I never worked for Irving what’s your point, we are discussing Irving, thst tid the news story,
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Peters: Again what monopoly, there are several competitive gas station chains in NB.
Bernie Heather McIntyre
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Yes there are and guess where they buy their gas from. Humm, yeah the Irving refinery with their own grades made there.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks you need to review your own comments N'esy Pas?
David Peters Reply to @Johnny Horton: You must be kidding...but, I'll state the captain obvious, every gas station you see, in NB, the fuel comes from only one refinery.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Peters: I’ll be captain obvious, barrels of oil are priced globally.
Fred Brewer You have to ask this question: Who is struggling financially? Is it the Irvings or is it the city and the province? As one of the richest families in Canada, we know its not the Irvings. With current taxes at about 5 cents per barrel, there is nothing wrong with raising the tax to 10 cents per barrel. Tax law is created by our government and they can change it anytime they wish. Regardless of what anyone says, an extra 5 cents per barrel, will not harm the refinery.
David Peters
Reply to @Fred Brewer: When taxes go up on the refinery, who do you think is going to pay for that? The cash cow, driving public maybe?
Fred Brewer
Reply to @David Peters: As pointed out previously, doubling the taxes on the refinery results in a 0.0003 cent increase per liter at the pumps. No biggie.
David Peters
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Yeah, right, no biggie. Taxes, as it is now, is almost half the pump price. No biggie.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @David Peters: Your point is?
David Peters
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Increasing taxes on the refinery is only going to increase the price at the pump, which (pump prices) are already ridiculously and dangerously high. Dangerous for the economy, that is.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Peters: Other jurisdictions in the world have paid higher prices for decades. They sll seem to be surviving nicely in Europe etc,
David Peters
Reply to @Johnny Horton: You're kidding right? You want to pay $6/litre? The only thing saving us from that here is the little bit of free market there is south of the border...and that's shrinking all the time.
Jared Henderson
Jared Henderson
Reply to @Johnny Horton: yeah and about 3 european countries fit into NB not to mention their Train system etc...your point is leaving out important info...do you work for irving?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @: Jared Henderson So dump the refinery and gas stations and build a train system. Blaming other methods of transportation doesn’t change the fact the price Of gas is low in cansda. A train system doesn’t heat homes or power offices.
Roy Kirk
Reply to @David Peters: The refinery supplies drivers in many places, not just Saint John. So New England drivers will end up paying, so what?
Jared Henderson
Reply to @Johnny Horton: low for you maybe, you obviously make more than I do in a year if you find it easy to manage...congratulations
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Jared Henderson: It’s very easy to manage. I don’t drive. Been over s year since I was kat in a vehicle of any type, great way to save money.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @David Peters: Property tax is not related to the price of gas The gas price is regulated by other minions of Mr Higgs
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Pure D BS
David Peters 19% of all oil processed in Canada goes thru this refinery. I like an environmental tax of 1$/barrel. It's outrageous to me that Irving Oil presenters skewed the number by not including the more successful oil refiners in the country & just cherry picked producers to suit their narrative. Additionally, the 6.1 million $ tax bill they pay includes other properties like port facilities, lubricant plants, pipelines, tank farms, packaging plants, staging areas, etc., etc. I'm disappointed with our panel of MLA's who did not seem prepared. I also think that the committee chair was restricting time, where it should not have been restricted . Shenagance is all I can say on such an important process, with meaning for NB'ers. With so many tax dollars flowing thru this facility, it would seem reasonable for Irving Oil to instill trust in their business venture to the public and not fudge figures at they obviously did.
June Arnott Reply to @Dave Peters: It's the IRVING way! They care nothing about what they do to the environment as long as they can keep making money and keep most of it
David Raymond Amos Reply to @June Arnott: YUP
June Arnott The Irving promise, keep the money. The old man would be proud
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @June Arnott: Of that I have no doubt
Johnny Horton I don’t see why a refinery on the eat coast should be compsred to a refinery on the West coast,
It’s like comparing property in Labrador city to Vancouver,
Ridiculous,
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks its rather comical that folks have been wasting their precious time arguing you for many months after I proved you were full of BS when you supported the Irving Clan's interests within ambulance nonsense N'esy Pas?
June Arnott Say it ain't so! Irving not telling the FULL truth!!
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @June Arnott: Surprise Surprise Surprise
June Arnott This is what has been going on in NB for ever! IRVING is not for anyone but themselves. They continue to NEVER pay their fair share! Imagine the money NB would have were they to confront them. But everyone knows IRVING is the government here, in every back room.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @June Arnott: Just like every citizen. In it for themselves. Controlling what neighbours do thst disturbs them. Wanting everyone pay for their expenses but themselves. Plus tons more,
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks just because you and your buddies in the Irving Clan thinks that way it does not follow that everybody else does N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Right becsuse you have never done anything for personal gain that impacted someone else negatively,
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Not to my knowledge and if I did so by mistake and became aware of it I would always make amends ASAP. Methinks my following a very simple rule that my Father the former Tax Supervisor of this province taught all his children long ago and it always stood me in good stead when I was in business. I may have made more money if I were deceptive but I sleep well with a clear conscience to this very day. I suspect if you had a conscience you could not make the same claim In a nutshell "There Are No Degrees of Honesty" N'esy Pas?
Jason Inness Maybe I am stupid, but I can't seem to get their math right. If they pay $19.25 per barrel, that means they are producing 3,168,831 barrels per year ($6.1 million divided by $19.25). Right?
That would mean that the refinery, with a thru-put of 320,000 barrels per day, is only running at capacity for 10 days of the year? (3,168,831 divided by 320,000 barrels per day)
Am I missing something from the article? Can one of the MLAs maybe ask the Irving reps how they get these numbers?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Jason Inness: The 19.25 is not just property tax, but all taxes and fees they pay on a barrel.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Jason Inness: Forget the math Its a straw man argument Get back to fair share of actual property taxes Methinks folks can't see the forest for the trees even after the Irving Clan has mowed most of them down N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: 6.1 million is more than fair. Far more than almost everyone else in this province pays for a building,
Property taxes should be capped at fifty thousand per year.
Bernie Heather McIntyre
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Yaeh sure since the SJ hospital pays over twice what the refinery does.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Bernie Heather McIntyre: First off I said ALMOST SECONDLY. It’s hardly the same thing. The hospital is using tax money to pay taxes. Simply shuffling numbers around,
It’s like bragging you got twenty bucks from the tooth fairy, ehen you put it there yourself.
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Are you by any chance subsidizing your retirement income with these postings?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Nah I already hand pushed mowed the lawn today, don’t own a car so won’t goin nowhere,
Unfortunately I do use some power for the internet and harm the environment, but I do try for zero impact.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks you have become a rather huge embarrassment to your buddies today N'esy Pas?
Bill Stroud Math is right. Typo on the number of days per year.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Bill Stroud: Who cares the argument is a moot point
Bill Stroud Let's do some simple math. $6,100,000 tax per year divided by 356 days per year divided by 320,000 barrels per day equals 5.2 cents tax per barrel.
Bernie Heather McIntyre Reply to @Bill Stroud: Well it seems the Irving's people think that we stupid Maritimer's can't do math
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Bernie Heather McIntyre: Its not rocket science
Johnny Horton Reply to @Bill Stroud: The article clearly stipulates it’s not just property tax but sll taxes and fees per barrel.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: So what?
Frank Dee $/barrel seems to be a strange metric. Since when do we base property taxes on a business' output? Are we also gonna start charging corner stores $/scratch-tickets-sold?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Frank Dee: I agree with the Irving Clan on that issue but paying their fair share of property taxes is a whole other kettle of fish
Bernie Heather McIntyre As usual Irving's people lie again which is not new along with blackmail comments. A little story . In 1980 the Saint John Shipyard had a new contract when James Irving held a meeting saying you will be the highest paid shipyard in Canada at $10.38 an hour. In 1981 I moved to Vancouver B.C to work in a shipyard an made $14.97 an hour and I said to myself wow I guess Irving lied I am still in Canada and look at the competition since there were 7 shipyards in Vancouver although much smaller than Saint John. So to get to my point the Irving's lie to N.Ber's and are very competitive with the rest of Canada. If they weren't the Irving's wouldn't have gotten so rich from a small % of Canadian's who live in Atlantic Canada.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Bernie Heather McIntyre: Methinks all the politician know about the hoedown I had with the former General Counsel of Irving Ship Building in Federal Court on January 11th, 2016 I know I duly informed Admiral Norman and his lawyer long ago and everybody played dumb for years N'esy Pas?
David Peters Almost half the pump price is tax...nice.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @David Peters: Go figure
Geoffrey Estabrooks I bet Higgs knows the tax situation between the West and Irving Oil and he didn't say anything. After all he was CFO of Irving and should have known. Shame on him!
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Geoffrey Estabrooks: Yep ain’t allowed to have any in the past. Must be a fresh politician right out of a test tube.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Geoffrey Estabrooks: Methinks just like all other politicians Mr Higgs knows no shame N'esy Pas?
Roy Kirk 6.1 million dollars per year divided by 320,00 bbl per day results in nonsense units. Divide it by 365 days per year to get a sensible number -- a little more than 5 cents property tax per barrel of oil processed. Oil that costs about 60 bucks per barrel. Surely the tax take could be higher!
Witnesses should have been sworn to tell the whole truth.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Roy Kirk: "Witnesses should have been sworn to tell the whole truth."
Dream on
Paul Krumm It wasn't that they didn't notice, it was that they deliberately ignored.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Paul Krumm: YUP
Lorne Amos If you don't like the 6 million in taxes they pay just shut it down and put thousands of workers, plus related spin off industries, out of work. Watch the bankrupt courts go crazy, but the Irving haters will be very happy.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Lorne Amos: Yes that’s my whole point. Posters act like Irving’s don’t pay nsything, they pay more in one year for one building than almost all NBers will pay in a lifetime in ALL taxes, income property, sales etc.
Evan Day
Reply to @Johnny Horton As they should, given what the property is worth. That's how it works.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Evan Day: Which is wrong,
It was a system devised by middle class to enrich the middle class.
Nothing fair about it,
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Lorne Amos: Cry me a river
Matt Parks Reply to @Johnny Horton: The Champlain Mall in Moncton pays a way higher property tax than the refinery. So does the Regional Hospital in Saint John....
Bernie Heather McIntyre
Reply to @Lorne Amos: I'm sure they would shut down the refinery. Not!!!
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Bernie Heather McIntyre: Why not shut it down? I me@; if you listen to people here they are rolling in money and don’t need it.
If I were them I’d shut it all down at the first boo of complaint,
Winston Smith
Reply to @Lorne Amos: What a child like, uneducated thing to say.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Winston Smith: Why is it chisldish? If you already have mod then enough money, why bother running anything, not like you need the money or it will give you anything else you don’t already have.
Winston Smith
Reply to @Johnny Horton: It's called "Capitalism", Johnny. By definition, you can never have enough. You share, along with Lorne Amos, a child like, uneducated, lack of understanding of the world. Very difficult for me to believe that am responding to an adult, living in the 21st century.
John Valcourt Would anyone expect anything else from Irving.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @John Valcourt: I wouldn’t expect anything less from anyone who wants to keep their money they earn,
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @John Valcourt: I don't In fact I expected more
Buddy Best
Reply to @John Valcourt: I keep hoping they wake up some day to revelations of what they have become. Boot scum !! and mend their evil ways. Far too optomistic I know.
Buddy Best
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Earned??????? Always the jokester.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Buddy Best: Methinks he is far worse than a mere jokester N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton ROFL you mean the MLAs are upset when someone does what they do sll the time - play with numbers and cherry picks facts.
Astounding!
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Johnny Horton: After reading your numerous pro-Irving posts, I have to ask this question: Where do you work Johnny?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Fred Brewer: I’m not pro Irving,
I’m pro, you make it, you should get to keep it. I’m rather shocked posters don’t think they (the posters) earn should be theirs to be honest,
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Johnny Horton: I see you ducked the question. Where do you work Johnny?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Retired. No plum government or corporate pension. Did my own earning and saving. Won’t be a burden on society,
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Most of my life was self employed. Which mesnt no cpp back in those days for self employed. So I’m on my own.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Fred Brewer: It ain't rocket science
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Most of my life was self employed and everybody knows there was always CPP for the self employed In fact I am collecting it in my old age much to the chagrin of the CRA dudes who cancelled my SIN
Linda Christie Hazlett If MLA's are not intelligent enough to decipher Irving presentations then it is their responsibility to the New Brunswick people to have a tax lawyer present at the presentations
Gil Murray
Reply to @Linda Christie Hazlett: So it does not bother you that a private sector company withheld data from a government committee in order to mislead? I am not sure what you hope to get from a tax lawyer but apparently you have lots of money if you are going to lawyer up at every presentation you see.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Gil Murray: Governments mislead citizens all the time, what’s the difference?
Rosco Holt
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Two wrongs don't make a right...
Why is it ok in either scenario?
Linda Christie Hazlett
Reply to @Gil Murray: Irving has been beating Saint John for years. Don't they ever learn. You can't justify stupidity. Get a professional if you don't know the job. It would save you the money you are worried about in the end.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Linda Christie Hazlett: Yes man, that six million they pay now, boy they sure showed Saint John.
That’s sarcasm in case you missed it. They aren’t doing a very good job when they lose six million. Shear.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Linda Christie Hazlett: I wholeheartedly agree
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Rosco holt: I concur
Buddy Best
Reply to @Linda Christie Hazlett: Irving messing with the figures? say it isn't so!!! Would they sink that low? Of course....they have been doing it since pencils were invented with erasers. Bottom feeders.
Ben Haroldson The answer to the deficit is higher property, and income tax for large, billionaire companies.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: The answer to any situation ehen expenses exceed revenue, is to cut expenses.
Rosco Holt
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Cut subs and sweet deals would do allot to reign in expanses.
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Johnny Horton: The Irvings are one of the richest families in North America. I don't think their expenses exceed their revenues. What is your point?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Fred Brewer: My point was answering the post which was about government just cheering more tees to mske more money, keep up.q
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Are you still making fun of me?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Davis: Yes David, you should rush off to court and sue Ben, or st least call his boss in him,
What are you, like ten years old.and a spoiled brat, I know you aren’t, but you certainly act it.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Who is Davis? Methinks you are acting just like the missing in action SANB/GNB dude Marc Martin N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Fred Brewer: Methinks you must have figured out what Iam saying about Horton is true by now N'esy Pas?
Ken Dwight I'm surprised they pay any tax at all. We know they avoid revenue tax by locating their corporate headquarters in Bermuda.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Ken Dwight: Which isn’t illegal.
Rosco Holt
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Which isn’t illegal. Yet..
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Rosco holt: It will always be legal. As it should be,
We live in a free world.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Yea Right Free for whom?
Alison Jackson
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Lol No no no no....Irving takes raw materials from NB which doesn't belong to them it belongs to the citizens of NB. They make products out of these things and the tax they should be paying goes to a shelter that KC set up in 1972 to avoid taxes. it's estimated they owe us in the vicinity of $42 Billion. You are OK with that huh?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Alison Jackson: Yea... whatever... the hypocrisy is astounding...
This coming from a scoring thst “thinks” they are buying land and property, funny how you get to take the land and do with it what you want, put s building on it, sell it, whatever. But others cannot,
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Ken Dwight: Its property tax they are arguing not Income tax
Buddy Best
Reply to @Ken Dwight: As you probably already figure outr they don't pay willingly or near enough.
Buddy Best
Reply to @Johnny Horton: But it should be illegal on a level playing field.
Buddy Best
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Free World? Dream on little broom stick cowboy. It is only free if you can afford to buy it and it ain't cheap.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks dudes like you and the Irving Clan live by the creed that everything is legal as long as you don't get caught N'esy Pas?
Saint John Harbour MLA Gerry Lowe speaks with Andy Carson from Irving Oil at the second day of hearings on a proposal to make heavy industry pay more property tax. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)
Corporations and business groups continued their attack Thursday on a proposal to extend property assessments and taxes to cover their machinery and equipment.
Irving Oil, which operates the largest refinery in Canada in Saint John, blitzed members of a legislative committee with a series of charts and tables designed to show them it's a myth that the company gets off easy paying taxes.
Irving executive Andrew Carson said the company has "the highest tax bill of any refinery outside Alberta" and is facing steep taxes on a number of fronts.
"New Brunswick is not a low-cost jurisdiction," Carson said. "We pay fairly high corporate income taxes, we have high personal income taxes, we have fairly high WorkSafe New Brunswick rates and we now have a fairly high carbon tax."
The legislature's law amendments committee is studying a motion by Saint John Harbour MLA Gerry Lowe to expand the assessment base and end or reduce exemptions.
Motion not binding
The plan already appears doomed. If passed by the full legislature, the motion is not binding on the Progressive Conservative government.
And Finance Minister Ernie Steeves declared yesterday that he has already made up his mind to oppose the measure. He said it would apply property taxes to farmers' tractors and ovens in pizzerias.
Charline McCoy and Miramichi Mayor Adam Lordon spoke on behalf of the Cities of New Brunswick Association.
Miramichi Mayor Adam Lordon responded to that claim during his appearance at the committee Thursday.
"That is not the case," Lordon said on behalf of the Cities of New Brunswick Association. "That is not what we're advocating for. I always think it's important to have a debate on the facts rather than throwing misinformation into the mix as well."
Meanwhile, Saint John Mayor Don Darling pushed back at suggestions that floating the idea is anti-industry or anti-business.
He said it stems from a realization that the municipal tax structure hasn't changed since the Equal Opportunity reforms in the 1960s, when cities weren't playing as large a role in the economy.
"The legislation we're dealing with is decades and decades old,"he told reporters.
At the hearing, Darling repeated his call that the province hand over its portion of property tax revenue in the city to the municipality and eventually give it the power to tax industry directly.
Lower tax burden
Lowe's motion was inspired by a report prepared for Saint John city council in 2017 that examined taxing machinery and equipment.
The rookie MLA and former city councillor says the revenue would allow the city to lower the tax burden on residents, which might help slow the migration of city residents to neighbouring municipalities.
Irving Oil and the New Brunswick government squabbled for years over whether the company should get a property tax exemption for its storage tanks on the outskirts of Saint John. The exemption finally went into effect in 1980 and has stayed put. (CBC)
He has repeatedly cited the 800-acre Irving refinery as a potential source of new property tax revenue.
On Wednesday, Green Party Leader David Coon brought up a supposedly temporary 1980 law to exempt Irving's oil storage tanks from provincial property taxes, a measure still in place almost four decades later.
Carson said Thursday the exemption applies to only 10 per cent of the company's tanks at the refinery and its nearby Canaport facility.
"So the balance of our tanks [are] fully assessed, fully taxed municipally, provincially," he said. "They're not treated in a different way."
Carson urged the committee to take into account the company's other contributions to Saint John, including the property tax it pays on its other properties and its involvement in the community.
For the most part, Carson avoided being drawn into discussion about the Irving family's wealth. Lowe asked him about corporate profits and whether the refinery makes "good money" from all the oil-based products it sells.
But Carson avoided being pinned down.
"It would vary through the year, in all honesty," he replied. "There are generally times in the year when certain products are in higher demand."
Later in the morning, Coon challenged the refrain from various business groups about New Brunswick's high tax burden putting new investment in the province at risk.
'Unlikely to invest'
When Sheri Somerville of the Atlantic Chamber of Commerce said businesses in the province are already overtaxed, Coon pointed to a 2016 Conference Board of Canada report that said New Brunswick had the second-lowest corporate tax burden in the country.
She said there have been new costs since then, including the federal carbon tax, that makes business owners "uneasy" and unlikely to invest.
"Would you not agree that if we have a sub-standard health-care system, that would be a barrier to new investment, to attracting business to New Brunswick? Or if we have a substandard education system or, God forbid, both?"
Somerville answered by calling for a broader tax review.
"There is no one silver-bullet solution that we can apply," she said.
Lordon also called for a broad tax review, even though the eight cities he was representing aren't opposed to Lowe's proposal.
"We're in support of a perhaps higher level of taxation on equipment and machinery, but we don't think that is enough," he said. "It has to be about more than that. It's got to be a lot broader."
Lordon said cities are playing a greater role in the province, with 91 per cent of New Brunswickers living within 50 kilometres of a city but most of them not contributing through taxes to the cost of city services they use.
He said cities need taxation powers to match their growing role as "regional hubs."
Lowe's proposal "would be one very small piece of one very large and complex puzzle," Lordon said.
"This is not going to create the broad systemic change that we desperately need in this province.
Looking at only one piece in any way is not going to be enough."
88 Comments that CBC did not block Whereas CBC wss supporting the Noname Political Trolls and blocking me before the writ is dropped I decided to keep what i said about the Irving Clan to myself for awhile at least Nobody reads my blogs anyway Correct? Commenting is now closed for this story.
David Amos Welcome to the Circus
David Amos Methinks some folks will be astounded by the fact that I agree with the Irving Clan on this issue However everybody knows they don't pay their fair share of property taxes Hence the title of this article incredibly funny N'esy Pas?
David Amos Enjoy your weekend folks no doubt Mr Higgs won't N'esy Pas?
Danny Devo There is always some great reason why they don;t pay proper taxes. What a sh&#-show this is.
David Amos
Reply to @Danny Devo: Of course
Lou Bell
Guess it's either the Con Irving option , or the SANB / Liberal option of spending waste on their own francophone / corporate contributors option. e.g Atcon / Franco phonie Games , etc.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is shown with three Nova Scotia MPs, including West Nova MP Colin Fraser (left), Halifax MP Andy Fillmore and South Shore-St. Margaret's MP Bernadette Jordan. (Andrew Vaughan/The Canadian Press)
The last time a federal Liberal government went into an election holding every seat in Nova Scotia, it didn't turn out so good — at least not for them.
In a stinging rebuke, all 11 Liberals were defeated in 1997.
Mary Clancy was one of them.
"When the writ was dropped in '97, I knew I was dead in the water," recalls Clancy, a two-term Liberal MP who represented Halifax.
Her share of the vote plunged from 45 per cent in the sweep year of 1993 to 21 per cent in 1997, when the Grits were wiped out in Nova Scotia.
Mary Clancy won the Halifax seat for the Liberal party in 1988 and again in 1993, but was defeated in the 1997 election. (CBC)
On election night, she took some comfort from an uncle.
"He looked at me and he said, 'Well you can't take this personally, as the whole province went down to defeat.'"
Could it happen again to team Trudeau?
Gravity calls
Twenty-two years later, there are some very important differences in the political landscape and one brutal similarity: there's nowhere to go but down.
And not just in Nova Scotia.
The Liberals enter the election holding all 32 seats in Atlantic Canada.
They've rebounded in public opinion polls from earlier this year, but a seat projection model used by Halifax-based Narrative Research suggests Liberals could lose as many as 40 per cent of their seats in Atlantic Canada in 2019, mostly in New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island.
"I would certainly say that it looks as though the Liberals could continue to hold the majority of the seats in the region, but certainly not all of them as they did in the past," said Narrative Research CEO Margaret Brigley.
Incumbent MPs defeated
The Liberals also had a huge lead into the 1997 election, having won 31 of 32 Atlantic seats in the 1993 election under the leadership of Jean Chretien.
Four years later, they fell flat everywhere in the region except P.E.I., where they held onto all four seats.
The Liberals lost three of the seven ridings in Newfoundland and Labrador, and six of the nine seats they held in New Brunswick, where the NDP won two seats for the first time ever.
Elsie Wayne, the lone Progressive Conservative survivor from the 1993 election, was joined by four other Tories.
But it was worse in Nova Scotia, where every Liberal — each an incumbent MP — was defeated. The red team was replaced by six New Democrats and five Progressive Conservatives.
That election launched the federal careers of New Democrat leader Alexa McDonough and Peter MacKay and Scott Brison, who both went to Ottawa as rookie Progressive Conservative MPs. Brison would later cross the floor to join the Liberals.
Mad at one, mad at all
Clancy and the other bluenose Liberals were the first to feel the wrath of voters spoiling for a chance to punish the deeply unpopular provincial Liberal government of the late premier John Savage, who resigned one month before the federal election call.
"People don't particularly differentiate. If they're mad at the Liberals they are mad at all Liberals. Mad with the Tories, mad at all the Tories," said Clancy.
"Premier Savage, who is a man I absolutely adored and have the greatest of respect for, was not the most beloved premier at the time."
Canada's least popular premier today is Liberal Stephen McNeil of Nova Scotia, according to pollster Angus Reid. In June, it said McNeil had an approval rating of just 16 per cent.
Liberal Premier Stephen McNeil of Nova Scotia is the longest-serving premier in Canada, but polls suggest his popularity is waning. (Craig Paisley/CBC)
"I will go out and do some work for some of the MPs who want me to," said McNeil, who is also the longest-serving premier in Canada, when asked this week if he will help out in the upcoming campaign.
"I haven't been directly asked."
Why 2019 is different
But here is where differences emerge.
Whatever dissatisfaction there is with the McNeil government, the Liberal brand has been holding in Nova Scotia. It's even on an uptick, according to Brigley.
"We certainly don't see the provincial Liberal Party in the same dire straits as was the case back in 1997," said Brigley.
More importantly, Liberals this time are not carrying the dead weight of huge federal spending cuts in the region.
Prime Minister Jean Chretien waves to the crowd from his limousine following Canada Day ceremonies in Ottawa in 1996. (Tom Hanson/Canadian Press)
Changes enacted by the Chretien government in 1996 helped balance the books but made it harder for seasonal workers to qualify for employment insurance.
Anger over EI is largely credited in the defeat of two of the Chretien government's most powerful ministers: Doug Young in New Brunswick and Dave Dingwall in Nova Scotia.
Less baggage
In Nova Scotia, the spending cuts also closed or downsized military bases and reduced federal spending on health care and education.
Health and education are both delivered by the provinces — a factor in Savage's woes.
One of his cabinet ministers publicly called out the 11 Liberal MPs at the time, accusing them of not protecting Nova Scotia.
"I haven't seen the federal MPs defending these programs," John MacEachern complained at Province House in Halifax.
Clancy denies that charge.
"I was nine years in Parliament and I spent at least part of every day that I was there trying to explain to Ontario ministers and Western ministers why EI was not a welfare program, that if you live in Cumberland County in Nova Scotia or rural Nova Scotia anywhere for three months of the year when you're knee-deep in snow, there's no work," she said.
Brigley said in 2019, the Liberals are not carrying the same baggage.
"The reason for that is really the sense that Justin Trudeau's Liberals, his Liberal team, they haven't enacted a serious policy initiative like EI reform that has angered voters to the same extent," she said. The exception might be carbon pricing in New Brunswick.
Greens are on the menu
Another difference is the rise of the Green Party, which supplanted the NDP as the third party in the Maritimes, according to Narrative Research polling this summer.
With the New Democrats weakened and the Greens new and untested, Liberals hope cautious voters could stick with them, even if they are not satisfied with Trudeau.
"I would say that the Liberals are not likely to be entirely wiped out in the province [Nova Scotia] this time around, partly because, unlike in 1997, the left of centre voters, they really need somewhere to park their votes," said Brigley.
Even in a wipeout like 1997, the Liberals were not entirely out of it.
In Nova Scotia, they took 28 per cent of the vote, just behind the New Democrats and PC's at 30 per cent, who won all the seats.
A Conservative sweep on the other hand would require breaking through the party's ceiling in the region, which Brigley said has not exceeded 45 per cent federally.
"So the question here would be who does the Conservative party have as leader in place to really change something that has polled Liberal historically," she said.
Ripple effect of Brison resignation
And then there is Scott Brison's resignation, an unforeseen event which has already reverberated inside and outside of Nova Scotia this year.
Trudeau adviser Gerald Butts told a parliamentary committee earlier in the year that Brison's resignation was a complete surprise.
Scott Brison resigned from cabinet in January and stepped down as MP the following month. (Adrian Wyld/The Canadian Press)
The Prime Minister's Office tried to talk Brison out of quitting, fearing its impact on longtime Nova Scotia Liberal MPs, who were passed over in the cabinet shuffle it triggered. Those fears seem justified.
MPs Rodger Cuzner and Mark Eyking subsequently announced they were quitting.
They joined Brison, rookie Colin Fraser from West Nova and veteran Bill Casey from Cumberland-Colchester as incumbents not reoffering.
"In short, in the span of a few months, we would go from holding all 11 seats in Nova Scotia with strong incumbents to having five of them open in the next election," Butts told the committee.
Butts also claimed Brison's departure led to the decision to move Jody Wilson-Raybould out of the Justice portfolio, where she was resisting efforts to intervene in a prosecution of Quebec engineering firm SNC Lavalin.
Whatever the merits of that claim, the departure of the incumbents in ridings that were traditional strong Conservative strongholds is cause for concern for Liberals in 2019.
Butts specifically identified Brison's Kings-Hants and Cumberland-Colchester, where Casey was first elected as a Progressive Conservative in 1988.
Corrections
We initially reported that Bernadette Jordan, the Liberal candidate for South Shore-St. Margarets, was not reoffering in the 2019 election. She is, in fact running in that riding in this election.
SNC-Lavalin affair shows, once again, no election plan can prepare for all events
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David Raymond Amos Methinks the Liberals must be Happy Happy Happy for a month or so N'esy Pas?
"The RCMP has not launched an official investigation and it will suspend its initial inquiries into the matter until after the federal election."
Kirk Miller Lol Wow...still going on this. Liberals trying hard to deflect this away...nothing happened, no crime, blah blah. It's sad how anyone could stand for this in the government - Liberal, Conservative...doesnt matter. If they wanted to do anything to any citizen what is stopping them...they believe they are above the law. Regardless of your political leanings...this reeks. If there was nothing there...Trudeau would waive the cabinet confidence and put this to bed and it would go away real quick. Anyone with half a brain can see that.
What some may not realize is his political career is over. The R C M P will continue this investigation. Get into whatever semantics you want...it was an investigation. He has been charged by a private citizen for obstruction of justice which has been accepted to be heard by the courts. If he doesnt win a majority...which he wont...no other party will prop him up to stop further investigations.
Face it...his shelf life has expired
Alfred Frey
Reply to @Kirk Miller: Why waive cabinet confidence when there's literally no crime to be found? We already know who said what to the AG. Everything else is gossip
Don Luft
Reply to @Kirk Miller:
Trudeau broke a principle of ethics but a very fine one. Apparently the principle is that the Atty.Gen can seek the opinion of the government but that the government is restricted in pushing it's opinion. This is a principle, not a law.
Dion noted a private interest to the company and a public interest in this matter, but decided to make his ruling based on the private interest to say Trudeau breached an ethics rule. He could just as easily considered the public interest as primary to exonerate him.
Another wonky ruling was on the Aga Kahn matter. It was OK for a politician to accept "gifts" from friends. Dion ruled the Aga Kahn was not a friend because they had not seen each other for a long time. For the last few years I've been meeting with friends I hadn't seen in over 50 years. They are still friends
Two of the ethics violations were merely technical errors related to disclosure and not significant matters. One case involved a couple of pairs of sunglasses and the other a mistake in the technical ownership of a villa, as being shares rather than proprietary.
Why anyone thinks these matters are paramount over what a party intends to do if elected beats the hell out of me.
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Kirk Miller: Methinks if Trudeau The Younger wins the next mandate the RCMP will close the file much to the chagrin of many Canadians N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Don Luft: Yea Right
Don Cameron If there was nothing to the SNC affair, Trudeau could have ended this in a day by allowing full disclosure by all involved. He didn't. And so it drags on. Reminds one of the expression, 'where there is smoke, there is fire'.
Lloyd Jones Reply to @Don Cameron: Don it reminds me of ... 2006 - RCMP allege Liberal ministers involved in illegal insider trading as election begins, Harper wins, investigation evaporates. 2016 - FBI Days before a US election Director Comey against Justice Department rules announces new findings of privately held classified emails traced to Hillary Clinton on a laptop then announces it amounts to nothing. This becomes a major factor in Clinton's loss to Trump. Having inappropriately influenced the 2006 election, the RCMP would be correct to suspend this matter until after this one. Trudeau will be available for prosecution if needed. Otherwise they are open to charges of partisanship.
Lloyd Jones Reply to @George Alexander: Even Wilson-Raybould (a former Crown Prosecutor) said Trudeau broke no laws. AFAIK the RCMP have not said they have begun formal investigation into this matter and are only involved at the urging of the Conservatives who are arguably seeking partisan electoral advantage from it. Polls suggest most voters have already made up their minds. We'll see if Wilson-Raybould's book (due out soon) has much effect on a close election.
Lloyd Jones Reply to @James Holden: Companies this large are known for "supporting" political parties sympathetic to their business who might form government. SNC were caught illegally funneling donations to both the Liberal and Conservative parties through individuals. I guess they would regard this sort of thing a just a cost of doing business, like bribing Libyan officials to win contracts.
John Dunn Reply to @Lloyd Jones: The "bribing of Libyan officials" is standard practice in the real world. If you don't grease palms you don't get the work. That is the part that most Canadians do not understand about the rest of the world.
Dan Desormeaux Reply to @John Dunn: exactly, I've been saying that from the start.
John Dunn Reply to @John Dunn: I dealt with international business and let me assure you that this is the way business is conducted. Would anyone expect Gathafi to not require bribes. lol
David Raymond Amos Content disabled Reply to @Don Cameron: "And so it drags on."
Methinks this is interesting that another Wherry article has stayed open for comments for 3 days N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Methinks I struck another nerve N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Don Cameron: YUP
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Lloyd Jones: Yea Right
Kevan Cleverbridge (Hill 70) Canadians are sick and tired of being told untruths. This election will boil down to whether you believe Justin and whether you believe Justin has been a disaster in all other areas of governance. A competent and responsible government is all we want.
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Kevan Cleverbridge (Hill 70): Methinks the awful truth is most folks are so disgusted by all the nonsense coming from all the politicians that they simply don't care anymore Hence the election result may surprise everyone N'esy Pas?
Jamie Gillis Really, CBC? First off, this isn't a news article. At best it's another so-called "analysis." But really, don't you think it's questionable to have the guy who has a new book out cheerleading for Trudeau and working hard to minimize anything associated to SNC writing supply objective journalism pieces on it now? We've heard enough from Wherry.
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Jamie Gillis: Methinks you can expect hear a lot more for the next month or so N'esy Pas?
Charles M. Sendie What’s Justin Trudeau hiding? Give the RCMP full access!
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Charles M. Sendie: Methinks the RCMP don't need to seek permission to investigate a crime. If they were not so afraid of their politically appointed boss the job would already be done N'esy Pas?
Michael Kachmar I am flabbergasted with the obsession to defend Trudeau and the Liberals for the indefensible. Of course I am going to make another choice in the upcoming election, that is what you are supposed to do when exposed to such toxic leadership with its mixture of virtue-signaling, ethics violations, political interference, and nefarious expenditures that are with accountability.
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Michael Kachmar: Methinks many folks just consider it more of the same old same old. Lest we not forget that not all that long ago after your hero Harper was found in contempt of Parliament he returned with his first and only majority mandate after decimating the Liberals. Then he really put it to us with his omnibus bills. While the NDP yipped and the Liberals came up with a plan. Harper was history once the King of Selfies courted the feminist and far left vote while promising to legalize dope, no more first past the post elections and an open and accountable government Peoplekind seemed happy happy happy for a while until a couple of powerful lady cabinet ministers staged a palace coup of sorts with the help of the Globe and Mail Now we have an interesting Circus unfolding it's tent N'esy Pas?
Graeme Scott It seems like there is still more to the SNC Lavalin affair yet come out. The fact that the Liberals are continuing to stonewall and hide behind cabinet confidentiality supports that view. The CBC (and the rest of Canada's media) would be doing a disservice to the country if they allow Trudeau to "move on" to other issues without pressuring him for answers.
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Graeme Scott: Methinks Senator Mike Duffy and many other politcal pundits would agree that the fat lady has sung on the matter and after polling day most folks will not care about it anymore no matter who wins the mandate N'esy Pas? Rob Unrau Justin won’t allow full excess to rcmp because he has something to hide.
Stephen Scg Reply to @Rob Unrau: Except that the RCMP is not bound by cabinet confidentiality
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Stephen Scg: Methinks that is correct However everybody knows the RCMP Bosses are afraid of political lawyers such Ralph Goodale in particular N'esy Pas?
Nicolas Krinis I listened to him yesterday. I have never heard so many meaningless platitudes coming out of the mouth of a politician, ever. On the other hand, I did very much enjoy how he was put on the spot and hot seat repeatedly. Disgraceful.
James Holden
Reply to @Nicolas Krinis: We know you prefer Conservative bait and switch pandering.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Nicolas Krinis: It was quite a hoot
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @James Holden: Methinks the liberals' fancy knickers are in a quite a knot now matter how you spin it you cannot deny that your leader's words were truly a telling thing to many N'esy Pas?
Michael Flinn
The only people who thought/hoped SNC had gone away were partisan Liberals like the CBC.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @michael flinn: True
SNC-Lavalin affair shows, once again, no election plan can prepare for all events
As Justin Trudeau found out on Day 1, campaigns are subject to unforeseen complications
Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau talks to media at Rideau Hall in Ottawa on Wednesday. (Sean Kilpatrick/The Canadian Press)
Political campaigns do not occur within hermetically sealed containers and elections are never perfectly simple comparisons of leaders and platforms. Events intervene. Things come up. Choices become complicated.
So it was that Day 1 of the 43rd general election campaign began with a story from the Globe and Mail claiming that unidentified individuals were somehow limited by cabinet confidentiality in what they could say to the RCMP about the SNC-Lavalin affair. Hours later, the day ended with a report that Jody Wilson-Raybould, the former attorney-general, spoke with the RCMP on Tuesday.
The initial report ensured that the first question Trudeau heard at Rideau Hall on Wednesday concerned the affair. The second report surely ensures that he will be asked again about the issue when he meets reporters on Thursday.
The election of 2019 will be about a great many things and many great things. And the SNC-Lavalin affair was always bound to hang over the proceedings to some degree or another. But Wednesday's revelations leave an uncomfortably open question to linger, one that Trudeau's rivals will no doubt be happy to exploit.
More questions raised than answered
The Globe's stories raise more questions than are answered, particularly as it pertains to how cabinet confidence is being invoked in this case. It is unclear who is claiming that confidence, to which discussions they are applying it or even how that confidence is being defined.
According to the Globe, the RCMP has not launched an official investigation and it will suspend its initial inquiries into the matter until after the federal election.
During her committee testimony in the spring, Wilson-Raybould, now seeking election as an independent in Vancouver-Granville, said she did not believe a criminal offence had been committed.
And the ethics commissioner is required by law to "immediately suspend an examination" if he "believes on reasonable grounds" that an offence has been committed. That commissioner Mario Dion completed his investigation would suggest that he did not believe any part of the affair rose to the level of a crime.
But the RCMP's view has now been raised as an unresolved matter and, crucially, that is something that won't be definitively resolved until sometime after October 21.
CBC News
Trudeau responds to questions over SNC-Lavalin affair
Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau said he respects the decision the Privy Council Clerk made over the SNC-Lavalin affair during a news conference at Rideau Hall Wednesday.
This might raise uncomfortable memories of 2006 for the Liberals, but also for the Mounties, who apparently sat down with Wilson-Raybould when an election call was imminent. But the Conservatives and New Democrats are unlikely to reserve judgment or tiptoe delicately around the legal nuances.
Trudeau's response on Wednesday was to be as succinct as possible. "We gave out the largest and most expansive waiver of cabinet confidence in Canada's history," he said.
Trudeau cannot resolve that now. Even if he was persuaded to extend the waiver, the RCMP's inquiries would presumably remain paused.
Trudeau can try to shift the subject
The Liberal leader can only insist on continuing to talk about the things he would rather talk about: the middle class, climate change, and the various things his government managed to do when it wasn't worrying about the fate of SNC-Lavalin.
He tried to do that on Wednesday and he will try again on Thursday. If there is not another story in the Globe and Mail tomorrow or the next day, Trudeau might not be hearing questions about the SNC-Lavalin affair by the start of next week.
Insofar as these questions have already consumed some amount of precious time and headline space, this likely already registers as some kind of setback. Every campaign will be challenged with some number of intrusions — on Wednesday, reporters were also keen to hear the federal leaders comment on Quebec's Bill 21. But some will be more bothersome than others.
CBC News
Scheer calls on Trudeau to waive cabinet confidentiality
Convervative Leader Andrew Scheer called on Justin Trudeau to waive cabinet confidentiality today over the SNC-Lavalin affair while answering questions before the Trudeau called the federal election Wednesday.
The campaign will find other concerns. Other things will come up. Thursday is another day and there will be another 38 days after that.
Generally speaking, the campaign that spends the most time talking about what it wants to talk about stands the best chance of winning. The SNC-Lavalin affair might be given new life and it might now linger throughout. But if it fades from the forefront, the Liberals will have some number of days to talk about other thing
Why isn't CBC News calling Justin Trudeau prime minister? Your Week 1 election questions
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David Raymond Amos "Why isn't CBC News calling Justin Trudeau prime minister?"
Methinks they are becoming accustomed to the possibility of losing their benefactor and trying not upset Harper 2.0 too much N'esy Pas?
Neil Shalapata
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: The CBC does this this every election so, no.
Claude Marcotte
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Methinks - There was once a ruler named Harper Whose decade was a complete disaster When at the hands of the weak Was handed defeat Tried a repeat With an anointed Scheep So that he could rule forever after.
Gary Parks
Reply to @Claude Marcotte: wow, there should be mandatory IQ tests required before allowing a profile on this board
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Neil Shalapata: How many times have they even mentioned my name being on the ballot in 6 elections thus far and soon to be 7???
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Gary Parks: Methinks even the mindless have the right to their opinions N'esy Pas?
Why isn't CBC News calling Justin Trudeau prime minister? Your Week 1 election questions
With the contest underway, here are some of the main things you want to know
Yes, Justin Trudeau is still prime minister. But in all CBC News election stories, he's now called Liberal leader, and you wanted to know why. It's one of the most common questions you had on Week 1 of the campaign. (Justin Tang/The Canadian Press)
Now the campaign is officially underway, many are just starting to think about the weeks ahead and how to vote.
We've been fielding many questions about all aspects of the election, from parliamentary procedure to voting restrictions.
Each week until election day, we'll be rounding up your questions and answering the most common in articles like this. Here are some we got during Week 1.
Why aren't you calling Justin Trudeau the prime minister?
You may have noticed CBC News referring to Justin Trudeau as Liberal leader. Yes, he's still prime minister. However, now that the election has been called, incumbents who are running for re-election are referred to by their party affiliation only. According to the CBC Language Guide, this is done to "avoid even the perception of giving incumbents an advantage."
There are exceptions, though. The political titles are allowed if it is a non-election story, where they are acting in their official role. Right here, though, it's Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau.
With Parliament dissolved, what happens if there's a national emergency?
With Parliament dissolved, it can't be recalled. Until the election ends and a new government is sworn in, Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau and his cabinet ministers"hold full and complete authority," according to the Library of Parliament. They would be the ones dealing with any emergency.
If that emergency requires spending money, they could do so through using the Governor General's Special Warrants, which cover expenses"urgently required for the public good."Any decisions would be guided by existing rules.
The Liberals are encouraged to act with restraint, though. An emergency is one thing, but they shouldn't be spending money on policy or new appointments. There are no penalties if they do that, but as the Library of Parliament warns, "the possibility of political sanction in the form of a defeat at the polls would have to be taken into account."
Now that Parliament's been dissolved by the Governor General, it can't be recalled before the election on Oct. 21. (Justin Tang/The Canadian Press)
I'm moving between now and the election. Where will I vote?
It depends where you consider your home riding to be. If it's your new home (and you are on the voter list), you can update your address here — but you should do it soon. That way, your voter information card can be sent to your new address. You can use it along with one other form of ID to vote. This is perhaps the easiest way to vote if you just moved, as you likely won't have time to update your address on any of your other IDs just yet; the election is soon —on Oct. 21 — after all!
If you still consider your old address your home riding (but don't want to drive back), you can do it by mail — you can sign up to get a kit sent now. You can also go to any Elections Canada office and vote there.
How does a person in hospital vote?
You may actually be able to vote via mobile polling station in the hospital. Elections Canada plans to travel to 5,202 different places where seniors or people with disabilities live, including hospitals. In some cases, poll staffers will actually go room to room in hospitals with a ballot box.
Elections Canada suggests contacting your hospital to see if voting will be offered there. Thesame type of identification rules applyasif you were to go to a regular polling station. There are several hospital items you can use as one of your forms of identification though, including hospital cards, hospital ID wristbands and labels from your prescriptions. You can use one of these along with an additional ID from this list, which has your address.
If you can't leave your house or make it to a polling station, you can get your ballot kit sent to you in the mail — you can apply for it now. In certain cases, an election officer may come to your house to let you vote. This is allowed if:
You can't read.
Your disability prevents you from using the mail ballot.
Your disability prevents you from getting to an Elections Canada office.
Elections Canada considers the home visit a last resort, if all other options have been exhausted. If you meet the criteria, you can contact your returning officer to request to vote at home.
Green Party Leader Elizabeth May, right, NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh, centre, Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer, second from left, and moderator Paul Wells finish the Maclean's/Citytv National Leaders Debate in Toronto during Week 1 of the campaign. (Frank Gunn/The Canadian Press)
How long has vouching been in place? How many people use it?
Vouching is being reinstated this election. It's the practice of getting someone to vouch for your right to vote if you don't have valid ID. That person must be able to prove their identity and address. It was offered as an option in past elections but was nixed as part of the Conservatives' Elections Act changes in 2014, so it wasn't available in the 2015 election. The Liberals made their own changes to the Elections Act last year, bringing back vouching.
In 2011, about 120,000 people used vouching in order to vote. That's around 0.8 per cent of all voters.
If I take my ballot and just hand it back, does it count as a protest vote?
We've been spotting — and correcting — some confusion on this. No, this would be considered a spoiled vote and wouldn't even be put in the ballot box. Elections Canada makes a note, but no numbers are released publicly. If you were to go into the election booth, vote for no one and then put the ballot in the ballot box, that would be counted as a rejected ballot. The number of rejected ballots is included in Election Canada's final vote count; there were 120,515 rejectedin 2015. However, it can't be considered a protest vote because many types of ballots are counted as rejected, including ones with no votes, ones with multiple votes and ones that are improperly marked.
"There is no mechanism to track people who want to protest their vote," says Matthew McKenna, who works in media relations for Elections Canada. In Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Ontario provincial elections, you can actually decline your ballot, which gives a better indication of those voting in protest. The option isn't available federally. Have a question you don't see here? Send Haydn an email at haydn.watters@cbc.ca. He'll try to get you an answer — or include it in a future article.
Haydn Watters is a roving reporter for Ontario, primarily serving the province's local radio shows. He has worked for CBC News and CBC Radio in Halifax, Yellowknife, Ottawa and Toronto, with stints at the politics bureau and the entertainment unit. He also ran an experimental one-person pop-up bureau for the CBC in Barrie, Ont.
Methinks many Canadians wholeheartedly agree and that Johnston and his cronies made a huge faux pas last month and are backtracking bigtime today N'esy Pas?
Maxime Bernier invited to participate in official commission debates
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David Raymond Amos Surprise Surprise Surprise
Adam Osborne Like the PPC or not, they are on the political landscape and Maxime deserves to make his case for the Canadian voters just like May.
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Adam Osborne: Methinks many Canadians wholeheartedly agree with you sir and that Johnston and his cronies made a huge faux pas last month and backtracking bigtime today N'esy Pas?
Aaron Barton I'm voting Scheer, but Max is the only one that is right on immigration. Qualified people as needed, not random over immigration like Justin is doing.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Aaron Barton: Methinks many agree that Maxy Baby may win at least 20 seats and perhaps even leave the NDP in the weeds as the 4th party N'esy Pas?
Robby Kingstown I support this decision because I support a fair democratic process.
Up if you agree. Down if you don't.
Moot Boomer Reply to @robby kingstown: let all the parties in then. 20+ podiums should be fun
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Moot Boomer: I concur
Scott Stewart
Bernier speaks for the silent majority
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Scott Stewart: Methinks at least Johnston and his cronies know that they are not so silent N'esy Pas?
Jason Martin
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Please stop saying "methinks" and "N'esy Pas". It reads ridiculously and you do it with every post.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Jason Martin: Methinks you Anglo dudes forgot to ask me if I cared about what you think of my fun mixing old English and with Chiac because you don't even bother to read what is within the first and last words N'esy Pas?
Jack Deamittors
will Trudeau show up for the English debate??
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @jack deamittors: Methinks it won't matter much because the sneaky lawyer Maxy Baby will decimate them all within the French one anyway N'esy Pas?
Graham Greene
Good news. Welcome to the legit debates, Max!
John Brown
Reply to @Graham Greene: Welcome to the jungle.
Ed Munn (FrogLips1)
Reply to @Graham Greene: The only reason you're excited about this is because you know it could affect Scheer negatively. The reason you're saying legitimate debate is because you're a liberal partisan and if Trudeau didn't show it can't be legitimate.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Graham Greene: Methinks we should welcome to the part of the Circus under the not so legit big tent N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Ed Munn (FrogLips1): Cry me a river
Maxime Bernier invited to participate in official commission debates
People's Party leader was not included among initial invitees
Maxime Bernier, leader of the People's Party of Canada, raises his thumb at the launch of his campaign Sunday, August 25, 2019 in Sainte-Marie Que.\ (THE CANADIAN PRESS)
The official Leaders' Debates Commission has decided to invite Maxime Bernier, leader of the People's Party of Canada, to participate in the English and French debates that will be televised next month.
"You have satisfied me that you intend to field candidates in 90 per cent of ridings and, based on recent political context, public opinion polls and previous general election results, I consider that more than one candidate of your party has a legitimate chance to be elected," David Johnston, the former governor general who leads the commission, wrote to Bernier on Monday.
Bernier was not initially included among the leaders invited to participate in the debates. Instead, he was asked to provide more information as the commission considered his case.
The commission's two debates will be hosted by a partnership of media organizations, including the CBC. The English-language debate will be broadcast on the evening of October 7. The French-language debate will occur three days later on October 10.
David Johnston, the former governor general who was appointed to lead the commission, extended invitations last month to Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau, Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer, NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh, Green Leader Elizabeth May and Bloc Québécois Leader Yves-François Blanchet.
The commission was charged with considering three criteria as it decided on a final list of debate participants: whether a party is represented in the House of Commons by an MP who was elected as a member of that party; whether a party is planning to run candidates in at least 90 per cent of ridings; and whether a party has a "legitimate chance" of electing more than one MP.
To be included in the debates, a party must satisfy at least two of those criteria.
Bernier and the People's Party have nominated candidates for more than 90 per cent of the country's 338 ridings, but the party has not yet elected an MP under its banner (Bernier was elected as a Conservative MP in 2015).
That left the commission to decide whether the People's Party had a "legitimate chance" of electing multiple MPs this fall.
"At this time in the electoral cycle, we do not consider that the People's Party of Canada has a legitimate chance of electing more than one candidate in the next federal election," Johnston said in a letter to Bernier in August.
Bernier was invited to submit to the commission a list of three to five ridings where the People's Party had a chance at success.
In addition to Bernier's riding of Beauce, the commission reviewed opinion polling results for the Ontario ridings of Nipissing-Timiskaming, Etobicoke North and Pickering-Uxbridge, and the Manitoba riding of Charleswood-St.-James-Assiniboia-Headingley.
The results of those riding-level polls, conducted for the commission by Ekos, showed that between 24.5 per cent and 34.1 per cent of respondents said it was "possible" that they would vote for the People's Party candidate.
According to a separate analysis, drafted by Nanos Research for the commission, it's possible for a party to win a riding if a quarter of voters there are willing to consider voting for the party's candidate.
Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer promises tax cut to save average taxpayer hundreds of dollars
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David Raymond Amos Methinks Mr Scheer may have to come up with a better plan now that he has to debate his old buddy Max in 2 Official Languages on National TV N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos
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Methinks CBC forgot to close this comment section after it went into shock about Bernier being invited to debate N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos Methinks Mr Scheer should ask the boss of the CRA The Honourable Diane Lebouthillier about the letter she sent me in 2017 about KPMG if he is truly serious and fair taxation Anyone can find it on the Internet just search her name and mine at the same time N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos Methinks for the next month the onus is on Mr Prime Minister Trudeau The Younger and all the other parties who sat in the 42nd Parliament to explain why they supported the answer of the Harper government to the lawsuit I filed in 2015 before I put in before the Supreme Court. In my humble opinion the Federal Court Rule 55 is not only an affront to the Charter but a rather huge insult to all Canadians who truly believed that no one was above the law N'esy Pas?
55 In special circumstances, in a proceeding, the Court may vary a rule or dispense with compliance with a rule. SOR/2004-283, s. 11
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @EinarJohnson: I posted the link to the law
David Hickie
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: You obviously have confused the Rules of the Federal Court with actual laws. Rules of a court, whether its Queen's Bench, Court of Appeal, Supreme Court or Federal Court are procedures relating to proceedings before those court. They do not have the effect of laws in Canada. There is no legal penalty to their violation, other than that the court may choose to throw out a claim or defence if the rules have been breached and doing so will not cause an injustice. What the provision you have referred to does, is allow the court to overlook minor technical violations of the Rules where it thinks it is appropriate. This provision most often is used where uneducated untrained litigants thru ignorance violate the Rules, and the Court is not willing to throw out an otherwise meritorious claim because of that.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @David Hickie: Methinks you should study a matter before you offer such an opinion. (Federal Court File Np T-1557-15) Issues of National Security are incredibly important and mob murders are capital crimes that cross borders and jurisdictions with no statute of limitations as to investigation and prosecution Furthermore the Constitution clearly states that nobody is above the law N'esy Pas?
Bill Denning Trudeau cannot be trusted. SNC. Electoral reform. Gr op ing. Who is this guy?
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Bill Denning: Methinks he is just another puppet for the corporate elites just like his daddy was N'esy Pas?
Dave Gilmore Poor raggedy andy, you cheated to become reformer leader, and you will most certainly cheat Canada. giving monies with one hand and taking with the other.
Bill Denning
Reply to @Dave Gilmore: Gerald. Get a real job.
Jay Voorhees
Reply to @Dave Gilmore: Exactly
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Dave Gilmore: Methinks there must be some reason I am humming a lot of old Pink Floyd tunes today N'esy Pas?
William Knot I would settle for just scrapping the carbon tax, but I'll take it!
Mo Bennett
Reply to @William Knot: if you believe Andy, I've got a nice bridge up by Nipigon that I can sell ya reel cheap.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @mo bennett: YO MO Methinks Justin will by your bridge if you would only start sing his praises ASAP N'esy Pas?
David Mccaig SORRY ANDREW nothing you can other , even for FREE will get you my vote.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @david mccaig: Methinks everybody knew that out of the gate N'esy Pas?
Daryll Mcbain Canadians pay to much tax for the services we receive. Also, How come when Trudeau spends billions we don’t get to hear how much it costs?
David Allan
Reply to @Rob Davidson: Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that affirms one's prior beliefs or hypotheses. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @David Allan: Methinks its not rocket science Hence there is no need of fancy words to explain that CBC will never bite the hand that feeds N'esy Pas?
Alexander Graham I'd rather pay more for environmental responsibility
Mark Baker
Reply to @Mark Baker: the fact that Canadians are even thinking about what they can do shows the "carbon tax" is dong what it should.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Mark Baker: Yea Right
Harold Dyck Four consecutive conservative provincial govts were just elected. Their common message, cost of living and spending our tax dollars wisely. No social justice warrior messaging, just simple kitchen table budget economics. Oh ya, one more thing, Justin is not trustworthy.
David Allan
Reply to @Jack Slate:
" wynne had a 10-11B planned deficit...how is that less than 7B?"
Ford said it was $15B.
How is the reality not good? Why do you need to try to spin the fact that it was less than budgeted and half what Ford claimed?
Some of us live in actual reality.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Harold Dyck: True
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @David Allan: Methinks that is all true as well but your seemed have overlooked the New Brunswick provincial election that I ran in last fall for rather obvious reasons N'esy Pas?
Bill Denning Fire Trudeau. Cut sending billions overseas. Cut the vote buying money to Quebec. Budget balanced. Equilibrium and prosperity restored.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Bill Denning: Dream on
James Felding Years of frivolous Liberal government spending on any, and all virtue signalling projects then Suddenly on September 15th 2019 all the Liberal supporters are concerned about budget deficits. Thank you for the laughs. Ever thought if going into stand up?
David Raymond Amos Reply to @James Felding: Welcome to the Circus
Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer promises tax cut to save average taxpayer hundreds of dollars
Under Tory plan, the average single taxpayer would save about $444 a year
Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer announces that, if elected, his party would cut the tax rate on the lowest income bracket. (Olivia Stefanovich/CBC)
Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer unveiled a new tax cut plan Sunday that he says will save taxpayers hundreds of dollars a year, a key plank of the Tory platform to make life more affordable. Scheer said, if elected, a Conservative government would cut the tax rate on taxable income under $47,630 to 13.75 per cent from 15 per cent.
Based on the party's calculations, the average single taxpayer would save about $444 a year. A two-income couple earning an average salary would save about $850 a year.
"We're going to deliver a tax cut targeted specifically at taxpayers in the lowest-income tax bracket. This means that every Canadian will see their income taxes go down and those in the lowest tax bracket see the biggest benefit of all," Scheer said at a campaign stop in Surrey, B.C.
"This means more money to pay the bills, to save up for your kids' education or maybe even finally afford a family vacation," he said.
Cut will be phased in
The party said the tax cut will be phased in over the course of a four-year mandate starting with a reduction to 14.5 per cent on Jan. 1, 2021, then to 14 per cent by Jan. 1, 2022 and then to 13.75 per cent on Jan. 1, 2023.
Based on Canada Revenue Agency data from 2017, about 34 per cent of country's 27.8 million taxpayers have taxable earnings over $47,630 and thus will be able to claim the maximum benefit of this cut.
The other 66 per cent of all tax filers have lower taxable earnings and will see proportionally less of a benefit from the cut.
The Parliamentary Budget Officer (PBO), the agency of Parliament that provides independent, non-partisan financial analysis, said the Conservative promise will cost the federal treasury about $14.075 billion in lost revenue between 2020-21 and 2023-24.
In subsequent years, the tax cut will mean roughly $6 billion less a year in federal revenue. The costly cut is similar to a major tax change made by the former Conservative government.
Under Stephen Harper, the government cut the Goods and Sales Tax (GST) to six per cent in 2006 and then again to five per cent in 2008. According to PBO calculations, the cut cost the federal treasury about $14 billion a year in lost revenue.
Still committed to balancing the books
Despite the price of his proposed tax cut, Scheer said he is still committed to balancing the federal budget in a "responsible" timeframe.
"We're going to get back to balanced budgets while we find ways to lower taxes and put money back in the pockets of Canadians," he said, while adding a Conservative party would not cut social transfers to the provinces for programs like health care and education.
While initially promising an accelerated schedule of getting back to fiscal balance in two years, Scheer has since said he will balance the books within five years.
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Scheer maintains he will balance budget
Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer says his party is committed to balancing the budget while cutting taxes and maintaining funding for core services. 0:30
The tax cut announced Sunday is not unlike the Liberal government's "middle class tax cut," which was implemented after the last federal election.
However, that cut targeted the middle-income bracket — which applies on taxable income between $47,630 and $95,259. The Liberals reduced the rate of that bracket to 20.5 per cent from 22 per cent.
Taxpayer's federation likes it
The Canadian Taxpayers Federation, an advocacy group that lobbies for lower taxes and smaller government, praised the Conservative plan Sunday, saying it will deliver "broad-based tax relief."
"Affordability is a key issue in this election campaign and leaving billions in the pockets of Canadian taxpayers is a great policy," said Aaron Wudrick, the federal director of the federation. "This income tax cut is exactly what taxpayers need: it would save Canadian families about $850 a year."
However, it's not just the first income tax bracket rate that would change with this proposal.
The Conservatives have already recalculated their previously announced tax credit proposals — for public transit and maternity and parental leave benefits — to account for the lower overall tax rate that would be in place as a result of this income tax cut.
Scheer did not say how it would affect other federal non-refundable tax credits — such as those for volunteer firefighters, search and rescue volunteers, home buyers, people with adoption expenses and for interest on student loans, among other eligible categories — which are all currently based on the lowest tax bracket of 15 per cent.
On the affordability theme, Scheer and the Conservatives recently unveiled a campaign ad featuring the party's election slogan: "It's time for you to get ahead."
More tax promises coming
The Conservatives are expected to unveil a series of campaign commitments in the same vein as this tax cut. Already, they have promised a non-refundable tax credit on maternity and parental leave Employment Insurance (EI) benefits. They've also vowed to remove the federal GST from sales of home heating fuels.
Scheer has also promised to reinstate the federal tax credit for transit passes, which, according to party estimates, would save a family of four transit users in the Greater Toronto Area nearly $1,000 a year.
Like his provincial conservative counterparts, Scheer has railed against the federal Liberal government's carbon tax and he has vowed to scrap it if elected. The Liberals maintain the initiative will lower greenhouse gas emissions and will be rebated to most families at tax time.
Canada's tax system is a progressive one with graduated brackets, meaning rates vary according to the amount of income you earn — and you pay different rates on different portions of your income. In 2019, the income tax brackets are as follows:
15 per cent on the first $47,630 of taxable income, plus
20.5 per cent on the next $47,629 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over 47,630 up to $95,259), plus
26 per cent on the next $52,408 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $95,259 up to $147,667), plus
29 per cent on the next $62,704 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over 147,667 up to $210,371), plus
33 per cent of taxable income over $210,371
PBO report on Scheer's tax cut plan
Corrections
The headline on this story has been updated from an earlier version which referred to a tax credit. The proposal is for a tax cut.
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: I don't have an unrealistic idea of my own significance in the grand scheme of things.
And I'm not a swivel-eyed loon (I have a doctor's note and everything).
BBC357 Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Don't worry about the BSosauraus.
David Raymond Amos
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Reply to @BBC357 .: Methinks I struck another nerve N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos
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Reply to @Mike Martin: Methinks I should send this to your buddies in the RCMP N'esy Pas?
Kevin Darroch
When the Conservatives were in power in 84-93 a private company PAI brought out couple of books. Somehow they had gotten lists of key, major staff in all Ministers offices, their passport sized photos, and resume. On the internet or public library or legislature library one can check, PAI- MInisterial Staff Guide. Google somehow, reportedly at one put it on the internet for awhile under Google books? Imagine you work in a government office and someone somehow is selling some of your details? Is that what? Who could approve? I wonder what Andrew Scheer, Rona Ambrose or Lisa Raitt might call that kind of systematic activity?
Mike Martin
Reply to @Kevin Darroch: It's publishing public information.
David Raymond Amos
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Reply to @Mike Martin: "It's publishing public information."
Reply to @Kevin Darroch: Methinks you should check my work sometime Everybody knows its all in the Public Record of Federal Court N'esy Pas?
Kevin Darroch
Reply to @Mike Martin: No, it was not! They claimed copyright, photos published without consent, no credit!? And why only that firm or how did who pick and choose on invasion of privacy, and more?
Mike Martin
Reply to @Kevin Darroch: Look a little deeper. PAI stands for Public Affairs International. They were in the business of publishing handbooks on who's who in government in the days before we got all security conscious. They published the information of political operatives, not public service employees.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Mike Martin: Twice I sent documents to you now I forward them on
Mike Martin
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: How did you send documents to me?
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Mike Martin: Through here byway of a link then the thread went "POOF"
Mike Martin
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Off topic stuff sometimes disappears.
Kevin Darroch
Reply to @Mike Martin: Really, is that all? About appropriation, breach of trust, or?
Kevin Darroch
Reply to @Mike Martin: Or ethics conscious, self interest and internet exposure?
Jack Thompson
Have to wait until after the election to get an update on the case against Trudeau.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Jack Thompson: Not if you pay attention the comments sections CBC
Arthur Johnston
Many Canadians have been calling this Liberal Admin. treasonous and now the evidence is clear.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Arthur Johnston: Google David Amos RCMP Sussex and listen closely
Peter Simmons
Delicious irony.....finding handwritten notes on how not to leave a paper trail.
Howie Torrans
Reply to @Mike Martin: But you did have to know something about the Law of the Sea, right? Ortis was specifically hired because of his knowledge of communications security.
Mike Martin
Reply to @Howie Torrans: He was specifically hired because he wrote about the security implications of organised crime having access to secure means of communication. He knew such means exist, and obviously knew about at least one Canadian company which provides those means, but that doesn't mean he knows the nuts and bolts of how to track those communication. It doesn't even mean he knows about the nuts an bolts of network analysis. He knows there are experts in those things, and consults them.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Mike Martin: Whereas you think you know so much about organized crime and enjoy making fun of my concerns why not Google the following?
David Amos wiretap
RCMP working to limit possible damage to allies in wake of spy charges: commissioner
RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki declines to comment on motive in Cameron Ortis case
RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki speaks at RCMP Depot in Regina, Sask. (CBC)
RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki said today the national police force is working to limit security risks among Canada's intelligence allies and assess potential operational damage in the wake of charges laid against one of its top intelligence officers.
"We are aware of the potential risks to operations of our partner agencies in Canada and abroad and we are working in partnership to ensure mitigating strategies are in place," Lucki said during a news conference at RCMP national headquarters in Ottawa.
"Once the RCMP became aware of the alleged activities, we worked with partners to take immediate steps to safeguard the information. Together, we are working to assess the level of impact to operations, if any."
Late last week, Cameron Ortis, 47, was charged under a section of the Security of Information Act that applies to individuals "permanently bound to secrecy" as a condition of their work. The director general of the RCMP's national intelligence co-ordination centre is accused of preparing to share sensitive information with a foreign entity or terrorist organization.
The commissioner said she could not comment on possible motives. She said Ortis has been employed in various roles by the RCMP since 2007.
Lucki also said no Canadian ally has made any moves to limit or suspend intelligence-sharing with Canada.
"We haven't had any restrictions at this point, and again, it's early on in the investigation," she said.
In a written statement issued yesterday, Lucki confirmed that Ortis had access to domestic and foreign intelligence.
She called the allegations "extremely unsettling."
Cameron Ortis makes his first court appearance in Ottawa on Friday, Sept. 13, 2019. The civilian employee with an RCMP intelligence team faces several charges under the Security of Information Act. (Sketch by Laurie Foster-MacLeod for CBC News)
Leak could cause 'devastating' damage: documents
According to documents viewed by CBC, the cache of classified intelligence material Ortis allegedly was preparing to share is so vital to Canada's national security that the country's intelligence agencies say its misuse would strike at the heart of Canada's security.
"CSE's preliminary assessment is that damage caused by the release of these reports and intelligence is HIGH and potentially devastating in that it would cause grave injury to Canada's national interests," say the documents.
The documents reveal that investigators covertly searched Ortis's condo last month and found a number of handwritten notes providing instructions on how to share documents without leaving a paper trail.
They also reveal that Ortis was just over $90,000 in debt.
The documents allege the security services first got wind of Ortis through a separate investigation of Phantom Secure Communications, a B.C.-based company under investigation for providing encrypted communication devices to international criminals.
In March of last year, the FBI revealed that it had taken down an international criminal communications service based in Canada that had revenue of $80 million over the last decade.
The documents seen by CBC News say the FBI investigation discovered in 2018 that a person was sending emails to Vincent Ramos, CEO of Phantom Secure Communications, offering to provide valuable information.
The documents allege that person was Ortis.
"You don't know me. I have information that I am confident you will find very valuable," one email contained in the documents reads.
A subsequent email promised to provide "intel about your associates and individuals using their network internationally."
David Raymond Amos@DavidRayAmos Replying to @DavidRayAmos@alllibertynews and 49 others "Content disabled" Methinks everybody knows why I look forward to debating the member of the People's Party of Canada who plans to run in Fundy Royal N'esy Pas?
Bernier's in — and the federal election debates just got less predictable
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David Raymond Amos Content disabled Methinks everybody knows why I look forward to debating the member of the People's Party of Canada who plans to run in Fundy Royal N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos Methinks much to Maxime Bernier''s chagrin the Rhinoceros Party knows why I look forward to the debates in Fundy Royal N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos Methinks it not rocket science to Google Maxime Bernier's name and mine N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos Methinks Gerald Butts must be a very nervous camper these days N'esy Pas?
Deganawidah Ayenwatha It's not all bad for Scheer - Bernier is unlikely to perform well. I've heard him in Parliament - you almost need subtitles. He may make Scheer seem more moderate
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Deganawidah Ayenwatha: Dream on
Chuck MacDonald o and make sure the cbc is deported as well
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Chuck MacDonald: Methinks I should agree with your joke for rather obvious reasons N'esy Pas?
DAVID MCGRUER Since the essence of the other large parties is the same, here is a public opportunity to show what is wrong with all of them. Go get 'em Max. Give the country a hint of what a move back towards freedom would look like
Sue McPherson
Reply to @DAVID MCGRUER: So, what do cuts to the CBC really mean?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Sue McPherson: Methinks it would save the taxpayers a lot of dough much to the chagrin of the people who use propaganda machine within our bureaucracy for their own benefit N'esy Pas?
Mike Parniak
It doesn't really matter that Bernier's party won't do much in the election - if he'll hit the various party leaders with tough and/or uncomfortable questions during the debate he'll be useful to canadians. Even more useful would be a requirement that the leaders give straight answers rather than talking around the questions.
Mark Thomas
Reply to @Mike Parniak: At least the possibility now exists that if immigration policy is raised - and it might not have been without Bernier on the stage - we'll actually hear a debate on the topic rather than regurgitated and often inaccurate bromides.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Mike Parniak: Methinks many agree that they may win as many as 200 seats whether your friends like it or not N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Mark Thomas: Oh So True
Rod Davis
Ahhh the unwashed liberal faithful.. clearly there is nothing their anointed one can do that is wrong in their eyes.. SNC.. JWR.. Philpott.. Norman.. Carbon.. Creston.. Veterans.. Atwal.. Boyle.. Khadr... Jack... McClintick.. Khan.. 68900 illegals.. 68 returned Syrian fighters.. failed trade with .. India.. China.. UK.. US.. AUS.. peoplekind.. elbowgate.. sandbagging.. paper water bottle box thingys.. dress up.. Nannies.. selfies.. Vacations..utter and blind devotion to the abysmal train wreck.. cloaked in failure from day 1
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Rod davis: Methinks that is rather comical statement because conservatives have often referred to me as part of the great unwashed Many of the elite within Peoplekind know that the Proud Hillbilly in me has always felt honoured that such nasty people did not consider me part of their club or anyone else's for obvious reasons N'esy Pas?
Laine Smith I hope Max pulls out all the stops!! Call out the LPC for inviting tens of thousands of illigals, screwing with our justice system, their countless scandals, influencing the RCMP, CRA, DND, CBSA, and call out the MSM for giving them a pass while pushing a nation destroying leftist agenda!
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Laine Smith: Me Too
Kimmy Smith It means Andrew Scheer is in trouble. This guy is gonna snag 5% at least of his lunch.
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Kimmy Smith: Methinks Scheer may lose 20% of his dinner too N'esy Pas?
Sue Dow This should spice things up a bit.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Sue Dow: Welcome to the Circus
David Raymond Amos Surprise Surprise Surprise
Keith Rodgers Good for the Cons, I think Quebec is going to like Bernier....He will get Con Votes, Bloc Votes and Undecided Liberal Votes...
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @keith rodgers: I concur
Mark Williams Apparently Trudeau bought Goldy some drinks in an Ottawa bar.
Headline to article,
How Faith Goldy became the most dangerous woman not on the campaign trail
Kyle Billing
Reply to @mark williams: Nice billboard you have given her, not.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @mark williams: Too Too Funny If True
Don Pooley
Reply to @mark williams: The article warns this could blow up in Scheer's face, but by all means keep her in the conversation.
Mark Williams
Reply to @mark williams: Also, how about looking to this CBC and doing a fact check?
$1.5 Billion?
Mark Williams
Reply to @Don Pooley: Let the chips fall where they may, a fact will clear it up.
I'm all for one, how about you?
Mark Williams
Reply to @David Raymond Amos:
"Too Too Funny If True"
That'll completely unhinge them if it is. :)
CBC has the reasonability to fact check this because they have made her an issue in relation to Scheer.
Let's see if they'll do their job.
Mark Williams
Reply to @mark williams:
responsibility
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @mark williams: Methinks if folks wish to do a simple fact check just Google my name and that of Maxime Bernier or Justin Trudeau or a legion of others N'esy Pas?
Kevin Delaney Max is not likely to impact the committed voters of the Liberals, Greens or NDP. Max will impact the Conservatives. Andy was hard pressed by Max. Andy is going to get the vast majority of any downside here re loss of support.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Kevin Delaney: Methinks you forgot the Bloc N'esy Pas?
Bernier's in — and the federal election debates just got less predictable
In such a tight race, Bernier's sudden elevation to the big stage will change the debate dynamic
People's Party of Canada leader Maxime Bernier has been invited to participate in two upcoming official federal election debates. (Justin Tang/Canadian Press)
The stage is set for Maxime Bernier. His challenge now is to perform.
The leader of the nascent People's Party of Canada (PPC) yesterday got his coveted invitation to take part in the two televised debates organized by the independent Leaders' Debate Commission. The debates — one in English and the other in French — will be held on Oct. 7 and Oct 10.
The invitation extended by debates Commissioner David Johnston reverses a preliminary ruling last month that found Bernier didn't meet two of the commission's three criteria to qualify.
Johnston's initial conclusion was that, according to polling data current at the time, the PPC didn't have a "legitimate chance" to win more than one seat. He gave the PPC time to submit more material to change his mind.
And now Johnston has — by citing polling data from four ridings the PPC itself had identified as winnable and by factoring in what Johnston called the "recent political context" that included the party's membership and fundraising activity.
So Bernier's in. What does that mean for him, his party and the debates themselves?
For Bernier, the benefits are obvious. Johnston's conclusion that his party has a real chance of winning more than one seat confers a new level of legitimacy on the PPC and its core messages.
The outlier candidate
"Canadians will be able to look at all the options," Bernier said after the decision was released Monday. "I can tell you that the People's Party is a real, national party with serious reforms that need to be done for a freer and more prosperous country."
The debates give Bernier a national stage upon which to promote his ideas — many of which are at direct odds with those of the other parties, and some of which challenge some of this country's long-standing policies in support of an egalitarian and open society.
Bernier has vowed to defend what he calls a "Canadian identity" by limiting immigration and requiring those who come to this country to first pass a 'values' test. He also would do away with official multiculturalism.
Bernier is alone among federal party leaders in saying he would eliminate all government subsidies to industry and kill supply management.
And the PPC rejects the scientific consensus that human activity is the principal cause of global warming. Its platform promises to withdraw from the Paris climate accord, scrap any price on carbon and withdraw subsidies for green technology.
"Despite what global warming propaganda claims, carbon dioxide is not a pollutant," the party's platform says. "It is an essential ingredient for life on earth and needed for plant growth."
A bigger target
Taking part in the debate vastly improves Bernier's chances of contrasting these views with those of the other leaders before a large Canadian audience. But it also will make him a bigger target for the other leaders' attacks. Neither the NDP nor the Conservatives wanted Bernier in the debates. They still don't.
"Mr. Bernier's conduct risks bringing the debates into disrepute," the NDP wrote in a letter to Johnston. "He has eagerly courted outright racists for his new party … His willingness to accept the support of openly bigoted activists is matched by an eagerness to mislead and misinform the public."
The Conservatives made their own submission to the election debates commission (cited by Johnston in his decision) pointing out that the last time a party won a seat with less than three per cent of the national vote was in 1949. The CBC Poll Tracker estimates PPC support nationally at 2.9 per cent.
The Liberals put out a statement saying simply that the party accepts Johnston's decision.
Bernier's presence will change the dynamic on stage, said long-time Conservative strategist Jason Lietaer. More leaders on stage could mean fewer opportunities for the kind of one-on-one exchanges that defined the 1984 and 1988 elections — when Conservative Leader Brian Mulroney and Liberal Leader John Turner engaged in spirited exchanges over free trade and the GST.
For the frontrunners, a new distraction
"Tactically speaking, adding a [sixth] voice to these debates means less time for a bunfight between the frontrunners," Lietaer said. "It will make harder for anyone to score points."
Lietaer and other strategists said they expect Bernier to focus most of his energy and time on painting Justin Trudeau and Andrew Scheer as two peas in the same pod.
Bernier regularly vows through his Twitter feed that a PPC government would eliminate the deficit in two years — three years faster than Scheer is promising to do — through cuts to foreign aid, corporate welfare and funding for the CBC.
"It will make Scheer's job more difficult. He will now have to parry attacks from both the left and the right," Lietaer said. "I expect Bernier to go after both. He'll make the argument that Trudeau has failed and Scheer would be no better."
So Bernier has his stage. He has a role. The only thing that's not set is the script. Will he be a bit player, or will he be cast as the villain? If the other leaders have their way, we can expect a little bit of both.
Chris Hall is the CBC's National Affairs Editor and host of The House on CBC Radio, based in the Parliamentary Bureau in Ottawa. He began his reporting career with the Ottawa Citizen, before moving to CBC Radio in 1992, where he worked as a national radio reporter in Toronto, Halifax and St. John's. He returned to Ottawa and the Hill in 1998.
Maxime Bernier (right), a 42-year-old delivery man from Lac Saint-Jean, is running in the same riding as PPC leader Maxime Bernier. (Rhinoceros Party)
The Rhinoceros Party is hoping name recognition will give their newest candidate a leg up in the Beauce region, or at the very least sow confusion.
The party has nominated a candidate named Maxime Bernier where the leader of the People's Party of Canada, who has the same name, is also running.
In an interview with CBC News, Bernier said he was approached by members of the satirical party on Facebook and asked if he wanted to run.
Although he's never met the PPC leader, he said it was impossible to avoid the association.
"For the last 20 years, I'd say my name, and I'd hear exactly what Maxime Bernier was doing," he said, adding that people would often joke about how they have the same name.
"This is like, we'll switch the roles. And we'll see if people like me more than him!" he said.
"It's like a payback, but without any bad [intentions]."
Despite the tongue-in-cheek reason he was approached, Bernier said he's serious about running a campaign.
"They asked me at the beginning if I could be just a name," he said. "And I refused that. If I'm doing to do it, I do it all, or I'm not doing it at all."
People's Party of Canada Leader Maxime Bernier is running in Beauce again in 2019. (Graham Hughes/The Canadian Press)
The 42-year-old from Lac Saint-Jean, who works in the delivery sector, said he plans on focusing on local issues that concern the Beauce, instead of national issues.
"Maxime Bernier thinks it's a bigger concern to fight with a little 16-year-old girl… and tell everybody that [climate change] is not happening, that it's just a story to scare kids, instead of taking care of the people that are supposed to vote for him," he said, referring to Bernier's comments about teenaged climate activist, Greta Thunberg.
"The way he's thinking, I really think it's from another century."
He said that his campaign would focus on the needs of people in Beauce, especially those in the agricultural and dairy sectors, "because they're the ones that elect me."
"I'm not going to try to win Ontario because I want to be the chief of a party," he said.
In a statement to Radio-Canada, the PPC said it was "a good joke" but that they were "confident that the people of Beauce will vote for the Maxime Bernier they know, and not the one imported from Lac Saint-Jean."
As for the Rhino candidate, he said that if anyone is confused, they can refer back to his slogan. "If you're not sure, then vote for both!"
David Raymond Amos@DavidRayAmos Replying to @DavidRayAmos@alllibertynews and 49 others Methinks Maxime Bernier is in Fredericton he would be wise go to Federal Court and pull my file ASAP if only to find a copy of the letter and documents I sent him in 2006 N'esy Pas?
Bernier talks controversial party values on NB campaign stop
People’s Party of Canada leader discusses immigration, climate change
CBC News·
People's Party of Canada Leader Maxime Bernier is campaigning across New Brunswick this week. (CBC)
"If you have a bigger ratio of economic immigrants with fewer immigrants globally, you're able to serve the economic needs of your province," he said.
"The goal of our immigration policy must be to fill the economic needs in this country."
That means accepting fewer refugees and clamping down on migrants crossing the border at unauthorized points, he said.
'There is no climate emergency'
Bernier, who visited Saint John on Monday, was scheduled to attend a candidate announcement Tuesday evening in Fredericton.
The capital city is among the communities along the St. John River that experienced historic spring flooding in recent years — flooding that many experts link to climate change. Bernier, however, said the flooding is just a natural occurrence.
He was asked what he would say to New Brunswick residents and officials suffering from repeated flooding who believe climate change is a factor.
"We have hurricanes, we have flooding, we have that. It's part of nature, you know," he said. "We can do what we can about it, but I don't want us to impose a carbon tax and more regulation and change our way of living.
"We must not panic. There is no climate emergency."
Bernier's party plans to get rid of the carbon tax, citing an increased cost for business and the threat of job losses. Instead, the party plans to allow provinces to reduce emissions through their own programs "if they want to."
The leader will make stops in Miramichi, Moncton and Shediac on Wednesday.
The People's Party of Canada has candidates in eight of New Brunswick's 10 ridings, with openings in Acadie-Bathurst and Madawaska-Restigouche.
According to the CBC Poll Tracker,the party sits fifth at 2.6 per cent.
Bernier talks controversial party values on NB campaign stop
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David Raymond Amos
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Even when he is in my neighbourhood the lawyer Maxy Baby don't call and don't write Methinks he don't like me N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos Methinks everybody knows why I look forward to debating the member of the People's Party of Canada who plans to run in Fundy Royal N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos Methinks it not rocket science to Google his name and mine N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos Methinks while the political lawyer Maxime Bernier is in Fredericton he would be wise go to Federal Court and pull my file ASAP if only to find a copy of the letter and documents I sent him in 2006 N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Methinks Amos is gonna get crushed in yet another election nestle tea?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks you don't have the cajones to put your name on the ballot in Fundy Royal and debate in front of a few crowds filled with my kind of folks N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: I don’t believe in wasting the voters time, or the edits, or the elections NB, if I don’t have a fair shot of winning, I believe in freeing up the time and effort for those who could win.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: I truly believe that even you don't believe one word you say. Methinks the many down votes against you often prove that many other folks think the same of you N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton Reply to @David Raymond Amos: I believe every word I type.
I’m proud not to be a drone of society. I wear the down votes as success in my points. Thst just because the masses think something doesn’t necessarily make it right,
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Johnny Horton: The masses used to think burning witches and slavery were acceptable and the norm.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Only because they were told to by folks who should have known better.
Marguerite Deschamps Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Methinks, therefore I am, n'est-ce pas?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: C'est Vrai
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Methinks you know the motto of my Clan N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps Reply to @David Raymond Amos: watching you debate Mad Max would be most entertaining, no doubt; just like watching mud wrestling!
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: I have no clue about your clan.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you SANB dudes have made that fact abundantly clear over the years N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: 'I have no clue about your clan" The Motto is Veritas Vincit
Trust that you and your SANB cohorts will get an honourable mention during a debate or two in Fundy Royal Perhaps in the Chiac lingo
Mac Isaac I was one of those who, for the simple reason that he was the best candidate for the leadership of the Cons when he lost; not because he wasn't the best candidate, but because of behind-the-scene machinations of those who believed A.B.B. (anybody but Bernier). Instead the Cons got a milquetoast excuse for a leader instead of someone who had challenging views. Do I personally believe in or support those views? No, I emphatically do not, but I also believe they are more closely aligned with actual conservative values than what Andrew Scheer espouses. It's unfortunate that M. Bernier will likely not be able to test the viability of his ideas and policies because of backroom deals a la the stab in the back the Progressive Conservative Party received courtesy of one Peter McKay!
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Mac Isaac: Whereas you are so knowledgeable about the backroom deals I bet you know that my brother in law's law firm partner as VP of the PC Party for the Maritimes assisted Peter MacKay in going back on his word to David Orchard and merging with Harper's party in 2003 before I ran in the election of the 38th Parliament Correct?
Chantal LeBouthi Lol that guy is so full of it
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: YUP
Linda Ward Canada is up there among the best very best countries on earth. The Danish pay 50%+ tax for fabulous education, all levels free. Finland has the best overall public education globally. Sweden & Norway are socially & environmentally progressive. Canada is a wealthy nation, we can afford to always do the right thing.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Linda Ward: You say that so easily However not everybody in Canada is wealthy. Methinks charity begins at home N'esy Pas?
Eugene Peabody With views like his I am thankful he only has a 2 per cent following!
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Eugene Peabody: Say hey to Mr Prime Minister Trudeau the Younger and his many minions for me will ya?
Terry Tibbs Reply to @Eugene Peabody: And here I *thought* you were a kinda pro common sense kind of guy? Mr Bernier comes to NB, talks about the folly of 2 closely related things, and you don't like that? You don't see we are being sold a conflicting bill of goods? If we are in a "climate emergency" what sense does it make to import folks with a very small carbon footprint to a place where their carbon footprint will grow at least 100X?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Good Point
Terry Tibbs Reply to @David Raymond Amos: I'm simply wondering how you can do both without holding your nose and keeping a straight face?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Are you challenging my integrity?
Terry Tibbs Reply to @David Raymond Amos:
POOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Raymond Amos:
No David, only the integrity of those who try to sell conflicting realities as a truth.
Why do young people all seem to leave NB? For the BIG wages in Alberta. Why are the wages BIG in Alberta? Supply and demand. What happens when you flood a labor market with workers? The demand diminishes and wages drop. What does immigration do to the labor market?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Ask your lawyer
Jim Cyr This is an old, old trick: the media labels something that it ideologically disagrees with “controversial”. Question: have the Liberals, NDP or Greens ever espoused even ONE position that was even slightly “controversial”?? Of course not. And we know why that is, don’t we gang???........
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Jim Cyr: Methinks it par for the course in the wicked game N'esy Pas?
John Holmes
Reply to @Jim Cyr: There is no "ideological" disagreement with Climate Change. It's not an ideology, it's fact that is supported by reams of hard science done by an overwhelming number of Scientists around the globe.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @John Holmes: Methinks nobody is disputing the change in the weather What is in dispute is the cause of it. Furthermore many folks agree with me and Max in that no amount of taxation is gonna fix it N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs Reply to @John Holmes: The *problem* I have John is: science is being sold by politicians as an "absolute", when in fact there is nothing further from the truth, and then those same politicians weaponize the science by extorting money in the name of science. Pretty soon "science" will become a very dirty word.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I Wholeheartedly Agree Sir
JJ Carrier Vote for Maxime Bernier...of the Rhinos...This Maxime Bernier could be the worst federal leader of the modern era...
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @JJ Carrier: Some journalist you are
John Pokiok whats the point Trudeau can send you all 350 000 of them every year none of them would stay here more than a year
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @John Pokiok: Whats your point?
Roy Kirk His neoliberal positions and policies would ruin this country for the vast majority of citizens if he ever comes to power.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Roy Kirk: Yea it would. People would actually need to work again in this country under s bernier government. Less handouts and less foreign workers to do the jobs needed.
So yes, he’ll never get elected.
Robby Kingstown
Reply to @Roy Kirk: He's closer to libertarian. The Grits and Tories are neoliberal, brokerage parties.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @robby kingstown:
Not really. Bernier believes in strong government that controls the people, and who those peole are, furthest thing from a libertarian.
Robby Kingstown
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Bahahaha Read the platform; it's all about decentralising the federal government and respecting provincial jurisdiction. That's why the other parties can't stand it. There's too much power in the PMO. We both know that. So does Bernier.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @robby kingstown: True
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @robby kingstown: However everybody knows how I proved that he was just another crooked lawyer in in 2006
Johnny Horton
Reply to @robby kingstown: Sure but just shifting control fro. Federal to provincial, is NOT libertarian.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks you just proved that you don't know much N'esy Pas?
Johnny Horton Reply to @David Raymond Amos: You do realize that there are as many libertarians thst are far left as there are that are far right?
There are many different approaches to less government control of one’s life. It’s all about individual freedoms and thus qqequality.
David Raymond Amos
Content disabled Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks everybody knows that it is impossible for a shill of the Irving Clan to know anything about individual freedom as you are bought and sold in the marketplace everyday because of your own greed for more more more just like the rest of the herd in Peoplekind N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Too bad so sad my reply to an Irving Shill went "Poof"
Trudeau promises more financial supports for seniors — but no independent accounting
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Dennis Montana This is how it's going to work....he will implement it in 2024 and phase it in over the next 5 years so you will re-elect him....so if in 2024 you're 75 you will die before you get the extra $50 a month he's promised you! Just look at the new and improved CPP benefits? It only benefits future generations not those who are retiring in the next 3-5 yrs.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Dennis Montana: BINGO
David Raymond Amos Methinks while Trudeau the Younger was in Fat Fred City this week I bet many senior local political pundits must have recalled my conversation Steve Murphy on live CTV News as I was running for the seat in the 39th Parliament in the very snobby town where I went to High School over 50 years ago Anyone can Google the following to review N'esy Pas?
David Amos Youtube Me Myself and I
David Raymond Amos
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Methinks Mr Butts should stop advising his buddy on how to buy an election with our money and finally quit politicking N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos
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Methinks after all the news today I would not be a bit surprised to hear Mr Butts claim that it was all his fault that Trudeau didn't fess up earlier then fall on his own sword again in order to save his buddy from further embarrassment N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos Methinks the news today has informed us that Mr Prime Minister Trudeau The Younger has had his last sunny day in Fat Fred City I suspect he will lose most of the seats down here in a few weeks No matter how much he promises the seniors most of them are Conservatives and no doubt they have had enough of his BS N'esy Pas?
Grace Guanyin
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: You are an independent from Fundy Royal who doesn't even register on the ticket. http://338canada.com/districts/13004e.htm I don't see anyone supporting you. No, you are not running against anyone. No one will waste their time with your class act.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Grace Guanyin: So You Say
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Grace Guanyin: Methinks I heard the same thing when Harper was the boss four long years ago N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Grace Guanyin: Methinks it rather comical that everybody but you knows that if the NDP and the Rhino Party dudes turn up there will be at least 8 names on the ballot in Fundy Royal N'esy Pas?
Dennis Montana Reply to @David Raymond AmosThis seems to be Trudeau's election platform....blue box promises....recycled promises....he has done nothing for the middle class....what did I get ?? A 17% tax on my natural gas bill so I can stay warm in the winter!
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Dennis Montana: Exactly
Rest assured that I will be telling them off once again in every debate I am invited to
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Candidate Name: David Amos Nomination status: Confirmed Political Affiliation: Indépendant(e)│Independent Electoral District: Fundy Royal (13004)
Karl Bueckert This is a lot more than we'll get out of Scheer. When it comes to the senior population and especially the poorest population, service workers whether provincial or federal do not lay out all of the benefits these people are entitlement to and benefits only start on the day of application. These changes to financial support are long overdue and necessary but I also recognize that these service agencies are not being transparent enough. Harper used this strategy to pretend to giveth but then taketh away or make it so that the allotted funds are not accessible because they narrowed the field of who was eligible. These service agencies are often running with the Harper mindset and this needs to change! There should be a clear set of benefits available online or posted on the walls of service centers so that those who are seniors and the poorest of our nation can see what applies to them. The secrecy of the Harper years needs more flushing! The overall rates of OAS and CPP start off too low. A drastic overhaul makes more sense but this is a good start. There are 2.7 million Canadians over the age of 75 that will benefit and 6.1 million Canadians between 60 and 75 that need more support as well.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Karl Bueckert: Methinks you have partaken of too much red kool aid Its fairly obvious thatr the liberal are trying buy the old folks vote and I happen to be one of them who is running against him again N'esy Pas?
Allan Baker
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Pretender!
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Allan Baker: Google Fundy Royal Debate and you will be suitably embarrassed
Allan Baker
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Who cares!
David Raymond Amos Methinks Mr Prime Minister Trudeau the Younger should explain to me real slow why I had to promise to sue his minions before they finally gave up the money I am entitled to just like every other Senior Canadian Citizen is N'esy Pas?
Karl Buecker
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Every government has the same problem. The government does not use insurance ...they just say no until you sue. I disagree with it but it not Trudeau...its the administration of every gov we have ever had. You will have better luck moving a change proposal thru the Liberals than the Conservatives. You have to learn the system to outsmart the bureaucracy. It can be done.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Karl Bueckert: Do you have any idea who I am?
David Evans
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: A P.O.S!
Allan Baker
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Looks like you are a nobody!
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @David Evans: I haved no idea what that means but I suspect that it ain't a nice reply
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Allan Baker: I am more of a man than you dudes in peoplekind are
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Why is there a petition to have you thrown out of Canada?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Grace Guanyin: Methinks you should ask the RCMP why I mentioned it in my lawsuit N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Grace Guanyin: In case all the political pundits forgot the docket number is T-1557-15 it was filed in Federal Court in Fredericton during the last election Correct?
Peter Stanley
If he was really serious about helping seniors it would be implemented at 65 not 75 really doesn't help much - average life span in Canada is 82 - he cheaped out again and most seniors will not get this - another lame promise that doesn't help much
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Cassie Foster
Reply to @Peter Stanley: It targets the seniors who need it the most.
Peter Stanley
Reply to @Cassie Foster: Really so age has something to do with needing more? There are plenty of seniors 65 yrs old who need some real help and did not get any.
Karl Bueckert
Reply to @Peter Stanley: The problem lies in the service agencies who will not go out of their way to help you source benefits you might be entitled to.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Karl Bueckert: Methinks that is par for the course for all the lazy unionized bureaucrats supported by the NDP as they look forward to enjoying their secure lucrative pension plans in their old age N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos Reply to @Peter Stanley: Methinks everybody In Trudeau's cabinet knows that I had to threaten to sue the government in order get my entitlements as a senior Canadian Citizen who is now running for public for the 7th time because all of our pension investments are overseen by the very corrupt Yankee SEC N'esy Pas?
Bernie McCann -- Percentage Increases -- Increases calculated on a percentage basis are totally unfair. A 50% increase on an $100,000.00 income would (obviously) be $50,000.00. But a 50% increase on a $25,000.00 income would be $12,500.00. Why should the, already, too rich need a cost of living increase calculated on a percentage basis ? The cost of their milk and bread is identical to that for the poor. Thus, the income difference between the rich and poor continually increases ... and nobody notices !
Cassie Foster
Reply to @Bernie McCann: High income earners must contend with OAS recovery tax or “clawback” making your comment mute!
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Bernie McCann: True
Pat Graham
I get a kick out of the fact that this will only be available to those 75 and up. i am 68 and after working for 44 years and not earning enough to put aside for a private pension i only qualify for basic pension and supplement. It is only enough to provide for basics and not for repairs if you own your own home. I have supplemented with my line of credit and struggle to pay it back.I live in the country and my telephone bill this month was 183.87 for one fixed line and the slowest so called high speed internet. Bell is my only option where i live.There are many more of us below 75 than over 75 trying to make a go of it and failing.
Cassie Foster
Reply to @pat graham: I totally agree and for all the years you worked, there should be more return on your contributions. I am going to guess you don't have a cellphone because of lack of cell service. You can add an adapter to your computer and run your phone thru your computer. The initial set up is about 110 or so and no more payments ...not even annually but if power goes out or your internet goes out, you lose phone service. Rural areas have limited assess to competitive options. I suggest to talk to others in your age group and talk about pensions and gov benefits. If you are missing out on a program or benefit, service centres will not go out of their way to let you know. That is wrong! Without knowing all the options available to you, some miss out on benefits and financial support they qualify for. I suggest to go to a Liberal Town Hall meeting in your area and voice your opinion...it is valid and common. Over 9 million Canadians are over the age of 60. And in 10 year, if we do not add to our population, Canada's population and economy could shrink significantly. What I am trying to say is that there are many who walk in your shoes...you need to connect with them.
Bernie McCann
Reply to @Cassie Foster: -- "And in 10 year, if we do not add to our population, Canada's population and economy could shrink significantly." Obviously, without showing controversial details, Canada's population is, and will, increase.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Cassie Foster: Methinks Mr Prime Minister Trudeau The Younger and most of my political foes know that I had already done everything you suggested LONG BEFORE i could collect one thin dime of my CPP and OAS N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Bernie McCann: Methinks many Baby Boomers such as I believe the liberal lady doth protest too much N'esy Pas?
David Evans
I find is most interesting and amusing that Mulroney supports Trudeau and not Scheer!
Grace Guanyin
Reply to @David Evans: I saw that and my jaw dropped.
Karl Bueckert
Reply to @David Evans: I would like to hear Mulroney tell us why he is against Scheer! He does owe Canada for creating the worse debt of all PM's!
My7mgt
Reply to @Karl Bueckert: Nope...that honor goes to PET
My7mgt
Reply to @David Evans: They are both part of the Laurentian elites
Cassie Foster
Reply to @my7mgt .: NOPE...conservatives are always in denial. The conservatives created 75% of Canada's debt. You need a history lesson. Mulroney inherited 200 Billion and turned it into 514 Billion. He, like every conservative gov, Mulroney also sold off Billions in crows assets and the revenues lost from those assets are Billions every year.
Anne Bérubé
Reply to @Cassie Foster: And Trudeau has now given us a beautiful $14 Billion deficit. What is your excuse now?
Cassie Foster
Reply to @Anne Bérubé: That is pretty good compared to Harper, Mulroney and every other conservative gov. The conservatives gave Canada 75% of the debt. Why don't you read and learn instead of regurgitating conservative confabulations and outrage headlines!
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @David Evans: Me Too
David Raymond Amos
Content disabled Reply to @Cassie Foster: Methinks you should Google me sometime before you embarrass yourself further N'esy Pas?
Joyce Hope Shortell Trudeau & the other leaders all promising pie in the sky. Reality will set in when the looming recession sets in. Most promises will go up in smoke.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Joyce Hope Shortell: I Wholeheartedly Agree
John Valcourt A 10% increase at age 75. The prime minister should be ashamed of himself. That still puts them below the poverty level and far below the living wage that he preached about. With all the money that seniors have paid into the CPP and with the investing that was done, they should be getting around 3000 dollars a month. (math previously done and released in a report) However the government spent that money didn't they. When you give away more than you bring in the shortfall has to come from somewhere.
Cassie Foster
Reply to @John Valcourt: SH mini-me's plan would be to cause Harper Havock to elderly pocket books! I agree that seniors are not getting their fair payout!
John Playford
Reply to @John Valcourt: Nobody else is offering anything to seniors so never look a gift horse in the mouth !
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @John Valcourt: Methinks he knows no shame nor does he even care if you believe him or not N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @john playford: Methinks a wise man would certainly look and check all the teeth before he votes because his greed for a mere pittance if and when he turns 75 may do him in in higher taxes etc over the course of the next 4 years or so N'esy Pas?
Alfred Saville I think that one of the best things Trudeau did was improve the lot of the Indigenous/Aboriginal peoples. Harper's government totally ignored them and the veterans.
Bernie McCann
Reply to @alfred saville: -- Really ! P-p-p-lease !
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Bernie McCann: I second your remark
Cassie Foster I think this term around, Trudeau should give Alberta and the prairie followers the conservative platform they deserve!
Allan Baker
Reply to @Cassie Foster: Brilliant!
Brent Chambers
Reply to @Cassie Foster: Harper starved Liberal ridings of Federal support. He really was sickening! And Scheer, Ford, Kenney...they are all the same! Trudeau bent over backwards to be equal to all Canadians and Alberta and the prairies continue to bite their nose off to spite their face. But they will continue to be sold out by the cons they vote for!
Harold Wood
Reply to @Brent Chambers: trudeau bends backwards only to Quebec and UN interests. Canada is at the bottom of his interests until he comes sucking up for votes.
David Evans
Reply to @Harold Wood: What are they putting in the water in Alberta and prairies....too much gas sniffing!
John Playford
Reply to @David Evans: Alberta is the woe is me province !
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Cassie Foster: Methinks the ghost of Trudeau The Elder is no doubt very fond of you N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Allan Baker: Surely you jest
Karl Bueckert Bitter bots below! Canada is doing really well and that must burn Harper Scheer lovers but facts are facts and conservatives only have lies and an old platform that fails!
Anne Bérubé
Reply to @Karl Bueckert: So let's start comparing Chretien vs Trudeau now, shall we? You are doing that with Harper Scheer, but it is not working for you is it.
Cassie Foster
Reply to @Anne Bérubé: Chretien has to clean up Mulroney's mess! Trudeau had to clean up Harper's mess! There you go...done!
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Karl Bueckert: Methinks everybody knows that I am no bot N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Anne Bérubé: Methinks folks would enjoy reading the decision of the Federal Court of Appeal that I am about to put before the Supreme Court 3 Justices actually quoted from the cover letter I sent along with a pile of documents and a CD to two lawyers (Chretien and Mulroney) while Gomery was having his big Inquiry in 2004 N'esy Pas?
Google the following and you will find it
David Raymond Amos Mulroney me suing you and your little dogs too
Chris Rhynold As JT flies from coast to coast on the “ spread the cash tour “. Is anyone asking , where is the money coming from ?? And a side note , I see an awful lot of liberal campaign signs made of single use plastic .
Karl Bueckert
Reply to @Chris Rhynold: The signs are not single use...they are recycled. And the money is coming from corporate taxes and revenues from crown assets not yet sold off by conservatives to the lowest foreign bidder!
My7mgt
Reply to @Karl Bueckert: So you are stating the LPC is using the government coffers to support their election campaign? You better report that the Elections Canada
Cassie Foster
Reply to @my7mgt .: You lack comprehension skills...read a book. Too afraid to post your name?What are you hiding?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Cassie Foster: Methinks everybody knows my name is the same one that is often on the ballot in Fundy Royal N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Karl Bueckert: Welcome to the circus
Thomas Albrecht I can't figure out how taking money out of my pocket for the carbon tax then giving it back, minus the federal tax , will put more money in my pocket and have an impact on climate change....not everyone will get their money back as it is prorated on income....smoke and mirrors
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Thomas Albrecht: Also Methinks the odds aren't very good that most men live past 75 N'esy Pas?
Audrey Fryer Average annual pension for MP after 10 years service - $100,000.00; Average pension of Canadian after 50 years service - $7,200.00;
You better try and raise that 10% to at least 50%.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Audrey Fryer: I bet the MPs get many more raises to their pensions first
Mike Smith Is there anyone the liberals have not pledged to assist with money conjured up out of thin air? Oh yes, the people of Grassy Narrows, Canadian Military Veterans with disabilities and anyone west of Toronto.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Mike Smith: BINGO
Jack Thompson Trudeau up to his old tricks of making promises he can't and won't keep.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Jack Thompson: Methinks its par for the course BS got him elected last time Hence if it worked once it should work twice N'esy Pas?
Michael Flinn Liberals can empty the cupboard and promise anything they like - it won't make any difference.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @michael flinn: Methinks it ain't over til the fat lady sings in October N'esy Pas?
Flip Anderson "and lift 20,000 seniors out of poverty."
Sad part is that he had no problem leaving them in poverty for the last 4 years.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Flip Anderson: Oh So True
Terry R Avante In Oct 2015, Trudeau promised that he would provide costing analysis for each government bill. Promise broken. He has had four years to help seniors, veterans and young families. He had four years to address the cost of living that he caused. Canadians have seen nothing for the billions of new debt care of the Trudeau government.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Terry R Avante: YUP
Mike Smith JT's promises are worthless, more deficits here we come!!!
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Mike Smith: YUP
Phil Petersen More empty promises. Where are the calls for the Liberals to prove they can deliver?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Phil Petersen: All I hear is crickets on thia issue Methinks the media is more concerns about bad black makeup on Mr Dressup right now N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos Wow a $30 bi weekly increase in OAS at 75!!..better start saving your own money, don't depend on government, and don't listen to Trudeau.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Hal Bursey: Methinks this is just another liberal joke N'esy Pas?
Robert Campbell did trudeau actually answer any questions today. i heard harper 41 times.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Robert Campbell: Methinks he has answered lot of questions since the New York Times spilled the beans N'esy Pas?
Trudeau promises more financial supports for seniors — but no independent accounting
Justin Trudeau announces boost to Old Age Security, Canada Pension Plan programs
Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau talks to a voter in Kitchener, Ont., on Monday, Sept. 16, 2019. (Sean Kilpatrick/THE CANADIAN PRESS)
The Liberals are offering new financial supports for seniors — but no independent analysis of how much they would cost Canadians.
During a campaign event in Fredericton, Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau announced that a re-elected government led by him would provide a 10 per cent boost to Old Age Security (OAS) at age 75 and a 25 per cent increase to the Canada Pension Plan (CPP) for widows.
According to the Liberal Party, the OAS increase would give Canadians aged 75 and older an extra $729 each year and lift 20,000 seniors out of poverty.
The increase would take effect in July 2020 and would be indexed to keep up with inflation. The full value of the benefit would be received by every senior who makes less than $77,580 today.
Widows or widowers would receive up to $2,080 in additional benefits every year with the increased survivor's benefit under the CPP and Quebec Pension Plan (QPP).
Asked if Canadians would be required to pay higher premiums to pay for the increase, Trudeau did not provide a clear answer.
"That's a conversation that we're going to be having with the provinces," he said.
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Trudeau promises boost to CPP survivor's benefit
When asked if boosting CPP would require higher premiums, Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau says they would have to discuss it with the provinces. 0:58
Trudeau said losing a partner is one of the hardest things to endure, and this added support will help during the period of grief.
"Seniors have built the Canada that we know and love today. And they deserve to enjoy their golden years to the fullest," Trudeau said during a campaign event in Fredericton.
Dan Kelly, president and CEO of the Canadian Federation of Independent Business, warned that the boost in CPP could come at a big cost.
"CPP premiums are already set to rise by 20 per cent over the next few years. Canadians should be informed of the costs of the new Liberal Party promise to boost survivors' pensions. This could be a big one and cost jobs. Also, seven provinces would need to agree before it goes ahead," Kelly said in a statement to CBC.
One national seniors' advocacy group applauded the measures. The Canadian Association for Retired Persons (CARP) said a survey of its members found 64 per cent were worried about outliving their savings in retirement.
"Seniors poverty is a growing concern. The Liberals' proposed OAS increase would make a real difference to Canada's poorest seniors. And the proposed increase to the CPP survivor benefit is critically important to income security, especially for widowed women," CARP said in a statement.
According to background materials, the Liberal Party estimates the OAS increase would cost $1.63 billion in 2020-21, rising to $2.56 billion in 2023-24.
No independent costing
Costing analysis by the Parliamentary Budget Officer (PBO) was not provided.
Trudeau is facing criticism for not providing the independent analysis of Liberal platform commitments, as the Conservatives and NDP have been doing. Today, he said only some parts of the platform would be subjected to the PBO's scrutiny.
"We will be releasing a fully costed, fully responsible platform in the coming weeks, including all the work done by the Parliamentary Budget Officer on specific measures," he said.
The Liberals extended the mandate of the PBO to cost party platforms during election campaigns.
The Liberals made a campaign promise in 2015 to "help Canadians make informed decisions during elections" and give Canadians a "credible, non-partisan way to compare each party's fiscal plans." All requests for PBO cost analysis come from the parties, and the service is not mandatory.
Something to hide?
But Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer said Trudeau's decision not to release costing with each campaign commitment, as his party has done, shows he has something to hide.
"Obviously the Liberals have a terrible fiscal record that they are ashamed of," Scheer said during a campaign event in Hamilton, Ont. "I believe that's why they're not participating in the very process that they themselves set up."
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Scheer criticizes Liberals for not costing all promises with PB
Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer says the Liberals are 'ashamed' of their fiscal track record. 0:21
Asked if the volume of requests has caused any delay or backlog, Sloane Mask, PBO's director of parliamentary relations and planning, told CBC this week the PBO "is meeting the current demand" for requests. The timing of the release of platform costing is up to the parties, she said.
If the PBO is unable to complete a cost estimate, the request and the reason it could not be completed will be published on its website, Mask said.
Speaking about the new election costing mandate this spring, PBO Yves Giroux said the initiative will give political parties more certainty and boost their credibility.
"But the main advantage will be for Canadians. Canadians will have enhanced reassurance that there is a non-partisan and professional organization that provides cost estimates for political parties' engagements," he said.
'Pretty words'
The NDP criticized Trudeau's track record on seniors' issues, pointing to thousands of retirees whose pensions were cut due to a lack of protections after Sears Canada's bankruptcy, and those seniors now without dental care and prescription coverage.
"At election time, Justin Trudeau gives us some pretty words but then gives tax breaks to the rich instead of doing the right thing for people. We'll protect pensions and take action on prescription drugs and dental care. That's what seniors deserve," said a statement from the NDP.
The Conservatives said Liberal policies have made life less affordable for seniors, citing the carbon tax and the cancellation of the transit tax credit. Scheer is promising to help seniors by introducing a universal tax cut, cancelling the carbon tax and removing the GST from home heating.
"Justin Trudeau cannot be trusted to deliver for Canadian seniors. In 2015, Trudeau promised seniors he would create a seniors price index but he did nothing for four years and abandoned that plan. Now that he needs your vote, he's making even more promises that he won't keep," said a statement from the Conservative Party.
Release report into RCMP conduct during Rexton protests, says anti-shale gas group
RCMP vehicles burned, dozens arrested in October 2013 protests in Kent County
CBC News·
Vehicles were burned at the scene of a shale gas protest in Rexton six years. Anti-shale activists want the report into RCMP conduct during the violent clashes made public. (Courtesy of Gilles Boudreau)
Anti-shale gas activists are calling for the release of an independent investigation into RCMP action during violent protests in Rexton six years ago.
Dozens were arrested during months of protests near Elsipogtog First Nation that saw a blockade erected on Route 134 to stop gas exploration in the area.
In October 2013, RCMP officers used force to disperse protesters and six RCMP vehicles were burned during the clashes.
The independent Civilian Review and Complaints Commission investigated complaints about police conduct during the protests. Commissioners held public meetings in the Kent County area in 2015.
The New Brunswick Anti-Shale Gas Alliance says it has heard nothing from the commission since that time, and it's tired of waiting. It's calling on RCMP and government officials to release the commission's findings.
Alliance spokesperson Denise Melanson says it's important to know the truth.
Denise Melanson, a spokesperson for the New Brunswick Anti-Shale Gas Alliance, said the group is becoming impatient and wants to see the report. (Radio-Canada)
"What happened was so anti-democratic and, you know, when governments use force and the secret state to impose things on the public, we're not talking about a democracy anymore," Melanson said.
"This is really, really important. And it's not just that I need to prove that I was right about what happened. It's more that we really need to know that our government isn't behaving like this."
Report delivered to RCMP
In an email, a spokesperson for the commission confirmed the Rexton riot report was delivered to the RCMP last March.
When the RCMP commissioner's office reacts, the commission will prepare its final report, the spokesperson said.
The report contains testimony from 130 witnesses, 50,000 records and thousands of video files.
The evidence gathered is voluminous: 130 civilian witnesses were heard, 50,000 records and thousands of video files collected, which may explain why the investigation lasted so long.
The Council of Canadians is circulating a petition to ask Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale to release the report.
CBC News also contacted Public Safety Canada. The department referred the query back to the complaints commission.
Fred Brewer "When the RCMP commissioner's office reacts, the commission will prepare its final report, the spokesperson said." This makes me think that what they are really saying is that when the RCMP tells them what to say, then they will finish the report.
David Raymond Amos Methinks the RCMP and everybody else knows that Roger Richard and I have been beating on that drum for years N'esy Pas?
Nancy Alcox If you really want to know what’s going on in our country at protests like this one, read this book. You will be shocked or not..all of the information is documented.
Reply to @Nancy Alcox: Better yet go to Federal Court and pull my file
Shawn Tabor Most folks don’t know what happened there, and what the true motive was behind it. To funny. Whatever, LOL
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Shawn Tabor: You know I do and its not one bit funny
Chris Merriam
That was not a peaceful protest. It was a s#!@show. And I have no idea what makes anyone think that they have the right to shut down a highway...ever. The conflict went on for far too long. The rcmp should have gone in much sooner amd cleaned house. Full stop.
Chantal LeBouthi
Reply to @Chris Merriam: Do you live in that aria
Al Clark
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: You spelled area wrong (intentionally) Len..
Al Clark
Reply to @Chris Merriam: Yes, the RCMP were pathetic. They let them build a critical mass, praying it would go away. Then made a sad attempt when it was way too late. They were afraid of another ipperwash, but if they had acted in a timely manner nothing would have happened.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Al Clark: Pure D BS
Johnny Jakobs
Lol... can't be anything positive in that report.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs: Methinks everybody knows the lawyer who wrote the report was dismissed long ago N'esy Pas?
Buddy Best It would have to be white washed first. Who do they really work for? I used to have a lot of respect for law enforcement.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Buddy Best: Methinks folks truly care about police corruption should ask the RCMP why they picked a fight with me in 1982 AFTER they had hired me to testify as an expert in a Coroner's Inquiry N'esy Pas?
Wayne Mac Arthur It should be noted by the spokesperson that anarchy is also not seen to be a democratic expression.
Greg Thompson was appointed New Brunswick minister of intergovernmental affairs on Nov. 9, 2018, after winning the Saint Croix riding for the Progressive Conservatives. (CBC)
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The 130,000 barrel per day Co-Op oil refinery in Regina, Saskatchewan was billed $4.9 million in property taxes this year. That's a "per barrel" tax rate of $38, nearly double the rate Irving Oil pays on its refinery in Saint John. It's a comparison Irving executives did not share with MLAs at committee hearings last week. (CBC)
Saint John Liberal MLA Gerry Lowe holds a paper copy of the presentation Irving Oil made on property taxes to a legislature committee last week. The document excluded six western Canadian refineries when comparing "per barrel" property taxes. Including them would have shown Irving Oil's facility pays property taxes at a rate below the national average. (Robert Jones/CBC)
Maybe there is a reason not to refer. If everyone who wanted to see a specialist for issues that a GP can take care of then the waiting list to see specialists would double or triple.